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:::Still, shouldn't we wait until the games come out in the U.S. before we move this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 11:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Still, shouldn't we wait until the games come out in the U.S. before we move this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 11:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I see no reason why they'd change that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I see no reason why they'd change that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::But they could change it, like they did with {{m|X-Scissor|Scissor Cross}} and {{a|Solid Rock|Hard Rock}}, which both had Engl(r)ish names in Japanese.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#C11B17">でんのう</font>]] <font color="#347C2C">☢</font>  [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#151B8D">'''Z'''えんし</font>]] 11:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Still, I don't understand that "No one cares about Japanese names, wait for the English version" trend. We haven't been that lazy and stupid before. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think Gaido is notable enough for his own article, and I don't think that this article should be moved to "Gaido," but I do think something about Gaido and the fact that he has a name should be added to the article, and perhaps a redirect created. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 08:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Gaido"? Come on. It's not a personal name. It's GUIDE. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::...No, you'd be wrong there.  It's his name.  When he [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/gaido.png introduces himself] he gives his name as ガイドー. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 08:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, thanks for the screen (and an edit conflict). So, yes, he's got a name. But look, he also introduces himself as the "guide" - he says "I'm the Trainer Guide Gaidoo" or something along these lines. So, we've got both - his name (Gaido) and his title (Guide). And I think that calling him the "Gym Guide" is a much better choice than "Caretaker". Really, why caretaker? His role is giving the player hints on beating the Gym Leader, no one said that he takes care of the Gym (and I doubt he does). "Caretaker" is a big misnomer. Also, with the Isshu caretaker's name being revealed as "Gaido", the statement that "No official name has been released for the gym caretaker" is no longer true. Move or not, the article needs updating. Also, I'm not sure if that "Jim Gui" thing is worth mentioning (it's from Pokemon-X sprite comic). Most people call him simply the "Gym guy". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::A closer translation would be "My name is Gaido, who guides Trainers," so it's not expressly stated as his title, but I'll give you that probably is his title.
:::::::::::Likely this article hasn't been updated simply because there are more important things that need to be worked on. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 08:19, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Right. It's always me who cares about such trivial matters and whines about every single error. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Hey, don't go putting words in my mouth.  But anyway, you could make the appropriate edits to this page yourself if you wanted, as I don't believe it's protected. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 08:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I only called him "Caretaker" because that was the name given to him in the Fame Checker section of Giovanni's article. Feel free to call him whatever you like, as long as you remember to change the references in the other articles. [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 21:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
== Updating the page ==
Hi. I just wanted to say that I was the one that updated the page. Gaido should be kept under the caretaker label. It is doubtful that the name sticks for '''ALL''' of the caretakers, but his name is secured for Black and White. Black and White have no impact on the other regions, and neither should its caretaker, Gaido. I vote no on giving him his own page.--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 04:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
== Manga ==
Has he appeared in any manga? Because this article makes it sound like he has only not appeared in Pokespe. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 11:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
== Against the move ==
There is no evidence the caretaker's name was "Clyde" in the first four generations. Only the guy from Unova is Clyde. It isn't safe to assume that they are all the same person. It should stay as "Caretaker". --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 03:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
:But there is also no evidence that his name is "Caretaker". It's not even implied that he takes care of the Gym, he merely gives advice. In BW he says something like "I'm Clyde, your guide". So, maybe "Gym guide" would be a better name for him? But yeah, I also oppose the move to "Clyde". It'd be like moving [[Pokémon Center Nurse]] to "Casey". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::"Caretaker" came from the Fame Checker section of Giovanni's page, where it said the Fame Checker called him 'Caretaker'. I just checked this in my game myself, and it simply says 'Man'. I have corrected the error on [[Giovanni]], and I agree that "Gym guide" would be a much better, less assuming name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
== Old Gyms? ==
Does Clyde still appear in the Icirrus, Striation, or Nacrene Gyms in Black 2 and White 2? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 07:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
== Somethin' different in Platinum? ==
The quotes in Eterna, Hearthome and Veilstone gyms are different like the interior? --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 00:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
== Celadon Gym guide in Gen II and IV ==
what happen with the guide in Celadon Game Corner, only says goy coins for a Pokémon --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 01:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
== Laverre City ==
The quote given here is only if you're a boy ("Mr Pouty" becomes "Miss Pouty" if you're a girl). Can someone who knows the formatting change this? And are the any others like this we're missing? --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 21:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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List of hints

Do you guys think that there should be a list of the hints for each gym? - unsigned comment from 09MurphyM (talkcontribs)

I don't think so. That sounds like something that would be in an appendix. We're not game guides. ht14 15:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure now... it sounds ok... I guess? I need confirmation... ht14 03:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

"Guide"

Wasn't the Gym Guy referred to as "Guide" in BW? --Maxim 16:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but as these games are set in a different place, I don't know if it's the same character. The nurses are different, aren't they? —darklordtrom 04:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, They are. But we have them all in one article. I think it would be pointless to split the article into "Kanto/Johto caretaker", "Hoenn caretaker" etc. And "Guide" is the only official name we have for this guy. I think it wouldn't be incorrect to refer to ALL "caretakers" by this name. --Maxim 10:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Still, shouldn't we wait until the games come out in the U.S. before we move this? --AndyPKMN 11:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
I see no reason why they'd change that. --Maxim 11:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
But they could change it, like they did with Scissor Cross and Hard Rock, which both had Engl(r)ish names in Japanese.--でんのう Zえんし 11:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Still, I don't understand that "No one cares about Japanese names, wait for the English version" trend. We haven't been that lazy and stupid before. --Maxim 08:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think Gaido is notable enough for his own article, and I don't think that this article should be moved to "Gaido," but I do think something about Gaido and the fact that he has a name should be added to the article, and perhaps a redirect created. 梅子 08:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
"Gaido"? Come on. It's not a personal name. It's GUIDE. --Maxim 08:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
...No, you'd be wrong there. It's his name. When he introduces himself he gives his name as ガイドー. 梅子 08:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for the screen (and an edit conflict). So, yes, he's got a name. But look, he also introduces himself as the "guide" - he says "I'm the Trainer Guide Gaidoo" or something along these lines. So, we've got both - his name (Gaido) and his title (Guide). And I think that calling him the "Gym Guide" is a much better choice than "Caretaker". Really, why caretaker? His role is giving the player hints on beating the Gym Leader, no one said that he takes care of the Gym (and I doubt he does). "Caretaker" is a big misnomer. Also, with the Isshu caretaker's name being revealed as "Gaido", the statement that "No official name has been released for the gym caretaker" is no longer true. Move or not, the article needs updating. Also, I'm not sure if that "Jim Gui" thing is worth mentioning (it's from Pokemon-X sprite comic). Most people call him simply the "Gym guy". --Maxim 08:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
A closer translation would be "My name is Gaido, who guides Trainers," so it's not expressly stated as his title, but I'll give you that probably is his title.
Likely this article hasn't been updated simply because there are more important things that need to be worked on. 梅子 08:19, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Right. It's always me who cares about such trivial matters and whines about every single error. --Maxim 08:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey, don't go putting words in my mouth. But anyway, you could make the appropriate edits to this page yourself if you wanted, as I don't believe it's protected. 梅子 08:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I only called him "Caretaker" because that was the name given to him in the Fame Checker section of Giovanni's article. Feel free to call him whatever you like, as long as you remember to change the references in the other articles. This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia 21:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Updating the page

Hi. I just wanted to say that I was the one that updated the page. Gaido should be kept under the caretaker label. It is doubtful that the name sticks for ALL of the caretakers, but his name is secured for Black and White. Black and White have no impact on the other regions, and neither should its caretaker, Gaido. I vote no on giving him his own page.--Pokemon26 04:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Manga

Has he appeared in any manga? Because this article makes it sound like he has only not appeared in Pokespe. Dia Sprite 11:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Against the move

There is no evidence the caretaker's name was "Clyde" in the first four generations. Only the guy from Unova is Clyde. It isn't safe to assume that they are all the same person. It should stay as "Caretaker". --ケンジガール 03:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

But there is also no evidence that his name is "Caretaker". It's not even implied that he takes care of the Gym, he merely gives advice. In BW he says something like "I'm Clyde, your guide". So, maybe "Gym guide" would be a better name for him? But yeah, I also oppose the move to "Clyde". It'd be like moving Pokémon Center Nurse to "Casey". --Maxim 08:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
"Caretaker" came from the Fame Checker section of Giovanni's page, where it said the Fame Checker called him 'Caretaker'. I just checked this in my game myself, and it simply says 'Man'. I have corrected the error on Giovanni, and I agree that "Gym guide" would be a much better, less assuming name. --SnorlaxMonster 10:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Old Gyms?

Does Clyde still appear in the Icirrus, Striation, or Nacrene Gyms in Black 2 and White 2? --Abcboy (talk) 04:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Zarthga (talk) 07:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Somethin' different in Platinum?

The quotes in Eterna, Hearthome and Veilstone gyms are different like the interior? --HoopsterJohn (talk) 00:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Celadon Gym guide in Gen II and IV

what happen with the guide in Celadon Game Corner, only says goy coins for a Pokémon --HoopsterJohn (talk) 01:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Laverre City

The quote given here is only if you're a boy ("Mr Pouty" becomes "Miss Pouty" if you're a girl). Can someone who knows the formatting change this? And are the any others like this we're missing? --Flicky1991 21:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)