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I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
:A little late, but I agree.  For all we know, they are simply using {{m|Fling}}, or even just throwing them without any sort of attack being involved.  <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 02:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::I got rid of the "rock throw", but I think Bronzor using Teleport should stay, I don't think there is a difference between Teleport and 'teleporting'. IMO, it would be the same as saying, for example, the Bellsprout in [[DP134]] is just absorbing the foe's energy, instead of using {{m|Absorb}}. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
== Mainspace? ==
Is there any reason why this page should not yet be mainspaced?  It looks all right to me.  <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 00:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
== Goldeen's Splash in Smash Bros? ==
In the Smash Bros series, Goldeen used Splash when sent out, despite being unable to learn that move by any means. Should it be added? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
== Rayquaza's Dig ==
In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Rayquaza attacks by using Dig, which it can't learn in the games. {{unsigned|Squirtle drink}}
:Just checked the appropriate pages to make sure, and it looks like a move error to me. Will add it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
== Pokémon Stadium 2 Problems ==
I haven't played Stadium 2 in ages so I could be wrong but I think that there are mistakes in the raichu and the exeggutor. I believe that if you beat round 2 mode of Stadium 2 and brought pikachu with you in each battle, it rewarded you by letting you teach it surf. If that is the case then it would be possible to have a raichu with an egg move and surf. I also think that you could use TMs from RBY on a pokémon in a GSC game if you went to that place that you could move boxes and items around. I'm less sure on that one though because it was long before I bred for egg moves so I could be completely off base there. [[User:O76923|O76923]] ([[User talk:O76923|talk]]) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
:Reversal and AncientPower were introduced in Generation II, so you can't trade Pokémon that know them to Generation I games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 09:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
==Sidney's Shiftry==
It is level 48 and knows Extrasensory which Nuzleaf doesn't normally learn until level 49. {{unsigned|Gatogirl}}
:After checking, I am able to confirm that it should not learn it that early. Also, since Seedot cannot learn it by breeding, I added it to the list. Thanks for catching that. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
::Let me ask you a question. Why didn't you add it yourself? I will admit that sometimes I bring something up in the discussion pages if I'm about to add something that's questionable. But since you know for a fact that's true and worthy, I don't see how you couldn't add it yourself. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
== Bruno's Exeggutor ==
Could we reword the sentence for Bruno's Exeggutor so it says it couldn't learn both {{m|AncientPower}} and {{m|Explosion}} simultaneously at the time, because since Gen III it's been possible to have an Exeggutor that legally knows both those moves. --[[User:Relicant|<span style="color:#785C3E;">'''Reli'''</span><span style="color:#FF3300;">★</span><span style="color:#C2A385;">'''ジーランス'''</span>]]'''?''' 12:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
== Gen VI illegal move? ==
I noticed on Battle Chatelaine Evelyn's page, that her Entei knows Sacred Fire. If I have seen it correctly, shouldn't Ho-Oh be the only one with this move or do we have to wait to tell for this one? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 02:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:Since Entei is not currently available in Generation VI, we actually don't know if it can learn Sacred Fire. Until Poké Transporter is released, I think it is best to give the game the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
::Seeing as Pokémon Bank was released today, I guess we'll see soon enough if it's an illegal move eh? :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 19:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
:::It's been known for almost a day that Entei can now learn it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 19:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh, I thought it came out today, didn't know. Sorry. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 20:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
== Entei ==
In that image of Bryce's Piloswine using Fury Attack, that's Entei on the defence isn't it? It doesn't match the G2 sprites given on Entei's page, but it sure looks like Entei's G3 backsprites. Did it have a different back sprite in Crystal that Entei's page doesn't have on record? [[User:Bug Catcher Wade|<span style="color: Purple;">'''Bug Catcher Wade'''</span>]] 08:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, it's its [[a:File:Spr b 2c 244.png|Crystal sprite]]. We are currently working on to update the sprite template so that it can have all the sprites.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 09:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
== Victory Road Flygon ==
In Pokémon Black/White 2, I might get the level wrong, but you have to trust me. I fought a Flygon in Victory Road that hit my Flygon with Dragon Claw at level 54, despite learning it at level 55.
He might have taught it via TM, but I'm just peeved off he beat up my Flygon that was the SAME EXACT LEVEL with a move that he doesn't learn naturally at the level.
[[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's not unusual at all for regular trainers to use TM moves, even if they'd be part of a learnset at a later level. It's otherwise not worth putting in this article. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 03:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Really now? I never noticed any out-of-the-blue TM moves. Probably because I'm always so overleveled and one-shot them.
But, isn't the TM for that located at Dragonspiral Tower? It's out of place. But I'm still angry at that trainer. [[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 19:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:TM02 is in Victory Road in BW. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 06:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::Never mind, I mistook your game for BW when it was BW2. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 09:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
== Fairy Wind Gardevoir ==
Should it be in this article since they probably changed it before they released the game. [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 08:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:They did, but I still think it is interesting to note. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
== Rumble World ==
Since the Froakie and Togepi were, in fact, gifts, should their moves be considered event moves in the vein of {{DL|List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V|15th Anniversary Rayquaza}}'s {{m|V-create}} and [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects#Entei|Shiny Entei]]'s {{m|Flare Blitz}}? - [[User:Chosen|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Chosen|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 13:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:The main difference is that the event Pokémon were distributed for the main games with the move in question. As for the Gift Froakie and Togepi, it's best if we don't list their illegal moves as event moves; that could create confusion. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
==Winstrate Vicky's Meditite and Norman's Linoone==
It is level 18 and knows [[Hi Jump Kick]] which Meditite doesn't normally learn until level 32 in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. Is a move at the wrong level? In Pokémon Colosseum is one of its purified moves. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 04:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
:It's possible to breed a Meditite with Hi Jump Kick (so hatching at level 5 in Gen III) if both parents know it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
::I see. And about Norman's Linoone in Emerald? Zigzagoon cannot learn [[Slash]]. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 03:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
:::That would be an example. I've added it to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
== On Aerodactyl and Dragonite ==
Shouldn't they be a former error? Other error pages have former error sections, so... [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 11:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:Unless an old game is updated (not talking about remakes), it is not possible for an error to become a "former" error like it may for the anime, manga, or TCG. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
::As the page stands, we do list if a move became (or formerly was) learnable by the Pokémon, but the error is still in the game where it is impossible, so it stays in the errors section. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
== Regarding Moltres's Leer Error Status ==
It doesn't seem like Leer Moltres should be listed on this page. In Japan, "Leer Moltres" has become an internet meme of sorts, lamenting Moltres for learning the move in Gen I at the same level Articuno learns Blizzard and Zapdos learns Thunder. Considering the PWT download tournament gave Moltres the move deliberately to reference this, does it really qualify as an "error"? [[User:Desupisaro|Desupisaro]] ([[User talk:Desupisaro|talk]]) 06:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:It would as a player cannot own a Moltres with the move in that Generation legally.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
== Nobody mentioned Blissey with Reflect? ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKwfi-3Tss
Although Chansey can in RBY, there's no way for Blissey to have it in XD. I'd add it myself, but I'm afraid of breaking the table. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so I thought that area was just gray because it was highlighting the change. I was wrong. I'll try to fix that now. Also, I tried to upload this image, but it wouldn't let me. [http://i.imgur.com/6DuedHN.png] [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Never mind; Cold beat me to it. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Bonsly

Er, should we really include Bonsly just because it's using a move one generation before its (Bonsly's, I mean) official debut? On that note, there's a Machamp in one of the Battle CDs that can use Swords Dance. I'll try to find more details. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 13:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, including Bonsly's Rock Slide is comparable to adding every move used by Harrison's Blaziken/Kecleon, May's Munchlax, James's Mime Jr. and Brock's Bonsly and the others here.--Den Zen 13:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Completely agree. Bonsly can learn Rock Slide after it is available in-game. --SnorlaxMonster 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Moves at the wrong level

Should we list moves that Pokémon can learn, but cannot know at their level? For example, a user recently added Winona's Altaria for Dragon Dance. If we do, they should certainly be in a separate section to the rest of them, like the illegal combinations are. --SnorlaxMonster 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I've moved Altaria to its own section, are there any others that need added? XVuvuzela2010X 19:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Guardian Signs skills

I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --SnorlaxMonster 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

A little late, but I agree. For all we know, they are simply using Fling, or even just throwing them without any sort of attack being involved. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 02:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I got rid of the "rock throw", but I think Bronzor using Teleport should stay, I don't think there is a difference between Teleport and 'teleporting'. IMO, it would be the same as saying, for example, the Bellsprout in DP134 is just absorbing the foe's energy, instead of using Absorb. XVuvuzela2010X 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Mainspace?

Is there any reason why this page should not yet be mainspaced? It looks all right to me. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 00:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Goldeen's Splash in Smash Bros?

In the Smash Bros series, Goldeen used Splash when sent out, despite being unable to learn that move by any means. Should it be added? Berrenta (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Rayquaza's Dig

In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Rayquaza attacks by using Dig, which it can't learn in the games. - unsigned comment from Squirtle drink (talkcontribs)

Just checked the appropriate pages to make sure, and it looks like a move error to me. Will add it. Berrenta (talk) 14:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon Stadium 2 Problems

I haven't played Stadium 2 in ages so I could be wrong but I think that there are mistakes in the raichu and the exeggutor. I believe that if you beat round 2 mode of Stadium 2 and brought pikachu with you in each battle, it rewarded you by letting you teach it surf. If that is the case then it would be possible to have a raichu with an egg move and surf. I also think that you could use TMs from RBY on a pokémon in a GSC game if you went to that place that you could move boxes and items around. I'm less sure on that one though because it was long before I bred for egg moves so I could be completely off base there. O76923 (talk) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Reversal and AncientPower were introduced in Generation II, so you can't trade Pokémon that know them to Generation I games.--Den Zen 09:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sidney's Shiftry

It is level 48 and knows Extrasensory which Nuzleaf doesn't normally learn until level 49. - unsigned comment from Gatogirl (talkcontribs)

After checking, I am able to confirm that it should not learn it that early. Also, since Seedot cannot learn it by breeding, I added it to the list. Thanks for catching that. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me ask you a question. Why didn't you add it yourself? I will admit that sometimes I bring something up in the discussion pages if I'm about to add something that's questionable. But since you know for a fact that's true and worthy, I don't see how you couldn't add it yourself. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Bruno's Exeggutor

Could we reword the sentence for Bruno's Exeggutor so it says it couldn't learn both AncientPower and Explosion simultaneously at the time, because since Gen III it's been possible to have an Exeggutor that legally knows both those moves. --Reliジーランス? 12:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Gen VI illegal move?

I noticed on Battle Chatelaine Evelyn's page, that her Entei knows Sacred Fire. If I have seen it correctly, shouldn't Ho-Oh be the only one with this move or do we have to wait to tell for this one? Frozen Fennec 02:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Since Entei is not currently available in Generation VI, we actually don't know if it can learn Sacred Fire. Until Poké Transporter is released, I think it is best to give the game the benefit of the doubt. --SnorlaxMonster 02:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Seeing as Pokémon Bank was released today, I guess we'll see soon enough if it's an illegal move eh? :P Frozen Fennec 19:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
It's been known for almost a day that Entei can now learn it.--Den Zen 19:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I thought it came out today, didn't know. Sorry. Frozen Fennec 20:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Entei

In that image of Bryce's Piloswine using Fury Attack, that's Entei on the defence isn't it? It doesn't match the G2 sprites given on Entei's page, but it sure looks like Entei's G3 backsprites. Did it have a different back sprite in Crystal that Entei's page doesn't have on record? Bug Catcher Wade 08:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's its Crystal sprite. We are currently working on to update the sprite template so that it can have all the sprites.--Den Zen 09:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Victory Road Flygon

In Pokémon Black/White 2, I might get the level wrong, but you have to trust me. I fought a Flygon in Victory Road that hit my Flygon with Dragon Claw at level 54, despite learning it at level 55.

He might have taught it via TM, but I'm just peeved off he beat up my Flygon that was the SAME EXACT LEVEL with a move that he doesn't learn naturally at the level. SuperLuigi9624 (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not unusual at all for regular trainers to use TM moves, even if they'd be part of a learnset at a later level. It's otherwise not worth putting in this article. Chicobo329 (talk) 03:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Really now? I never noticed any out-of-the-blue TM moves. Probably because I'm always so overleveled and one-shot them. But, isn't the TM for that located at Dragonspiral Tower? It's out of place. But I'm still angry at that trainer. SuperLuigi9624 (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

TM02 is in Victory Road in BW. --Jdthebud (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Never mind, I mistook your game for BW when it was BW2. --Jdthebud (talk) 09:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Fairy Wind Gardevoir

Should it be in this article since they probably changed it before they released the game. Ellis99 (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

They did, but I still think it is interesting to note. --SnorlaxMonster 08:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Rumble World

Since the Froakie and Togepi were, in fact, gifts, should their moves be considered event moves in the vein of 15th Anniversary Rayquaza's V-create and Shiny Entei's Flare Blitz? - Chosen of Mana 13:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The main difference is that the event Pokémon were distributed for the main games with the move in question. As for the Gift Froakie and Togepi, it's best if we don't list their illegal moves as event moves; that could create confusion. Berrenta (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Winstrate Vicky's Meditite and Norman's Linoone

It is level 18 and knows Hi Jump Kick which Meditite doesn't normally learn until level 32 in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. Is a move at the wrong level? In Pokémon Colosseum is one of its purified moves. NeoCrimson 04:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

It's possible to breed a Meditite with Hi Jump Kick (so hatching at level 5 in Gen III) if both parents know it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I see. And about Norman's Linoone in Emerald? Zigzagoon cannot learn Slash. NeoCrimson 03:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
That would be an example. I've added it to the page. --SnorlaxMonster 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

On Aerodactyl and Dragonite

Shouldn't they be a former error? Other error pages have former error sections, so... Trainer Yusuf (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Unless an old game is updated (not talking about remakes), it is not possible for an error to become a "former" error like it may for the anime, manga, or TCG. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
As the page stands, we do list if a move became (or formerly was) learnable by the Pokémon, but the error is still in the game where it is impossible, so it stays in the errors section. --Abcboy (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Moltres's Leer Error Status

It doesn't seem like Leer Moltres should be listed on this page. In Japan, "Leer Moltres" has become an internet meme of sorts, lamenting Moltres for learning the move in Gen I at the same level Articuno learns Blizzard and Zapdos learns Thunder. Considering the PWT download tournament gave Moltres the move deliberately to reference this, does it really qualify as an "error"? Desupisaro (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

It would as a player cannot own a Moltres with the move in that Generation legally. --Super goku (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Nobody mentioned Blissey with Reflect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKwfi-3Tss

Although Chansey can in RBY, there's no way for Blissey to have it in XD. I'd add it myself, but I'm afraid of breaking the table. Unowninator (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC) Okay, so I thought that area was just gray because it was highlighting the change. I was wrong. I'll try to fix that now. Also, I tried to upload this image, but it wouldn't let me. [1] Unowninator (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC) Never mind; Cold beat me to it. Unowninator (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)