"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..." I checked a few of my manuals:
- English Red: refers to him as "rival"
- English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
- Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
- Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"
So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --Meowth346
Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --greengiant
Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --Meowth346
Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - Ferret 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta
Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --Meowth346
Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? Fishman 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --ZellMurasame 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. TTEchidnaGSDS! 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)
Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2
Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2
Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2
BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. Satosuke 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
A few things
The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. tc26 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).
- Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. Satosuke 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. Gligar 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. Satosuke 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? Satosuke 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? Okoa 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
- I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. Satosuke 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Generation III Champion sprite
Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. Okoa 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
- True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --Maxim 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! Okoa 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? Gastlys mama 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)