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:OK, A: I do have evidence about the name, most were not against it. Even the admins who were posting to this section didn't. And B: I am not intending to be the king of this. Also, Snorlax Monster did NOT provide an exp. date when he protected it, so it would seem like it was permanent. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 
:OK, A: I do have evidence about the name, most were not against it. Even the admins who were posting to this section didn't. And B: I am not intending to be the king of this. Also, Snorlax Monster did NOT provide an exp. date when he protected it, so it would seem like it was permanent. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
   
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:If you really had evidence that it should be moved from Jimmy Zoppi, you would provide it. Claiming you have it and actually having it are two different things. And actually, you tried removing ALL REFERENCES to the Jimmy Zoppi name, which exposes your agenda to have everything your way. That's vandalism. And the name you chose to move it to was the one name where there was a flat-out no from Jo, so not only did you not have approval, you had complete disapproval. So there will be no vote, no move. It's staying at Zoppi.--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 
*'''James Carter Cathcart''' (1) - {{u|Poke.geek}}
 
 
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Revision as of 22:24, 11 January 2012

Article name change

I've been out of the Pokémon loop for quite some time, but it appears that Jimmy Zoppi/Billy Beach is now being credited under his real name, Carter Cathcart. Since it's common practice for us to have VAs listed under their real names if they've been credited under it in Pokémon (ie, Rodger Parsons, Jason Griffith) should we rename the article to Carter Cathcart? It's apparent that he has no problem having his real name connected to the show (heck, there's a clip of him doing an interview on YouTube where he fully admits that he's been credited as Jimmy Zoppi and Billy Beach), and the fact that he's now being credited under his real name gives support to this. Thoughts? --PAK Man Talk 03:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

According to his Facebook, his full name is "James Carter Cathcart," so "Jimmy" is still his name. :P But I don't see what's wrong with having the page use their real name. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 04:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
But his real last name is Catchcart, so I think that should be changed. And Carter is his middle name. サトシ 18:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Last name

His real last name is Catchcart, so shouldn't this be at James Carter Catchcart? I mean it's not like he hasn't been credited with that last name before. I think this should be moved. サトシ 21:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, he has never been credited in the anime as Jimmy Zoppi --サトシ 21:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

That's actually not true. But I'm not against the move though. --ケンジガール 22:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I think we should only have the article use names he is credited as. Some actors prefer to keep their personal lives (including their birth name) separate from their professional lives. People will know who Jimmy Zoppi or Carter Cathcart are from the credits. I don't even know if we should have their full, birth names be mentioned on the page as a respect to their privacy. Just keep things on the professional side, with maybe a short, not too personal, bio. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 04:16, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, then should we rename Kayzie Rogers "Jamie Peacock"? And Jimmy himself uses his real name plenty of times, I don't think he has anything wrong with it. AND we have links that read "Carter Cathcart." We could always just rename it "Carter Catchcart." I support the move. サトシ 04:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
In case you misunderstood, I'm not against moving it to Carter Cathcart. I was just against moving it to James Carter Cathcart. Kayzie Rogers is actually credited as Kayzie Rogers in BW with her work as Axew. So it is a credited name. That's all I'm saying, if it's used in the credits, we use it. - unsigned comment from Jo The Marten (talkcontribs) 04:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Then does this mean we should move it to Carter Cathcart? It's what he currently is credited is. サトシ 05:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Isn't this a bit of a slippery slope? It's not uncommon for VAs to be credited by a couple of different names. If we try to use the most recent one, we could very well end up moving articles routinely. I think we should use whichever name is used most often as opposed to most recently. Crystal Talian 05:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
He's mostly either been credited as James Carter Cathcart or Carter Cathcart. I don't see anything wrong with a move. And it doesn't seem like many would actually oppose it. サトシ 05:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, we're not really getting anywhere with this. Again, should we move this to Carter Cathcart or not? サトシ 23:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, we need some more opinions. We haven't gone that much since December 31st. Now I'm not trying to be impatient, but you shouldn't just leave a talk section like that. I think we might need to start a consensus. サトシ 00:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I say yes, make the move - it's his real name, and he hasn't gone by Jimmy Zoppi since in almost 6 years. But I think it makes more sense to move it to James Carter Cathcart while leaving the credits on the articles for James, Meowth etc. "Carter Cathcart", because while he currently goes by Carter Cathcart as a VA, as scriptwriter his name has appeared with the James since season 9. -Thingamajig257- 11:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
OK, let's do it! サトシ 23:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought we needed mod/admin approval before moving? Crystal Talian 03:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Hang on now. My intention was not to have everything moved back, I was only asking a question. I may be totally wrong. Crystal Talian 04:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

He's been very contradictory and using false information to back him up. No administrator actually said yes--SandmanDP 04:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I am NOT using false info! Also I asked for a consensus, but no one bothered to do so. And chances are, the admins (no offense) would probably want to wait, I dunno, a few weeks? And PLEASE unprotect the article. It's not fair permanetly protect something. サトシ 22:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's impossible to protect an article "permanetly", as such a word does not exist. The reason you didn't get a response is because everyone is sick of you and the way you think you can do whatever you want. No administrator said yes, and you defied them by moving the page. You claim you're using facts, but have yet to provide evidence. Please leave this alone--SandmanDP 22:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, A: I do have evidence about the name, most were not against it. Even the admins who were posting to this section didn't. And B: I am not intending to be the king of this. Also, Snorlax Monster did NOT provide an exp. date when he protected it, so it would seem like it was permanent. サトシ 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
If you really had evidence that it should be moved from Jimmy Zoppi, you would provide it. Claiming you have it and actually having it are two different things. And actually, you tried removing ALL REFERENCES to the Jimmy Zoppi name, which exposes your agenda to have everything your way. That's vandalism. And the name you chose to move it to was the one name where there was a flat-out no from Jo, so not only did you not have approval, you had complete disapproval. So there will be no vote, no move. It's staying at Zoppi.--SandmanDP 22:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)