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None - Ecruteak City, Mahogany Town, Route 45
None - Ecruteak City, Mahogany Town, Route 45
Updating the list accordingly --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 06:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Updating the list accordingly --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 06:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
In Pokemon Crystal, I encounter Spearow, Aipom, Heracross and Ekans in Azalea Town (near Kurt's house and elsewhere), which would seem to fit with the mountain category. Is it possible that the trees changed between GS / C ? Could someone confirm this? [[User:Betawolf33|Betawolf33]] 07:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
== New Page! ==
== New Page! ==

Revision as of 07:06, 11 February 2011

The Gen II Headbutt Table

As far I was aware, there were two types of trees: Forest and Mountain. This article fails to make the distinction, and has a number of Pokémon missing from the list, the most notable being Heracross.

To further complicate matters, I possess two conflicting sources of information, and at a guess I'm assuming others do too. The first is an old Prima Game Guide for Pokémon Crystal, and a 'Nintendo Official Magazine' Monster Guide for Gold and Silver.

The Prima Guide listed the Pokemon as such:

Forest Trees

Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Ekans, Venonat, Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Ledyba, Spinerak and Pineco.
Available at Routes 26 and 27, 29-32, 35-39, 43, Lake of Rage and Ilex Forest.

Mountain Trees

Spearow, Ekans, Aipom and Heracross.
Available at Routes 33, 42, 44 and Azalea Town.

However, in a section of the NOM Monster Guide it lists Heracross' Mountain Trees and Locations as Routes 29-33 and 42-44.

I'm aware that details published can easily be possibly dubious, but the fact that Heracross is missing from the BP list in the first place, and the BP Pokédex in general is a little indistinct on Headbutting, it may be worth a look in.

So, is there anybody out there who can verify this info? Thanks in Adv. --JaffaJHDA 22:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that this article was missing this section. If you must, go ahead and edit it. If you need help with the table, then go to my talk page. ht14 00:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

After a bit of personal testing, i've found pineco in route 32, casting some doubt on the accuracy of NOM... Unless anyone wishes to dispute the fact this is just playtesting ill test the other doubted routes and edit accordingly... User talk:Parallel

  Ok, just checked routes 32,31,30, 29 and 43, and they're all Forest, making edit now.

In Gen II (silver) Azalea Town has Weedles and Kakunas so it is Forest not Mountain. Also I'm getting a database error whenever I try to edit this page. --Grinnz

Route 29 is a Mountain area, even says so on the Route 29 page. I changed it but messed up the formatting, now I can't fix it because this page is still causing database timeouts. --Grinnz 04:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, apparently the edit still goes through sometimes but takes several minutes. Anyway I'm going to check other routes in Gen II Silver, maybe there's a difference between gens here. --Grinnz 04:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Found (many) Spearows and some Aipom in these places meaning they are Mountain: Route 29, 30, 31, 32, 33
Also found a few Heracross on Route 30. The Spearow concentration here seemed a lot lower, I only found 1 out of the 10 ish battles.
Found Weedles etc in: Azalea Town, Ilex Forest (obviously), Route 35, 36, 37
Route 34 only has one headbutt-able tree and I found nothing there after many tries (like all the trees in Violet City)
Route 46 has no headbutt-able trees.
That's all I'm able to test at the moment, anyone up to check it out in HG/SS? --Grinnz 06:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Also I have yet to find an Ekans, Venonat, Hoothoot, Noctowl, or Ledyba (Spinarak would be in Gold) by headbutting forest trees, or Ekans in the mountains; it was said that the guide used for that info was for Crystal, perhaps those are Crystal only? --Grinnz 20:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Tested the rest of the Johto locations (still Gen II silver): Forest - Route 38, 39, Lake of Rage Mountain - Route 42, 43, 44 None - Ecruteak City, Mahogany Town, Route 45 Updating the list accordingly --Grinnz 06:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

In Pokemon Crystal, I encounter Spearow, Aipom, Heracross and Ekans in Azalea Town (near Kurt's house and elsewhere), which would seem to fit with the mountain category. Is it possible that the trees changed between GS / C ? Could someone confirm this? Betawolf33 07:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

New Page!

Especially now with HG/SS, I think there should be a separate article for headbutt trees. This page could have a note about the ability to headbutt trees in the associated generations, with a link to that page. What do you guys think? [[Derian]] 16:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

What about tutoring!?

The last time I looked, many pages were linked with having Headbutt as a move tutor move in the Generation II remakes. Why does this page not yet have this list? It is a big task, I know, but i do not want to undertake it, or play a part in it, if there is a genuine reason for its absence. Please reply with answers as to whether it needs doing, agreements and/or support in completing this. Thanks, User:Samjohn95

Simply put, we have not yet got around to it. If you have a list by all means upload it. —darklordtrom 07:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, i will begin work on it as soon as i can. Samjohn95

I can also work on it too since after a small test I can confirm that I should be capable of handing it since I am using the preview button to help with my work. It'll take a while but I'll get it down ASAP. Till then I am keeping my collected details on my Sandbox page.-Tyler53841 02:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Despite a few unintended and annoying blunders, my work is complete and I learned from this experience. -Tyler53841 17:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I got halfway through and it appeared! Though I was looking forward to the experience, and my first large-scale edit, I am glad that it is done. Well done. I did do quite well for the Power page... oh well. Congrats! --Samjohn95


Can anyone confirm that pokemon who are encountered by headbutting a tree can be asleep in HeartGold/ SoulSilver? I have yet to encounter this. Parallel

First, sign your name. Second, even in GSC, this also occurs depending on the time of day. In the morning, nocturnal Pokémon are asleep, while at night, the diurnal Pokémon are asleep. ht14 20:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Third, we don't resign our names. As for the question, I misinterpreted it. So... sorry... see if you can find a Hoothoot in the morning via Headbutt. ht14 21:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, kinda my first day editing, getting used to some of it. With time set to 5 AM, i couldn't get a Hoot-hoot asleep after aproximatley 10 tries. I also trued Exeggcute, Pineco, Spearow or Heracross during night time and they weren't asleep either. Is it safe to assume they removed the headbutt encounters being asleep? Parallel

Heracross not available in all mountain trees

I have done over 200 battles on routes 33 and routes 42 in pokemon soulsilver and silver, yet have not been able to encounter heracross even once, yet as soon as I start headbutting trees on route 44 I encounter a heracross almost immediately, it seems as though the pokemon encountered cannot simply be divided into mountain/forest trees as the article suggests. Energize 21:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

   I've found Heracross in Azalea Town, which is marked as a forest zone. Are we sure the forest/mountain system is still in effect in HeartGold/Soulsilver?  -Hot Dork

Headbutt Trees need attention

I wasn't sure where to bring this up, so I came here. From my observations Headbutt no longer picks Pokémon from two convenient categories. Rather, the available Pokémon seem to be determined on a Route by Route (and at least in the case of Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon, tree by tree) basis. I think we'll either need to include which Pokémon are available on each Route's page, or include the Routes on which Pokémon can be found using Headbutt on the respective Pokémon's page. Anyone got any ideas on how we should go about this? --AndyPKMN 16:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

An update-- I went through the Pokédex on my HeartGold version. Obviously this won't tell us everything, since we won't know the locations where Ledyba, Ledian, Weedle, Kakuna, and Beedrill live without checking SoulSilver. However, it does tell us about the need for a new system.
Routes 1, 2, and 22, along with Pallet Town and Viridian City, have Hoothoot, Spinarak, Pineco, and Wurmple.
Routes 3 and 4 have Hoothoot, Pineco, and Wurmple.
Routes 5, 6, and 8, along with Cerulean City, have Hoothoot, Pineco, and Combee.
Routes 7, 11, and 16, along with Celadon City and Vermilion City, have Spearow, Heracross, and Combee.
Routes 12, 13, 14, 15, 18, and 21, along with Fuschia City, have Tangela, Hoothoot, Spinarak, and Wurmple.
Route 25 has Hoothoot, Pineco, Slakoth, and Combee.
Routes 26, 27, 29, 36, 37, 39, 30, 31, 34, 35, and 48, along with Ecruteak City, New Bark Town, and the Safari Zone Gate, have Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Spinarak, and Pineco.
Route 28, Mt. Silver, and Mt. Silver Cave have Aipom and Heracross.
Route 32 and Violet City have Exeggcute, Hoothoot, and Pineco.
Routes 33, 42, 44, 45, and 46, along with Azalea Town, have Spearow, Aipom, and Heracross.
Route 38 has Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Spinarak, Pineco, and Burmy.
Route 43 and the Lake of Rage have Venonat, Exeggcute, Hoothoot, and Pineco.
Route 47 has Metapod, Butterfree, Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Spinarak, Pineco, and Heracross.
Pewter City has Hoothoot, Pineco, Heracross, and Starly.
Viridian Forest has Hoothoot, Noctowl, Spinarak, Ariados, Seedot, and Shroomish.
Cherrygrove City has Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Spinarak, Pineco, and Taillow.
Ilex Forest has Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Hoothoot, Noctowl, and Pineco.
National Park has Exeggcute, Hoothoot, Spinarak, Pineco, and Cherubi.
Again, that list does not include SoulSilver-exclusives, but it does show the sheer number of types of Headbutt Trees. I think adding a table to location articles detailing which Pokémon are found in Headbutt Trees would be in order. --AndyPKMN 18:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
says that the Ledyba and Weedle lines merely take the places of the Spinarak and Caterpie lines on the other side of the version-exclusivity. That meaning that where a Spinarak would appear in HeartGold, a Ledyba would appear in SoulSilver; the same goes for a Weedle appearing in SoulSilver where Caterpie does in HeartGold. About the only thing that might be different would be sleep status between the truly version-exclusive lines (Ledyba's a morning Pokémon, while Spinarak's a night Pokémon)...--Shiningpikablu252 03:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
On the subject of sleep status... Has anyone actually confirmed that that aspect of Headbutt was carried over into HGSS? From my observations, no Pokémon which formerly could be found asleep in Headbutt Trees (i.e. Spinarak and Hoothoot) can be found that way in HGSS. Of course, I could be wrong about that, because let's face it, I'm certainly not looking for Hoothoot when I use Headbutt. --AndyPKMN 14:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
One thing to add is that I want to add is that I usually find Heracross on Route 33, just outside Azalea town and at a semi-common rate. -Tyler53841 15:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Deth and I did a little experiment with headbutting trees a few months ago - you just jogged my memory because it was indeed on Route 33, and I too was finding Heracross at a semi-common rate (though Deth, iirc, wasn't finding any Heracross). I can't recall anything else other than that, but I should have the chat log on my computer back home, so I can check later if we had found out anything interesting. 梅子 15:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Good, I hope this can help solve this mystery, and I also recall that I couldn't find Heracross on Route 42 no matter how hard I tried. -Tyler53841 16:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, I just checked my brother's SoulSilver version, and the routes that Ledyba, Weedle, etc. appear in trees on ARE the same as the ones Spinarak, Caterpie, etc. appear on in HeartGold.
So where do you think this information should go? It's obviously a little much for this page, so should we add these to the route pages? --AndyPKMN 23:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
You left something out, though- there are Natu in Mt. Silver's trees. I've caught one myself. Great list, otherwise.- unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 15:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Headbutt occasionally hits Ghost in Emerald??

I've been playing Pokemon Emerald lately, and I noticed something very odd. I have caught a Sableye (two, actually). When in battle with a Linoone on Route 118, I noticed something very odd occur: Normally, Headbutt (a Normal move) shouldn't be able to hit a Sableye, but once during the battle, it did. This has happened to me twice now, and knocked out my Pokémon the second time (possibly the first, I can't remember). Is my copy of the game glitching, or does someone have an explanation for this? SoItBegins 18:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Foresight or Scrappy may have been in effect. —darklordtrom 19:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Yep-- it was Odor Sleuth. Thanks. SoItBegins 05:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Headbutt Trees STILL need attention

Alright, I can verify that the levels of Pokémon found in Headbutt Trees vary based on the location. Isn't it about time we eliminate the table of which Pokémon are obtainable in Gen. IV, and integrate those Pokémon into the individual Route pages? --AndyPKMN 17:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Apart from being location-exclusive, i think that the trees are very specific as well (i.e. u can headbutt all trees, but pokémon will only be found in certain trees). It definitely is a different system from the forest/mountain one. --> AquaDragon (talk) 10:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I have updated all(hopefully) the gen IV pokemon tables to include a headbutt section. I've also double checked with AndyPKMN's list above with the in-game Pokédex, so most of it should be accurate (except pewter city, it doesn't have Heracross but Wurmple instead). I only left out the levels and rate, putting them to be unknown, because it will definitely require some sampling before a definitive figure can be put in place. I've also sort of deduced the mechanics behind the Headbutt system, but that would need some verification. I've typed it out on the article itself. hope that helps :) --> AquaDragon (talk) 06:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)