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Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number/Archive 1

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Motion to change the type images back into words. Two reasons: one, it can't be searched or sorted properly, two, it doesn't add anything, and if anything is worse - images don't scale, so that's bad for people who need large fonts to read comfortably, these images aren't particularly high contrast, and, screen readers (i.e. programs that read what's on screen) can't read images. - 振霖T 17:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

True. It wouldn't be too hard to change them back, it's just a simple find/replace of all instances of [[Image: and IC.gif]], then changing them to be {{t| and }}, respectively. Perhaps we could instead use the type icons in the evolution infoboxes? --TTEchidna 10:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
So we're doing it? 'Cause I can use Word to do that in five seconds flat, preview it, then fix any bugs. Gligar 21:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Word F's up the apostrophes to bolden and italicize. Use Notepad. Anyway, we're not quite ready to do this yet. TTEchidna 22:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Notepad it is next time. So was Sinnoh Dex's page always like it is now, or did someone change it? If so, how did they do it? Manually? Gligar 20:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, and what about Hoenn, Johto, Fiore, and Almia? Gligar 20:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I changed the Sdex when Pt's extension came about. That's what should be done here. TTEchidna 20:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The mini-sprites.

Up to 400, we seem to have all of them as .gifs. But then, from 401 on, we have .png or none at all. What're we going to do about them? Convert them all to gif or png? --TTEchidna 04:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, Pie took care of that up to 400, then she got bored and left them there. I tried doing the rest but she used a weird way of centering them that I couldn't understand and thus abandoned it. I also tried to upload a 32x32 format that I found but that was way too big. Also, PNG takes much more space than GIF and is more managable, so unless Pie helps do the gifs fro scratch, someone is going to have to errase and convert the last 93 (or 95 for two versions of Minomadam) PKMN. Gambler 21:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
ive downloaded all 93 of the .png's, and my copy of photoshop is running a batch command to convert them all to gif. i'll then upload them. OrigamiGuy-Talk-Contribs-Mudkipz 14:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
So done that yet? Because now I have a way around it. TTEchidna 18:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


Giratina looks a bit excluded with Burmy, Wormadam, Shellos, Gastrodon, Deoxys, and Shaymin getting seperate mini-sprites. Is there an Origin Forme mini-sprite, because I'm confused at where anyone got the Shaymin Sky Forme mini-sprite. 207MS.png Gligar 472MS.png 15:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

We have very talented screenshot rippers. Anyway, the official ones... are finally here. All in png. TTEchidna 04:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


Do Arceus' forms have separate mini-sprites? If so, they should be here. If not, please tell me so I don't think everyone's ignoring my question... Flicky1991 17:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Arceus's seperate forms do not have seperate mini-sprites. The same thing falls for Castform, Cherrim, and Spinda. Gligar I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard. 19:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Unown form Mini-Sprites

Why not? I mean, is there another reason besides it takes up too much space? Gligar I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard. 19:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well... yeah. Way too much space. Don't worry, each of them gets used on the Unown page... you just have to wait 28 seconds for it to repeat. If you clear the cache on the page... TTEchidna 19:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


Couldn't they be categorized by their types here? I mean its categorized by things like gender ratios and weight, but not types? I think it would be a little more helpful than things like weight and height...o_O Zolt991 02:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

  • If you want to search a Pokémon by type, you should go to the type page (i.e. Fire), then scroll down the list. Hoolo 14:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Missing No.

Any reason not to include this as entry zero?Iliekmudkips 22:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably because it's not an actual Pokemon. Dexington 22:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Definitely because it's not an actual Pokémon. TTEchidna 03:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Yep, it was simply a glitch from the Generation I games and since it is not a real Pokémon it should be removed from the Pokédex list immediately which I did today without hesitation. -Tyler53841 04:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Splitting off Kanto

Since Johto has its own page... two of them, really... ought not the Kdex have its own page? No one wants to load up this whole monster when trying to find something they need in FRLG or RGBY... TTEchidna 22:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)"

I agree since I have been putting some thought into as well and that while this is the official number system it would be beautiful to have a separate page for the Kanto entries as a sign of respect and it could have a something saying of how it stood as the basis for future generations as well. -Tyler53841 22:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been wanting to suggest this for a while but didn't think anyone would agree. FireRed and LeafGreen specifically separate the Kanto and National Pokedices; even if they have the same first entries, they're separate. - MK (t/c) 00:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
And perhaps also an "Old Pokedex" page with the first 251 entries. - MK (t/c) 22:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Also I volunteer to do this if we decide to... In the rare times I am not sick and can contribute here I like doing whatever I can to feel like I'm making a difference :P - MK (t/c) 13:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Anyone? ._. - MK (t/c) 02:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes on Kdex. The first 251 are in Newdex. An ordered version could fly, though. The Olddex from GSC had the Johtos directly after the Kantos? —darklordtrom 04:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Yup Old Pokédex mode is Johto right after Kanto in National Pokédex order :D ZestyCactus 04:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
This has... ummm... been done :D.--ForceFire 08:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


Is this supposed to contain all pokemon? F1restar 05:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, why?--ForceFire 05:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Uhh never mind, my mistake. Sorry it was my browser's find function... then I looked harder and the pokemon was there even though find didn't find it.F1restar 06:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


Gen V. ht14 19:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


Shouldn't the list be divided by generations? - unsigned comment from Pkmn master (talkcontribs)

This should have been asked BEFORE doing it. (And in my opinion, no, that's unnecessary.)
Also, please sign comments with four tildes (~~~~), thanks. 梅子 17:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


Can someone fix the .PNG files for the new starters? Or at least put a question mark image up for them, like for Zoura and Zoark? «ιɴмɴιαc» 13:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, Sketch took care of it. Sorry. «ιɴмɴιαc» 13:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Gotta ask for this again since there are some links to inexistent files, such as #495, Pokabu and Mijumaru, please, change it to this. wat 07:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Number of starters

According to the other generations, the grass starter gets the first number in the pokedex, the fire starter, the fourth, and the water one, the seventh. We should put #494, #497 and #500 respectively, yeah, their names aren't a sure thing, but I can tell that numbers are. --Masatoshi 16:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not confirmed. Considering all the hints that the new region will be in a new country completely, it isn't even a sure thing that they will have the same National dex. 梅子 16:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's not confirmed, but... why should they change something they've been using since Gen I onwards? They always started their regional dex with numbers 001-004-007, I don't see a reason of why they should change that. Masatoshi 16:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Because they keep going on and on about how they're making a totally new Pokemon experience and how everything will the innovatively reborn and crap? 梅子 16:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
That's not related at all at numbering Pokémon, even if they'd do that, it wouldn't be that much of a change :/. Masatoshi 16:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
You asked why they would change something that has been a consistent pattern in previous generations. I answered.
And yet again, the new region is highly implied to be in a different nation altogether. If this is the case, why would they use the national dex of another country? The Pokemon this generation might not ever have canon numbers in the National Pokedex that we have used up until now. 梅子 17:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Let's just stick to what we know for now. We don't know for sure what the numbering is (even though we can have a guess), and as far as I'm aware, speculation is frowned upon in Bulbapedia articles. ~ Serial Colour 17:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, although I still think that even though it's a new region, they'd be using National Dex later in the game, but that's right, speculation is frowned upon, so, nevermind. Masatoshi 17:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
What we know and what is pretty much definite from prior generations are what we put in. Once the starters are confirmed as Grass-Fire-Water, they're 1-4-7. TTEchidna 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New starters' types

Has it been confirmed anywhere the Gen 5 starters are all pure Grass/Fire/Water types? ~ Serial Colour 17:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Nope, this has not been confirmed either. 梅子 17:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

List of Pokédex

Ok, I've noticed this recently, but... why do we have two columns called NDex (not in Kanto)? Change the first column into its respective region dex, or, change KDex into the second column, and put JDex, HDex, SDex and Unnumbered Dex into the second column in order to have them properly sorted. Masatoshi 16:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed this too. By now the headers in the first column have been changed to their respective regional dex, but the numbers in that column haven't been changed to match. Could an admin or someone who can edit the page get on this? --AndyPKMN 14:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
After analyzing this I can say it is simple to update the redirect and place the the Ndex on the table in the New Pokédex Number listing, but an administrators assistance is necessary for updating this page since it is locked down which is obvious due to the new Gen. V Pokémon. -Tyler53841 16:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Well the mission is over, so now at least I was able to help deal with this debate. -Tyler53841 16:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean "over"? The problem I cited hasn't been tended to at all. We still have two columns to the left, identical in all but name. We need an admin to update the regional dex columns to have the numbers actually mean what they're supposed to. --AndyPKMN 13:43, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately the Ndex is meant to stand for National Pokedex and though it was changed for a while it was changed back and I was made aware of it though I felt bad for asking the administrator The dark lord trombonatorto help with the change, so I wish that all of us drop this subject immediately since this in the end was a foolish mistake and if you read this message AndyPKMN make sure to remember the Ndexs' true meaning. -Tyler53841 01:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Woah. Wait. Two different issues are going on here and I'm going to completely ignore Tyler's one because it's a non-issue.
What this page needs is the Regional Dex numbers for Johto onwards fixed and I haven't got the time to do it. If someone does it in a subpage, I'll mainspace it for them. Deal? —darklordtrom 04:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I'll do it. Werdnae (talk) 05:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Here. Done. Werdnae (talk) 06:55, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Reshiram's and Zekrom's types

The types of Reshiram and Zekrom are confirmed: Both Reshiram and Zekrom are dragon-types. An admin should add this. -Caciulacdlac

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I'm sorry, but where is it confirmed that these are their numbers? I mean yea, look at the previous years and it is obvious to see their ordering, but that is just speculation if there is no source, and speculation is not something to be had on wikias? felinoel 00:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe because for 4 generations this has happened? Why would they change it now? Sure its speculation, but very likely speculation. --S2daam 16:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Speculation is still speculation. If something cannot be accurately cited it should not be listed in a wiki felinoel 16:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I see, so this wiki is in favor of fluff, that is just terrible. felinoel 19:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
It's also speculation that DP184 will air next Thursday, in that case. After all, they might change the TV schedule last-minute. They're starters. What the hell would they put before them, legendaries? TTEchidna 02:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
No, because the TV schedule is actually written down somewhere, there is no place that states that is the order these new pokemon will be, meaning it is speculation. felinoel 02:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
So is the National Dex order. Just ask Satoshi Tajiri. TTEchidna 03:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
The official Japanese Pokémon Black and White page shows an image of Pokabu's entry in the Pokédex, where it is listed as being number 004. At the very least, that should show that the starters are at the beginning of the Pokédex, though it only confirms that Pokabu will be the second starter.--PhantomJunkie 03:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't have too many conversations with Tajiri, and if I did then I would ask, but I do not so I cannot. Yes Phantom, someone pointed that out earlier. felinoel 05:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

New Pokémon

Obviously you will know this, but the new Pokémon are out. Just wondered if we can add them? Or wait till official confirmation for the names and such comes through?--S2daam 16:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Here are some pictures of them: File:Desukan Thing.png File:Denchura Thing.png File:Ononokusu Thing.png File:Doryuuzu Thing.png File:Moguryu Thing.png

We're waiting, just so you know. TTEchidna 03:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Where are the pictures? Eddie Blake 22:43, 9 July 2010 (AEST)

They have been deleted, since they were at incorrect names and were low quality. The Pokémon in question can be seen in the images in their Bulbanews article. Werdnae (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Chiramii's Isshu dex number is known. GreatLiver 02:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Can you add there Janoby, Chaobu and Futacimaru? V.Metalic 22:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


Victini is listed twice; once in the "#494 - #502 Tsutarja - ???" section, and once in the "As yet unnumbered" section. Also, the former lists its type as unknown. --SnorlaxMonster 11:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh don't worry about that, that is just because this wiki tends to favor the use of speculation in its articles, due to that things like this has to happen from time to time. felinoel 21:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be in the as of yet unnumbered part. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 21:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
This was fixed a couple of days ago, so I don't understand why you, felinoel, felt the need to comment on this, after this issue was taken care of, when your comment doesn't even have anything to do with the topic at hand. Victini's regional dex number was confirmed from the official site a long time ago, so why do you feel the need to make such comments? What you called "speculation" actually ended up being confirmed on the official site itself. Jellotalk 23:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I was just explaining to Snor why such a thing could happen? Jeez, calm down? Besides, the speculation I speak of either currently isn't confirmed, or at the very least wasn't confirmed at the time of its usage, thus making it speculation whether or not it was eventually confirmed. felinoel 23:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It didn't seem like that to me. My point was, what you said had nothing to do with anything Snorlax had said, he merely mentioned that Victini was listed twice. How is the fault of this related to speculation? Jellotalk 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Snor was also speaking of its type being not confirmed. felinoel 03:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Because it was confirmed as Psychic/Fire by Yahoo. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 03:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
It was an edit request, but has been fixed a while ago (as Jello said). It happened because its type and regional dex number were confirmed, so it was added to the list twice accidentally. Its type was confirmed at the time, but I was pointing out that one of the two entries failed to acknowledge that. I didn't need anyone to explain why it could happen. --SnorlaxMonster 09:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Well first of all it didn't seem like one, and secondly, yes it has been brought to my attention that that is what it was felinoel 03:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like Victini is #494, not Tsutarja. Flicky1991 11:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Shouldn't Chillarmy be #571? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 19:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

It's listed twice now, heh. - MK (t/c) 08:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


Can we have it underneath Moguryuu? --SnorlaxMonster 10:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes we can. —darklordtrom 10:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it was fixed before, but now Dentura has come between them. Delspencerdeltorro 09:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Not trying to nag...

But this has to get done eventualy. Could sombody put Janoby, Chaobu, and Futachimaru in there respective place on the list?

Sombody should also move Desukān to #563. --EpicShadow 23:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


I'm waiting on a screenshot of it in the Pokédex wit #494 before it before I'm convinced of anything. TTEchidna 02:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


Both here and the Isshu Pokédex page. Rename, please, because I can't do it myself. Ztobor 22:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


Redirects to Pendra. Should be changed. Bluesun 01:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Unova starters

Only Snivy has been translated on this page - someone needs to put the English names for the other two as well. Flicky1991 18:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Info

Each region's set of Pokémon starts with its own set of starter Pokémon and their evolutions, going in order of Grass, Fire, Water.

What about Victini? --Landfish7 17:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Victini's Unova [Isshu] dex number is 000 causing it to be 494 [the number after Arceus] in the Natdex. This means that Unova is an exception. Strongriver 02:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


Some Pokémon's (like Shelgon) MS are a bit blurry. Strongriver 02:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


Hey, I saw a typo, and because I'm a regular user, I can't edit it. So, could an Admin please change 'Goruggo' into the correct 'Goruugu'? Thanks in advance. TyraniThrone 18:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Probably would be better to just post this on an admin's page next time. felinoel 20:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Name Change

Since I can't edit this, I thought I'd put this here- Dageki needs to be changed to Sawk. TheTheDragon14 02:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)TheTheDragon14