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Talk:Froakie (Pokémon)

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It's suggested that the name comes from Frog and Croak. While this is possible, it would be strange for it to not reference water in some way. Another possible pair of words for it to come from is Frog and Soak. The "ie" could be just a diminutive, of course. Aielyn (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Design Origin

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a tree frog? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Or a poison dart frog? --Doggy567123 (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally don't see that. Besides isn't that what Croagunk is based off of? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

    I guess so, but, I've done a little research about them, and I think Froakie looks like one. --Doggy567123 (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Croagunk is based off of a toad, not a frog CoolDudeAl - additionally all toads are poisonous. But I would agree that it should be included that Froakie resembles some sort of frog, but despite its resemblence to tree frogs and dart frogs I think it's too early to determine that exactly. For now, it should simply be said that "Froakie appears to be based on a blue frog." (and yes, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOADS AND FROGS. Nintendo101 (talk) 23:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Croagunk is based off of a poison dart frog, according to its origin on this site. Besides, we can never determine what the creator of the Pokemon used for inspiration, unless they explicitly tell us, so we just have to go with our best educated guess as a group. Assuming they did I halfway decent job with the design, we should be able to figure out what they were going for. Finally, I never said their wasn't a difference between frogs and toads (a primary one is toads are more land dwellers, while frogs prefer being in the water more), but, regardless, I do think Froakie is based on a frog (specifically of the tree variety), so I'm not arguing against you there. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Name Origin

Froth (as in to bubble) could also be a possibility for the English name. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Considering that the French name is partially derived from "mousse" and it would be odd to have a double animal name derivation rather than say an animal name and a water reference, I'll bet it really is "froth" + "croak" too --Joec (talk) 20:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

How about Frog + Soak/Croak + Soapy? AmaranthSparrow (talk) 21:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
How about "frost" + "croak"? Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
There has been no indication that Froakie is at all part ice type and I don't know why people come to this conclusion; its Japanese name doesn't even mention ice or cold of any kind. Until we see evolutions or possibly a moveset it is most likely not named after frost, sorry. - 050294 (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone else notice that Froakie's Japanese name, Keromatsu, sounds like Kermit, as in Kermit the Frog? - unsigned comment from Personman42 (talkcontribs)

Frog + Croak + ie suffix. The end. Scarabola (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Froakie's Possible Origins

Just posting this in the discussion in case people may have problems with this: Froakie's inspiration seems to be based upon a few factors, most notably its foam pouch is based upon various species of frogs whom create foam nests for their eggs to keep safe in. These foam nests are formed from the frog's behinds and, while creating them, eventually envelop the backs of the parent frogs, hence the backpack resemblance Froakie's foam pack has and why it is located upon its back. This seems to also match up with Froakie's japanese name, as it contains matsu which translates to bubble or foam. Here's an example image of a frog and its foam nest. Unfortunately, I am not quite sure which exact species of foam nest making frogs Froakie may have been based on.

Now then, onto the origin of the white round dots upon its face. These dots, coupled with the foam pouch and white glove-like markings it has seems to indicate that Froakie's possible origin is that of the image of Japanese folklore thieves and robbers, an example drawing of said thief/robber design can be seen here. The foam backpack of sorts upon Froakie resembles that of the thief's furoshiki, a japanese cloth bag seen on the image of said thief that they carry their loot in. The dots resemble the ends of another furoshiki tied upon the thief's nose, used as a mask of sorts to hide the thief's/robber's identities. The gloves are also simply a sort of thief/robber general stereotype as well. This seems to indicate that Froakie may posisbly end up as a dark type upon evoluton; this guessing of type, however, is just pure speculation on my part. - 050294 (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I think he looks a bit more... professorial than that. The little blobs look more like glasses than a knot. They're not attached to anything, for a start. Plus, I don't think many thieves wear white. I reckon they're meant to resemble pince-nez. Big, white, flowing hair on the back, like a professor, or a composer, or a judge. Could be wrong, though! You might be entirely right - and it's a great spot of research either way, fun read! Constantmotion (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually the dots are "connected" to the pouch via the blue stripe upon its head which lead down its back. This I feel, for this specific Japanese robber image, is pretty fitting considering the openness of their furoshiki masks and perhaps the one stripe being the only connector may have simply been implemented just to emphasize this trait. Also, I wouldn't take color into origin consideration. Pokemon don't necessarily have to be matching the origin with color. Sometimes with specific references, like in delibird's case, correct colors are vital. However, most Pokemon are either colored in bright, odd colors or ones that match with it's typing: Froakie being blue not because of the thief origin but rather because of it's water typing, like how Heatmor is bright red like fire instead of normal anteater colors. Also, thank you for the compliment! I really enjoy analyzing things. So origins, or at least their speculations and research, are my specialty! - 050294 (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that stripe is just decoration, and Froakie is based off of Ben Franklin or another scientist. (O++O) Dralcax (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

How does it resemble Ben Franklin or scientists at all? For one thing not all have white hair and the second thing is that the white extensions are based upon foam, not hair. With this same insane logic, one could say Swablu and Altaria somehow resemble scientists as well because of their fluffy white bodies, and that's just insane. Sorry, but unless an evolution's name has a scientist in it or any bit of scientist design inspiration than this origin claim is just incredibly ludicrous. - 050294 (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It's too early to know what else Froakie was based on (besides a frog), I think his evolutions will help us figure it out, but so far I've seen everything from a burglar to a prince, and from a scientist to an aristocrat, and I don't think debating it will help, because at this point I can see where all of these are coming from, and without further information (like his evolutions), we aren't going to come to a conclusive answer. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Ability

If the gender rate is already put in as the norm for all starters, shouldn't the ability (torrent) be put in too? - unsigned comment from Thesimplelife12345 (talkcontribs)

The gender rate is just there because there HAS to be a gender ratio, otherwise the template breaks. But we can exclude abilities without breaking the template. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, you can set the gender ratio to 256 and it makes it appear as "Unknown". I have done so. --SnorlaxMonster 05:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Aha! Thank you, Snorlax! Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)