Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

Movesets

Just a thought, should we add movesets to each Pokémon page? Maybe it could be a subproject. Also, should would add the Serebii.net Pokédex to the infobox? Should Move Tutor moves be on each Pokémon? -coppro

To Move List, we're getting there. But that's not a critical project yet, we have bigger things to do.

To Serebii dex, no, we only link to our affiliates. Serebii is not one of them, nor is his Dex all that accurate from personal experience.

To Move Tutor, yep. It counts as a learnable move. Evkl 00:37, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why don't we have Serebii as an affiliate? They've greatly improved their Dex recently, too. - hey-nahny-nahny-and-a-hey-ha-ha

If you knew about all the bad blood between myself (and by association, this site) and Joe (and by association, his site, Serebii.net), you wouldn't be asking that question. ^^; --Archaic 07:18, 4 October 2005 (CDT)

My mistake

Thanks for that! About the move tutor, I didn't see it on the bulba page the first time, but I see it now. My mistake! Coppro 00:42, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I can help with card text, if anyone needs. Mostly the older sets.--BJ

Pokémon Information

The Pokémon pages would benefit from information as a species. I am unsure how would be best to go about this. It's no secret that the best place to get information on a Pokémon from would be the game Pokédexes, now we could do a few things:

• Have subheadings for each Pokédex entry from games.
• Have a single long paragraph with the text from all the Pokédexes mushed together.
• Have a single long paragraph, totally re-written but taking bits of information from Pokédex entries.

I personally would go for the last one. What do you lot think? - Ferret 03:56, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why is no one replying to this to give their opinion? I believe individual species background is a very important part of Pokémon and what makes it special from other creature-training games. I did not want to go ahead and add things when it's not what is wanted or required. - Ferret 03:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Having no clue what you mean by it, I suggest you make a sample set of edits and see how people respond to it. - 振霖_T 04:09, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

First one should be included anyways, maybe third as well. Definitely not the second. - Jshadias 04:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zhen Lin: It should be obvious really, the Pokémon pages do not cover information about species themseleves yet, only statistical stuff and name origins, the first goal for the Pokédex Project is "Expand Pokémon pages to have at least a paragraph of information about a Pokémon, preferably background information on that Pokémon." I'm trying to bring up some ideas to help achieve this goal. - Ferret 04:41, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Movelists

Add all Generation III movelists to both /GenIII pages and the main page of a Pokémon.

Why put the same information in two places, especially when it is just going to be moved when Generation IV is released? - Jshadias 04:04, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ease of deletion--you don't need to move everything over with the advent of GenIV. evkl 10:34, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Infobox

Shouldn't Pokémon heights and weights from the game Pokédex be added to the InfoBox - MTC

I think you're right... hoo, boy, it's going to be fun adding all those heights and weights, though. Especially since there's the English feet-inches-pounds versus (what I believe is originally used) the good ol' metric system. --Pie 23:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Locations

Would you like me to add game locations to each Pokémon's page? Please tell me what you think of the table on the Pikachu page. Fabu-Vinny 12:51, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Anime information and Manga information

These headings should be something like "In the anime" and "In manga", similar to the current "In the TCG" header. - Jshadias 07:34, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

While on the topic of Anime Information, I'd like to see someone else besides me adding Anime Information more often. Please?--Pokencyclopedia 00:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Pokédex Data and TCG Pages

Already on it. Go check out my user page and see what all I've added in. I'd appreciate it if someone could put in the data that I haven't.

I think that each card should have its own page. I just want to know, how should we go about it? What should we name the pages, say something like Beedrill #17 (TCG) for the Base One Beedrill? --Doug teh H-Nut

As a Species?

What gives? If this project is meant to classify Pokemon as a species, then why doesn't it? There are stats, yes, but the Wikipedia page on Pikas doesn't list those facts, does it? Listen, I worked hard on a Pikachu entry for Wikipedia, as follows:

==Biology== A Pikachu (plural also Pikachu) is a ground-dwelling mammal belonging to a subspecies of [[rodent]]s including itself, it's evolutions, [[Plusle]], [[Minun]], and possibly undiscovered others, although pikachu are by far the most well known. Pikachu have short, yellow fur with brown stripes on its back, black-tipped ears, along with an unusually shaped tail, resembling a lightning bolt. They are often found in forests, plains, and occasionally near electrical sources, on most continents throughout the world. It is also a popular pet, and relatively easy to maintain, with little exercise necessary for it's well being, although periodic electric discharge is extremely important. Pikachu are known to have acute senses of hearing, thanks to its large ears. Most domestic pikachu are very intelligent, understanding and interpreting human [[speech]] at levels far surpassing those of any pet [[dog]]. Pikachu can be harmful [[pests]], eating and sometimes destroying telephone poles, wires, and other electronic equipment. In communities found near wooded areas, it is not uncommon for a pikachu to sometimes show up under or near houses, presumably attracted by the electrical output generated by the dwellers' appliances. ===Diet=== Living in wooded areas, pikachu often are found foraging for berries. Instead of climbing trees, they use small electrical shocks to release the berries from the tree, roasting them at the same time. As pets, they can be fed a variety of processed food, available at many pet stores. Alternatively, pikachu are tolerant to most "human" food, and sometimes enjoy it more then the more nutritional food designed for their biology. ===Electrical Abilities=== Exclusive to the Pikachu's subspecies is the obvious ability to release electric discharges of varying intensity, at will, through glandular pouches residing in its cheeks. These glands allow it to store and release a unique form of chemical energy, which can be released in bolts of lightning or [[ball lightning]] to defend itself from attackers, to cook food, to be used in battle, at the command from it's trainer, or in self-defense in the wild. Pikachu are rarely known to purposefully attack others besides the aforementioned, but particularly aggressive pikachu have been recorded. Pikachu often travel in packs, and are rarely territorial. However, when threatened, a group can generate an intense electrical offensive, and the electro-magnetic forces exerted by the resulting field can even produce a short lived, localized thunderstorm. As pikachu build up energy in their electricity glands, it is often needed to discharge, as to not result in a short, or worse, which can lead to physical [[Paralysis ]], or in severe cases, death. Pikachu release the built-up energy through their tail, which acts as a grounding rod, to safely remove unneeded energy. A sure sign to tell if a location is inhabited by pikachu (or a member of its subspecies) is to look for patches of burnt grass, which is the result of the discharge. Through an inability to release a buildup of electricity, a pikachu may develop a rare condition, very similar to the human [[flu]]. This illness is most often caused by strong nearby electro-magnetic forces, which severely impact the electric glands. If a pikachu is introduced to a magnet, it will be attracted towards its cheeks, and display other common attributes of [[magnetism]].

Good, no? I'd be willing to write comprehensive facts on every pokemon, but first, I must ask, is this acceptable, or are you fine with figures and charts? A disgrace, I say! Pokemon as a species means treating them as real, living creatures!

Again, I would be fine with writing articles like this on all pokemon, even if I was the only one writing them. Hell, I think I'd prefer it that way. So, would everyone be fine with that? I'm gonna go ahead and add this to Pikachu's Page, ok?

            Supermariorobot 04:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with it, and think it's great. The more the better, not everything has to be hard mechanical game information. It's the fluff that makes the Pokemon universe go 'round anyway. Surgo 04:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice. So, I guess I'm in charge of this? Or would I need to ralk to an Admin? Supermariorobot 04:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Like it's said on Wikipedia: be bold. Surgo 04:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

LET ALL KNOW THIS!!!! I, Supermariorobot, am in charge of writing Biological discription of Pokemon as a species! w007! Supermariorobot 04:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there somewhere I should put this on the site, besides here? Supermariorobot 04:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Not the worst idea we've ever had, but take note of some of the edits I've made on the Pikachu article itself. --Pie 05:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Type effectiveness

All Pokémon pages have a section called, "Type effectiveness". Currently the Template used for "Later versions" reflects "the average physical/special ratio". For Diamond and Pearl it has already been revealed that whether an attack is physical or special will be determined individually for each attack instead of based on what attack type it is. This means that the physical/special ratio no longer applies to type effectiveness. There needs to be another section that does not reflect the physical/special ratio. I would like to know how we should go about doing this. Drapion 00:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Style issues

Or Bulbapedia feng shui. Believe it or not, Bulbapedia was discussed in the #bulbagarden chat. Wow. Anyway, besides a general consensus that more useful information should be added than the Name origin information and the articles really need fleshing out in a lot of ways, some thoughts about the style of the Pokémon species articles came up, and since I have a backbone, I'm the one who's sharing what those thoughts were.

• Apparently, the Type effectiveness is not being well received. Others have told me it's ugly and not particularly informative. Why was it added? Does it need to be kept, or could it be removed, or replaced with a more stylish alternative?
• The Name origins are not being considered particularly factual, interesting, useful information either. These may be better moved down to the Other information section, perhaps even as two subsections under Trivia (since, despite the fact that it's unrelated to the name, speculation on design inspirations are usually included under Name origin).
• Appearances may fit better before the Game information, rather than after. In general, it will help the flow of articles if sections with tables are moved below sections with text.

The majority of these are not my own suggestions, though I understand the thought process behind each point and think that this major reorganizing is worth consideration, particularly since I've just started working to organize the articles anyway. --Pie 08:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I think should be done: The RBY Type Effectiveness section should be removed, because the information is only useful to a small number of people. If that's too extreme for some people, then a small section detailing the differences in RBY should be added as part of the current Type Effectiveness section. Secondly, the Type Effectiveness sections should not take into account the physical/special ratio because it won't apply in Diamond/Pearl, and because Pokémon with lower special defense have bars that extend far beyond the edge of the page. Drapion 15:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

That's certainly true. I mean, one only has to take a look at Rhyhorn's type effectiveness section to see the problem with the current style. Perhaps we should only indicate x1/4, x1/2, x2, and x4 type effectivenesses, and then how more or less effective a physical attack is compared to a special attack - if anyone still can't figure out which attacks would be best for them to use, then clearly they need to start using a calculator more frequently. (Which, conveniently enough, will be part of the Pokétchi or whatever it's called.) --Pie 19:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Style issues take 2

All right, the revised layout has been up on the project page for a while. Now, does anyone have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding this layout? If no one has any changes they'd like to see to this layout, I think it's about time we set to work organizing all the articles and adding in the appropriate sections. --Pie 23:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Last call for comments. Otherwise, reorganization will begin. --Pie 23:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Evo boxes

I think we should standardize the sprites that we put there, perhaps changing all of them to ###.png, since we know the National Dex numbers to them all now. Then, it'd be easier to do, or even to use the images on userpages for the teams, like I do. Plus, I've noticed we need to get images for all 493 of them now. I've set up a template, Template:sp, which sets a sprite at (whatever is linked after the vertical pipe).png. For example, you could do {{sp|001}}, and you'd come up with the sprite for Bulbasaur, Template:Sp.

It'd work well, too, for Pokémon we haven't got numbers for yet, when Generation V comes around... All you'd need to do is input the name instead, then change the sprite to a number-based one when the National numbers were revealed.

Also, are we going to change all of the sprites that we have for RSE to DP ones now for all of the oldies as well as having DP sprites for the new guys? Tom Temprotran 08:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think there's that much of a graphical difference between the GBA and DS sprites, but if anyone wants to take the time doing it - feel free. A lot of Pokemon are actually missing evo boxes and sprites, actually. That and level-up moves seem to be the things missing from the most pages. --Zeta 08:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I personally would like that entire archive revamped. Every single DS Pokemon sprite, both genders (where applicable, if not, then all the females mostly), all in PNG format. Right now, it's incomplete... I'd be glad to help if we undertake such a little image project. MK 10:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we should go for the DS sprites. There is a difference, and you can see it when you compare the sprites of the larger ones - the GBA sprites are 64x64, while the DS sprites are 80x80. The larger sprites means an improved quality. (Changing the evo-chart boxes might be a good idea, though, since they're constructed with the smaller 64x64 sprites in mind.)

Also, standardization and templates are good. The less sloppy Bulbapedia is, the better. --Pie 18:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I put up the Houndour and Houndoom sprites from pearl/ diamond if you want to see how it looks in the boxes. --Link3710 October 8 0:50

Now, the real issue: do we take the animated versions? Do we do the second or first frame? I noticed that for most of the sprites we take the second frame of the Emerald ones.

Also, we'll need to take a roll call of those still in need of the evoboxes, then those still in need of sprites, and some of the Shin'ō natives still don't have their National number, or Shin'ō number (if it's applicable) in their box.

...I also have to wonder, is it possible to introduce past sprites to the articles? Like, for Charizard's article, having all of the sprites so far, including animated ones for Crystal, Emerald, and D/P? That way, when a new version comes out, we can just move the previous sprites to that old sprite section. Tom Temprotran 02:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

We've considered having sprite sections before, I think, but never decided on the best way to do it. As for finding out who needs what, there's only one easy way to do it - go through each article one by one... --Pie 02:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I fully support having a "Sprites and Other Artwork" section on every Pokemon's page near the bottom featuring a collection of Sugimori artwork from every gen they've been in, all the sprites, and line-art or screen-caps from the anime where applicable. --Zeta 05:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sprite suggestion

I don't know WHY we used the second frame/Emerald's, as some of them look pretty bad intermediate sprites. What we should do is make a sprite archive, separate them into 4 subpages by Generation, and get every single sprite, the GBC versions for the old ones, and name them as follows:

• The first 2 letters could be the generation and version, the next 3 the number, then a 'b' if a back sprite, if we have those, and an 's' at the end if shiny Example:
  • Japanese Red/Green would be '1g'
  • Japanese Blue/English Red/Blue would be '1b'
  • Yellow version's sprites would be '1y'
  • Gold would be '2g', Silver '2s', Crystal's animations '2c'
    • A Charmander from Japanese Red would be '1g004'
    • A Bulbaaur from Gold would be '2g001'
    • A Shiny Squirtle from Silver would be '2s007s'
    • An Unown from Crystal in the form of B would be '2c201-B'
• For Gen III:
  • Ruby and Sapphire's 'rs'
  • FireRed and LeafGreen's 'fl'
  • Emerald's animations: 'em'
    • A Shiny Unown from Emerald in the from of a '?' (_ for the ?) would be 'em201-_s'
    • An Attack Deoxys from FireRed would be 'fl386-A'
• And for Diamond and Pearl:
  • First 2 letters would be 'dp', then the next 3 the number '###', then an 'm', 'f', or 'g' for the gender, a 'b' if a back, and an 's' if it's shiny.
    • Male Venusaur: 'dp003m'
    • Female Shiny Mr. Mime: 'dp122fs'

If this sounds too complicated, or just stupid, please comment XP. Note that I will help this project if it's decided we do it, I'm good at wiki-formatting, and can really help with the sprites. Oh, and by the way, the animated sprites are going to be ripped soon. Cheers. MK 07:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a complex code, but a comprehendable one, assuming we type up a guide for it and add it to some sub-page of the Project Pokédex page - even I had a bit of trouble following it as a list. ^^o Also, I think perhaps "sprite" or even just "spr" should be added to the front of the names, just in case someone looking over the filenames such as in the Recent Changes doesn't look over the list and just think "Bzuh?" Descriptive filenames are usually good. --Pie 18:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

What about all the pokemon that don't get new sprites in Fire Red/Leaf Green? Also Gold and Silver backs are the same so you only need to have one. --Link3710 22:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with 'spr', Pie. Link3710: The Gold and Silver sprites were indeed different, and we wouldn't add duplicates for the sprites that are the same in FireRed/LeafGreen. Only the first 151 and Teddiursa (for some reason) were changed from R/S/E. MK 23:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The fronts were different for Gold and silver sprites but not the backs just check it out if you have both. So is the code going to be sprgg###esb-x where g=game #=national dex number e=gender s=shiny b=back and x=anything else?

Yes, and I believe Crystal used the same back sprites as well.

• spr(gg)(###)[e][b][s][-x].png

MK 16:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)