Talk:Butch

According to Maddie Blaustein, Eric Stuart is Butch's VA. Eric Stuart even said so on his web site (or so I hear). Plus, in one of the Chronicles episodes where Butch appeared, Matt Mitler was not listed in the credits. He hasn't done voices for Pokémon since season one. --PAK Man

Rubbish article

Practically the ONLY important information in this article (not counting his Pokémon team) is that everyone gets his name wrong. Other than that, this article says NOTHING about character. I think it should be considered as a stub. Yeah, in the terms of length it meets the non-stub criteria. But in the terms of informativity, it does NOT! There are several more articles like this, that angers me. I'm basically not good at Anime Characters, so I can't add much to this article. But if you can, please do it. --Maxim 14:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Butch's Voice Its not an opinion

Since people are going play the Opinion card, here is a clip of Butch, then two clips of Pokémon video with Harvey Fierstein replacing the audio. There is some syncing issues.

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/yamitakashi/?action=view&current=BCHF09.flv

Yami 04:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

To me it sounds mildly similar, but it's hard to tell unless I listen closely, because of the tone. I don't think it's enough to warrant a trivia. Nevertheless, it is an opinion, regardless of my input. ~ solaris 05:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's the source files in order of their appearance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJpkBHjr-s Butch montage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QR7-X6KE4w Harvey (note age and other things does effect the voice)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imbp-PvBzPY

Yami 05:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Some results from gopgling "Harvey Fierstein and Butch Pokemon"

http://www.pokemopolis.net/rocket/rocketteam.htm

http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Mystery_Dungeon:_Team_Go-Getters_Out_Of_The_Gate!_(deleted_16_Aug_2008_at_19:47)

I fail to see how this is an opinion, that's like trying to say Meowth's Dub accent isn't a Brooklyn thing Yami 05:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, actually, that's an opinion too. ~ solaris 05:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Not to get off track, but how is that? Yami 05:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

they have similar voices, but not the same. trivia inclusion denied. -- MAGNEDETH 05:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yami. Quit bitching. Any comparison made to another thing is an opinion. Those sites you linked where this comparison is made are ALSO opinions. They're fan sites. Opinions, speculation, comparisons...whatever...cannot go in articles. Period. -Sketch 11:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Email Butch's VAs. If they say they were asked specifically to voice like Fierstein, then it's good to go. If they were asked to just do a low, raspy voice, then no. My bet's on the director asking the latter of them. TTEchidna 23:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it civil Sketch, there is no need for that.

There are multiple comparisons on here, comparing Nidoran♀ with shinny Nidoran♂ is an opinion. Comparing Squirtl's tail with a squirrel is an opinion. Even comparing the names of rocket duos to old west figures is an opinion if we use your logic.

Also I doubt Eric would e-mail me back. I once got a e-mail back from Veronica Taylor who gave me some e-mail addresses to e-mail and complain about the voice change. However, I doubt a man who's not did that voice in 3-4 maybe 5 years would remember the voice, or the inspirational. Yami 13:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Except the duos are actual names of real people if you haven't noticed. And they're all criminals. Squirtle's tail is part of the psysiology. And I changed the Nidoran trivia so you'd quit finding crappy examples of opinion... Also, Butch was in a recent episode. The one where we meet Hippopotas' dad, remember? R.A. Hunter Blade 14:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

*Most of those figures were villains, and technically that's an opinion to call them that. Harvey Fierstein is a real person.

* Squrtle's tail is meant to look like a small wave, like Wartortle's Tail is meant to look like rapid waves. But even saying that is an opinion.

* You shouldn't have removed the Ninoran stuff. You're not suppose to edit things to prove a point or for personal battles. That's one of the few rules Bulbapedia shares with Wikipedia.

** Also how is that Ninoran♂ Trivia any different now then the Harvey Fierstein trivia? The wording on the Harvey Fierstein Trivia was

** "Butch's raspy voice and slight effeminate manner of speech is similar to that of Harvey Fierstein"

** Shiny Ninoran♂ is a whole different shade of blue then its female counterpart.

*That's the new voice actors, not the old one. The new one is only emulating the old voice actor. We'd have to contact Eric Stuart the original VO. Yami 16:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. You probably didn't even look to see what I did to the trivia did you? And a freaking "personal battle"? That's more of what you're having... because you're the only one who sees any of what you're saying as true. And I'm not the only one who's said something. Nothing personal about it for me, at least, not untill you start attacking me. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw you edit, you replaced based on with similar which makes it no less opinion then what the HF voice is being called. I didn't call this a personal battle, and I didn't attack you but you are doing a fine job of attacking me. You might want to calm down some. Yami 18:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)