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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

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By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.


Previous discussion

Question about the talk page thing notice at the top

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --ルレ 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — THE TROM — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --ルレ 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Date announced

See this! It's on September 12. tc²₆tc26 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree! *celebrates* Now, when's it coming out in America...? --ルレ 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
  • It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -Tyler53841 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --Evice 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews"

{{bulbanews|game}}--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Pedometer

Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P Mageslayer 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Two edit requests an admin never responded to

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --Evice 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links here; it should instead link here, as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --Evice 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC) [An admin took care of this. --Evice 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --Evice 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

  1. We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
  2. I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--ForceFire 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --Evice 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..Purimpopoie 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
They were in the original without being available in GS. --ルレ 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are not the National numbering. --Evice 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:

* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).- unsigned comment from Evice (talkcontribs)

Grammar fix

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus Event

Source

If you trade Arceus over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion Cynthia. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create newborn Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the three dragons, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, all level 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

050294 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. MaverickNate 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- 050294 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — THE TROM — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --((Marton imos)) 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer?

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --Dialgafan1 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

"Burned" Tower

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --ルレ 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--Shiningpikablu252 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. TTEchidna 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Put this image in please

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS.
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All I need to do now is to upload it here. Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--PsychicRider 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--PsychicRider 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. TTEchidna 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --((Marton imos)) 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I got a better image of it. It's here:
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Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

pokethlon

why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page

Pokéthlon--ForceFire 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Any admins here? Echo!

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to {{bulbanews|game}}- unsigned comment from Immewnity (talkcontribs)

I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--Midnight Blue 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
*coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —darklordtrom 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this trivia?

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--Pokéboy93 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Not realy. ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. TTEchidna 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering.

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--Pokéboy93 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ummmmmm....just a quick question.

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--Darknesslover5000 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  • headdesk* --Maxim 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--Tavisource 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--Darknesslover5000 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --ルレ 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--Darknesslover5000 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

They would all die from shock.--Pokéboy93 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--Darknesslover5000 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry too--Pokéboy93 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?

I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? Plasma 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There are pics of Arceus and Kecleon following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--PsychicRider 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the Walking Pokémon page. --ルレ 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--PsychicRider 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect PokéWalker name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). Capsule Computer 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[Derian]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Magnet Train

In the article Magnet Train, there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. Timmy Tim 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —darklordtrom 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. Professorsamueloak 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --Dialgafan1 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Its' in. —darklordtrom 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under Aesthetic Changes and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --Dialgafan1 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Done also. Didn't see that. —darklordtrom 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums yesterday. --((Marton imos)) 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -Tyler53841 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Forum for discusion. No more here please. —darklordtrom 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Kanto Pokemon Exclusions

Is there any evidence for that? --Maxim 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -Tyler53841 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --Maxim 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Have you also noticed on List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -Tyler53841 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --Maxim 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -Tyler53841 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, time-wise. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Apricorns

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. Dark Boye 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? Max King 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)