Talk:Obedience

Trainers getting the term

Doesn't this term also apply to Trainers as well? I have seen many times in the anime that certain Trainers don't listen to Ash (mostly the antagonistic ones such as the villainous teams and a few minor characters). PattyMan 19:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Uhh, are you being serious? It would be like saying that Oblivious is Ash's Ability.--電禅Den Zen 20:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am being serious about this. Some examples, Paul (prior to the sinnoh league) was told to stop being mean to Ash but he didn't care and continued IIRC. He also ignored Nurse Joy when she told him not to use Chimchar but did so anyway. Team Rocket were told to give Pikachu back to Ash but continued stealing him. PattyMan 20:34, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I still think this page should only be about the game mechanic. We don't list every human friendship or drink from anime and manga. Also, anybody who doesn't obey Ash wouldn't count since "Obedience, in human behavior, is a form of "social influence in which a person yields to explicit instructions or orders from an authority figure"".--電禅Den Zen 20:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting this cleared up. The obedience with the humans was somewhat similar to the Pokémon when it came to listening which was why I was wondering about it applying to humans as well. Lol on the part with Oblivious being Ash's Ability. PattyMan 20:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Obedience Check

In battles in which Exp. Points can be gained, if the Pokémon tries to attack, the Pokémon's 32-bit ID number, OT (Original Trainer) name, or both are different from those of the player, and its level is greater than the player's "badge level", then this process is followed to determine whether the attack can be used.

The badge level is determined based on the number of Badges the player has:

No badges: Badge level=10

Two or more badges: Badge level=30

Four or more badges: Badge level=50

Six or more badges: Badge level=70

Eight badges: No obedience check is done

A random number from 0 through 255 is generated, and A is set to ((Level of Pokémon)+(Badge level))*(Random number)/256.

If A is greater than or equal to the badge level, the Pokémon is disobedient. Otherwise, this process stops and the attack is used as usual.

If the Pokémon chose Rage for use, the effect of Rage is canceled.

If the attack is Snore or Sleep Talk while the Pokémon is asleep, display "X ignored orders while asleep!" and the attack is canceled.

Another random number from 0 through 255 is generated, and B is set to ((Level of Pokémon)+(Badge level))*(0~255)/256.

If B is less than the badge level, display the message "X ignored orders!" and the Pokémon uses a different move that can be chosen for use if possible. [If a different move is used this way, PP is spent for that different move instead of the move ordered, and the ordered move is still the last move chosen for use, but the different move can be the last move used as usual.]

If B is greater than or equal to the badge level, C is set to (Level of Pokémon)-(badge level), and R is set to a random number from 0 through 255.

If R is less than C and the Pokémon doesn't have Vital Spirit or Insomnia and Uproar is not in effect for a Pokémon in battle, display "X began to nap!" and the Pokémon falls asleep. (Not prevented by Safeguard, Substitute, Leaf Guard, or other effects that prevent the Pokémon from sleeping.)

Otherwise, if R minus C is less than C, display "X won't obey!" and the Pokémon deals confusion damage to itself.

Otherwise, display one of the following messages: "X won't obey!", "X turned away!", "X is loafing around!", "X pretended to not notice!".

No obedience check is done if the Pokémon is continuing to use Bide.

From [1]

Similarly with the other games not called BW if you check out the other links

Why not include these? Only that I don't want a block if I am wrong

--Daniel Howard Fernandez (talk) 16:08, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon World Tournament (and Battle Subway?)

I got the Team Plasma lvl 100 event Deoxys a couple of days ago, the same day I bought Pokemon White 2. When I started the game, Deoxys would never do what I told it to. Sometimes, though, it does actually listen to me. After hitting itself and falling asleep a couple of times first, that is. But when I entered the Pokemon World Tournament for the first time. It listened to me every single time, and won every battle in the competition. I don't believe it says anything about that... - unsigned comment from EpicSeaPancake (talk • contribs)

It's possible that Pokémon won't disobey you inside battle facilities (and possibly during link battles). Best way to test this: using a hacked Mew in the Battle Frontier in Emerald, because hacked Mew always disobey you in Gen III. --SnorlaxMonster 17:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Raising traded Pokémon?

If you obtain a Pokémon through trading, and then raise it yourself, will it start to disobey you if it gets past the threshhold level for disobedience? For example, if you obtain a level 1 Pokémon through trading, before you have any badges, and raise it to level 20, still without any badges, will it start to disobey you, or will it keep obeying because you raised it yourself?- unsigned comment from Bookwyrm1357 (talk • contribs)

If it's obtained from a trade, it will disobey you when it passes the threshholds. Berrenta (talk) 02:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Percentages...

What is the chance of one thing happening, over another? For example, in Gen IV, what is the chance of a Pokemon using a random move, and what is the percentage chance that it will nap instead? Is it completely random, or does it have something to do with the number of badges? Do we even KNOW the chances? --Phoenixon (talk) 18:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

You forgot something

You forgot to add Marble's Luxray in the Diamond and Pearl examples, as it clearly showed signs of disobedience. - unsigned comment from Esquilo30 (talk • contribs)

Reverse Mode

Would using moves outside of Shadow Rush Reverse Mode count as disobedience? Considering how the Pokémon's response is... there are also quotes for them as well, almost akin to not having enough Badges. ^ht14 21:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, no. The mechanics relating to each are quite different. But it is similar enough that it might warrant a small section for Reverse Mode with a main link, or else just a bullet point in a See also section. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

May and Mudkip

Should we mention May and Mudkip in the first episode of Advanced Generation series? This can be viewed as sign of disobedience or May only did not know how to use it due to not having experience of being a trainer?-- Posted by Robin MaximoRobin Maximo (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Napping when the Pokémon can't go to sleep

Will a Pokémon attempt to nap when it is prevented from going to sleep? Examples being while it has another status condition (including when using Snore/Sleep Talk), during an Uproar, while protected by Safeguard, if it has Vital Spirit/Insomnia, etc. This is also likely to differ between games, so if someone does test this, it would be important to specify which game it was in. --SnorlaxMonster 13:56, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look, another user has posted the mechanics for Generation IV above. Still, investigating other games would be interesting. --SnorlaxMonster 13:59, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Professor Kukui and the Sun and Moon Demo

I disagree on not being able to talk about what is mention in the demo on the article. To start with, it isn't datamined, so that is not a possible issue. Additionally, we have articles on or with Gen VII data from the demo, thus this should not be an issue. As for how to access it, you must talk to the Professor while he is in the Pokémon Center. If you select to send something, then the Professor's text box disappears and a warning comes up about the full package version and the full download version. If you select Greninja at the menu, then once again, the Professor's text box will disappear into a second warning to say that "this Pokémon will not listen to what you tell it until you have completed two grand trials in Pokémon Sun or Pokémon Moon" before a third notice comes up that there is no located Sun and Moon save data on the SD card. I think that it is fair to say that this should not be categorized as random NPC talk and more of a specific warning from the demo. --Super goku (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

It does belong. Feel free to add it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, guys. Unowninator (talk) 06:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)