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Do [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and [[Pokémon XD|XD]] randomize Shadow Pokémon's IVs and Natures each time one of these Pokémon is encountered? Or these atributes are only generated the first time and they remain static for a given Pokémon for the remainder of the game (be it rematches if the Pokémon faints during the first encounter)? Does technical evidence about this matter exist?
Do [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and [[Pokémon XD|XD]] randomize Shadow Pokémon's IVs and Natures each time one of these Pokémon is encountered? Or these atributes are only generated the first time and they remain static for a given Pokémon for the remainder of the game (be it rematches if the Pokémon faints during the first encounter)? Does technical evidence about this matter exist?
:Shadow Pokémon are only generated the first time. Their [[personality value]] and [[IV]]s are saved to the memory (offset?) upon encounter, because the [[Snag List]] uses these values in conjunction with the species of the Pokémon to keep track of their status and location. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 01:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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Spading (from the Bartle Test) is the act of actively trying to learn about all aspects of a game. To that end, this page will contain a list of questions about the games that need to be researched, and will probably contain a list of answers for historical purposes.

There is a template for spading: Template:Spading. It is to be placed on the front page. Unless people start to dislike that, in which case it will belong on the talk page. Usage details are in the template page.

Note: Since it doesn't really matter, this talk page can be used as a less formal way of doing spading.

Multiple generations

Randomness of specific pokemon

I've noticed that though stats and nature of pokemon obtained as a prize at game corners are random (at least in fire red) their gender and ability remain the same, no matter how many times I try. Personality values as described in its page are stored as a single 32 digit number and randomized upon the pokemon being "created", does this then mean that on occasion it's not treated completely at random? If so, when? What pokemon have part of their personality values fixed?


Status: Answered

How is damage from confusion determined? Attack and defense stats both influence it, but is there a base power like normal attacks?

  • Answer: Smogon says that it's a 40-power move.


Status: Answered

Can you Mimic Sketch?

  • Answer: No, you can't. Right since Generation II, it just says that "But it failed!".


Status: Answered

What is the accuracy of Protect after used once or more times in succession?

  • Answer: Reduced by 50%. A detailed version available at the Protect/Detect page.


Status: Answered

In Generations I, II, and III, is ghost physical or special? The current page says it is physical, but Shadow Ball lowers special defense in previous generations, so why would it be physical?

  • Answer: This is just the effect of the move. It is programmed that Shadow Ball lowers special defense, and this has nothing to do with the nature of the move. Oh, and it is physical by the way.


Some questions appear on the Talk page for Transform. These three have not been adequately answered:

  • What happens when a Transformed Pokémon uses Baton Pass?
  • In which generations does Transform fail to copy a foe during the semi-invulnerable turns of Dig, Fly, Bounce, etc?
  • What happens when a Transformed Pokémon uses Sketch?

Yenreb 04:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Same effect as normal. It uses Baton Pass and all stat changes, substitutes, etc. transfer over to the new Pokémon. Transformed state does not transfer over.
  • Fails in IV, dunno about I-III.
  • It fails.
TTEchidna 23:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
To answer the second question, it fails in III and IV but it will transform into the opponent in generation I-II. ShinyGlaceon 16:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Serene Grace

Does Serene Grace work in conjunction with held items such as King's Rock? --Chromehawk 23:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

  • No. Items are calculated in after abilities are. if the King's Rock was calculated in beforehand, moves with a 30% chance of flinching normally would have a finishing calculation of 102%. It is calculated abilities, then items.


Take Down

What happens if both the user and the opponent faint using this move, and it is both Trainers' last Pokémon? Who wins? TheTigerBuddy 19:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd assume competitively it would count the same as a self-fainting caused by Destiny Bond or Explosion (the loser is the one who used it), but game coding, I've got no idea.
If it happens in any in-game battles, include Battle Tower/Frontier matches, you lose regardless who used that recoil move. As for Wi-Fi/LAN battles, it probably counts as a draw (same as Selfdestruct or Destiny Bond KO's). ~ Solarys 11:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The trainer whose Pokémon faints first is the loser. That's why Explosion faints the user before dealing damage in Generation V. 21:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Shuckle and Berry Juice

  • How long does it take a shuckle to convert a berry into berry juice?
  • How long does it then take to convert berry juice into rare candy?
  • In which generations can berry juice and/or rare candies be obtained in this way?
  • Is obtaining rare candies from shuckles even possible at all, or is it just a rumor?
  • What kinds of berries can be converted into juice? Normal berries from Generation II can, of course, and the page for Oran Berries say that they can be converted as well. Are there any others?

And so forth. --Minimiscience 23:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

-It doesn't work in generation IV. I can say that for certain, as I tried and even after days, my Shuckle still held an Oran Berry. Last I heard, it takes 24 hours to get Berry Juice in generation II, then another 24 hours to get a Rare Candy. However, I can't say this for certain --Shadowater 01:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Drought Vs. Drizzle

When a Groudon, with Drought ability, and a Kyogre, with Drizzle ability, have a battle, does it rain or have bright sunlight? Do they cancel each other out? - unsigned comment from Redriders180 (talkcontribs)

The ability of the faster Pokémon is activated first, the ability of the slower Pokémon is activated second. The slower Pokémon's weather condition would be in effect for the battle. Werdnae (talk) 03:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I have another question; in double/triple battles, does the order in which the Pokémon are sent out affect which condition remains in effect?

No, only speed determines the remaining weather. Pikiwyn talk 23:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Critical Hits and Evasion

Critical Hits ignore stat changes that would be disadvantageous to the user, but does this include boosts to the foe's evasion and drops to the user's accuracy? If so, then in what generations?

According to the critical hit article, discrimination among stat changes only occurs when calculating damage, which accuracy & evasion have no effect on (unless there's some obscure move or ability that I don't know about). —Minimiscience 04:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Badges boosting stats

Apparently badges in Generations I-III boost stats. How do they boost them? --SnorlaxMonster 04:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what generations this applies to, but the badges that are said to boost a certain stat give a 9/8 multiplier to that stat so if you had a pokemon with a speed stat of 8 and obtained a THUNDERBADGE, it would immediately rise to 9. Any pokemon caught will immediately be boosted in their respective stats as well. When a pokemon levels up or recieves EV-enhancing vitamins, the pokemon's stats without the badge-boost will be affected and then the boost will be re-applied to the enhanced stat(s). Also, the boost affects moves (and abilities like speed boost) that raise or lower stats, so if the aforementioned pokemon used agility to double its speed, it would add 9 for the double in speed and another 1 (rounded from 1.125) for the badge-boost affecting the extra nine added by the move. AJRubyVersion 00:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC) *and credit to[1] for the beginning information and getting me into studying this independently*

Turns out Ultimate Pokémon Center has the info for each generation. In Gen I and II, the stat is multiplied by 9/8, and in Gen II this boost is ignored if the attack is a critical hit and the attacker's Attack/Special Attack stat stage is less than or equal to the opponent's Defense/Special Defense stat stage. In Gen III, the stat is multiplied by 1.1. From Gen IV onwards, there is no boost. --SnorlaxMonster 09:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


What is the formula/program trainers use to choose what to do? BanetteWobbuffet 17:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Generation III


Status: Answered

The Root and Claw Fossils are in the coding for Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, while the Old Amber and Dome and Helix Fossils are in the coding for Pokémon Emerald. What happens if they are obtained through hacking and taken to the Pokémon Lab on Cinnabar Island or Devon Corporation in Rustboro City? Can you obtain an Anorith in FireRed and LeafGreen? A Kabuto in Emerald?

  • Answer: Coding shows that the game does not recognize them as fossils, so they will not be resurrected.

Ok, so what if you trade them over, equipped to a Pokémon, after receiving the National Dex?

Shadow Pokémon Natures and IVs

Do Pokémon Colosseum and XD randomize Shadow Pokémon's IVs and Natures each time one of these Pokémon is encountered? Or these atributes are only generated the first time and they remain static for a given Pokémon for the remainder of the game (be it rematches if the Pokémon faints during the first encounter)? Does technical evidence about this matter exist?

Shadow Pokémon are only generated the first time. Their personality value and IVs are saved to the memory (offset?) upon encounter, because the Snag List uses these values in conjunction with the species of the Pokémon to keep track of their status and location. hfc2X 01:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Shadow move

Which stats do Shadow Moves rely on? Attack and Defense or Special Attack and Special Defense? Chosen of Mana 17:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Answer: Moves that Physically harm the opponent (generally ones that make contact), like Shadow Rush and Shadow Blitz, are Physical moves and therefore rely on the Attack and Defense stats. Shadow moves that don't physically hit the opponent, such as Shadow Fire and Shadow Bolt, are Special and use the Sp. Attack and Sp. Defense stats. So, technically, Shadow moves were the first moves to be split between Physical and Special.

That brings up a new question: Which Shadow Moves rely on Attack and Defense? Which rely on Special Attack and Special Defense? - Chosen of Mana 01:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Blitz, Shadow Break, Shadow End, and Shadow Rush are all Physical and Shadow Blast, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Chill, Shadow Fire, Shadow Rave, Shadow Storm, and Shadow Wave are Special.—BlazevoirTalk/Contribs 22:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Generation IV

Pokémon breeding

There's some oddity in the number of steps it takes to hatch an egg. The steps between egg hatches when holding multiple eggs is always divisible by 255 (minimum difference of 510), even if the steps between receiving them are not. It happens consistently when

  • Magma Armor or Flame Body are on
  • while holding multiple eggs from the same parents
  • when some eggs are received while others are being held

There's probably a common counter for all eggs in the party, which, when it rolls over, decrements all egg counters by 1. However, this doesn't explain the "divisible by 255" part.

Partial answer: Egg cycles. Just need to get persimmons from Smogon to adapt that into an article here. TTEchidna 04:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment : This may deserve a page by itself since there is a whole lot of info. BUT ...

  • Step 1.
    • Case A : The HP IV is passed on from either parent (1/6)
    • Case B : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/6)
    • Case C : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/6)
  • Step 2.
    • Case A1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
    • Case A2 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/5)
    • Case B1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
    • Case B2 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/5)
    • Case C1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
    • Case C2 : The same IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
    • Case C3 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (3/5)
  • Step 3 :
    • Case A1 : A random IV is passed on from either parent (4/4)
    • Case A2A : The same IV is passed from a parent (1/4)
    • Case A2B : Random IV is passed on from a parent (3/4)
    • Case B1A : A same IV as Step 1 is passed on from either parent (1/4)
    • Case B1B : Random IV is passed on from either parent ( 3/4 )
    • Case B2A : The same IV from step 2 is passed on (1/4)
    • Case B2B : A Random IV is passed on (3/4)
    • Case C1A : The same IV as step one is passed on (1/4)
    • Case C1B : A Random IV is passed on From either parent. (3/4)
    • Case C2A : The same IV is passed on from either parent (1/4)
    • Case C2B : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (3/4)
    • Case C3A : The same IV from step 1 is passed on (1/4)
    • Case C3B : The same IV from step 2 is passed on (1/4)
    • Case C3C : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (2/4)

Okay now we can combine the steps.

  • Case A1 - 3 stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 4/4) = 4/120
  • Case A2A - 2 Stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
  • Case A2B - 3 stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
  • Case B1A - 1 Stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 1/120
  • Case B1B - 2 Stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 3/120
  • Case B2A - 2 Stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
  • Case B2B - 3 stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
  • Case C1A - 2 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
  • Case C1B - 3 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
  • Case C2A - 1 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
  • Case C2B - 2 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
  • Case C3A - 2 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 1/4) = 12/120
  • Case C3B - 2 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 1/4) = 12/120
  • Case C3C - 3 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 2/4) = 24/120

A quick check with the calculator and thankfully it adds up to 120/120. Now combining the possibilities ...

  • 3 Stats inherited 3 random
    • A1 + A2B + B2B + C1B + C3C =
      • 4+12+12+12+24 =
        • 64/120
  • 2 Stats inherited 4 random
    • A2A + B1B + B2A + C1A + C2B + C3A + C3B =
      • 4+3+4+4+12+12+12 =
        • 51/120
  • 1 Stat inherited 5 random
    • B1A + C2A =
      • 1+4 =
        • 5/120

That makes an easier chart of

  • 3 Stats = 8/15 or 53.333%
  • 2 Stats = 17/40 or 42.500%
  • 1 Stat = 1/24 or 04.167%

So how do you maximize your total Stats? Do you got two pokemon who can breed with max HP and max DEF? Chromehawk 19:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Chrome

That information is available on Smogon as well. If that information is not already incorporated, an admin ought to ask Smogon if we can use that information too.--Lamb(talk) 01:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Turnback Cave

How does the game determine which kind of room comes next for each entrance? Is there any way to determine if the room the player is entering into will be a pillar room before entering it, or is getting through the cave in three rooms just dumb luck? Each room has four exits, the one the player came from warps them back to the entrance room, while the other three may take the player to several types of rooms filled with rocks or a pillar room.

  • Partial Answer: Go to Turnback Cave, take a random room in first room/pillar room, look for the odd rock pattern, approx. 70% of the time I get a pillar. --Giratina's Embodiment. 15:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Rest of Answer: There is no way to get through the Cave like you can Lost Cave. I have gone through Turnback Cave 20 times now, I have learned that the exit to the pillar room is moved every time you reboot/enter a room. Also, the room count is reset every time you get back to the frist room. It is just dumb luck getting though the cave and into Girarina's room. Truthseeker4449 19:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Flash Fire

Answered and added to the article

The current page says that Flash Fire will activate when the user is burned. However, Flash Fire nullifies Fire attacks, and thus the only moves that can possibly burn a Flash Fire user are Will-O-Wisp and Tri Attack. Flame Orb and Flame Body can also cause a burn.

The question: Does a burn really activate Flash Fire, or did the contributor see an interaction between Will-O-Wisp and Flash Fire and interpreted it incorrectly?

Will-O-Wisp is possibly nullified, since it's a Fire move, and Google says that Flame Orb does not get nullified, so the only case is Tri Attack. Does causing a burn with Tri Attack activate Flash Fire?

Burn does not activate Flash Fire. Tri-Attack, Flame Body, and flame orb, and being the victim of Synchronize/Psycho Shift)can cause burns while not being fire moves should the Pokemon with Flash Fire not be a Fire Type.(All legal Flash Fire Pokemon are Fire types, and thus Immune to burn anyways, which is probably why most would think burn activates it. Flash Fire can be put on Non-Fire types via Skill Swap, Role Play, Trace, or hacking). Similarly, Electivire, Jolteon, and Volt-Absorb Lanturn(As well as Ground Types) can still get Paralyzed by Non-Electric moves. Joe T.E. 18:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Iron Fist

Status: Answered

Is the list of moves that count as punches complete? Are there any punches which can't usually be learned by Hitmonchan, yet are boosted by Iron Fist?

  • The Mystery Dungeon compatible moves are all tested, as shown on talk page. Were any other moves described as a punch missed?
  • Answer: Testing shows Iron Fist only boosts punches compatible with Hitmonchan at some point.
    • The above statement is wrong. See talk page for Iron Fist for reasoning to real answer.

Category:Game mechanics


Some of my friends have told me that Shaymin's Sky Form isn't usable on wi-fi... we need to find out for sure. And to that end, test Rotom's forms. (Would I not be able to use an adorable specimen like him to fight with my friends online? ;_;)

  • Partial answer: When going to Wi-fi, Giratina's Platinum Orb is taken off and Shaymin reverts to Land Forme. It's part of the games coding based from what I read some time ago. *tc26* 01:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

If this applies to the forms of Shaymin and Giratina,it is probably because the forms aren't programmed into the Diamond and Pearl versions.In order to be able to interact with D/P,this has to be done.Therefore I find it safe to assume that Rotom will also reverse into it's normal form. User:Uxie legend 15:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Shaymin's Sky Forme is allowed on Wi-Fi in some way. On the page for Platinum version, there is an image of a Wi-Fi battle with Shaymin's Sky Forme.

It's most likely a Local Wireless battle. The forme lockout only applies to Wi-Fi as of now. The alternate formes work fine using local wireless, even when playing against D/P users. The forms work in D/P by having Platinum sorta Patch D/P with knowledge of the items and stats(Though the sprites will look like their normal forme on the D/P user's end. This patching also makes Hypnosis have 60% accuracy over D/P's 70%). I've also seen people able to bypass the Wi-Fi forme lockout using cheats as well, so it has nothing to do with D/P incompatibilitiesJoe T.E. 18:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

In addition to this, the "patching" only works if the player of Platinum, HeartGold or SoulSilver is the host of the local wireless battle. Otherwise, the same procedure applies as in WiFi battles (forme reversal and such). hfc2X 01:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Solid Rock

Status: Answered

Different sites give different percentages by which damage is reduced with this ability, and from the talk page, this still isn't resolved. What exactly is the correct factor?

I once did a Damage calculation where Solid Rock was considered to lower Super Effective Damage by 2/3rds(1.33 over 2x, and 2.66 over 4)(It was a Max Special Attack Kyogre in Rain using Water Spout on both Solid Rock Pokemon after having a 2.5 Increase to Special Defenses, and Light Screen up, with Camerupt and Rhyperior having Max HP and some Special Defense EV's as well, so that they would survive with about 1-10 HP left afterwards)and after testing it in actual gameplay, it did just as much damage as my calculator estimated it would. All my other calculations using the 2/3rds modifier usually matched up with gameplay to a T. I believe 2/3rds damage reduction is the accurate modifier. Joe T.E. 18:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

If you tested it in-game instead of on an online simulator, then that's good enough for me. ~Toastypk - Loom. 16:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Crush Grip and Combusken

Status: Answered

Throughout places related to Pokémon Battle Revolution, there is talk of a Combusken which knows Crush Grip. Which Colosseum is this Combusken found in, and is it really Crush Grip or Crush Claw?

Answer: It's in the Sunset Colosseum, and it's Crush Claw. Chocolate 20:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Fire Fang and Platinum

Can Fire Fang bypass Wonder Guard in Platinum like it can in Diamond and Pearl?

Yes The Placebo Effect 19:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Future Sight failing

Sometimes, when Future Sight is used, it goes like "The foe's/wild __________ took the Future Sight Attack! But it failed!" Why does it do this?

  • Future Sight has 90% accuracy. "But it failed" triggers when Future Sight misses.
  • The same goes for Doom Desire and its 85% accuracy as well.


Reckless increases power of moves which cause recoil. Exactly what attacks are affected by Reckless, and does Reckless affect the amount of recoil as well?

See also Talk:Reckless.

The attacks that could be affected by Reckless if Hitmonlee could learn them would be Volt Tackle, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Flare Blitz and Head Smash. The moves that are affected are Struggle, Submission, Jump Kick, Take Down, Double-Edge, and Hi Jump Kick. The amount of recoil is affected. ~Steel Phoenix


In Diamond and Pearl Hypnosis has a base accuracy of 70%, and in Platinum, 60%. How is the accuracy calculated in a battle between Pearl and Platinum? or it becomes 65%?

  • It says above, in the Shaymin section, that Platinum's accuracy takes precedence in a local wireless battle. Dunno about over Wi-Fi, but I'd guess DP rules are used there. — Laoris (Blah) 19:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • If the player of Platinum, HeartGold or SoulSilver is the host, then Hypnosis has 60% accuracy. It has 70% otherwise. hfc2X 01:58, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Technician increases the base power of the user's moves that have a base power of 60 and/or below. Since Confusion inflicts a base power 40 typeless attack onto the affected Pokémon, does Technician affect this self-inflicted damage as well?

See also Talk:Technician.

I'm pretty sure it's just talking about moves. ~Toastypk - Loom. 17:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Magic Guard and Toxic Spikes

Does Magic Guard protect the Pokémon from contracting poison due to Toxic Spikes? See Talk:Magic Guard. Yenreb 05:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

  • It can get poisoned but won't take any poison damage between turns. ~ Solarys 02:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No Guard

Status: Answered

Does No Guard affect all the Pokemon in a Double Battle? Or just between the one Pokemon and the one he/she is fighting at the moment? ~Toastypk - Loom. 23:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

No Guard only affects user and target. Seems last test I did was me getting lucky. Gywall Talk 22:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Micle Berry

How much does the Micle Berry raise accuracy of the next move by? Or will it always hit? ~Toastypk - Loom. 23:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

  • The next selected move always hits; it's like an automatic lock-on. I've tested in game with Sheer Cold and it never missed after using Micle berry. Solarys 20:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


What happens when multiple IVs are the highest ones? For example, 28 in Sp.A. and Speed, 30 in Def. and HP? TTEchidna 02:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

  • It picks a random one to display. ~ Solarys 02:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Pickup and Trace

If a Pokémon traces Pickup, could it have an item it found after battle (assuming it wasn't already holding one? The same goes for Honey Gather. --RiverAura 21:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

  • No. Trace is only temporary. After battle, it's gone. ht14 15:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Evasion and Accuracy in Double Battles

Let's say I'm in a Double Battle and I have Vaporeon and Roserade on my side, against a trainer who has Garchomp and Pikachu. A Sandstorm is up (Garchomp gets +1 Evasion due to Sand Veil) and Pikachu used Double Team 3 times before. Vaporeon decides to use Surf, which affects all Pokémon on the field except the user. Does the move succeed or fail for all Pokémon, or could Pikachu (+3 Evasion) evade the attack while Garchomp (+1 Evasion) can't? For that matter, does the accuracy check (not just evasion) get re-done for each target Pokémon, or is it done only once when the move is about to be executed? Looce 23:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

  • if Garchomp gets hit, and Pikachu does not, Garchomp will take damage, and for Pikachu, it will say "Pikachu avoided the attack!" (or something to that effect). as for an Accuracy check, it is re-done for each target Pokemon. -- MAGNEDETH 23:38, 15 November 2009

Counter and Mirror Coat

Are Counter and Mirror Coat capable of damaging a Wondertomb or Wondereye, or any Pokémon with wonder Guard?

  • No. Not only that, they are incapable of damaging a regular Spiritomb or Sableye, unless Miracle Eye and Odor Sleuth/Foresight is used on it. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 14:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


If a Togekiss is in battle against a paralyzed Pokémon, and it uses Air Slash with a King's Rock equipped and has the ability Serene Grace, then what is the probabilty of the opponent being able to attack? Is the probability of flinching and paralysis added up so the opponent has a 3% chance of attacking, or is the probabilty calculated so that the opponent has a 75% chance of attacking from paralysis, and then 72% of 75% is subracted so there is an ending probability of approximately 18%?

  • It's calculated separately. The Pokémon would have a 29.4% (64% chance of flinching with King's Rock, 95% accuracy, 25% chance of paralysis) of attacking. MagicBarrier 01:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Heavy Ball

In HeartGold and SoulSilver, when is the modifier for the Heavy Ball added into the catch rate calculation?--Mando Knight 03:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

It's calculated in at the same point any other Pokéball is calculated in.

((3*Max HP-2*Currrent HP)*rate*Pokéballl/(3*Max HP))*status - unsigned comment from Vlax (talkcontribs)

Except that for Heavy Ball it is added, not multiplied. --SnorlaxMonster 23:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

In that case, I'd assume that it's added/subtracted from the Pokémon's catch rate (the "rate" value in the above equation)

Trainer Pokémon Stats

Do the Pokémon of Trainers and Gym Leaders not have stats, or are they just not listed here? --Stuart P. Bentley 05:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

They can't NOT have stats. We just don't add them because it's not as relevant (that is, you can usually estimate their highest stats and such by what Pokémon it is). That said, I don't think this question even belongs on this page. --AndyPKMN 15:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Kadabra and Everstones

Whenever I trade a Kadabra holding an Everstone, it evolves anyway. Is this intentional or just a glitch? Why does it happen? How far back does this even go? It's happened in Platinum and HeartGold. And of course, anyone who's traded for that Haunter in Snowpoint City knows that Everstones are SUPPOSED to stop trade evolutions from happening. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 14:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

What game is this from? ht14 15:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Shellos and Gastrodon

Since there are two types of Shellos and Gastrodon, how does the game determine which type to make whenever you breed them? Is it based on location, in which case it will always make West Sea forme, randomly chosen, or based on the parent forme?

  • From Shellos's article: the two forms are still able to interbreed (the child takes the mother's form). Werdnae (talk) 05:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Magic Guard and abilities that cause damage

Does Magic Guard protect against Rough Skin, Bad Dreams, and other such abilities? --RiverAura 00:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Starter Pokémon in Amity Square

What are the items and and rarities of things that can be found by the forms of the starter Pokémon in Amity Square in Platinum?

Host Questions

For the most part, if there's a discrepancy between versions (e.g. Hypnosis has 70% accuracy in D/P but 60% in Pt/HG/SS), the game uses the host version to settle the dispute (e.g. if Diamond is the host, Hypnosis has 70% accuracy; if Platinum is the host, it has 60% accuracy). However, I have a couple of other questions:

  • If a Japanese and an English game link up, is this still the case? In this post, it's stated that the English version always takes precedence, but he doesn't state which game is the host.
  • Does the host still take precedence when "glitched" moves are involved? (e.g. The U-turn glitch only exists in Diamond/Pearl. If a Diamond player hosts, will the glitch still take effect on the Platinum game?) MagicBarrier 00:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Abilities or STAB ?

How is the base stat of, say Bullet Punch calculated by a Scizor with Technician ? Does Technician double it and then STAB is taken into account or something else ? Stephen Keane 21:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Seems it's base 90, nevermind Stephen Keane 12:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Generation V

Ring Target

Does the ring target cause the holder to lose only immunities granted by their types, or by both their types and abilities?

Reply: When I tested this, Earthquake failed on an Eelektross holding Ring Target. I can therefore conclude that the Ring Target removes only type-based immunities. Haxorus 13:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Everstone breeding

If two parents with the same nature hold an everstone, then is there a higher chance of that nature being passed down? If the parents have different natures, then is there a high chance of either nature being passed down?

Foul Play

Although the target's attack and defense are used in damage calculation, whose attack modifiers are calculated? I swear it does less to the opponent damage when I'm burned, although I've never tested it.

Sheer Force

Moves with effects beneficial to the user are boosted and the effect is nullified, while moves with negative effects receive no boost and still have the effect. Do moves with both positive and negative effects lose both effects, or only the positive effect?

Moves with a percent chance to do something are generally boosted, even if that chance is 100%. So, Fire Punch (10% Burn), Sacred Fire (50% Burn), and DynamicPunch (100% Confusion) are boosted. Hammer Arm (Always lowers speed) and Brave Bird (Always inflicts recoil) are not Boosted.A good frame of reference is Shield Dust or Serene Grace - Sheer Force boosts the same list of moves.
Reply: also, moves that have effects will no longer cause a certain effect after the move was used(for example, A fire punch executed holding a Life Orb will negate the 30% burn AND the Life Orb after move damage, most like Magic Guard). I dont know if this applies also to the Choice items. If anyone can confirm this, it would be appreciated

Black City/White Forest trainers

The trainers have individual set values (80/70 for the ones who are less likely to leave and 30/20 for those who are more likely to leave). Once Black City and White Forest are reached, talking to them/battling them adds ten points to their value counter. Do these characters cap at their original max value (80/70/30/20; meaning if you spoke to them for two weeks straight [140 points accumulated], then ignored them for five days, a character with a 20 point value would vanish), or do they obtain a surplus and stick around for as long as the gained points allow?

Considering I've left my game alone for 10 days or more, I believe it can be safely assumed that characters build up a surplus. --Vlax 18:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Flinching and the King's Rock

Status: Requesting conformation Does the chance of flinching caused by the King's Rock stack with moves that have a chance of cause flinching? A few people have suggested that it has been adjusted to prevent stacking in the Generation V games. --Super goku (talk) 01:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

No it does not. I have done the research and testing myself. The PRNG used for the battle only rolls for a random number 4 times when using Headbutt, Once for Accuracy, then Crit, then Random Number for damage, then Flinch Chance. It rolls 5 times for AncientPower, Acc, Crit, Rand, then for King's Rock's flinch chance, and then for the Stat Boost chance. In Headbutt's case it will only flinch if the number is below 30 (60 w/ Serene Grace) and for AncientPower it will flinch if the number is below 10 (20 w/ Serene Grace) --V4Victini (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
While I will thank you for that data, I would just like a second opinion since you are very interested in the article on flinching. I do not mean to be rude, but I would just like to have another person double check.  :) --Super goku (talk) 20:07, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Boost Calculation

If a sat boosting move or ability, such as victory star or sand veil, is activated, how is it applied? for example, a victini uses inferno. inferno has 50 accuracy. does the boost add 10 percent to the 50, or add 10 percent of 50? Deoxys80 18:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

10% of 50. Inferno used by a Victini with Victory Star would have 55% accuracy. MetalMetroid997 (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)