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Should "Persian" in this article link to the general Pokémon page, or specifically Giovanni's Persian- unsigned comment from MTC (talkcontribs)

I'd say to the specific Persian. --BJG

But, the specific Persian is rarely seen or heard from... - 振霖T 06:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's still a specific Persian. I mean, sure there's not much we can say about it, but it's there as a symbol of power. Like Dr. Claw's cat. Or Dr. Evil's cat. --BGJ.

"Oily in the morning"? Wasn't it "Early in the morning" just in Meowth's accent?- unsigned comment from Blackjack Gabbiani (talkcontribs)

Mr. Meowth

I would like to call this one Mr. Meowth, since he's not just a pokemon, but a person.(Unsigned comment by User:RocketM)

As long as you accept that it is a fanon term, you can call Meowth whatever you want. --FabuVinny 11:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Article's name

With the recent changes to the Pokémon card article naming, the Team Rocket set's Meowth card will have the same name as this article. That isn't too good. -Happy Mask Man 03:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Info Tip

Meowth's body can withstand a certain amount of electricity without sustaining extreme damage because of the many times Pikachu used it's electric attack on him and the others

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Voice

If PUSA chose Bill Rogers to do Corphish why didn't they chose Rogers to do Meowth and Swellow I think Billy Beach was a bad idea for a replacement Livinlarge18 20:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Reigon and hometown

Hometown: Hollywood Region: California

This doesn't seem right, especially his reigon being California. I don't think there is a "California" in the pokemon world. User:GT4GTR 9:27am CST Australia, 20th Febuary 2008

Like hell it doesn't. I've made the necessary changes. --ニョロトノ666 23:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Remember EP070? "Don't think there's a California in Pokémon", uh huh. Okay, there's no China either, despite it being mentioned time after time. No South America. If there's no California, there's none of the other crap. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 00:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm missing the point. Are you saying that there is, in fact, a California in the Pokémon world? Or are you saying that that's crap and that I was correct in removing it? Sorry if I don't understand your reference to EP070, but I don't watch the anime. --ニョロトノ666 01:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Hollywood is an important place to Meowth, but according to the flashbacks in that episode, he was inspired to head off to Hollywood after seeing a movie. After all, the episode's dub title is Go West, Young Meowth! Simply put, my on this action: Right action, wrong reason. --Shiningpikablu252 03:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, where do you consider your hometown to be? Where you were born, or where you grew up? Meowth may not have been born in Hollywood, but he certainly learned to talk, read, walk... and so on there. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I would say that Hollywood was Meowth's hometown. --Theryguy512 13:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'll change the hometown back to Hollywood. However, should I list the region as California, The United States of America, or North America? --ニョロトノ666 21:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I would say California. --Theryguy512 21:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. --ニョロトノ666 22:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, but it still doesn't sound right. Not that i'd know cause i'm not American. GT4GTR

IDK if Meowth is from California. I thought he was living in a dance place in Kanto before he was taken by Jessie and James.491Shiny Lucario448 12:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

In one episode (mayby EP070) they say we're going to HOLLYWOOD <<Key word. IDK if they said California... CrystalLucario 12:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the only Hollywood of any significant meaning is the one in California. It's like when saying "Chicago", does anyone think I come from an asteroid? TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 01:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem, though, is that Hollywood, California, is several MILES away from Kanto (almost on the other side of the world, if we use real life terms), A ship taking them to it would be far TOO long (especially since they had to train for the Pokemon League, which was beginning in almost a month away from that episode.), they didn't mention taking an airliner at all (In fact, they seemed to take a van to it), and more importantly, I don't think Hollywood, California, the real one is... well... is almost a nuke zone (the buildings looked like they were attacked by the aliens from ID4. I mean, even the Hoovervilles seemed more lively than the Hollywood in that episode.). So it's more likely they meant a similar named town with similar filming industry than the ACTUAL Hollywood. Weedle Mchairybug 02:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Well until there's significant proof that it isn't intended to be the one in California, it should stay. TTEchidna 03:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, there is now. I just asked Dogasu, and he says that while it is based off of the one in California, it's NOT meant to be the same one as the one in California. He mentioned that the japanese name for Hollywood (as in, the one in California) is ハリウッド (Ha-ri-u-d-do), whileas the name of the town in the Japanese version of Go West, Young Meowth is ホリウッド (Ho-ri-u-d-do), similar to how the japanese name of Porta Vista was similar to Acupalco, but not quite the same. I've changed the article in relation to this new evidence. Weedle Mchairybug 14:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Fake out?

When did Meowth Use Fake out? User:ShinyMedicham

From the edit summary by Missingno. Master: EP178. Jessie ordered Meowth to do a "Scratch attack fake-out". Meowth didn't scratch, but it clapped its hands together, and Bulbasaur did flinch, which is what Fake Out does However, the move was only introduced in Generation III so this is doubtful. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 19:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Jessie may have meant "fake-out" in a more literal sense. - Cassius335 19:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hometown

His hometown is unknown. He grew in Hollywood, he wasn't born there. Watch the episode.Portuguese Old Man 15:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Costumes?

Should we mention how many costumes of Pokémon Meowth has masqueraded as? There's several if I recall... PDL 03:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Gender proof?

Is there any proof that Meowth is male? (Falling in love does not count) The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 02:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Umm...its voice, perhaps? Chocolate (Merry Christmas!) 02:30 12/20/2008
Voice means nothing, and it would mean nothing even if Maddie hadn't been transgender. In older times, women

were played by men in the theatre. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 02:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

If there isn't any evidence in the next few hours, I will change it to unknown until concrete proof comes through. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 15:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Falling in love doesn't count? Meowth has fallen in love with women (human and Pokémon) multiple times. You might as well say that Brock's gender is unknown. And that disregards the fact that Meowth is almost universally refered to as a "he" Aura-Knight 16:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Whos to say that Meowth Couldnt be a lesbian?DCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
No, love does not count. Brock's been confirmed, through dialogue, as male. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 16:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Watch any 10 episodes and I'd be willing to bet there's a certain pronoun used for Meowth at least once. Aura-Knight 16:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Is it in the original? The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 16:39, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Not the Dub. In japanese. You find it, then you can change itDCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
Why is this even coming up? Everyone know that Meowth is male, and the anime has made that no secret. I can understand doubting Pikachu but let's look at the facts:
  • A: Meowth has an undeniably male voice
  • B: Meowth has fallen in love with several females
  • C: Meowth has been refered to as male multiple times in the dub (I speak no Japanese and thus cannot vouch for the original)
  • D: Meowth, while having shown motherly affection for Togepi, has acted in a fairly typical way for a male, i.e. No dresses, perfume, etc

So Meowth is either male, or a female that is hiding it even from her best friends for more than 500 episodes? Maybe in other animes but not this one. - unsigned comment from Aura-Knight (talkcontribs)

Counters:
  • A: Again, men used to play women in the theatre.
  • B: So have women from many, popular media. I see no reason Pokémon is any different. They could make a character homoseual if they wanted.
  • C: The sub also said that Brock's mom is dead. (Alternatively) If you meet someone whose gender you aren't sure of, are you going to call them it?
  • D: Could be a tomboy. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 17:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Counter 2.0
  1. and? Its called sultry
  2. Lesbians exist in real life, why not in not real life. Ever seen sailor moon?
  3. No he hasnt. find me the clip and then i shall agree.
  4. You sexist bastard

DCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))

Is there any proof that it's FEMALE? No. Is there any proof that it's male? Yes. Tons of it. So it's male. TorchicBlaziken (talkedits) 17:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Show me your proof.DCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
I'm only saying one thing on this: please refrain from using language DCM, as it has caused unnecessary fights on the talk pages in the past. R.A. Hunter B. 18:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Im proving a point. Just because someone doesnt wear perfume doesnt mean they are a guyDCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
Still. All you needed to say was sexist. No more. We would've gotten what you meant. R.A. Hunter B. 18:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I speak my mind. cope. now back on yopic. you cannot say its male because it sounds like oneDCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))

Sorry for getting involved.

I have always thought of Meowth as a male, so I'll always think of that, even if Pokemon reveals it as a female. R.A. Hunter B. 18:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
As will I, but Bulbapedia does have policies. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 18:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
That's just one of the annoying things about the anime. They reference nearly all Pokémon as "it", even if everyone knows what gender they are. R.A. Hunter B. 18:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
No they dont. People just assumeDCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
What more proof do we need to confirm Meowth as male? We've had explicit confirmation over ten years in the dub and Japan has never shown any evidence to prove Meowth female. We can get somebody who speaks Japanese and watches the episodes regularly to come over and end this. Aura-Knight 18:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
What proof we need is for someone to outright say it. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 18:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
They reference Latios and Latias as it a few times if I'm not mistaken. R.A. Hunter B. 18:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I need someone actually saying Meowth is male or he when referring to meowth in the ACTUAL SERIES, not the bad $kids dub. They tend to add things they shouldntDCM((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))
Then the problem is that none of us understand the raw. Let's find someone who does. Everyone needs to chill too...this is getting way too heated. Aura-Knight 19:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Usually I'm on the side of openess, but this is just rediculous. The characters have referred to him as a he in the anime. And I believe he uses a Japanese pronoun for males if the dub is your issue. And I highly doubt the orignal version never mention Meowth's gender before. It's their, it's just a matter of finding it. --ケンジガール 22:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Kenji-girl, as that would mean that Dawn's Buneary, Ambipomb, various Pokémon of Ash's, and others could all be mistakes, and could very well be the opposite genders of what the dub says they are. R.A. Hunter B. 00:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
After combing through Pokémon Wiki article, it says nothing about Meowth's gender, only that he was in love with Meowzie.--RexRacer -talk 00:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I laughed at these rediculous debates on Meowth's gender, everyone knows he's male. I was just thinking before with the debate on Charizard, the way this site's going they might aswell change Meowth to unknown too. I thought that as a joke. (GT4GTR 11:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC))

Night Slash

I think that Meowth did use Night Slash on Barry's Empoleon in DP103. It looked nothing like any time it ever used Fury Swipes or Scratch. Meowth's claws glowed white when it used the attack, and if you'll remember Aiding the Enemy, Honchkrow's wings glowed white as it used the very attack Meowth is revealed to be learning. And even if it is just learning the move now, remember that James's Cacnea pulled off a successful Drain Punch while still in the process of learning the move. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 18:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

If you saw, and paid attention, to the episode at all, you'd know that the stance Meowth took was a pre-Night Slash use, which he failed to execution because he claimed to be still in the middle of perfecting it. He never actually used, or attempted, to use Night Slash against Empoleon. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 22:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

2 things

1: What if the anime confirms what Meowth's ability is? Where's that gonna fit in the infobox?

2: The article can be unprotected now. Missingno. Master says: The Celebi Glitch is real!(talk page) 11:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

We'll deal with that as it comes. Page is unprotected. Don't break it. —darklordtrom 11:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Character? and Official artwork(anime)?

In Jessie and James articles they have their official artwork at the top of their pages, and under the 'Character' section their is a current anime screenshot of them. Is it possible for some one to replace the current picture ontop to Meowth's official artwork, and either move the current picture up there down to the 'Character' section or add a newer picture if it's possible,--Thanks XXKojiMusaXX 22:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that because Jessie and James have appeared in the main series games, being a boss in Pokémon Yellow, their Official Art takes priority. While Meowth hasn't really appeared in the games, and all appearences in other media is based on the anime, so Anime "art" (screenshots) take priority over official art.
This appears to be the rule for other characters as well. Brock has his official Art as the Pewter Gym Leader, while someone like Gary has anime art, having not really appeared in the games. If you want to know the Official policy you should check with an admin though. Werdnae (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I'm still pretty new here so, I don't really know how to do anything yet. XXKojiMusaXX 21:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Episode Count

Pikachu has been in every episode except the special episodes (Pokemon Chronicles), but Meowth does. Since Meowth appeared in the second episode, would his inclusions to the chronicles episode make his appearances in the anime be more than Ash's Pikachu, or tie, or am I forgetting Meowth wasn't in a few episodes after EP002? --Dman dustin 23:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Meowth's Ability=

Meowth isn't picking up things--though he hasn't win any battle--expect for that cheating on Brock's Onix for the right to Togepi. I am assuming Meowth's ability is Technician--as he is usually on that made the gadgets and mecha for his care-takers, Jessie and James.- unsigned comment from Thinksan (talkcontribs)

Speculation. Don't add that unless it'll be said specifically in the anime. The anime and the games work very differently. --electAbuzzzz 17:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, and besides which, seeing how his throwing a bucket of water technically wasn't against the rules (as it was never stated in the rules whether or not to use items in the battlefield) and therefore, technically not cheating, he still was allowed to pass for the next round. Weedle Mchairybug 18:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete

Now that I've added a (teeny, tiny) "in the manga" section, does this still need the "incomplete" tag? ZestyCactus 03:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not much. CuboneKing 03:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
If it has an "incomplete" section, it is incomplete. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't help but notice...

Why doesn't Meowth have the Pokémon infobox? He's a Pokémon. Not a human. --ケンジガール 08:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I think he should have the character infobox because he's major enough for it. That, and he acts like a human, unlike Pikachu... CuboneKing (Planet CuboneBone Club) 21:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
This infobox looks better though. I think it should stay like that until a solution is found. --ケンジガール 21:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Tickle

Meowth uses a "tickle attack", which I assume is like Tickle, but he uses it in EP104 to help Pikachu defeat a Rhydon. Tickle's not introduced until Gen III, so I doubt we can add it to his move list. Should it be put in Trivia, or is it not important enough? - unsigned comment from Jazzmoth (talkcontribs)

Tickling =/= Tickle the attack. That was during Generation I and the move did not exist until Generation II. --ケンジガール 21:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • In the English dub, Meowth actually shouts 'Tickle Attack!' as he does it, so in a way he is actually using a move even if it's not (or, wasn't at the time) an in-game move (Pikachu has many moves that are not in game).

Incomplete?

Is this really incomplete? Maybe Electric Tale section, but not whole article.--でんのう Zえんし 13:23, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Team Member

i don't know if you have already talked about this....but i think meowth should be counted as a team member. He is doesn't really have a trainer and in training daze they say he is a new member of the team.Angel10698 18:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

He IS counted as a member. He's in the Team Rocket member template and it says right at the top of his page.--Pokélova! 19:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry. this question isn't phrased then way i wanted it to be. Partner. Would you count him as a partner? Angel10698 23:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)