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Talk:Naveen

2025-12-31T17:58:49Z

Yamitora1: /* Relation to Grant */ Reply

== Relation to Grant ==

Is there a relation between Naveen and Grant like how in Legends AZ all the characters were ancestors to future characters? They share physical traits such as skin complexion, eye color and hair color and wear hair accessories and its hinted that Lida is related to Tierno. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:50, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

:nah. nothing in the game's texts/stories or their designs suggest any connection other than both being black people (which isn't enough to prove that they're related). [[User:Anzasquiddles|'''anZAsquiddles''']] 2222(:D)SSSS ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 00:36, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::Seconded. Their eye color isn't even the same (Naveen's eyes are purple, Grant's are grayish-brown). [[User:Driftin Soul|Driftin Soul]] ([[User talk:Driftin Soul|talk]]) 00:53, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::they both wear hair accessories tho, Charm form PLA is mentioned to look like both [[Agatha]] and [[Bertha]] with much less evidence to warrant adding that. just saying [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:58, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

== Where does it say that he has a younger sister? ==

Where does it say that he has a younger sister? [[User:Kathylikestoread|Kathylikestoread]] ([[User talk:Kathylikestoread|talk]]) 18:26, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

:https://abcboy101.github.io/poke-corpus/#q=%5BVAR+0114%28000B%29%5D+sister&s=6XcFaRw Press search and it will show the corresponding lines of dialogue. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 18:31, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

== What is the proper grammar? ==

I want to change the sentence, ''Naveen originally lived with his grandmother, who disapproves of his interest in sewing and wants him to focus on his studies.'' to include his younger sister, but what is the proper grammar? ''Naveen originally lived with his grandmother and younger sister, the former of whom disapproves of his interest in sewing and wants him to focus on his studies.'' or ''Naveen originally lived with his grandmother and younger sister, the former who disapproves of his interest in sewing and wants him to focus on his studies.''? [[User:Kathylikestoread|Kathylikestoread]] ([[User talk:Kathylikestoread|talk]]) 06:25, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

:"the former of whom" is correct, though you could also omit it and just add a semicolon: "''Naveen originally lived with his grandmother and younger sister; his grandmother disapproves of his interest in sewing and wants him to focus on his studies.''". [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:36, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Talk:AZ

2025-12-31T17:46:25Z

Yamitora1: /* Taunie/Urbain Finding him after he passed away */ new section

== Jotun? ==

Is it possible that AZ might be based of a Jotun? (forgot how to spell it.) For those who don't know, they are giants that exist in Norse myth, which various aspects of X and Y are based off.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

AZ does not have much in common with Jotnar from Norse mythology. Jotnar were not necessarily huge like giants in other mythologies, and they were masters of magic. They could be the size of a man or a mountain or anything in between. They could transform into animals and make illusions. They are also the same race as the Norse gods. In Norse mythology, the difference between Jotnar and gods is the difference between different families; if you were a Jotun and married a god, you were treated as a god for marrying into the family.--[[User:Dunkleosteus|Dunkleosteus]] ([[User talk:Dunkleosteus|talk]]) 01:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== AZ's Floette ==
Is AZ's Floette is the same as the [[Floette]] that was revealed by a hacker a few weeks back? - {{unsigned|Sage1661}}
**Possibly, but it can't be posted unless it's comfirmed officially.[[User:BraviaryGirl23|BraviaryGirl23]] ([[User talk:BraviaryGirl23|talk]]) 00:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Spoiler alert? ==

I was thinking that we could have a toned downed version of the article. Both me and several friends were spoiled just by browsing through. [[User:Bobosmith01|~Bobo]] ([[User talk:Bobosmith01|talk]]) 22:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
:This is an encyclopedia for the Pokemon series, which features detailed information on the characters of said series. Also, the game has been out for a month and a half, going on two, so it's not our fault that you got spoiled. Do you have a suggestion as to how we can tone the article down? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
::If you don't want spoilers, don't look at the article. Simple as that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:37, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Music ==

Since according to the trivia AZ's battle music is that of the Gym Leader battle style, even though he's classed as a Pokemon Trainer. It may be a hint that if & when Pokemon Z comes out, he will be a Gym Leader. [[User:Frahaleah|Frahaleah]] 19:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:That's speculation. The Bulbagarden Forums would be a better place to discuss that. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 19:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

==Beaten==
Just out of curiosity, what happens if you lose to him during the credits? I have looked around and most people have said that even if he beats you, the game will react as if you won and events will play as normal. If this is the case, should it be mentioned that AZ is the only trainer you can lose to and not have to return to a Pokemon Center immediately after (White out). [[User:Darkcloud1111|'''''Darkcloud1111''''']][[User talk:Darkcloud1111|'''~Fastest Hero Alive''']] 10:43, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

:I don't think he's the only trainer you can lose too. I lost to Korrina in the Mega Evolution battle in my second playthough and didn't white out. She still gave me the mega ring and Lucario like normal. --[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] ([[User talk:Morgil27|talk]]) 07:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

== Name made of just letters ==

I changed that line of trivia to state only capital letters. I know what the intent is, but I'm pretty sure all human characters' names are made of just letters. It needs to be reworded in a way which both uses the original intent, as well as being accurate.

For the record, I pronounce the name like Auhz, not like A-Z. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 05:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

== Backstory conflict? ==

-''He succeeded, but he was unable to overcome his despair and turned the machine into a weapon'' (Under The Games section)

-''AZ built the ultimate weapon to revive her, and succeeded.'' (Under Pokémon)

Was AZ's (initial) intention to make a weapon or to make a revival machine? It's unclear. The first quote states that the device was a revival machine that turned into a weapon, while the second states that the device was always a weapon. [[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 19:36, 19 January 2015 (UTC)Partone

== Origin ==

Should a probable origin be added to the trivia section?
Mentioning that he might be based on the character {{wp|Ashwatthama}} for the Hindu Epic {{wp|Mahabharata}}. The simmilarities include:

1) Both used an incredibly powerful weapon, in the case of Ashwatthama the Brahmashira (on Wikipedia)/Brahmastra (in popular culture). The weapon they fired ultimately ended the war.

2) Both committed serious crimes, Ashwatthama in the form of attacking the Pandava camp at night, against the rules of Kurukshetra War and firing Brahmastra toward the womb of the Uttara, the daughter-in-law of Arjuna.

3) He was also cursed for 3000 year. Though AZ was not directly cursed, the leaving of [[Floette]] acted more-or-less as a curse.

''Ashwatthama not knowing how to take back the Brahmastra,instead directs the weapon towards the womb of the pregnant Uttara in an attempt to end the lineage of the Pandavas. The angered Pandavas try to kill Ashwatthama, but the Supreme lord Sri Krishna curses that for 3000 years ,he will suffer to the excessive amount but still he will not die, his skin will start to melt but still he will not die, nobody will come in front of him.''-Text directly from Wikipedia.

4) Both committed a form of massacre, AZ by firing the weapon and Ashwatthama by the attack at night.--[[User:Anishdeb|Anishdeb]] ([[User talk:Anishdeb|talk]]) 18:29, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

== Add Pokémon Legends: Z-A? ==

It is presumable that AZ will appear in Pokémon Legends: Z-A. Should it be added to the article? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 23:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
:This would be considered {{bp|speculation policy|speculation}}, which is generally avoided on Bulbapedia. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 23:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== Floette ==

Should we split AZ's Floette into it's own article now that Z-A's out? --[[User:DHP613|'''DHP''']][[User talk:DHP613|'''613''']] 14:08, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

:I think it's important enough. It's a unique Pokémon that has a story role, appears in two games, and even has its own Mega Evolution. I'm kind of baffled it doesn't already have it's own page. [[User:SpaceDimentio|SpaceDimentio]] ([[User talk:SpaceDimentio|talk]]) 19:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

== Taunie/Urbain Finding him after he passed away ==

Should it be mentioned that it is Taunie/Urbain who finds AZ after he passed away? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:46, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Naveen

2025-10-18T23:50:06Z

Yamitora1: /* Relation to Grant */ new section

Talk:Water Absorb (Ability)

2025-03-06T23:45:02Z

Yamitora1: /* Wave Crash in Tera Raids doesn't activate Water Absorb? */ new section

Should Vaporeon really have that note there? We don't know if only Vaporeon from the Dream World have Hydration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Stat Influences ==

Hypothetically, if two Squirtle, both Lv. 100, one with higher Special Attack, use Water Gun on a Lv. 100 Poliwhirl with Water Absorb, will the one with higher Special Attack restore more HP? [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 18:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Whirlpool damage? ==

Does anyone know if Pokémon with this ability will be damaged by Whirlpool? Bookwyrm1357 08:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

== Multi-strike moves ==

The page says: "Multi-strike moves, such as Water Shuriken, will only activate the Ability once"

So does that mean that the second hit will cause damage? [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] ([[User talk:Mateussf|talk]]) 10:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
:Water Shuriken will hit once, restore the opponent's health, and then it will not hit again. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 10:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Wave Crash in Tera Raids doesn't activate Water Absorb? ==

not sure if its only in Tera Raids, but my Water Absorb Vaporeon was effected by a Tera boss Basculegion's Water Crash. is this only in tera raids? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:45, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Octillery (Pokémon)

2024-10-14T03:38:21Z

Yamitora1: /* might want to lock page */ new section

==Looks like Octi?==
Is this really notable? It's just an octopus. That's like saying that (Insert person who has and elephant doll) has a doll that looks just like Phanpy. I have removed it once, but I don't want to start an edit war over it. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 14:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. Just a generic octopus. Let's delete that stupid trivia! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
==Found in Platinum==
I found this while fishing with a Super Rod on Route 229. This should probably be noted on the appropriate pages.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Makojin}} ([[User talk:Makojin|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Makojin|contribs]]) ''

==Edit Request==
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG021|Octillery|May's Pokédex|Octillery, the Jet Pokémon. Octillery attaches its tentacled feet to its opponent before attacking with its hard head.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Advanced|Hoenn}}
Please and thank you! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== waterlog ==

Should we say that Octillery was the only pokemon that can hit every pokemon super effective?
Since it can learn both waterlog and grass/electric type move? jomphol 08:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Arceus is unaffected by Waterlog, because it has Multitype; but it is true that Octillery is the only Pokemon able to use Waterlog able to gain a type advantage from its moves (excluding Hidden Power and Natural Gift). --[[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Octorok? ==

Octllery bears similarities to the Octorok enemy from the ''Zelda'' series. Both are red octopus monsters that are capable of shooting rocks from their snouts. (Octillery can learn Rock Blast.) While the Octoroks from ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'' may not be red, they have "sleepy eyes" like those of Octillery. In the original ''Legend of Zelda'', yellow spots were seen on the Octoroks' heads. Is this worth a mention? --[[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Possible Mistake on Physiology of Octillery? ==

I noticed the article says that Octillery has 8 legs, yet both in the anime and in the back sprites of Octillery, it only has 7: 5 in the back, and 2 in the front. --[[User:Emdude|Emdude]] 03:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
:There are clearly eight. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
::There are only eight in that anime picture. Count the sprites... they are 7 [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 23:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I wouldnt use the sprites as an example, [[User:Vuvuzela2010/Sprite Errors|they have a habit of being wrong]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, it also has seven legs in [[EP215]], which was its first appearance in the anime. --[[User:Emdude|Emdude]] 22:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== weird cocktail weenie origin possibility? ==

So I'm watching Ouran High School Host Club, and a girl made another girl her "favorite" for lunch, which is Octopus shaped cocktail weenies. Then when the girl the weenies were made for made a pass at the other girl, comparing her to the weenies and saying "perhaps you would like me to feast one you?"

Then a crowd of girls kind of morphed into red octopuses that looked like Octillery with a >< eyes. [http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608038507361011749&pid=1.7] [http://akanzaki.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/82.jpg][http://www.justputzing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DSC_0208c.jpg]

So, after seeing this, I thought I would play devil's advocate and ask if Octillery might have some basis on this Japanese culinary construct?

I know Harley once enjoyed Octillery shaped food, and hates may because a girl that looks like her ate it.

So could Octillery be based off a way of fixing cocktail weenies to look like octopuses?

Again, just playing devils advocate, but if its possible all things should be considered when it comes to the origins of Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

==Questionable Claim of Seviper Being A Predator of Octillery==
How can Seviper, a grassland Pokemon, prey on Octillery when the latter spends all of its time in the ocean? [[User:MrOshawott7|MrOshawott7]] ([[User talk:MrOshawott7|talk]]) 03:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
:Going through the history for both Pokemon, apparently it was added by user Jacob9594, where in quote, "In new Pokemon Snap, a Serviper can be observed preying on an Octillery untill you throw a orb at crystal bloom causing the pokemon to unleash ink to drive it away. Happen during Beach Night level" from Seviper's recent revision history. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 11:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

== possible trivia entry: only Pokémon to have a move named after it? ==

said move being {{m|Octazooka}} (Okutank/Octillery Cannon in Japanese). as far as i remember i think that's the only move to be named after a specific Pokémon. i could be wrong though. what do you think? [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 21:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{m|Crabhammer}}, {{p|Krabby|クラブ}}ハンマー. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

== might want to lock page ==

Not to be an alarmist, but the mods might want to lock the page given recent events [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Trick or Trade 2024 (TCG)

2024-09-09T08:37:58Z

Yamitora1: /* Pack artwork */ 120 pack

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Talk:Torchic (Pokémon)

2024-08-31T21:01:09Z

Yamitora1: /* BB Pokédex picture shows wrong biome */ new section

==[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]==
What attack does it use in brawl? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 21:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Fire Spin, maybe.[[User:Pikajigglychan|Pikajigglychan]] 08:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Gender differences ==

How did we find out about the black spot?
I have three male torchics in diamond and I didn't see anything...[[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 13:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:Read that again...you have three MALE Torchic. The gender difference is the black spot on the back for males and no spot on the back for females. Look around their butts. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 13:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::[[Image:Spr_b_4d_255_m.png]]
:: Notice the small spot on it's rear, that's how. It only appears in the backsprite.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::A very minute difference like that is very easy to miss. Something that small can slip by even experts, especially if the difference is backsprite-only (partly why serebii.net never caught it). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

shouldn't HeartGold/SoulSilver is after defeating Red but not trade? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 11:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:Automated template function. We'll patch everything up soon enough, don't you worry. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Typo ==

There is a little typo in Special Abilities. It says 'breath' instead of 'breathe'. -- [[User:Hohoo|Hohoo]] 20:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== What??! ==

Help! What's happened to the infobox? Giant Torchic!! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Don't you find it odd ==

I know that it's evolved forms are more physical based, but if Torchic learns Flamethrower by level up. Why can't it's evolved forms? --[[User:Jono R|Jono R]] 18:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:Because that's how the games work. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Fix help! ==

If anybody noticed the Sprites box's got two rows of each sprite for [[Generation IV|Gen IV]]. 
Can somebody fix it since I don't know how to? 
~ Thanks in advance. [[User:SaitoFX|SaitoFX]] 17:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:The two rows are the different genders, as Torchic ''does'' have gender differences. (hint: look ''really'' closely at the backsprite.) Also, you aren't allowed to have sprites in your sig. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::Ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing both things out -about the sprites & about the signature. 
::As you probably expected, I'm still a newbie. [[User:SaitoFX|SaitoFX]] 22:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. The main "issue" with Torchic is that its gender difference is ''so'' minor that it isn't easily noticable, so rather than seeing it and going "Oh, there are two different sprites" people go "Why are there two sets of sprites?" As for the second bit, we were all new at one point. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:29, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
On the part about gender differences, it says that Torchic is the only base form of a starter with gender differences. Underneath it, it says that "Tepig also shares this distinction" or something like it. Tepig doesn't have gender differences as far as I know... [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 18:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

== Only crural starter ==

Can you please add "Torchic is the only starter pokemon with a crural body" on the trivia section? --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 15:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Here's a good trivia fact.

'''Torchic is the first starter Pokémon to be based on a bird.'''

This will cover the other starters based on birds, like Piplup and Rowlet.
[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:It's very specific, more to do with ''starter Pokemon'' than Torchic in particular, and can be seen well enough on the starter Pokemon page... It's not really necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== The other trivia discussion ==

Here's one.
:Torchic is the first fire-type starter pokemon who's final form is humanoid in appearance. Future fire-type starter pokemon follow this trend.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 01:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
::No. That's too specific and means nothing at all. So what it's final form is humanoid?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

== Torchic's Special Attack Trivia ==

Hi there! I noticed that Torchic currently has the highest Special Attack among base form starters, but it isn't listed in the trivia section. However Mudkip's is, given it has the highest Attack stat. Shouldn't Torchic's Special Attack stat be featured in its Trivia section like Mudkip's?

[[User:Bokonkwo|Bokonkwo]] ([[User talk:Bokonkwo|talk]]) 05:27, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's too small a group for highest/lowest/only trivia to be notable. I'll remove it from Mudkip's article. Thank you for pointing it out! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:50, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::Oh okay. You might as well remove the same for Froakie, who is listed as having the highest Speed among all base form Starters.
::[[User:Bokonkwo|Bokonkwo]] ([[User talk:Bokonkwo|talk]]) 21:03, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

== Why the gender difference exists Trivia ==

I'm not sure if this would be "fine" to add as trivia, but I think it's interesting enough to warrant adding;
The gender difference in torchic relates to real-life "sex linking" that people use to tell which sex a chick is without having to use other harder methods, it's really common with chicken farmers because chickens are a bit difficult to figure out when they're young. Sex link examples range from chicks just having "one dark feather" (very very similar to torchic) or all the way to all the feathers colour changed.
If you didn't know about it before you can read up more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-link
[[User:Zyga21|Zyga21]] ([[User talk:Zyga21|talk]]) 03:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

== BB Pokédex picture shows wrong biome ==

Should it be mentioned that its Pokédex picture has it in the Canyon Biome despite the fact its found in the Polar Biome? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Blueberry Academy Cafeteria

2024-08-17T10:41:17Z

Yamitora1: /* Dishes */ its 2 not 1

The '''Blueberry Academy Cafeteria''' (Japanese: '''学生食堂''' ''School Cafeteria'') is a cafeteria located in [[Blueberry Academy]].

==In the games==
Dishes purchased at the Blueberry Academy Cafeteria can be consumed to gain different types of {{DL|Sandwich|Meal Powers|Meal Powers}}.

===Dishes===
{| class="roundtable c" style="margin: auto; background:#{{Indigo Disk color dark}}; border:3px solid #{{Indigo Disk color}}"
! style="width: 15%; background:#{{Indigo Disk color light}}" | Name
! style="width: 10%; background:#{{Indigo Disk color light}}" | Cost
! style="width: 0%; background:#{{Indigo Disk color light}}" | Image
! style="width: 15%; background:#{{Indigo Disk color light}}" | Meal Power
! style="width: 30%; background:#{{Indigo Disk color light}}" | Description
|-
| Academy Pizza
| 50 [[Blueberry Point|BP]]
| [[File:Academy Pizza SV.png|300x300px]]
| Teensy Power: All Types (2) Raid Power: All Types (1)
| An extra-large pizza that re-creates the academy's emblem using plenty of sausage and cheese.
|-
| Academy Shake
| 100 [[Blueberry Point|BP]]
| [[File:Academy Shake SV.png|300x300px]]
| Item Drop Power: All Types (2) Title Power: All Types (1)
| A frosty shake practically overflowing with ice cream and fruit.
|-
| Academy Fries
| 50 [[Blueberry Point|BP]]
| [[File:Academy Fries SV.png|300x300px]]
| Humungo Power: All Types (2) Exp. Point Power: All Types (1)
| A mountain of fried potatoes—and a monument to the chef's desire to make sure students are well fed.
|-
| Academy Special
| 150 [[Blueberry Point|BP]]
| [[File:Academy Special SV.png|300x300px]]
| Catching Power: All Types (2) Egg Power (1) Sparkling Power: All Types (1)
| This special is the stuff of dreams. Each dish was selected by Director Cyrano himself, and no expense was spared.
|}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{blueberry color}}|bordercolor={{blueberry color light}}|textcolor=fff
|zh_cmn=學生食堂 / 学生食堂 ''{{tt|Xuéshēng Shítáng|School Cafeteria}}''
|zh_yue=學生食堂 ''{{tt|Hohksāang Sihktòhng|School Cafeteria}}''
|fr=Cafétéria
|de=Mensa
|it=Mensa scolastica
|ko=학생식당 ''{{tt|Haksaeng Sikdang|School Cafeteria}}''
|es=Comedor
}}

==See also==
* [[Poké Mart]]

{{-}}
{{Blueberry Academy}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Shops]]
[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Scarlet and Violet locations]]

[[it:Mensa scolastica]]
[[zh:學生食堂（藍莓學園）]]

Cyclizar (Pokémon)

2024-06-25T17:08:09Z

Yamitora1: cleaning up the repetitive introduction. It said the same info twice but in different ways.

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Dragon|type2=Normal}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Cyclizar}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Dragon|prevnum=0966|prev=Revavroom|nextnum=0968|next=Orthworm|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}
|}
{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Cyclizar
|jname=モトトカゲ
|jtranslit=
|tmname=Mototokage
|ndex=0967
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Normal
|category=Mount
|height-ftin=5'03"
|height-m=1.6
|weight-lbs=138.9
|weight-kg=63.0
|abilityn=1
|ability1=Shed Skin
|abilityd=Regenerator
|egggroupn=1
|egggroup1=Field
|egggroup2=
|eggcycles=30
|evtotal=2
|evhp=0
|evat=0
|evde=0
|evsa=0
|evsd=0
|evsp=2
|expyield=175
|lv100exp=1059860
|gendercode=127
|color=Green
|catchrate=190
|body=06
|pokefordex=cyclizar
|generation=9
|friendship=50
}}
'''Cyclizar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''モトトカゲ''' ''Mototokage'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Normal}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation IX]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

It is said to be a relative of the {{pkmn2|Legendary}} [[Paradox Pokémon]] {{p|Koraidon}} and {{p|Miraidon}}. Being a descendant or an ancestor of the two respectively<ref name=":0">[[Professor Sada|AI Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo|AI Turo]]{{sup/9|V}}: ''"Through analysis of its genetic makeup, as well as its behavioral patterns...I came to realize that what I had discovered was in fact an ancient{{sup/9|S}}/futuristic{{sup/9|V}} form of {{p|Cyclizar}}, the Pokémon commonly ridden in this region."'' ({{g|Scarlet and Violet}})</ref> or at least a version of them from a different timeline<ref name=":1">[[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}}: ''"I am researching methods to catch Pokémon that live in different timelines, so I might transport them to the present day in my own timeline."'' ({{g|Scarlet and Violet}}: [[The Indigo Disk]])</ref>.

==Biology==
[[File:CyclizarParadoxRift215.jpg|thumb|left|175px|A group of Cyclizar fitted with riding equipment]]
Cyclizar is a green reptilian Pokémon resembling a lizard. Its head is mostly black, with a green coloration between its {{wp|Casque (anatomy)|casque}} and lower jaw, along with orange circular cheeks. Its neck, paw pads, and tail are also black; the latter has a white tip. Its rear has a covering resembling a motorcycle seat, located at the base of its tail. On its throat is a black sac with a white inner coloring, resembling a rubber tire.

Cyclizar has a mild temperament. It has been kept by humans and used for transport since ancient times, with depictions of this behavior found in murals dating back 10,000 years ago. This relationship appears to be mutualistic since the warmth of Cyclizar's rider helps it avoid getting cold, along with lifting its spirit. When carrying a human, Cyclizar can reach a speed of over 70 mph (120 km/h). Cyclizar maintains its balance and absorbs shock while running by using its hard head and thick yet supple tail. It also uses its head and tail to attack during battles.<ref>[https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/pokemon/cyclizar/ Cyclizar — Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet | Official Website]</ref> Cyclizar is strong enough to carry luggage and equipment used by humans. Cyclizar has been seen equipped with metal seats and headlights, allowing humans to ride Cyclizar more easily and navigate. In other cases, it has been seen equipped with a jet seat, allowing it to move faster as seen with [[Team Star]].

Both {{p|Koraidon}} and {{p|Miraidon}} share a resemblance to Cyclizar, a detail noted in their own Pokédex entries and by several NPCs in {{g|Scarlet and Violet}}; it is later confirmed in the aforementioned games that they are ancient and futuristic versions of Cyclizar, respectively.

According to [[Jacq]], Cyclizar has three [[form]]s. First, Cyclizar's basic form is where it walks on all four legs. Second, the battle form is where it stands on its hind legs in order to battle. Finally, the ride form, which it assumes when humans ride on it. When Cyclizar is being ridden on, it puffs up its throat sac and curls its tail, making the appearance of wheels.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#FFF"
| class="roundy" style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | Basic form [[File:967Cyclizar Dream 3.png|120px]]
| class="roundy" style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | Battle form [[File:967Cyclizar Dream 2.png|120px]]
| class="roundy" style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | Ride form [[File:967Cyclizar Dream 4.png|120px]]
|}
{{left clear}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Dragon|type2=Normal}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=IX}}
{{Dex/Gen/3|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=295|reg2=Kitakami|reg3=Blueberry}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=Apparently Cyclizar has been allowing people to ride on its back since ancient times. Depictions of this have been found in 10,000-year-old murals.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=It can sprint at over {{tt|70 mph|115 km/h}} while carrying a human. The rider's body heat warms Cyclizar's back and lifts the Pokémon's spirit.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}
{|style="margin:auto; text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{normal color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color}}; font-size:80%; border-radius: 10px"
|-
|style="border:2px solid #{{dragon color light}}; background:#{{dragon color light}} | [[File:Pokédex Image Cyclizar SV.png|x200px]]
|-
| Cyclizar in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}
|-
|}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Dragon|type2=Normal}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IX}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Scarlet|v2=Violet|t=FFF|t2=FFF|area=East Province: [[East Province (Area One)|Area One]], [[East Province (Area Two)|Area Two]] West Province: [[West Province (Area One)|Area One]], [[West Province (Area Two)|Area Two]], [[West Province (Area Three)|Area Three]] West Province: [[Asado Desert]] ({{t|Flying}} [[Terastal phenomenon|Tera]] [[Type]]) [[Tera Raid Battle]]s ({{DL|List of 4★ Tera Raid Battles (Paldea)|Cyclizar|4★}}, {{DL|List of 6★ Tera Raid Battles (Paldea)|Cyclizar|6★}})}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====

===Held items===
===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Stats
|type=Dragon
|type2=Normal
|HP=70
|Attack=95
|Defense=65
|SpAtk=85
|SpDef=65
|Speed=121
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Normal
|Normal=100
|Fighting=200
|Flying=100
|Poison=100
|Ground=100
|Rock=100
|Bug=100
|Ghost=0
|Steel=100
|Fire=50
|Water=50
|Grass=50
|Electric=50
|Psychic=100
|Ice=200
|Dragon=200
|Dark=100
|Fairy=200
|notes=yes
|normal=yes
|newghost=1
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level9|7|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|50|100|40||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|11|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|14|Breaking Swipe|Dragon|Physical|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|18|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|23|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level9|27|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|31|Shed Tail|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|36|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|40|Shift Gear|Steel|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|45|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|51|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|57|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}

====By [[TM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM004|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM005|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM008|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM009|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM014|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM018|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM020|Trailblaze|Grass|Physical|50|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM027|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM035|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM044|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM050|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM060|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM066|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM078|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM087|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM099|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM108|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM115|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM117|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM124|Ice Spinner|Ice|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM126|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM147|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM156|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM157|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM169|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM181|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM191|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM200|Scale Shot|Dragon|Physical|25|90|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM204|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM205|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM207|Temper Flare|Fire|Physical|75|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM210|Supercell Slam|Electric|Physical|100|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM222|Breaking Swipe|Dragon|Physical|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM226|Dragon Cheer|Dragon|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0054|Psyduck}}{{MSP/H|0055|Golduck}}{{MSP/H|0086|Seel}}{{MSP/H|0087|Dewgong}}{{MSP/H|0194|Wooper}}{{MSP/H|0195|Quagsire}}{{MSP/H|0418|Buizel}}{{MSP/H|0419|Floatzel}}{{MSP/H|0501|Oshawott}}{{MSP/H|0502|Dewott}}{{MSP/H|0503|Samurott}}{{MSP/H|0503|Samurott|form=-Hisui}}{{MSP/H|0963|Finizen}}{{MSP/H|0964|Palafin}}|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|grid=7}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0025|Pikachu}}{{MSP/H|0026|Raichu}}{{MSP/H|0026|Raichu|form=-Alola}}{{MSP/H|0968|Orthworm}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|grid=7}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0232|Donphan}}{{MSP/H|0570|Zorua}}{{MSP/H|0570|Zorua|form=-Hisui}}{{MSP/H|0571|Zoroark}}{{MSP/H|0571|Zoroark|form=-Hisui}}{{MSP/H|0810|Grookey}}{{MSP/H|0811|Thwackey}}{{MSP/H|0812|Rillaboom}}{{MSP/H|0908|Meowscarada}}{{MSP/H|0944|Shroodle}}{{MSP/H|0945|Grafaiai}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|20|grid=7}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0967|Cyclizar}}{{tt|*|A wild Terastallized Cyclizar in Asado Desert knows this move.}}|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10|grid=7}}
{{learnlist/breedf/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}

====Special moves====
{{learnlist/eventh/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}
{{learnlist/event9|[[Asado Desert|Wild Tera Pokémon]]|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/event9|[[Asado Desert|Wild Tera Pokémon]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/event9|[[Asado Desert|Wild Tera Pokémon]]|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/eventf/9|Cyclizar|Dragon|Normal|9}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Dragon|type2=Normal}}
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Dragon|ndex=0967
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=5
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=172
|attack=205
|defense=142
|fast={{m|Dragon Tail}}, {{m|Take Down}}
|special={{m|Dragon Claw}}, {{m|Body Slam}}, {{m|Trailblaze}}
}}
|}

===Evolution data===
<div style="float:center; display:flex; flex-flow:row wrap;">
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Normal
|pictype=art
|no1=0967
|name1=Cyclizar
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Normal}}
</div>

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=dragon|type2=normal}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=IX}}

{{Spritebox/HOME|ndex=0967}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|967|Cyclizar}}
==In the anime==
===Main series===
[[File:Cyclizar anime.png|thumb|250px|Cyclizar in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
====Major appearances====

====Minor appearances====
Cyclizar debuted in ''[[HZ009|Welcome to Paldea!]]'', under the ownership of a {{pkmn|Trainer}}.

Two Cyclizar appeared in [[HZ049]], under the ownership of two Trainers.

====Pokédex entries====
{{Animedexheader|Paldea}}
{{Animedexbody|HZ009|Cyclizar|Roy's Rotom Phone|Cyclizar, the Mount Pokémon. A {{t|Dragon}} and {{t|Normal}} type. Cyclizar lets people ride on its back as it runs like the wind. The rider's body heat gives it energy.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Paldea}}

===Pokémon: Paldean Winds===
A Cyclizar appeared in ''[[PPW01|Breathe Out]]'', under the ownership of a Trainer.

Another Cyclizar appeared in ''[[PPW03|Take a Breath]]'', under the ownership of [[Carmen]].

Another Trainer's Cyclizar appeared in ''[[PPW04|Breathe Together]]''.

===Biri-Biri===
A Cyclizar appeared in the music video for [[Biri-Biri]], under the ownership of [[Nemona]].

==In the manga==
==In the TCG==
{{main|Cyclizar (TCG)}}

==Trivia==
* Cyclizar shares its {{pkmn|category}} with {{p|Skiddo}} and {{p|Gogoat}}. They are all known as the Mount Pokémon.
* Cyclizar is the only:
** {{type|Dragon}} [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] in the {{egg|Field}} [[Egg Group]].
** [[List of Pokémon with unique base stat totals|Pokémon]] with a base stat total of 501.
** [[Generation IX]] Pokémon with a [[Paradox Pokémon]] counterpart.
*** It is also the only known Pokémon that is shorter than its {{p|Miraidon|future Paradox Pokémon relative}}, and the only non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] whose Paradox counterparts are Legendary Pokémon.
* Cyclizar is one of three Pokémon with more than one Paradox Pokémon counterpart, the others being {{p|Donphan}} and {{p|Volcarona}}.

===Origin===
Cyclizar may be based on lizards, most notably the {{wp|Dactyloidae|anole}} and the genera ''{{wp|Sitana}}'' and ''{{wp|Sarada (lizard)|Sarada}}'' — the latter two are collectively known as fan-throated lizards. It also has traits from other lizard species: its foot pads resemble those of the {{wp|gecko}}, its tail resembles the prehensile tail of the {{wp|chameleon}}, and its {{wp|Casque (anatomy)|casque}} appears to be based on that of the chameleon or the {{wp|Corytophanidae|helmeted lizards}}. Some elements of its design appear to be based on parts of a motorcycle: its casque resembles both a motorcycle windshield and a helmet, its cheeks are similar to turn signal lights, its rear looks like a motorcycle seat, and the protrusion on its chest together with its tail resemble rubber tires, the latter especially when curled.

Cyclizar may represent a "{{wp|Missing link (human evolution)|missing link}}" between {{p|Koraidon}} and {{p|Miraidon}}, with its anatomy reflecting an intermediate state between the two. For example, Koraidon's second and third digits are separated but connected by a skin membrane, whereas Cyclizar's seem to be partially fused, and Miraidon's are fully fused. Cyclizar and Miraidon share an elongated crest, subtympanic shields, a beak-like snout, and a lack of feathers, while Cyclizar and Koraidon share black tire-like scales on the tail and chest region, black pads on the inner sides of their feet, and a lack of exposed claws.

====Name origin====
Cyclizar may be a combination of ''cycle'' and ''lizard''.

Mototokage may be a combination of ''moto'' (Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese for motorcycle) and 蜥蜴 ''tokage'' (lizard).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Dragon|type2=Normal
|ja=モトトカゲ ''Mototokage''|jameaning=From ''{{tt|moto|Spanish and Portuguese for motorcycle}}'' and {{tt|蜥蜴 ''tokage''|lizard}}
|fr=Motorizard|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|moto|motorcycle}}'', ''{{tt|motorisé|motorized}}'', and ''{{tt|lézard|lizard}}''
|es=Cyclizar|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Mopex|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Moped}}'' and ''{{tt|Echse|lizard}}''
|it=Cyclizar|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=모토마 ''Motoma''|komeaning=From ''motorcycle'' and {{tt|도마뱀 ''domabaem''|lizard}}
|zh_cmn=摩托蜥 ''Mótuōxī''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|摩托車 / 摩托车 ''mótuō-chē''|motorcycle}} and {{tt|蜥蜴 ''xīyì''|lizard}}
|zh_yue=摩托蜥 ''Mōtoksīk''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|摩托車 ''mōtok-chē''|motorcycle}} and {{tt|蜥蜴 ''sīkyihk''|lizard}}
|hi=लिज़ाबाइक ''Lizabike''|himeaning=From ''lizard'' and ''bike''
|th=โมโตโทคาเงะ ''Motothokha-nge''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
{{-}}

==Related articles==
* {{p|Koraidon}}
* {{p|Miraidon}}
* [[Paradox Pokémon]]

==References==
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==External links==
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|}
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[[fr:Motorizard]]
[[it:Cyclizar]]
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[[zh:摩托蜥]]

Talk:Sandwich

2024-01-21T04:08:10Z

Yamitora1: /* fate of fallen/dropped ingredients/bread */ there are eating sounds

== fate of fallen/dropped ingredients/bread ==

should it be mentioned in the article or a trivia section that any ingredients that fall off the sandwich or is otherwise dropped by the player is quickly claimed and devoured by the player's Pokémon with their cry indicating who has snatched the sandwich ingredient in question? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
: Is there any indication that they're "claiming and eating" dropped ingredients? If there was an accompanying "eating sound effect" along with the cry, then it's a feasible explanation, but just the Pokémon's cry alone could just as easily be them essentially complaining/scolding you for messing up the sandwich, or a general reaction to you dropping it. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 23:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::It appears there is an accompanied sound of eating. I made a sandwich and dropped several different ingredients and there were crunch sounds, scarfing down sounds and other sound effects that accompanied the cries from the Pokémon in the party. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sandwich

2024-01-20T20:23:33Z

Yamitora1: /* fate of fallen/dropped ingredients/bread */ new section

List of English language Rival Destinies home video releases (Region 1)

2023-03-26T14:27:17Z

Yamitora1: /* The Complete Season */ this had the wrong region color

{{incomplete|needs=Catalogue numbers}}
The following is a list of all of the English language home video releases of the fifteenth season of the [[Pokémon anime]], ''[[S15|Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies]]'', in {{pmin|the United States}} and {{pmin|Canada}} ({{wp|DVD region code|DVD Region 1}}).

==Partial collections==
Three ''Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies'' DVD sets were released between 2013-2014 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}, containing the whole season between them. The first sets contain two discs each, while the third set contains four discs. Optional English closed captioning is included on the DVDs.

===Set 1===
[[File:BW Rival Destinies DVD 1.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 1]]
Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 1 was released on September 10, 2013. It contains two discs with 12 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW049|Enter Elesa, Electrifying Gym Leader!]]'' ''[[BW050|Dazzling the Nimbasa Gym!]]'' ''[[BW051|Lost at the Stamp Rally!]]'' ''[[BW052|Ash Versus the Champion!]]'' ''[[BW053|A Maractus Musical!]]'' ''[[BW054|The Four Seasons of Sawsbuck!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 2
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW055|Scraggy and the Demanding Gothita!]]'' ''[[BW056|The Lonely Deino!]]'' ''[[BW057|The Mighty Accelguard to the Rescue!]]'' ''[[BW058|A Call for Brotherly Love!]]'' ''[[BW059|Stopping the Rage of Legends! Part 1]]'' ''[[BW060|Stopping the Rage of Legends! Part 2]]''
|}
{{-}}
===Set 2===
[[File:BW Rival Destinies DVD 2.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 2]]
Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 2 was released on December 3, 2013. It contains two discs with 12 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW061|Battling the King of the Mines!]]'' ''[[BW062|Crisis at Chargestone Cave!]]'' ''[[BW063|Evolution Exchange Excitement!]]'' ''[[BW064|Explorers of the Hero's Ruin!]]'' ''[[BW065|Battling the Bully!]]'' ''[[BW066|Baffling the Bouffalant!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 2
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW067|Cilan Takes Flight!]]'' ''[[BW068|An Amazing Aerial Battle!]]'' ''[[BW069|Climbing the Tower of Success!]]'' ''[[BW070|The Clubsplosion Begins!]]'' ''[[BW071|Search for the Clubultimate!]]'' ''[[BW072|A Clubsplosion of Excitement!]]''
|}
{{-}}
===Set 3===
[[File:BW Rival Destinies DVD 3.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 3]]
Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - Set 3 was released on March 18, 2014. It contains four discs with 25 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW073|Commanding the Clubsplosion Crown!]]'' ''[[BW074|Battling the Leaf Thieves!]]'' ''[[BW075|A Restoration Confrontation! Part 1]]'' ''[[BW076|A Restoration Confrontation! Part 2]]'' ''[[BW077|Evolution by Fire!]]'' ''[[BW078|Guarding the Guardian of the Mountain!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2
| ''[[BW079|Caution: Icy Battle Conditions!]]'' ''[[BW080|Clash of the Connoisseurs!]]'' ''[[BW081|Crisis at Ferroseed Research!]]'' ''[[BW082|An Epic Defense Force!]]'' ''[[BW083|Rocking the Virbank Gym! Part 1]]'' ''[[BW084|Rocking the Virbank Gym! Part 2]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3
| ''[[BW085|All for the Love of Meloetta!]]'' ''[[BW086|Piplup, Pansage, and a Meeting of the Times!]]'' ''[[BW087|Expedition to Onix Island!]]'' ''[[BW088|The Mystery of the Missing Cubchoo!]]'' ''[[BW089|Iris and the Rogue Dragonite!]]'' ''[[BW090|Jostling for the Junior Cup!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 4
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW091|Battling Authority Once Again!]]'' ''[[BW092|Ash, Iris, and Trip: Then There Were Three!]]'' ''[[BW093|Goodbye, Junior Cup - Hello Adventure!]]'' ''[[BW094|The Road to Humilau!]]'' ''[[BW095|Unrest at the Nursery!]]'' ''[[BW096|Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!]]'' ''[[BW097|Unova's Survival Crisis!]]''
|}

==The Complete Season==
{{incomplete|section|needs=Disc divisions}}
[[File:Pokémon DW Rival Destinies The Complete Season.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - The Complete Season]]
Pokémon: BW Rival Destinies - The Complete Season, referred to as Pokémon The Series Black and White: Rival Destinies Complete Season on VIZ Media's website, is a [[Complete Collection]] DVD set that was released on March 15, 2022 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}. This Complete Collection contains six discs with 49 episodes across them combined. Its catalogue number is 3000088426 It consists of a single DVD case in a slip cover.

{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova}};"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|-
| N/A
|
|}

==External links==
* [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/dvd/black_white_rival_destinies.html Dogasu's Backpack - Pokémon BW Rival Destinies DVD Guide]
*VIZ Media's website
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-rival-destinies-set-1/10841 Pokémon: Black & White Rival Destinies, Set 1]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-rival-destinies-set-2/10842 Pokémon: Black & White Rival Destinies, Set 2]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-rival-destinies-set-3/10843 Pokémon: Black & White Rival Destinies, Set 3]

{{Home video}} 
{{DoubleProjectTag|Anime|Merchandise}}

[[Category:Lists of anime home video releases|Rival Destinies]]

List of English language Adventures in Unova and Beyond home video releases (Region 1)

2023-03-26T14:15:23Z

Yamitora1: /* The Complete Season */

{{incomplete|needs=Catalogue numbers}}
The following is a list of all of the English language home video releases of the sixteenth season of the [[Pokémon anime]], ''[[S16|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond]]'', in {{pmin|the United States}} and {{pmin|Canada}} ({{wp|DVD region code|DVD Region 1}}).

==Partial collections==
Two ''Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond'' DVD sets were released in 2014 and 2015 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}, containing the whole season between them. Optional English closed captioning is included on the DVDs.

===Set 1===
[[File:BW Adventures in Unova DVD 1.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova - Set 1]]
Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova - Set 1 was released on September 23, 2014. It contains four discs with 25 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova2}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova2}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW098|Beauties Battling for Pride and Prestige!]]'' ''[[BW099|A Surface to Air Tag Battle Team!]]'' ''[[BW100|A Village Homecoming!]]'' ''[[BW101|Drayden Versus Iris: Past, Present, and Future!]]'' ''[[BW102|Team Eevee and the Pokémon Rescue Squad!]]'' ''[[BW103|Curtain Up, Unova League!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2
| ''[[BW104|Mission: Defeat Your Rival!]]'' ''[[BW105|Lost at the League!]]'' ''[[BW106|Strong Strategy Steals the Show!]]'' ''[[BW107|Cameron's Secret Weapon!]]'' ''[[BW108|A Unova League Evolution!]]'' ''[[BW109|New Places... Familiar Faces!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3
| ''[[BW110|The Name's N!]]'' ''[[BW111|There's a New Gym Leader in Town!]]'' ''[[BW112|Team Plasma's Pokémon Power Plot!]]'' ''[[BW113|The Light of Floccesy Ranch!]]'' ''[[BW114|Saving Braviary!]]'' ''[[BW115|The Pokémon Harbor Patrol!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 4
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW116|The Fires of a Red-Hot Reunion!]]'' ''[[BW117|Team Plasma's Pokémon Manipulation!]]'' ''[[BW118|Secrets From Out of the Fog!]]'' ''[[BW119|Meowth, Colress and Team Rivalry!]]'' ''[[BW120|Ash and N: A Clash of Ideals!]]'' ''[[BW121|Team Plasma and the Awakening Ceremony!]]'' ''[[BW122|What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals!]]''
|}

===Set 2===
[[File:BW Adventures in Unova DVD 2.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond - Set 2]]
Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond - Set 2 was released on March 24, 2015. It contains three discs with 20 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova2}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova2}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW123|Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!]]'' ''[[BW124|Danger, Sweet as Honey!]]'' ''[[BW125|Cilan and the Case of the Purrloin Witness!]]'' ''[[BW126|Crowning the Scalchop King!]]'' ''[[BW127|The Island of Illusions!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2
| ''[[BW128|To Catch a Rotom!]]'' ''[[BW129|The Pirates of Decolore!]]'' ''[[BW130|Butterfree and Me!]]'' ''[[BW131|The Path That Leads to Goodbye!]]'' ''[[BW132|Searching for a Wish!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3
| ''[[BW133|Capacia Island UFO!]]'' ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]]'' ''[[BW135|Mystery on a Deserted Island!]]'' ''[[BW136|A Pokémon of a Different Color!]]'' ''[[BW137|Celebrating the Hero's Comet!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 4
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW138|Go, Go Gogoat!]]'' ''[[BW139|Team Rocket's Shocking Recruit!]]'' ''[[BW140|Survival of the Striaton Gym!]]'' ''[[BW141|Best Wishes Until We Meet Again!]]'' ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]''
|}

==The Complete Season==
{{incomplete|section|needs=Disc divisions}}
[[File:Adventures_in_Unova_Complete_Set_DVD.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season]]
Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season, referred to as Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season on VIZ Media's website, is a [[Complete Collection]] DVD set that was released on February 21, 2023 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}. This Complete Collection contains six discs with 45 episodes across them combined. Its catalogue number is 3000092292 It consists of a single DVD case in a slip cover.

{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova}};"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|-
| N/A
|
|}

==External links==
* [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/dvd/black_white_adventures_unova_beyond.html Dogasu's Backpack - Pokémon BW Adventures in Unova DVD Guide]
*VIZ Media's website
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-adventures-in-unova-set-1/11401 Pokémon: Black & White Adventures in Unova, Set 1]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-adventures-in-unova-set-2/11402 Pokémon: Black & White Adventures in Unova, Set 2]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-video-season-16/product/7392 Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond, Complete Season]

{{Home video}} 
{{DoubleProjectTag|Anime|Merchandise}}

[[Category:Lists of anime home video releases|Adventures in Unova and Beyond]]

List of English language Adventures in Unova and Beyond home video releases (Region 1)

2023-03-26T14:10:48Z

Yamitora1: updating the page for the latest release of the Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season

{{incomplete|needs=Catalogue numbers}}
The following is a list of all of the English language home video releases of the sixteenth season of the [[Pokémon anime]], ''[[S16|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond]]'', in {{pmin|the United States}} and {{pmin|Canada}} ({{wp|DVD region code|DVD Region 1}}).

==Partial collections==
Two ''Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond'' DVD sets were released in 2014 and 2015 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}, containing the whole season between them. Optional English closed captioning is included on the DVDs.

===Set 1===
[[File:BW Adventures in Unova DVD 1.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova - Set 1]]
Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova - Set 1 was released on September 23, 2014. It contains four discs with 25 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova2}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova2}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW098|Beauties Battling for Pride and Prestige!]]'' ''[[BW099|A Surface to Air Tag Battle Team!]]'' ''[[BW100|A Village Homecoming!]]'' ''[[BW101|Drayden Versus Iris: Past, Present, and Future!]]'' ''[[BW102|Team Eevee and the Pokémon Rescue Squad!]]'' ''[[BW103|Curtain Up, Unova League!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2
| ''[[BW104|Mission: Defeat Your Rival!]]'' ''[[BW105|Lost at the League!]]'' ''[[BW106|Strong Strategy Steals the Show!]]'' ''[[BW107|Cameron's Secret Weapon!]]'' ''[[BW108|A Unova League Evolution!]]'' ''[[BW109|New Places... Familiar Faces!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3
| ''[[BW110|The Name's N!]]'' ''[[BW111|There's a New Gym Leader in Town!]]'' ''[[BW112|Team Plasma's Pokémon Power Plot!]]'' ''[[BW113|The Light of Floccesy Ranch!]]'' ''[[BW114|Saving Braviary!]]'' ''[[BW115|The Pokémon Harbor Patrol!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 4
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW116|The Fires of a Red-Hot Reunion!]]'' ''[[BW117|Team Plasma's Pokémon Manipulation!]]'' ''[[BW118|Secrets From Out of the Fog!]]'' ''[[BW119|Meowth, Colress and Team Rivalry!]]'' ''[[BW120|Ash and N: A Clash of Ideals!]]'' ''[[BW121|Team Plasma and the Awakening Ceremony!]]'' ''[[BW122|What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals!]]''
|}

===Set 2===
[[File:BW Adventures in Unova DVD 2.png|thumb|200px|Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond - Set 2]]
Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond - Set 2 was released on March 24, 2015. It contains three discs with 20 episodes across them combined.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova2}}; border: 2px solid #{{colorschemedark|Unova2}}"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1
| ''[[BW123|Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!]]'' ''[[BW124|Danger, Sweet as Honey!]]'' ''[[BW125|Cilan and the Case of the Purrloin Witness!]]'' ''[[BW126|Crowning the Scalchop King!]]'' ''[[BW127|The Island of Illusions!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2
| ''[[BW128|To Catch a Rotom!]]'' ''[[BW129|The Pirates of Decolore!]]'' ''[[BW130|Butterfree and Me!]]'' ''[[BW131|The Path That Leads to Goodbye!]]'' ''[[BW132|Searching for a Wish!]]''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3
| ''[[BW133|Capacia Island UFO!]]'' ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]]'' ''[[BW135|Mystery on a Deserted Island!]]'' ''[[BW136|A Pokémon of a Different Color!]]'' ''[[BW137|Celebrating the Hero's Comet!]]''
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 4
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[BW138|Go, Go Gogoat!]]'' ''[[BW139|Team Rocket's Shocking Recruit!]]'' ''[[BW140|Survival of the Striaton Gym!]]'' ''[[BW141|Best Wishes Until We Meet Again!]]'' ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]''
|}

==The Complete Season==
{{incomplete|section|needs=Disc divisions}}
[[File:Pokémon BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season]]
Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season, referred to as Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond Complete Season on VIZ Media's website, is a [[Complete Collection]] DVD set that was released on February 21, 2023 by [[VIZ Media]] and distributed through {{wp|Warner Home Video}}. This Complete Collection contains six discs with 45 episodes across them combined. Its catalogue number is 3000092292 It consists of a single DVD case in a slip cover.

{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{colorschemelight|Unova}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|Sinnoh}};"
! Disc number
! Episodes
|-
| N/A
|
|}

==External links==
* [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/dvd/black_white_adventures_unova_beyond.html Dogasu's Backpack - Pokémon BW Adventures in Unova DVD Guide]
*VIZ Media's website
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-adventures-in-unova-set-1/11401 Pokémon: Black & White Adventures in Unova, Set 1]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-adventures-in-unova-set-2/11402 Pokémon: Black & White Adventures in Unova, Set 2]
**[https://www.viz.com/watch/tv-series/pokemon-black-and-white-video-season-16/product/7392 Pokémon The Series: Black & White Adventures in Unova and Beyond, Complete Season]

{{Home video}} 
{{DoubleProjectTag|Anime|Merchandise}}

[[Category:Lists of anime home video releases|Adventures in Unova and Beyond]]

Talk:Opportunist (Ability)

2023-01-24T06:22:58Z

Yamitora1: Tidy Up Move Does not activate this?

==Tidy up (Move) does not Activate?==
So in a Raid against Mausehold (Ghost Tera) it used Tidy up but my Espathra's Opportunist ability did not activate. I mean it might have just been a glitch given how broken SV is sometimes. If not it should be mentioned in this and the Tidy Up articles [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Luxray (Pokémon)

2022-05-22T16:40:51Z

Yamitora1: /* Lion-Lynx Demon origin */ new section

How can you say that Luxray is a reference to Shadow the Hedgehog and not realize how similar it is to [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Raidramon Raidramon]? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:Actually it doesn't look at all like either of them in my opinion. But it does in fact have similar looks and attitude to {{p|Manectric}}. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 14:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::An electric monster which has a blue, black, and yellow color scheme? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Ok, maybe those two are a lot different, but in opinion it's a lot more similar to Manectric than it is to Sonic. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 13:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Luxray is very similar to Manectric, but outside of the Pokémon 'universe', I have to say that it's very similar to Shadow. Although that way be a bit of a 'biased' opinion, since I have on multiple occasions tried to find the Pokémon equivalent of other characters, including ones in the Sonic the Hedgehog universe. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 03:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I personally don't care what happens, opinion is exactly the reason why this can't be in the trivia, we can never agree on how similar Luxray looks compared to anything since there is always someone who disagrees. Now who agrees that we should just stop this discussion and just keep comparatives to other characters (of Pokémon or other media) off the trivia section? I believe it would be best for us all. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 03:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Luxray does not look anything like Shadow. The only similarity is Luxray's Mane and Shadow's Head Spikes. If you will ever see any real similarity, it will be when Luxray stands up, and grows shoes and extra hair on his chest, and then he changes colour. And Luxray and Manectric... the only similarity is they are both electricity, and they both walk on all fours, and they may be similar in height.
::::::[[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 23:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== [Luxray] can't learn Scratch or any other claw-based moves ==

Zen Coyote's edit in the trivia section is technically incorrect because it ''can'' learn a claw-based move, Fury Cutter, through tutoring. [[User:Rpp|Rpp]] 00:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== External Links ==

I don't know why I can't edit this page, but, in fact, I have a link to an external Pokédex: [http://www.pokedexonline.com/ Pokedex Online.com by Sableye.]- ''unsigned comment from {{u|JetanHertz13}} ([[User talk:JetanHertz13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JetanHertz13|contribs]]) ''
:The page is protected because of some people making an iPhone application. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 21:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Besides, I doubt this website is notable enough to mention in External links. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

==Fire and Ice Fang==

Luxray can learn these moves via a move tutor on Platinum...[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 14:54, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:But there isn't a tutor in Platinum that can teach either {{m|Fire Fang}} or {{m|Ice Fang}}. Nor is there one in HGSS. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Luxray learns Fire Fang and Ice Fang via breeding. I've done it myself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Is it worth noting in the Trivia section (under his unique base stat total point) that each and every stage of the Luxray evolution line has a base stat total unique to them? Also, are there any other evolutionary lines that do this (I would assume there are, but still worth checking, I think)?--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 01:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect trivia ==

"Luxray is the only Electric-type Pokémon that can learn Superpower"—Eelektross and Thundurus can learn it too. I think I found a way to reword it, but I feel like I should have someone else's approval. I was thinking something like "Luxray is the only pre-Generation V Pokémon that can learn Superpower." [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 20:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry, my sentence was wrong. Anyway thanks to whoever removed the trivia. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 21:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

== Luxray's name and Luxor ==
For the English name origin, could we add that Luxray's name may also be derived from the name of the city of Luxor? Luxray is a sphinx, and Sphinxes are reminiscent of Egypt. Luxor has the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avenue_towards_Karnak.JPG Avenue of Sphinxes], as well. [[User:Amphy23|Amphy23]] ([[User talk:Amphy23|talk]]) 20:11, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

== Night Slash egg move ==

The article for Night Slash shows this, but not the articles for Shinx, Luxio & Luxray. Strangely enough, my HeartGold/SoulSilver Official Pocket Pokedex lists it, but my Official Pokemon Strategy Guide for Platinum Version does not. In any case, I've been breeding them with Night Slash as an egg move (in X version) not even realizing until now that it's an egg move. Idk how to edit the actual section on the pkmn's page, so I'm just lettin' y'all know! :) {{unsigned|Jaredhutcheson}}

== Sun and Moon Pokédex Entry? ==

Does anyone have the Sun and Moon in-game Pokédex entries for Luxray? The page still doesn't have anything past AS/OR. In the future, is there a template or something I should put there instead of bringing it up on the talk page?

Thank you! [[User:The Poetry Guy's Grandson|The Poetry Guy's Grandson]] ([[User talk:The Poetry Guy's Grandson|talk]]) 01:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
:Sun and Moon don't have in-game Pokédex entries for Pokémon that are not in the Alola Pokédex, since there's no longer a National Pokédex. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

== Sphinx ==

Luxray bears similarities to the Egyptian sphinx which has the body of a lion and head of a man; a pharaoh to be precise. It's face is short, it's ears are a slightly human-like, and pharaohs wore blue and yellow.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Pharaoh.svg
:Sphinx is already in the origin section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::There isn't much about it's connection to the sphinx in the origin section. It just mentioned Luxray having a cat-like body like the sphinx.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 12:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

== Lynx origin ==

There seems to be some confusion as to whether Luxray is inspired by a Lynx or a Lion or a Sphinx. I want to challenge those ideas and make the point that I am very certain Luxray is only inspired by a Lynx:

1. Luxray's Pokedex entry mentions its ability to see through walls. Its Japanese name references Roentgen, which 100% certainly is referenced by the "xray" in the English translated name. In mythology, the Lynx is said to have the ability to see through solid objects. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(mythology) ), I don't see this fact mentioned anywhere on the page.

2. As you can see from the linked Wikipedia page, the Lynx also has its own star constellation, which also features this much longer tail (lynxes tails usually are short): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(constellation)#History . Also very notable is the fact that the brightest star in this constellation is the one right at the tip of its tail, exactly where Luxray has the star-shaped tip. As a side-fact which may or may not be coincidence, the person who originally formed and named this constellation also used the name "tiger" for it, which might relate to the "tora" (tiger) in the Japanese name, although this is definitely debatable.

3. "Lux" is latin for light. The word "lynx" has the same etymology and also means "light".

4. Luxray's body anatomy / proportions only match a lynx. The lynx has a much shorter snout than big cats (which explains why some people saw the sphinx connection), and most importantly it's the only cat with this type of leg-height to body-length ratio (all cats except for the lynxes have a much longer body with shorter legs, forming a rectangle, whereas the lynxes body-leg-ratio is more similar to a dog/wolf or sometimes even longer, which matches up very well with Luxray's body proportions). On Deviantart you can see some people who tried to draw Luxray as a Lion instead and it just looks really weird as the proportions are completely off.
In addition to this, lynxes have these tufts of fur on their ears which give this shape that the tufts of fur have on Luxrays body as well. The Lynx is the only cat who has this.

5. The colors on Luxrays body are referencing the star constellation: Yellow spots for the stars, black and blue for the dark space and the blue sky. The circular ears aren't human ears; they are (circular) stars as evident by the fact that they are yellow.

As you can see, anything that had been explained by reaching for lions and sphinxes can in fact (better) be explained looking at lynxes exclusively. As such, I would suggest replacing the origin stuff about lions and sphinxes and refer to the Lynx mythology and star constellation instead.

[[User:Luxalpa|Luxalpa]] ([[User talk:Luxalpa|talk]]) 21:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

== Japanese Name origin ==

I saw Shinx' Chinese translation meaning "small cat freak", and now I'm wondering about whether there is a theme, as Luxray's Japanese name could also be read as Roentgen-Lover (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC#Etymology_2 , https://kaikki.org/dictionary/Japanese/meaning/%E3%83%A9/%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC/%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC.html ). Maybe there is something similar for Luxio as well? {{unsigned|Luxalpa}}

== Lion-Lynx Demon origin ==

Could there be some inspiration from the Lion-Lynx Demon aka the Azure Lion from Journey to the West? I mean we have the Infernape line which is clearly based on Sun Wukong of Journey to the West [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Kamado

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Yamitora1: /* Kamado from Galar? */

==Kamado from Galar?==
In the in-game text, when you rematch Kamado, he says:
: ''Hrrrm! I’ve donned this traditional Galarian armor, and I trust you know what that means! I ain’t holdin’ nothin’ back for this battle!''

Also, it is noted elsewhere in the texts:
: ''Galaxy Hall’s built in a modern style. We worked in design elements from the Galar region, too.''

[[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

::I Would say he is, possibly from whatever settlement existed on route 8 and Circhester. Might be worth mentioning in the article if we can get some more info. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:16, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Professor Laventon by all means is from Galar. Even so we don't say that Galar is his home region on that page because there hasn't been explicit confirmation that it's his home region. So unless if Kamado explicitly says where he's from in a future Manga, we wouldn't be listing it here. I'd also like to point out that the Japanese script of Legends has him taking on an accent of the Kansai region, which Johto is based off of, and the fact that Laventon and Cyllene are the only two characters in the game with western sounding names. If we're just speculating, Kamado has definitely visited Galar at some point, but we're left with hints of him being from Johto too. [[User:Dot455|Dot455]] ([[User talk:Dot455|talk]]) 12:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

:Well Professor Laventon is not necessarily form Galar. He states in Raichu's dex entry that Copperajah lives in his homeland, which Copperajah are not native to Galar. so its possible he migrated from their homeland first to Galar and then to Hisui. Plus We don't even know if at this point of history rather or not Copperajah have been exported to Galar yet or to an extent that it is enough to give them a wild population of the species. Currently it seems Zigzagoon haven't been introduced to Hisui from Galar since none are in the wild and none have obtained their hoennian form. Galar is the UK and more or less Hisui Japan and wherever Copperajah/Laventon is from is likely India/Southeast Asia and the UK is infamous for their imperialism of Asian/South East Asian countries and each country the UK went to more or less tried to assimilate to the UK culture (for better or worse, and willingly or not) and those from the UK tried to borrow from the cultures of the lands they were visiting to both to ease locals wariness around foreigners, also as a wolf in sheep's clothing type tactic, as well as tourist behavior and the old practice of "when in Rome." So its possible Kamado is just a foreigner trying his hardest to put on a tough guy act for his people while also trying to assimilate and not be at odds with the locals even if he borrows from other regions to fill in his lack of knowledge of the Hisui region's language and culture. Plus even if the region he's from is based on a place outside of japan like the UK, France or the US, this is a Japanese franchise we're talking about, so regardless they're going blend it with Japanese culture. So with that said things like Sumo and Samurai being in Galar culture wouldn't be such a stretch and even the Galar Armor Kamado wears has Samurai accents to it, and Galar does have the Isle of Armor dojo that is definitely not UK inspired. I do have to ask, is there some context to Kamado speaking in a accent from the Kansai region in a Japanese view point? Like is that their version of a hillbilly or southern accent? Like in the us if you want a character to sound "classy" you give them Mid-Atlantic/Locust Valley lockjaw accent like Mr. Howell on Gilligan's Island (or the big jaw guy off family guy) and if you want them to sound "low class" you give them a southern/deep south accent. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:46, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Galar

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Yamitora1: /* Male Pokémon Professor Trivia */ new section

== Great Britain Flipped ==

To me it seems that Galar is based on the isle of Great Britain, but flipped vertically, such that the thick end of the region is to the north, whereas the thick end of Great Britain is to the south.

There even seems to be an analogue for London on the north end of Galar.

Despite this, the mountains suggest the Scottish Highlands.

Thoughts?

[[User:Bravebravesirbrian|Bravebravesirbrian]] ([[User talk:Bravebravesirbrian|talk]]) 01:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

That seems accurate, although some of the landmarks might have been moved around a bit.

Galar could have an etymological basis in Gael/Gallia. Wiktionary, for example, lists Galles and Galler as words referring to Wales in several different languages, so it seems logical to me.
[[User:Vulpes Erevos|Vulpes Erevos]] ([[User talk:Vulpes Erevos|talk]]) 06:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Galar is Great Britain flipped around with some of the landmarks moved around, for examples...

* The Scottish Highlands are located where Southern England is supposed to be.
* The Manchester City is where Newcastle should be
* The Birmingham City is where Manchester should be
* Liverpool (The snowy city) is where North Wales is

But apart from those minor changes, the location of others are still accurate...

* Kilburn has a Hill Figure of a horse, despite the design being based on that found in Southern England.
* Blackpool, despite having a Lighthouse instead of a Tower, although Fleetwood nearby has Lighthouses.
* Buxton and Sherwood Forest seems accurate enough to me.
* The rows of houses could be Southport by basing the locations on geography.

But aside from all those, Great Britain being flipped should be mentioned on this page, you should say, ''As seen from the North.''

Also to note, one of the names of a lake in the E3 showcase in Treehouse Live has ''South written'', and it's the nearest to the Manchester City and Wall.

[[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 02:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

== Geographic Locations ==

As someone who lives in the North of England who have known the Island's geographic locations all by heart, I can help describe to you of which location is inspired...

As the first post stated, Galar is based on Great Britain, but flipped upside-down. Yet like the other Pokemon Region maps based on other worldwide locations, the geography changes slightly, like for example with Galar, the Scottish Highlands and the Southern English countryside has been flipped, and some of the cities have been moved about. Mostly the ones located in the North of England.

The Hometown geography-wise is located where Inverness could be, with the lake nearby being the famous Loch Ness.

The lakeland area north of it I believe is The Lake District (even though it's located at the north-western point of England), which is a very popular tourist spot for Japanese/Chinese Tourists, with a large railway viaduct similar to those found in Scotland.

The wall in front of the First City, which would've spanned across the landscape, in geography-terms is loosely based on Hadrian's Wall.

The First City, whilst some think of it being Newcastle or Edinburgh because of geography, from the architecture, history of steam and industry, the bridges (Castlebridge Canal and Railway Bridges), the red brickwork and the tower (Manchester City Hall), I can tell that that city is in fact based around Britain's third largest city, Manchester.

The area of where the Grass Type Gym is located, with the white chalk Hill Figure of the Legendary Pokemon, is inspired by the Uffington White Horse by design (which is in reality located in the south of England), but happens to be located geography to another Hill Figure horse found in Kilburn, North York Moors.

The Water Type Gym sea town is in geography-terms Blackpool (Blackpool Tower) and Fleetwood (harbour and lighthouses).

The houses north of the Water Type town might be that of Southport.

The icy town with Gym, though located where North Wales is, could be based on Liverpool (Liverpool City Hall).

The Second City is although located Geography to where Manchester should be, is based on the second largest city, Birmingham, with it's many canals, tower (BT Tower) and castle walls that's based on nearby Warwick Castle.

The rocky area with water and Gym could be Buxton, which is known for it's spring mineral waters and quarries in The Peak District.

The fungus forest north of that is the well known Sherwood Forest (Robin Hood fame)

The final city is no doubt-ably London with last Gym and Pokemon League.

https://www.deviantart.com/shironakarius/art/Galar-Region-Great-Britain-s-Locations-788209862

This is all I have came up with and studied within the geography of the map alone compared with real life. Sure there would be other locations, Southern England locations mixed in there, I'm just giving you the basis to the whole scene.[[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 21:15, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

== Galar League ==

Galar League says Generation VI when it should be Generation VIII. I can't change it myself due to the page being protected. [[User:Arctic|Arctic]] ([[User talk:Arctic|talk]]) 22:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
:I see someone changed it, but now it says VII instead of the correct VIII. [[User:Arctic|Arctic]] ([[User talk:Arctic|talk]]) 12:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thank you for catching those errors, they've been corrected. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:15, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

== Can I please help with the geography? ==

I live in the UK all my life, and have known many of the locations all by heart, so helping you with the geographic locations could be useful for your help. I've already posted a list above. I'm just concerned that you may get some of the geography wrong. Yes I know some of the areas are based on other locations such as the three big cities are based on Manchester (when it's location is where Newcastle is), Birmingham and Warwick Castle (when it's location is where Manchester is) and London. Please reply back? [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 01:14, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

== Galar's Pokemon world location ==

Am I safe to assume that Galar is somewhere east of Sinnoh? Since there is only East Sea Shellos and Gastrodon found in this region. [[User:ReignBough|ReignBough]] ([[User talk:ReignBough|talk]]) 09:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

== Editing the page ==

There’s some information I want to add to the page, but it’s “protected”. Is there any way to get around this or have someone else edit it?
[[User:MrFeeds|MrFeeds]] ([[User talk:MrFeeds|talk]]) 19:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
:It's semi protected, new users can't edit the page, until the new year. If you want something edited in the mean time, you can make a request on the talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:09, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

== Starter Trivia ==

Could I put in the trivia section that the Galar starter trio have the lowest base friendship of all starters (50 as opposed to 70).LaprasLaplace 21:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

== Geography Trivia ==

I think it is a relevant trivia that Galar is the first region to correspond to more than one country instead of just a part of a country. While the first 4 are parts of Japan, Unova and Alola are parts of USA and Kalos is half the Metropolitan France, Galar covers the entirety of England, Wales and Scotland, or at least their mainlands. {{unsigned|Monteparnas}}
:The problem with that is that the definition of country is loose. All four parts of the UK can be called countries, but so can the UK as a whole. Either way, the trivia wouldn't be true as Sinnoh was the first. It was mainly based on part of Japan, but it included a small part of Russia. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Although I concede in regards to the UK, I still think it should be there in some form. And Sinnoh specifically states that the Battle Frontier isn't actually a part of the region, being more similar to how Johto and Kanto are accessible in a single game but aren't the same region. That puts Sakhalin outside the region. The only thing still to debate would be if the Pokémon League is enough to qualify Khunashir as a part of the region, everything else in sinnoh is purely in Japan.{{unsigned|Monteparnas}}

Who unsigned my comments and why was I barred from correcting them? [[User:Monteparnas|Monteparnas]] ([[User talk:Monteparnas|talk]]) 17:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I din't forget to sign the second post, only the first.[[User:Monteparnas|Monteparnas]] ([[User talk:Monteparnas|talk]]) 17:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:You added it after the initial comment post. That doesn't count as signing your post. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

::I just thought that I'd add that [[Azure Bay]] and [[Sea Spirit's Den]] in [[Kalos]] are thought to be inspired by the {{wp|Channel Islands}}, which aren't a part of France. Perhaps a valid piece of trivia would be "Galar is based upon more real-world countries than any other region"? [[User:Pale Prism|Pale Prism]] ([[User talk:Pale Prism|talk]]) 21:41, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:::It's only based upon one ''sovereign state'' though, the United Kingdom. England, Wales, and Scotland are all part of the same greater independent political entity. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 00:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I think [[User:Pale Prism|Pale Prism]]'s idea still a good trivia to add. Despite sovereignty, other regions consistently depicted just a part of a country, never such a big proportion of it, and never had cities or towns on more than one country, the "extra-territorial" islands being devoid of towns in both Sinnoh and Kalos, while Galar at least have a town in Wales. Even Kalos is only half of continental France, not to mention the French Guiana, Galar only misses Northern Ireland to be the entirety of the UK, keeping in mind that other Crown Dependencies aren't a part of UK. This proportion is certainly an interesting feature of the region.[[User:Monteparnas|Monteparnas]] ([[User talk:Monteparnas|talk]]) 00:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
:”Galar is the only region to be based upon multiple parts of one country” would be such a specific and non notable piece of trivia to add that it just wouldn’t be worth it. Besides, Kalos is comprised of multiple regions of France— Normandy, Brittany, Île-de-France, etc. This doesn’t work as a trivia point. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 13:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

::Not to mention, [[Johto]] is based upon two different {{wp|Prefectures of Japan|prefecture}}s of {{wp|Japan}}: {{wp|Kansai region|Kansai}} and {{wp|Shikoku region|Shikoku}}. I don't really feel that strongly about the inclusion of this piece of trivia; I was just providing some extra information and suggestions. [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]] are each based upon one prefecture of Japan, Johto's based upon two prefectures of Japan, [[Sinnoh]]'s based upon one prefecture of Japan and one {{wp|Federal subjects of Russia|federal subject}} of {{Wp|Russia}}, [[Unova]] and [[Alola]] are each based upon one state of the {{wp|United States}}, [[Kalos]]'s based upon eight (nine, ten?) {{wp|Regions of France|region}}s of {{wp|France}} and two (one?) {{wp|Crown Dependencies}} and [[Galar]]'s based upon three countries of the {{wp|United Kingdom}}. People can do with that information what they like. [[User:Pale Prism|Pale Prism]] ([[User talk:Pale Prism|talk]]) 23:11, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

== Male Pokémon Professor Trivia ==

Does Cedric Juniper count as a professor enough to warrant this trivia about Galar not having a Male Pokémon Professor? I mean in the Pokémon Professor article he is relegated as a honorable mention, not listed next to his daughter under BWB2W2 in the same way Sonia is listed next to her Grandmother in SWSH. Heck, the Pokémon Professor article doesn't even mentions [[Grand Oak]]. From my understanding Cedric Juniper is retired and is not the active Professor of the Unova Region. If a SWSH sequel came out where Professor Oak shows up in Galar as a retiree, or Grand Oak's lab is somewhere in the Galar region does that null and void the trivia about Galar not having a Male Professor? What are the rules here? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Galar

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Yamitora1: /* Trivia */ Unova didn't have a male professor either.

{{RegionInfobox
|regioncolor=galar
|name=Galar
|jname=ガラル
|tmname=Galar
|image=Galar artwork.png
|size=300
|caption=Artwork of the Galar region from {{g|Sword and Shield}}
|introduction={{g|Sword and Shield}}
|professor=[[Professor Magnolia]] [[Sonia]]
|starter={{p|Grookey}}, {{p|Scorbunny}}, and {{p|Sobble}}
|villain=[[Team Yell]] (minor) [[Macro Cosmos]] (major)
|league=[[Galar League]]
|location=[[Wyndon Stadium]]
|pokelist=[[List of Pokémon by Galar Pokédex number|Galar Pokédex]] [[List of Pokémon by Isle of Armor Pokédex number|Isle of Armor Pokédex]] [[List of Pokémon by Crown Tundra Pokédex number|Crown Tundra Pokédex]]
|generation={{Gen|VIII}}
|games={{pkmn|Sword and Shield}}
|series=''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]''
|season=[[S23|Journeys]] (23) [[S24|Master Journeys]] (24)
|manga=''[[PASS01|Wow!! That's One Big Pokémon]]''
}}
The '''Galar''' region (Japanese: '''ガラル{{tt|地方|ちほう}}''' ''Galar {{tt|region|chihō}}'') is a [[region]] of the [[Pokémon world]], and the eighth [[core series]] region to be introduced. It is the setting of {{g|Sword and Shield}}.

==Etymology and design concept==
===Etymology===
Galar may have been derived from ''gallant'', ''gala'' (a special occasion), or ''{{wp|Galahad}}''. It may also come from an anagram of ''San-Graal'', the French name of the {{wp|Holy Grail}}. Another possible etymology may be ''galar'', Irish and Scottish Gaelic for "disease," in reference to either [[Dynamax]] and {{p|Eternatus}} or one of Britain's nicknames, Blighty.

===Design concept===
{{main|Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Galar|Pokémon world in relation to the real world → Galar}}
Galar is based on the {{wp|United Kingdom}}.<ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/we-interview-junichi-masuda-and-shigeru-ohmori-about-pokemon-sword-and-pokemon-shield/ We Interview Junichi Masuda and Shigeru Ohmori about ''Pokémon Sword'' and ''Pokémon Shield'' | Pokemon.com]</ref> The main part of Galar focuses heavily on the island of Great Britain, especially {{wp|England}} and (to a lesser extent) {{wp|Wales}}. However, the orientation of the landmass is flipped upside-down compared to real-world Great Britain: for example, Northern Galar is based on southern England. The parts of Galar introduced in the [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass]] are based on other parts of the UK. The [[Isle of Armor]] is based on the {{wp|Isle of Man}}, a self-governing crown dependency of the United Kingdom,<ref>[https://twitter.com/pokemonnewsuk/status/1216731889920368643?s=21 Tweet regarding Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra's inspiration]</ref> and the [[Crown Tundra]] is based on {{wp|Scotland}}.

==History==
===Dated history===
The following events are dated in relation to the events of {{g|Sword and Shield}}:
* 20,000 years prior: A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in Galar.
* c. 3,000 years prior: A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred across Galar and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* 50 years prior: [[Mustard]] defeated [[Opal]] and went on to become Galar's {{pkmn|Champion}}.
* 32 years prior: [[Mustard]] loses his position as Galar's Champion. After retiring from the Pokémon League and traveling the world, Mustard returned to Galar, bought an island, named it the "Isle of Armor", and founded the [[Master Dojo]].

===Contemporary history===
====Sword and Shield====
{{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and their best friend, [[Hop]], receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}} and Hop's brother. Shortly thereafter, they meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. As they begin their {{pkmn|journey}}, they receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They travel across Galar, challenging [[Gym]]s to earn the eight [[Badge]]s they need to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}}, bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for Galar for 1,000 years. To stop Rose's plan, Victor/Gloria and Hop search for the [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] in the Slumbering Weald, and with those [[item]]s in hand, they head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]] to face Rose. Victor/Gloria battles and defeats Rose, then joins Leon and Hop to face Eternatus; in the course of the battle, the Rusted Sword and Rusted Shield summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}} (respectively) to their aid. After defeating Eternatus, Victor/Gloria manages to catch it. They then return to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.

After becoming Champion, Hop and Victor/Gloria travel back to the Slumbering Weald to return the Rusted Sword and Rusted Shield. While there, they encounter an odd pair of brothers, [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who proclaim themselves descendants of the original kings of Galar and steal the Rusted Sword and Rusted Shield. The brothers seek to undermine Zacian and Zamazenta's reputation as saviors of Galar by turning them instead into threats. As an experiment to further their plan, they release Dynamax particles across Galar, sending multiple Dynamax Pokémon out of control across multiple stadiums. Victor/Gloria, Hop, and then-former [[Gym Leader]] [[Piers]] set out to stop the rampaging Pokémon, while Sonia tracks the brothers. The group finds them at the Hammerlocke Energy Plant, where they attempt to use Dynamax particles to send Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zacian{{sup/8|Sh}} into an uncontrollable fury. Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zacian{{sup/8|Sh}} resists, instead attacking Shielbert{{sup/8|Sw}}/Sordward{{sup/8|Sh}}. With the help of Hop and Zacian{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sh}}, Victor/Gloria successfully calms Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zacian{{sup/8|Sh}}. Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zacian{{sup/8|Sh}} then flees, pursued by Hop, while Zacian{{sup/8|Sw}}/Zamazenta{{sup/8|Sh}} allows Victor/Gloria to catch them by defeating them in battle. Victor/Gloria and their new Pokémon return to find Hop in the Slumbering Weald. There, Hop successfully calms and catches Zamazenta/Zacian, and challenges Victor/Gloria to one final battle.

====The Isle of Armor====
The player travels to the [[Isle of Armor]] off the coast of Galar and becomes an apprentice in the local [[Master Dojo]], a [[battle facility]] run by former Champion [[Mustard]]. They also develop a new [[rival]]ry with a Gym Leader-in-training and fellow apprentice named [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}. Victor/Gloria enrolls and takes part in a series of trials, first chasing a trio of fast Galarian {{p|Slowpoke}}, searching for Max Mushrooms, and having a final showdown with Klara/Avery. In doing so, Victor/Gloria proves to be Mustard's best student since [[Leon]], as claimed by Mustard himself. As a reward for completing Mustard's trials, they are given a {{p|Kubfu}} as a companion to raise, with the goal of raising it into a great {{p|Urshifu}}. After developing a strong bond with {{p|Kubfu}}, Victor/Gloria heads to the [[Tower of Darkness]] or the [[Tower of Waters]], and completes a rite of passage to ultimately earn the right to evolve Kubfu into Urshifu. After Victor/Gloria become Champion of Galar, they are tasked by Mustard to find [[Max Honey]] for Urshifu to achieve [[Gigantamax]] transformation, and work alongside Hop to find it. Once Urshifu has achieved the ability to Gigantamax, Victor/Gloria have a final showdown with Mustard, who now holds nothing back, and prevails. Mustard congratulates them, and tells them to be ready for [[Galarian Star Tournament|what's to come]].

====The Crown Tundra====
The player travels to the [[Crown Tundra]] in southern Galar, where they meet [[Peony]], an enthusiastic former {{type|Steel}} Gym Leader and Champion as well as the younger brother of [[Rose]], and take his daughter [[Peonia]]'s place in his explorations of solving the legends lurking around the Tundra, since Peonia refuses to do so. As such, Peony assigns Victor/Gloria as the leader of his "expedition team" and tasks them with searching for various [[Legendary Pokémon]] who are known to reside in the Crown Tundra. One of these Pokémon is the King of Bountiful Harvests, a known figurehead in the Crown Tundra and its small town of [[Freezington]], but one whose stories are now only known to a few. Victor/Gloria eventually meets this Pokemon after restoring its statue, who reveals its name to be {{p|Calyrex}}, while it uses [[Peony]] as a means to communicate with them. It reveals that it had lost its power over the years as less and less people believed in it, and it eventually lost the ability to bring bountiful harvests. Calyrex tasks Victor/Gloria with creating the Reins of Unity (which Peony successfully creates) and planting either an Iceroot Carrot or Shaderoot Carrot in hopes of reclaiming its long lost steed, who is later revealed to be {{p|Glastrier}}/{{p|Spectrier}}. They eventually lure the steed into the Crown Shrine, and Calyrex takes its Reins of Unity and bonds with Glastrier or Spectrier once more, achieving its full power again. Now having regained its power, Calyrex allows Victor/Gloria to challenge it to a battle to catch it, and they succeed in doing so. Calyrex thanks the player and looks forward to the journeys they will share.

In the midst of doing so, Victor/Gloria explores the entirety of the Crown Tundra, discovering several ruins that uncover the [[Legendary titans]], including two newly discovered ones in {{p|Regieleki}} and {{p|Regidrago}}. They also discover a tree where Galarian forms of the [[Legendary birds]] come, and chases them all around Galar, one in the Crown Tundra itself, one in the Isle of Armor, and one in Galar's own Wild Area.

In doing all this, Victor/Gloria eventually reports these back to Peony, and eventually they go all the way to the [[Max Lair]] and rejoin Peonia, in which they all partake in [[Dynamax Adventure]]s. In the midst of these, it is revealed a strange Pokémon appeared in the Max Lair and multiple [[Ultra Beast]]s came as well: eventually, Victor/Gloria discover that it was in fact {{p|Necrozma}}, and reports it to Peony, which is then noticed by the scientist running the [[Max Lair]].

After having explored the [[Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call from [[Leon]], who formally invites them to the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] in Wyndon, which involves two-on-two [[Multi Battle]]s, and Victor/Gloria partners with either Hop or Marnie in a series of battles against all of Galar's Gym Leaders and emerges victorious.

==Geography==
[[File:Galar Adventures.png|thumb|250px|Galar in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
The Galar region is an expansive region, including varied environments such as idyllic countrysides, contemporary cities, and snow-covered mountains. Galar comprises a long mainland area as well as an outlying island area, the [[Isle of Armor]], east of the mainland.

The extreme south of the Galarian mainland includes the [[Crown Tundra]]. This area is isolated from the rest of the mainland by a tall mountain range, which extends north along both mainland coasts. However, the Galarian train system allows for travel through these mountains.

Just north of the southern mountains, in the broad valley between its coastal spurs, lie the dense [[Slumbering Weald]] and nearby village of [[Postwick]]. This valley also marks the beginning of a long stretch of plains dotted with hills, ending just north of [[Hammerlocke]], that cover the majority of mainland Galar. These plains are home to two of the three main cities in Galar: Hammerlocke and [[Motostoke]]. Various arid, rocky environments sit at the northern edges of the plains, including the cliffs outside [[Stow-on-Side]] on {{rt|6|Galar}} and the ruins south of [[Circhester]] on {{rt|8|Galar}}. In northwest Galar, surrounding [[Ballonlea]], is the [[Glimwood Tangle]], a thick, gloomy forest. East of this forest lies a broad tundra that includes the city of Circhester and a range of mountains that separates the metropolis of [[Wyndon]] from the rest of Galar.

The Isle of Armor sits in the sea to the east, closest to the mainland town of [[Spikemuth]]. Much of the isle consists of rolling hills and tree-filled valleys that rise from its long beaches. Despite being an island, it is connected to mainland Galar's train system with dedicated [[Flying Taxi]]s.

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, it was revealed Galar is far enough away from Kanto (and presumably Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh) to require airplanes for travel between them. Dialogue in [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|the games]] reveals that Galar is within swimming distance of Kalos.

===Demographics===
The Galar region has a total population of 727, including all towns, cities, and other areas. Upon its introduction in [[Generation VIII]], it became the {{tt|fifth|While Sinnoh has a lower population than Galar in Diamond and Pearl, it has a higher population in Platinum.}} largest region by population.

===Notable locations===
Galar has 12 cities and towns. Like in [[Unova]], [[Kalos]], and [[Alola]], Galarian route numbers start from 1, likely due to the geographical isolation of these regions from both the original four regions and each other. There are 10 routes in total, all on the Galarian mainland, divided into four groups:
* {{rt|1|Galar}} & {{rt|2|Galar}} in southern Galar, around [[Wedgehurst]] and surrounding locations;
* {{rt|3|Galar}}, {{rt|4|Galar}}, & {{rt|5|Galar}} in central Galar, forming a loop between [[Motostoke]] and the nearby towns;
* {{rt|6|Galar}}, {{rt|7|Galar}}, {{rt|8|Galar}}, & {{rt|9|Galar}} in central Galar, around [[Hammerlocke]] and the nearby towns; and
* {{rt|10|Galar}} in northern Galar, connecting to the southern gates of [[Wyndon]].
Unlike in most other regions, it is impossible to travel through Galar using just these routes. Instead, a train system connects different cities and towns, and thus connects the different sets of routes.

The Galar region also has a extensive area called the [[Wild Area]] which adjoins several towns and cities in the region.

====Settlements====
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{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{galar color dark}}; {{roundy|5px}}; border: 2px solid #{{galar color}}"
|- style="color:#FFF"
! style="background:#{{galar color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Map
! style="background:#{{galar color}}" | Name
! style="background:#{{galar color}}" | Population
! style="background:#{{galar color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Description
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Postwick Hop Leon house SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Postwick]]
| 5
| A farming town since days of old, where people and their Pokémon live in close harmony.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Wedgehurst SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Wedgehurst]]
| 31
| Our quiet borough is home to the esteemed Pokémon Research Lab.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:SwSh Prerelease industrial city.png|100px]]
| [[Motostoke]]
| 120
| An industrial city studded with steam-powered marvels of modern engineering.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Turffield SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Turffield]]
| 36
| A town nestled within the nurturing bowl of our many terraced farming fields.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Hulbury SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Hulbury]]
| 54
| A bustling seaport that many visit to see its lively market stalls and famed restaurant.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Hammerlocke SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Hammerlocke]]
| 102
| A city of great history, living and thriving within castle walls that date back to the middle ages.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Stow-On-Side SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Stow-on-Side]]
| 44
| A vibrant town that has grown up around an ancient mural tucked away in the mountains.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Ballonlea SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Ballonlea]]
| 31
| A charming town where the people make their homes among the trunks of the towering trees.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Circhester SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Circhester]]
| 97
| Buildings from an age long gone still stand about the steaming hot spring that covers the town.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Spikemuth SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Spikemuth]]
| 29
| This rocking town has a punk vibe and streets crammed with shops lined up cheek by jowl.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Wyndon SwSh.png|100px]]
| [[Wyndon]]
| 157
| This booming metropolis was designed and developed by our very own Chairman Rose.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Galar Freezington SwSh.jpg|100px]]
| [[Freezington]]
| 9
|
|}

====Landmarks====
[[File:Galar Wild Area SwSh.png|thumb|200px|A map of the Wild Area, with landmarks indicated by blue squares]]
* [[Wild Area]]
** [[Meetup Spot]]
** [[Rolling Fields]]
** [[Dappled Grove]]
** [[Watchtower Ruins]]
** [[East Lake Axewell]]
** [[West Lake Axewell]]
** [[Axew's Eye]]
** [[South Lake Miloch]]
** [[Giant's Seat]]
** [[North Lake Miloch]]
** [[Motostoke Riverbank]]
** [[Bridge Field]]
** [[Stony Wilderness]]
** [[Dusty Bowl]]
** [[Giant's Mirror]]
** [[Hammerlocke Hills]]
** [[Giant's Cap]]
** [[Lake of Outrage]]
* [[Slumbering Weald]]
* [[Galar Mine]]
* [[Galar Mine No. 2]]
* [[Motostoke Outskirts]]
* [[Glimwood Tangle]]
* [[Route 9 Tunnel]]
[[File:Rose Tower TW.png|thumb|300px|Rose Tower, as shown in [[Pokémon: Twilight Wings]]]]
* [[Rose Tower]]/{{gal|Battle Tower}}
* [[Energy Plant]]
[[File:Master Dojo SwSh.png|thumb|300px|The Isle of Armor's Master Dojo]]
* [[Isle of Armor]]
** [[Fields of Honor]]
** [[Workout Sea]]
** [[Master Dojo]]
** [[Soothing Wetlands]]
** [[Courageous Cavern]]
** [[Loop Lagoon]]
** [[Forest of Focus]]
** [[Warm-Up Tunnel]]
** [[Potbottom Desert]]
** [[Training Lowlands]]
** [[Challenge Road]]
** [[Tower of Darkness]]
** [[Brawlers' Cave]]
** [[Challenge Beach]]
** [[Tower of Waters]]
** [[Honeycalm Sea]]
** [[Honeycalm Island]]
** [[Stepping-Stone Sea]]
** [[Insular Sea]]
[[File:Galar Dyna Tree Hill SwSh.jpg|thumb|300px|The Crown Tundra's Dyna Tree Hill]]
* [[Crown Tundra]]
** [[Slippery Slope]]
** [[Max Lair]]
** [[Freezington]]
** [[Frostpoint Field]]
** [[Giant's Bed]]
** {{Gal|Rock Peak Ruins}}
** {{Gal|Iron Ruins}}
** [[Old Cemetery]]
** [[Snowslide Slope]]
** {{Gal|Iceberg Ruins}}
** [[Tunnel to the Top]]
** [[Path to the Peak]]
** [[Crown Shrine]]
** [[Giant's Foot]]
** [[Roaring-Sea Caves]]
** [[Frigid Sea]]
** [[Three-Point Pass]]
** [[Split-Decision Ruins]]
** [[Ballimere Lake]]
** [[Lakeside Cave]]
** [[Dyna Tree Hill]]

===Appearance===
====In-game====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{Galar color dark}}; background:#{{Galar color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| class="roundy" style="border:2px solid #{{Galar color dark}}; background:#{{Galar color light}}" | [[File:Galar Sw.png|200px]]
| class="roundy" style="border:2px solid #{{Galar color dark}}; background:#{{Galar color light}}" | [[File:Galar Sh.png|200px]]
|-
| Galar as seen in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Sword}}
| Galar as seen in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Shield}}
|-
| class="roundy" style="border:2px solid #{{stamina color dark}}; background:#{{stamina color light}}" | [[File:Galar Isle of Armor SwSh.png|200px]]
| class="roundy" style="border:2px solid #{{jump color dark}}; background:#{{jump color light}}" | [[File:Galar Crown Tundra SwSh.png|200px]]
|-
| The {{color2|000|Isle of Armor}} as seen in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield}}
| The {{color2|000|Crown Tundra}} as seen in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield}}
|}

==Galar League==
{{main|Galar League}}
The Galar League is the regional [[Pokémon League]] of the Galar region. Trainers who have received a letter of [[endorsement]] may compete in the Gym Challenge. After obtaining the eight [[Badge]]s of the region, a Trainer may participate in the annual Champion Cup at [[Wyndon Stadium]].

===Gym Leaders===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{Galar color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{Galar color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background: #{{Galar color dark}};" colspan="7" | {{color|{{Galar color light}}|Galar League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{Galar color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{Galar color light}}|Generation VIII}}
! style="background: #{{Galar color dark}};" colspan="3" | {{color2|{{Galar color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{Galar color light}}|Galar}}
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{Galar color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{Galar color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{Galar color light}};" | {{color|{{Galar color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{Galar color light}};" | {{color2|{{Galar color dark}}|Type}}
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{Galar color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Galar color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Grass|logo=yes|pic=VSMilo.png|ldr=Milo|djap=ヤロー|drm=Yarrow|loc=Turffield|cjap=ターフタウン|crm=Turf Town|bdg=Grass|size=x100px}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Water|logo=yes|pic=VSNessa.png|ldr=Nessa|djap=ルリナ|drm=Rurina|loc=Hulbury|cjap=バウタウン|crm=Bow Town|bdg=Water|size=x100px}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Fire|logo=yes|pic=VSKabu.png|ldr=Kabu|djap=カブ|drm=Kabu|loc=Motostoke|cjap=エンジンシティ|crm=Engine City|bdg=Fire|size=x100px}}
{{gldr2|type=Fighting|logo=yes|pic=VSBea.png|size=x100px|ldr=Bea|djap=サイトウ|drm=Saitō{{sup/8|Sw}}|type2=Ghost|pic2=VSAllister.png|size2=x100px|ldr2=Allister|djap2=オニオン|drm2=Onion{{sup/8|Sh}}|loc=Stow-on-Side|cjap=ラテラルタウン|crm=Lateral Town|bdg=Fighting|bdg2=Ghost}}
{{gldr2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Fairy|logo=yes|pic=VSOpal.png|size=x100px|ldr=Opal|djap=ポプラ|drm=Poplar|pic2=VSBede 2.png|size2=x100px|ldr2=Bede|djap2=ビート|drm2=Beet|loc=Ballonlea|cjap=アラベスクタウン|crm=Arabesque Town|bdg=Fairy|region=Galar}}
{{gldr2|type=Rock|logo=yes|pic=VSGordie.png|size=x100px|ldr=Gordie|djap=マクワ|drm=Makuwa{{sup/8|Sw}}|type2=Ice|pic2=VSMelony.png|size2=x100px|ldr2=Melony|djap2=メロン|drm2=Melon{{sup/8|Sh}}|loc=Circhester|cjap=キルクスタウン|crm=Circus Town|bdg=Rock|bdg2=Ice}}
{{gldr2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Dark|logo=yes|pic=VSPiers.png|size=x100px|ldr=Piers|djap=ネズ|drm=Nezu|pic2=VSMarnie 3.png|size2=x100px|ldr2=Marnie|djap2=マリィ|drm2=Mary|loc=Spikemuth|cjap=スパイクタウン|crm=Spike Town|bdg=Dark}}
{{gldrb|col=2|tcol=2|bcol=2|type=Dragon|logo=yes|pic=VSRaihan.png|ldr=Raihan|djap=キバナ|drm=Kibana|loc=Hammerlocke|cjap=ナックルシティ|crm=Knuckle City|bdg=Dragon|size=x100px}}
|}

===Champion Cup===
{{elt/h|gen=VIII|l={{galar color light}}|d={{galar color dark}}|league=Galar|col=2|col2=4}}
|-
! colspan=4 | {{color|{{galar color light}}|Semifinals}}
|-
{{elt|col=2|type=Dark|logo=yes|pic=VSMarnie 2.png|m=Marnie|mjap=マリィ|mrm=Mary|size=x100px}}
{{elt|col=2|type=Shield|logo=yes|t=Various|pic=VSHop 3.png|m=Hop|mjap=ホップ|mrm=Hop|size=x100px}}
|-
! colspan=4 | {{color|{{galar color light}}|Interruption}}
|-
{{elt|col=2|type=Fairy|logo=yes|pic=VSBede 2.png|m=Bede|mjap=ビート|mrm=Beet|size=x100px}}
|-
! colspan=4 | {{color|{{galar color light}}|Finals}}
|-
{{elt|col=2|type=Water|logo=yes|pic=VSNessa.png|m=Nessa|mjap=ルリナ|mrm=Rurina|size=x100px}}
{{elt2|type=Fighting|type2=Ghost|logo=yes|pic=VSBea.png{{!}}x100px|pic2=VSAllister.png{{!}}x100px|m=Bea|m2=Allister|mjap=サイトウ|mrm=Saitō{{sup/8|Sw}}|mjap2=オニオン|mrm2=Onion{{sup/8|Sh}}}}
{{elt|col=2|type=Dragon|logo=yes|pic=VSRaihan.png|m=Raihan|mjap=キバナ|mrm=Kibana|size=x100px}}
|-
! colspan=4 | {{color|{{galar color light}}|Championship Match}}
|-
{{eltb|col=2|type=Galar|t=Various|logo=yes|pic=VSLeon.png|m=Leon|mjap=ダンデ|mrm=Dande|size=x100px}}
|}

==Trivia==
* Galar is the only [[core series]] [[region]] to:
** Have all of its [[Gym]] [[Badge]]s named after their respective Gym's [[type]].
** Not have a [[Pokémon academy]].
** Not have a [[Victory Road]].
** Not have an [[Elite Four]].
*** A similar role is fulfilled by the Champion Cup.
** Contain no settlements that end in "City" or "Town" in their English names.
*** In keeping with the sports theme of the region's Gyms, the names of the cities and towns in Galar are derived from sports terminology.
** Introduce no [[Mythical Pokémon]] at the time of its release.
** Contain a single landmass with a map that does not fit on the screen. Previous regions with multiple maps either [[Kanto|contained]] or [[Alola|were]] archipelagos.
** Introduce four [[fossil]]s, the most of any region so far.
*** Despite this, the region does not beat the record for most Fossil Pokémon introduced (five in [[Kanto]]) due to the Galarian Fossil Pokémon being unable to evolve.
*** Also, for the first time, none of the introduced Fossil Pokémon are {{type|Rock}}, are capable of {{pkmn|breeding}}, or have genders.
** Have two [[Gym Leader]]s resign from their posts over the course of a single game's plot.
** Not have an {{pkmn|anime}} [[series]] solely dedicated to [[Ash Ketchum]] fully exploring the region in a journey.
** Not have a status-healing local specialty food item.
*** However, [[curry]] is considered a very popular food in Galar.
* Galar is the first region to have a {{type|Dark}} Gym.
* Galar has the fewest numbered [[route]]s of any core series region, with a total of ten.
* Galar is tied with [[Unova]] with having the most [[Gym Leader]]s, with a total of 14.
* In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Galar is constantly depicted with a cloudy, gray sky, similar to common weather of the country it's based on, the {{wp|United Kingdom}}.
* The {{wp|Demonym|adjectival form}} of Galar is "Galarian", as seen in the term {{rf|Galarian|Form}}.

==See also==
* [[Pokémon Sword and Shield]]
* [[Generation VIII]]

==In other languages==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{galar color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{galar color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German, Spanish, French, Italian
| Galar
| From its Japanese and English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 가라르 ''Galar''
| Transcription of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 伽勒爾 / 伽勒尔 ''Jiālè'ěr''
| Transcription of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 伽勒爾 ''Gālahkyíh''
| Mandarin-based transcription of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Галар ''Galar''
| Transcription of its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Thai
| กาลาร์ ''Galar''
| Transcription of its Japanese name
|}

==References==
{{reflist}}
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{{Regions|Galar}}

{{Galar}} 
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[[Category:Galar locations|*]]
[[Category:Sword and Shield locations|*]]

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Talk:Kamado

2022-02-22T12:16:25Z

Yamitora1: /* Kamado from Galar? */ maybe from route 8 Circhester area

Talk:Mesprit (Pokémon)

2022-02-18T03:48:26Z

Yamitora1: /* Mesprit has feathers? */ new section

== Trivia worthy? ==

Is this trivia good enough? "Mesprit is the only member in the lake trio to be a [[roaming Pokémon]]." --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 08:01, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:Did you even read the first trivia point on the article?:
::"''Mesprit is somewhat unique among the members of its trio, as it leaves [[Lake Verity]] to [[Roaming Pokémon|roam]] [[Sinnoh]] after being encountered by the player in [[Lake Verity|Lake Verity's]] cavern.''"
:It says the same thing, just in different words. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 08:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Oops, sorry. I didn't read the trivia first. --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 08:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

== Mesprit has feathers? ==

Should the biology section mention it has plumage/feathers since it gives the Pokémon: LA player a Plume when its trial is finished? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Yamitora1

2022-02-18T02:03:49Z

Yamitora1: /* Breeding Tips */

===Breeding Tips===
The marking symbols (●, ▲, ■, ♥, ★, and ♦) on the Summary page of a Pokémon is a great way to mark which IVs are the Pokémon's Best (31). Use Blue markings for IVs of 30-31 and Red for No Good IVs (0).

'''HP: ● ATK: ▲ DEF: ■ Sp.ATK: ♥ Sp.DEF: ★ Speed: ♦'''

Cogita

2022-02-18T01:21:16Z

Yamitora1: added a trivia section on her name origin

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|corecolor={{white color light}}
|bordercolor={{hisui color}}
|name=Cogita
|jname=コギト
|tmname=Cogito
|slogan=no
|image=Legends Arceus Cogita.png
|size=180px
|caption=Artwork from Legends: Arceus
|gender=Female
|colors=yes
|eyes=Gray
|hair=White
|hometown=Unknown
|region=[[Hisui]]
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|VIII}}
|games={{pkmn|Legends: Arceus}}
|team=no
}}
'''Cogita''' (Japanese: '''コギト''' ''Cogito'') is a character who appears in {{pkmn|Legends: Arceus}}.

She bears a striking resemblance to [[Cynthia]], but the relationship between them, if any, is unknown.

==In the core series==
Cogita lives alone at the [[Ancient Retreat]]. She has a vast knowledge of [[Hisui]]an legends.

After the {{player}} is exiled from [[Jubilife Village]], [[Volo]] guides them to her home. She tells them about an artifact known as the [[Red Chain]] that could bind the world together and cause the space-time rift to disappear, and also explains how to obtain the artifact's pieces.

Cogita appears in [[Jubilife Village]] later on. She states the village to be of interest and decides to check what the [[Jubilife Village#Clothier|Clothier]] has to offer.

Post-game, Cogita assists once more, telling them where to find the last few [[plate]]s. It is also revealed she had [[Pixie Plate|one of the plates]] with her the whole time, having been using it as a chopping board. After Volo and {{p|Giratina}}'s defeat, she appears within the Galaxy Hall, telling the player about the [[Forces of Nature]] to assist with the completion of their [[Pokédex]] and advising them to speak with her after completing their [[Pokédex]] entries. When the player finishes the task, she tells the rest of the tale, revealing there to be one more of them, summoning {{p|Enamorus}}. After it is captured, Cogita gives the player the [[Reveal Glass]] and states that she has nothing left to pass on.

==Trivia==
*Cogita's name is derived from '''"Cogito Ergo Sum"''' ("I think, therefore I am") It is a statement from French Philosopher René Descartes. It has been published in many iterations including his native French langue as '''je pense, donc je suis''' from which Cogita's French name is also derived.

==Names==
{| class="roundtable" style="background: #{{black color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hisui color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| コギト ''Cogito''
| From ''cogito'' (Latin for "I think")
|-
| English, German
| Cogita
| Similar to her Japanese name
|-
| Spanish
| Metis
| From μῆτις ''mêtis'' (Ancient Greek for wisdom)
|-
| French
| Penséa
| From ''pensée'' (thought)
|-
| Italian
| Noesis
| From νόησις ''nóēsis'' (Ancient Greek for intelligence)
|-
| Korean
| 코기토 ''Cogito''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 吾思 ''Wúsī''
| rowspan="2" | From 吾 ''wú / ǹgh'' (I), 思 ''sī'' (think), and the phrase 我思故我在 ''Wǒ sī gù wǒ zài / Ngóh sī gu ngóh joih'' ({{wp|Cogito, ergo sum}})
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 吾思 ''Ǹgh-sī''
|-
| Russian
| Когита ''Kogita''
| Transcription of her English name
|}

{{-}}
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[[Category:Legends: Arceus characters]]

[[de:Cogita]]
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Professor Laventon

2022-02-12T17:23:03Z

Yamitora1: /* Trivia */ according to Oschawotts dex entry, Laventon coined the term Scalchop

{{CharInfobox
|color={{hisui color}}
|corecolor={{hisui color light}}
|bordercolor={{hisui color dark}}
|name=Professor Laventon
|jname=ラベン博士
|tmname=Dr. Laven
|slogan=no
|image=Legends Arceus Professor Laventon.png
|size=180px
|caption=Artwork from Legends: Arceus
|gender=Male
|colors=yes
|eyes=Lavender
|hair=Unknown
|hometown=Unknown
|region=[[Hisui]]
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|VIII}}
|games={{pkmn|Legends: Arceus}}
|team=yes
|teamname=[[Galaxy Team]]
|teamrank=Member
}}

'''Professor Laventon''' (Japanese: '''ラベン博士''' ''Dr. Laven'') is a travelling [[Pokémon Professor]] who studies in the [[Hisui]] region. He is a member of the [[Galaxy Team]]'s Survey Corps and specializes in {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}'s modes of life.

==In the core series==
Professor Laventon finds the {{player}} on [[Jubilife Village|Prelude Beach]] after they have fallen through the [[space-time rift]]. The appearance of the player has attracted the interest of the Professor's three [[Starter Pokémon]]. After the player awakens, the Pokémon run away and the Professor tasks the Player with recapturing them. Impressed by their skill he takes the player to Jubilife Village to recruit them into the [[Galaxy Team]]'s Survey Corps.

===Pokémon===
====Gives to the player====
Professor Laventon gives the player their choice of [[starter Pokémon]] from Pokémon he collected while traveling the {{pkmn|world}}. After the player has beaten the main story of Pokémon Legends: Arceus, he will give the player the remaining two starter Pokémon.

{|
|-
|
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=722
|pokemon=Rowlet
|level=5
|gender=both
|type1=Grass|type2=Flying
|ability=None
|move1=Gust|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=155
|pokemon=Cyndaquil
|level=5
|gender=both
|type1=Fire
|ability=None
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|pokemon=Oshawott
|ndex=501
|level=5
|gender=both
|type1=Water
|ability=None
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical}}
|}

==Trivia==
* The [[Pokédex]] entries in [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] are written in first person by Laventon.
** Incidentally, Laventon is also the person who coined the term "[[Scalchop|scalchop]]" for [[Oshawott]] signature seashell.
* There are several hints in the game that Professor Laventon may be from the [[Galar]] region:
** In the Pokédex entry for {{p|Raichu}} he mentions {{p|Copperajah}} that live in his homeland. Currently, Copperajah are only known to live in [[Galar]].
** The writing on the blackboard in his office uses the alphabet from {{g|Sword and Shield}} instead of the style of writing used elsewhere in Pokémon Legends: Arceus.
** He often uses stock British phrases such as "jolly good". In other language versions of the game such as German, he will sometimes speak in English instead.

==Names==
{| class="roundtable" style="background: #{{hisui color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hisui color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ラベン博士 ''Dr. Laven''
| From ''lavender''
|-
| English
| Professor Laventon
| From ''lavender''
|-
| German, Italian
| Professor Laven
| From his Japanese name
|-
| Spanish
| Profesor Lavender
| From ''lavender''
|-
| French
| Professeur Lavande
| From ''lavande'' (lavender)
|-
| Korean
| 라벤박사 ''Raben-{{tt|baksa|Dr.}}''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 拉苯博士 ''Dr. Lāběn''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 拉苯博士 ''Dr. Lāaibún''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|-
| Russian
| Профессор Лавентон ''Professor Laventon''
| Transcription of his English name
|}

{{Galaxy Team}}
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{{DEFAULTSORT:Laventon, Professor}}

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Talk:Generation VI

2022-01-04T01:23:17Z

Yamitora1: /* Primate Trivia */ new section

The redirect here needs to be suppressed, now that gen VI has been announced. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 12:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== X and Y. ==

Since this is going to be a full 3D (instead of {{tt|2.5D|2.5D is when something is made to look 3D, but is actually 2D}})... X and Y (as well Z) are the coordinates in 3D. X is horizontal, Y is vertical and Z is depth. Kinda neat reference. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:*Cool theory. Wouldn't be surprised if they did. But for all we know they might do what they did with Generation V and come out with an "X2" and "Y2". But I like your idea. ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 00:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::WOW, Marked I thought of exactly the same (before reading this talk page). But there's more! Remember Palkia and Dialga? Well, they're the beings of space and time, huh? Well, remeber Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem? The dragons of truth, ideals and dreams? Now it gets tricky, remember the differences between Black (2) and White (2)? Old Opelucid, new Opelucid, old way of growing vegetables in Mistralton, new way of growing vegetables in Mistralton? Where, or WHEN, do people find the truth, find their ideals or have dreams about those two? In the past, the future and the present! Wait that has to do with time! Wait Dialga has to do with time! And wth, in the Cartesian coordinate system x and y and z (there's always a third one, of course) represent the 3 dimensions of space! Wait did I say space? Wait Palkia has to do with Space! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::On other hand, considering DNA helises in Japanese logos... If they're going by sequels again, we can expect Pokémon W and Pokémon Z. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::This page is not meant for speculation. Please take this conversation over to the forums. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Pokemaster I was just going to add this: 'You would expect four legendary mascots!? Well, there are a billion ways for the Pokémon developers to make sequels (if they're not going for a third version once again) without having to create four legends. Like what they did with Kyurem, or maybe they'll give X and Y a new form, so discussing about that won't get you anywhere obvious, and then you'll start speculating...' But pokemaster, can we add the relation between the Caresian coordinate system and the new 3d games on the page? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 21:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The staff decided that we will not be adding any trivia about the Caresian coordinate system at this time. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

==A few errors==
There should be a dot after the Eiffel Tower part. Also, surely the last sentence is supposed to say '''five''' previous generations, not four. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 16:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Or rather I would say "the regions preceding it". [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 16:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Not "versions"! ==

Just to point out - it's been made clear in the Pokémon Direct that X and Y are the first two main series games without "Version" in their titles. In other words, they are not "Pokémon X Version and Pokémon Y Version", but "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y". Could this page please be edited to reflect this departure? [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 17:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg This shows them as X Version and Y Version], so it still follows the tradition, even if unofficially. For now we won't be changing it. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
== problem ==

it says they '''were''' released as a pair [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== With this confirmation... ==

that means that Generation V is the first Generation that does not have a solitary version? {{unsigned|Deruffy}}
:Don't count your chickens before they hatch{{tt|.|This is a proverb; though technically I didn't know about this one, but I knew about its counterpart in my language}} Considering that they made sequels instead of third version, we can't be sure about anything. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region inspiration ==

"The new region draws inspiration from France" should probably be changed to "The new region appears to draw inspiration from France" until we've seen more of it. There might well just be an Eiffel Tower replica plunked into a PokeCalifornia or something. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 21:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:I agree with you on this point. It's honestly too soon to be jumping to conclusions. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think, if I were being really pedantic, even "Appears to draw inspiration from France" could be a little misleading, because it makes it sound like it'll all be France. There are deserts in the trailer, how many deserts does France have? That's more quintessentially Spanish. I'd say the new region "appears to have drawn inspiration from European landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower in France." But even then, European landmarks is conjecture. Relatively safe conjecture, but still, minefield!! Only thing we can really say is that there's a tower in it that looks a bit French. How do you translate that into Bulbapese? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, I just watched the trailer back, and the moment where Pikachu shoots lightning across the world, you can see it originates somewhere in Europe. I found this interesting, and given this conversation, an observation perhaps to be worth noting. [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 01:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::: I also agree with "appears to have drawn inspiration from European landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower in France.", since there are many monuments similar to the ones we can see in the trailer, like Blackpool tower in or Buckingam Palace in England, aswell as the radio tower in Alexanderplatz in Berlin, or the city architecture in Italy. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 19:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Good thing that you mentioned the trailer because, if anything, it only serves as further evidence that the games draw inspiration from France because Pikachu is seen actually standing atop the Eiffel tower. People who keep mentioning "how many deserts does France have?" are pretty ridiculous when you take into account the fact that Game Freak has taken a huge amount of artistic freedom in the past (i.e. Unova Route 4). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::This discussion has trailed off into idle speculation. Please use [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f693/ the forums] to carry out this discussion. This topic is being dropped as the page refers to Europe instead of France. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== reveal time. ==

Can we say this generation has the fastest reveal time after a game of the previous generation was released?[[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The space between Gen I and Gen II was quite short too in Japan if I recall [[User:KennyMc0294|KennyMc0294]] ([[User talk:KennyMc0294|talk]]) 01:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
:Looking at the infoboxes in our articles (which give the exact length in days), Generation I was about 350 days longer than Generation V in Japan, but about 60 days shorter in the US. By the way, KennyMc0294, you can sign your posts with four tildes (~) instead of having to type it out manually. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

=="3 new"?==
Shouldn't the sidebar say 5 new? They may not be named, but the legendaries shown certainly count as separate, new Pokémon. {{unsigned|Gadvac}}
:It's based on how many Pokémon articles are in the Gen VI category. The Legendary Pokémon don't currently have names, so it's impossible to create an article for them. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
They were recently revealed with the deer-like Pokémon being Xerneas and the bird-like Pokémon being Yvetal. {{unsigned|Plusleminun311312}}

==No images?==
Can we get some images of the new overworld/battle system in the gallery, or is there a page where they already exist? -[[User:Wohdin|Wohdin]] ([[User talk:Wohdin|talk]]) 05:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:They're on [[Pokémon X and Y Versions]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Names of the X and Y mascots just confirmed: http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

"Nintendo of America has revealed the names of the two Legendary Pokemon which will feature in the forthcoming Pokemon X and Pokemon Y for the Nintendo 3DS. The Pokemon X Legendary is called Xerneas, which is pronounced Zurr-nee-us. The Pokemon Y mascot is called Yveltal, which is pronounced ee-vell-tall." {{unsigned|BritLucifer}}

== Genetic Generation? ==

Even ignoring that it would be a reference to 3D axes if there were a Pokémon Z, the selling point of this generation is that it is the first generation to be 3D in every sense of the word. I think that's how people will remember this gen, so I thought we would be calling it the 3D generation, similar to how Generation III was called the Advance Generation. X and Y don't have special meaning in genetics outside of sex chromosomes. Even without a Pokémon Z I'd say it's more a reference to the mathematical variables that are used to establish two different things, than to genetics. Like how Black and White are used as metaphors for things that are opposite. That was actually my first reaction when I found out the names of the games, as "Pokémon X and Y" could be used as a term to refer to paired versions in general. Well, what I'm saying is that I would call it the 3D generation. Feel free to disagree, but it would be better than "Genetic Generation". [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 15:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I agree to an extent - while it is possible it's to do with genetics, it's a bit of a stretch to call it Genetic Generation at such an early point in conception. Also, it does seem a bit less likely for it to be genetics (after all, if it truly were about sex chromosomes, it should be XX and XY, not X and Y. My first thoughts personally were co-ordinates, but that could be wrong, too). Either way, as a wiki, speculation shouldn't be added as fact, right? Thus, "Genetic Generation" should be moved until there is hard evidence that the X and Y do, in fact, represent sex genes. [[User:LordSchmee|LordSchmee]] ([[User talk:LordSchmee|talk]]) 16:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Do not forget that [[Generation IV]] is already called the 3D generation (even though this Generation is gonna be more 3D than Gen IV) and that there's a small string of DNA in the Japanese logo's of the Games. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 16:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::: Well, I guess if there's already a 3D generation we'll just have to leave it until people actually start calling this generation something or Bulbapedia calling it genetic generation carries over to people calling it that, whichever comes first. At least I know why it's called that here now. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 16:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Who comes up with these names anyway? I've only ever heard of "Advanced Generation" (which was used in promotion). Everything else seems to be made up. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 16:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::I don't think gen VI should be called genetic generation without confirmation. The names of the previous generations had some relation to (at least) the primary paired versions. For e.g., gen II was Metal Generation(Gold and Silver). So the name should have some relation the primary paired versions.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 17:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::[[:a:File:X Version logo Jp.png|The "n" in Pocket Monster clearly represents a strand of DNA.]] Therefore, it's obvious they're referring to the chromosomes, and not the axes. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Incidentally, there's a 3D pokeball in the logo and it also uses 3D text. That being said, calling it the "coordinates generation" or something would just be asinine. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

:Could it not easily be referencing both? x & y coordinates relating to mathematics, 3D graphics, etc as well as X & Y chromosomes relating to DNA, evolution, pokedarwinism, etc. Also, x and y aren't opposite, they're orthogonal. In fact, none of the version names have been truly "opposite" except MAYBE black and white. --[[User:BritLucifer|BritLucifer]] ([[User talk:BritLucifer|talk]]) 18:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::To quote Pokemaster97 (from above), "The staff decided that we will not be adding any trivia about the Caresian coordinate system at this time." So, let's just wait until more info comes out. [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|☆]][[User:GamerGeek|Gamer]][[User talk:GamerGeek|Geek]][[Special:Log/GamerGeek|☆]] 22:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

"'''YES''', Generation VI is confirmed. '''PLEASE DO NOT ADD SPECULATION TO PAGES.''' As soon as information is confirmed by a reliable source, it will be added."
Because Gen. VI being the "Genetic Generation" is obviously a confirmed fact. I don't understand why it is still there. '''*~Darklight~*''' 13:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

:I'm so sorry to disagree, but this is bothering me too. ''None'' of this is confirmed by any reliable source. We can't be sure what that graphic above the n means. I personally think that stating this is the "Genetic Generation" is too bold and premature. If anything, I think both theories are correct; the one on the side of it being the first 3D generation of Pokémon games, and maybe something to do with DNA, that I agree, is present in the Japanese logos of the games anyway. I think it shouldn't be added to the page until something more, like a preview of the games or a glimpse of the next series is out, to see which theory was the closest or actually correct. Come on, we can wait. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] ([[User talk:YukitoOoO|talk]]) 04:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

== no longer 3 ==

Hi, i was just wondering if someone can change the '3 new' hyperlink on the Pokemon section of the side bit, seeing as there's now 5 named Pokemon instead of 3; i'd do it myself but the page is locked, thanks [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 19:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Click the clock at the top of the site. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== UK and Aussie Release ==

You guys forgot to mark the template so that it shows the UK and Aussie release as October 2013 as well. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== "Starters" ==

Is there any confirmation that Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie are the starters? After the last two generations, it's been proven that we can't assume anything. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/01/08/meet-your-pok-233-mon-x-and-y-starters.aspx Yes they are]. [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|☆]][[User:GamerGeek|Gamer]][[User talk:GamerGeek|Geek]][[Special:Log/GamerGeek|☆]] 23:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::It's been confirmed on [http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us the official Pokémon website] as well. [[User:Mathfreak231|--Mathfreak231]] ([[User talk:Mathfreak231|talk]]) 14:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

== Advances in gameplay ==

The only thing in that subtopic is info about the graphics. Retitle? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] ([[User talk:Ampere|talk]]) 04:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:It's going to have more information added when more information comes out. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 04:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== Link Troubles ==

On some pages, when reading the 'YES, Generation VI is confirmed.' part, the 'Generation VI' is not a link, merely in bold writing, one such page is the page for Last Resort (Sorry for the lack of link to page, not good with links!).[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 18:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
:I think that you mean to put this on the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] talk page as it seems to be what you are referring to. Hope that helps a bit. :) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
::I don't seem to be getting this problem. Is it still happening? '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:::No,I don't think so. I checked last resort article and the link is working.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 16:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

== article for ninfia ==

could we have an article of the recent announced pokemon, "Ninfia"{{unsigned|Dragon146}}
:[[User:S2daam/Ninfia (Pokémon)|Already is one]]. It is just not in the mainspace right now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Today his English name was announced by the Pokémon Company - it's '''Sylveon'''. [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon ==

I think Sylveon should be added to the page as the 4th Generation VI Pokémon to have been revealed/announced. [[User:CounterShift|CounterShift]] ([[User talk:CounterShift|talk]]) 02:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant 6th Pokémon. Xerneas and Yveltal appeared first. [[User:CounterShift|CounterShift]] ([[User talk:CounterShift|talk]]) 02:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

== Some trivia to be added... ==

The Japanese logo of the Pokémon games has been changed once again for Generation VI's releases. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 5:11, 23 February, 2013 (UTC)

==Some pretty obvious trivia==

This is the first time the same games are being released at the same time in Japan and the US. Infernapefan95 00:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
:It would be better to wait until we have an official release date. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 03:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

== Pokemon Sprites/Models ==

After the game is released, are all Pokemon models going to replace the existing sprites (on the site)?
Or just the Gen. 6? [[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 01:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC) !
:We can't give a definitive answer right now. They might still use sprites for say the Pokédex or something. We won't know for sure until the games are released. If there are just models, it's possible the sprites will be replaced. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

== An Error On The Page ==

The page says that "For the first time, the Pokemon games will be in full 3D." However, Pokemon Coliseum was also completely in 3D, can one of you admins change it to say something like, "For the first time since Pokemon Coliseum, the games will be in full 3D." {{unsigned|Cowsaidmoo}}
:This point is referring to the main series. Colosseum (as well as Stadium 0, 1, 2; XD; and PBR which you missed) is not a main series game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
::Personally I kind of agree with Cowsaidmoo, could you change it to say "For the first time, the ''main series'' Pokémon games will be in full 3D."{{unsigned|IVsaur}}

== "(6 new)" ==

The page mentions that there are only 6 new pokémon, but they recently revealed the rumored new mewtwo form as a new pokémon as opposed to a mewtwo form, so it should have it's own page, and this page should state that there are 7 new pokémon.
[[User:Kitty Box|Kitty Box]] ([[User talk:Kitty Box|talk]]) 23:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:It has not been given a name yet, nor has it been revealed that it is either a new Pokémon or just a form of Mewtwo. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem where announced, they were presented as new Pokémon first too. You can't definitely say it is a new Pokémon. So unless there will be confirmation about its status, it won't get a page, nor will anything be changed regarding it on this page. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 23:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::That number also automatically updates depending on the number of articles in the {{cat|Generation VI Pokémon}} cat, so it can't be manually changed to reflect current numbers without an addition to the category. So even if it's revealed that it's a brand new pokémon, that number will not change unless we have a name to make an article into (ergo upping the number in the category from 6 to 7). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 23:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

==Grammar mistake==
The opening line of the article, "The sixth generation of Pokémon, is the sixth installment of the Pokémon series," should not contain a comma between Pokemon and is. The comma adds nothing and doesn't make grammatical sense.
[[User:Ransomedsquirrel|Ransomedsquirrel]] ([[User talk:Ransomedsquirrel|talk]]) 01:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:I agree...I removed it. Thank you :) [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

== "For the first time in the main series, the games will be in full 3D"? ==

In the article, it says that X & Y will be "For the first time in the main series, the games will be in full 3D". Isn't this an incorrect statement due to [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]? {{unsigned|?????}} 19:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

No. It says '''main series'''

[[User:Pokemon nomekop|Pokemon nomekop]] ([[User talk:Pokemon nomekop|talk]]) 01:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:Colosseum and XD ''are'' main series as far as Bulbapedia is concerned. (They're included on the "main series" template at the bottom of any main series game, and have "Generation III main series" listed in their articles' infoboxes.) The sentence should either be removed to changed to something like "The games will be the first main series games in full 3D on a handheld console". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, it means hand held games. If it meant the main series in general, Pokemon Stadium would've preceded that by miles away. I would re-write it but I think you should get what the sentence is trying to say anyway given what the article is about (i.e. Hand held games).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Stadium, Colosseum, XD and other similar games should be referred to as "side series" games of Bulbapedia (distinct from both "main series" and "spin-off"). This was decided back in 2011, it's just that the terminology was never really fully implemented. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::If it's not gonna be "fully implemented", it might as well not have been decided at all. As the wiki pages currently stand, ColoXD and the Stadium games are main series, so if they're not corrected we might as well go back to the old definition, because apparently nobody cares enough about it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::Previously nobody had decided whether they were main series or not. Plenty of people insisted they were main series, and plenty insisted they were spin-offs. Thus, we needed to create this third category. They were referred to as both spin-offs and main series games on Bulbapedia prior to this agreement, so there is nothing to revert to. All we need now is for them to actually be properly referred to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::The "spin-off" template is currently labelled "side series". The template's current content aside, that's the name of their target classification anyway, so they should be moved there. If no one else will make the changes, I will. Is there anything that needs editing besides the templates themselves and the infoboxes/templates on the games' pages? (There should probably be a new page called "Side series Pokémon games" in the vein of the current "Spin-off Pokémon games", but I don't really know any of the basics about starting articles, so I'll leave that to someone else.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::Oh! You already started editing the games' pages. I went ahead and changed the templates. Anything else I can do? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

== Region ==
Someone change the region to Karosu, because for some reason I cannot.

The region is called Karosu, for some reason I cannot edit this in. {{unsigned|TheJaceX}}

:The English name is now Kalos, but the article is protected, so only admins can edit the page. [[User:SpecialStageRoute|Special Stage Route]] ([[User talk:SpecialStageRoute|pit stop]]) 13:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Debut time ==

Since it's debuting in the same time for English and Japanese, wouldn't it make sense to remove the "En" and "Jp" as sub boxes? --[[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] ([[User talk:Phoenixon|talk]]) 13:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:Those are part of the template so they can't be removed without throwing it off. Besides, we don't know yet if they games are being released on the same day just yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::Hoennmaster, I don't really think that something could be a sub of something else just because it is released a single day later... If the games go through development at the same time, I think that their would be an obvious case of both being the original. However, I don't think that the English translaters actually write some of the text fully by themselves. So I guess it's still a sub after all. I mean, I don't expect both games being written respectively and telling a totally different story... [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Development has nothing to do with this, it's the restrictions of the current template. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
::::I can understand that HoennMaster, but I just don't agree with the part where you say: 'Besides, we don't know yet if the(y) games are being released on the same day just yet.'. I just don't think that not being released on the same day, could be an argument for it being a sub. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::There's not argument to be had, as I have already said, that is how the template is set up. A new template would have to be made to have just one release date. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::: Yes, yes, yes HoennMaster, I understand and accept that! Even before I said anything on this page. However the point of the games having to be released on the same day to not be a sub, doesn't make sense to me. But it DOES make sense to me that we use the current template. And with argument I meant 'point' and not 'discussion'. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
(resetting indent) I'm guessing that he doesn't understand what you mean by a "sub". If they aren't released on the same day, then it needs to have both boxes shown, because even one day of difference should be shown by us. If we use the current template, it'll have both boxes shown regardless. I'm not quite sure where you disagree. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:I understand what he is saying (although as said, you aren't being clear on what you mean by saying "sub"), but he's bringing up irrelevant things that don't have anything to do with the original question. The original question was answered in the first post and then got derailed. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

MyNintendoNews reports a global release on October 12, 2013. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, so after all it is not a sub or 'translation'. And even if they weren't released on the same day, they wouldn't be. Because they went through development at the same time. And I'm not bringing up irrelevant things, because I replied to the second sentence said by HoennMaster, and the first one answered the first question. So if anything said by me was irrelevant, then it is al HM's doing, because then his second sentence was irrelevant, and the second sentence of HM led to all of my comments. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Just my two cents to hopefully wind this argument down: Much of the confusion seems to have stemmed from the fact that Phoenixon and HoennMaster were using "sub" as in "sub-boxes" to mean "boxes within boxes" within the "Debut" field in the infobox, and Nickvang was using a non-standard definition of "sub" to mean "a version that is derivational of the original version", and neither of you fully/clearly explained your choice of words to the other, so I think there was confusion as to what people were trying to say. Nickvang, HoennMaster appears to think you were bringing up "irrelevant" things because the article was entirely about the template until you brought up developmental things with a different use of the word "sub".
:::I know that explaining everything step-by-step here probably sounds a little condescending, but I really don't mean it like that; it just seems like both sides are misunderstanding what the other's saying, so I thought it would be helpful to clarify how I see it. Sorry if this is intruding on the conversation. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== New Pokémon ? ==
I actually found this "new Pokémon" accidentally and I don't know if this Pokémon are coming in Generation VI. It's possible, but I don't know. Here are the three sources I found from "possible" Pokémon from Gneeration VI:
*https://www.facebook.com/NotoriousNoctowl - As pre-evolution from Drowzee.
*http://pokejungle.net/2013/04/02/wtfake-first-light-type-pokemon-revealed/ - One Pokémon is fake according to this source and another Pokémon, the first evolution from Sableye.
*http://jackfrostoverland.deviantart.com/art/News-about-the-6th-4-News-Pokemon-356563600

As I said before, I don't know if this Pokémon are new, but it would be great to hear so. --[[User:Station7|Station7]] ([[User talk:Station7|talk]]) 12:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
:"April 2, 2013" - yeaaaah... I saw that bird picture posted as an April Fools' material. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 13:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
::The Drowzee pre-evolution is fake. The Pokejungle page is actually explaining how we know it is fake, so I'm confused why you even linked this. The deviantArt post mentions that he now knows they are fake anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
:::I don't speak Japanese, so I didn't know if they were real or fake. That's why I linked all those pages here. --[[User:Station7|Station7]] ([[User talk:Station7|talk]]) 14:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
::::But all the linked pages were in English. You don't need to read the Japanese to understand them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

There are a few more, like Pokemon-Amie and Fairy type. Under Pokemon it could also say "At least <nowiki>{{numpkmn}}</nowiki>". [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== article count if off ==

The article still says 13 new Pokémon, the count so far is 19 [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:It's automated. It lists the number of articles we have in the {{cat|Generation VI Pokémon}} category. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Weird, for some reason it kept showing up as 13, which it was the last count before the other 6 Pokémon were added. Oh well, its 19 now so that's all that counts. I guess it was some weird Tech crap dealing with cache or some other technical problem with chrome. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Leaked info ==

[[http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/244478/412#bbspost24680777_post_text| Leaked Pokémon info]] Hopefully they don't lose their job over this... So if this is correct, that means this generation will be the first to feature a Fire/Dragon, Fire/Psychic (starter type), and a few other new combinations. What are your thoughts of this? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 01:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:As a matter of policy, Bulbapedia doesn't post leaks or rumors until they're substantiated by official Nintendo/Game Freak/TPCi/etc confirmation. If you're just looking for discussion, you should go to the forums, because talk pages are meant solely for discussion of how to improve the article. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
::Will keep that in mind, apologies about that. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 01:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Just to clear things up before anyone gets confused: Gen5 introduced the first Fire/Dragon type Pokémon: Reshiram. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 16:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Actually, that's wrong, Reshiram's typing is Dragon/Fire, there hasn't been a Fire type with a secondary Dragon type as of yet [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 16:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::The so-called 'leaked info' is false and pure fan speculation. Note how they claim {{p|Scatterbug}} and {{p|Spewpa}} would be part-{{t|Fairy}}, yet both are pure {{t|Bug}}-types instead. Wouldn't you think that if they were an insider, they would have predicted the types correctly? --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 17:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::Azure42, I hope you understand that Fire/Dragon and Dragon/Fire are considered the same type combination by game mechanics. The Pokémon will get the same STABs, weaknesses and resistances. And still, it is quite confusing to say that Fire/Dragon is a new type-combination, without nothing you also count the order of the types. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Actually that's wrong, by that logic Helioptile is Normal/Electric, which is wrong as it's the first to have Normal as its Secondary type, the order can specify if it's an original type combination. It's general syntax, so instead of saying that it's the first Fire/Dragon, the trivia would note that it's the first Fire type to have Dragon as a Secondary type [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 17:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::[[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|Bulbapedia considers Dragon/Fire and Fire/Dragon to be the same combination in terms of uniqueness, as they share the same battle properties.]] - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 18:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::oh...okay then my bad everyone [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 18:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::However, just to wrap things up, Bulbapedia could note it when a type is used as a pure, secondary or primary type for the first time. But in that case, the type combination itself is of no importance at all. (Tornadus is the first pure Flying-type, Noivern is the first Pokémon to have Flying as its primary type and Helioptile is the first Pokémon to have Normal as its secondary type.) [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 20:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

== Only natural hair color so far. ==

Did anyone notice that all of the characters confirmed until now only had real-existing, natural hair colors? Calem has brown hair, Serena dark blonde, Shauna brown, Tierno black (if it isn't a hat...), Trevor brownish-red, Alexa brown and Viola brownish-blonde. All of these hair colors exist in real life (without needing paint). I'm only doubting about the lass, does she have blonde or green hair? So, could it be noted that all confirmed characters until now have natural hair colors, or do we need to wait until we know the hair color of every single character from generation six before adding anything at all? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think that's particularly notable at all. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::Well, I'm sure it would be notable if this was the first ever generation to only release characters with natural hair-colors. I mean, the characters are anime, so pink, blue, green, purple, whatever hair-colors are normal. That's why it would be notable if this generation only introduced characters with brown, black, grey, red and blonde hair. Also, all of the eye-colors so far are natural too. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::It's not. And the game isn't even out yet. We still have a lot more characters to introduce. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Alright, so I've got an answer to my question: 'we'll have to wait until we see more characters'. However, no one would make this note: 'Generation six is the first ever generation in the whole Pokémon series to only introduce characters with natural, real-existing hair- and eye-colors. This is in contrast to most anime-styled game-series, as they normally contain characters with non-natural, not-existing hair- and eye-colors.' if every character has natural, real-existing hair- and eye-colors? That would be weird, very weird. As some things noted in trivia are far less important! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::[[:a:File:XY Prerelease PSS lower screen.png|Purple hair isn't natural]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

==Fairy Type==

Shouldn't a note about the Fairy-type be added to this page similar to how the Generation II page mentions the introduction of Dark and Steel? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

== More Info ==

Is anyone going to add anything to to this page? I mean I know everything hasn't been revealed about the main games, but the sky battles, hoard battles, the fairy type, the legendary types and more info regarding the pokemon itself, the game itself and more has been released. It should be on here. I mean Pokemon X and Y have more info regarding the new generation than this page itself! And again, I know not everything has been revealed, and won't be for months to come, but what is known and revealed should be updated nicely and neatly on this page! But that is just how I feel. I know eventually It will be updated, but still it looks lame right now! I would do it myself, but I'd rather an admin do it so it won't be removed! {{unsigned|Demers-Vachon}}
:Even if you did intend to do it yourself, you couldn't. The page is locked to everyone except admins to prevent speculation and spam. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

:: Yes i realized that after, but my I stand by what I said above, it only makes sense. At least to me anyways! :-) {{unsigned|Demers-Vachon}}

== amount of gen 6 pokemon miscounting ==

there are 29 gen 6 pokemon announced right now not 28. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 20:10, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
:The infobox is automated to give the number of articles in the {{cat|Generation VI Pokémon}} category. There's no need to bring the matter up on the talk page, as there's literally no way for us to change the number except by making/removing articles; if you see a problem like this, you should instead identify the Pokémon that isn't included and ask that its article be created. In this case, it seems the problem is that [[User:S2daam/Oorotto (Pokémon)|Oorotto]] is still in the userspace because it hasn't had much info (including its Sugimori art) revealed, so it's not counting toward the number of articles in the category. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request: GenInfo ==

<nowiki>|storage={{pkmn|Bank}}</nowiki> - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 18:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

==Protection==

Can the indefinite protection be removed please. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Is hard to get a imagen capture of a 3D model? --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 00:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
:Beyond taking pictures, which are generally of unsuitable quality, the only way to get sprites from 3DS games is to use a capture device, which are very expensive, and most people don't have them. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 00:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
::Why don't we get the sprites from Serebii or ask them where they got them? --[[User:Togekiss4ever|Togekiss4ever]] ([[User talk:Togekiss4ever|talk]]) 05:59, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
:::We can't take Serebii's sprites because he does not allow us to. He got them because he has the type of capture device Funktastic mentioned above. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

== Would this be Trivia worthy? ==

Generation VI introduced the least amount of Legendary Pokémon with only 3.

--[[User:Ditto51|Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 11:39, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:Wait for event legends (even though there's supposedly three).--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 12:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== inverse battle ==

--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 21:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)Shouldn't inverse battles be include with the new battle formats? Can an admin please include this style?

Also, can one or another admin please change:

<code><nowiki>Like previous generations, the first installments, [[Pokémon X and Y]], will be released as a pair.</nowiki></code>

into:

<code><nowiki>It is about the first installments, [[Pokémon X and Y]], which was released as a pair.</nowiki></code>

[[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 21:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I have not found inverse battle format anywhere in other games, making it a new format. Can someone PLEASE include it in the new battle formats?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 19:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

please?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 02:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Now that the page has become unprotected, I have added it on myself. Thank you for unprotecting the page, whover did it. To everyone else, thanks for nothing.[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 00:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia for the Generation? ==

I think it might be worth noting, that Generation VI is the second Pokemon generation where completing the National Pokedex was impossible until the release of supplemental material (The Pokemon Bank app in this case) due to a lack of ability to directly communicate with the previous generation (the first time this occurred being Generation III, where the supplemental material was Emerald/Kanto Remakes and the Gamecube Games). [[User:Lugia61617|Lugia61617]] ([[User talk:Lugia61617|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:Second to do something isn't notable; only first is. I do think, however, that it might be notable that this is the first time in which transfer from past games is (or rather, will be) possible but only with the help of supplemental material. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::"Supplemental material" is a bit ambiguous; you need a link cable to transfer between Gen II and III, you need an original DS/DS Lite to transfer between Gen III and IV, you need 2 DS/3DS systems to transfer between Gen IV and V. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::External program, then? This is the first time the requirement is software, right? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 06:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Move/Ability/Stat changes ==

These are the ones I know off the top of my head.
* {{a|Infiltrator}} now goes through {{m|Substitute}}.
* {{a|Oblivious}} now ignores {{m|Taunt}}.

'Mon that got more base stats (10, as far as I know):
* {{p|Alakazam}}
* {{p|Butterfree}} and {{p|Beedrill}}
* {{p|Ampharos}}
(Serebii has more: http://www.serebii.net/xy/updatedstats.shtml)

Also, 'mon that changed abilities.
* {{p|Chandelure}} replaces its never-actually-available {{a|Shadow Tag}} with {{a|Infiltrator}}.

--[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 00:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

== The name currently in use is NOT a fan designator ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?m=201301 Check entry No.233 01.21.2013, it says "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y–the evolved sixth generation of Pokémon." towards the end of the press release. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 18:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
:Thought I couldn't remove it, but I could, so I removed it. I think we can remove it from gen I-V pages, too. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

::It is a fan designator, other generations use that template so why not? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Did you read what I wrote in the first message? .-. Junichi Masuda called it ""sixth generation". [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 16:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::It's still a fan name. The sentence was merely saying the games were of the sixth generation of games, not naming them Generation VI. It shows that Masuda uses the term "generation" to describe groups of games; it ''doesn't'' show what he specifically calls each one. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 17:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::As Glik said, the Roman numerals are still a fan designator. If anything, this could be a precedent to move all our generation articles to "sixth generation", etc., instead of using Roman numerals. If we did so, though, we would have to make edits to pretty close to every single page on the wiki, though, so I'm not sure how reasonable it would be on such slim evidence. The Roman numerals are a core part of our in-house style's infrastructure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::Here in Italy, Roman numerals are read as "first", "second", etc; it appears it's not the case in English-speaking countries. Anyway, do as you wish, the meaning of "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y–the evolved sixth generation of Pokémon." seems quite clear to me, it refers to the games and, obviously, to the Pokémon they introduced. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 14:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::"Generation VI" and "GenVI" are both fan designators for what is currently "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y", an official term. "Sixth generation" ''might'' be able to be ''considered'' official, but I personally believe that Bulbapedia should keep the "Generation ''foo''" names, given that only GenVI would have an official name, and I favor consistancy in page naming. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 01:14, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon ==

Is this the generation with the fewest Legendary Pokémon ever, or for now? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, it has the fewest legendary Pokémon as the three hidden legendary aren't official. Next time, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Generation_VI&curid=26812&diff=2071784&oldid=2071783 do pay attention] to the edit summaries as uses may explain their edits in the summaries.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::There's still no reason for us to go out of the way to state something that, while not yet officially wrong, is still likely to be wrong. I strongly think it would be better for us to just not say one way or the other until either they're revealed or Gen 6 ends. We do not suffer at all by omitting a trivium about something as negligible as which generation has the fewest Legendaries, but we ''do'' suffer lowered credibility when something we say is later proven objectively false. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::As of this moment, Generation VI introduced the fewest Legendary Pokémon. However, I believe that Generation VI might have introduced the fewest non-hidden Legendaries. That could be put in the trivia (reminds me, I should "compress" what is here) once someone figures out a good term for it (Primary Legendaries? Initial Legendaries?) [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 01:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Foot Prints ==

should it be mentioned that the foot print feature of the Pokédex has been removed?[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== "No Legendary Trio" ==

I hate to break it to ya guys, but Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with the letter Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

Overall, with that in mind, that would make the Mortality Duo the Mortality TRIO if anything else. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, we can assume it, but we can't confirm it just yet. Not until the games or the anime makes the connection with the three. This is the same with Kyurem and Giratina before it, we didn't count them as part of their trio until the anime/games confirmed it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
::The games already have. It's called '''Aura Break''' in case you forgot, or simply chose not to read my explanation. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 15:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, the ability is indeed called Aura Break, and yes, it does indeed only affect the Mortality Duo's abilities, and yes, the rest of your points all make some sense. But on the topic of "not reading" what someone said, that would be your own problem. Had you actually ''read'' Force Fire's response, you would notice he said that there has been no ''direct mention'' that they are a Trio, and that all we can do is ''assume''. The ability existing is not ''direct'' confirmation. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:15,2/20/2014 (UTC)

== Using Items ==

In Black, I was battling the Striaton Gym Leader, and it said "Leader Chili used THE Potion."

Now in Y, it says something along the lines of, "Champion Diantha used A Full Restore." Is this something minor they changed, or did they change "the" to "a" in B2/W2 (since this is just Black)? [[User:Lithos141|Lithos141]] ([[User talk:Lithos141|talk]]) 22:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

== Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire ==

These games do not have "Version" in their titles, so please change the templates to something other than 2v2. Thanks! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

== New trivia ==

"Generation VI contains the core games with both the shortest and longest titles: X and Y have one letter each, whereas Alpha Sapphire has fourteen characters including spaces." This is only true for English names of the games, since for example SoulSilver in Italian is called Argento SoulSilver which exceeds the number of characters in Alpha Sapphire. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 10:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, but this is an English wiki. So we focus on English and Japanese names. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::Still, we could say "...the shortest and longest English titles." Even though we focus on English and Japanese, we do include "in other languages" on every page, so I don't think it's unreasonable to add just one word to clarify. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, I only intended to express the need to clarify the "restriction" (as obvious as it may be) to English names. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 17:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== "Undisclosed amount of time after BW" ==

It has been recently confirmed that XY take place at the same time as B2W2, so it would be two years after BW. Source: [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584/] [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] ([[User talk:Ensephylon|talk]]) 16:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
:Replying to hopefully get an admin to notice this. We have confirmation. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

== 719 Pokémon ==

This is completely incorrect. There are actually 721 or 722 Pokémon in the series. [[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 00:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:It's that way because they haven't officially/reliably confirmed. [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie|(the discussion)]] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

There are a couple of redirected links on this page. Could someone fix them?
* [[Generation VI#Hoenn]]: <code><nowiki>{{2v2|Omega Ruby|Alpha Sapphire}}</nowiki></code> -> <code><nowiki>{{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}</nowiki></code>
* [[Generation VI#Trivia]]: <code><nowiki>{{pkmn|Alpha Sapphire}}</nowiki></code> -> <code><nowiki>[[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Alpha Sapphire]]</nowiki></code> (or however you want to do it)
[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
:Fixed. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

== Retcon ==

It should be noted that a retcon would have to be made, especially with the context of XY, for ORAS to be able to exist parrallel to XY as both it and Kanto take place at the same time before Sinnoh and Johto which is before the Unova saga. This is explicitly stated throughout all of the games and a retcon would have to be made to follow the history. [[User:Darre|Darre]] ([[User talk:Darre|talk]]) 19:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
:I am fairly sure ORAS will simply replace RSE in timeline. XY happens at the same as B2W2, which happens 2 years after BW, which happen unknown time after DPPt/HGSS, which happen unknown time after RSE/FRLG. I don't see the problem. I mean, Bill ''did'' invent Time Machine (at least in GSC), and there's no problem with trading between BW and B2W2, which both are in different time periods.[[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
::We can't make a note because we don't know what they are going to do with the games in regard to the timeline. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

== Kalos thematic motif ==

Anyone have any material thought up for this? I just want to bring it to attention. To provide some brainstorming, beauty, bonds (expressed via your four friends as well as Mega Evolution), and mortality are among the themes.

[[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 17:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

== No Updated Art from Ken Sugimori for Remakes ==

Should it be mentioned that this is the first generation to receive remakes but not to receive updated art from Ken Sugimori for all the Pokémon introduced in the original games? When FRLG came out Gen I Pokémon we got new art, and when HGSS came out Gen II Pokémon got new art. Outside of maybe one or two Pokémon and not counting Megas, We've not gotten any official art to replace the original Gen III art. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it is really notable since Sugimori changed his art-style between Generations II and III which is most likely why they art for Gen I and II Pokémon was updated at the time of their remake release. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

== Ability to choose a non region-specific game language ==

The Gen VI games now allow the player to choose a game language before starting a new save file, unlike previous generations where the game language depends on the region of the cartridge. This fact is present in [[Pokémon X and Y]] ("playable in all seven of the languages...") but not [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. Would it be better to move this information to [[Generation VI]] instead? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 04:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Clarification Needed ==

In the alterations from Generation V section there is a line saying "The player can no longer register screens, such as Pokédex entries." What does this mean exactly? It is very vague in my opinion. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[Feature registration]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

== I need confirmation before adding this trivia. ==

* Generation VI was the first generation not to have a [[glitch Pokémon]] with an [[index number]] of 000.
Is this true? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:It is not. No generation has a Pokémon with index number 000. However, if you hack the game it is possible to force that data to be loaded, which gives you a glitch Pokémon. There are just no easy glitches to force the game to access Pokémon index 000 in Gen VI. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I changed the trivia. However, are you sure there's a 000 glitch Pokemon in Generation VI? If there was, it would be on Bulbapedia by now. I'm just not sure that there ISN'T. In other words, I need to talk to somebody who has datamined a Generation VI game. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::From a programmer's perspective, I think it is a bit silly to note in trivia whether a particular generation/game '''does/does not''' have a [[glitch Pokémon]]. Glitch Pokemon do not "exist" in the strictest sense; they are results of illegal/invalid data access, most commonly due to specifying an index which goes beyond expected boundaries (eg. 000, >721). If a particular glitch Pokemon "does not exist" in a particular generation, it could be either due to improved error handling in the game code (for example, instead of returning a glitch Pokemon, newer games might detect invalid values and give you a [[Bad Egg]] instead), or because that the game will crash/freeze immediately instead of giving you a Pokemon. [[List of glitch Pokémon]] notes the "existence" (or rather, that it is viable to get one without the game crashing on you) of a #000 glitch Pokemon, by the way. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 02:25, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, if there's no 000 Pokemon in Generation VI, is my trivia true?[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 13:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::No, and I am not sure if you contradicted yourself earlier (I am understanding you as saying: no explicit #000, therefore no glitch Pokemon with #000). Building upon what has been mentioned above by myself and SnorlaxMonster, just like glitch Pokemon do not "exist" in the strictest sense, they also don't "not exist" either. Glitch Pokemon are a side-effect of programming oversight (or hacking/[[cheating]]); strictly speaking, '''no''' Pokemon game has a #000 Pokemon--it was not the intention of the game developers to make a #000 Pokemon available, so there is no data defined for all these glitch species. You can "see" some glitch Pokemon (without the game crashing/freezing) because data is being read from other locations in game memory, which happen to be legal values for Pokemon stats, so they appear to be valid Pokemon (to go into further detail, IDs 722 to 798{{sup/6|XY}}/825{{sup/6|ORAS}} contain Pokemon data pertaining to existing species' forms/mega evolutions, so that could be why such glitch Pokemon appear to be stable).
:::::Anyway, [[List of glitch Pokémon]] states that you ''can'' actually find #000 glitch Pokemon, so in a sense, they "exist", and your trivia is false. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why does it say that only three legendaries were introduced? ==

Generation VI introduced Xerneas, Yvetal, Zygarde, Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion. That's more than Generation I, so the trivia is wrong. I removed it, but somebody (should I point fingers?) reverted it. If the latter three aren't considered legendary, what's the definition of "legendary"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion are Mythical Pokémon, not Legendary Pokémon. See [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[Mythical Pokémon]] for exact definitions. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

== Primate Trivia ==

Should it be mentioned that this is the first generation not to introduce at least one new Pokémon based on a primate? Gen 1: Mankey Line, Gen 2 Aipom, Gen 3 Slaking line, gen 4 Chimchar line and Ambipom, gen 5 elemental monkey lines, Gen 7 Oranguru and Passimian and Gen 8 Grookey line and Zarude. All these generations had at least 1 monkey or other primate introduced. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Apricorn

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Yamitora1: /* Acquisition */ an NPC will trade Watts for Apricorns

[[File:Apricorn.png|thumb|230px|The seven Apricorns]]
'''Apricorns''' (Japanese: '''ぼんぐりのみ''' ''Bonguri Fruit'') are fruits native to the [[Johto]] region that can be used to make [[Poké Ball]]s. They can also be found in the [[Kanto]] region in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} and on [[Galar]]'s [[Isle of Armor]] in {{g|Sword and Shield}}'s [[The Isle of Armor]] expansion.

Specialists can hollow out Apricorns and fit them with special devices to allow them to function as Poké Balls. [[Kurt]] is one such specialist. Before [[History of Poké Balls|Poké Balls became standardized]], everyone used hollowed-out Apricorns to catch Pokémon. The process used to create the Poké Balls was developed sometime between 400 and 700 years before the present day.

Because the outer skin of Apricorns are so tough, they cannot be eaten by Pokémon unprocessed. Instead, Trainers can blend Apricorns in an [[Apriblender]] to make Aprijuice for their Pokémon to drink.

==List of Apricorns==
{| class="roundtable" style="background: #{{Apricorn color light}}; border:3px solid #{{Apricorn color dark}}"
!
! Name
! colspan=2 | Corresponding Poké Ball
! Corresponding performance stat(s)
|-
|{{bag3|Black Apricorn}}
|[[Black Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Heavy Ball}}
|[[Heavy Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#000"|All
|-
|{{bag3|Blue Apricorn}}
|[[Blue Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Lure Ball}}
|[[Lure Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Skill color}}"|[[Performance#Skill|Skill]]
|-
|{{bag3|Green Apricorn}}
|[[Green Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Friend Ball}}
|[[Friend Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Jump color}}"|[[Performance#Jump|Jump]]
|-
|{{bag3|Pink Apricorn}}
|[[Pink Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Love Ball}}
|[[Love Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Speed color}}"|[[Performance#Speed|Speed]]
|-
|{{bag3|Red Apricorn}}
|[[Red Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Level Ball}}
|[[Level Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Power color}}"|[[Performance#Speed|Power]]
|-
|{{bag3|White Apricorn}}
|[[White Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Fast Ball}}
|[[Fast Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#000"|None
|-
|{{bag3|Yellow Apricorn}}
|[[Yellow Apricorn]]
|{{bag3|Moon Ball}}
|[[Moon Ball]]
| style="text-align:center; background:#{{Stamina color}}"|[[Performance#Stamina|Stamina]]
|}

==In the core series games==
===Mechanics===
[[File:Apricorn Box.png|thumb|150px|The Apricorn Box]]
Apricorns can be turned into Apricorn Poké Balls. In Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver, the player can given Apricorns to [[Kurt]] in [[Azalea Town]], who will have turned them into Poké Balls by the next day. In Pokémon Gold and Silver he can only craft one Poké Ball at a time, whereas in subsequent games he can craft any number of the same Poké Ball at once.

Additionally, in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, they can be blended using an [[Apriblender]] to make drinks which improve a Pokémon's [[performance]] for [[Pokéathlon]] competitions. The color of the Apricorns corresponds to their [[flavor]] and associated performance stat, with the White and Black Apricorns affecting all stats.

In Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver only, Apricorns cannot be held, in order to prevent them being traded to {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} (where they do not exist). In these games, Apricorns are placed in the [[Apricorn Box]] (a [[Key Item]] that functions like a pocket) instead of the [[Bag]]'s Items pocket. However, a Pokémon caught in an Apricorn Poké Ball can be traded to Pokémon Diamond, Pearl or Platinum, although the Pokémon's Poké Ball will appear as a standard {{i|Poké Ball}} in those games.

===Acquisition===
[[File:Route 37 Apricorns II.png|thumb|left|200px|The group of Apricorn trees on {{rt|37|Johto}} in Generation II]]
[[File:Route 37 Apricorns IV.png|thumb|right|200px|The group of Apricorn trees on {{rt|37|Johto}} in Generation IV]]
The primary method of obtaining Apricorns is from Apricorn trees. These trees yield one Apricorn per day. In the [[Generation II]] games, only one of each Apricorn is available per day, from the Apricorn trees on [[Route]]s {{rtn|37|Johto}} and {{rtn|42|Johto}} and in [[Azalea Town]].

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Apricorns are much more widely available. Locations that contained [[Berry]] trees in Generation II now contain Apricorn trees instead, sometimes with the number of trees also being increased. [[Green Apricorn]]s are by far the most common, appearing in eight places; while [[White Apricorn|White]] and [[Red Apricorn]]s are the least common, each only appearing in three places.

[[The Isle of Armor]] Apricorns are obtained by shaking Berry Trees or exchanging [[Watts]].
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==In spin-off games==
===Pokémon Quest===
[[File:Quest Apricorn.png|thumb|100px|An Apricorn in Pokémon Quest]]
An Apricorn is an ingredient that can be used in {{OBP|cooking|Quest}} to attract wild Pokémon in [[Pokémon Quest]].

====Description====
{{movedesc|Apricorn}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Quest}}|Hard and small ingredients.}}
|}
|}

====Acquisition====
Apricorn is a possible ingredient that can be obtained by completing [[Tumblecube Island|expeditions]]. It can also be obtained randomly by recycling [[Power Stone]]s.

==In the anime==
Apricorns made their only major {{pkmn|anime}} appearance in ''[[EP143|Going Apricorn!]]''. After [[Kurt]] had given {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} a [[Fast Ball]] each, made from [[White Apricorn]]s growing next to his house, he sent them to collect other Apricorns with [[Maizie]]. After several failed attempts at picking Apricorns, {{ashfr|the group}} managed to pick two [[Blue Apricorn]]s and a [[Black Apricorn]], which Kurt used to make a pair of [[Lure Ball]]s and a [[Heavy Ball]] for them, which they obtained shortly before leaving [[Azalea Town]] in the [[EP144|next episode]].

In ''[[DP143|An Egg Scramble!]]'', [[Yellow Apricorn]]s were one of the things [[Khoury]] was selling at the [[Johto Festival]].

===Gallery===
<gallery>
Blk Apricorn anime.png|A Black Apricorn
Blu Apricorn anime.png|A Blue Apricorn
Grn Apricorn anime.png|Green Apricorns
Pnk Apricorn anime.png|A Pink Apricorn
Red Apricorn anime.png|Red Apricorns
Wht Apricorn anime.png|A White Apricorn
Ylw Apricorn anime.png|Yellow Apricorns
</gallery>

==In the manga==
[[File:Apricorn Adventures.png|thumb|230px|An Apricorn in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Apricorns were first seen in ''[[PS101|Teddiursa's Picnic]]'', where [[Kurt]]'s ability to turn them into special Poké Balls was demonstrated. {{adv|Gold}}, unaware of Apricorns' true purpose, attempted and failed to eat one from a tree.

In ''[[PS154|Yikes, It's Yanma!]]'', an Apricorn lottery was used to randomly decide which pairs of [[Gym Leader]]s from [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] would face each other in an interregional {{wp|exhibition game|exhibition match}} at [[Indigo Plateau]]. [[Erika]] and [[Pryce]], due to their statuses as the leaders of their respective [[region]]'s Gym Leaders, were automatically selected to battle each other.

In ''[[PS442|Out-Odding Oddish]]'', Gold was seen running around the [[Pokéathlon Dome]] to make Aprijuice out of Apricorns with his [[Apriblender]].

====Gallery====
<gallery>
Blu Apricorn Adventures.png|A Blue Apricorn
Red Apricorn Adventures.png|A Red Apricorn
Wht Apricorn Adventures.png|A White Apricorn
Ylw Apricorn Adventures.png|A Yellow Apricorn
</gallery>

==Name origin==
The word Apricorn may be a combination of "{{wp|apricot}}" and "{{wp|acorn}}".

''Bonguri'' may come from the {{wp|Castanea crenata|Japanese chestnut}}, known as にほんぐり (''nihonguri''), or from the {{wp|acorn}}, どんぐり (''donguri'').

==Trivia==
[[File:Apricorn respawn.png|thumb|[[Green Apricorn|Grn Apricorn]]'s tree on {{rt|30|Johto}} respawning at midnight]]
* In Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, Apricorns have different sprites for the Apricorn Case and the Bag. In these games, the Bag sprites are only used in the point-exchange menu at the [[Pokéathlon Dome]].
* In the anime, possibly as a coloring error, [[Black Apricorn]]s were portrayed as being brown-colored.
* Because of the length of the word "Apricorn", only the [[Red Apricorn]] is able to have its full color name in English prior to [[Generation VI]], with the other six having abbreviated versions because item names are limited to 12 characters (including spaces). Starting in Generation VI, item names can be longer, and the Apricorns are all spelled out in full in English (although they were not made available until [[Generation VIII]]). In all generations in Japanese, abbreviation is used only for the [[Green Apricorn]], which uses みど ''mido'' as an abbreviated form of みどり ''midori'', green.
* In Generation IV, if an Apricorn tree is left bare and on-screen without turning the game off over [[Time|midnight]], the plant will sparkle (in the same way [[Berry]] plants do when advancing a stage) and an Apricorn will appear on it. If the game was in sleep mode (the [[Nintendo DS]] was closed) over midnight, this will happen as soon as the game is taken out of sleep mode.

==In other languages==
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|zh_cmn=球果 ''{{tt|Qiúguǒ|Cone}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 圓柑果實 / 圆柑果实 ''{{tt|Yuángān Guǒshí|Round Tangerine}}'' {{tt|*|Anime, Adventures}}
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|nl=Abrikhorn
|fr=Noigrume
|de=Aprikoko
|he=אפריקורן ''Apricorn''
|hi=अॅप्रीकॉर्न ''Apricorn''
|it=Ghicocche
|ko=규토리 ''Gyutoli''
|pl=Apricorn
|pt_br=Bolota
|pt_eu=Apricorn
|ro=Apricorn
|es_la=Apricorn
|es_eu=Bonguri
|vi=Trái Bonguri
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{{Apricorns}} 
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[[Category:Apricorns|*]]
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Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number/Archive 2

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== Archives ==
* [[Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
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== Gen VI ==
<s>Could Aurorus and Tyrantrum be added to the page, or will they be added after this mystery Pokémon is revealed tomorrow?</s> Scratch that. Aurorus, Tyrantrum, and Doublade need to be added. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

== 719, 720, 721 ==

I remember reading somewhere that someone discovered Pokemon past Zygarde. Should we add them? [[User:Liberty Bell|Liberty Bell]] ([[User talk:Liberty Bell|talk]]) 14:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:We know about them, but we can't really confirm them since this time we neither can crack into the game to see all the data, nor they've been officialy revealed... at least for now. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Cottonee's type change ==

Can anyone add Fairy type to Cottonee please, that's because it's evolution is also Fairy type. Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 06:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== False typing ==

Cottonee and Whimsicott are not fairy type. Why do people keep stating that when you cannot even find them in x or y? --[[User:Admantus|Admantus]] ([[User talk:Admantus|talk]]) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:You can't catch them yourself, but they are used by other Trainers in battle facilities, etc. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

::And according to Serebii, Cottonee line is now Fairy type, however, you can't catch them in Kalos and the only way to get them is to transfer Pokémon from Black, White, Black 2 or White 2 to X or Y, this is because it is not available to catch in Kalos however you have a chance to see them in battle facilities whereas Trainers used Whimsicott. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, Serebii might be wrong, because they haven't even updated the sprites for the other unobtainable pokemon that appear post-game. I think that the types should be switched back to pure grass until pokemon bank comes out. --[[User:Admantus|Admantus]] ([[User talk:Admantus|talk]]) 20:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

:That has nothing to do with it. I mean, the information on Bulbapedia is always confirmed information. And any information that wasn't confirmed gets removed. So, the fact that Cottonee/Whimsicott being Grass/Fairy hasn't been removed or altered back to it's original information/typing means it's been confirmed. And like [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] and others have said, just because you can't catch it in the Kalos region games doesn't mean you can't still obtain it. And that means, the information for Cottonee & Whimsicott are programmed in the games. So, I say let it be. [[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 21:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

== Order ==

Is it just me or are the pokemon listed for gen VI out of order? Not like broken, but I see like 114 right after 93 and etc. ★☆[[User:Togetic45|'''Toge''']][[User talk:Togetic45|'''tic''']][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|'''45''']]☆★ 18:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:It's not out of order. Those are the Pokemon's Kalos Dex numbers. The list is ordered by the National Dex numbers. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

== Secret Gen 6 Pokemon ==

What about those secret Pokemon from Gen 6? The ones after Zygarde? Shouldn't they be on here now? [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 11:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

:I'm so sorry, the Pokémon Company haven't revealed these mythical Pokémon so let's just leave it for now until it's revealed so we don't know yet. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 12:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I think the hacker who discovered the secret Pokemon is reliable because the Pokemon he found where: Hoopla, Volcanion, Daince, Fancy Vivillon, and the Mega Eon twins. Four out of six have revealed. If we do put in Hoopla and Volcaion when should put a little star (*) like on the list of Pokemon in the a area in the ranger game if you must release them after you catch them. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 17:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

== Generation VI Sprites ==

Why there are no sprites for the new Pokémon introduced in X and Y? [[User:Dalton358|Dalton358]] ([[User talk:Dalton358|talk]]) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because we don't have them and we don't allow taking from other sites without permission. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
::I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. [[User:Dalton358|Dalton358]] ([[User talk:Dalton358|talk]]) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:::They have 3DS capture cards. Few Bulbapedia users do, and the only ones I've seen with them have been focusing on other things, like Trainer images. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Multiple Pokédeces in Generation VI ==
In the Generation VI, there are 3 Pokédeces: Kalos Central, Kalos Coastal and Kalos Mountain. For example:
# Chespin is Kalos Central #001
# Inkay is Kalos Coastal #010
# Goomy is Kalos Mountain #019
The list doesn't reflect it.

-[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 08:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:That's because this is the National Pokédex list. You want [[List of Pokémon by Kalos Pokédex number]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:::This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
::::I concur with the main issue. Don't write completely undifferentiated numbers as if all you have to do is scroll through one Pokedex to find any given Pokemon; that's not at all the case. Do something like this:
{{rdexh|X|Y|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Kalos Pokédex number|VIdex}}}}
{{rdex|001Ce|650|Chespin|1|Grass}}
{{rdex|002Ce|651|Quilladin|1|Grass}}
|}
::::I would also strongly suggest linking the regional 'dex abbreviations in the headers so people can click on them and immediately jump to those 'dexes. (If this were done, this would make "VIdex" less "misleading".) I linked "VIdex" above, and I'll demonstrate the same for the other generations below...
{{rdexh|red|green|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|Kdex}}}}
|}
{{rdexh|gold|silver|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Jdex}}}}
|}
{{rdexh|ruby|sapphire|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hdex}}}}
|}
{{rdexh|diamond|pearl|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sdex}}}}
|}
{{rdexh|black|white|dexname={{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number|Udex}}}}
|}
::::For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in [[Template:Rdexh|the header template]] so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that ''should'' be clickable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::As Abcboy said, this remains an issue. I have taken the liberty of creating [[User:Tiddlywinks/List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|a user page]] that fixes the main issue in this discussion. The page also incorporates my idea for 'dex links in the headers, as well as renames the Kalos section's table header from "VIdex", a name that is not proper considering the existence of ORAS now.
::::::I hope someone on staff will take a cursory look at my user page and then copy the code onto this page (give or take the headers, perhaps), so that this issue may finally be solved. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Bump... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

== Color ==

I noticed that the color coordination is not in accord with the Kalos National Pokédex. Shouldn't each region get the appropriate color attributed to them? [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

:Interesting observation. I had never noticed the color coding in the Kalos National Pokédex before, but it's there, and is to my knowledge the first time an official source has used color coding to denote regions.
:Bulbapedia currently uses specific colors for regions, but this particular page uses the colors of the first games taking place in those regions. Perhaps the colors for the tables on this page should be replaced with the region colors. Meanwhile, replacing the region colors themselves with the ones in X and Y is a discussion that should take place but might be too big for this page. I would recommend taking that up with a staff member. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

== The icon for diancie. ==
Now that Diancie has been released, you guys need to update this page to contain the sprite for diancie so it is no longer a grey question mark. [[User:Randomviewer896|Random Viewer]]

== Flabébé line ==

We've done it for Shaymin, Burmy and Rotom (as well as others) and the sprites are in the Archives, so can an admin (since I can't edit the page) add on the different mini sprites of them, or explain to me why they aren't used on it? Thanks.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== Save space ==

Welcome. I got the idea, in which a list of Pokemon replace the tiles. It would have saved a lot of space and reduced the site to a minimum. Imagine this:
{|
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #001
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:001Bulbasaur.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Bulbasaur}}}}}
|-
| align=center style="{{roundybl|5px}} background:#{{Grass color}}" width=50% | [[Grass (type)|Grass]]
| align=center style="{{roundybr|5px}}; background:#{{Poison color}}" width=50% | [[Poison (type)|Poison]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #002
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:002Ivysaur.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Ivysaur}}}}}
|-
| align=center style="{{roundybl|5px}} background:#{{Grass color}}" width=50% | [[Grass (type)|Grass]]
| align=center style="{{roundybr|5px}}; background:#{{Poison color}}" width=50% | [[Poison (type)|Poison]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #003
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:003Venusaur.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Venusaur}}}}}
|-
| align=center style="{{roundybl|5px}} background:#{{Grass color}}" width=50% | [[Grass (type)|Grass]]
| align=center style="{{roundybr|5px}}; background:#{{Poison color}}" width=50% | [[Poison (type)|Poison]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #004
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:004Charmander.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Charmander}}}}}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="{{roundybottom|5px}} background:#{{Fire color}}" | [[Fire (type)|Fire]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #005
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:005Charmeleon.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Charmeleon}}}}}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="{{roundybottom|5px}} background:#{{Fire color}}" | [[Fire (type)|Fire]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #006
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:006Charizard.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Charizard}}}}}
|-
| align=center style="{{roundybl|5px}} background:#{{Fire color}}" width=50% | [[Fire (type)|Fire]]
| align=center style="{{roundybr|5px}}; background:#{{Flying color}}" width=50% | [[Flying (type)|Flying]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #007
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:007Squirtle.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Squirtle}}}}}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="{{roundybottom|5px}} background:#{{Water color}}" | [[Water (type)|Water]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #008
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:008Wartortle.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Wartortle}}}}}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="{{roundybottom|5px}} background:#{{Water color}}" | [[Water (type)|Water]]
|}
|
{| class=roundy style="margin:auto; border: 2px solid #{{red color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! colspan=2 style="{{roundytop|5px}}; background: #{{green color light}}" | Ndex: #009
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 | [[File:009Blastoise.png|100px]]
|-style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| colspan=2 align=center | {{p|{{{3|Blastoise}}}}}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="{{roundybottom|5px}} background:#{{Water color}}" | [[Water (type)|Water]]
|}
|}

As you can see images of Pokémon will be bigger and will take less than half the length now. --[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 09:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

:I don't necessarily agree with this idea. It looks better and shows off a Pokémon's appearance in full instead of just resorting to the icon, yes, but it's a lot more complex to work with incase there's an error. If you want to make it, you can do it as a personal user page under something like [[User:Dominikololo/Visual National Pokédex]] just to give us a full example. [[User:Superjustinbros.|Superjustinbros.]] ([[User talk:Superjustinbros.|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

Considering the fact the Johto Pokédex part of the Gen II Pokémon section was updated to the newer version from HG/SS, it's probably best we update Hoenn's under the Gen III Pokémon section to the one from ΩR/αS. [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 00:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Hoopa Unbound and Dex numbers ==

Hoopa's Unbound form needs to be added. Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion's Dex numbers also. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 16:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

{{rdexh|X|Y|VI}}
{{rdex|150|718|Zygarde|2|Dragon|Ground}}
{{rdex|151|719|Diancie|2|Rock|Fairy}}
{{rdex|152|720|Hoopa|2|Psychic|Ghost}}
{{rdex|152|720U|Hoopa|2|Psychic|Dark}}
{{rdex|153|721|Volcanion|2|Fire|Water}}
|}

== Sun and Moon Legendary Mascots ==

Can someone who has access to editing this page add [http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/20-April-2016.shtml Solgaleo and Lunaala] to the Gen VII list? They have been revealed along with the Alola starters, but remained nameless in the video. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:As you say, they are nameless. Until there is confirmation, we will not be assuming their names. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

== Charjabug and Vikavolt ==

Shouldn't Charjabug and Vikavolt be immediately after Grubbin, seeing as they're its evolutions? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] ([[User talk:Pokemega32|talk]]) 13:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
:I noticed that too; I think whoever renamed/added them meant to move both Rockruff and Komala down, but somehow missed Rockruff... [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
::Just went to look at it and it seems SnorlaxMonster got it covered. Thanks for pointing it out. Too bad we don't know anything about their official numbering yet, but I guess they want to keep some things (how many 'Mons, for instance" a secret, so meh. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

== Hippowdon ==

If Unfezant and Frillish line are included twice for both genders, shouldn't Hippowdon be added as well? Their appearance is quite different as well.
Same goes for several other cases, if Hoopa and Meloetta have their forms added, why not Keldeo or Kami trio? Who decides what should appear and what shouldn't, and by what rule??? {{unsigned|KingisNitro}}
:The Hippos, it may be because official art (see [[Hippopotas (Pokémon)]], the big image at the top) AFAIK has never depicted the female forms, while for {{p|Frillish}} and {{p|Unfezant}} it has.
:The difference between Hoopa and Meoetta vs Keldeo and the Kami trio may be that the former change types when they change form. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Basculin is also listed twice, by the way. Vivillon, that also changes menu sprite depending on forms, is only included once (understandably because of how many form differences it has).
:::I mean I was mostly asking, so thanks for "justifying" it. Also, regarding whether it adds anything content-wise - except for the type changing forms, nothing really adds any content (Frillish, Hippos, Unfezant, Basculin, Vivillon), which is why I was puzzled. Didn't seem like there was any actual reason to include multiples. But I guess Sugimori arts are a good enough reason (I just couldn't figure it out). {{unsigned|KingisNitro}}

== Alolan ==

Someone needs to add the recently revealed Pokemon, which I assume would include Alolan Forms (as they all change type.) [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

:No, I think this page is better suited for the Pokémon with their natural Pokémon types to help prevent the page from getting too messy or confusing. This is why separate sub-pages are better suited to handling this such as the [[Mega Evolution]] page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 00:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
::FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:::I would think that the Alolan Forms should be added, as the type changes, it appears the Pokémon don't switch between the two (an Ice/Fairy Ninetales would have Ice Vulpix), and multiple entries are added for Darmanitan, which is a similar case. I suppose the second point is mostly speculation at this point, though, but I don't think it would hurt the page overall. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

== Wimpod's types ==

[[Wimpod]]'s types are Bug/Water, not Water/Bug. Someone should fix it. --[[User:RafaelGN|RafaelGN]] ([[User talk:RafaelGN|talk]]) 03:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

== Wishiwashi, Pyukumuku, and Morelull ==

This page still lists the japanese names even though the English names are revealed and confirmed and the pages for them use the English names. [[User:AztecCroc|AztecCroc]] ([[User talk:AztecCroc|talk]]) 14:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

== Rugarugan ==

Someone needs to add Rugarugan after Rockruff; it's been over a day. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 17:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:I will try see if I can. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::never mind I didn't know that the page is protected. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::It hasn't been added because there is no page for it and it hasn't been officially revealed, it was leaked. The admins know what they are doing and it will be added when it gets added. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== why is this page protected? ==

why is this page protected? I want to add Rugarugan after Rockruff but I can't. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Most of the time it doesn't need to be changed, and when it does, we don't want people jumping the gun on rumors and stuff. Things like this we (as staff) update it when it's appropriate to do so. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Rowlet National dex number and menu sprites ==

On the [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-bank/ Pokémon Bank page] on the official site, menu sprites for several Gen VII Pokémon have been shown, and Rowlet have been confirmed as #722. Here's direct links for the relevant images: [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/media/uploads/sept_20_assets/screenshots/top/sept20_p12_01_en.png Top screen], [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/media/uploads/sept_20_assets/screenshots/bottom/sept20_p12_01_en.png Bottom screen] - [[User:RHeegaard|RHeegaard]] ([[User talk:RHeegaard|talk]]) 00:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

:I'm assuming that the reason only Rowlet, Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek were uploaded is because they are the only ones with numbers (I am curious where you got official evidence of Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek's numbers though?), but would it not be possible to upload the others as "DrampaMS.png" and such so that they can be listed? It would make the table easier to read, I think. It's also what we do with artwork (whereas Pikachu's artwork is [[a:File:025Pikachu.png|File:025Pikachu.png]], Drampa's is [[a:File:Drampa.png|File:Drampa.png]]), so it's not like it goes against Bulbapedia's other efforts. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
::In large part, most places where menu sprites are used simply ''cannot'' accomodate filenames like DrampaMS (this page being an excellent example of such a place). The few places it might be usable aren't really worth it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Can we add: [[Steenee (Pokémon)]], [[Tsareena (Pokémon)]], [[Hakamo-o (Pokémon)]], [[Ribombee (Pokémon)]]? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 14:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:They've already been added. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 14:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:::For future reference, if you just wait, someone will almost assuredly get to it soon enough. (I mean, if someone asked this every time there was a new reveal, this page would probably quickly end up bloated.) If it's 24 hours later, ''then'' it's late. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

== Oricorio ==

How come {{p|Castform}} has all of its forms on the list but {{p|Oricorio}} doesn't? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:Personally, it could be due to the criteria, but I cannot tell. So, here is a hopefully complete list of what Pokémon with multiple menu sprites appear and which do not.
:From the group that does appear: Unfezant (Gender difference), Frillish (Gender), Jellicent (Gender), Castform (Ability), Deoxys (Form), Burmy (Form), Wormadam (Form), Shellos (Form), Gastrodon (Form), Rotom (Form), Giratina (Item), Shaymin (Item), Basculin (Form), Darmanitan (Ability), Meloetta (Move), Hoopa (Item), All Alolan Pokémon (Form)
:From the group that does ''not'' appear: Pyroar (Gender difference), Meowstic (Gender), Ash-Greninja (Ability), Zygarde (Forme), Kyurem (Item), Cosplay Pikachu (Form), Pikachu (Unknown), Spiky-eared Pichu (Form), Unown (Form), Cherrim (Ability), Arceus (Item), Flabébé (Form), Floette (Form), Florges (Form), Deerling (Form), Sawsbuck (Form), Tornadus (Item), Thundurus (Item), Landorus (Item), Keldeo (Move), Vivillon (Form), Furfrou (Form), Aegislash (Ability), Oricorio (Item), Silvally (Item), Minior (Ability), All Mega/Primal Evolution Pokémon (Item/Move),
:...So, basically, I would guess that this might have been potentially overlooked. Who is to say? Granted, I do understand that Unown, Vivillon, Arceus, and Silvally likely are excluded for a good reason. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
::IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to [[Pokémon with unique type combinations]] page)? {{unsigned|KingisNitro}}
::::The most important thing to remember, I think, is that this is a list of Pokémon species. It's not a list of minisprites. It's not even a list of Pokémon's types—those are included supplementarily. And it's ''certainly'' not a list of Ken Sugimori art.
::::On that note, I think the inclusion and exclusion of form differences should follow a less horrendously arbitrary standard. Either A) all forms with unique minisprites or types are included, or B) only one form per species is included, determined by a consistent criterion. If we go with A, I absolutely agree with KingisNitro that they should be merged into a single row, since it makes no sense to list the same species multiple times in a list of species. If we go B, I propose that the criterion be "whichever form is leftmost in Pokémon Bank's National Pokédex", since this is consistently a form that can be considered the most basic or "default".
::::So the question is, A or B? Should we put it up to a vote? [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 02:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::I am going to mention that this technically is over six month old, but I will say that if anyone wants to put this up for a vote or needs to make a new section to discuss this can go ahead. Though, I do want to note that we now have issues with Pokémon like Togekiss who have two menu sprites just for which side they are facing. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

==Alola==

At the very top of the page, it still doesn't list Alola with the rest of the regions. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 10:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

== Alolan Pokedex number of new Pokemon ==

The ADex numbers of Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon, and Zeraora should be changed to 261, 262, 392, 393, and 403 respectively. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Gliscor sprite missing ==

the Gliscor Sprite is missing, can't edit to put it in [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

2017-02-03T13:22:46Z

Yamitora1: /* Why does this exist? */

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[a:File:Legendary_birds.jpg]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[a:File:GenIII_Battle.jpg]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Legendary titans.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.png|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[a:File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
''
"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions they gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Secret Sword|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Ice Burn|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Shock|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that Kyurem's base stat total is lesser than that of zekrom and reshiram, so there might be a new one to fill that void as it would be hard for it to control those other two. Just a thought, mind you. We'll all find out eventually. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Whenever I join in a conversation, it dies. Awww... [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Even if it is, there is not enough evidence that Cresselia is the Lake Trio's master. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Legendary Golems==
Should it say some where that Regirock, Regice, Registeel, and Regigigas are all weak to fighting? Or does it already say that somewhere? ([[User:Plokool|Plokool]] 02:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC))

== Kyurem vs Cobalion ==

Since this new movie is featuring Kyurem and the musketeer Pokemon, is it possible that Kyurem is their master? Or is it to early to tell? Once we see the movie, if it turns out my theory is right, I think it's worth adding, but I suppose time will tell. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 03:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

:Besides the movie, what does Kyurem have in common with the musketeers? The types don't coincide ({{t|Flying}} for the [[Legendary birds]]), there is no historical connection ({{p|Ho-Oh}} bringing back the [[Legendary beasts]] after their death, Landorus stopping Thundurus and Tornadus, Arceus creating the creation trio and the lake guardian trio), there is no name similarity to make them slot straight in (Regi- Rock, Steel, Ice, Gigas), and there is no ability connection (Rayquaza's Air Lock to neutralise Kyogre and Groudon). There is no point speculating until Kyurem and Keldeo are given a proper spotlight in an upcoming game. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== duo+master=/=trio ==

Doesn't "trio" imply three equal parts?
For example I find it silly that it's the "weather trio" when 2 of them cause weather, and the stronger one neutralizes it (not to mention the dozen other ways Rayquaza is superior to them, including a more intelligent guardian-like role, instead of wreaking havoc). A weather-duo with an anti-weather-guardian would be the right direction. Same for the cloud demons. And the musketeers; if anything Cobalion is at least part of the trio, Keldeo the adoptee is the one whos place in it is in the air for now. But even then, Cobalion being their master, based on its vague role in the family, with nothing else that would make it stick out in any way (unlike Keldeo) is too much. They don't have a master, just a student. Also the word master feels so misleading (it's not like they own or control each other), but.. there is no fitting word for meaningless obvious connections between legendaries that I know of.

I also want to note that the pokemon fanbase is exaggerating the creation myths/legends part of legendary pokemon when it comes to this kind of speculation (which may be what GF were aiming for though XD). The only things that really presents these creatures as supernatural beings with godlike powers, are their myths. The facts are simply that pokemon exist, who are stronger than usual and have some neat abilities (affecting the weather, manipulating dimensions a bit). They don't even show any sign of near human-like intelligence, actually they can happen to get caught into pokeballs by strong trainers and battle for them like usual (unless one considered anime canon, but its kind of hard to take serious when they disregard lots of things from the games and make up just as much own crap as they go along). Think of it that way; in the old times, some people witnessed a legendary like Groudon or Arceus, saw water evaporating wherever it went/saw it call a bunch of Unowns to make an egg or two fall out of the sky, and as they passed the info on, it turned into myth starring Groudon as the landmass god or Arceus as the creator of the universe. Same for the rest. They didn't create anything, they're just very rare/gone/hidden and best at manipulating specific things. Thanks for anyone who actually reads this, just had to vent it somewhere already Dx --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:In regards to your opening sentence, the word "trio" just means "group of three", and in no way implies equality within the group. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:: Well alright, but what makes the difference between the Regis being a trio with master instead of being a quartet, if not that the three share more similarities between each other than with Regigigas? If the Regis aren't a quartet then Groudon and Kyogre are a duo with a master/guardian (as they have so many similarities while Rayquaza sticks out as superior on multiple levels, even design-wise), same for the Kami. Also at the moment we have no idea what will become of Kyurem and how it really relates to the other 2, but in the current state they're not a trio by that logic (even if Kyurem gets buffed up, itd be a Rayquaza situation in the end).--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 11:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Rayquaza doesn't really stick out from Groudon and Kyogre to me. They all have something to do with weather (neutralizing weather still involves weather), have similar markings, their movesets are even slightly similar. I can see how the Regis and Regigigas could be a quartet, except that Regigigas came out in a different generation. I feel like that sets it farther apart from the other Regis than Rayquaza is from Groudon and Kyogre. Plus, I find that the reference to Regigigas creating the Regi trio also sets it apart. If it created them, shouldn't it be their master and not part of their group? Like Ho-oh and the Legendary Beasts. These are just my opinions, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 11:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::It could have caused Sandstorm or Hail but instead it neutralizes weather, that is clearly superior. It doesnt wreak havoc, it steps in to calm the idiots down. It has 3 different colors of markings (red, black AND yellow) instead of just 1 (red or black). It has 2 types instead of 1. It has superior stats.... either everything ends up being part of a single octagesimaltet or its grouped by sharing the same amount of similarities. lol.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Well B2W2 have been out for a while and I think it's safe to say {{p|Kyurem}} is the Tao Trio master.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 04:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:Do you have any reason why it would be the master? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
::Well, {{p|Kyurem}} seems to be the corpse of the original dragon. Kyurem can be combined with {{p|Zekrom}} to form Black Kyurem or with {{p|Reshiram}} to form White Kyurem with the DNA Splicers, which makes Kyrem seem dominant over the other two. It represents a boundary of some sort. It also wants to reunite with Zekrom and Reshiram. [[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 19:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I disagree, it didn't display that it could have "dominated" them on its own. It was only with Team Plasma's intervention that it was able to, as otherwise it would not have had the DNA Splicers necessary for that to occur, nor the power to track down Reshiram/Zekrom. Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are more "proof" of Ghetsis (and later the player character) ruling over Reshiram/Zekrom than Kyurem doing so. Personally, I've never really liked the concept of "trio masters". People seem too eager to force things into these roles when they may or may not be fitting. But this is getting off-topic from my original comment. >.> Sorry for the rambling. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 02:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
::::The DNA Splicers are originally owned by Drayden not made by Team Plasma, so Black/White Kyurem could have been formed without Team Plasma's existence. I don't remember exactly how Drayden said he aquired them but I think he said they are passed down by his family which leaves their origin in question.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::You missed the point. If Team Plasma hadn't stolen them, Kyurem would have never fused with Reshiram or Zekrom, or even been able to. Drayden had no reason or desire to use them, and I'm not even sure he knew what their use was. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 15:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::I realize that, I'm just saying it's possible Kyurem could have fused with Reshiram/Zekrom in the past without Plasma's intervention since the DNA Splicers existed before Team Plasma. I will adimit though, that the DNA Splicers are probably human-made and not created by Kyurem or anything.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 02:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

== Meloetta the Kami Trio's Master ==

We've placed Landorus as the Kami Trio's in house Trio master...but wouldn't Meloetta also fit the bill since it controlled their transformation in the anime, and got them back under control after they went berserk.

I know its just in the anime, but we consider Lugia the bird trio's master and that was in a movie.

'''Evidence:''' Meloetta, like the Kami trio, also has a form change.

Meloetta is needed, at least in the anime, to help the Trio achieve their Therian Forme.

When all three went berserk, it was Meloetta who calmed them, and then changed them back to their Incarnate forme.

The evidence of Meloetta being the true Trio master is piling up. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

But the game doesn't have enough evidence to support that. Plus, they dont share similarities in origin. However, If you look at the base stats, Meloetta does have a base stat equivalent to landorus. However, I dont think there are very concrete evidence that support this. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]]) 03:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:: We're not going by the games here; if we were going by the games then Lugia would be completely ousted as the Trio master for the legendary birds since the games have no evidence for it. Lugia's title was granted because of the movie a power of one, just as Meloetta's title should be granted [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I really think this should be discussed. Meloetta, albeit in the anime only, is definitely fitting for the role. Also as I've mentioned, Lugia got its title from a movie which isn't much different than the anime. Meloetta is needed to call upon the trio to the ruins, transform them into their Therian forms, control them, calm them and turn them back to their Incarnate forms. It also (as pointed out by Nobody777) has the same stat total with other similarities such as gaining atk in their alternate forms. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:This will not be discused, because Trio Masters are dictated by the games' canon. Since it's established in the games that Landorus is the Trio Master, there is no discussion in that regard. In the case of Lugia, there's no mention wether if it is or not, hence, another continuity's canon had to be adopted, since its role in the movie was fitting that of a Master. If the games said otherwise, it would be removed of this list. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 09:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Suggested merge ==

This is a fan term for a phenomenon that's only loosely present in the games, and no explicit connection/comparison between trio masters has (to my knowledge) ever been made in canon, suggesting to me that there is not a pressing need for them to be grouped together in the mainspace. Furthermore, virtually every instance of the subject matter itself is pretty debatable:
* Lugia is a trio master only in the anime
* Ho-Oh is a trio master only in the games
* Rayquaza and Landorus (and Kyurem, if you subscribe to that theory, which is mentioned in Trivia but not in the main body of the page) are already members of their trios, making them not quite fit the pattern
* Regigigas and Arceus are said to have created the trios they're supposedly "trio master" of, but there's otherwise no indication they actually have any sway over them the way other trio masters are supposed to
* The Swords of Justice are properly a quartet, not a trio, and if we're going to single any of them out, it should really be Keldeo since it's the one that ''canon actually does single out as different from the others'' (but more importantly, the Swords canonically don't fit the trio-and-master dynamic to begin with, so they shouldn't be here at all even if the page continues to exist)
So yeah, basically, I don't believe there's any actual canonical justification for this to be a mainspace page. I think we should do what we did with Electric rodents: pare it down to the essentials and use that to expand its section on [[Appendix:Fan terminology]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

:Months ago I brought up the issue for Landorus being given the title despite in the anime Meloetta having actual sway over how they take their other forms and the only response was a juvenile argument backed by no real evidence, and the Lugia evidence manipulated to fit their POV.

:I'm actually more in favor of abolishing this entire article, since it serves no real purpose and is nothing but speculation brought forth through fan head cannon and happenstance evidence weaker than an ounce of instant coffee in a water cooler. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
::I agree that this article/concept is too much of fanon. However, like "electric rodents", the concept of a "trio master" is popular enough in fanon that we'll have to document it somehow, but I don't think this quite warrants its own page either. I personally support a merge to the [[Appendix:Fan terminology]], this is the kind of thing that article is for. ''Popular'' fanon should be documented, but not treated like it's an official thing. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 22:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Well, since its a page specifically for fandom stuff, I think it should be placed there. But the style of the article seems sterile, so what info would really be added that isn't already on the article to begin with?[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

== Other 'references' ==

I'm a little unsure about some of the things that appear in the {{DL|Trio master|other references to trio masters}} section. To me, some of them really don't seem like references at all, namely having to purify all of the Shadow Pokémon in Colosseum and having to befriend all 300 Pokémon in the Oblivia Browser in Guardian signs in order to encounter Ho-oh and Lugia, respectively. Yes, in each of these cases the befriending of a legendary trio is required to meet their master, but befriending the trio ''specifically'' is not. The three legendary birds are indeed needed to encounter Lugia in Guardian Signs, but so are 297 other Pokémon. That doesn't seem like much of a reference to me. It's not even like they're the only legendary trio that appear in the Oblivia Browser anyway. This also applies to the legendary golems in Shadows of Almia. I think that these three points should be removed from the page. [[User:Dannyboy601|Dannyboy601]] ([[User talk:Dannyboy601|talk]]) 16:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

== Why does this exist? ==

Why has this fanfiction page returned to dominance? It makes no sense to have this on every legendary page and only even begins to make sense by combining sources from difference canon. Lugia is not a "trio master" in the games and it's not a term that's ever even uttered in the anime or manga, any details that this page tells us can be told on the appropriate section of each Pokemons page (such as Lugias relation to the legendary birds in the anime). This is an eyesore on an otherwise factual and accurate wiki and needs to be mass deleted.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:I fully agree, but as far as I'm aware this has been brought up before and never gained much traction. We would need to get the approval of the {{bp|Editorial Board}} to delete it, so the most effective path forward might be to make your pitch on one of their talk pages in hopes of convincing them to discuss it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::I disagree, this page is useful in describing a recurring relationship between legendary Pokémon in the games. While I agree that Lugia's inclusion is perhaps questionable, the others are clearly trio masters. Ho-oh resurrected the dogs, regigagas is clearly the master of the regis, arceus created the creation and lake trio, Rayquaza and Landorus are clearly internal leaders. It's clear that whenever there's a trio, there's usually a clear external or internal leader/master/overseer (whatever you want to call them). I say that's noteworthy [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 18:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not canonical, though. It's all fan inferences. It belongs, at best, on [[Appendix:Fan terminology]], not in the mainspace. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it isn't canon. However, the issue for deletion is apparently "it is fanon and therefore does not belong in the mainspace." And if that is the reason, then [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Project_Fandom_logo.png&limit=100 we had better be prepared to do quite a bit of deleting] for a reason that seems to be worded oddly. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:00, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Fanon =/= fandom. The vast majority of those pages are documenting the Pokémon fandom in real life and/or on the Internet. This page (and a small handful of pages on that list, like [[HM slave]]) is instead trying to describe something in the games that is entirely inferred or invented by fans. The latter category of pages, in my opinion, do not belong on a self-respecting encyclopedia like we hope to be. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wiki's should always be factual, preferably with supporting evidence. My problem is that many articles on here now, this trio master stuff specifically, relies far too heavily on assumptions, theories and fan ideas, most of which only make sense if you assume anime rules and lore apply to the games, which is something we can say for 100% certainty is not the case. I can understand the argument that fanon has its place here, but it shouldn't be so prominent in the description for every single legendary. It's misleading, if not completely incorrect.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree that the page should be deleted. "Trio master" is not a defined, solid concept, and the relationships referred to on the page could easily be moved into a '''Relationships between Legendary Pokémon''' section of the Legendary Pokémon article. --[[User:Lmoamemesxd|Lmoamemesxd]] ([[User talk:Lmoamemesxd|talk]]) 10:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
:I'm really not sure you can call this "fanon". In fact, "fandom" really is more accurate. The only thing that's really not canon is the name "trio master", but that's what the unknown name template is for (and look just how many times it's used on this site). Each "master's" status over the respective trio are supported by canon. This relation between one more powerful Pokémon and a trio (or two others, thus creating a trio) isn't exactly disputable. It's mentioned time and time again, in game after game. [[User:Schiffy|I don't even give a Schif]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 22:04, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
This page should be deleted , but all links to this page should be removed beforehand to remove all traces of this article. And to make there be no red links. [[User:Boorider7|Boorider7]] ([[User talk:Boorider7|talk]]) 16:06, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:Except the thing here that is truly non-canon is the term itself. Trio Masters are canon that has been made clear on different occasions such as with the weather trio. And even if the term is non-canon right now there is a good chance it can fall into official usage like Eeveelutions and Shiny Pokémon did. {{unsigned|Flain}}
::As far as I'm concerned, if we have endless pages on shipping, the whole fanon excuse to delete this page is bogus. Move it to an Appendix page, but not deletion. Trio Master relationships are canon in both the games and anime. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:38, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
:::This article should not be deleted, but the rules should be voted on as to what should be taken into consideration as to what qualifies a Pokémon to have such a title. Because it seems only a small group of people have decided what dictates the rules for a trio master, adopting and changing them as they see fit so as to keep the article to their liking. and because of this people with valid points are left without a voice and/or ignored altogether.

:::Alternatively we could rename the article since master isn't exactly the best description. maybe Trio Mediator would be a better name since Pokémon like Lugia and Rayquaza don't necessarily control as much as counterbalances the others. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:22, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

== Rather than deleting this page, here's my take... ==

I think this page is necessary, and it already makes it clear that "trio master" is a fan term and not particularly elucidated by the games in every instance. While it can be argued Lugia, Ho-Oh, and Arceus being "trio masters" is fanon due to the fact that they only have very loose, very roundabout in-game associations with their respective trios, it is an established fact that Rayquaza is the master of the weather trio, Regigigas is the master of the titans, and Landorus is the master of the Forces of Nature. Each one of those either keeps the other members of its trio in check or created the members of its trio. Lugia on the other hand was only referenced in the game canon as tied to the legendary birds via Sea Spirit's Den, and otherwise, very much unrelated. Ho-Oh has absolutely nothing to do with the legendary beasts other than reviving them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the three don't worship it, the three don't follow its commands, nor does anyone make a clear connection between the four. Arceus was the creator of the lake guardians and creation trio, but does that necessarily mean it itself is part of those trios? Like the prior examples, it is otherwise a standalone Pokemon with no common design/type/name themes. I think this page simply needs to be reworked rather than deleting it or considering it in its entirety as fanon.
[[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 04:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary trio

2017-02-02T18:34:39Z

Yamitora1: /* Gen VI Trio */ article statement on trio masters

==Ideas==
Here are some ideas: 

-Possibly better names for the [[lake trio|lake]] and [[weather trio]]s and [[Dialga]]/[[Palkia]]/[[Giratina]] (note that each of these guys have a similar look like all trios [these have a similar mouth] and share a naming system [like all trios except the weather trio]): Legendary fairies (maybe pixies/sprites/spirits?), legendary ancients, and legendary dragons (or something that involves dimensions). 

-I agree with several articles saying [[Rayquaza]] is the internal leader/mediator of the weather trio, especially since it is more powerful that the other 2. 

-I think maybe [[Arceus]] can be considered the leader of both the fairies and dragons. This would fit since it is so powerful. 

-I don't think the weather/dimensional trios can be considered true trios, since they break some patterns (Weather - not all are equally powerful; internal leadership; don't share a naming system; they look similar but are not in the same, say, "family"; while other trios would typically share the same stance (flying, all fours, bipedal, etc.), these do not; Dimensional - not all together in 'dex listings; stance thing). Also, perhaps one could say each has a legendary that sort of opposes what they represent? The weather trio all represent a part of the Earth, whereas [[Deoxys]] is an extra-terrestrial being, and the dimensional trio each represent a dimension of reality, whereas [[Darkrai]] represents dreams. So perhaps these guys can be seen as "leader" (well, antithesis) to these trios. 

Sorry for the OR. ^^; --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 21:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merging the trio pages ==

I think all of the trio pages should be merged into this article. Most are very short and would fit under their own headings in this article. At the very least, [[trio master]] should be merged with this article. Thoughts? --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 16:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was just going to suggest this. It sounds like a great idea. Whoo for extremely late replies. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings ==

;Celebi (Prayer)
;Jirachi (Wish)
*This is also hinted at when Jirachi replaced Celebi on the bonus disc; Celebi's wish-granting seems to be the benevolent kind that gods do, Jirachi's seem to be the literal, malevolent kind that demons/genies do

;Shaymin (Nature)
;Rotom (Technology)

;Regigigas (Pangaea)
;Manaphy (Panlassa)
*Phione is servant to Manaphy

;Deoxys (DNA/Space)
;Heatran (Magma/Earth)

::Rotom is not a Legendary, though... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::It does have the music, and you can only catch one in an event battle. Plus, Manaphy/Phione is also in the genderless egg group. I don't know, it just seems to be set up as an opposite pretty well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Music doesn't make the legendary. Otherwise Cresselia and Shaymin wouldn't be legendary. Besides, Rotom doesn't represent technology, it pretty much destroys it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::True, but that also means that not all legendaries must appear in the exact same circumstances, and Rotom still has the traditional "legendary pokemon" theme. While Rotom may corrupt technology, it is still drawn to it - just like how Lugia is drawn to the sea, while its duty in the movie is to depower it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

::::You can get snorlax and the red gyarados in a special way like you do with legendaries and they are not legendary at all. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Hey, has anyone noticed how the trio pics on this site are (no offense) COMPLETELY PATHETIC?!?! I say someone ask Aragornbird (the webmaster on Arkeis.com) to make some trio pics. Those things are terrible! {{User|Giratina's Embodiment}}
:Official artwork is preferable to fan art. We get less edit wars that way. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I still say we should call in aragornbird, his pics are awsome. Please don't say 'if you think FAW is so good, you draw pics yourself', because I can barely draw Ditto. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings Part II ==

I think you should extend those to full trio ideas, rather than just duo such. I would do at least one:
Mew/Celebi/Jirachi ('Cute' trio)
Also, while we're on the talk of 'cute' legends, I agree with whoever in Terminia put up a Manaphy/Phione pair on the duos page. I need to get to that right now. What in the name of Majora put brains in that guy? (Sorry, that's a compliment). [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:...Do you have proof of such?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== No Merge on my lands! ==

'''NO''' merging the trio pages on my watch. Although I agree with merging the Legendary Trio and Trio Master pages. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics Part II ==

Okay, I have an idea. I'm gonna talk to aragornbird, and if he agrees, how about we ''add'' the pics rather than changed to them? Because I think those pics are awesome, but agree with Fabu-Vinny; it'll prevent unnessasary edit wars. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Naming Ideas ==

I think that these trios ''need better names!'' for example;
G/K/R: Wheather Trio? Bad Name. Mabye change to Legendary Earthmasters? Or Super-Ancients, I like that one.
U/M/A: Lake Trio? Again, bad name. Try Lake Spirits, or Legendary Spirits.
D/P/G: Dragon Trio? Not to bad, but I like that Universal Trio one. Or Legendary Universals.
[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:We don't name them....'''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point, but could we at least throw in alternate names for them, like (using dragon trio as example)

Dragon trio is the term used to describe the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. They are also known as the Universal Trio.

Or something like that. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:If you made up that name, and not another professional website, then no. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine then. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 21:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All of those names are terrible. Earthmasters? Kyogre lives in the Ocean and Rayquaza in the sky. Why would we even include fan names? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Can it, Sketch. I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing.
:You shouldn't talk to Sketch like that, he's an admin. Plus he does have a point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you not hear what I ''just said?!'' I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing. My master just has a little trouble with the keyboard. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Riiight. Still, fan made names shouldn't be used. This is an encyclopedia, and we don't use them here, it was what my point and Sketch's point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. I'm just gonna specify what my names meant.

Earthmasters: This trio controls the condition of the Earth. Super-Ancients: They are ancient Pokémon.

Lake Spirits: This trio's member's all live in lakes in all games they appear in, and M/A are seen as spirits in the anime. Legendary Spirits: latter of previous explanation.

Universal Trio: This trio may as well control the universe. Legendary Universals: Exact same thing. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 22:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

== Is it a coincidence? ==

That the birds, beasts, and lake trio's have a similar color scheme. Red/pink(Mespirit), Blue, and Yellow.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

: No, I think that was planed [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
::Is it worth mentioning?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::RBY is a very common color scheme, especially when they are reusing the same types. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== "Muskadeers"? ==

I belive a mention is the least they can have; they behave exactly like the trios of older generations, with 580 BST and their avaliability. Keldeo acts in some ways like a trio master, rather that making a quartet, and is an event Pokemon on top of that. Also, it is d'Artagnan and the Three Muskateers, not The Four Muskateers, keep that in mind.

As for the Fuijin/Raijin trio, Landros has a higher BST that Tornaros and Voltros, and acts in some ways similar to a trio master. Both of the traditional 580 trios in Gen V are unorthodox, but they deserve a mention at least.

I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level.
[[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Energy Dragons ==

Shouldn't the energy dragons be under mascot trios?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 11:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Is the third one a version mascot? No. So obviously no.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Not YET, I would say, but it is obvious, give it 2 years. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I think calling it uncategorised could confuse people who come to the page. While not all 3 of them are mascots it can be assumed that Kyurem will be the mascot for the 3rd version, though assumption isn't good enough to list it as so. However if Kyurem isn't the mascot then it would be listed as a normal trio which would confuse some who would think otherwise. I think the problem is that a Mascot trio hasn't been properly defined. Is it where all 3 members are mascots? In which has while Kyurem may be a mascot in the future for now it isn't and thus the Energy Dragons aren't (at the moment) as mascot trio. Is it where the majority (two thirds) are mascots? In which case even while Kyurem isn't a mascot the trio has enough mascot members to count as a mascot trio. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trio Names ==

Any reason that the trio names are somewhat inconsistent?

:'''We have:'''

::*The Legendary Birds, Beasts, and Golems.

::*Then the Lake Guardians.

::*And then the Musketeer, Kami, Weather, Creation, Tao trio.

----
Clearly this is inconsistent, and I think some changes should and can be made. The Birds, Beasts, and Golems are fine. The term, "Lake Guardians", is canon. (in the anime) Musketeer trio seems a bit biased since they are NOT the musketeers, just BASED off the three Musketeers, however the name will work for now unless an official name is released, however I would prefer Legendary musketeers over Musketeer trio. Same goes for Kami trio, and if agreed upon, I think it should change to "Legendary kami" as well, considering they are all based off kami. Tao trio is.. awful. I don't think a trio should be named after an entire religion. If anything else, Balance trio would be better, but to be consistent, Balance dragons would work as well.
----

:'''This would leave us with:'''

::*Legendary Birds.

::*Legendary Beasts.

::*Legendary Golems.

::*Lake Guardians.

::*Legendary Musketeers.

::*Legendary Kami.

::*Balance Trio or Balance Dragons. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, this is your preference. ...You also forgot the Weather trio and the Creation trio. What, okay, you'd make it the Creation dragons. Good luck on the Weather.
:Their names have never been about "consistency". This is about '''what people call them''' collectively, and giving them something to be called under. Obviously none of these names are official by far (save the Lake trio's), but uniformity is silly. By the way, no one's probably going to get "Balance" since you need to understand what they're a balance of before you get why. Which is why Tao makes tons more sense...and it's hella shorter. And if you can make something shorter in this fandom, people will prefer it. ...You can't call them the "Legendary Kami", anyway. Kami as gods are legendary in their own right, so redundancy is redundant. ...You also argue that calling them Musketeers is biased, since they're based on them, not are them. Then "Kami" is biased, too, since they're based on gods, not are them. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::"Same goes for Kami trio", Yeah, I know that Kami is biased. Anyway, you make valid points. I still hate Tao Trio, [And the fact that people will pronounce it "Tay-oh" (rhymes with Mayo) when it is actually "Dow" (rhymes with Cow)] but I understand what you are saying. I wish they'd just give these trios canon names. :P --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I've been using Dimension Trio for Dia/Pal/Gira since DP. Makes sense doesn't it? :/ Creation Trio is taking it too far.
Unless we see another trio of dragons, Legendary Dragons is the simple solution (unlike the Dimension trio, these are actually referred to (all the time too) as dragons. Also note that their first types are Dragon, unlike the case for the Dimension trio which have it as the extra type.). --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Musketeers' status as a trio ==

While the Musketeers are currently listed as a quartet, the release of [[M15]] may change Keldeo's status from "unofficial quartet member" to "trio master" due to the other three appearing in the film as well. Speaking of which, why did we decide Keldeo was a normal member in the first place? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 00:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The musketeers are not on here?? If it's because of Keldeo, how comes no one insisted on taking off the golems when Regigigas came around in DP I wonder... well because they're still a trio obviously. Same applies for the musketeers. Golems got a master, musketeers got an apprentice. These are not equal members of the group.

Then there is the Weather and Kami trio. When there is 2 contrasting members, perfect counterparts in every possible way, but there is also a third similar pokemon but superior in several aspects.. does that really still count as a trio? Wouldn't that just make them a duo with a master?

I'm just asking for consistency here. On one hand regis are a trio with a master but at the same time, the weather guys are a trio,
when actually, both are made up of a smaller group and a master.....

Also the Tao trio is rushed. Unless Kyurem turns into a proper third member (we know it has 2 formes but that doesn't help this case so far), it's actually the duos opposite. Reshiram and Zekrom are about energy, they have tails resembling a generator and torch, while Kyurem has nothing attached to it (well, imitations in formes soon) looking like a plug, and is covered in actual ice, which fits with it having no energy source. So we can only guess for now till June, but it seems really obvious that whatever happens to it, it won't suddenly become a true "legendary dragon of Unova", which is what the duo is called throughout the games. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Know what? There should simply be a single page about groups of legendary pokemon...--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 10:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
: The Musketeers were on the page but were apparently dropped... by an Administrator, but with no explanation or (if this talk page is any indication) apparent consensus. Fourth member or no, I'd say the Musketeers are far more in line with the birds/beasts/golems/faeries than the Kamis are - as far as in-game roles go, the Kamis function far more like Lati@s with a third member. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 03:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

::Until we know more about Keldeo and its role in the group (which is most likely to be revealed in the movie), the [[Legendary Musketeers]] will stay put.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I wasn't aware we made choices regarding concepts from the games based on content from the movies. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 01:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Couldn't agree more on your upper comment HeroicJay. If the musketeers are a quartet and the kamis are a trio, then the regis are a quartet by all means. Except that everyone knows they're a trio with a master. Might as well make the beasts and Ho-oh a quartet /sarcasm. The movie might as well tell us the musketeers are a quintet with Shuckle, but I don't think it would make a good amount of sense to classify them as such because of it... They don't design the pokemon, they don't choose their background and concepts and they make up loads of stuff for the anime that would never happen in the games.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 19:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you've seen the ingame event in BW that Keldeo triggers:
"Long ago, a fire started in the Moor of Icirrus because of a war among people. In this fire, Keldeo was separated from its parents, but together, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion took care of Keldeo. They acted as its parents, and they taught it knowledge and moves for survival. '''Keldeo eventually grew and even surpassed the three Pokémon.''' One day, Keldeo took off from the forest with no one knowing why.
When the three meet again, they teach Keldeo the move Secret Sword."
Clearly it's not a normal member of the group.
Plot-wise
Concept-wise
Special move
Its an event pokemon for crying out loud.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 20:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Legendary group pages are a mess ==

I find it hard to believe that no one else thinks there's an embarrassing amount of inconsistency throughout pages like this one, trio masters, along with the individual group ones.
Here's an attempt at the topic with an actual structure: {{u|Saiph charon|ignore the eeveelutions bit}}--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Trio soon to be... ==

Since only X and Y have come out, the Kalos trio has been placed under the Normal Legendary Trio category...at least until Z or whatever comes out. All members of the trio must be a mascot for their games before they get the honor of being called Mascot Legendary Trios.

Also 'Kalos Trio' is only a place holder until the official name is adopted. From what I am seeing.... Ragnarok Trio, Yggdrasil Trio, Norse Trio, Circle of Life Trio or possibly Cartesian Trio are plausible candidates for this honor.

Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games"

So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio.

Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Nouns or proper nouns ==

Are Legendary trio nouns or proper nouns, so prior to Generation VI, it was named legendary trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== "Mortality Trio" ==

I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page.

Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; width:auto; background: #272727; border: 4px solid #525252"
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}}
|-
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mortality trio}}
|-
|}

== Mortality Trio, yet again ==
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

:Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

== Gen VI Trio ==

I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling.

:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, we can't really do anything until we get a response. It's been three days since I notified ForceFire. I tried talking to Tiddlywinks and he said that it wasn't his specialty but he'd let ForceFire know. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay. The SS036 basis for calling them a trio is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cool, I'll add it. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Now that we're considering them a trio, what should be the name we use for them? Since this isn't the only page affected by the change, I was going to start updating others, like [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[mortality duo]], but I realized I can't do a whole lot without knowing our preferred name for the trio (even if it's something as clunky as "mortality duo and Zygarde"). What name should we be using now? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Since there's not really an official name I think we should be going by what the fans use most, but I'm not sure what that is. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::We should just keep it as Aura Trio, since it is being used in Rumble, and the 3 abilities all contain aura. The other fan names are not really as common. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 06:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Aura Trio is fine, it's somewhat/semi official if it was used in Rumble.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Now there is the matter of the article stating all trios have a master. I doubt a general consensus has been reached as to if Zygarde is a master of the trio or not. Everyone was adamant in waiting for a third gen VI game to confirm anything but we got gen VII and in the Moon pokedex entry for Zygarde 100% it states "This is Zygarde's 100% form. It has enough power to overwhelm even Xerneas or Yveltal." and given its Aura Break ability and the fact it was sought out by Blue in the manga to put an end to Xerneas and Yveltal's battle. if these three things are not enough for it to be dubbd a master, then the article should be amended to have the statement about masters removed or reworded.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary trio

2017-01-30T06:51:08Z

Yamitora1: /* Gen VI Trio */

Here are some ideas: 

-Possibly better names for the [[lake trio|lake]] and [[weather trio]]s and [[Dialga]]/[[Palkia]]/[[Giratina]] (note that each of these guys have a similar look like all trios [these have a similar mouth] and share a naming system [like all trios except the weather trio]): Legendary fairies (maybe pixies/sprites/spirits?), legendary ancients, and legendary dragons (or something that involves dimensions). 

-I agree with several articles saying [[Rayquaza]] is the internal leader/mediator of the weather trio, especially since it is more powerful that the other 2. 

-I think maybe [[Arceus]] can be considered the leader of both the fairies and dragons. This would fit since it is so powerful. 

-I don't think the weather/dimensional trios can be considered true trios, since they break some patterns (Weather - not all are equally powerful; internal leadership; don't share a naming system; they look similar but are not in the same, say, "family"; while other trios would typically share the same stance (flying, all fours, bipedal, etc.), these do not; Dimensional - not all together in 'dex listings; stance thing). Also, perhaps one could say each has a legendary that sort of opposes what they represent? The weather trio all represent a part of the Earth, whereas [[Deoxys]] is an extra-terrestrial being, and the dimensional trio each represent a dimension of reality, whereas [[Darkrai]] represents dreams. So perhaps these guys can be seen as "leader" (well, antithesis) to these trios. 

Sorry for the OR. ^^; --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 21:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merging the trio pages ==

I think all of the trio pages should be merged into this article. Most are very short and would fit under their own headings in this article. At the very least, [[trio master]] should be merged with this article. Thoughts? --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 16:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was just going to suggest this. It sounds like a great idea. Whoo for extremely late replies. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings ==

;Celebi (Prayer)
;Jirachi (Wish)
*This is also hinted at when Jirachi replaced Celebi on the bonus disc; Celebi's wish-granting seems to be the benevolent kind that gods do, Jirachi's seem to be the literal, malevolent kind that demons/genies do

;Shaymin (Nature)
;Rotom (Technology)

;Regigigas (Pangaea)
;Manaphy (Panlassa)
*Phione is servant to Manaphy

;Deoxys (DNA/Space)
;Heatran (Magma/Earth)

::Rotom is not a Legendary, though... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::It does have the music, and you can only catch one in an event battle. Plus, Manaphy/Phione is also in the genderless egg group. I don't know, it just seems to be set up as an opposite pretty well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Music doesn't make the legendary. Otherwise Cresselia and Shaymin wouldn't be legendary. Besides, Rotom doesn't represent technology, it pretty much destroys it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::True, but that also means that not all legendaries must appear in the exact same circumstances, and Rotom still has the traditional "legendary pokemon" theme. While Rotom may corrupt technology, it is still drawn to it - just like how Lugia is drawn to the sea, while its duty in the movie is to depower it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

::::You can get snorlax and the red gyarados in a special way like you do with legendaries and they are not legendary at all. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Hey, has anyone noticed how the trio pics on this site are (no offense) COMPLETELY PATHETIC?!?! I say someone ask Aragornbird (the webmaster on Arkeis.com) to make some trio pics. Those things are terrible! {{User|Giratina's Embodiment}}
:Official artwork is preferable to fan art. We get less edit wars that way. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I still say we should call in aragornbird, his pics are awsome. Please don't say 'if you think FAW is so good, you draw pics yourself', because I can barely draw Ditto. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings Part II ==

I think you should extend those to full trio ideas, rather than just duo such. I would do at least one:
Mew/Celebi/Jirachi ('Cute' trio)
Also, while we're on the talk of 'cute' legends, I agree with whoever in Terminia put up a Manaphy/Phione pair on the duos page. I need to get to that right now. What in the name of Majora put brains in that guy? (Sorry, that's a compliment). [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:...Do you have proof of such?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== No Merge on my lands! ==

'''NO''' merging the trio pages on my watch. Although I agree with merging the Legendary Trio and Trio Master pages. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics Part II ==

Okay, I have an idea. I'm gonna talk to aragornbird, and if he agrees, how about we ''add'' the pics rather than changed to them? Because I think those pics are awesome, but agree with Fabu-Vinny; it'll prevent unnessasary edit wars. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Naming Ideas ==

I think that these trios ''need better names!'' for example;
G/K/R: Wheather Trio? Bad Name. Mabye change to Legendary Earthmasters? Or Super-Ancients, I like that one.
U/M/A: Lake Trio? Again, bad name. Try Lake Spirits, or Legendary Spirits.
D/P/G: Dragon Trio? Not to bad, but I like that Universal Trio one. Or Legendary Universals.
[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:We don't name them....'''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point, but could we at least throw in alternate names for them, like (using dragon trio as example)

Dragon trio is the term used to describe the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. They are also known as the Universal Trio.

Or something like that. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:If you made up that name, and not another professional website, then no. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine then. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 21:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All of those names are terrible. Earthmasters? Kyogre lives in the Ocean and Rayquaza in the sky. Why would we even include fan names? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Can it, Sketch. I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing.
:You shouldn't talk to Sketch like that, he's an admin. Plus he does have a point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you not hear what I ''just said?!'' I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing. My master just has a little trouble with the keyboard. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Riiight. Still, fan made names shouldn't be used. This is an encyclopedia, and we don't use them here, it was what my point and Sketch's point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. I'm just gonna specify what my names meant.

Earthmasters: This trio controls the condition of the Earth. Super-Ancients: They are ancient Pokémon.

Lake Spirits: This trio's member's all live in lakes in all games they appear in, and M/A are seen as spirits in the anime. Legendary Spirits: latter of previous explanation.

Universal Trio: This trio may as well control the universe. Legendary Universals: Exact same thing. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 22:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

== Is it a coincidence? ==

That the birds, beasts, and lake trio's have a similar color scheme. Red/pink(Mespirit), Blue, and Yellow.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

: No, I think that was planed [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
::Is it worth mentioning?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::RBY is a very common color scheme, especially when they are reusing the same types. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== "Muskadeers"? ==

I belive a mention is the least they can have; they behave exactly like the trios of older generations, with 580 BST and their avaliability. Keldeo acts in some ways like a trio master, rather that making a quartet, and is an event Pokemon on top of that. Also, it is d'Artagnan and the Three Muskateers, not The Four Muskateers, keep that in mind.

As for the Fuijin/Raijin trio, Landros has a higher BST that Tornaros and Voltros, and acts in some ways similar to a trio master. Both of the traditional 580 trios in Gen V are unorthodox, but they deserve a mention at least.

I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level.
[[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Energy Dragons ==

Shouldn't the energy dragons be under mascot trios?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 11:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Is the third one a version mascot? No. So obviously no.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Not YET, I would say, but it is obvious, give it 2 years. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I think calling it uncategorised could confuse people who come to the page. While not all 3 of them are mascots it can be assumed that Kyurem will be the mascot for the 3rd version, though assumption isn't good enough to list it as so. However if Kyurem isn't the mascot then it would be listed as a normal trio which would confuse some who would think otherwise. I think the problem is that a Mascot trio hasn't been properly defined. Is it where all 3 members are mascots? In which has while Kyurem may be a mascot in the future for now it isn't and thus the Energy Dragons aren't (at the moment) as mascot trio. Is it where the majority (two thirds) are mascots? In which case even while Kyurem isn't a mascot the trio has enough mascot members to count as a mascot trio. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trio Names ==

Any reason that the trio names are somewhat inconsistent?

:'''We have:'''

::*The Legendary Birds, Beasts, and Golems.

::*Then the Lake Guardians.

::*And then the Musketeer, Kami, Weather, Creation, Tao trio.

----
Clearly this is inconsistent, and I think some changes should and can be made. The Birds, Beasts, and Golems are fine. The term, "Lake Guardians", is canon. (in the anime) Musketeer trio seems a bit biased since they are NOT the musketeers, just BASED off the three Musketeers, however the name will work for now unless an official name is released, however I would prefer Legendary musketeers over Musketeer trio. Same goes for Kami trio, and if agreed upon, I think it should change to "Legendary kami" as well, considering they are all based off kami. Tao trio is.. awful. I don't think a trio should be named after an entire religion. If anything else, Balance trio would be better, but to be consistent, Balance dragons would work as well.
----

:'''This would leave us with:'''

::*Legendary Birds.

::*Legendary Beasts.

::*Legendary Golems.

::*Lake Guardians.

::*Legendary Musketeers.

::*Legendary Kami.

::*Balance Trio or Balance Dragons. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, this is your preference. ...You also forgot the Weather trio and the Creation trio. What, okay, you'd make it the Creation dragons. Good luck on the Weather.
:Their names have never been about "consistency". This is about '''what people call them''' collectively, and giving them something to be called under. Obviously none of these names are official by far (save the Lake trio's), but uniformity is silly. By the way, no one's probably going to get "Balance" since you need to understand what they're a balance of before you get why. Which is why Tao makes tons more sense...and it's hella shorter. And if you can make something shorter in this fandom, people will prefer it. ...You can't call them the "Legendary Kami", anyway. Kami as gods are legendary in their own right, so redundancy is redundant. ...You also argue that calling them Musketeers is biased, since they're based on them, not are them. Then "Kami" is biased, too, since they're based on gods, not are them. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::"Same goes for Kami trio", Yeah, I know that Kami is biased. Anyway, you make valid points. I still hate Tao Trio, [And the fact that people will pronounce it "Tay-oh" (rhymes with Mayo) when it is actually "Dow" (rhymes with Cow)] but I understand what you are saying. I wish they'd just give these trios canon names. :P --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I've been using Dimension Trio for Dia/Pal/Gira since DP. Makes sense doesn't it? :/ Creation Trio is taking it too far.
Unless we see another trio of dragons, Legendary Dragons is the simple solution (unlike the Dimension trio, these are actually referred to (all the time too) as dragons. Also note that their first types are Dragon, unlike the case for the Dimension trio which have it as the extra type.). --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Musketeers' status as a trio ==

While the Musketeers are currently listed as a quartet, the release of [[M15]] may change Keldeo's status from "unofficial quartet member" to "trio master" due to the other three appearing in the film as well. Speaking of which, why did we decide Keldeo was a normal member in the first place? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 00:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The musketeers are not on here?? If it's because of Keldeo, how comes no one insisted on taking off the golems when Regigigas came around in DP I wonder... well because they're still a trio obviously. Same applies for the musketeers. Golems got a master, musketeers got an apprentice. These are not equal members of the group.

Then there is the Weather and Kami trio. When there is 2 contrasting members, perfect counterparts in every possible way, but there is also a third similar pokemon but superior in several aspects.. does that really still count as a trio? Wouldn't that just make them a duo with a master?

I'm just asking for consistency here. On one hand regis are a trio with a master but at the same time, the weather guys are a trio,
when actually, both are made up of a smaller group and a master.....

Also the Tao trio is rushed. Unless Kyurem turns into a proper third member (we know it has 2 formes but that doesn't help this case so far), it's actually the duos opposite. Reshiram and Zekrom are about energy, they have tails resembling a generator and torch, while Kyurem has nothing attached to it (well, imitations in formes soon) looking like a plug, and is covered in actual ice, which fits with it having no energy source. So we can only guess for now till June, but it seems really obvious that whatever happens to it, it won't suddenly become a true "legendary dragon of Unova", which is what the duo is called throughout the games. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Know what? There should simply be a single page about groups of legendary pokemon...--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 10:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
: The Musketeers were on the page but were apparently dropped... by an Administrator, but with no explanation or (if this talk page is any indication) apparent consensus. Fourth member or no, I'd say the Musketeers are far more in line with the birds/beasts/golems/faeries than the Kamis are - as far as in-game roles go, the Kamis function far more like Lati@s with a third member. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 03:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

::Until we know more about Keldeo and its role in the group (which is most likely to be revealed in the movie), the [[Legendary Musketeers]] will stay put.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I wasn't aware we made choices regarding concepts from the games based on content from the movies. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 01:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Couldn't agree more on your upper comment HeroicJay. If the musketeers are a quartet and the kamis are a trio, then the regis are a quartet by all means. Except that everyone knows they're a trio with a master. Might as well make the beasts and Ho-oh a quartet /sarcasm. The movie might as well tell us the musketeers are a quintet with Shuckle, but I don't think it would make a good amount of sense to classify them as such because of it... They don't design the pokemon, they don't choose their background and concepts and they make up loads of stuff for the anime that would never happen in the games.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 19:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you've seen the ingame event in BW that Keldeo triggers:
"Long ago, a fire started in the Moor of Icirrus because of a war among people. In this fire, Keldeo was separated from its parents, but together, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion took care of Keldeo. They acted as its parents, and they taught it knowledge and moves for survival. '''Keldeo eventually grew and even surpassed the three Pokémon.''' One day, Keldeo took off from the forest with no one knowing why.
When the three meet again, they teach Keldeo the move Secret Sword."
Clearly it's not a normal member of the group.
Plot-wise
Concept-wise
Special move
Its an event pokemon for crying out loud.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 20:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Legendary group pages are a mess ==

I find it hard to believe that no one else thinks there's an embarrassing amount of inconsistency throughout pages like this one, trio masters, along with the individual group ones.
Here's an attempt at the topic with an actual structure: {{u|Saiph charon|ignore the eeveelutions bit}}--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Trio soon to be... ==

Since only X and Y have come out, the Kalos trio has been placed under the Normal Legendary Trio category...at least until Z or whatever comes out. All members of the trio must be a mascot for their games before they get the honor of being called Mascot Legendary Trios.

Also 'Kalos Trio' is only a place holder until the official name is adopted. From what I am seeing.... Ragnarok Trio, Yggdrasil Trio, Norse Trio, Circle of Life Trio or possibly Cartesian Trio are plausible candidates for this honor.

Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games"

So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio.

Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Nouns or proper nouns ==

Are Legendary trio nouns or proper nouns, so prior to Generation VI, it was named legendary trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== "Mortality Trio" ==

I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page.

Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; width:auto; background: #272727; border: 4px solid #525252"
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}}
|-
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mortality trio}}
|-
|}

== Mortality Trio, yet again ==
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

:Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

== Gen VI Trio ==

I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling.

:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Exclamation Mark ==

On the page is says that an exclamation mark appears over the partner Pokémon if you and the Pokémon are facing down, side by side. I was standing facing left, with my Pokémon behind me also facing left (looking at me), and the exclamation mark appeared above me once, and my partner twice. However, when it appeared above my partner, it was for Pokémon I either hadn't seen or hadn't caught, so could this be the real factor for whether the exclamation mark appears above you of the partner? [[User:Mattachu|Mattachu]] 13:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Interesting. I completed my HeartGold national dex last month, but I can test this in my SoulSilver version. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm.. I'll check too, then. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Good rod in HG/SS ==

In HeartGold, at least, the Good Rod isn't found in the Olivine Café, but rather in the building above the Pokécenter in Olivine.
[[User:Eckankar|Eckankar]] 10:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

== This might help with Consecutive Fishing math ==

Ok, so I caught my first Shinny through chain fishing the other day, wasn't even trying, forgot all about chain fishing until I caught a shinny male Poliwhirl. I was actually after its evolved form, Politoad before it popped up. I figure this was after 20 attempts to get a normal Politoad, the exact amount i cannot say but I am certain of 20.

The second Shinny I got was the next day, which was a male Relicanth. I did however keep track, and was surprised about how soon I caught it. After 10 consecutive bites I reeled in the shinny living fossil Pokémon, however before that I caught 2 Seadras back to back so maybe that did something to the chain.

The third shinny was a female Alomomola which was caught after 38 consecutive bites.

I'm not sure if any of that can help the more math gifted researchers come up with the numbers, but here it is all the same. Good luck. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
:Problem is it's entirely random, and some people are luckier than others. Also for future reference, there is only one "n" in shiny.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:46, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

== List of Pokémon obtainable by fishing? ==

Is there a list somewhere detailing which Pokémon can be obtained via fishing in each game, with details on in-game locations/rods used? I'm wondering because I want to know what shinies can be obtained through chain fishing. [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 02:07, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
:If you go to a location article it will list the Pokémon that can be caught by fishing in that area. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 02:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

== Source on Triple-Obstacle Chain Fishing Gen VI (XY) ==

"If three sides are blocked, every cast will hook a Pokémon."

I have had several instances in various locations where a cast did not yield a Pokemon. It timed out and the message "Nothing seems to be biting..." appeared. This happens with two rocks adjacent a tile and a land (even if the land isn't reachable by the trainer) or three rocks adjacent a tile. This happens while fishing while surfing (the bobber is two tiles away from the trainer) and while on land (the bobber is one tile away from the trainer). This happens when casting over a rock (while surfing).

I'd like to see a source on this either way. I don't have a capture card so trying to hold my phone and surf to do this would be a pain, but if there's no source anyone has, I'll go ahead and record I suppose.

[[User:Exaskryz|Exaskryz]] ([[User talk:Exaskryz|talk]]) 03:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:In short, the source is: experience. I did a total of 800 casts (in 2 or 3 different places, and most with the Super Rod but 100 with the Old Rod) in places where the bobber was closed in on three sides and ''never'' got "Nothing seems to be biting..." during those casts.
:I have recently discovered that, I think land can only close in a side if it's a beach; at the beach, the walkable land and surfable water are *right* next to each other, but in other places, there's a 1-tile, unwalkable and unsurfable border between them (normally you jump over it when you use Surf; you can explicitly test this border if you walk to the edge of land, take 1 step back, and then try to fish towards the border—it will fail).
:(Also, FWIW and perhaps related to that border: the bobber ''always'' lands 2 tiles away from the Trainer (even diagonally).)
:What exactly do you mean, "casting over a rock"? And are you saying that's the only time you experience this discrepancy with the 100% claim?
:You don't have to record a video, if you can just snap a good picture of your position and your cast, that might be informative enough. Or it might enable someone else (like me) to test that spot themselves. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Here's an image of casting over a rock, and another place where I don't cast over a rock (this is what I was talking about with a one-tile forward cast.) These rocks are found on Route 15 in Kalos.

::imgur.com/a/vGBQi (Couldn't hyperlink it because Wiki says to type words in a box that doesn't appear for me.)

::I run into the "Not even a nibble..." message on average around a dozen consecutive casts in these spots. Is there anything I'm doing wrong by removing items from my Pickup and Thief Pokemon between battles? Anything wrong with using O-powers (PP restoration for Thief)? Or must you have a Suction Cups/Sticky Hold ''and'' have three obstacles for the bite to be guaranteed? If it's the latter, the article does not make that clear at all.

::[[User:Exaskryz|Exaskryz]] ([[User talk:Exaskryz|talk]]) 01:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Hm, I didn't think you could cast directly over a rock like that, I'll have to double-check that (maybe it's just on Lapras).
:::Your problem is actually in your choice of spot entirely (if they're all like those two pics). Like I said above, I just recently discovered that in spots like those, the game doesn't recognize an obstacle on the third/landward side. I originally did most of my testing around beaches, and there the land ''can'' count as an obstacle.
:::A good example spot with three sides is if you go to the northwest point of [[Cyllage City]] (on the beach) and then Surf into the water and try fishing in any of those alcoves on the north between the big rocks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gen VII Fishing ==

As fishing in Gen VII lets you reel in items, would adding a table containing the items one might get when fishing be an idea? [[User: Jaxon|Jaxon]] ([[User talk: Jaxon|make fun of my]] '''[[Special: Contributions/Jaxon|failures]]''') 22:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
:I guess it makes sense only if they're the same across all locations. If they depend on the location (the way the Pokémon do), mentions on the location pages seem more appropriate. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
::If they do differ across locations, wouldn't it also make sense to combine the Pokémon and items into one fishing table? --[[User:Gp|Gp]] ([[User talk:Gp|talk]]) 07:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Are we sure that we can only should have a table if all items can be obtained at any fishing location? All we would need to do is add a third column to note which locations can obtain these items. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

== Bubbling spot ==
What are the odds of finding a "Bubbling spot" ? The fishing odds are different, but what are the conditions to find a bubbling spot ? [[User:Geographik0903|Geographik0903]] ([[User talk:Geographik0903|talk]]) 18:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:I may be wrong, but as far as I have surmised, each area has one predetermined bubbling spot. It stops bubbling after you fish at it, and starts bubbling again when you leave the area and return. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
::Does the odds of encounter rate change, or does it remain the same even after the bubbles are gone? The article doesn't make that clear. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Torracat (Pokémon)

2016-11-02T06:13:03Z

Yamitora1: /* Name origin */ Tomcat

== Name origin ==

I think the "Torra-" in Torracat comes from "tora" ( 虎 ), the Japanese word for "tiger", as it's feline and has stripes all over. Nyahiito may derive from "nya", the onomatopoeic Japanese "meow" (also derives from Litten's Japanese name "Nyabbi"), "hi" ( 火 ), Japanese for "fire", and the English word "heat".
[[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 14:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

German Name origin. Mieze 'Moggy' and Zunder 'Tinder'. That is all. [[User:CzarTyrant|CzarTyrant]] ([[User talk:CzarTyrant|talk]]) 14:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

::: Torr<nowiki>:</nowiki> A unit of pressure equivalent to 1 mm of mercury in a barometer and equal to 133.32 pascals.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::: Torrefy<nowiki>:</nowiki> Roast, scorch, or dry (a substance such as an ore, a drug, or a fuel) with heat to drive off all moisture or impurities.
‘torrefying wood loses 30% of the mass but only 10% of the energy. Origin
Early 17th century: from French torréfier, from Latin torrefacere dry by heat, from torrere parch, scorch. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Could also come from the word torrid, meaning really hot when referring to weather. That was my first thought when I saw the name![[User:Magentafeelings|Magentafeelings]] ([[User talk:Magentafeelings|talk]]) 20:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
I believe Nyaohiteu (the Korean name) is also a partial transliteration of "Nyahiito" (the Japanese one). It starts with the Hangul letters 냐 (nya) as opposed to 야 (ya) (which would be from 야옹 (''ya''ong).
[[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 11:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

:"Torra" is also similar to the Portuguese verb "torrar" (meaning "to roast"). [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 00:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

::I think its also a play on the word Tomcat. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

== Russian name ==

The Russian name of Torracat is Торракат.--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:28, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Origin of French Name==

The french could also come from the phrase "m'as-tu-vu", which is a show off. --[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] ([[User talk:Unbirth|talk]]) 20:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Decidueye (Pokémon)

2016-11-02T06:06:14Z

Yamitora1: /* Origin */ robin hood?

== Name origin ==
Decidueye comes from deciduous and eye.[[User:Ashitic|Ashitic]] ([[User talk:Ashitic|talk]]) 13:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:It also likely draws inspiration from the term "deadeye" used in reference an expert marksman. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::To expand upon this its Japanese name is ジュナイパー, or Junaipaa. Probably draws from jukai (abundant leafage) and sniper, though I wonder what it'll be officially romanized to since Juniper is literally the name of a type of plant. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 15:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:::To further expand, I think the inspiration for Decidueye's questionable typing lies in its name and appearance. Its cloak is brown, like a dead leaf, and "deciduous" refers to leaves that fall from shrubs and trees when they've matured and died (after which they become brown). The Ghost-typing (in place of the Flying-type) is a reference to dead leaves. Just thought I'd share in case anyone was confused. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|BNK]][[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]] 16:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Funny thing about the "{{wp|deadeye}}" inspiration, I thought it was more "{{wp|hawkeye}}". That's what I get for being into {{wp|Hawkeye (comics)|comic books}} too much. I guess either works, when you think about it. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 20:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

==Biology==
"Decidueye is an avian Pokemon closely resembling an owl. Its most prominent feature is a green, leafy hood that covers its head and shoulders. A pale cream-colored feather with a red-orange base extends from the top of the hood. Beneath this cowl, its head is black with a hooked beak and a pale chin, and it has red-orange, spectacle-like markings on its face. Its large eyes have golden-brown irises and red pupils. The hood also features a four-pointed, red-orange leaf below the chin and two leaf-tipped vines that act as drawstrings. Decidueye can use one of these vines as a bowstring to launch arrow quills. The arrows are stored in its wings, which are large and light brown with whitish spots on the uppersides. The red-orange points of the arrow quills are visible in a row along the underside of each wing. The ends of the wings have three pale-tipped feathers which act as fingers, allowing it to grasp the bowstring and nock arrows to attack. The tail consists of three leaves growing from its back. The body is cream-colored with fluffy feathers on the breast and long, powerful legs that are fully feathered. The feet have four sharp talons in a zygodactyl configuration, with two toes forward and two back.

This Pokemon is able to completely mask its presence as it moves around. When it finds an opening, it can draw, nock, and fire an arrow quill in as little as a tenth of a second. The arrows fly with astounding speed and amazing precision, piercing targets from over a half-mile away. Skilled Decidueye are capable of launching curved trick shots, attacking with arrows that soar skyward and drill down from above, striking multiple targets. Although it usually acts very cool, unexpected situations like surprise attacks can leave it terribly flustered." [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decidueye's Weight ==

Decidueye is now the lightest final starter evolution. It takes this place from Delphox. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

I hate to add onto this, but I believe that this should be added to the Trivia section of Decidueye's page. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 06:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Although it's currently listed as possibly being inspired by an archer and a barn owl, might it instead be based off a pueo? Pueo are owls only found in Hawaii and are notable for having a white ring around their dark faces, resembling a hood. They have a notable significance in traditional Hawaiian culture, and is one of the forms of the god Kane. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 23:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:That could be a possibility, though there have been plenty of starters that are based on animals that arguably aren't found in the country/part of the world their [[region]] is based off of let alone many Pokémon introduced in a region that isn't based on their real world habitat. If anything, I would think that the possibility that Decidueye is based on a {{wp|pueo}} would go along side the barn owl bit. But that's just me. Also one can fit the pueo inspiration into its {{t|Ghost}} typing, since the pueo is associated with the Hawaiian spirits known as {{wp|aumakua}}. But then again that might be something that was more meant for the [[Guardian deities]] like [[Tapu Koko]]----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 00:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Another idea, might be crazy, {{wp|stilt-owl}}, they are an extinct owl from Hawaii. Though Decidueye is a {{t|Ghost}} type, not {{t|Rock}}. But like I said, just a crazy idea to add to all this. Take it how you will. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 01:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
::No one has any idea what stilt-owls ever looked like, really. But Rowlet's family looks pretty well like a barn owl. If your only connections are "They're owls and they're from Hawaii"...consider looking harder (or just forever nursing the theory in your heart of hearts =P ). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:::No, I see no reason not to mention stilt-owls. Decidueye lacks a barn owl's very distinctive face. There's no indication in either the name or the lore that it's specifically a barn owl. It seems to be a mix of a couple of different owl species, or no owl in particular, as opposed to one specific species. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Heh. Hey, as I said, it was just a crazy idea I thought I'd add to [[User talk:Mimi|Mimi]]'s {{wp|pueo}} theory. *shrugs* ;) As far as I'm concerned at the moment, Decidueye is an {{wp|archer}}-{{wp|owl}} that may or maynot tie into {{tt|some sort of Hawaiian lore|concerning its sudden Ghost typing}}. That last part is just {{tt|a self-justification on its typing|as I said}} and is basically a "{{tt|WIP|work in progress}}", as I'll just wait and see what else happens. ;) If there are any "dots" that will be connected or the like, then "cool-beans". ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 02:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm seeing rumors crop up on Twitter that Decidueye is based on the [[wp:stilt-owl]], an ancient owl that was native to Hawaii, but went extinct some time between Hawaii's initial colonization by what are now native Hawaiians and the arrival of Europeans. They are only known today from fossil record. --[[User:Macsen|Macsen]] ([[User talk:Macsen|talk]]) 13:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

It could be possible that Decidueye's design may have been inspired by the {{wp|Ornimegalonyx}}, or the Cuban Giant Owl. This prehistoric owl is noted for its long, powerful legs, a trait that is likely seen with Decidueye's design and description of speed. And as these owls are flightless birds, it can also explain how Decidueye loses its flying typing. ([[User:BizarreJoDo|BizarreJoDo]] ([[User talk:BizarreJoDo|talk]]) 19:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC))

Maybe it's Ghost Typing could come from the evil owl spirit La Lechuza in Mexican folklore. She was an old woman who was murdered by a group of townspeople that considered her a "witch" who now comes back in the form of an owl to attack those who wronged her. A more light hearted basis could be on Santa Muerte (Holy Death) a revered figure of death in Mexican folklore who acts as a protector, healer, and helps with travel into the afterlife. She is often depicted with an owl, as owls are her messengers, and it is even believed that if someone hears the cry of an owl, than death is soon to come. Santa Muerte then guides the soul of the person who died into the afterlife. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 15:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:Gaijin Goombah is not a reliable frame of reference. Nor is any YouTuber's observation and/or opinion on game design. It has nothing to do with Mexico.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
::Sorry, just trying to help. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
::I honestly didn't know that it wasn't reliable. While I do agree with him, I'll try to remember not to post anything else from him on this site. Sorry for the inconvenience.[[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:::As far as any frame of reference or any source, it is best to stick with primarily the official information that comes straight from {{tt|the designers themselves or Nintendo or Game Freak|i.e. an official announcement from the Pokémon website or something like that}}. Best to avoid any fan-theories from Twitter, a Youtuber, or the like. I mean looking at sources like {{tt|Wikipedia|cautiously, of course, as like this site, people can just edit in something random}} or just a more {{tt|creditable source|question is, what would be considered 'creditable'? IDK, I digress}} is obviously alright. Also, [[User talk:Logo7|Logo]], when replying to someone directly like that, try to use a ":" in front of your reply to indent it. Anyway, for now, Decidueye is based off of {{tt|a species|or more species}} of {{wp|owl}} and an {{wp|archer}}. I'd say that being a {{t|Ghost}} type has at least to do with how {{wp|aumakua|Hawaiians perceive/portray owls in their culture}} but that maybe pushing it as far as me trying to avoid adding {{tt|speculation|best to avoid speculation here}}. And [[User talk:Macsen|Macsen]], I already mentioned the {{wp|stilt-owl}} in my statement a bit above yours and really as I concluded, that seems to be more of a {{tt|[[fossil]]-like scenario anyway|yes, I know Chikorita and Tropius seem to be based off of extinct animals like sauropods, but I still say it might be a stretch, look I already said what I needed to say earlier, just read the conversation from the beginning...}}. Btw, try using two "{"s and "}"s when linking to Wikipedia via template, you won't be stuck with a "wp:" in front. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 19:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Although, to be fair, I did know what La Lechuza was before watching that video, I only just made the connection after it. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 19:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

:Could there be some inspiration from Robin Hood? Other than the obvious hood thing, robin hood lived in Sherwood forest (type contribution) and was a famous archer who was stealthy enough to evade capture and rob many of their riches like he was a ghost. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

== Fully Evolved Alola Starters and Mallow leaked ==

Can someone who can edit this page add this to the Trivia section?

*On June 4th, 2016, [http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg official confidential art] featuring Decidueye, {{p|Incineroar}}, {{p|Primarina}}, and [[Mallow]] was leaked on the internet. This leak happened 145 days before the Fully Evolved Alola Starters' official reveal on October 27, 2016.

Here are my sources. http://www.pokecommunity.com/archive/index.php/t-370057.html <nowiki>http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg</nowiki>

--[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Primarina (Pokémon)

2016-10-27T14:50:41Z

Yamitora1: /* Name Origin */ oops ballerina as well

==Name Origin==
Prima Donna and marina. Prima Donna is the chief female singer in an opera or opera company. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:49, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Ballerina as well, thought I put that down, darn nyquil. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Primarina (Pokémon)

2016-10-27T14:49:13Z

Yamitora1: name origin Prima Donna and Marina

==Name Origin==
Prima Donna and marina. Prima Donna is the chief female singer in an opera or opera company. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:49, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-10-09T18:54:17Z

Yamitora1: /* sound based moves page messed up */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Excuse me, Tiddlywinks, but do you happen to have any news regarding any of the topics we discussed? I'd really like to get things going before Sun-rise, even for reasons other than being selfish or only ''personally'' disliking current states. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've kind of been trying to do a few things recently before S/M comes out/PGL shuts down, and this isn't a '''huge''' priority, so I've been letting it slide. I haven't forgotten, I just haven't made time to finish it up yet either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I see. Thank you.
::::Just as some kind of explanation, or maybe excuse: It's just that I've been considering to check/correct move effects (''possibly'' after doing something with [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], but not sure) ''before'' I have no clue whether it's still up to date. (And this is not primarily about minor things.) As it's a rather time-consuming thing to do or plan, it would be open up opportunities ''at least for me'' if you could possibly move your judgment on Showdown a bit further upstream your priority list (at least above the damage article stuff).
::::I've seen other users at talk pages basically saying "''I just tested <effect> in <game>, it's not what the page says. Can someone confirm/correct?''", where I could just answer "''Yes, I already noticed that, I'm sure you're absolutely right, and that it is <effect2> instead, but yeah, the article doesn't reflect this.''" For me ''personally'', it's kinda sad to see others basically relying on info that's outdated from my point of view, and it's also weird to give answers that basically go "I'm sooo clever, trust me, don't trust Bulbapedia." (you may or may not believe me here :P) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Showdown? I may need to apologize. When I tried to ask about it, no one apparently knew much about it and I kind of forgot/didn't think about pursuing it myself. Part of me thought you would contact whoever's working on Showdown, too. I thought you were a bit more familiar with all of that, so you would know who to go to or where to look a little faster than I would if I had to look into it. So I haven't been thinking about that myself, actually. Unless you really do know well who to go to, I guess I can try to reach out to whoevers sometime today.
:::::And are you saying that you can't answer "Yes, I already noticed that [etc]" because you would know that from Showdown? We don't restrict people's "sources" on talk pages. If you want to say, "Yup, Showdown suggests such-and-such is the real mechanic(s)", you're entirely free to make that response. We're only strict with what makes it into mainspace pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:14, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, you said you'd check it or talk to whoever, so I didn't pursue asking others when I thought you did. (And ''if'' you're really eager to get some "testament" from developers, as it seemed you kinda were, I guess you (or staff) should try to get that anyway, not me!? I wouldn't see that as a must, personally.)
::::::I did answer it like that on talk pages. But I've restrained from changing anything on mainspace pages myself. (If you wanna, I was even kinda ahead whoever asked those questions.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
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Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:If I may clarify, Tiddlywinks, please read my talk page posts with an open mind instead of accepting Yamitora's exaggerated characterization. In no way did I say any of my suggestions were "must-be"s or "can't be"s, just that their presence or absence made it ''unlikely'' that the plague was an intended influence on Yveltal. If you keep that in mind, my posts speak for themselves, and this is the last post I have any interest in making in this silly dispute. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:07, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
::The Black Death is not something I would say has or should be connected to "poison".
::I tend to lean permissive on origins (more or less precisely because of the likelihood for this sort of detailed and subjective (on both sides) arguing). So, when all's said and done, my own conclusion here comes down to just..."Eh, why not?" But I'll see if other staff have any thoughts and try to get back to you. (If I don't get back after a couple days, assume I've forgotten perhaps. And/or if you're not satisfied with my lack of conviction, feel free to consult {{bp|Staff|someone else}}.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't exaggerate anything, read the edit log for Yveltal and Pumpkinking0192's talk page and you'll see I listed the key points of the situation.

:::'''edit log for Yveltal 00:32 September 10, 2016''' ''Origin: Being the color black and themed around death does not automatically make it related to the plague outbreak nicknamed "the Black Death." It has no other connection to the plague that I'm aware of, so this really doesn't belong.)'' [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::The ascendant opinion among staff seems to be that there's little connecting Yveltal to the plague. I will defer to that, and I hope you can make peace with this. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your time, yes I can make peace with the decision. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== BW103 ==

Why did you add that trivia point back? It is pure speculation and is not sourced someone jumping out of a plane doesn't automatically mean James Bond and could just be a coincidence. The copyrighted material is James Bond he is a copyrighted character and from what I've seen before no comparisons to copyrighted materials are allowed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 07:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Once again, you have horribly misinterpreted the trivia. No where is it saying the scene is based off James Bond. It's saying that Daniel Craig was '''dressed as''' James Bond as he and the Queen parachuted during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic games. And no, it does not need rewording, the trivia is clear as clear can get.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::That still doesn't explain that it is unsourced, speculation and most likely a coincidence.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't even know what you mean by "unsourced". It's not like you need a "source" to draw a comparison. I think "speculation" isn't really a right word to describe this either. The similarities could, however, be mostly coincidence, or both paralleling an underlying trope instead of the Olympics specifically. On the other hand, the timing between the Olympics and the episode is close enough that it's not at all unreasonable to consider that that may have been the inspiration. I'll think about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently the league conferences often have parallels to the Olympics, like a torch in the first conference. In that light, I think the trivia on [[BW103]] is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Lysandre ==

Thanks for removing that trivia. I haven't seen the episode (wouldn't know where to look, actually) but the original writer's use of "explicitly" misled me to think this was something unprecedented for the anime. Thanks for setting the record straight. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Marill family and fairy type ==
C'mon, it's not that speculative; in fact, it is one of the best explanations, I've ever come across, to their fairy type and it does make sense. If you find a better explanation I'd gladly accept it, but just removing it seems really biased. {{unsigned|ExLight}}
:Can you explain to me (in full/explicit detail, not just with a link to Wikipedia) why you think it is based on the tooth fairy? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
::Sure, but first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies, it received the type mainly to spread the new type, so it doesn't really have the tooth story to support it.

::Since the mouse image is strongly related to the tooth fairy, I do believe this was the reason Marill was chosen to get it. In fact, the original tooth fairy might've been a mouse ({{wp|The Little Mouse}}, http://bit.ly/2cfgQoF), now, this one seems to be popular (I'm not really sure how much) in France. (The fact it is a French fairy tale MIGHT be important, since the Kalos Region had french influence on other Pokémon like Aromatisse and Goodra).
:: The Mouse-Tooth Fairy relationship still relevant on some hispanic countries ({{wp|Ratoncito Pérez}}). So even nowadays, representations of the fairy aren't only the 'tinkerbell' one, some of the most frequent among the uncommon are rodents, and sometimes rabbits (http://bit.ly/2cY9veZ).
:: So, that's it. I do believe this is more than enough to give a Pokémon the fairy type, some other need way less to be categorized as such, e.g., Morelull because of its foxfire (a.k.a. fairy fire) and Swirlix being a cotton candy (a.k.a. fairy floss). [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 02:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::''"first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies"''
:::I'm tempted to stop right there. That's practically the ''definition'' of speculative.
:::But long story short, you've just got ''so'' little. You mention {{p|Swirlix}}. Swirlix at least ''looks'' '''exactly''' like cotton candy. (You also mention {{p|Morelull}}, but its typing is not mentioned on its page at all.) {{p|Marill}}? Marill hardly looks like a mouse, and doesn't look like a tooth fairy, and isn't connected to teeth in any particular way. If anyone's biased here, it's you, wanting an explanation badly enough to be more certain about your theory than is really reasonable. I'll admit, you've got some interesting coincidences and you ''could'' be right... But that's about ''all'' you have: coincidences; it could easily be something else entirely, something that makes much plainer sense (if only we knew about it). You also argue they basically internally retconned Marill to justify it being Fairy; but that's ''really'' not a good assumption either (as we often say: "don't assume").
:::There's simply not enough there. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::: "Coincidences", huh. *sigh*
:::: Better than no explanation. Anyways, thanks for hearing me out. If you say so I won't disagree. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 03:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

== Pokédex 3D ==

What's wrong with the images that I am putting into [[Pokédex 3D]] that you are removing? I am not following what you are wanting that section to contain. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:Long story short: what's the point of multiple images that basically show the same thing? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::I made sure to take care of duplicates (or images that don't add much to the article, which I found two and are tagged for deletion on the archives). The PNGs I linked all have something different to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Many of them just have different Pokemon. That's hardly any difference. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::What do other people think? Could you ask around? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 05:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::What Tiddlywinks said. One image per "feature" is enough. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 14:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::OK, I reached a compromise. <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[a:Template:Unused|unused]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> was applied to applicable images ([[a:Special:ListFiles/Wildgoosespeeder|my images]]). --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 20:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

== National number ==

Hello! I'm from Poképédia, and I saw that you added the national numbers for Rowley, Litten, Popplio and Pikipek. As for now, I've only seen Rowlet's number, in a Bank Pokémon screenshot. For the other ones, is it just deduction from the regional numbers or is there a real source? [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 09:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:The others are inferred from Rowlet's number and the regional order (and the perfect space for expected starter evolutions), yes. In every game since RSE, the regional 'dex order has exactly mapped to the National 'Dex order, with the sole exception of the tail end of the Gen IV Pokemon. (For the record/ease of reference: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs starter regional numbers], [https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo/v/72391082?t=1h3m45s Pikipek regional/Melemele number].) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

::So if I understand well, it's just deduction based on the Regional numbers, but nothing really official. Alright, thank you! [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 14:34, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Fainting source ==

It was on the official [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-refresh/ Pokémon.com page] about Pokémon Refresh.
<code> Sometimes they’ll avoid attacks from opposing Pokémon—and even hold out when they’re on the verge of fainting.</code> [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:It says affectionate, not friendly or happy. Given that Refresh looks like {{pkmn|Amie}} 2.0, we'd probably best hold off on assuming Refresh's mechanics until the parallels (or divergences) are made more explicit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Orbs and seeds ==

Hi! I wanted to ask you something before I added some large-ish edits about MD since I've approached you on some before. I was thinking of adding an availability table to some MD pages like [[Wonder Orb]]s and [[Seed]]s about which games they can be found in. The item lists currently on those pages don't easily differentiate which games they are from unless you open the details of each one and see whether they can be found in those games. For example, one Orb might have only been available in Gen 3 and 4 games, while another is available in Gen 4, 5 and 6 games, and another only in Gen 5. I was thinking of adding a table like the one on [[Status ailments in Mystery Dungeon|this page]], though it doesn't solve the messy cost issue. What are your thoughts on this? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
:It's not a great solution, but if you can turn Javascript off (NoScript makes this very easy for me in Firefox), all the tables will display without you having to click each one.
:We also have a ''small'' hope of splitting all items out to individual pages sometime in the future. (It may never happen, or may never happen until Gen 8, or who knows what. These sorts of things aren't exactly discussed every day, and for now it's had a bit of support but not much in the way of momentum.) It occurs to me that if that happens, a table like you're thinking of would be more appropriate on the Orb/Seed pages.
:Since the MD games are pretty different from the core games in this respect, though (where non-Key items almost always carry forward), if you still want to, I'd say I guess it's alright? I don't think it'll be a perfect solution still, but it is a unique problem for MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== monopoly moves descriptions ==

Although I get what you're doing by removing instructions, I can't quite seize why you removed half of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bonemerang_(move)&curid=3764&diff=2512553&oldid=2512544 this one]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:I guess that part doesn't have parentheses like the others. But it looks pretty much like instructions. Are you sure you didn't miss any parentheses on that? (Likewise, do you know if you missed any part of Thunderbolt?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
::Nope, I've verified again and it's all okay. The thing about Bonemerang is that what's left on it is just... not pointless but like, it doesn't really mean or describes anything. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:29, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Following most of the rest's example then, I ''suppose'' Bonemerang's whole thing is the "description" then... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Whirlwind and Roar ==

Sorry, I screwed up there. What I wanted to make clearer initially was that it would succeed if the opponent has switched etc., which I'm pretty sure of, and neither revisions nor upc contradict. I somehow forgot that this was the Gen II section somewhere in the middle, then made everything wrong; so sorry for that! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja ==

Should Greninja count as a Pokémon that appeared in the anime before its game debut? Because the Ash-Greninja form was first introduced in the XY series prior to the Sun and Moon games. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 19:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:It basically seems the same as {{p|Zygarde}}. If Zygarde counts, {{p|Greninja}} probably does too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::That's all I needed to know, thanks. But the problem is that the Greninja page is locked and I can't add that category to it. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== sound based moves page messed up ==

I can't fix some kind of weird error that is under snore. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sound_moves [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary duo

2016-10-09T18:53:03Z

Yamitora1: /* Mortality "Duo" and Zygarde */

==Own pages==
Should these "legendary duos" get their own pages and template like the legendary trios? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 23:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

And here's something for debate: Phione & Manaphy: a duo? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 23:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:BZZT, unlike the birds, beasts, golems, and pixies, these guys have no special duo traits or stories. The birds together summon Lugia, Ho-Oh made the beasts, the golems awaken Regigigas, and the pixies were created by Arceus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::Not sure which question you're trying to answer, but if you're talking about getting their own pages:
* I think if we are going to state the similar movesets we need them to have a new template and there own pages. I think it's a good idea. :)
*Similar movesets (for some of them)
*Mewtwo/Mew has movie and relations
*Lati@s (obvious, already has a page, similar movesets)
*Lugia and Ho-Oh both resided on the towers
*Cresselia and Darkrai are polar opposites (in Mystery Dungeon and DPPt at least)
*Phione and Manaphy are in the same family, similar traits, similar movesets.
[[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 23:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree with Gligar; they do need their own page.[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] ([[User talk:Green Zubat|talk]]) 20:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

== WTH WTF ON LD Pg!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ==

WTH WHO IN TERMINIA IS DELETING MY SEAFAIRYDUO SECTION! I DEMAND AN ANSWER! '''NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!''' [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 00:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:As I said, do you have proof as them both being a duo? Phione is merely an offspring and a sort of "servant" to Manaphy~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Sorry. I didn't see your comment on the trio page.[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oh no it's fine, don't apologize~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How about we make a speculation duo heading then: Speculation Trios? It would make a good idea, plus anyone who wanted could put up their speculation? I need at least 4 people backing me up on this before I'm gonna make this, and if anyone makes it before I have the 4+ 'votes', I'm gonna delete it like Pokemaniac102 did to my section. Just sign, and I'll consider it a 'vote'.
:Oo, sorry but Bulbapedia rule is '''NO SPECULATION'''~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, sorry. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

There should be one under each section like there is on the trio pages. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 20:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== Tower Mix-Up? ==

I thought I had better check first, but I think there has been a mix-up regarding the Tin Tower and the Brass Tower. It says that Lugia perched at the top of the Tin Tower, and Ho-oh on the Brass Tower. Shouldn't that be the other way round? Ho-oh is found at the Tin Tower in Gold and Silver. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:True.. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== SeaFairy duo ==

If Mew and Mewtwo are a duo, Manaphy and Phione are also!
Mewtwo is the unnaturaly created stronger version of Mew
Phione is the naturaly created (bred) weaker version of Manaphy.
The first are both Psychic the latter are both Water... There is no logic saying one are a duo and the other 2 are not.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 12:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Mew, a duo? ==

It is a bit of an stretch, the only relation they have is flavor text: They lack similar stat distributions or even stat totals and they have different movesets and learning levels. When they were made, they were not paired like the other 3 duos, and rather worked like two related but standalone Pokemon. You can see it in gen II, when they diverge, and Mewtwo inspires Lugia and Ho-Oh, while Mew inspires Celebi (and the future event Pokemon).

Yeah, Mewtwo and Mew are related, but it is not the same relation that the other 3 examples have. In fact, Mewtwo, apart of flavor text, has more things with common with the Tower Duo that with Mew; with whom it only has in common Flavor text.

So, this is at least worth of a mention in the article. An article, I have to say, way less solid that the Legendary trio one, and based quite a bit more that it in fan theories. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

Should we make separate pages for each duo/trio/group?[[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 04:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Lunar Duo ==

I noticed that of the true duos, only the Lunar Duo has one pokemon that is in the game and one from an event. Is that worth noting on the page, or no? It seemed a tad too trivial for me to do it without asking. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] ([[User talk:PowerPlantRaichu|talk]]) 11:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:What about Cresselia/Darkrai and Mew/Mewtwo? Really, based on our listing, the Tower Duo is the only duo that ''does'' have them both readily available in the same game. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

==Title change?==

Perhaps it would be better to call them symmetric and asymmetric duos, instead of "true" and "other"? It just seems to play down the associations between some of them otherwise.[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] ([[User talk:Green Zubat|talk]]) 20:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
:I like this idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:43, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Mew TRIO ==

We should change the [[Mew duo]] to the Mew Trio because of "New Mewtwo". [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 20:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:NO. That is speculation. Seeing as the Pokémon has no known name currently, it is better to wait rather than speculate and make assumptions from an image. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't realize. I've learned to wait for more info to be released. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 01:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mortality Duo ==

I added the Mortality Duo Xerneas and Yveltal to the page. If I understand this duo and Trio system, they belong here until Zygarde gets a version or two of its own? Also, Mortality Duo is more of a place holder until an official fan term is adopted. Mortality comes from Xerneas giving life and Yveltal taking life.

Anyways, I have ? down for 10 of their level up moves since that was how it is on their pages. When the levels are known, please feel free to change ? to the level. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
:In that case wouldn't Life Duo be a better name since both involve life? Mortality involves death and only Yvetal deals with that. That and bonus for short word? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 03:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
::Mortality does not 100% mean death, it means both life and death, to be living while at any moment capable of dying.

:: 1. the state or condition of being subject to death; mortal character, nature, or existence.
:: 2. The relative frequency of deaths in a specific population; death rate.
:: 3. Mortal beings collectively; humanity.
:: 4. Death or destruction on a large scale, as from war, plague, or famine.
:: 5. Obsolete , death.

:: Plus, calling them the life duo doesn't make since, since only Xerneas is the life Pokémon. It would be the same as calling them the death duo, since only Yveltal is the destruction Pokémon. Like I said, Mortality Duo is the middle ground, it can mean life or death at the same time. You're either alive or dead, if your not mortal you're either dead or immortal. Also, although Xerneas gives eternal life, it still goes into a death like state as a tree for 1000 years, and Yveltal a cocoon when its life ends. With life comes death, with death comes life. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of Mortality Duo, they deserve their own article. --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 04:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
::: Apparently the Pokémon Wikia is listing them as the Life Trio and these two as the Gene Duo despite X & Y having no basis on DNA but the Cartesian system. However, it appears that most of that was written down before the games release, because they implicate that Xerneas is female and Yveltal male. Then again, its a wikia...so yeah everything has to be taken with a sea of salt. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Is there not enough evidence to suggest that Zygarde belongs with Xerneas and Yveltal to form a trio (Aura trio or something)? We included Kyurem in the Tao group before ''B2W2''. [[User:Dancing Dragonite|Dancing Dragonite]] ([[User talk:Dancing Dragonite|talk]]) 23:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Not my call, the staff seem to want to wait on that to be 100% confirmed. I added the trio to the Trio page, but it was removed, then readded but hidden until there is confirmation.
At the moment, it looks like we only have a Duo in the eyes of the staff. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:Interesting that that's how it works, and considering the naming (X, Y, Z), colour schemes, abilities, and level-up moves, it seems so obvious. But fair enough if we want the full confirmation. [[User:Dancing Dragonite|Dancing Dragonite]] ([[User talk:Dancing Dragonite|talk]]) 04:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

===Mortality Duo name===

Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but has a fan term been dubbed and/or yet? As I stated when I "named" the duo, Mortality Duo was more of a place holder until such a event arises. Its been 3 months since the games came out, so enough time seems to have passed for some name to spread through the grapevine and inter webs.

I know the "Trio" has had Life, Axis (which I disapprove of) and various others thrown at them, but what of just the Duo itself?

Also, a reminder...'''Mortality''' does not 100% mean death. Its explained above. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

== Split into Mortality Duo? What's going on? ==

The Banner at the top of the page says "The contents of this article have been suggested to be split into Mortality duo."

What the heck is that suppose to mean, who suggested that and how does that make sense? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:It means someone wants Xerneas and Yveltal to have their own page about their duo, much like the the other concrete duos and trios have. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::Oh, ok I see now. The problem is that Mortality Duo was just a place holder I came up with until the official title for the Duo was generated by the fandom. Plus there is the issue that we don't even know if they are a Duo by themselves or a Trio with Zygarde.

::Until (and even IF) "Mortality Duo" is widely accepted by the fandom, and the two are confirmed not to be a trio with Zygarde, then we could give them a article, but right not it would just be jumping the gun. Like you said, the other Duos are "Concrete" [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== Latios Moves ==

Not sure if this helps, but I have a lv 35 Latios and I took it to the Heart Scale lady and the moves she's offering to teach it are Memento, Dragon Pulse, Power Split, Telekinesis, Heal Pulse, Dragon Dance, Psywave, Heal Block, Helping Hand and Safeguard. It already knows Dragon Breath, Protect, Refresh and Luster Purge. I used some Rare candies on it, and at lv 40 it wanted to learn Zen Headbutt, It wanted to learn recover at lv 45, Psycho Shift at lv 50 and At 55 it wanted to learn Dragon Dance. So far the move list seems to be the same. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== Aura Trio? ==

Pokemon Rumble World has achievements for completing each cover legendary trio - Land-Sea-Sky Ruler for capturing the Weather Trio, Time-Space Traveller for capturing the Creation Trio, Mediator of Truth and Ideals for capturing the Tao Trio... And Aura Traveller for capturing Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde. Doesn't this show that their official name will likely be the Aura Trio, and that Zygarde is recognized to be a part of the group? --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 02:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:First point: not neccesarily. Otherwise we would have {{red link|land-sea-sky trio}}, {{red link|time-space trio}}, and {{red link|truth and ideals trio}}. Unless it says "aura trio" in-game, it's a moot point. Second point: I would certainly say that that would help bolster the case for them being a trio. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::There really isn't any official titles for any of the trios, its all subjective based on language and is typically fan generated, thus each trio can have multiple different names.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mortality "Duo" and Zygarde ==

I think it's fair to say that Zygarde is part of a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal. Obviously, it ties in with the others with the initial letter of its name. The name of the newest running anime season is "XY&Z", and Pokémon Rumble World has an achievement for catching all three, just like with all the other major legendary trios. One of its abilities is Aura Break, which no other Pokémon has, and it inverts the abilities of Xerneas and Yveltal.

I believe we can say that it's a trio. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 01:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:It's not considered part of the trio until either the games or the anime '''explicitly''' calls them a trio, with the lore and all. Just having them being grouped does not make it an explicit confirmation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it has been explicitly stated that Ho-oh and Lugia is a duo, either. And no offense, to be honest, this doesn't make much sense. The evidence points toward them being a trio. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Both Ho-oh and Lugia resided at their respective tower, until the Brass Tower was destroyed. There's your lore about those two. Look at it this way. We didn't have Giratina be part of the Dragon Trio '''until''' Platinum was released and its connection to the other two were revealed. We didn't have KYurem as part of the Tao trio '''until''' B2W2 was released and it's connection to Reshiram and Kyurem were revealed. We're basically doing the same thing here.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, ok, makes a bit more sense. I still maintain that they are a trio given the evidence connecting the three together like the other trios, but I see your reasoning now.--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Edit: What happens if there is no more lore connecting the Mortality Duo to Zygarde? Say, in five years? Official media has recognized it as a trio, but if there isn't anymore would it still not be a trio? Another, not as related thing. Why does the Mortality Duo not have its own page?--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't expand and reveal the trio's connection, then nothing happens. Zygarde will be split from the group for as long as there is no connection between the three. As for why the duo does not have the page, because no one has started one on their userpage.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was planning on making it by Novermber if any lore in SuMo is about Zygarde being connected to the two, but I'll make the page for now and wait if it will have to be changed.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]09:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I believe some official sources have mentioned that 100% Zygarde is more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal. Typically that should be the icing on the cake, however from past experience, the staff is generally stubborn and each has their own opinion when it comes to what qualifies as concrete proof of the internal structures of duos and trios. There is a lot of red tape and personal preference involved on here, some of it quite asinine but there is no way to change it and it does serve a purpose at the end of the day.

So a word of advice if you really feel strongly about the subject. Do you research, don't give up and come up with a strong argument. Because you'll face three counter arguments "Anime" "Game" "Official Media" It's one big Brock, paper Scizor contest when it comes to debating this topic. Like I said, I know from personal experience on a few separate occasions when it comes to the bureaucracy of Duos and Trios. I will say that the hierarchy of it mostly comes down to Official Media > Game > Anime. You'll have to mostly rely on Official Media with the Games backing you up, since the anime mostly only serves to keep Lugia on its throne since the whole concept of Trio masters is the weakest with it. I sometimes feel the only thing keeping Lugia in its title is popularity and its grandfathered into its status. Good luck [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:If this is addressed towards me, then thanks! I'm going to do my best to find as much info as I can, because this is the one thing on Bulbapedia I feel strongly about. What do you mean by official media? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 12:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
::Official media is like the official website, guides and other stuff like that [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:53, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, could you please delete my userpage ? I'd like to get rid of it. Same for the subpage. Thanks ! -- [[User:Braviapert|Bravia]][[User talk:Braviapert|per]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|t]] 14:50, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Turtonator ==
It pains me that this is not a part of their page already, and I cannot edit their page as of yet, so could you edit it to note that given it's domed, spiked head and beak, it seems to be based on a kappa" {{unsigned|GMario3826}}
:I am still reviewing some of the new Pokemon and their origins. Hopefully everything needed will be added over time. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:45, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

==Gardevoir==
C'mon
I want some really good explanation. Did you even read what I wrote? [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 00:27, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:Firstly, please do not come to my page rudely demanding answers. If you want to discuss something, you could at least ask politely. But regarding your Guenevere edits. What connects Gardevoir to Guenevere? The story of Lancelot and Guenevere, or indeed King Arthur's entire story, is a very detailed and varied legend. Saying Gardevoir is based on Guenevere simply because its Japanese name has 'knight' in it and some superficial sound similarities is a weak suggestion at best. There's a lot more to Guenevere than that, such as her queenly nature and forbidden romance with Lancelot. There's also other woman in Arthurian legend, Morgan, Morgause, Elaine, Nimue, to name a few. It also completely bypasses the fact the Gardevoir is not a 100% female species. They can be male. There really wasn't much added in edit besides that. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:33, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
::Sorry 'bout being rude, wasn't my intention. I just got really frustrated, didn't mean to be disrespectful.
::I do want to have a polite discussion about it.

::So; about Gardevoir and Guinevere. Firstly, I'd like to begin with Guinevere's Welsh original name and its meaning; Gwenhwyfar, " which seems to be cognate with the Irish name Findabair, can be translated as "The White Enchantress" or "The White Fay/Ghost", from Proto-Celtic *Uindo- "white, fair, holy" + *seibara "magical being" (...)". Just this small definition already explains part of Gardevoir's design and typing (Including the retconned Fairy-type). And yes, their names have phonetical similarities.
::Now, about the story, I'd like to remind us that we do have a Lancelot/Gallahad pokémon counterpart, this one being Gallade, reforcing the ideia that Gardevoir is related to this especific Arthurian Legend and characters. And since you talked about its gender, this one is really interesting; because in my edit, I did add "Gardevoir resembles a theatre {{wp|actor}}" because of it. As known, Gardevoir and its family are related to performatic art; in this case, Gardevoir is a principal dancer (reflecting Guinevere's importance as a main character in her story) and an actor; and yea, not actress. This is because during the Middle Ages actress on the stage weren't common; usually, the men would dress as a woman to interpret such roles.
::I'd also like to discuss about it being primarily treated as a ghost. Gadevoir may have a "ghostish" appearance, but to conclude it is a ghost seems kinda weird. It doesn't seem related to any specific kind of ghost, it doesn't have a ghost type, its description doesn't relate to ghosts, and it almost doesn't learn any ghost moves! And a ghost that would give up their life to protect their trainer? Doesn't make much sense to me. And why would it be trapped here?

::Anyway, that's it. Once again, sorry if I sounded rude. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 03:58, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:::To call Gallade a Lancelot/Gallahad counterpart to Gardevoir is kind of awkward. Lancelot, perhaps, but as Gallahad was Lancelot's illegetimate son by another woman, that's awkward. Also, the phoenetical similarities only exist in the English name, and that and the name meaning are really the only things lending any support to this theory. I strongly disagree with saying Gardevoir is based on Guenevere because of the lore surrounding both.

:::Gardevoir is a protector. It's entire story regards it foretelling the future and protecting its training. In counterpoint, it was the knights protecting Guinevere that brought about the fall of Arthur's kingdom. Also, while Guenevere's name may mean enchantress, she doesn't act as one in the stories. That 'honor' falls on other Arthurian woman. Every person in Arthurian legend has a group of stories just for them, and trying to narrow Gardevoir and Gallade down to specific characters is only going to create weak connections at best. It's better to simply say its based on a knight and leave it there.

:::As for the actor bit, it still disregards the fact that Gardevoir can be either gender. I'm well aware of how men would play women's roles in the middle ages. The problem is that its either saying its specifically based on a woman, or that its a man playing a women. It's a weak connection at best in my opinion.

:::For the ghost part, you're connecting to the type too much. Gardevoir is in the Amorphous egg group as well, suggesting a more spiritual body form. Furthermore, ghosts remain behind because they unfinished business - in this particular case the business would be protecting its Trainer. Not 'trapped' per se, but choosing to stay to guard those it loves. Now, stating ghost as its primarily origin may not be absolutely correct, but it has more connection there than to the legends surrounding Guenevere.

:::The only part that was added that I would agree with is saying that it may be based on a knight, as its Japanese name and lore are both in agreement with that. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:18, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

::::Hm, I guess that does make sense. So the Knight part is the only one addition we both seem to agree completely.
::::I won't keep pressing on this, but still, couldn't it be at least considered? I mean, something like "although unlikely, Gardevoir shares a few resemblances with Guinevere"? Or about the similar sonority in their names? It does seem like something worth to point out. Just a brief mention would be enough, could even to prevent some future discussions like this with other members.
:::: Anyways. Again, thanks for hearing me out. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 05:19, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Starter abilities ==

Hi, I wasn't sure why my edits got reverted? I figured I should ask you before adding the trivia on Panpour and Simipour's pages too... It ''is'' factual that those elemental monkey Pokémon are the only evolution lines who can have abilities that are otherwise exclusive to starters, and I think that's significant. I was very careful with my wording - I even said "can", being mindful that the abilities are hidden ones for them - so I'm not really sure what I was doing wrong with that? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 16:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:True doesn't necessarily mean notable. Yes, they can have these Abilities, but is it significant? Not particularly. Their purpose is to be parallel to the starters, so it kind of makes sense they would have these Abilities. Also, the fact that they are hidden abilities makes it less notable. They can have them, but lots of Pokemon have exclusive Abilities as Hidden Abilities, like Drought or Drizzle. It's also pretty obvious looking at the pages for the Abilities, so there's no need to point it out. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 16:34, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Torra from torrefy ==

I thought I should point out that Torra might also come from Torrefy.

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]
technical
Roast, scorch, or dry (a substance such as an ore, a drug, or a fuel) with heat to drive off all moisture or impurities.
‘torrefying wood loses 30% of the mass but only 10% of the energy’
Origin
Early 17th century: from French torréfier, from Latin torrefacere dry by heat, from torrere parch, scorch.

another possible but less likely origin is Torr, which is a A unit of pressure equivalent to 1 mm of mercury in a barometer and equal to 133.32 pascals. I only bring that up since a lot of people are associating litten's line with mercury in some kind of alchemy theme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:There's probably a lot of words really similar to 'Torrar' that mean something the same thing. To me, Torrar (which torra can be a form of) is the most direct and likely, so there's no need to list all of them. As for the mercury thing, it's probably better to avoid that until a less speculative connection to it is given. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 17:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::Yes I understand that, but you are listing it as coming from spanish's torrar when the webster dictionary lists Torrefy as coming from latin torrefacere which further comes from the latin word torrēre. Latin is the language modern Romance languages such as spanish evolved from. So torrēre would be the grandfather of Torra, Torrefy, Torrify and all variants within our modern languages. However, since this is the english name we are talking about, it most likely was derived from the English equivalent, Torrefy. Plus from what I am seeing, Torrar is uncommon and is more of a Synonym to Asar/Asado and Tostar. I admit I don't know spanish very well, but most of the translations I get for roast or toast don't even come close to Torrar. I can't really see them using an obscure spanish word for the localization of the Pokémon's name. and Torrefy comes out as the same in english as it does in spanish from what I am finding. So it is more plausible it comes from Torrefy or its latin ancestor Torrēre, than it comes from Torrar. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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==Making Episode PAges==

not sure if this is the write place to bring this up, but we need to decide how we want to make episode pages for this series. The new episode template defaults everything to Japanese title and airdate. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Generation Eps used as Ads on Youtube ==

should it be brought up or mentioned in the article that new episodes are also used as Ads for Youtube? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Snorlax

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'''Ash's Snorlax''' (Japanese: '''サトシのカビゴン''' ''Satoshi's Kabigon'') was the second {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} caught by [[Ash Ketchum]] in the [[Orange Archipelago|Orange Islands]].

==History==
==={{series|Original}}===
====Orange Islands====
[[File:Ash Snorlax debut.png|thumb|left|250px|Snorlax in its debut]]
[[File:Snorlax swimming.png|thumb|250px|Snorlax swimming "the blubberfly" between islands]]
During his travels in the Orange Islands in ''[[EP094|Snack Attack]]'', Ash arrived at the [[seven Grapefruit Islands]]. Here, they discovered a grapefruit orchard that was under attack by a {{p|Snorlax}} that was eating everything in sight. Once it became apparent that it was a strong swimmer, concerns arose that it would consume the islands' vegetation within days. Ash, {{an|Misty}}, {{Tracey}} and the [[Team Rocket trio]] attempted to take it down. However, Snorlax proved to be a highly defensive and very powerful battler, using Body Slam to flatten {{AP|Squirtle}}, {{AP|Bulbasaur}}, {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}} and {{TP|James|Victreebel}} easily. {{TP|Jessie|Lickitung}}'s attack resulted in Snorlax seizing the tongue and using it as a napkin, [[Misty's Goldeen]] was almost eaten, and attacks from [[Misty's Staryu]] and [[Ash's Pikachu]] were barely felt. [[Jessie]] and [[James]]'s attempts to put Snorlax to sleep (through deceit and hypnosis respectively), resulted in Snorlax sending them blasting off with a Mega Kick, but gave Ash and his friends the idea to lure {{an|Jigglypuff}} out to {{m|sing}} Snorlax to {{status|sleep}}. The plan succeeded and eventually managed to stop the Snorlax. This gave Ash and Pikachu the perfect opportunity to weaken it with {{m|Thunder}} and capture it while it was asleep.

In ''[[EP098|A Way Off Day Off]]'', Snorlax and the rest of Ash's Pokémon were sent out for lunch, and it promptly went to sleep. It woke up in time to attempt to devour the entire harvest of fruits Ash had gathered, but [[Tracey's Scyther]] warded it away. Once put to sleep by Jigglypuff, the group decided to let it sleep, and it once again awoke, devoured the entire plate of sandwiches that Tracey had prepared, and went back to sleep. Tracey noted that Snorlax was exercising far less and therefore ate far less, and Misty told Ash off for not really training it. It proved far too heavy for Team Rocket to steal, and this delayed them long enough for Ash to return and save the group.

In ''[[EP104|Bound For Trouble]]'', Snorlax made his battle debut in stopping a giant {{p|Rhydon}}. After holding an even ground with the huge Pokémon, Snorlax used Mega Punch to send Rhydon flying.

In ''[[EP107|Pokémon Food Fight!]]'', Ash mistook his Poké Balls and sent out a sleeping Snorlax instead of {{AP|Charizard}} when fighting [[Gulzar]]. However, Snorlax's Poké Ball smashed on a rock and broke. Snorlax woke up in response to {{p|Gloom}}'s attacks and crushed it, before trying to eat its flowers. Ash tried to recall Snorlax, but the Poké Ball was damaged and would not work. This forced Ash to drag Snorlax over a mountain to the nearest Pokémon Center in order to get his Poké Ball fixed. After failed attempts to drag Snorlax on rollers and luring it with a real apple, Ash dresses as an apple and made Snorlax chase him all the way to the Pokémon Center. It came to the rescue when Team Rocket held the food supply for ransom, easily defeating a super-powered Meowth and then sending Team Rocket blasting off with its newly learned Hyper Beam. It then proceeded to eat all of the food itself.

Ash kept the Snorlax on his team for the remainder of his time in the Orange Islands, but could not use it in the finals due to the fact that it would not wake up and needed to be switched with one of Ash's {{AP|Tauros}}. After the tournament was won, Ash then decided to keep his Snorlax at Professor Oak's permanently because he could no longer feed it and only called upon its power in major battles.

====Johto====
Snorlax appeared in ''[[EP145|A Farfetch'd Tale]]'', where it crowded into Ash's screen with {{AP|Kingler}}, {{AP|Tauros}} and {{AP|Muk}} to wish him luck for his next Gym battle with [[Whitney]].
[[File:Ash Snorlax Raiden Feraligatr.png|thumb|250px|Knocking Raiden's Feraligatr out of the ring]]
Ash called upon it for the [[Sumo Conference]] in ''[[EP194|Ring Masters]]'', sending his {{AP|Noctowl}} back to Oak's lab to make room. Snorlax broke the weigh-in scales, and promptly fell asleep during the opening ceremony. Its enthusiasm skyrocketed when it heard the prize: a year's supply of Pokémon food. In the first round, it defeated a {{p|Poliwrath}} with no trouble, as the Tadpole Pokémon just bounced off Snorlax's stomach and fell out of the ring. Snorlax went running for the food, but Ash managed to recall it quickly. It also defeated a {{p|Machamp}} with no trouble, putting it into the final round with [[Raiden]]'s {{p|Feraligatr}}. This time, Snorlax went on the offensive, but Feraligatr dodged and Snorlax was left teetering on the edge of the ring. It showed amazing agility, and managed to repel Feraligatr's attack by exhaling and using its stomach to press it away. It was then thrown by Feraligatr, but landed in the ring with such an impact that the stadium shook and Feraligatr lost its balance. Snorlax pushed Feraligatr out of the ring and claimed the victory, devouring the entire year's worth of food in one go before falling asleep. Ash then returned Snorlax to Oak's lab.

In ''[[EP254|Better Eight Than Never]]'', Ash surprised his friends by sending out Snorlax in his rematch with [[Clair]]. It dove under water to dodge {{p|Kingdra}}'s Hyper Beam, and then jumped out of the water to avoid {{m|Hydro Pump}}. It alternated between dodging and enduring attacks to tire Kingdra out. Once again diving underwater to avoid Hyper Beam, Snorlax knocked Kingdra out with its newly learned Ice Punch. However, this battle exhausted Snorlax, and a {{m|Dragon Breath}} from Clair's {{p|Gyarados}} {{status|paralysis|paralyzed}} it, before it was knocked out by Hyper Beam.

Snorlax was called up by Ash in ''[[EP270|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'' for use in the [[Silver Conference]]. It shook off a {{m|Fire Spin}} from Gary's {{TP|Gary|Arcanine}}, and defeated it with Hyper Beam. It then fought his {{p|Nidoqueen}}, which had already defeated {{AP|Tauros}}. However, Nidoqueen proved no match for Snorlax; despite landing an airborne {{m|Double Kick}}, her Hyper Beam was countered with Ice Punch and defeated. However, Snorlax could not keep up with {{p|Scizor}}'s speed and was knocked out by a {{m|Metal Claw}} to the face.

Snorlax then fought during Ash's following match against {{jo|Harrison}} in ''[[EP271|Playing with Fire!]]'', although it was fast asleep when sent out to fight {{p|Hypno}}. It was awoken, obviously irritated and angry by {{m|Dream Eater}} and proceeded to scare Hypno, then quickly put Hypno down with Hyper Beam. Unaffected by {{p|Steelix}}'s {{m|Wrap}} attack, it defeated Steelix in the same way. However, it could not pull off a third Hyper Beam victory against {{TP|Harrison|Houndoom}}, who reflected it back onto Snorlax with {{m|Counter}} at double strength, knocking it out in one blow.

==={{series|Advanced Generation}}===
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[[File:Ash and Snorlax.png|thumb|250px|Ash and Snorlax]]
====Hoenn====
In a special episode, Snorlax made a cameo appearance and was seen being awakened by the herd of {{AP|Tauros}}.

In ''[[AG088|The Garden of Eatin']]'', Ash saw that Oak was feeding it [[Pokéblock]]s, and tried to call on Snorlax to battle a wild Snorlax. However, Oak informed him that Snorlax needed to wait between meals before battling.

====Kanto Battle Frontier====
When Ash returned from Hoenn in ''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]'', with {{an|May}} and [[Max]], Snorlax befriended [[May's Munchlax]], and brought its power to bear against [[Team Rocket's mechas|Team Rocket's mecha]], taking it down easily.

Later, Snorlax helped Ash earn the Guts Symbol from {{FB|Arena Tycoon|Greta}} in ''[[AG149|Wheel of Frontier]]''. [[Scott]] notes that Ash picked unusual types to battle the {{type|Fighting}} specialist Greta. However, Snorlax used Protect to absorb the blows from her {{p|Hariyama}}, and then took it down with an Ice Punch. Against her {{p|Medicham}}, Protect failed and it was hit hard by {{m|Focus Punch}}, which sent it flying into Team Rocket. Once the battle was resumed, Snorlax was frozen by Ice Punch from Medicham, but used Rest to recover while Medicham smashed through the ice. It was then pummeled by a series of Focus Punches, until its fully charged Hyper Beam propelled it into the ceiling and it crushed Medicham with a powerful Body Slam, giving Ash the victory.

==={{series|Diamond & Pearl}}===
It appeared in ''[[DP182|An Old Family Blend!]]'', alongside Ash's other Pokémon. It was not in its [[Poké Ball]], like many of Ash's other Pokémon, but was found eating food from a kitchen in a restaurant. It was later used in the battle against the [[Team Rocket trio]], but it was sleeping. Ash tried to wake up Snorlax, but it merely rolled over, tipping the Team Rocket mecha over in the process.

It was then seen in ''[[DP184|Casting a Paul on Barry!]]'' where it defeated a female Trainer's {{p|Grumpig}} with a powerful Body Slam, helping Ash progress to the third round of the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]].

==={{series|Best Wishes}}===
[[File:Ash with his Pokémon.png|thumb|250px|Snorlax with Ash's other Pokémon in the group photo]]
Snorlax was reunited with Ash in ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]'', where it and the rest of Ash's Pokémon posed in a group photo with him.
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==Personality and characteristics==
[[File:Snorlax and Pikachu.png‎|thumb|250px|Snorlax showing Pikachu affection]]
Snorlax is very lazy, responding only to food or battle (and not always the latter). It is a powerhouse eater, able to consume a year's worth of food in one helping. Its hunger often overcomes common sense too, as it tried to eat both [[Misty's Goldeen]] and [[Gulzar]]'s {{p|Gloom}}, not recognizing them as Pokémon.

However, this appetite is mirrored in its unparalleled strength and fitness. It is a very strong swimmer and is deceptively agile, along with its hugely powerful physical moves. Snorlax's main advantage is its huge defensive capabilities, with very few attacks capable of inflicting damage.

Despite its laziness, Snorlax is a very affectionate Pokémon, and (when awake and focused) is very loyal to Ash. Its single-minded attitude towards food has subsided recently, shown in ''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]'' when it woke up purely because of Ash's presence. Typically, it would take a {{AP|Tauros}} stampede to wake it up in other situations at Oak's lab.

==Moves used==
{{anmov/h|normal||Ash Snorlax {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Headbutt|1=Body Slam|2=Mega Kick|3=Mega Punch}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Headbutt|1=Body Slam|2=Mega Kick|3=Mega Punch}}|image2=Ash Snorlax {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 5}}|0=Ice Punch|1=Rest|2=Hyper Beam|3=Tackle|4=Protect}}.png|caption2=Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 5}}|0=Ice Punch|1=Rest|2=Hyper Beam|3=Tackle|4=Protect}}}}
{{anmov|normal|Body Slam|EP094|Snack Attack|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Headbutt|EP094|Snack Attack|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Mega Kick|EP094|Snack Attack}}
{{anmov|normal|Mega Punch|EP104|Bound For Trouble}}
{{anmov|normal|Hyper Beam|EP107|Pokémon Food Fight!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|ice|Ice Punch|EP254|Better Eight Than Never|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Tackle|AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime}}
{{anmov|normal|Protect|AG149|Wheel of Frontier|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|psychic|Rest|AG149|Wheel of Frontier|rec=yes}}
{{anmov/f|normal}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Ash Snorlax AP.png|thumb|250px|Ash's Snorlax in Ash & Pikachu]]
===In the Ash & Pikachu manga===
Snorlax first appeared in ''[[SP16|One Half Of A Poké Ball]]'' as a Pokémon shown on the scoreboard. It made its full appearance in ''[[SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!]]'' fighting {{FB|Arena Tycoon|Greta}}'s {{p|Medicham}}.

====Moves used====
{{anmov/h|normal||Ash Snorlax {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 5}}|0=Protect|1=Hyper Beam|2=Ice Punch|3=Rest|4=Body Slam}} AP.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 5}}|0=Protect|1=Hyper Beam|2=Ice Punch|3=Rest|4=Body Slam}}}}
{{anmov|normal|Protect|SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!}}
{{anmov|normal|Hyper Beam|SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!}}
{{anmov|ice|Ice Punch|SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!}}
{{anmov|psychic|Rest|SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!}}
{{anmov|normal|Body Slam|SP34|An Awesome Showdown!!}}
{{anmov/f|normal}}

===In The Electric Tale of Pikachu manga===
[[File:Ash Snorlax EToP.png|250px|thumb|Ash's Snorlax in The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]
[[Ash Ketchum (EToP)|Ash]]'s Snorlax appears in [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]'s chapter ''[[ET15|Attack of the Demon Stomach]]''. Like in the anime, it was eating all the fruits from the seven Grapefruit Islands. As the workers tried to save as many fruits as possible, Ash tried to battle Snorlax with {{AP|Bulbasaur}} and {{AP|Pikachu}}, but with no results. When Ash tried to save a grapefruit from being eaten by Snorlax, he almost got eaten himself, only to be saved by Bulbasaur's {{m|Vine Whip}}. Once Snorlax had finished with one island, it made an enormous leap to another island. After Ash and {{an|Ruby}}'s many failed attempts to put Snorlax asleep, {{an|Jigglypuff}} appeared, and Ash made it {{m|sing}}, causing Snorlax to finally fall asleep. As Snorlax was sleeping, Ash was able to catch it with a Poké Ball.

Snorlax later made a brief appearance in ''[[ET16|You Bet Your Wife]]'', where Ash sent it out amongst his other Pokémon during his dance match with [[Rudy]]. However, all Snorlax did was sleep. Snorlax wasn't seen in the manga after this chapter.
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==Trivia==
* In ''[[EP107|Pokémon Food Fight!]]'', Misty says, "That is if you can ever get ''him'' to wake up", but only in the dub. Another instance of gender confirmation in the dub was in ''[[EP271|Playing with Fire!]]'', when Professor Oak says "Snorlax's Hyper Beam was sent back to ''him'' at double the power."
* Snorlax's Poké Ball is the only one of Ash's to break.
* Snorlax has attempted to eat other trainer's Pokémon on several occasions.
**Before its capture, it tried to eat [[Misty's Goldeen]] in ''[[EP094|Snack Attack]]''.
**After being accidently sent out into battle and waking up, it attempted to eat [[Gulzar]]'s [[Gloom]] in ''[[EP107|Pokémon Food Fight!]]''.

==Related articles==
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Pokémon Bank

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|name=Pokémon Bank
|logo=[[File:Pokémon Bank logo.png|150px]]
|caption=The logo of Pokémon Bank.
|provider=[[Nintendo]]
|launched=December 25, 2013 (initial launch) January 22, 2014 (second launch)<ref name=Nintendo of America Twitter>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/425815499956445184 Nintendo of America Twitter]</ref> (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong)<ref name=pokemoncojp>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/system/06.html Pokémon.co.jp]</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.kr/PR/press_list.php?cPage1=1&cPage2=1&idx=100&press_div=P 포켓몬 뱅크 Pokémon Bank] (Korean - Korea)</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.tw/pressrelease/3ds_20131004xy_12.htm 任天堂溥天股份有限公司] (Traditional Chinese - Taiwan)</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.com.hk/pressrelease/3ds_20131004xy_12.htm 任天堂(香港)有限公司網站] (Traditional Chinese - Hong Kong)</ref>

February 4, 2014 (Europe, Australia, and New Zealand)

February 5, 2014 (The Americas)


|serviceprovided=Online Pokémon storage
|accessableby=[[Nintendo 3DS]] family of systems
|externallink=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/ ex/pokemonbank/] (Japanese) [http://www.pokemonbank.com/en-us/ Pokemonbank.com/en-us/] (English)
}}
{{bulbanews|game}}
The '''Pokémon Bank''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンバンク''' ''Pokémon Bank'') is a downloadable online application for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] that is available for the {{wp|Nintendo eShop}}. It serves as a complement to the [[Pokémon Storage System]], and is compatible with [[Pokémon X and Y]] and [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. A companion application, [[Poké Transporter]], also allows for the [[Generation V]] core games {{game|Black and White|s}} and {{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}} to connect to the Pokémon Bank service as well. Updates to both applications are slated for January 2017, and will add compatiblity with [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]{{tt|*|via Pokémon Bank}} and the [[Virtual Console]] releases of {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}{{tt|*|via Poké Transporter}}<ref>https://youtu.be/80bA38AR_xE</ref>

Due to server expenses, use of the software requires the payment of an annual fee. This fee is ¥500 in Japan, $4.99 in {{pmin|the United States}}, {{tt|$6.29|plus tax}} in {{pmin|Canada}}, £4.49 in {{pmin|the United Kingdom}}, €4.99 in Europe, $6.50 in {{pmin|Australia}}, $8.50 in {{pmin|New Zealand}}, ₩5000 in {{pmin|South Korea}}, $150 in {{pmin|Greater China|Taiwan}}, and $40 in {{pmin|Greater China|Hong Kong}}.

==Usage==
===Pokémon storage===
[[File:XY Prerelease Pokémon Bank box.png|thumb|Pokémon Bank being used in a copy of Pokémon X]]
Pokémon Bank allows [[Player character|player]]s to store up to 3000 Pokémon from the games in an online cloud. This storage is similar to the [[Pokémon Storage System]] provided by [[PC]]s and has 100 Boxes capable of carrying 30 Pokémon each. Boxes can also be assigned to one of 10 groups with customizable names. Pokémon Bank also features extensive search options and filters. Pokémon in Generation VI games can be transferred to the service individually or by group selection.

====Poké Transporter====
{{main|Poké Transporter}}
Poké Transporter allows the transfer of Pokémon from [[Generation V]] games to Pokémon Bank and can be downloaded separately after Pokémon Bank has been downloaded.

A 101st Box in Pokémon Bank is reserved for use by Poké Transporter. Within Pokémon Bank, this Box can only be withdrawn from.

====Rewards====
The player receives 100 [[Poké Mile]]s when Pokémon are deposited for the first time into Pokémon Bank. Additional Poké Miles are awarded for the length of time that a given Pokémon is deposited into Pokémon Bank. The amount of Poké Miles earned by the player increases if more Pokémon are deposited into Pokémon Bank.

Accumulated Poké Miles may be transferred to the currently selected game via [[Pokémon Link]] either directly as Poké Miles or as [[Battle Point]]s (at a rate of 1 Battle Point for every 10 Poké Miles). If the player chooses not to transfer their Poké Miles, they will simply continue to accumulate.

====Restrictions====
{{incomplete|section|Any/all other incompatible moves or Pokemon? Including any that may only be restricted from being deposited in a given game}}
Pokémon that are holding [[Berry|Berries]] or other [[item]]s cannot be deposited into Pokémon Bank. If the player attempts to deposit Pokémon that are holding Berries or other items, the items will be removed and sent to the player's Bag. If the Bag is full, the item will disappear.

[[:Category:Pokémon that evolve through trading|Pokémon that]] [[evolution|evolve]] via [[trade|trading]] will not evolve when deposited in or withdrawn from Pokémon Bank.

[[Cosplay Pikachu]], Black {{p|Kyurem}}, and White Kyurem cannot be deposited in Pokémon Bank.

===Connectivity===
Any number of physical or digital copies of Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire can be used in conjunction with Pokémon Bank. Pokémon Bank can be utilized at any point after the player obtains the [[Pokédex]] in Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, or Alpha Sapphire. The service cannot be used if a new game has not been started.

The Pokémon Bank account that a Nintendo 3DS system accesses depends on the system's [[Nintendo Network]] ID, which can only belong to one Nintendo 3DS system at a time. There is no way to transfer Pokémon directly between Pokémon Banks belonging to different Nintendo Network IDs.

While Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire are region-locked and cannot be played if their region does not match the region of the Nintendo 3DS they are inserted in, Pokémon Bank is still able to communicate with these games regardless of their region. Nintendo does not make any guarantee for the performance of software or systems in the Nintendo 3DS family when used outside of their intended regions, however.

When Pokémon Bank (along with Poké Transporter) is downloaded, any restrictions on the Nintendo 3DS system for Shopping Services need to be removed within the Parental Controls before Pokémon Bank can be utilized. Any restrictions set in place pertaining to usage of the Nintendo 3DS's Internet browser also require removal each time that the Pokémon Bank software is used.

===Passes===
{{incomplete|section|How long before Pokemon vanish?}}
While downloading the Pokémon Bank application is free, usage of its services requires the purchase of a pass. A pass lasts for 365 days from purchase. If a previous pass has not expired when a new pass is purchased, the number of remaining days from the old pass is added to the new pass. Pokémon Bank will prompt the player to purchase a new pass when the current pass is within 14 days of expiring.

After a pass expires, Pokémon in Pokémon Bank are preserved for a period of time, but eventually they will be lost entirely if a new pass is not purchased. It is possible to connect to Pokémon Bank and withdraw any stored Pokémon without purchasing a new pass.

==Event Pokémon==
{{main|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI}}
===Celebi===
{{bulbanews|Nintendo Direct announces Celebi distribution}}
If the player accessed Pokémon Bank before September 30, 2014, they could receive a special event {{p|Celebi}}. This Celebi knew {{m|Hold Back}}, an event-exclusive move similar to {{m|False Swipe}}.
{{G6event/head
|ball=Luxury
|pokemon=Celebi
|level=10
|ndex=251
|type=Psychic
|type2=Grass
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Natural Cure
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Heal Bell|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Safeguard|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Hold Back|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical|move4rel=yes
}}
{{G6event/entry|xy|Pokémon Link|Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese|Pokémon Bank|December 25, 2013 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/entry|xy|Pokémon Link|PAL|Pokémon Bank|February 4 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xy|Pokémon Link|American|Pokémon Bank|February 5 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

===Hidden Ability Johto Starters===
{{bulbanews|Hidden Ability Johto starters to be distributed by Pokémon Bank}}
[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/present/?a001=news These] Pokémon [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/bank-on-three-awesome-pokemon/ were] [http://bank.pokemonkorea.co.kr/gift.asp available] to players who access Pokémon Bank from February 27 to November 30, 2015. These Pokémon could then be transferred to [[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X, Y]], [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire]] using the [[Pokémon Link]] option. This marked the first time the [[Johto]] {{pkmn2|Starter}} families had legitimate access to their [[Ability|Hidden Abilities]].

====Meganium====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=2
|level=50
|ndex=154
|type=Grass
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Leaf Guard
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Solar Beam|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Synthesis|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Status
|move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|February 27 to November 30, 2015}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

====Typhlosion====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=2
|level=50
|ndex=157
|type=Fire
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Flash Fire
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|February 27 to November 30, 2015}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

====Feraligatr====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=2
|level=50
|ndex=160
|type=Water
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Sheer Force
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Ice Punch|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Waterfall|move3type=Water|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|February 27 to November 30, 2015}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

===Hidden Ability Legendary titans===
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Bank to Distribute Hidden Ability Legendary Golems}}
[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/present2/ These] [[Legendary titans]] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/deposit-three-solid-pokemon-with-pokemon-bank/ were] [http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-news/deposit-three-solid-pokemon-with-pokemon-bank/ available] [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/?inc=news-news_view&IDX=10608 to] players who accessed Pokémon Bank from March 4 to October 31, 2016. They all have their Hidden [[Ability]] and may be transferred to [[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X, Y]], [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire]] via [[Pokémon Link]].

====Regirock====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Regirock
|level=50
|ndex=377
|type=Rock
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Sturdy
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Explosion|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Ice Punch|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hammer Arm|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|March 4 to October 31, 2016}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

====Regice====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Regice
|level=50
|ndex=378
|type=Ice
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Ice Body
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Amnesia|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hail|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Status
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|March 4 to October 31, 2016}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

====Registeel====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Registeel
|level=50
|ndex=379
|type=Steel
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Light Metal
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Iron Head|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Gravity|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Iron Defense|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Status
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|March 4 to October 31, 2016}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

==Server issues==
{{bulbanews/2|Pokémon Bank unavailable until further notice for Asia, Europe, Australia, Americas|Gotta Meme 'em All: Pokémon Bank Delay}}
On December 25, 2013, Pokémon Bank and the Poké Transporter were both released in Japan, South Korea, and other Asian territories. Due to high volumes of traffic throughout the Nintendo Network caused by a large volume of [[Nintendo Network]] IDs being created,<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/statuses/415959724043956224 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref> the [[Nintendo eShop]] was temporarily inaccessible.<ref>[http://kotaku.com/nintendo-online-services-broken-now-continuing-christm-1489822952 Kotaku - Nintendo's Online Services Broken Now, Continuing Christmas Malfunctions]</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/information/2013/1226.html Nintendo of Japan ~ "ニンテンドーeショップの接続障害に伴う『ポケモンバンク』の一時配信停止のお知らせ"]</ref> When the Nintendo eShop was accessible again on December 29, 2013,<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/417346368340885504 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref> Pokémon Bank was removed from the Nintendo eShop (although players who had previously downloaded Pokémon Bank could still download Poké Transporter, which can only be downloaded through Pokémon Bank).{{fact}} In addition, the release of Pokémon Bank and Poké Transporter for the Americas, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand—originally set to be December 27, 2013—was delayed due to the aforementioned issues.<ref>[https://archive.today/922EE Pokémon Bank Announcement | Nintendo 3DS Family | Nintendo Support] (archive)</ref>

On January 21, 2014, Pokémon Bank was re-released in Japan, South Korea, and other Asian territories.<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/425815499956445184 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref>

The service was launched in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand on February 4, 2014. <ref>https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/430673592527769600</ref>

The service was launched in the Americas on February 5, 2014.

==Gallery==
<gallery>
CoroCoro_January_2014_p63.jpg|Interacting with [[Brigette]] in Pokémon Bank
Pokémon Bank JP logo.png|Japanese logo
</gallery>

==Trailers==
===English===
{{youtubevid|Erq4R41AmVU|Pokemon|grass|silver}}

==Trivia==
* Pokémon Bank's services are maintained by [[Brigette]], who was previously the host of [[Pokémon Box Ruby and Sapphire]].
* [[:Category:Pokémon that evolve by friendship|Pokémon that]] evolve via [[friendship]] will be restricted from evolving in any game that is not the original game [[List of glitches in Generation VI#Friendship Evolution glitch|due to a glitch]].

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{grass color}}|bordercolor={{silver color}}
|zh_yue=寶可夢虛擬銀行 ''{{tt|Pokémon Hēuiyíh Ngàhnhòhng|Pokémon Virtual Bank}}''
|zh_cmn=寶可夢虛擬銀行 / 宝可梦虚拟银行 ''{{tt|Pokémon Xūn'ǐ Yínháng|Pokémon Virtual Bank}}''
|fr=Banque Pokémon
|de=Pokémon Bank
|it=Banca Pokémon
|ko=포켓몬 뱅크 ''Pokémon Bank''
|ru=Банк Покемонов{{tt|*|not realesed with this name but refered to as such on the official website}} ''Bank Pokemonov''
|es=Banco de Pokémon
}}

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemonbank.com Pokémon Bank website]

==References==
<references/>

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{{Inter-gen transfer}}
{{Side series}} 
{{Project Games notice|game mechanic}}

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Pokémon Bank

2016-09-20T17:49:01Z

Yamitora1: Intro: Someone jumped the gun and rewrote the intro to sound like Sun and Moon were already out and compatible with the service. fixing this issue now.

{{NintendoService
|name=Pokémon Bank
|logo=[[File:Pokémon Bank logo.png|150px]]
|caption=The logo of Pokémon Bank.
|provider=[[Nintendo]]
|launched=December 25, 2013 (initial launch) January 22, 2014 (second launch)<ref name=Nintendo of America Twitter>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/425815499956445184 Nintendo of America Twitter]</ref> (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong)<ref name=pokemoncojp>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/system/06.html Pokémon.co.jp]</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.kr/PR/press_list.php?cPage1=1&cPage2=1&idx=100&press_div=P 포켓몬 뱅크 Pokémon Bank] (Korean - Korea)</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.tw/pressrelease/3ds_20131004xy_12.htm 任天堂溥天股份有限公司] (Traditional Chinese - Taiwan)</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.com.hk/pressrelease/3ds_20131004xy_12.htm 任天堂(香港)有限公司網站] (Traditional Chinese - Hong Kong)</ref>

February 4, 2014 (Europe, Australia, and New Zealand)

February 5, 2014 (The Americas)


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|accessableby=[[Nintendo 3DS]] family of systems
|externallink=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/ ex/pokemonbank/] (Japanese) [http://www.pokemonbank.com/en-us/ Pokemonbank.com/en-us/] (English)
}}
{{bulbanews|game}}
The '''Pokémon Bank''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンバンク''' ''Pokémon Bank'') is a downloadable online application for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] that is available for the {{wp|Nintendo eShop}}. It serves as a complement to the [[Pokémon Storage System]], and is compatible with [[Pokémon X and Y]] and [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. A companion application, [[Poké Transporter]], also allows for the [[Generation V]] core games {{game|Black and White|s}} and {{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}} to connect to the service as well.

Due to server expenses, use of the software requires the payment of an annual fee. This fee is ¥500 in Japan, $4.99 in {{pmin|the United States}}, {{tt|$6.29|plus tax}} in {{pmin|Canada}}, £4.49 in {{pmin|the United Kingdom}}, €4.99 in Europe, $6.50 in {{pmin|Australia}}, $8.50 in {{pmin|New Zealand}}, ₩5000 in {{pmin|South Korea}}, $150 in {{pmin|Greater China|Taiwan}}, and $40 in {{pmin|Greater China|Hong Kong}}.

==Usage==
===Pokémon storage===
[[File:XY Prerelease Pokémon Bank box.png|thumb|Pokémon Bank being used in a copy of Pokémon X]]
Pokémon Bank allows [[Player character|player]]s to store up to 3000 Pokémon from the games in an online cloud. This storage is similar to the [[Pokémon Storage System]] provided by [[PC]]s and has 100 Boxes capable of carrying 30 Pokémon each. Boxes can also be assigned to one of 10 groups with customizable names. Pokémon Bank also features extensive search options and filters. Pokémon in Generation VI games can be transferred to the service individually or by group selection.

====Poké Transporter====
{{main|Poké Transporter}}
Poké Transporter allows the transfer of Pokémon from [[Generation V]] games to Pokémon Bank and can be downloaded separately after Pokémon Bank has been downloaded.

A 101st Box in Pokémon Bank is reserved for use by Poké Transporter. Within Pokémon Bank, this Box can only be withdrawn from.

====Rewards====
The player receives 100 [[Poké Mile]]s when Pokémon are deposited for the first time into Pokémon Bank. Additional Poké Miles are awarded for the length of time that a given Pokémon is deposited into Pokémon Bank. The amount of Poké Miles earned by the player increases if more Pokémon are deposited into Pokémon Bank.

Accumulated Poké Miles may be transferred to the currently selected game via [[Pokémon Link]] either directly as Poké Miles or as [[Battle Point]]s (at a rate of 1 Battle Point for every 10 Poké Miles). If the player chooses not to transfer their Poké Miles, they will simply continue to accumulate.

====Restrictions====
{{incomplete|section|Any/all other incompatible moves or Pokemon? Including any that may only be restricted from being deposited in a given game}}
Pokémon that are holding [[Berry|Berries]] or other [[item]]s cannot be deposited into Pokémon Bank. If the player attempts to deposit Pokémon that are holding Berries or other items, the items will be removed and sent to the player's Bag. If the Bag is full, the item will disappear.

[[:Category:Pokémon that evolve through trading|Pokémon that]] [[evolution|evolve]] via [[trade|trading]] will not evolve when deposited in or withdrawn from Pokémon Bank.

[[Cosplay Pikachu]], Black {{p|Kyurem}}, and White Kyurem cannot be deposited in Pokémon Bank.

===Connectivity===
Any number of physical or digital copies of Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire can be used in conjunction with Pokémon Bank. Pokémon Bank can be utilized at any point after the player obtains the [[Pokédex]] in Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, or Alpha Sapphire. The service cannot be used if a new game has not been started.

The Pokémon Bank account that a Nintendo 3DS system accesses depends on the system's [[Nintendo Network]] ID, which can only belong to one Nintendo 3DS system at a time. There is no way to transfer Pokémon directly between Pokémon Banks belonging to different Nintendo Network IDs.

While Pokémon X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire are region-locked and cannot be played if their region does not match the region of the Nintendo 3DS they are inserted in, Pokémon Bank is still able to communicate with these games regardless of their region. Nintendo does not make any guarantee for the performance of software or systems in the Nintendo 3DS family when used outside of their intended regions, however.

When Pokémon Bank (along with Poké Transporter) is downloaded, any restrictions on the Nintendo 3DS system for Shopping Services need to be removed within the Parental Controls before Pokémon Bank can be utilized. Any restrictions set in place pertaining to usage of the Nintendo 3DS's Internet browser also require removal each time that the Pokémon Bank software is used.

===Passes===
{{incomplete|section|How long before Pokemon vanish?}}
While downloading the Pokémon Bank application is free, usage of its services requires the purchase of a pass. A pass lasts for 365 days from purchase. If a previous pass has not expired when a new pass is purchased, the number of remaining days from the old pass is added to the new pass. Pokémon Bank will prompt the player to purchase a new pass when the current pass is within 14 days of expiring.

After a pass expires, Pokémon in Pokémon Bank are preserved for a period of time, but eventually they will be lost entirely if a new pass is not purchased. It is possible to connect to Pokémon Bank and withdraw any stored Pokémon without purchasing a new pass.

==Event Pokémon==
{{main|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI}}
===Celebi===
{{bulbanews|Nintendo Direct announces Celebi distribution}}
If the player accessed Pokémon Bank before September 30, 2014, they could receive a special event {{p|Celebi}}. This Celebi knew {{m|Hold Back}}, an event-exclusive move similar to {{m|False Swipe}}.
{{G6event/head
|ball=Luxury
|pokemon=Celebi
|level=10
|ndex=251
|type=Psychic
|type2=Grass
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Natural Cure
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Heal Bell|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Safeguard|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Hold Back|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical|move4rel=yes
}}
{{G6event/entry|xy|Pokémon Link|Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese|Pokémon Bank|December 25, 2013 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/entry|xy|Pokémon Link|PAL|Pokémon Bank|February 4 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xy|Pokémon Link|American|Pokémon Bank|February 5 to September 30, 2014}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

===Hidden Ability Johto Starters===
{{bulbanews|Hidden Ability Johto starters to be distributed by Pokémon Bank}}
[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/present/?a001=news These] Pokémon [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/bank-on-three-awesome-pokemon/ were] [http://bank.pokemonkorea.co.kr/gift.asp available] to players who access Pokémon Bank from February 27 to November 30, 2015. These Pokémon could then be transferred to [[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X, Y]], [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire]] using the [[Pokémon Link]] option. This marked the first time the [[Johto]] {{pkmn2|Starter}} families had legitimate access to their [[Ability|Hidden Abilities]].

====Meganium====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=2
|level=50
|ndex=154
|type=Grass
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Leaf Guard
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Solar Beam|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Synthesis|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Status
|move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|February 27 to November 30, 2015}}
{{G6event/footer/nowc}}

====Typhlosion====
{{G6event/head
|ball=Poké
|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=2
|level=50
|ndex=157
|type=Fire
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Flash Fire
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special
}}
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====Feraligatr====
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|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
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|move1=Ice Punch|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Waterfall|move3type=Water|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
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===Hidden Ability Legendary titans===
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Bank to Distribute Hidden Ability Legendary Golems}}
[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonbank/present2/ These] [[Legendary titans]] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/deposit-three-solid-pokemon-with-pokemon-bank/ were] [http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-news/deposit-three-solid-pokemon-with-pokemon-bank/ available] [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/?inc=news-news_view&IDX=10608 to] players who accessed Pokémon Bank from March 4 to October 31, 2016. They all have their Hidden [[Ability]] and may be transferred to [[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X, Y]], [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire]] via [[Pokémon Link]].

====Regirock====
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|level=50
|ndex=377
|type=Rock
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
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|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Explosion|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Ice Punch|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hammer Arm|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}
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====Regice====
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|pokemon=Regice
|level=50
|ndex=378
|type=Ice
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Ice Body
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Amnesia|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hail|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Status
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|March 4 to October 31, 2016}}
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====Registeel====
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|pokemon=Registeel
|level=50
|ndex=379
|type=Steel
|ot=(Player's)
|id=(Player's)
|ability=Light Metal
|nature=Random
|met=Pokémon Link
|ribbon=Classic
|move1=Iron Head|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Gravity|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Iron Defense|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Status
}}
{{G6event/entrybottom|xyoras|Pokémon Link|Japanese, American, PAL, and Korean|Pokémon Bank|March 4 to October 31, 2016}}
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==Server issues==
{{bulbanews/2|Pokémon Bank unavailable until further notice for Asia, Europe, Australia, Americas|Gotta Meme 'em All: Pokémon Bank Delay}}
On December 25, 2013, Pokémon Bank and the Poké Transporter were both released in Japan, South Korea, and other Asian territories. Due to high volumes of traffic throughout the Nintendo Network caused by a large volume of [[Nintendo Network]] IDs being created,<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/statuses/415959724043956224 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref> the [[Nintendo eShop]] was temporarily inaccessible.<ref>[http://kotaku.com/nintendo-online-services-broken-now-continuing-christm-1489822952 Kotaku - Nintendo's Online Services Broken Now, Continuing Christmas Malfunctions]</ref><ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/information/2013/1226.html Nintendo of Japan ~ "ニンテンドーeショップの接続障害に伴う『ポケモンバンク』の一時配信停止のお知らせ"]</ref> When the Nintendo eShop was accessible again on December 29, 2013,<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/417346368340885504 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref> Pokémon Bank was removed from the Nintendo eShop (although players who had previously downloaded Pokémon Bank could still download Poké Transporter, which can only be downloaded through Pokémon Bank).{{fact}} In addition, the release of Pokémon Bank and Poké Transporter for the Americas, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand—originally set to be December 27, 2013—was delayed due to the aforementioned issues.<ref>[https://archive.today/922EE Pokémon Bank Announcement | Nintendo 3DS Family | Nintendo Support] (archive)</ref>

On January 21, 2014, Pokémon Bank was re-released in Japan, South Korea, and other Asian territories.<ref>[https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/425815499956445184 Twitter / NintendoAmerica]</ref>

The service was launched in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand on February 4, 2014. <ref>https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/430673592527769600</ref>

The service was launched in the Americas on February 5, 2014.

==Gallery==
<gallery>
CoroCoro_January_2014_p63.jpg|Interacting with [[Brigette]] in Pokémon Bank
Pokémon Bank JP logo.png|Japanese logo
</gallery>

==Trailers==
===English===
{{youtubevid|Erq4R41AmVU|Pokemon|grass|silver}}

==Trivia==
* Pokémon Bank's services are maintained by [[Brigette]], who was previously the host of [[Pokémon Box Ruby and Sapphire]].
* [[:Category:Pokémon that evolve by friendship|Pokémon that]] evolve via [[friendship]] will be restricted from evolving in any game that is not the original game [[List of glitches in Generation VI#Friendship Evolution glitch|due to a glitch]].

==In other languages==
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|zh_yue=寶可夢虛擬銀行 ''{{tt|Pokémon Hēuiyíh Ngàhnhòhng|Pokémon Virtual Bank}}''
|zh_cmn=寶可夢虛擬銀行 / 宝可梦虚拟银行 ''{{tt|Pokémon Xūn'ǐ Yínháng|Pokémon Virtual Bank}}''
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|ko=포켓몬 뱅크 ''Pokémon Bank''
|ru=Банк Покемонов{{tt|*|not realesed with this name but refered to as such on the official website}} ''Bank Pokemonov''
|es=Banco de Pokémon
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==External links==
* [http://www.pokemonbank.com Pokémon Bank website]

==References==
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User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-09-14T05:20:04Z

Yamitora1: /* yveltal and the black death dispute */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:If I may clarify, Tiddlywinks, please read my talk page posts with an open mind instead of accepting Yamitora's exaggerated characterization. In no way did I say any of my suggestions were "must-be"s or "can't be"s, just that their presence or absence made it ''unlikely'' that the plague was an intended influence on Yveltal. If you keep that in mind, my posts speak for themselves, and this is the last post I have any interest in making in this silly dispute. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:07, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
::The Black Death is not something I would say has or should be connected to "poison".
::I tend to lean permissive on origins (more or less precisely because of the likelihood for this sort of detailed and subjective (on both sides) arguing). So, when all's said and done, my own conclusion here comes down to just..."Eh, why not?" But I'll see if other staff have any thoughts and try to get back to you. (If I don't get back after a couple days, assume I've forgotten perhaps. And/or if you're not satisfied with my lack of conviction, feel free to consult {{bp|Staff|someone else}}.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't exaggerate anything, read the edit log for Yveltal and Pumpkinking0192's talk page and you'll see I listed the key points of the situation.

:::'''edit log for Yveltal 00:32 September 10, 2016''' ''Origin: Being the color black and themed around death does not automatically make it related to the plague outbreak nicknamed "the Black Death." It has no other connection to the plague that I'm aware of, so this really doesn't belong.)'' [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::The ascendant opinion among staff seems to be that there's little connecting Yveltal to the plague. I will defer to that, and I hope you can make peace with this. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your time, yes I can make peace with the decision. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== BW103 ==

Why did you add that trivia point back? It is pure speculation and is not sourced someone jumping out of a plane doesn't automatically mean James Bond and could just be a coincidence. The copyrighted material is James Bond he is a copyrighted character and from what I've seen before no comparisons to copyrighted materials are allowed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 07:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Once again, you have horribly misinterpreted the trivia. No where is it saying the scene is based off James Bond. It's saying that Daniel Craig was '''dressed as''' James Bond as he and the Queen parachuted during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic games. And no, it does not need rewording, the trivia is clear as clear can get.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::That still doesn't explain that it is unsourced, speculation and most likely a coincidence.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't even know what you mean by "unsourced". It's not like you need a "source" to draw a comparison. I think "speculation" isn't really a right word to describe this either. The similarities could, however, be mostly coincidence, or both paralleling an underlying trope instead of the Olympics specifically. On the other hand, the timing between the Olympics and the episode is close enough that it's not at all unreasonable to consider that that may have been the inspiration. I'll think about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently the league conferences often have parallels to the Olympics, like a torch in the first conference. In that light, I think the trivia on [[BW103]] is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-09-13T18:48:43Z

Yamitora1: /* yveltal and the black death dispute */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:If I may clarify, Tiddlywinks, please read my talk page posts with an open mind instead of accepting Yamitora's exaggerated characterization. In no way did I say any of my suggestions were "must-be"s or "can't be"s, just that their presence or absence made it ''unlikely'' that the plague was an intended influence on Yveltal. If you keep that in mind, my posts speak for themselves, and this is the last post I have any interest in making in this silly dispute. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:07, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
::The Black Death is not something I would say has or should be connected to "poison".
::I tend to lean permissive on origins (more or less precisely because of the likelihood for this sort of detailed and subjective (on both sides) arguing). So, when all's said and done, my own conclusion here comes down to just..."Eh, why not?" But I'll see if other staff have any thoughts and try to get back to you. (If I don't get back after a couple days, assume I've forgotten perhaps. And/or if you're not satisfied with my lack of conviction, feel free to consult {{bp|Staff|someone else}}.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't exaggerate anything, read the edit log for Yveltal and Pumpkinking0192's talk page and you'll see I listed the key points of the situation.

:::'''edit log for Yveltal 00:32 September 10, 2016''' ''Origin: Being the color black and themed around death does not automatically make it related to the plague outbreak nicknamed "the Black Death." It has no other connection to the plague that I'm aware of, so this really doesn't belong.)'' [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== BW103 ==

Why did you add that trivia point back? It is pure speculation and is not sourced someone jumping out of a plane doesn't automatically mean James Bond and could just be a coincidence. The copyrighted material is James Bond he is a copyrighted character and from what I've seen before no comparisons to copyrighted materials are allowed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 07:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Once again, you have horribly misinterpreted the trivia. No where is it saying the scene is based off James Bond. It's saying that Daniel Craig was '''dressed as''' James Bond as he and the Queen parachuted during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic games. And no, it does not need rewording, the trivia is clear as clear can get.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::That still doesn't explain that it is unsourced, speculation and most likely a coincidence.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't even know what you mean by "unsourced". It's not like you need a "source" to draw a comparison. I think "speculation" isn't really a right word to describe this either. The similarities could, however, be mostly coincidence, or both paralleling an underlying trope instead of the Olympics specifically. On the other hand, the timing between the Olympics and the episode is close enough that it's not at all unreasonable to consider that that may have been the inspiration. I'll think about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-09-12T07:31:28Z

Yamitora1: /* yveltal and the black death dispute */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
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Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)