Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2

Archive #1

WTF?

Giratina controls dimensions? That's stupid... can somebody remove that? Time and Space (depth, lengh and width) are the freaking dimensions everyone!!! So Giratina has more power than both Dialga and Palkia? I think not. Remember that Giratina lives in the Distortion World... a place that disobeys the laws of Time and Space. hfc2X 22:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 types of dimensions, matematical, which you were talking about, and spacial, which would be under Giratina's control. If you don't belive me, look up "Plane (metaphysics)" on Wikipedia. The dimensions that Giratina controls are alternate planes of exictence, also called dimensions!- unsigned comment from GuyNamedSean (talk • contribs)

It seems that Giratina can control gravity, or atleast that is how I enterpreted the explanation of its form shift. It also makes some sense because gravity could be considered a third factor in time-space Enigmaberry 02:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with hfc2X, this needs to be changed. It was never officially stated anywhere that Giratina controls dimensions or anything at all, really. If you guys are going to write up fan speculation, you can at least, you know, actually make a note of that. Marlowe 02:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

An additional note, after editing the page a few times I noticed that only established users are allowed to make changes, my mistake there. Still, this needs to be changed for accuracy. Marlowe 02:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You do realize that this talk section is from BEFORE Platinum was released in English, right? R.A. Hunter Blade 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anything? Whether it's from one day or even five years ago, it doesn't change the fact that a change still needs to be made. As an encyclopedia, this doesn't need fanon crap. Marlowe 02:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Because Platinum confirmed it. Duh. ~ platinum_sol 02:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Prove it, then. Marlowe 02:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Disprove it, then. ~ platinum_sol 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It is also said in the Distortion World by Cyrus about Giratina's control over dimensions...I'm way, way ahead of that, otherwise I'd give you the exact quote.--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

My bad. I forgot. Giratina can't go between dimensions, or drag people into the Distorted World, or anything like that. Sorry. I guess it has no real power. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Spare me the reverse psychology, Sol, you said that Platinum confirmed it and I'm telling you to point to me where that was specifically confirmed. You're the one making false claims, not me. It was never stated that Giratina controls dimensions, this is FAN SPECULATION which is something that Bulbapedia frowns on if I'm not mistaken. At least it's something they should be frowning upon. Marlowe 02:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

If you can't prove that it hasn't been proved, then it's useless to try and say that it's fan speculation. PsychicRider has confirmed it, so no, it's not fan speculation. ~ platinum_sol 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Quit acting like a politician and disprove it. You're avoiding what somebody tells you that goes against what you're trying to say. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sol, you're the one who's in a position to prove something, not me. I basically asked "Where was that confirmed?" and you've yet to answer that question. I would like the specific quote of Cyrus stating this, though, as I don't recall it. Marlowe 02:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm way past that, as in Battle Frontier past, but I do remember that it is confirmed from Cyrus's dialogue. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

So I'm apparently supposed to conveniently be at the point in time where Cyrus says that specific quote. ~ platinum_sol 03:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No, this isn't a perfect quote, but: "Hmm... so Giratina disappeared into the real world... it doesn't matter. I'll capture it, and then I'll use the dimensional powers of Giratina to form a new world here and destroy the real one." R.A. Hunter Blade 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe that's the quote I was looking for...boys, we have our proof. :D. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 03:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case (if that was explicitly stated), I stand corrected. Thanks. Marlowe 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't mention it. It only took me 30 minutes to think of. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not to sound like a broken record here, but I've just gotten through the Distortion World on my second run-through and Cyrus doesn't make that statement anywhere. I even saved right before the battle with Giratina to see what Cyrus would say in both scenarios (catching Giratina or defeating it), but the dialogue only changes slightly and there's still no explicit mention of it having control over dimensions. Besides, aren't space and time dimensions as well? Judging from some of the official interviews on Giratina I've just read, I'm more inclined to say that Giratina simply controls antimatter. If I'm not mistaken, antimatter IS considered to be the third factor out of time and space, after all. I propose that we take "dimensions" out of the sentence. Marlowe 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I watched a Youtube video and saw the same thing. But no. Dimensions isn't coming out. The descriptions aren't just for the games, but also the anime/movies you have to remember. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Bubbly Mew

Wherever I go, whatever I read that's about Mew or the first movie, it says something like "The Bubbly Mew appeared in the first move", or something like that. Now, why is it called "Bubbly Mew" and why is it just the Mew in the first movie? And where did that term of Bubbly Mew ever come from?--DRAGONBEAST^X 22:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's that the Mew in the first movie enjoyed making bubbles. SD13 Simpsondude13>SD13 Talk 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Phione?

Does Phione really count? And why not Unown? I always thought of the symbols as legends. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic

Phione counts because to get one you have to breed a legendary. Unown doesn't because it's extremely distant from any other legendary. Note the beasts and the birds. Sure they're separated by the powerhouses and events by Dratini and Larvitar's families, but they're next to each other and divided from the others by no more than three Pokémon. Unown has 50 down and 42 up. TTEchidna 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

So all legends have to be near each other in the pokedex? Since when? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 16:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Besides, nobody would buy Unown being legendary, what with how they're found all over the place in the Ruins of Alph, Tanoby Chambers, and Solaceon Ruins. Trust me, in the time it takes to breed for one Phione, odds are one could catch 2 PC boxes entirely full of Unown (although there's no guarantee that all 28 forms would be included)...--Shiningpikablu252 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Can we really stop saying that Rayquaza is based on a Ziz

It really isn't. The closest thing we have to a bird whose wingspan is large enough to block out the sun is Lugia, atleast according to the accounts of an elderly NPC in Ecruteak city.--Outrage DD 22:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, Groudon isn't a giant hippo...elephant...rhino...thing...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

They are both based on the concept of these legendary creatures. Masters of the sky and land respectivly.--MisterE13 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Info

Why is Rotom not a legendary?, I'm not complaining, I just want to know why.Pokemonguy1 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

*slaps with a wet Magikarp* Archives are your friends. — THE TROM — 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

because it doesn't have monster stats--PG1 FTW! 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Neither does Phione, and yet it's still a Legendary. Weedle Mchairybug 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

That's because a legendary is needed to obtain it. --Theryguy512 19:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a reminder that this is a forums topic.... o_0 Go there, peeps. — THE TROM — 09:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do to catch it is to press a on a tv during night time. to get a phione, like it was said before, you need to have manaphy and breed it. --Usyflad10 (talk) 23:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon group picture

I made this: [1]

I think it'll be nice if it was placed in this article, next to (or instead of) that Entei pic.

Greetz, Abel

It's nice really but the thing is that the Johto legends will be getting new artworks soon and, maybe, the admins might not like the signature on the upper right. Also, Deoxys is actually shorter than Mewtwo. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 12:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a reminder that fan art, I think, is generally frowned on. While that is very impressive, we can't use it here. — THE TROM — 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias

So I know that the current pic is better than the last, but I'm pretty sure it's fan made. And we aren't supposed to have fan pics on pages. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? That's the same font the Pokémon Company uses, it's in Sugimori's style, and it has his hanko on it...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Who's the girl though? R.A. Hunter Blade 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Beats me. But that's definitely official. TTEchidna 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Protection Error?

Isn't this page protected? I had no problem editing it, and I'm no admin. --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) THE VERY BEST PAGE! 20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

New users are blocked from editing (which, at the current state of the wiki does nothing). Only admins may move the page, though. —darklordtrom 20:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhhhh... NOW I get it... --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) THE VERY BEST PAGE! 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia: Legendary Pokémon Themes

It should be noted that in the upcoming games, HeartGold and SoulSilver, that Lugia and Ho-Oh now both have their own, distinct themes in the upcoming games. It was confirmed on the "never before seen footage" on Pokémon Sunday where they revealed meeting Lugia and Ho-Oh in the games. :) From the small clips you can hear, Ho-Oh's theme seems to be very Japanese-percussion based (taiko drums) and Lugia's is very orchestral-dramatics based. - unsigned comment from Gimmetokyo (talk • contribs)

New article

Since the Legendary Trios and Duos have articles, should the Legendarys without a group (Trio Master's not included) get there own article too? - unsigned comment from Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs)

If you mean Legendaries like Mew, Celebi, and Manaphy, then no. What would we write that isn't already on their own pages? R.A. Hunter Blade 04:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Arceus HGSS pic

File:Arceus - HGSS Event Artwork.jpg

How about adding it? -- RikkiKitsune 21:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If I could, I would!--The Bulb's Master 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

I didn't place that one since one for the Azure Flute event would be better. It would be similar to Darkrai and Shaymin. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 12:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll put it in for now. We can always change it when the Flute event gets its own artwork. We're using the HGSS Beasts artwork aren't we? R.A. Hunter Blade 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit!

I can't edit, but one of you should include that they can be found in Sinnoh.--The Bulb's Master 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

"Legendary"

Is the term "legendary" an official descriptor or one applied by the fandom? Redstar 23:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Its official. It appears in the games, anime, and all sorts of sources. It even appears in some Pokédex entries. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been playing Blue and the first instance of the term "legendary Pokemon" is on Route 14 by a Bird Keeper, for future reference. Redstar 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine

"If you were looking for the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see Arcanine (Pokémon). " Why does it say that? What does it have to do with anything Qim1 00:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine's species name is "Legendary Pokémon". In comparison, Bulbasaur's is "Seed Pokémon". Just on the off-chance that someone thinks Arcanine is actually a Legendary Pokémon, in the sense meant on this page. —darklordtrom 01:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine is considered as legendary in Chinese... since many Pokédex entries says Arcanine is from China.Palkia38 07:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon of Legend, Illusion, and Myth

Is there any source for these categories of legendaries? The main paragraph suggests the Japanese versions identify legendaries differently that was narrowed for translation... What Pokemon are in these various categories, and why? What exactly do the Japanese versions say? Redstar 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Slowpoke/king

This may meet with some dissent, but would Slowpoke or Slowking qualify under "Other Pokemon of myth"? Slowpoke is pretty dominantly featured in GSC and HG/SS, as well as the corresponding anime episode, as the savior of Azalea in time of need. He's practically worshiped there. I don't believe this story was ever explicitly stated as fact, but rather as a cultural legend of sorts. That means Slowpoke is featured in a legend, and so possibly counts as a low-tier legendary like Arcanine of Togepi.

Slowking may same to fit the position more, but the extent of its qualification are the second movie. I don't know if human speech, a knowledge of ancient prophecies, and a role in that prophecy coming true/being resolved counts as a legendary, but should also be considered.

So, what are the opinions on counting on or both as minor legendaries? I'll agree to any consensus, but just thought it would be worth bringing up since Slowpoke does garner some "It's a legendary" statements from time to time. Redstar 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Pastoria worships Croagunk. Does that mean it's a minor legendary too? Slowpoke, as far as I know, only gets mentioned as legendary when people are being sarcastic.--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 00:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I was unaware of Croagunk's position in that area, though that does get me thinking... Slowpoke, Croagunk, and possibly some of the "Other Pokemon of myth" featured here might do well on a "Pokemon of cultural significance" kind of article. I expect gen 5 will introduce at least one new Pokemon that is treated similarly to these two, so at that time it might be feasible to make such an article. Redstar 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

We need more than two Pokémon of culutral significance to make it an article. —darklordtrom 01:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is why I suggested waiting until gen 5 when another Pokemon may be featured. But, as it stands now, Arcanine, Ninetails, and the Togepi line are strong candidates for such an article. Note that "legendary" is as much a fan-term as a canon one, so creating a corollary term for culturally-significant Pokemon would be ideal as well as alleviate the constant arguing about who is and isn't a legendary, when frankly many of the supposed legendaries would make more sense in a culture article. Redstar 01:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Unique Pokemon

So which Pokemon exactly are "unique" besides Mewtwo? I'm just curious. Also, has it ever been confirmed that Mewtwo is unique? '''LugiaRox''' 02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Well he is the first cloned legendary, first created legendary. But that's probably speculation.--Midnight Blue 03:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo is a special case. He's not even a "legendary" in the in-universe sense (no associated legends), only in the fanon sense. Discussing what other Pokemon are "unique" is beating a dead horse, since it's been done before and there's no way we can no for sure. Looking at it one way, nearly every Pokemon is unique, but in another way there's room for multiplies. Who knows? As for created Pokemon akin to Mewtwo, I'm sure that area will be explored at some point. Come gen 5, all the loose strings will be tired up. Redstar 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe we could safely say that Arceus is unique. '''LugiaRox''' 05:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Arceus is the personification of a concept. There could very well be more than one, with each being an avatar of an incomprehensible concept. It's called pantheism. Hindis practice it. Redstar 05:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Hindu's you moron, hindi is the language they speak in india!--Minimag 05:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)