Talk:Cilan's Pansage

can someone change the pic to Dent Yanappu?--Burgundy 19:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

And the caption from Dent and Yanappu to Yanappu?--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 19:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

plz can people edit this page, the whole Leer thing is over and I need to edit it plz Roryrules123 16:51 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Could an Admin remove extra の from infobox?--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 11:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Recently used moves!

As of BW009, which is the latest pokemon episode. Yanappu has used Bullet Seed and Solarbeam while fighting the wild Pendra, but when i add that blue cross that shows that a move has been used recently, someone keeps deleting it. Why??? User:TheBlackPokemonMaster

Admins made a new rule that state that if a move was used within 10 episodes since the most recent episode then it's considered "Recently used". That's why; all the moves Yanappu has used are considered recent. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 17:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

then why doesn't any of the moves have the "blue cross" next to them. User:TheBlackPokemonMaster

"A † shows that the move was used recently, unless all moves fit this case. " That's why. —♥ Jello^talk 21:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

oh yeah, i forgot. Thanks for reminding me :-) User:TheBlackPokemonMaster

To be honest, that part should be made bold, like this, so people don't overlook it. -I Liek Gengarz! _{Do Joo Liek Dem?} 19:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Bullet Seed and Bite

OK I could be wrong about this but didn't Yanappu first use these two moves in BW004??? I know he used solarbeam in BW005 but the other two were used sooner no??RBK 00:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Yanappu nor Dent appeared in BW004. All moves were first used in BW005. --ケンジのガール 00:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

lol sorry my bad I got mixed up.RBK 00:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Bullet Seed or Seed Bomb?

Wait, which one it knows? First one is written in the History section, while the second - in the Moves table. --ЫъГЬ 12:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Bullet seed, whoever editted must be trolling Ataro 13:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Dig

Just curious as to why it was deleted that Yanappu used dig for the first time from the history section?? I would think it was important especially since if I'm not mistaken, it used it to help find the hermit crab in the BW011. If I'm mistaken then I'm sorry but I don't think it was hurting anybody by saying it used dig for the fist time. I'm not saying it learned dig I'm saying it used it for the first time as far as we know.RBK 06:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the point of pointing it out. Lot's of Pokémon are seen using moves for the first time but we don't point them out. --ケンジのガール 06:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

We mentioned the move in its respective section and even though it was the first, it didn't help much and is not that important (no offense, just saying (: ). We'll get a lot more episodes for Yana to add the stuff. So, chill pill ;) ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 06:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Didn't it use it twice in the episode to help Dent with something? If it helps in the episode isn't it conciderd important? Also it has been mentioned on other pages when a pokemon uses a move for the first time so why is it different here?RBK 07:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Male?

Where the proof that it's male? Did Ash's Snivy use Attract on it or something? --Netto-kun ^{Talk • Contribs} 14:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

This. Mamepato is female and their movesets are exactly same as in anime.----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 14:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should post it just yet. Just like we do not post an evolution untill it happens in the anime, just incase the in game clones happen to be slightly different for some unknown reason.--EpicShadow 15:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put Male (confirmed in game counterpart only), and the same for Kibago, if we can't just put male (Though I think if it was unconfirmed, the Pokémon would just be made to hatch with a random gender) MAMOSWINEPwnz! (TaleOfTheToaster) 20:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, because we put also dub confirmations, which aren't Japanese, unlike the game event.----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 20:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Dent's Yanappu > Dent's Pansage

Could somebody move this page to Dent's Pansage? After all, that is the English name. magikarp123193 20:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not confirmed so we are not adding it. Sorry --Pokemaster97 20:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, we'd have to move it again when Dent's name is revealed (though, I'm also annoyed by the fact how Bulbapedia denies those monkey names). --Maxim 21:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was confirmed. I was under the impression that the boxes are viewable in GameStop and that multiple people have confirmed that the names are real. In fact, I'm going to GameStop on Monday to download Raikou and preorder B/W, so I'll be able to look for myself. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 02:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Redirect?

Since you are appearing to use the english names now I'm asking for confirmation to start creating redirects for pages any objections? --Pokemaster97 21:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Or should I just move them to the new pages? --Pokemaster97 22:00, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not move 'em? The English names are confirmed --Chiramii *** Talk 12:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

new move

a:file:pansage new move.png What kind od attack?Pawel10s 10:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Very likely Rock Tomb, but we decided to not add it because we're not 100% sure what move it is.--電禅Den Zen 10:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

This may Seed Bomb, although this is unlikely.Pawel10s 14:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Protected Template request

Can you put a protected template due to the fact it may evolve in Bw070? --Chowolun 13:13, 26 February 2012 (UTC) User:Lucario985

Movie 15 says it won't. -tc²₆tc26- 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Movie posters aren't exactly proof that a Pokémon won't evolve, though. If memory serves, a poster was changed to reflect Treecko evolving before the movie, wasn't it? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 13:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I've never found/seen that poster. But anyways, the ending confirms that Pansage won't evolve and furthermore, we know that the Simisage isn't Cilan's.--電禅Den Zen 13:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

As for movie posters, I don't recall the Treecko update one, but the only one I recall be updated was the M09 one being updated to show Aipom's capture. So for the most part they are usually accurate. --HoennMaster 17:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Concussion

Wasn't Pansage suffering concussion when he got hit by a rock? - unsigned comment from Grabbergirl (talk • contribs)

No. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 03:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

You don't know the symptoms!!! It includes dizziness, head ache, nausea, and vomiting. Pansage looked dizzy and nauseated. It's caused when you get in the head too hard and the brain swells. My mom told me about it. Who works at a hospital. So it is concussion without with it being shown different. - unsigned comment from Grabbergirl (talk • contribs)

I don't see why it has to be anything specific. My brother's smashed his finger before and felt dizzy and disoriented for example. Cilan said Pansage had a fever. Fever isn't a symptom of a concussion. Not to mention concussions are typically immediate, if I remember correctly. Pansage was fine until dinner when he passed out. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it is fiction, so it doesn't have to be anything specific. Not to mention Pokémon don't have the same anatomy as humans, not to mention they could have completely different symptoms and diseases. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 00:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

It's like squeezing a baby lizard it can die. My teacher and I were comparing humans to Pokemon. But still what is it whatever it is it something that has to do with the brain swelling slowly (well he had a stroke, strokes is kinda passing out) what metacal problem causing the brain to swell up slowly and give you a stroke and high fever? I think something mighta gone out temporary like hearing or sight (stuff like that can cause hearing, sight, even your memory to go out temporary). My mom works at a hospital and I'm interested in behaviours and metical issues. But love Pokemon. Grabbergirl ♥ ★ (talk) 01:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Speculation does not belong on the article. You're speculating on what happened to Pansage based on evidence specifically regarding humans in the real world. The Pokémon world is not the real world and Pansage are not human. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 01:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Anime Gender

When exactly was Pansage confirmed male? I've watched every BW episode just to make sure, but I don't remember anything using Attract on it or anyone referring to it as a "he" or "him" even in the dub. GamerGeek 00:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe we decided that the event anime Pokémon count as reliable sources for information. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 00:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not so sure; even if the event Pansage is always male, I don't think it necessarily applies to the anime as well, particularly since event Pokemon are rarely ever identical to their anime counterparts (such as the various legendaries I got from Toys R'Us).

Personally, I'd suggest changing Pansage's gender to Unknown (confirmed male in the games) or something to that effect until there's actual, 100% concrete proof of it in the anime itself, just to be on the safe side. I suppose it could be left as-is, but you never know, especially since the anime should've confirmed it by now, but has somehow managed to avoid it. GamerGeek 01:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I just checked the history. KG put it as male because of the event, and in BW009, Iris calls Pansage and Cilan "gentlemen" (it might just be in the original. I haven't watched the dub in a while.) ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 01:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

They also mention 'having to pretend Pansage is a girl' in BW098 Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 02:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The reference is also in the dub, and I was keeping that in mind, but I'm still a bit dubious, because I was thinking that it's just an umbrella term/expression. Iris only referred to Cilan and Pansage as "gentlemen" since it would be pretty redundant to say "lady(ies) and gentleman(men)" unless when addressing a large group of people (kinda like in Spanish, where the plural masculine pronoun is always used when there is at least one male within a group of people, regardless of how many females there are, if any).

As for the original (of that episode as well as BW098), I can't really say anything about that, because I don't understand a single word in Japanese, and fansubs are rarely 100% accurate. GamerGeek 05:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, just looked over a few other things, and here's a better explanation: Pachirisu's central head stripe appears to be of the male length, yet Dawn regularly dresses it in cheerleader outfits. Unlike Pikachu's (among the other male Pokémon) clearly expressed dislike of wearing maid outfits in the DP Miltank episode, Pachirisu didn't appear to have a problem with "crossdressing." To top it off, Pachirisu was never referred to by a certain gender (to the best of my knowledge at least). That pretty much debunks the point made by BW098.

In a more similar scenario, Brock's Onix/Steelix is always male in the games, and much like Pikachu and Meowth, it's referred to as male on multiple occasions in the anime (at least in the dub; again, I can't say anything about the original). Pansage was identified as male only once (which is BW009, as noted above).

In short, while there is evidence that points to it, there's no real 100% proof which confirms that Pansage is male in the anime. Compared to a majority of the other Pokémon owned by main characters, I don't see why Pansage should be treated differently just because of some random one-time event (which is really outdated by now btw). So unless there's stronger evidence or someone comes up with a good argument(s) that Pansage is male, I suggest changing it to Unknown (confirmed male in the games), and if no case is made sooner or later, I'll change it myself. GamerGeek 01:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Iris had to made him appear like a girl in BW098. If Pansage was female, she wouldn't have bothered sticking a bow on him. Just like they stuck the heart shape on Pikachu's tail Iris and Ash didn't do something like that to Emolga and Snivy who are confirmed female Pokémon. You can't compare it to Dawn's cheerleader outfits because she did it to all her Pokémon regardless of gender. The rest of the evidence is also pretty solid if you ask me. --ケンジのガール 08:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, so maybe Dawn's cheerleader outfits weren't the best example (it was the only major one I could think of), but that wasn't the point. You also can't compare Iris's putting a bow onto Pansage's head to her sticking a heart on Pikachu's tail, because the tail is actually a clear indication of a Pikachu's gender. Pansage don't have any gender differences, so the bow's pretty irrelevant. Unlike Pikachu's tail, they could've easily left Pansage alone like Snivy and Emolga, and still convince everyone else that it's female. After all, Iris could've put the bow on Pansage for no special reason (such as her simply liking it, for example).

And while we're discussing Iris, she's the only one who ever referred to Pansage as male, and that was only once. Given how she likes to be a big know-it-all, it could've been just an assumption she made without her actually knowing what Pansage's gender is. Pansage is Cilan's Pokemon, and he himself never referred to Pansage by a specific gender (likewise, it was Iris who said that Krokorok is Axew's "big brother" and not Ash, but I'll save that for another discussion). GamerGeek 04:59, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, don't forget that Misty once imagined Pikachu wearing a dress; does that mean he's a girl? Of course not. Ash's female companions tend to have complete disregard for Pokémon genders, especially if it's not their own. Likewise, claiming that Ash's Krokorok is male just because Iris once affectionately referred to it as "Axew's big brother" is way too much of a stretch.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit too stubborn and/or one-sided, but I thought Bulbapedia has very strict guidelines when it comes to gender confirmation for Pokémon, so it just seems odd to me that we'd throw out the whole policy in this case. So again, are there any more arugments anyone can make in defense of Pansage being male. If not, I'm changing it to "Unknown" as well as Ash's Krokorok's, because this is ridiculous. GamerGeek 05:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

With all the evidence provided I'm still going to say it's male. Nothing has indicated otherwise. And I don't believe we "threw out" our guidelines when an in-game event based on the anime and a character confirmed it. --ケンジのガール 06:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I guess I'm fine to just leave it at that, even if it's just because I don't want to turn this into some big political debate, but it was something that I've been thinking about for some time, and I thought I'd need some clarification before I actually do anything. ☆GamerGeek☆ 23:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

One more thing, if the event is used as confirmation of its/his gender, wouldn't that also apply to Pansage's ability (Gluttony) as well? ☆GamerGeek☆ 03:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ability

I was recently looking at Stephan's Sawk's profile and noticed that the ability was put as confirmed by the nintendo event only. Wouldn't the same apply to Pansage too?? And the others of course. RBK (talk) 07:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

So what do you guys think??RBK (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

A little confusion

Ok, so help me to understand this. There is a character named Cilan, who uses a Pansage. He first appears in the games, then it appears in the anime, then in some mangas, ok. So what confuses me is why this page talks about a Pokémon's history from the anime, and simply includes other mediums below, shouldn't the main subject be Cilan's Pansage history in the games? By the way, this Pansage can only be found as a Simisage in the latest games, so this article should be changed to Cilan's Simisage, and the anime character's Pansage left to the "In the anime" section (or moved to "Cilan's Pansage (anime)", if it's so relevant). |) u |( e ® 18:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

This is an issue commonly discussed within the staff that we are currently trying to work out which 'medium' is more important. The issue with Pokémon however is that in games, other than their moves their just isn't that much to say besides what their moves are, and if you want that information, you're more likely to go to either Cilan's page directly or the Gym page. It is of my personal firm belief that the games should actually be moved to the bottom of the page as they bring no new information to the article. The anime and manga sections however bring character to the article, and given this characters prevalence in the anime, i'd say this is why it is listed first. In saying that this article is outdated if it doesn't mention Simisage. --Spriteit (talk) 01:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually strike that last bit about it being outdated, I'm not sure on this, were they stated to have evolved in the games? --Spriteit (talk)

It's evolved in BW2. I do think the title is fine since the page is primarily about anime!Cilan's Pansage, with other versions given a passing mention. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 02:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Moves

Could it be a fair trivia to mention that fact that Pansage seems to rotate his move set?? Bite has been brought back multiple times after he learned Rock Tomb.RBK (talk) 09:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)