Bulbapedia - User contributions [en]

Talk:Pokémon movie

2009-07-18T19:25:21Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* DVD info */ new section

== Movie 11? ==
Sould we add something about the 11th Pokémon movie on to the page? Wikipedia already has an article about it and they also have a picture of {{p|Regigigas}} tearing up the ground --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:I guess something about the movie should be added to this article. Given how little information there is, however, I'm wary about starting an article for it already. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

What about this movie? Why isn't it mentioned? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 15:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:TV special in Japan, direct to video (VHS and DVD) in America.

:Additionally, Mewtwo Returns is mentioned under the "Long specials" heading. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yep. MR is more comparable to LOT than it is to MSB. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Posters==
Shouldn't the American ones be here? This is an ''english'' wiki. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 22:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:Do American posters even exist? The movies don't air in cinemas outside Japan these days. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe DVD boxart instead? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== Canon, canon, canon... ==

Why the heck would they not be canon? Right there, it says that several have been referenced. It's like saying May's Venusaur could still be a guy because we don't know if the seed in the flower could mean it's a dude in the anime. Has every past episode been referenced? No. Some have been outright IGNORED. Does that mean ''those'' didn't happen, either? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:With movie 8 blatently having an effect on the main protagonist that carries over into the series, I really don't see how people can argue that they aren't canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's likely because there are no new captures which happen in the movies. It's like, do people think they would ever do that? Have one episode where Ash is like "OKAY CHIMCHAR, TIME TO GO!" and then the next, it's suddenly a Monferno. The movies aren't free, the show's on TV... which is kinda free. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:::So, what's our ruling here? Should we mention that some fans consider the movies to be non-canon because they're hardly mentioned in the show, but not say outright that they aren't? Should we say "the movies ''are'' canon, you idiots!" and blow the whole section? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I somewhat agree. I'd say that they are canon. Also, about your statement about how they can't have movie references in the anime due to the movies "Not being free", it doesn't exactly explain how Aura was carried over from the 8th movie into the anime, how Ash recognized Lucario, Ash and James referencing the Orange Islands Lugia, The Space-Time Tower's cameo, the scenes from the first movie being incorporated into the anime, Drew's hometown, the Deoxys special reference, and all that. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::References like Aura are different from a Pokémon evolving. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Movie 12 ==

There is supposed to be a preview of movie 12 next week it shows a preveiw here [http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOwAwPDQTk&feature=user] wait till the end it says the went to some anceint ruins possibly greece? seems like the perfect place for arceus considering the appearance of the spear pillar[[User:Tsg812|Tsg812]]''' 15:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

:I considered Arceus in that movie possibly, but now is a fact. However, we still have to wait official sources --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 03:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)}

:: Should we create this page now? Something like "Pikachu Project 2009", the 11th movie article was created in August, now we are in October and I think that we have enough information... --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 23:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::TTE said to wait until at least Thursday.--[[User:CoolPikachu!/Platinum|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::: Uh, ok... but... why the Thursday? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 23:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::A new episode of Pokémon premieres every thursday, like in America it premieres in English on Cartoon network every Saturday~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Not sure I'll tell him later on AIM.--[[User:CoolPikachu!/Platinum|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Yes, I know that, but this Thurday we won't have new episode. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The official web has been updated with the new movie... I think it's time --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 15:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's probably still a little early for the article but I added what we know to this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== No Bias Please! ==

Isn't it a bit biassed to say that the movies have recently increased in quality? I thought this was supposed to be an encyclopedia! (Anyway, I thought Pokémon Heroes was much better than The Rise of Darkrai! Taromon 777

== Prev next ==

Wouldn't it be easier to navigate if the movies were linked to each other, similar to the Pokemon pages? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 07:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely would be, in my opinion. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 20:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== DVD info ==

I'm not sure if this even has any importance, but since this *is* an encyclopedia of sorts... The US DVD releases of movies 4, 5, 6, and 7 are dual-layer disks, while every other movie and/or special I've seen is just SL (and I know for certain about all of them except LOT and GSW) of the. Should there perhaps be a mention of this? I'm also slightly baffled as to why this is, but that's the way it is, I guess.

Talk:Legendary beasts

2009-07-10T06:30:06Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Origins idea? */ forgot a bit of punctuation and a signatue

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
:::*Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
:::*See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
:::*Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Origins idea? ==

Not my thought- this was brought up as an anonymous post on 420chan's /po/ but was surprisingly insightful, especially with the origins of the beasts and their roles in the game compared to what they were said to be in this metaphor. I suppose I will say this in two words: Dante's Inferno. In the first Canto of the Inferno, Dante is assaulted by "a lion, a leopard, and a she-wolf" (who symbolize the sins of self indulgence, violence, and malice, respectively).

Normally I would laugh away any attempt to explain where GameFreak got the basis for a monster without them explicitly stating it, but the simultaneous appearance of a lion (Entei), leopard (Raikou), and she-wolf (Suicune) in "Inferno" seems too conspicuous to ignore. Any thoughts on this? Extended analogies from Dante to prove/disprove? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]]

Talk:Legendary beasts

2009-07-10T06:29:06Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Origins idea? */ new section

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
:::*Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
:::*See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
:::*Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Origins idea? ==

Not my thought- this was brought up as an anonymous post on 420chan's /po/ but was surprisingly insightful, especially with the origins of the beasts and their roles in the game compared to what they were said to be in this metaphor. I suppose I will say this in two words: Dante's Inferno. In the first Canto of the Inferno, Dante is assaulted by "a lion, a leopard, and a she-wolf" (who symbolize the sins of self indulgence, violence, and malice respectively).

Normally I would laugh away any attempt to explain where GameFreak got the basis for a monster without them explicitly stating it, but the simultaneous appearance of a lion (Entei), leopard (Raikou), and she-wolf (Suicune) in "Inferno" seems too conspicuous to ignore. Any thoughts on this? Extended analogies from Dante to prove/disprove?

Talk:Cheating

2009-07-07T19:09:51Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* RNG Abuse as Cheating? */

== Worthy as an article on Blubapedia? ==
I HATE cheaters! Unless it's to get an Event Pokemon you can't get otherwise... then I suppose it's alright. Actually, I also use "walk anywhere" from time to time, just because it's fun. [[User: Ph34rshallriseagain]]

:We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject...
:Random subject is random? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 20:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think cheating is wrong, unless you are unable to obtain the pokemon any other way. for example, I live in Canada, and there is some sort of law preventing them from hosting events here. I am getting an action replay, but only to get event-only pokemon that it is physically impossible to get any other way. I even shelled out 30 bucks on a pokemon colosseum bonus disk because its less cheating than an action replay to get a Jirachi. Like my cousin said, It takes all the fun, challenge and fairness out of the game if you use it to get everything. [[User:Retasulettuce|Retasulettuce]] 02:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Lists of codes? ==
I think there should be lists of gameshark codes on Bulbapedia... I know a lot of people are 'against' codes, but I think a Wiki should strive to include all the information about the pokemon games possible, especially considering that gameshark codes are so well-known in the history of pokemon games ^^

I'm not sure how to start making pages for codes though, and how they should be laid out on a page... can anyone help out? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 11:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. But there are so many anti-cheater extremists that I think it would be impossible. Saying that you never cheated on a Pokémon game in your life is a down right lie. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 11:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, as long as we take a 'Neutral Point of View' approach, and post them for the purpose of complete information for a Pokemon wiki, I personally think it should be okay. ^^ There won't (or shouldn't) be any kind of extremist drama either way as long as there's a NPOV stance. :3 --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 12:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, No. NO Gameshark codes! We are an informitive wiki, NOT an on-line strategy guide! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Firstly, what's not informative about listing codes? Secondly, how do you explain the 'game guides' category on Bulbapedia? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Codes completely ruin the point of playing the game![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a neutral stance on things how? It'd be like someone saying a page for Scientology shouldn't be on Wikipedia because they think it's 'morally wrong'. Regardless of peoples view on it, the information should still be posted from a neutral stance. Besides, lets not forget about people who use codes to play the game a second time with a different experience, ie. having a different starting pokemon, or people who use codes to explore the games programming and such. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And all I'm getting is that you want the codes.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, someone did post them a few days ago. I erased them.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I want the codes to be listed on Bulbapedia, if that's what you mean. Isn't Bulbapedia designed to be a resource for all things Pokemon? Deleting pages of information, despite how factual and accurate it is, seems somewhat silly to me. If nothing else, I think at the very least, external links to such codes should exist. Blocking out an entire aspect of Pokemon because some users frown upon it (and, conversely, some people approve and encourage it), seems to defeat the point of having a wiki in the first place. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 20:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)\
::::::You're not getting it, are you.. cheating is frowned upon here. We are not Wikipedia. We don't have anything on cheating because we don't allow it, hence why pages on GameShark codes and the like are deleted, mainly because they are a bunch of of 'unencyclopedic' bullsh*t. If you want cheating codes, go somewhere else. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia =/= Wikipedia. Cheating is frowned upon here. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im a cheater, but i only cheat with whats given to me. so, while i may not magically create an Arceus, i may magically create an Azure Flute.... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Legitimate uses for cheats ==
I have not cheated, but thats cause I'm not smart enough to go find them. And I have no Gameshark. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 22:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, i have to say that i have a Arceus on my Diamond Game via Action Replay from a friend of mine. But that was only because i hated it that i couldn't get Event Pokémon. I'm seriously a fair player (i have completed a big part of the National Dex without cheating) [[User: Tomazzo| Tomazzo]]

:I see nothing wrong with using cheat devices to get Event Pokémon. Some people (like myself) simply can't get to those events at all, and once the event's over we have absolutely NO chance of getting that Pokémon; it's even worse when the event only takes place in ONE COUNTRY, meaning that other players have to either: Cheat, shell out ridiculous amounts of money and hope we can get there in time (if we're even lucky enough to hear about it at all...), or try to get over the fact that we'll never have it.
::There's a few other situations where I don't mind cheating, but I know others would be against them: Filling the Pokédex (I don't like having my PC Boxes stuffed with Pokémon that I would never use, and it would just be too hard for me to keep them organized), getting certain stat-raising items (I'd rather cheat and get 999 PP '''Max''' than torture myself getting PP '''Ups'''), getting all TMs (you can only find one of a certain TM (Flash Cannon, for example), but you want a lot of your Pokémon to know the move). Then there's the one that everyone would be against: Changing movesets (Yes, I'm guilty of this one... but I've never been able to play a Wi-Fi match, so my use of illegal moves has been limited to Sinnoh's Battle Tower and Pokémon Battle Revolution). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spotting Cheaters==

Would it be worth adding a "How to spot some Hacked Pokemon" section. It wouldn't be able to tell you about all Pokemon but some such as the Eevees and ther evolutions and starts and a few others - it could help those online avoid cheats [[User:Phantom|Phantom]]

I agree, in fact I only came to this page to ask how, as I often use the GTS but plan to enter the Pokémon Showdown thing, so I want to know, even if someone just posts it on my talk page that would be fine. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 21:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

::That would be really useful. Not that I can enter that Showdown, but, say, if I could and I didn't notice that that Tauros I got via the GTS came in a Cherish Ball... --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] 12:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok - I'll get working on it
:::Spoting cheaters is somewhat easy, as their Pokémon are usually at Lv.100 and are shiny and they have Pokérus too. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 17:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Spotting *bad* cheaters is usually easy to do (how many Wondertombs are seriously going to look real?), but what's to differentiate my level 100 legal shiny Latias from the five minute rush-job some kid threw together that looks similar? The fact that a PKM file check of mine clears, while his would appear as a hack right away. This sort of distinction (or lack thereof) is a reason I believe there ought to be some sort of "legal vs. legit" section on cheating here, a la <a href="http://projectpokemon.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Legality#Definition">this page</a>. At some point, there really is no way to tell if a pokémon was hacked, but common sense is your best tool, especially on GTS where you can't see a whole lot about your trade partner beforehand. Make sure the moveset, region of origin, level, place, and date met, caught ball, etc. are all fine, and then it's about as much as you can do without checking it on an external device. Of course there's legality checkers like Sabresite's Legal.exe which do exist out there, but that usually requires the use of a flashcard and pokesav program to extract the pkm file for inspection. Side note: what does Pokerus even do for you when you're making your pokémon anyways? EV training is obsolete for you by then, right? So... [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 17:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it's up to players whether they cheat or not, also shouldn't this page mention quick leveling up with rare candies? Prof. Pine 21 October 2008:

::If it's for mentioning that cheaters level up their Pokémon with Rare Candies, yes. But if it's for giving some codes... NEVER MIND!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Including Cheats? ==

As others have pointed out, it WOULD be informative. Yet, at the same time, it isn't needed for the full experience from Pokemon

Maybe a link to some common ones so that people can avoid them, or maybe a sample code (let's say a... 5 Pokeballs Cheat. After all, who in their right mind would use that?) so that one can see how a code is built? [[User:Shadowater|Icalasari]] 23:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

* I recommend describing well-known cheats, with links at the end of the article to GameFAQs cheating guides. That's sufficient to tell non-cheaters what sort of cheats are out there, while giving everyone else a way to find their own Gameshark codes. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 23:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== RNG Abuse as Cheating? ==

I find it difficult to believe that Bulbapedia has no mention of anything short of an external device as "cheating" here. At nationals just this year, I came across a guy with a team of six "legal" shinies with amazing stats that he got using an RNG abuse tactic as employed by the program "RNG Reporter" by Smogon's mingot (http://www.eggmove.com/rngreporter/)

If this merits an entirely different article, feel free to move both this discussion and my edit, but I firmly believe that this sort of tactic is just as broken as action replay or other devices, and so belongs here. Let's get some discussion on this; I talked to the guy who wrote that program himself, and Marriland apparently spot-checked these pokémon and they came out clean, but then so did a team full of from-scratch competitors from at least two of the competitors I know of, one of whom is going on to Worlds last I heard. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:By that logic using an IV calculator to find your IVs, using a guide to EV train and using Bulbapedia to find out what moves your Pokémon can learn is also cheating, pretty much. If you've never been in the fandom or read a guide and battle someone that has meticulously picked an amazing moveset with really good Pokémon, bred for IVs and ability and EV trained, you could also call that cheating when your opponent was actually just using resources to help him battle. Your opponent still had to EV train, level up etc. (and had to tap the friendship and coin toss apps a bunch too). Technically it could happen to anyone by randomly tapping their apps and doing the right steps, but he was just using a "guide". You could have too. Perhaps there could be a controversy section on the Platinum RNG page or something, but I really don't think that that qualifies as cheating.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 17:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well if that's your take on it then the Mew glitch in RBY, the GTS cloning glitch, or any other game exploit would be considered completely legitimate then? Would you not cry foul just as much when someone hit their coin toss a few hundred or more times rather than spend the time to get a real chain breeding process going? No matter how you look at it, you're taking shortcuts around how the game was meant to be played in order to gain an advantage over your opponent, which is the very definition of what cheating is, in videogame or out of them. Also spellcheck. Unrelated note: is anyone besides me seeing a lot of 503 errors here today? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 18:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, lots of 503 errors D: Anyway, this is just the opinion of one person. My definition of cheating is using an external device to modify the game data. I'll see if anyone wants to weigh in on this and put it to a vote tonight. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Sounds good to me, and yeah- this sort of thing is pretty subjective most of the time, huh? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cheating

2009-07-07T18:01:17Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* RNG Abuse as Cheating? */

Talk:Cheating

2009-07-07T17:48:49Z

TheCakeIsALie: "Spotting Cheaters" needs some clarity, since it's apparently misunderstood... Also, cleanup (made sections for discussions)

== Worthy as an article on Blubapedia? ==
I HATE cheaters! Unless it's to get an Event Pokemon you can't get otherwise... then I suppose it's alright. Actually, I also use "walk anywhere" from time to time, just because it's fun. [[User: Ph34rshallriseagain]]

:We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject...
:Random subject is random? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 20:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think cheating is wrong, unless you are unable to obtain the pokemon any other way. for example, I live in Canada, and there is some sort of law preventing them from hosting events here. I am getting an action replay, but only to get event-only pokemon that it is physically impossible to get any other way. I even shelled out 30 bucks on a pokemon colosseum bonus disk because its less cheating than an action replay to get a Jirachi. Like my cousin said, It takes all the fun, challenge and fairness out of the game if you use it to get everything. [[User:Retasulettuce|Retasulettuce]] 02:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Lists of codes? ==
I think there should be lists of gameshark codes on Bulbapedia... I know a lot of people are 'against' codes, but I think a Wiki should strive to include all the information about the pokemon games possible, especially considering that gameshark codes are so well-known in the history of pokemon games ^^

I'm not sure how to start making pages for codes though, and how they should be laid out on a page... can anyone help out? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 11:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. But there are so many anti-cheater extremists that I think it would be impossible. Saying that you never cheated on a Pokémon game in your life is a down right lie. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 11:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, as long as we take a 'Neutral Point of View' approach, and post them for the purpose of complete information for a Pokemon wiki, I personally think it should be okay. ^^ There won't (or shouldn't) be any kind of extremist drama either way as long as there's a NPOV stance. :3 --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 12:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, No. NO Gameshark codes! We are an informitive wiki, NOT an on-line strategy guide! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Firstly, what's not informative about listing codes? Secondly, how do you explain the 'game guides' category on Bulbapedia? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Codes completely ruin the point of playing the game![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a neutral stance on things how? It'd be like someone saying a page for Scientology shouldn't be on Wikipedia because they think it's 'morally wrong'. Regardless of peoples view on it, the information should still be posted from a neutral stance. Besides, lets not forget about people who use codes to play the game a second time with a different experience, ie. having a different starting pokemon, or people who use codes to explore the games programming and such. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And all I'm getting is that you want the codes.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, someone did post them a few days ago. I erased them.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I want the codes to be listed on Bulbapedia, if that's what you mean. Isn't Bulbapedia designed to be a resource for all things Pokemon? Deleting pages of information, despite how factual and accurate it is, seems somewhat silly to me. If nothing else, I think at the very least, external links to such codes should exist. Blocking out an entire aspect of Pokemon because some users frown upon it (and, conversely, some people approve and encourage it), seems to defeat the point of having a wiki in the first place. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 20:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)\
::::::You're not getting it, are you.. cheating is frowned upon here. We are not Wikipedia. We don't have anything on cheating because we don't allow it, hence why pages on GameShark codes and the like are deleted, mainly because they are a bunch of of 'unencyclopedic' bullsh*t. If you want cheating codes, go somewhere else. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia =/= Wikipedia. Cheating is frowned upon here. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im a cheater, but i only cheat with whats given to me. so, while i may not magically create an Arceus, i may magically create an Azure Flute.... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Legitimate uses for cheats ==
I have not cheated, but thats cause I'm not smart enough to go find them. And I have no Gameshark. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 22:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, i have to say that i have a Arceus on my Diamond Game via Action Replay from a friend of mine. But that was only because i hated it that i couldn't get Event Pokémon. I'm seriously a fair player (i have completed a big part of the National Dex without cheating) [[User: Tomazzo| Tomazzo]]

:I see nothing wrong with using cheat devices to get Event Pokémon. Some people (like myself) simply can't get to those events at all, and once the event's over we have absolutely NO chance of getting that Pokémon; it's even worse when the event only takes place in ONE COUNTRY, meaning that other players have to either: Cheat, shell out ridiculous amounts of money and hope we can get there in time (if we're even lucky enough to hear about it at all...), or try to get over the fact that we'll never have it.
::There's a few other situations where I don't mind cheating, but I know others would be against them: Filling the Pokédex (I don't like having my PC Boxes stuffed with Pokémon that I would never use, and it would just be too hard for me to keep them organized), getting certain stat-raising items (I'd rather cheat and get 999 PP '''Max''' than torture myself getting PP '''Ups'''), getting all TMs (you can only find one of a certain TM (Flash Cannon, for example), but you want a lot of your Pokémon to know the move). Then there's the one that everyone would be against: Changing movesets (Yes, I'm guilty of this one... but I've never been able to play a Wi-Fi match, so my use of illegal moves has been limited to Sinnoh's Battle Tower and Pokémon Battle Revolution). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spotting Cheaters==

Would it be worth adding a "How to spot some Hacked Pokemon" section. It wouldn't be able to tell you about all Pokemon but some such as the Eevees and ther evolutions and starts and a few others - it could help those online avoid cheats [[User:Phantom|Phantom]]

I agree, in fact I only came to this page to ask how, as I often use the GTS but plan to enter the Pokémon Showdown thing, so I want to know, even if someone just posts it on my talk page that would be fine. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 21:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

::That would be really useful. Not that I can enter that Showdown, but, say, if I could and I didn't notice that that Tauros I got via the GTS came in a Cherish Ball... --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] 12:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok - I'll get working on it
:::Spoting cheaters is somewhat easy, as their Pokémon are usually at Lv.100 and are shiny and they have Pokérus too. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 17:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Spotting *bad* cheaters is usually easy to do (how many Wondertombs are seriously going to look real?), but what's to differentiate my level 100 legal shiny Latias from the five minute rush-job some kid threw together that looks similar? The fact that a PKM file check of mine clears, while his would appear as a hack right away. This sort of distinction (or lack thereof) is a reason I believe there ought to be some sort of "legal vs. legit" section on cheating here, a la <a href="http://projectpokemon.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Legality#Definition">this page</a>. At some point, there really is no way to tell if a pokémon was hacked, but common sense is your best tool, especially on GTS where you can't see a whole lot about your trade partner beforehand. Make sure the moveset, region of origin, level, place, and date met, caught ball, etc. are all fine, and then it's about as much as you can do without checking it on an external device. Of course there's legality checkers like Sabresite's Legal.exe which do exist out there, but that usually requires the use of a flashcard and pokesav program to extract the pkm file for inspection. Side note: what does Pokerus even do for you when you're making your pokémon anyways? EV training is obsolete for you by then, right? So... [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 17:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it's up to players whether they cheat or not, also shouldn't this page mention quick leveling up with rare candies? Prof. Pine 21 October 2008:

::If it's for mentioning that cheaters level up their Pokémon with Rare Candies, yes. But if it's for giving some codes... NEVER MIND!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Including Cheats? ==

As others have pointed out, it WOULD be informative. Yet, at the same time, it isn't needed for the full experience from Pokemon

Maybe a link to some common ones so that people can avoid them, or maybe a sample code (let's say a... 5 Pokeballs Cheat. After all, who in their right mind would use that?) so that one can see how a code is built? [[User:Shadowater|Icalasari]] 23:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

* I recommend describing well-known cheats, with links at the end of the article to GameFAQs cheating guides. That's sufficient to tell non-cheaters what sort of cheats are out there, while giving everyone else a way to find their own Gameshark codes. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 23:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== RNG Abuse as Cheating? ==

I find it difficult to believe that Bulbapedia has no mention of anything short of an external device as "cheating" here. At nationals just this year, I came across a guy with a team of six "legal" shinies with amazing stats that he got using an RNG abuse tactic as employed by the program "RNG Reporter" by Smogon's mingot (http://www.eggmove.com/rngreporter/)

If this merits an entirely different article, feel free to move both this discussion and my edit, but I firmly believe that this sort of tactic is just as broken as action replay or other devices, and so belongs here. Let's get some discussion on this; I talked to the guy who wrote that program himself, and Marriland apparently spot-checked these pokémon and they came out clean, but then so did a team full of from-scratch competitors from at least two of the competitors I know of, one of whom is going on to Worlds last I heard. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:By that logic using an IV calculator to find your IVs, using a guide to EV train and using Bulbapedia to find out what moves your Pokémon can learn is also cheating, pretty much. If you've never been in the fandom or read a guide and battle someone that has meticulously picked an amazing moveset with really good Pokémon, breeded for IVs and ability and EV trained, you could also call that cheating when your opponent was actually just using recources to help him battle. Your opponent still had to EV train, level up etc. (and had to tap the friendship and coin toss apps a bunch too). Technically it could happen to anyone by randomly tapping their apps and doing the right steps, but he was just using a "guide". You could have too. Perhaps there could be a controversy section on the Platinum RNG page or something, but I really don't think that that qualifies as cheating.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 17:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cheating

2009-07-07T17:27:26Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* RNG Abuse as Cheating? */ Forgot to sign my edit... *_*

I HATE cheaters! Unless it's to get an Event Pokemon you can't get otherwise... then I suppose it's alright. Actually, I also use "walk anywhere" from time to time, just because it's fun. [[User: Ph34rshallriseagain]]

:We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject...
:Random subject is random? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 20:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think cheating is wrong, unless you are unable to obtain the pokemon any other way. for example, I live in Canada, and there is some sort of law preventing them from hosting events here. I am getting an action replay, but only to get event-only pokemon that it is physically impossible to get any other way. I even shelled out 30 bucks on a pokemon colosseum bonus disk because its less cheating than an action replay to get a Jirachi. Like my cousin said, It takes all the fun, challenge and fairness out of the game if you use it to get everything. [[User:Retasulettuce|Retasulettuce]] 02:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be lists of gameshark codes on Bulbapedia... I know a lot of people are 'against' codes, but I think a Wiki should strive to include all the information about the pokemon games possible, especially considering that gameshark codes are so well-known in the history of pokemon games ^^

I'm not sure how to start making pages for codes though, and how they should be laid out on a page... can anyone help out? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 11:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. But there are so many anti-cheater extremists that I think it would be impossible. Saying that you never cheated on a Pokémon game in your life is a down right lie. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 11:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, as long as we take a 'Neutral Point of View' approach, and post them for the purpose of complete information for a Pokemon wiki, I personally think it should be okay. ^^ There won't (or shouldn't) be any kind of extremist drama either way as long as there's a NPOV stance. :3 --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 12:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, No. NO Gameshark codes! We are an informitive wiki, NOT an on-line strategy guide! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Firstly, what's not informative about listing codes? Secondly, how do you explain the 'game guides' category on Bulbapedia? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Codes completely ruin the point of playing the game![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a neutral stance on things how? It'd be like someone saying a page for Scientology shouldn't be on Wikipedia because they think it's 'morally wrong'. Regardless of peoples view on it, the information should still be posted from a neutral stance. Besides, lets not forget about people who use codes to play the game a second time with a different experience, ie. having a different starting pokemon, or people who use codes to explore the games programming and such. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 19:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And all I'm getting is that you want the codes.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, someone did post them a few days ago. I erased them.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I want the codes to be listed on Bulbapedia, if that's what you mean. Isn't Bulbapedia designed to be a resource for all things Pokemon? Deleting pages of information, despite how factual and accurate it is, seems somewhat silly to me. If nothing else, I think at the very least, external links to such codes should exist. Blocking out an entire aspect of Pokemon because some users frown upon it (and, conversely, some people approve and encourage it), seems to defeat the point of having a wiki in the first place. --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 20:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)\
::::::You're not getting it, are you.. cheating is frowned upon here. We are not Wikipedia. We don't have anything on cheating because we don't allow it, hence why pages on GameShark codes and the like are deleted, mainly because they are a bunch of of 'unencyclopedic' bullsh*t. If you want cheating codes, go somewhere else. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia =/= Wikipedia. Cheating is frowned upon here. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im a cheater, but i only cheat with whats given to me. so, while i may not magically create an Arceus, i may magically create an Azure Flute.... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have not cheated, but thats cause I'm not smart enough to go find them. And I have no Gameshark. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 22:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, i have to say that i have a Arceus on my Diamond Game via Action Replay from a friend of mine. But that was only because i hated it that i couldn't get Event Pokémon. I'm seriously a fair player (i have completed a big part of the National Dex without cheating) [[User: Tomazzo| Tomazzo]]

:I see nothing wrong with using cheat devices to get Event Pokémon. Some people (like myself) simply can't get to those events at all, and once the event's over we have absolutely NO chance of getting that Pokémon; it's even worse when the event only takes place in ONE COUNTRY, meaning that other players have to either: Cheat, shell out ridiculous amounts of money and hope we can get there in time (if we're even lucky enough to hear about it at all...), or try to get over the fact that we'll never have it.
::There's a few other situations where I don't mind cheating, but I know others would be against them: Filling the Pokédex (I don't like having my PC Boxes stuffed with Pokémon that I would never use, and it would just be too hard for me to keep them organized), getting certain stat-raising items (I'd rather cheat and get 999 PP '''Max''' than torture myself getting PP '''Ups'''), getting all TMs (you can only find one of a certain TM (Flash Cannon, for example), but you want a lot of your Pokémon to know the move). Then there's the one that everyone would be against: Changing movesets (Yes, I'm guilty of this one... but I've never been able to play a Wi-Fi match, so my use of illegal moves has been limited to Sinnoh's Battle Tower and Pokémon Battle Revolution). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

'''Spotting Cheaters'''

Would it be worth adding a "How to spot some Hacked Pokemon" section. It wouldn't be able to tell you about all Pokemon but some such as the Eevees and ther evolutions and starts and a few others - it could help those online avoid cheats [[User:Phantom|Phantom]]

I agree, in fact I only came to this page to ask how, as I often use the GTS but plan to enter the Pokémon Showdown thing, so I want to know, even if someone just posts it on my talk page that would be fine. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 21:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

::That would be really useful. Not that I can enter that Showdown, but, say, if I could and I didn't notice that that Tauros I got via the GTS came in a Cherish Ball... --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] 12:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok - I'll get working on it
:::Spoting cheaters is somewhat easy, as their Pokémon are usually at Lv.100 and are shiny and they have Pokérus too. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 17:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's up to players whether they cheat or not, also shouldn't this page mention quick leveling up with rare candies? Prof. Pine 21 October 2008:

::If it's for mentioning that cheaters level up their Pokémon with Rare Candies, yes. But if it's for giving some codes... NEVER MIND!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Including Cheats? ==

As others have pointed out, it WOULD be informative. Yet, at the same time, it isn't needed for the full experience from Pokemon

Maybe a link to some common ones so that people can avoid them, or maybe a sample code (let's say a... 5 Pokeballs Cheat. After all, who in their right mind would use that?) so that one can see how a code is built? [[User:Shadowater|Icalasari]] 23:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

* I recommend describing well-known cheats, with links at the end of the article to GameFAQs cheating guides. That's sufficient to tell non-cheaters what sort of cheats are out there, while giving everyone else a way to find their own Gameshark codes. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 23:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== RNG Abuse as Cheating? ==

I find it difficult to believe that Bulbapedia has no mention of anything short of an external device as "cheating" here. At nationals just this year, I came across a guy with a team of six "legal" shinies with amazing stats that he got using an RNG abuse tactic as employed by the program "RNG Reporter" by Smogon's mingot (http://www.eggmove.com/rngreporter/)

If this merits an entirely different article, feel free to move both this discussion and my edit, but I firmly believe that this sort of tactic is just as broken as action replay or other devices, and so belongs here. Let's get some discussion on this; I talked to the guy who wrote that program himself, and Marriland apparently spot-checked these pokémon and they came out clean, but then so did a team full of from-scratch competitors from at least two of the competitors I know of, one of whom is going on to Worlds last I heard. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheating

2009-07-07T07:20:47Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Methods of cheating */ Adding a blurb on RNG abuse, feel free to add relevant links or expand the section, as I'm no expert on the subject

'''Cheating''' is a highly controversial but frequently used method of playing the [[Pokémon games]]. It is notably used to duplicate rare and valuable [[item]]s and to obtain certain [[legendary Pokémon]] which would not be available until a [[Nintendo]] {{pkmn2|event}} otherwise.

==Methods of cheating==
===Glitches===
====Fake glitches====
Perhaps one of the greatest source of rumors in the Pokémon fandom is fake glitch methods. These are often described to sound more like [[wp:Easter egg (virtual)|easter eggs]] than glitches.

The most notorious example of this is rumored methods of finding {{p|Mew}} which were very common during the [[Generation I]] era. These have become an inside joke of the fandom, and some fans will invent absurd methods to make Mew appear in the game.
However, there is a way to get Mew in Red and Blue versions known as the [[Mew glitch]].

===Cheating devices===
Some cheaters will use devices like an [[wp:Datel Action Replay|Action Replay]] to affect the execution of the game and easily obtain things they would otherwise need to work for. This is one of the most controversial methods of cheating because it is deliberately altering the gameplay experience, rather than exploiting something already in the game.

Cheating devices are commonly used to get Pokémon or items which are otherwise only obtainable through a [[Nintendo]] [[List of Nintendo Pokémon promotional events|promotional event]], if at all. Commonly, in [[Generation II]] and {{gen|III}}, this means using the device to gain a special item to catch a Pokémon, such as the [[GS Ball]] or [[Old Sea Map]]. In {{pkmn|Diamond and Pearl}}, a code which has been come to be known as the "walk anywhere code" allows cheaters access to any remote location by simply walking from one map location to another, sometimes passing through the [[Mystery Zone]].

With cheating devices, cheaters can also simply alter the games code to give them many other valuable Pokémon, making the hunt for {{shiny2}} Pokémon and those with optimal [[individual values|IVs]] and [[natures]] incredibly easy. This method of gameplay can irritate other players, particularly when they receive blatantly hacked Pokémon at the [[Global Trade Station|GTS]].

Using the downloadable program, [[Pokésav]], in conjunction with an Action Replay DS, allows one to literally make their own Pokémon from scratch.

However, not all players will use cheating devices to make the game easier. In some cases, cheating devices are actually used to make the game ''harder'', such as the case where a player would use a code to trigger [[Pokémon Red and Green beta#Battling against Professor Oak|a battle with Professor Oak]].

===Game Exploits===
Some more technically savvy cheaters have gone to the lengths of even dissecting the games' pseudo-random number generator in order to allow accurate prediction of what pokémon will appear in wild encounters, given enough information about a player's game. These methods can be used to encounter legal in-game shinies with more-than-respectable stats without technically editing the player's game in any way, but still result in what closely resembles picking and choosing your pokémon as one might do with a save editor, such as pokésav.

==Controversy==
The primary complaint against cheating methods is that it takes no particular ability to exploit a glitch or enter a cheat code, and thus detracts from the point and spirit of the game, making it less enjoyable. While this is a subjective matter, it is the primary cause of cheating offending most players.

Some Pokémon fans, mainly those with any sort of affection towards their Pokémon, view cheating as unethical, although this argument is widely ridiculed by more reluctant fans.

Another more practical argument against cheating is that glitches and cheat codes often hurt the stability of the game. Many players have lost their Pokémon or save files while trying to exploit their game. ''Occasionally'' entire parties of Pokémon will be overwritten because of a destabilized glitch.

Some will justify using cheating devices to get Pokémon when they cannot attend [[Nintendo]] [[List of Nintendo Pokémon promotional events|promotional event]]s, the only legitimate way to get these Pokémon. Whether or not this is a valid excuse for cheating is a matter of opinion.

==Related articles==
* [[Action Replay]]
* [[GameShark]]
* [[Pokésav]]
 
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Cheaten]]

Talk:Cheating

2009-07-07T07:13:12Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* RNG Abuse as Cheating? */ new section

Talk:Effort values

2009-06-14T01:03:56Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* EV Training for Lv 50 battles */

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Effort values

2009-06-13T06:29:20Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* EV Training for Lv 50 battles */

Talk:Effort values

2009-06-13T02:33:59Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* EV Training for Lv 50 battles */ new section

Talk:Gracidea

2009-03-05T06:38:18Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Basis of the flower itself */ new section

==Movie==

How do we know it is in the movie?

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 19:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Leila]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

==Glacidia==
Shouldn't it be "Glacidea" if the katakana are グラシデア, not グラシディア?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. It's Glacidea. "Glacidia" was a misspelling copied by others. Anyways, isn't it supposed to be "Glacidea Flower" not "Glacidea's Flower"? Glacidea is apparently a name of flower. The "'s" thing is a misunderstanding of Japanese "no", I think. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, it can get kind of annoying when people insist on translating "no" the same way every single time...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== trade ==

what happens if you try to trade it to d/p? '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}'''
:I'm pretty sure it's a Key Item, so you can't attach it to a Pokémon and trade it. Or can you trade Key Items? - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 16:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::of course its a key item. I was just being stupid. sorry. and key items cant be traded '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}'''

== Location ==

How do we know that it's received in Floaroma Town. If there is no concrete proof it should be removed from the article. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 11:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:The woman's environment. Don't forget, Shaymin created Floaroma town so it is appropriate--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 11:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:Check Platinum page for screenshots. tc26 11:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::You get it that easily??? I wonder if Uk will get the same or if well be left out again. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 11:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Be thankful that you actually get events in your country. Also, it's a game, so you will. tc26 11:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, there's WiFi Mystery Gift now, so they won't be lazy. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 20:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I know we will get the game, but they usually leave things out of the Uk version, like crystal you could get the gs ball to get celebi, no such thing in uk, so we probably wont get the Glacidea Flower.

Also we hardly ever get events, if you look at the list of nintendo events page, it covers 2006 - 2008 we are not on there once.

The last one was in 2000 when they gave out Mew at the Millenium Dome for people with Red and Blue. Thats very frequent. Also what country do you live in? as its only europe that gets left out. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 12:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:Europe gets events. It'll even get Darkrai soon. I live in a country in Asia, that's all I'm saying. tc26 12:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Asia doesnt get left out, Japan is Asia, also in the entire creation of Pokemon 1995-2008 Europe gets a Mew and a Darkrai, and you say we are lucky??? No, events rarely leave Japan or America [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 12:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:I meant my country, not the continent. You also got those 10Aniv and several others.tc26 12:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

i love somewhere no events no anything about Pokémon. Jordan. but to return to the point, apperently the item will be in game because usually when there is an event Nintendo doesn't add people to population except the green suit guy which gives you event items in gen III and gen IV and in the screenshot its a women, i think he is in the Pokémart. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Changing back ==

Anyone know how to change Shaymin back? I used it to change Shaymin to Sky Forme and it won't go back when I use it again. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 09:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:And you got hold of Platinum how? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::Internet. I can begin with the sprites tomorrow. And I saw the answer at Serebii, so nevermind. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 09:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::how do you turn Shaymin back? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 19:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It automatically changes back when frozen/at night. [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::PC [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 23:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Using Glacidea Flower ==

It's been confirmed that you must have an ''event'' Shaymin to ''receive'' the Glacidea Flower from the girl in Floaroma, but after getting it, ''any'' Shaymin can transform using it. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 23:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Hhmm, it makes sence that ANY Shaymin you would have could use it, but it sounds weird on your first visit to Floaroma town with an event Shaymin to be able to get it. I mean, that's early in the game. Can anyone REALLY CONFIRM this?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 18:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

::Well, when you think about it, not really, the event Shaymin is at level 50. On the first visit to Floraoma Town, you'd have the Coal Badge, so it wouldn't help. You'd need the Fen Badge for it to obey you. Only someone desperate would use the Shaymin --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]'''''[[wp:Peace movement|☮]]''''' 19:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Should EVERYTHING that says you need to have the event Shaymin with you on your first visit to Floaroma town be erased? I mean, it's quite a few articles.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 04:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Events Question ==

Is it any event Shaymin, or just the Movie 11 one?

How does the game no if it is an event Shaymin or not?
[[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maxie: It's in the article. And, ''know'', I do not ''no'' how the game ''nos'' anything, but surely they haven't put all that extra coding in the event Pokemon for ''know'' reason at all. :p work on your spelling mate ;) — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Basis of the flower itself ==

Since there's already plenty of discussion about how to use the in-game item, I'm interested to hear what others think the flower itself is based on. I mean, I've never heard of a glacidea (or gracidea) or anything like it, and neither has wikipedia or google, aside from referenced to the shaymin, the movie, and the event item. My personal thoughts are that it looks suspiciously like a poinsetta, which might also shed a little light on the tradition of making a boquet into a "thank you" gift, as poinsettas are commonly associated with the holiday season and goodwill in general.

Any other thoughts?
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:GameShark

2009-02-13T01:10:23Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Incomplete? */

Not that this article is bad or anything. It's just that this doesn't seem like an article that would get much attention on here. Wouldn't it be better to just link to the Wikipedia in this case?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 18:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think we keep it here because lots of people use cheating devices. Except, by what I've seen, Action Replay is used more... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that this be merged with Action Replay into something like "Cheating Devices" (and perhaps with pokesav and the like as well) because together they MIGHT actually have enough non-overlapping content to merit an article, but each on its own does not in my opinion. So, for now I'll mark this with Questionable Notability, since it seems like either that or Cleanup, right?
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 18:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== Structure of a cheat ==

While the current text on the page is indeed true for pre-GBA games, I've seen that all GBA GameShark codes are a bunch of codes instead of just one single code (and their structure looks very random-ish). Until someone writes about how it works in the newer devices, I'm going to mark it as incomplete. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 20:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Incomplete? ==

What does this article need? I have a GameShark and I could most certainly finish this article up if I knew what else it needed. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 00:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Unfortnately it is unlikely that you have anywhere near enough knowledge of how codes are made, structured, etc. simply because you own a gameshark or related device, for any generation. Unless I am much mistaken, a large portion of the reasoning behind the 'incomplete' tag was that there is detailed information for generation I & II codes (gameboy color GS codes) but almost no information on anything from gen III or IV (GBA and DS codes, respectively). I know enough to get by on my own, but not nearly enough to teach anyone, and so can't really add anything here, except my belief that this ought to be merged with the [[Action Replay|other]] [[pokesav|related]] [[Cheating|articles]], which would probably help people understand the idea better, as [http://www.pokesav.org this] is pretty much the final stage of someone(s) trying to hack codes for themselves, which is a good place to start looking. Gah, I've gone and gotten off-topic now... Oh well, at least it's still (partially) relevant to the issue at hand. Bottom line: owning a gameshark (or other similar device) doesn't mean you necessarily know what you need to in order to finish the article. You're welcome to contribute though, and who knows? Maybe you DO know how to find entry/exit points and other such nonsense. Alright- I'm signing off here before this becomes any more rambling. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Action Replay

2008-12-08T06:16:41Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Banned from WiFi */

== Grammar on the page ==
It wasn't correct before. "It is not licensed nor is endorsed by Nintendo." When using the word "nor" without the word "neither" before it, you always use a comma, as it denotes a pause in your sentence. Plus, the "is" is superfluous. It should be either "nor endorsed" or "nor is it endorsed" to be proper.

== So... ==

Shouldn't this be just merged with GameShark? They're the same thing, just a different brand. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. They ''do'' have some different functions. Anyone else care to state their opinion? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::I say no. If the merge were to happen, though, I'd say it should be the other way around: GameShark should be merged with this, since AR is used now for most of the same things the GameShark once was, and thus has more relevance to the Pokémon community. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::tough call, but i agree that if it were to be merged, it would merge with this. not this to that. all pre-2001-2 GameSharks are actually Action Replays, after that time frame, they used the AR name. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

If we do merge them, we should just rename the article "Cheating Devices", and create a table comparing the functions of the two. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Use and Function ==

I added the Use & Function section because I felt that there wasn't anything in the article that adequately described what the Action Replay actually does. This was my first edit, so feel free to rip it apart! --[[User:Amp|Amp]] 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
== Pokesav section ==

I personally am working on a program similar to pokesav for personal use, and I can say with great confidence that pokesav does indeed leave very visible signs on your game that you have used it. There are various places (trash bytes) in your save data that will be overwritten with various markers, including the text "COM" (the person who coded pokesav). In addition, a pokemon created by pokesav or even edited with it will have various markers left on it, such as invalid trash bytes. perhaps the most obvious mark however is the fact that a perfect 31 IV spread is impossible for the majority of natures, given the PV to IV generation algorithm.

Well aside from that, I'd say that pokesav is not relevant to AR, but rather it is the other way around. See, pokesav is simply a tool, and it happens to use AR as its *secondary* method of editing. Most people will actually use devices such as an R4DS to transfer their save file, then edit it directly. Thus AR is more relevant to pokesav than vice-versa. In short, I'm suggesting that pokesav not have such a large section in this article, especially since it is nothing new, what with tools like Kiro's Pokémon Maker having been out for Gen III for a good long time as well.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth here, so... Later! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned from WiFi ==
I had heard a rumour myself (I can't find an appropriate section to put this in....How do you start a new section?) Anyway, apparently Nintendo is planning to ban all players from Wi-Fi who have Action Replay Pokemon like, for example, the little git who has 6 shiny Deoxys at level 100... (unsigned comment moved)

This is partially true, as the WiFi service won't let you go online if your pokemon are overly hacked. I'm not entirely certain, but I believe it has something to do with the Hidden Values in the pokémon's data. It also has certain filters based on impossible combinations. For example, because it is impossible to get a legitimate shiny Manaphy from the Ranger egg, if you hack one to be shiny, and then try to use it on GTS, you will be kicked from the GTS. Pokemon that are known to be hacked by Nintendo's system will also prevent you from entering any activities (including voice chat) in the WiFi center in any pokémon center.
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Action Replay

2008-12-08T06:15:46Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Banned from WiFi */

== Grammar on the page ==
It wasn't correct before. "It is not licensed nor is endorsed by Nintendo." When using the word "nor" without the word "neither" before it, you always use a comma, as it denotes a pause in your sentence. Plus, the "is" is superfluous. It should be either "nor endorsed" or "nor is it endorsed" to be proper.

== So... ==

Shouldn't this be just merged with GameShark? They're the same thing, just a different brand. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. They ''do'' have some different functions. Anyone else care to state their opinion? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::I say no. If the merge were to happen, though, I'd say it should be the other way around: GameShark should be merged with this, since AR is used now for most of the same things the GameShark once was, and thus has more relevance to the Pokémon community. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::tough call, but i agree that if it were to be merged, it would merge with this. not this to that. all pre-2001-2 GameSharks are actually Action Replays, after that time frame, they used the AR name. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

If we do merge them, we should just rename the article "Cheating Devices", and create a table comparing the functions of the two. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Use and Function ==

I added the Use & Function section because I felt that there wasn't anything in the article that adequately described what the Action Replay actually does. This was my first edit, so feel free to rip it apart! --[[User:Amp|Amp]] 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
== Pokesav section ==

I personally am working on a program similar to pokesav for personal use, and I can say with great confidence that pokesav does indeed leave very visible signs on your game that you have used it. There are various places (trash bytes) in your save data that will be overwritten with various markers, including the text "COM" (the person who coded pokesav). In addition, a pokemon created by pokesav or even edited with it will have various markers left on it, such as invalid trash bytes. perhaps the most obvious mark however is the fact that a perfect 31 IV spread is impossible for the majority of natures, given the PV to IV generation algorithm.

Well aside from that, I'd say that pokesav is not relevant to AR, but rather it is the other way around. See, pokesav is simply a tool, and it happens to use AR as its *secondary* method of editing. Most people will actually use devices such as an R4DS to transfer their save file, then edit it directly. Thus AR is more relevant to pokesav than vice-versa. In short, I'm suggesting that pokesav not have such a large section in this article, especially since it is nothing new, what with tools like Kiro's Pokémon Maker having been out for Gen III for a good long time as well.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth here, so... Later! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned from WiFi ==
I had heard a rumour myself (I can't find an appropriate section to put this in....How do you start a new section?) Anyway, apparently Nintendo is planning to ban all players from Wi-Fi who have Action Replay Pokemon like, for example, the little git who has 6 shiny Deoxys at level 100...

This is partially true, as the WiFi service won't let you go online if your pokemon are overly hacked. I'm not entirely certain, but I believe it has something to do with the Hidden Values in the pokémon's data. It also has certain filters based on impossible combinations. For example, because it is impossible to get a legitimate shiny Manaphy from the Ranger egg, if you hack one to be shiny, and then try to use it on GTS, you will be kicked from the GTS. Pokemon that are known to be hacked by Nintendo's system will also prevent you from entering any activities (including voice chat) in the WiFi center in any pokémon center.
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Action Replay

2008-12-08T06:15:30Z

TheCakeIsALie: Fix'd and explained.

== Grammar on the page ==
It wasn't correct before. "It is not licensed nor is endorsed by Nintendo." When using the word "nor" without the word "neither" before it, you always use a comma, as it denotes a pause in your sentence. Plus, the "is" is superfluous. It should be either "nor endorsed" or "nor is it endorsed" to be proper.

== So... ==

Shouldn't this be just merged with GameShark? They're the same thing, just a different brand. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. They ''do'' have some different functions. Anyone else care to state their opinion? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::I say no. If the merge were to happen, though, I'd say it should be the other way around: GameShark should be merged with this, since AR is used now for most of the same things the GameShark once was, and thus has more relevance to the Pokémon community. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::tough call, but i agree that if it were to be merged, it would merge with this. not this to that. all pre-2001-2 GameSharks are actually Action Replays, after that time frame, they used the AR name. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

If we do merge them, we should just rename the article "Cheating Devices", and create a table comparing the functions of the two. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Use and Function ==

I added the Use & Function section because I felt that there wasn't anything in the article that adequately described what the Action Replay actually does. This was my first edit, so feel free to rip it apart! --[[User:Amp|Amp]] 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
== Pokesav section ==

I personally am working on a program similar to pokesav for personal use, and I can say with great confidence that pokesav does indeed leave very visible signs on your game that you have used it. There are various places (trash bytes) in your save data that will be overwritten with various markers, including the text "COM" (the person who coded pokesav). In addition, a pokemon created by pokesav or even edited with it will have various markers left on it, such as invalid trash bytes. perhaps the most obvious mark however is the fact that a perfect 31 IV spread is impossible for the majority of natures, given the PV to IV generation algorithm.

Well aside from that, I'd say that pokesav is not relevant to AR, but rather it is the other way around. See, pokesav is simply a tool, and it happens to use AR as its *secondary* method of editing. Most people will actually use devices such as an R4DS to transfer their save file, then edit it directly. Thus AR is more relevant to pokesav than vice-versa. In short, I'm suggesting that pokesav not have such a large section in this article, especially since it is nothing new, what with tools like Kiro's Pokémon Maker having been out for Gen III for a good long time as well.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth here, so... Later! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned from WiFi ==
I had heard a rumour myself (I can't find an appropriate section to put this in....How do you start a new section?) Anyway, apparently Nintendo is planning to ban all players from Wi-Fi who have Action Replay Pokemon like, for example, the little git who has 6 shiny Deoxys at level 100...

This is partially true, as the WiFi service won't let you go online if your pokemon are overly hacked. I'm not entirely certain, but I believe it has something to do with the Hidden Values in the pokémon's data. It also has certain filters based on impossible combinations. For example, because it is impossible to get a legitimate shiny Manaphy from the Ranger egg, if you hack one to be shiny, and then try to use it on GTS, you will be kicked from the GTS. Pokemon that are known to be hacked by Nintendo's system will also prevent you from entering any activities (including voice chat) in the WiFi center in any pokémon center.

Talk:Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia

2008-11-11T20:55:33Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Release date? */

== Clothing cameo? ==

I showed my friends the recent scan from Famitsu [http://pokebeach.com/news/0208/famitsu-shaymin.jpg here via Pokebeach] and one of them commented that the male character was wearing a jacket from someone in the Megaman series. [http://www.freewebs.com/megamanhaven/rollclipboard.jpg Roll Caskett] apparently. It does look strickingly similar... Think it was intended? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 01:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Mebbe. Either that or Pokémon is getting revenge on Mega Man for stealing their ideas. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>{{{1|06:10 16 Feb 2008}}}
'''
::...Just noticed another similarity. You know those 'side-quests'? They are also in Star Force. O.o '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]12:26 5 Apr 2008'''

== Official? ==

Is there an official website for this game?[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 17:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Wait... ==

So what are the green uniforms for? {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|12:26 20 Mar 2008}}}'''
:School maybe? (Although a ten year-old wearing such short shorts seems rather lolicon...)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is the school uniform from the first parts of the game.

== Meaning of Batonnage? ==
Does anyone know the meaning of Batonnage? It isn't Japanese is it? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Veronica|Veronica]] ([[User talk:Veronica|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Veronica|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Only definition I could find is [http://www.cellarmasters.com.au/sections/news/glossary.asp here]. Well, it does make sense, since you spin your touch pen around. --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 11:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::It seems to be the name of a new upgrade to the Capture Styler. Hajime was yelling it a lot when he did that thing with his fingers in the anime special. The word appears to be derived from "Battle" and something else, though that wine find is interesting. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I always figured it had more to do with "baton" than anything else, with the baton being the Styler. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 19:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Should we take it off of standby till release mode? ==

I'm asking since it's been almost 3 months since it's release, and it still looks like its on standby for the release. I mean, it's getting a bit ridiculous that we haven't updated the Info about it. I mean, is it too much to at LEAST have a plot section? I mean, no offense, but I'm a bit surprised that it's been on standby mode even AFTER it's release. I mean, it can't be because of the Japanese release date because the anime episodes, as soon as they are released in japan have their articles edited heavily for stuff that happens in the episodes.

can someone care to edit the article to make it more up date for its release. I'd do it myself, but 1. Battonage hasn't been released in America yet, and 2. even if it has, I'm not buying it due to my being on a boycott.

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm...let's see what our dudes have been doing. The plot section of PMD2 is officially belonging to Wikipedia...or is it the opposite? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''14:40 1 Jun 2008'''''

::I checked Wikipedia, and there's... no plot section there either. Actually, I noticed that many pages and links to it are bare to the bone (In fact, the only FAQ for Batonnage on GameFAQ's is an Arena Guide.). And it's been at LEAST 2 months, if not three months since it's release in japan, since it's Japanese release date in Japan is supposed to be March the 20th, 2008. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 16:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== English name ==

Just so you know, I was watching Nintendo's E3 segment just now, and they mentioned this game's name is now Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia. So I moved it accordingly.
Toastypk 17:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Team ==

Is the Team's name really Dark-dark? Did the guy just translate? tc26 00:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:It says on Serebii that the new name for Team Yamiyami is Team Dim Sun. Should this be added to the article?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm still trying to figure out policies, but I think Serebii is not a reliable source. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 22:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mini-Site Up ==

Just thought I'd let you guys know that Pokémon.com has teaser info up for the game. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 10:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Darkrai? ==

Well i was seeing the Darkrai section and I got confused when they said Darkrai would be able to catch in the game but it would be able only in the Japanese Version, is it only in the Japanese Version or is the American Version also going to let us catch Darkrai?
:Well in Japan he was released a few weeks later than the other ones so he probably will be a bitlater in America too.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
But i also have a time limit to get it? After January 31 2009 they wont be giving out the Darkrai mission, right?
::Well it'll probably be a few weeks later then.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 15:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
The mission are available during the specific time period only. The sending of the three Pokémon can only be done once. Darkrai's mission, in Japan, was a bit later than the first two. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 02:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==Release date?==

We need to pin down the release date. The official site and Gamestop claim it's the tenth, but I've gone to other stores who claim it's the eleventh. ????? [[user:dude851884|Grimlock OWNZORS]]
: http://www.pokemonranger.com states the release date is November 10, 2008. Often, some stores will state a day after the official release date, not sure as to the reason for it though. Anyhow, the date we have on the article comes directly from Nintendo, we have the correct date. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 02:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
::True, but I just got mine today, since the store near me said that the game SHIPPED yesterday from the East Coast, where it apparently WAS release on the 10th. I'd say the Nov 10 date is still fine, but it is odd that it would take an extra day to reach anywhere after the release date...[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

GameShark

2008-09-28T18:26:20Z

TheCakeIsALie: Possible merge with other cheating articles.

{{Questionable_Notability}}
'''GameShark''' is a [[cheating]] device used to alter the internal data of many video games. It is well-known for its use in the Pokémon series, as it is one of the ways to easily get [[legendary Pokémon]] or Pokémon only available through an event, and many rare items, such as [[Master Ball]]s.

Use of a GameShark can sometimes cause unwanted corruption of a save file. If the game is not inserted correctly into the slot, this is especially likely.

==Codes==
A GameShark code is made up of three parts. The first part is the code type, which is commonly represented as 01. The second is the quality digits, which are the digits that will go into that space in memory. This is usually represented by XX, as these numbers can be modified at any time to change what will be received. All values are in hexadecimal code, instead of decimal (for example, the number 88 is represented by 58). The third and final part is the address in memory, represented in Little Endian notation. This means that if the address C000 is to be modified, the end of the code would need to be 00C0. The code 010100C0 would tell the GameShark that the code type is 1, and that the value 01 will be put into the address C000.

==Consequences==
Sometimes the game will give you a [[bad egg]], or take away your [[key items]]. Other times, your game will freeze, or simply erase.
{{stub}}

[[Category:Cheating devices]]
[[Category:Electronic devices]]

Talk:GameShark

2008-09-28T18:24:35Z

TheCakeIsALie: Merge with AR and pokesav?

Talk:List of moves

2008-09-04T04:57:03Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Sorting error? */

So just what is with the order that the list is in? It seems random and nonsensical. --Ketsuban

>It appears to be listed in the order the game's data keeps them in.

- Zeta

Anyone have a listing of the Gen IV moves so we can add to this? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 04:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

: Numbers and names here: [http://www18.atwiki.jp/pokeanalyze/pages/48.html] Names and descriptions here: [http://no3.pic.bz/document/attacks.txt]. The type and power data are on various other webpages. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh bugger, I've stuffed it up -- I'm not sure how to fix it, a little help please? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 11:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

We should get PP on here... sometime. [[User:Kevinchai|Kevinchai]] 03:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

== Order ==

Can this be made a sortable list please? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
: Ok, I did it myself, but I have no clue how to get it to sort by type, since it uses images. Someone please make it sortable by ALL the columns. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 05:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::Plus it's glitched; 250 power's not at the top. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== judgment ==

i wonder why judgment isnt at the bottom '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 18:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Not sure. It's listed as #449... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::You'd think they'd program it last because arceus is last in the 'dex... '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 18:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah... Index numbers are crazy. Like in Gen III when Chimecho came after Deoxys in the index listing. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sorting error? ==

I'm attempting to sort the list, and it seems that it's using a text-based sort and not a numerical sort for the Power, Accuracy, etc. because I'm seeing it list Power 10 moves listed right above power 100 moves...
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 04:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of moves

2008-09-04T04:56:52Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Sorting error? */ new section

Talk:Action Replay

2008-09-01T19:27:29Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Pokesav section */ new section

== Grammar on the page ==
It wasn't correct before. "It is not licensed nor is endorsed by Nintendo." When using the word "nor" without the word "neither" before it, you always use a comma, as it denotes a pause in your sentence. Plus, the "is" is superfluous. It should be either "nor endorsed" or "nor is it endorsed" to be proper.

== So... ==

Shouldn't this be just merged with GameShark? They're the same thing, just a different brand. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. They ''do'' have some different functions. Anyone else care to state their opinion? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::I say no. If the merge were to happen, though, I'd say it should be the other way around: GameShark should be merged with this, since AR is used now for most of the same things the GameShark once was, and thus has more relevance to the Pokémon community. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::tough call, but i agree that if it were to be merged, it would merge with this. not this to that. all pre-2001-2 GameSharks are actually Action Replays, after that time frame, they used the AR name. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

If we do merge them, we should just rename the article "Cheating Devices", and create a table comparing the functions of the two. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Use and Function ==

I added the Use & Function section because I felt that there wasn't anything in the article that adequately described what the Action Replay actually does. This was my first edit, so feel free to rip it apart! --[[User:Amp|Amp]] 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Pokesav section ==

I personally am working on a program similar to pokesav for personal use, and I can say with great confidence that pokesav does indeed leave very visible signs on your game that you have used it. There are various places (trash bytes) in your save data that will be overwritten with various markers, including the text "COM" (the person who coded pokesav). In addition, a pokemon created by pokesav or even edited with it will have various markers left on it, such as invalid trash bytes. perhaps the most obvious mark however is the fact that a perfect 31 IV spread is impossible for the majority of natures, given the PV to IV generation algorithm.

Well aside from that, I'd say that pokesav is not relevant to AR, but rather it is the other way around. See, pokesav is simply a tool, and it happens to use AR as its *secondary* method of editing. Most people will actually use devices such as an R4DS to transfer their save file, then edit it directly. Thus AR is more relevant to pokesav than vice-versa. In short, I'm suggesting that pokesav not have such a large section in this article, especially since it is nothing new, what with tools like Kiro's Pokémon Maker having been out for Gen III for a good long time as well.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth here, so... Later! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Emerald Version

2008-08-25T13:22:41Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Broken PRNG */

''New areas including the Safari Zone'' Huh? The Safari Zone was already there--or do you mean new areas *in* the Safari Zone?

I think whoever made this meant in the Safari zone. I'll edit it..[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 23:07, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Release Date==

The Article says Emerald was ''released elsewhere on April 23rd'' yet the US release date is listed as May 1st, that needs fixing. - [[User:MTC|MTC]] 14:00, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Question ==

Probably the wrong place to ask, but if I get my Pokémon above level 50 before getting the badge that lets you control level 70 Pokémon, will it still obey me?--[[User:ObsessedMinunFan|ObsessedMinunFan]] 19:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

: As long as they are ''your'' Pokémon and not traded. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::Ah, ok. Thank you for clearing this up for me. I wish I'd have known it sooner, though, before I went though 15 minutes of utter frustration and yelling at my Pokémon when I fought [[Flannery]].--[[User:ObsessedMinunFan|ObsessedMinunFan]] 01:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Stub classification ==

Why is this article a stub? It's true that this game doesn't have information on it's plot or anything but most of it is repeated from [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]]. I noticed the same thing in regards to [[Pokémon Yellow|Yellow]] and [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] too. What can be done to remove these articles of their stub-status without repeating almost all of the information from their respective prequels (i.e. [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]] to Emerald)? [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 00:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:That's a good question, really. I think that what the goal should be for all of them is to elevate them to the same length and quality as that of the article on Diamond and Pearl. I think the most basic thing to de-stub-ize those articles would be to make sure that the length of the text is greater than that of the editbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

==Shinies==
Umm... This is probably a stupid question, but, are there any shinies in Emerald. [[User:GlalieGuy| Glalie ex]]
:Yes. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 21:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
----
...seriously, are there actual shiny animated sprites in Emerald's code or something? Because like.. I dunno, it's just weird that all of the sources I go to have 'Missing' or nothing in the shiny Emerald sprite section. :S [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I have seen some, such as the infamous shiny Rayquaza. I believe that these people are just like you, Tin, they believe that animated sprites are a pain in the neck to look at and they think "Who would want to use such asshole images anyway?" '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]12:22 5 Apr 2008'''

I had a shiny Bellosom and Manectric, saw Shiny Aipom, but I migrated the former 2 into Diamond, but my dad literally broke it, so they don't exist anymore, along with all of my miragated and special Pokemon--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:Not the place to be worrying about split milk. Cry, cry and cry again. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]12:41 5 Apr 2008'''

Look at TTE's page, he cried over losing Hot Psycho and Sharking Shiny Scizor that ruined the game!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

== Broken PRNG ==

Is this statement actually true? Is there any kind of proof that can approve this theory? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is true. Did you not see the link I included? Basically what it means is that if you restart the game (power off/on, not restart save) and move the same, you will encounter the same pokemon. If you really need more proof, I can get tsanth in here, and he can tell you so much about it that you'll wonder why you ever thought you knew Pokémon at all. Really though, just read the article- it says all you need to understand it. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 19:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for clearing me up. Just another question though: is this some sort of bug or glitch or is it a decision that the developers came to to make things this way? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Well it's impossibly to know either way unless somebody asks, but given that every other game to date (including Diamond and Pearl) use proper seeding methods, I'd say it's safe to assume that they screwed up on it. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 13:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Emerald Version

2008-08-24T19:37:47Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Broken PRNG */

Talk:My Best Friends

2008-08-24T04:53:45Z

TheCakeIsALie: Please discuss.

==Character Lists?==
How exactly does a character list fit in an article about a song? If this is supposed to be the cast who are involved in the song itself in any one episode or perhaps in the live performance, then it should be noted as such. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 04:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

My Best Friends

2008-08-24T04:34:39Z

TheCakeIsALie: Undo revision 437981 by PAK Man (Talk) (Characters? In my song? It's more likely than you think. Or not)

'''My Best Friends''' was one of the songs in [[Pikachu's Jukebox]] during the original series. It is featured on the [[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]] CD, as well as its appearance during the credits of [[Pokémon Heroes]]. Some lyrics was also featured in ''[[Finale]]''. A non-lyrical version is featured in the game [[Pokémon Puzzle League]] as the theme song for [[Blaine]].

==Episodes==
* ''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]''
* ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]''
* ''[[EP078|A Friend in Deed]]''
* ''[[EP083|Poké Ball Peril]]''
* ''[[EP088|In the Pink]]''

==Lyrics==
<ab>''Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Here we are on a new adventure
Danger lurks somewhere in the darkness
We are set for surprises - even battle!
We're a team - no one better mess with us!

If we stand as one,
There's nothing to fear,
We'll beat the darkness,
And we'll stay right here!
Time after time,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me.

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Good friends - are those who stick together
When there's sun and in the heavy weather...

Smile after smile,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Remember, when we first met?
We had such fun, oh I never will forget...
Since then, the times are so good -
We've always stuck together like best friends should...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...''</ab>

== Credits ==
* Lead vocal: Ray Greene
* BG vocals: Darcell Wilson, Ray Greene, Michael Whalen
* Produced and arranged by Michael Whalen

{{Jukebox}}
{{Project Music notice}}
{{songstub}}
[[Category:Pikachu's Jukebox songs]]

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-08-02T01:49:32Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* About Me */

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Utah, going to college at Neumont University in Sandy/South Jordan, so if anybody knows where in hell that is, let me know, because I could always do with meeting new people.

= Notice =
If it seems like I go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes one major pastime self-evident, but aside from that:

-My username should make it obvious that I have seen through GLADOS's promises of cake and therapy

-WH40k (Space Marines)

-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)

-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything about your game.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do have an issue with it, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

Pokémon Emerald Version

2008-08-02T01:42:54Z

TheCakeIsALie:

{{Infobox_game |
name = Pokémon Emerald Version |
boxart = [[Image:Pokemon_Emerald_boxart_EN-US.jpg|300px]] |
caption = Pokémon Emerald Version's boxart, featuring Rayquaza. |
category = RPG |
players = up to 5 players |
release_date_ja = Sep 16, 2004 |
release_date_au = Jun 02, 2005|
release_date_eu = Oct 21, 2005 |
release_date_na = May 01, 2005 |
release_date_kr = |
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = Everyone |
website_en = [http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=89d7b1b3-b994-423a-92b3-b875789fc522 Games: Pokémon Emerald] |
website_ja = [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/bpej/ ポケットモンスター　エメラルド] |
}}
{{StrategyWiki}}
'''Pokémon Emerald''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター　エメラルド''' ''Pocket Monsters Emerald'') is a sister game to [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]], and is the fifth [[Generation III]] [[main series]] game. It was released in Japan on September 16th. It added many features to Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire.

It was the second highest selling video game of 2005 in North America.

== Changes from Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire ==

=== Aesthetic changes ===

* [[Brendan (game)|Brendan]] and [[May (game)|May]] have slight outfit changes.

* {{p|Vigoroth}} are in place of {{p|Machoke}} moving boxes into Brendan's or May's house, while {{p|Zigzagoon}} is in place of {{p|Poochyena}} chasing [[Professor Birch]].
* Pokémon are animated in battle.
* The [[Legendary Pokémon]] battle intros include a different animation before moving into the battle scene. This animation involves, for the [[Generation III]] mascots, their body pattern, or for the [[Legendary Golems]], their eye pattern.

=== Storyline changes ===

* Both [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]] are featured as the villainous teams, each stirring trouble at different stages in the game. The objective of each team, to awaken {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, respectively, is eventually fulfilled.
* {{p|Rayquaza}} is prominent plot-wise, awakened in order to stop the destructive battle between Groudon and Kyogre. It is the one out of the three ancient [[Pokémon]] that can be captured prior to the [[Elite Four]] challenge, while still at the same place and on the same high level as in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire.

=== Gameplay Changes ===

* Groudon and Kyogre are captured at new locations and on higher levels.
* The fleeing Pokémon across [[Hoenn]], {{p|Latias}} or {{p|Latios}}, can be selected right after beating the Elite Four. The one that is not selected is available on [[Southern Island]], requiring the promotional [[Eon Ticket]].
* The Regis' puzzle is somewhat different, though the same in principle.
* Wireless linking with [[Union Room]], as in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]].
* Wireless mini-games added to [[Mossdeep City]], as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Double Battles are available outside link-cable battling. Featured in the Battle Tower with a computer player (or, using the Wireless Adapter, a human player), as well as at the [[Mossdeep Space Center|Space Center]] stage of the game, battling alongside [[Steven Stone|Steven]].
* [[Double Battle]]s are more common as different trainers can team up.
* [[Gym Leader]]s may be rebattled in Double Battles, with new Pokémon on their teams that are not regularly found in Hoenn.
* The Trainer's Eyes is replaced by Match Call, which integrated a calling system similar to the [[PokéGear]] cellphone.
* {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}} may be gotten from Professor Birch after catching every Pokémon in the [[Hoenn Dex]].
* {{p|Deoxys}} is in its Speed form.
* New map effects for Abilities.
* New item list for {{a|Pickup}}; Pokémon picks up item based on Pokémon's level.
* [[Abilities]] have a role in breeding as Magma Armor and Flame Body hurry up the hatching process if a Pokémon which acquires them is in the party.
* Passing-down [[Natures]] with {{evostone|Everstone}} when breeding Pokémon.
* Raise [[Happiness]] and lower [[effort values]] with certain berries.
* The [[Mystery Gift]] option of the [[Wireless Adapter]] primarily replaces the [[Mystery Events]] option of the [[e-Reader]]. The [[Enigma Berry]] is thus obtained through Mystery Gift, unlike in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire. Mystery Events is absent from the English version of the game.
* Pokémon Contests are all held in [[Lilycove City]].

=== Character changes ===

* [[Contest Lady]], [[Quiz Lady]], or [[Favor Lady]] in Lilycove Pokémon Center.
* New [[Move Tutor]]s added, including most of the ones in Pokémon FireRed and Pokémon LeafGreen (all but {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}} and {{m|Hydro Cannon}}), along with 15 others that teach moves previously acquired through [[Generation II]] [[Technical Machine|TMs]].
* Learn about a Pokémon's [[DVs]] through a Legendary Pokémon Top Breeder.
* A new Gym Leader in the Sootopolis Gym, [[Juan]].
* A new Pokémon Champion, [[Wallace]].
* [[Steven Stone|Steven]] appears in [[Meteor Falls]] after the Elite Four challenge.

=== Area additions ===

* The fossils ([[Root Fossil]], [[Claw Fossil]]) in the desert are now found in a short-lived tower called [[Mirage Tower]] that sinks into the ground once a fossil is chosen. However, the other fossil can now be acquired after the Elite Four challenge.
* [[Pokémon Battle Tent|Battle Tents]] replace [[Pokémon Contests|Pokémon Contest]] Halls in [[Verdanturf Town]], [[Fallarbor Town]] and [[Slateport City]].
* A new battle area, [[Trainer Hill]] (a similar location to [[Trainer Tower]] found in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]). Features [[e-Reader]] compatibility in the Japanese version.
* Another new battle area, the {{ho|Battle Frontier}}, an expansion of the existing Battle Tower.
* New areas within the [[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] and [[Desert Underpass]], introducing 30 [[Johto]]-region Pokémon and a few [[Kanto]]-region Pokémon.

* [[Terra Cave]] and [[Marine Cave]], accessible only after defeating Elite Four, are home to Groudon and Kyogre, respectively. The caves are not fixed to one location, and in order to track them it is necessary to investigate the unusual patterns concluded by the [[Weather Institute]].
* [[Navel Rock]], where {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} appear, as well as [[Birth Island]], where Deoxys appears, can be reached in the same way as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* {{p|Mew}} appears on [[Faraway Island]], an island that is located remote from Hoenn. Reaching the island requires a special promotional item, the [[Old Sea Map]].
* [[Altering Cave]] added, as in the one found in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Wireless battle house added to [[Mossdeep City]], as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Utilizing GameShark, players can find hidden music in the games, including music originally used in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

=== Broken PRNG ===

*The game uses a faulty implementation of the pseudo-random number generator (PRNG), which allows literally identical random numbers even after multiple resets. The game neglects to reseed the PRNG on startup, which means that the random numbers follow a predictable sequence once the seed is found and/or forced. See [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23986 this article] for more detailed info.

=== Emerald cloning glitch ===

*Like previous games, Emerald has a [[Pokémon cloning|cloning glitch]] that allows players to make multiple copies of Pokémon and items only available once.

==Trivia==
*Interestingly, {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} appear in [[Fiore]] after [[Pokémon Ranger|the game's]] ending. The two seem to have been hurt in a battle, which could have taken place in [[Hoenn]].

== See also ==
*[[Staff of Pokémon Emerald]]

 
{{Main series}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Emerald|*]]
[[Category:Game Boy Advance games]]
[[Category:Third versions]]

[[de:Pokémon Smaragd]]
[[fr:Pokémon Émeraude]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターエメラルド]]
[[pl:Pokémon Emerald]]
[[pt:Pokémon Emerald]]

Pokémon Emerald Version

2008-08-02T01:40:29Z

TheCakeIsALie: Added mention of busted PRNG

{{Infobox_game |
name = Pokémon Emerald Version |
boxart = [[Image:Pokemon_Emerald_boxart_EN-US.jpg|300px]] |
caption = Pokémon Emerald Version's boxart, featuring Rayquaza. |
category = RPG |
players = up to 5 players |
release_date_ja = Sep 16, 2004 |
release_date_au = Jun 02, 2005|
release_date_eu = Oct 21, 2005 |
release_date_na = May 01, 2005 |
release_date_kr = |
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = Everyone |
website_en = [http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=89d7b1b3-b994-423a-92b3-b875789fc522 Games: Pokémon Emerald] |
website_ja = [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/bpej/ ポケットモンスター　エメラルド] |
}}
{{StrategyWiki}}
'''Pokémon Emerald''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター　エメラルド''' ''Pocket Monsters Emerald'') is a sister game to [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]], and is the fifth [[Generation III]] [[main series]] game. It was released in Japan on September 16th. It added many features to Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire.

It was the second highest selling video game of 2005 in North America.

== Changes from Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire ==

=== Aesthetic changes ===

* [[Brendan (game)|Brendan]] and [[May (game)|May]] have slight outfit changes.

* {{p|Vigoroth}} are in place of {{p|Machoke}} moving boxes into Brendan's or May's house, while {{p|Zigzagoon}} is in place of {{p|Poochyena}} chasing [[Professor Birch]].
* Pokémon are animated in battle.
* The [[Legendary Pokémon]] battle intros include a different animation before moving into the battle scene. This animation involves, for the [[Generation III]] mascots, their body pattern, or for the [[Legendary Golems]], their eye pattern.

=== Storyline changes ===

* Both [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]] are featured as the villainous teams, each stirring trouble at different stages in the game. The objective of each team, to awaken {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, respectively, is eventually fulfilled.
* {{p|Rayquaza}} is prominent plot-wise, awakened in order to stop the destructive battle between Groudon and Kyogre. It is the one out of the three ancient [[Pokémon]] that can be captured prior to the [[Elite Four]] challenge, while still at the same place and on the same high level as in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire.

=== Gameplay Changes ===

* Groudon and Kyogre are captured at new locations and on higher levels.
* The fleeing Pokémon across [[Hoenn]], {{p|Latias}} or {{p|Latios}}, can be selected right after beating the Elite Four. The one that is not selected is available on [[Southern Island]], requiring the promotional [[Eon Ticket]].
* The Regis' puzzle is somewhat different, though the same in principle.
* Wireless linking with [[Union Room]], as in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]].
* Wireless mini-games added to [[Mossdeep City]], as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Double Battles are available outside link-cable battling. Featured in the Battle Tower with a computer player (or, using the Wireless Adapter, a human player), as well as at the [[Mossdeep Space Center|Space Center]] stage of the game, battling alongside [[Steven Stone|Steven]].
* [[Double Battle]]s are more common as different trainers can team up.
* [[Gym Leader]]s may be rebattled in Double Battles, with new Pokémon on their teams that are not regularly found in Hoenn.
* The Trainer's Eyes is replaced by Match Call, which integrated a calling system similar to the [[PokéGear]] cellphone.
* {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}} may be gotten from Professor Birch after catching every Pokémon in the [[Hoenn Dex]].
* {{p|Deoxys}} is in its Speed form.
* New map effects for Abilities.
* New item list for {{a|Pickup}}; Pokémon picks up item based on Pokémon's level.
* [[Abilities]] have a role in breeding as Magma Armor and Flame Body hurry up the hatching process if a Pokémon which acquires them is in the party.
* Passing-down [[Natures]] with {{evostone|Everstone}} when breeding Pokémon.
* Raise [[Happiness]] and lower [[effort values]] with certain berries.
* The [[Mystery Gift]] option of the [[Wireless Adapter]] primarily replaces the [[Mystery Events]] option of the [[e-Reader]]. The [[Enigma Berry]] is thus obtained through Mystery Gift, unlike in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire. Mystery Events is absent from the English version of the game.
* Pokémon Contests are all held in [[Lilycove City]].

=== Character changes ===

* [[Contest Lady]], [[Quiz Lady]], or [[Favor Lady]] in Lilycove Pokémon Center.
* New [[Move Tutor]]s added, including most of the ones in Pokémon FireRed and Pokémon LeafGreen (all but {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}} and {{m|Hydro Cannon}}), along with 15 others that teach moves previously acquired through [[Generation II]] [[Technical Machine|TMs]].
* Learn about a Pokémon's [[DVs]] through a Legendary Pokémon Top Breeder.
* A new Gym Leader in the Sootopolis Gym, [[Juan]].
* A new Pokémon Champion, [[Wallace]].
* [[Steven Stone|Steven]] appears in [[Meteor Falls]] after the Elite Four challenge.

=== Area additions ===

* The fossils ([[Root Fossil]], [[Claw Fossil]]) in the desert are now found in a short-lived tower called [[Mirage Tower]] that sinks into the ground once a fossil is chosen. However, the other fossil can now be acquired after the Elite Four challenge.
* [[Pokémon Battle Tent|Battle Tents]] replace [[Pokémon Contests|Pokémon Contest]] Halls in [[Verdanturf Town]], [[Fallarbor Town]] and [[Slateport City]].
* A new battle area, [[Trainer Hill]] (a similar location to [[Trainer Tower]] found in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]). Features [[e-Reader]] compatibility in the Japanese version.
* Another new battle area, the {{ho|Battle Frontier}}, an expansion of the existing Battle Tower.
* New areas within the [[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] and [[Desert Underpass]], introducing 30 [[Johto]]-region Pokémon and a few [[Kanto]]-region Pokémon.

* [[Terra Cave]] and [[Marine Cave]], accessible only after defeating Elite Four, are home to Groudon and Kyogre, respectively. The caves are not fixed to one location, and in order to track them it is necessary to investigate the unusual patterns concluded by the [[Weather Institute]].
* [[Navel Rock]], where {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} appear, as well as [[Birth Island]], where Deoxys appears, can be reached in the same way as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* {{p|Mew}} appears on [[Faraway Island]], an island that is located remote from Hoenn. Reaching the island requires a special promotional item, the [[Old Sea Map]].
* [[Altering Cave]] added, as in the one found in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Wireless battle house added to [[Mossdeep City]], as in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.
* Utilizing GameShark, players can find hidden music in the games, including music originally used in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

=== Broken PRNG ===

*The game uses a faulty implementation of the pseudo-random number generator (PRNG), which allows literally identical random numbers even after multiple resets. The game neglects to reseed the PRNG on startup, which means that the random numbers follow a predictable sequence once the seed is found and/or forced. See <a href="http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23986">this article</a> for more detailed info.

=== Emerald cloning glitch ===

*Like previous games, Emerald has a [[Pokémon cloning|cloning glitch]] that allows players to make multiple copies of Pokémon and items only available once.

==Trivia==
*Interestingly, {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} appear in [[Fiore]] after [[Pokémon Ranger|the game's]] ending. The two seem to have been hurt in a battle, which could have taken place in [[Hoenn]].

== See also ==
*[[Staff of Pokémon Emerald]]

 
{{Main series}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Emerald|*]]
[[Category:Game Boy Advance games]]
[[Category:Third versions]]

[[de:Pokémon Smaragd]]
[[fr:Pokémon Émeraude]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターエメラルド]]
[[pl:Pokémon Emerald]]
[[pt:Pokémon Emerald]]

My Best Friends

2008-07-02T13:55:18Z

TheCakeIsALie:

'''My Best Friends''' was one of the songs in [[Pikachu's Jukebox]] during the original series. It is featured on the [[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]] CD, as well as its appearance during the credits of [[Pokémon Heroes]]. Some lyrics was also featured in ''[[Finale]]''. A non-lyrical version is featured in the game [[Pokémon Puzzle League]] as the theme song for [[Blaine]].

==Episodes==
* ''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]''
* ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]''
* ''[[EP078|A Friend in Deed]]''
* ''[[EP083|Poké Ball Peril]]''
* ''[[EP088|In the Pink]]''

==Lyrics==
<ab>''Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Here we are on a new adventure
Danger lurks somewhere in the darkness
We are set for suprises - even battle!
We're a team - no one better mess with us!

If we stand as one,
There's nothing to fear,
We'll beat the darkness,
And we'll stay right here!
Time after time,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me.

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Good friends - are those who stick together
When there's sun and in the heavy weather...

Smile after smile,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Remember, when we first met?
We had such fun, oh I never will forget...
Since then, the times are so good -
We've always stuck together like best friends should...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...''</ab>

= Credits =
* Lead vocal: Ray Greene
* BG vocals: Darcell Wilson, Ray Greene, Michael Whalen
* Produced and arranged by Michael Whalen

{{songstub}}
[[Category:Pikachu's Jukebox songs]]

My Best Friends

2008-07-02T13:54:57Z

TheCakeIsALie: Cited the inclusion in Heroes

'''My Best Friends''' was one of the songs in [[Pikachu's Jukebox]] during the original series. It is featured on the [[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]] CD, as well as its appearance during the [[Pokémon Heroes]]. Some lyrics was also featured in ''[[Finale]]''. A non-lyrical version is featured in the game [[Pokémon Puzzle League]] as the theme song for [[Blaine]].

==Episodes==
* ''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]''
* ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]''
* ''[[EP078|A Friend in Deed]]''
* ''[[EP083|Poké Ball Peril]]''
* ''[[EP088|In the Pink]]''

==Lyrics==
<ab>''Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Here we are on a new adventure
Danger lurks somewhere in the darkness
We are set for suprises - even battle!
We're a team - no one better mess with us!

If we stand as one,
There's nothing to fear,
We'll beat the darkness,
And we'll stay right here!
Time after time,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me.

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Good friends - are those who stick together
When there's sun and in the heavy weather...

Smile after smile,
That's how it will be,
Just you and me...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...

Remember, when we first met?
We had such fun, oh I never will forget...
Since then, the times are so good -
We've always stuck together like best friends should...

Till the end I will be with you,
We will go where our dreams come true,
All the times that we have been through,
You will always be my best friends...''</ab>

= Credits =
* Lead vocal: Ray Greene
* BG vocals: Darcell Wilson, Ray Greene, Michael Whalen
* Produced and arranged by Michael Whalen

{{songstub}}
[[Category:Pikachu's Jukebox songs]]

The Time Has Come (Pikachu's Goodbye)

2008-07-02T13:50:20Z

TheCakeIsALie: Inserted a citing of the song's appearance in Pokémon Heroes.

'''The Time Has Come (Pikachu's Goodbye)''' is a song first featured in ''[[EP039|Pikachu's Goodbye]]'', playing in the background of [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]'s flashbacks about {{TP|Ash|Pikachu}}. The song was also featured on the [[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]] CD and at during the end credits of [[Pokémon Heroes]].

==Important Flashbacks==
Some of the flashbacks in the episode include:

* Ash and Pikachu's first electrifying meeting in [[Oak's Lab]] (''[[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]'')
* Pikachu anxious to re-battle [[Lt. Surge]] in [[Vermilion City]] [[Pokémon Center]] after his defeat (''[[EP014|Electric Shock Showdown]]'')
* Pikachu wanting to keep battling [[Sabrina]] in [[Saffron City]] [[Gym]] against all odds (''[[EP024|Haunter Versus Kadabra]]'')
* Ash and Pikachu running from a band of angry {{p|Spearow}} (''[[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]'')
* Pikachu beating {{TP|Lt. Surge|Raichu}} by standing on its tail and avoiding Raichu's attack (''[[EP014|Electric Shock Showdown]]'')
* Ash capturing his third Pokémon, [[Ash's Pidgeot|Pidgeotto]], with Pikachu's help (''[[EP003|Ash Catches a Pokémon]]'')
* Ash trying to get Pikachu to battle [[A.J.]] (''[[EP008|The Path to the Pokémon League]]'')
* Ash and Pikachu saying goodbye to [[Ash's Butterfree|Butterfree]] (''[[EP021|Bye-Bye Butterfree]]'')
* Ash and Pikachu as ghosts in the [[Pokémon Tower]] of [[Lavender Town]] (''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]'')
* Ash training Pikachu to [[battle]] his first {{t|Fighting}} opponent, {{Ka|Anthony}}'s {{p|Hitmonchan}} (''[[EP029|The Punchy Pokémon]]'')
* Various hugs between Ash and Pikachu

==Lyrics==
<ab>''I close my eyes and I can see the day we met,
Just one moment and I knew:
You're my best friend, 'do anything for you.

We've gone so far and done so much
And I feel like we've always been together.
Right by my side through thick and thin,
You're the part of my life I'll always remember.

The time has come,
It's for the best, I know it.
Who could have guessed that you and I -
Somehow, someday, we'd have to say goodbye.

You've helped me find the strength inside
And the courage to make my dreams come true.
How will I find another friend like you?

Two of a kind, that's what we are,
And it seems like we were always winning.
But as our team is torn apart,
I wish we could go back to the beginning.

The time has come,
It's for the best, I know it.
Who could have guessed that you and I -
Somehow, someday, we'd have to say goodbye.

Somehow today, we have to say goodbye.''</ab>

= Credits =
* Lead vocal: Marti Lebow
* Guitars: Larry Saltzman
* Co-produced and arranged by John Siegler

{{songstub}}
[[Category:English songs]]

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version/Archive 1

2008-05-15T00:40:24Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Version? */

Here's my source: [http://www.pokebeach.com/#28197]. [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 21:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

:''but right now we can consider it a "rumor" until Nintendo or another source reveals new information''. That's what your source says about this. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'm really wary of this. If there is a so-called Platinum, it wouldn't be a GS remake; did the RB remake come as one game? No, it was two. It wouldn't make sense, either, as DPv3, due to its name. I also tried to visit [www.pokemonplatinum.com Pokemonplatinum.com], no site. [www.pokemonamethyst.com Pokemonamethyst.com], however... that redirects to Nintendo...

::Best possible course of action: someone contacts Beckett and asks where the hell they got the information. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::That's wierd that it redirects to Nintendo site! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 15:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::It's not unusual. Nintendo often reserve possible game names, many of which are not used. If they haven't done so for Platinum, that would be more telling. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Sounds like a job for {{wp|Gamespot}}'s Rumor Control...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Interesting.......But a new Ranger DS! That's cool! But that is good proof for Platinum Version....--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 15:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::Deleted for now: While a third game to DP is inevitable, "Platinum" is still only in rumour territory right now. As WPM pointed out, Beckett aren't that reliable for new game news. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::Besides, if we were to keep this page, we'd also need a Ranger 2 page based on the same reports. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

*Corocoro Comic's image [[http://www.filb.de/kaihou/content/20080511_corocoro-foto.jpg]]

:*sighs* The scan looks...Real. Very real. But it still could be fake |: I think everyone should just WAIT until CoroCoro is released, then make new articles + add new info. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 14:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Version? ==

Should this be titled "Pokémon Platinum Version," like all the rest? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:I hit that when I edited the Template:Main series. But the Pokémon Platinum Version was protected from being created by TTE•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete this, this is Speculation, can somone put the Delete Tag, I want OFFICAL Proof, a Corocoro scan isn't Offical proof.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 20:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:You're acting just like TTE. But he would blow his head off. We have scans of the whole magazine. but I want official proof too•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::The new Famitsu magazine came out as well with a Pokemon Platinum article. Same information. And now don't tell me someone is crazy enough to create fake scans for each magazine. [http://wiieveryday.blogspot.com/2008/05/famitsu-20080516.html] [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 21:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::There's someone crazy enough to create fake scans for each magazine. There, I told you•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree; until there is actual confirmation of anything from official sources, there shouldn't be a full page, perhaps just a discussion page, but no article. I've also seen this called Opal version, and there was a shiny photoshoped image to go with that one too! Remove this until there is proof, now. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 00:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions

2008-05-15T00:35:35Z

TheCakeIsALie: Correcting the 3rd ound info (about appeals)

''This article is about the [[Generation IV]] [[Pokémon games|games]]. For other uses, see [[Diamond and Pearl]].''
----

{{Infobox_game |
name = Pokémon Diamond and Pearl |
boxart = [[Image:Diamond-us.jpg|200px]][[Image:Pearl-us.jpg|200px]]|
caption = Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions' boxart, featuring {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. |
category = RPG |
players = 2-4 players simultaneous |
platform = [[Nintendo DS]] |
Wi-Fi compatible = Yes |
release_date_ja = September 28, 2006 |
release_date_au = June 21, 2007 |
release_date_eu = July 27, 2007<ref>http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=DK-gQHfSlatZXa1pJsBmTKyS35vdrsBS</ref>|
release_date_na = April 22, 2007 |
release_date_kr = February 14, 2008 |
publisher = [[Nintendo]]/[[The Pokémon Company]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = Everyone |
staff = yes |
stafflink = Staff of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl |
website_en = [http://pokemon-games.com/pokemondandp/ US Pokémon DP Site] |
website_ja = [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/dp/index.html ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド・パール] |
}}
{{StrategyWiki}}
'''Pokémon Diamond and Pearl''' are the first true Pokémon RPG games for the [[Nintendo DS]]. The games were released in Japan on September 28, 2006 and in North America on April 22, 2007. They take place in the region of [[Sinnoh]] and the player's starting area is [[Twinleaf Town]].
==Plot==
At the start, the player sees a newscast about a sighting of a [[Alternate coloration|red]] {{p|Gyarados}}. They then head to their [[Pearl (game)|rival's]] house and go to [[Lake Verity]] with him to see if there are any similar Pokémon living in it. Once there, two {{p|Starly}} attack. Nearby is a briefcase containing [[Starter Pokémon|three Pokémon]] that the two choose from to fight off the {{t|Flying}}-type. As is always the case, the rival takes the Pokémon that weakens the player's choice. The professor's assistant, who is the alternate-[[gender]] player character from the player, takes the remaining starter. After the Starly is defeated, the two return to Twinleaf Town with [[Professor Rowan]]'s briefcase. Back in Twinleaf Town the player's mother gives him or her running shoes and then the player leaves for Sandgem Town to return the briefcase. After meeting Professor Rowan, he gives the player the Pokémon they chose to keep and a Pokédex.

During the course of the game, there are many conflicts with the evil [[Team Galactic]] and their leader, [[Cyrus]]. When the power of {{p|Dialga}} or {{p|Palkia}} (depending on the version) begins to overwhelm Sinnoh, {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}} and {{p|Azelf}} must be summoned and the player must catch or defeat the Legendary.

==Connectivity==
*Diamond and Pearl are compatible with the [[Generation III|Game Boy Advance Pokémon RPGs]] after seeing the first 150 Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex. The GBA cartridge is inserted into the GBA slot of the Nintendo DS, while Diamond or Pearl is in its DS card slot to upload Pokémon.
*Pokémon uploads are restricted to six per 24-hour period per GBA cartridge, and the player will have to re-capture such transferred Pokémon in [[Pal Park]] located at the end of [[Route 221]] before transferring from another GBA game. Pokémon knowing any of the [[Generation III]] [[HM]] [[move]]s ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Fly}}, {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Dive}}) cannot be transferred, therefore, it is necessary to go to the [[Move Deleter]] in [[Fuchsia City]] or [[Lilycove City]] to remove them before transfer.
*The player cannot transfer any of the Pokémon back to the GBA cartridge once they are transferred to their Diamond/Pearl copy; the transfer is permanent.
*While a GBA game is in the the DS, [[dual-slot mode]] activates and it becomes possible to capture Pokémon in the wild in Sinnoh that do not natively appear, though this may only happen after the [[National Dex]] is obtained.
*The DS's native support for Wi-Fi is employed, allowing players to trade, battle and communicate using "voice chat" online.
*Diamond and Pearl feature Wi-Fi connectivity to [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], much as their predecessors connected to the [[Nintendo 64]] and [[GameCube]].
*Diamond and Pearl feature a global trading system, which allows trainers to search for any Pokémon they want, or put up one of their own Pokémon for trade for any Pokémon. Players of other games can search for the Pokémon that others have put onto the GTS.
*Diamond and Pearl feature connectivity to [[Pokémon Ranger]]. By completing a special mission in Ranger, a Manaphy [[Pokémon egg|Egg]] can be sent from Ranger to Diamond or Pearl, where it can be hatched into the legendary Pokémon, {{p|Manaphy}}.
*Diamond and Pearl also feature connection to the [[Wii|WiiWare]] title [[Pokémon Farm]], in which Pokémon can be raised in a farm-like environment.
{{-}}

==Features==
The day-night system first appearing in [[Pokémon Gold and Silver]] returns, with the same three [[time]] periods, but better transitioning between them. A new multifunction device called the [[Pokétch]], short for Pokémon Watch, is also introduced. The [[Pokémon professor|regional Professor]]'s name is [[Professor Rowan]], after [[wp:Rowan|a tree]] like the others, and he allows the player and his or her rival to keep the [[starter Pokémon]] they used against attacking wild Pokémon at the beginning of the game.

A new battle system is used for Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. In this new battle system, attacks are declared either physical or special by how the attack itself operates, i.e. whether the attack touches the enemy or not, instead of the attack type, as was previously the case. For example, {{m|ThunderPunch}} is now [[Stat#Attack|physical]] and {{m|Hyper Beam}} turns into [[Stat#Special Attack|special]]. This has been highly controversial with fans of the series, as it is considered to be "wasting" some strong Pokémon from previous generations, such as {{p|Blaziken}} and {{p|Sceptile}}, while other fans of the series hail this change as "more realistic".

Though it was reported that the games would feature {{t|Dark}}/{{t|Psychic}}/{{t|Fighting}} starters, this has been debunked. The games retain the starters in the type trio of previous generations, {{t|Grass}}/{{t|Fire}}/{{t|Water}}, this time being {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, and {{p|Piplup}}, respectively.

===Contests===
{{main|Pokémon Super Contest}}
In Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, a significant amount of changes have been made to the Pokémon contests, now known as Super Contests.

Instead of making [[Pokéblock]]s with berries, berry-flavored muffins called [[Poffin]] are made. This is done in [[Hearthome City]], though not within the contest hall, instead it is done at the Poffin House, which is near the Pokémon Center in Hearthome. Using the DS's touchscreen, players must stir the Poffin as directed by arrows that appear.

The first round of the contests themselves is similar to the first round in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, but instead of relying solely on contest stats, Pokémon must be dressed up using [[accessories]] with the stylus within a time limit. Each particular contest will require different accessories, and higher ranks may require more to be put on the Pokémon.

The second round is a dancing round, using buttons on the touch screen to either perform a dance that the others will find hard to mimic (if the player's Pokémon is the main dancer) or to copy the lead Pokémon's dance moves. Each Pokémon gets a turn at being the leader, and the leader must try to dance in time with the music, and so, obviously, so do the background dancers. The ABXY buttons will also work.

The third round is very similar to the appeals round in Generation III, and the main difference is that there are three judges. A Pokémon will get more points if it is the only Pokémon to perform for a particular judge, less if another one appeals for that judge and so on. The crowd system is still in place, but this time, each judge has a different meter, making it both potentially risky and potentially rewarding to appeal to a judge that all of the other Pokémon are appealing to. In addition, Pokémon will recieve bonus points for appeals regardless of the impression on the judge, and points are not added simply for raising a judge's "voltage."

===New gyms===
As is always the case, there are eight new [[Pokémon Gym]]s in Sinnoh, each with their own type affiliation. The new [[Gym Leader]]s are [[Roark]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Gardenia]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Maylene]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Crasher Wake]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Fantina]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Byron]] ({{t|Steel}}), [[Candice]] ({{t|Ice}}) and [[Volkner]] ({{t|Electric}}).

===Elite Four===
The new [[Elite Four]] is located at the [[Pokémon League (Sinnoh)|Pokémon League]]. The Elite trainers are [[Aaron (Elite Four)|Aaron]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Bertha]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Flint (Elite Four)|Flint]] ({{t|Fire}}) and [[Lucian]] ({{t|Psychic}}); the [[Champion]] is [[Cynthia]], who has Pokémon of mixed types.

===New Pokémon===
:: ''See [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Dex number]] and [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number]]''
As the first [[Generation IV]] games, Diamond and Pearl were the first sightings of 107 new Pokémon, bringing the total amount to 493.

The new Pokémon began being unveiled in 2004, with the release of ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'' in Japan, where {{p|Munchlax}} was revealed.

[[:Category:Generation IV Pokémon|Fourth-generation Pokémon]] continued being unveiled in 2005, with the Japanese release of ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''. The movie featured {{p|Lucario}}, {{p|Bonsly}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Weavile}}.

2006 was crunch time for the fourth generation. The ninth movie, ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', featured {{p|Manaphy}}, {{p|Mantyke}}, {{p|Buizel}} and {{p|Chatot}}, and {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} were soon confirmed to be on the two games' [[:Category:Version mascots|boxart]]. On September 27, all 107 of the new Pokémon's menu icons were revealed on [[Filb.de]].

During the week that followed the games' Japanese release, [[Serebii.net]] featured a "Discovery Trench" that revealed the names and stats of many of the previously-unknown Pokémon to the general public.

====[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Game
! Exclusives
|-
| '''Diamond'''
| {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}}, {{p|Scyther}}, {{p|Murkrow}}, {{p|Scizor}}, {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Pupitar}}, {{p|Tyranitar}}, {{p|Poochyena}}, {{p|Mightyena}}, {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Kecleon}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}}, {{p|Honchkrow}}, {{p|Stunky}}, {{p|Skuntank}}, {{p|Dialga}}
|-
| '''Pearl'''
| {{p|Slowpoke}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Pinsir}}, {{p|Slowking}}, {{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Houndour}}, {{p|Houndoom}}, {{p|Stantler}}, {{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}, {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}}, {{p|Mismagius}}, {{p|Glameow}}, {{p|Purugly}}, {{p|Palkia}}
|}

===Nintendo Event exclusives===
The following Pokémon are available only after obtaining certain items at a Nintendo sponsored event. As of this time, the only event to have been announced is one for Darkrai in Japan, which coincides with the theatrical release of [[The Rise of Darkrai|Dialga vs. Palkia vs. Darkrai]] on July 14.
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #AAAAFF"
| {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Shaymin}}, {{p|Arceus}}
|}

==Reception==
According to Famitsu, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl sold 1,586,360 units in the four days after its release. On December 27, 2006, it was announced that the two games combined became the first Nintendo DS games to hit five million units shipped.<ref>http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/12/27/103,1167202517,65081,0,0.html</ref> Additionally, in the fortnight ending December 31, 2006, the number of units sold passed four million, according to Famitsu, the first Nintendo DS game to do so.<ref>http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/top30/2007/01/11/120,1168503732,65421,0,0.html</ref>

Sales of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl in Japan exceeded the five million mark in the 29th week of sales (April 9 - 15, 2007).<ref>Bulbanews: [[n:Diamond, Pearl sales cross 5 million mark in Japan|Diamond, Pearl sales cross 5 million mark in Japan]]</ref> In the United States, over 533,000 pre-orders were taken before release<ref>http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=11981</ref>, and one million copies were sold within five days. By the end of April 2007, the US release of Pokémon Diamond had sold approximately 1.045 million copies, and Pokémon Pearl had sold approximately 712 thousand copies.<ref>Bulbanews: [[n:NPD Group sales data for April 2007 revealed|NPD Group sales data for April 2007 revealed]]</ref>

===Japanese sales===
: ''Source: [http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/ Enterbrain] via [http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/top30/ ファミ通　ゲームソフト販売本数ランキング TOP30]
{| {{bluetable2|r}}
|-
!
! Week ending
! Units sold
! Total units sold
|-
! 1
| October 1, 2006
| 1,575,266
| 1,575,266
|-
! 2
| October 8, 2006
| 466,273
| 2,041,539
|-
! 3
| October 15, 2006
| 275,494
| 2,317,033
|-
! 4
| October 22, 2006
| 231,979
| 2,549,012
|-
! 5
| October 29, 2006
| 203,214
| 2,752,226
|-
! 6
| November 5, 2006
| 183,048
| 2,935,294
|-
! 7
| November 12, 2006
| 124,738
| 3,060,032
|-
! 8
| November 19, 2006
| 101,133
| 3,161,145
|-
! 9
| November 26, 2006
| 110,946
| 3,272,091
|-
! 10
| December 3, 2006
| 100,215
| 3,372,306
|-
! 11
| December 10, 2006
| 151,036
| 3,523,342
|-
! 12
| December 17, 2006
| 225,228
| 3,748,570
|-
! 13
| colspan="3" class="c bg2" | N/A
|-
! 14
| December 31, 2006
| 554,245
| 4,302,815
|-
! 15
| January 7, 2007
| 214,274
| 4,517,089
|-
! 16
| January 14, 2007
| 58,725
| 4,575,814
|-
! 17
| January 21, 2007
| 49,050
| 4,624,864
|-
! 18
| January 28, 2007
| 48,783
| 4,673,647
|-
! 19
| February 4, 2007
| 45,467
| 4,719,114
|-
! 20
| February 11, 2007
| 43,947
| 4,763,061
|-
! 21
| February 18, 2007
| 39,553
| 4,802,614
|-
! 22
| February 25, 2007
| 33,444
| 4,836,058
|-
! 23
| March 4, 2007
| 33,470
| 4,869,528
|-
! 24
| March 11, 2007
| 28,774
| 4,898,302
|-
! 25
| March 18, 2007
| 24,119
| 4,922,421
|-
! 26
| March 25, 2007
| 27,440
| 4,949,861
|-
! 27
| April 1, 2007
| 24,641
| 4,974,502
|-
! 28
| April 8, 2007
| 22,012
| 4,996,514
|-
! 29
| April 15, 2007
| 18,874
| 5,015,388
|-
! 30
| April 22, 2007
| 20,342
| 5,035,730
|-
! 31
| colspan="3" class="c bg2" | N/A
|-
! 32
| May 6, 2007
| 61,040
| 5,096,770
|}

==Trivia==
*Pokémon Diamond and Pearl contain many references to [[wp:Internet meme|Internet memes]] and [[wp:chatspeak|chatspeak]]. One of the main translators, [[Douglas Dinsdale]], is a member of the [[wp:Something Awful|Something Awful Forums]], hence all the net lingo. There are also multiple references to the Something Awful website and community scattered throughout the game, such as one Pokémon trainer announcing "[[wp:My Tank is Fight|My Pokémon is Fight!]]". "Noob" is also used several times, "Owned" is said by a [[Team Galactic|Galactic]] grunt and [[Buck]], and ROFL is available as a speech option. Perhaps incidentally, [[Twinleaf Town]] shares its Japanese name with that of the original *chan imageboard, [[wp:Futaba Channel|2chan]].
*Diamond and Pearl are also the first main series Pokémon games not to have their cartridges colored, and the first games in which the lab of the region's [[Pokémon professor]] is not in the player's hometown.
*The Sinnoh region's starters are the first [[starter Pokémon]] which all gain a second type through evolution. Previously, two of Hoenn's starters had two types in their final forms, as did two of Kanto's, though one of Kanto's three had two types to begin with.
*Diamond and Pearl are the first games where it is safe to trade between English and Japanese versions. An example is this is shown by the fact that Japanese Pokémon from the GTS do not harm foreign language versions, and in fact, several actually add their own foreign Pokédex entry when traded.
*The leaders and Elite Four of Sinnoh don't always use Pokémon of their specialized type, mainly focusing on the use of moves that are of that type.
* Diamond and Pearl are the first Pokémon games that have some cave entrances facing east and west, such as {{si|Victory Road}} in [[Sinnoh]]. Previous generations have always had their entrances facing south, such as {{ka|Victory Road}} in [[Kanto]]. There has yet to be any cave entrances facing north, although the exits from [[Spear Pillar]] and [[Hall of Origin]] back to [[Mt. Coronet]] are north-facing.
* Diamond and Pearl are the second Pokémon games that require their saved data to be deleted before saving a new game, with the first being [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]].
* In-game data indicate that the games will be able to interact with games based in the [[Johto]] region, fueling speculation of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes|remakes of the Generation II games]].
*Korean titles for the games are '''포켓몬스터DP 디아루가''' (''Pocket Monsters DP {{tt|Diaruga|Dialga}}'') for Diamond and '''포켓몬스터DP 펄기아''' (''Pocket Monsters DP {{tt|Peolgia|Palkia}}'') for Pearl.
* Diamond and Pearl have the most [[Legendary Pokémon]] obtainable in-game, 9, and most overall, 14, of any Pokémon games.

==See also==
* Bulbanews: [[n:First Diamond, Pearl information revealed|First Diamond, Pearl information revealed]]

==External links==
<references />

 
{{Main series}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|*]]
[[Category:DS games]]

[[de:Pokémon Diamant- und Perl-Edition]]
[[fr:Pokémon Diamant et Perle]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド・パール]]
[[pl:Pokémon Diamond]]
[[pt:Pokémon Diamond e Pearl]]

M05

2008-05-15T00:09:22Z

TheCakeIsALie: Latias didn't fly by with a latias and latios, as there were two latios and 1 latias; In all likelyhod, it wasn't even the same latias.

{{EpisodePrevNext|
prevlink=Pokémon 4Ever |
prevtitle=Pokémon 4Ever |
nextlink=Jirachi: Wish Maker |
nexttitle=Jirachi: Wish Maker |
episodelist=Movies |
series=Pokémon Movies}}
[[Image:Pokehero.jpg|thumb|Movie Poster]]

{{Certificates |
movie_name = Pokémon Heroes |
mpaa_certificate = G |
bbfc_certificate = U |
ofrb_certificate = G |
regie_du_cinema = G |
eirin_certificate = General |
fsk_certificate = 6 |
aus_oflc = G |
nz_oflc = G |
ifco_certificate = G |
}}

'''Pokémon Heroes''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|水|みず}}の{{tt|都|みやこ}}の{{tt|護神|まもりがみ}} ラティアスとラティオス''' ''The Guardians of Altomare'') is the fifth [[Pokémon anime|Pocket Monsters]] movie. It features {{p|Latios}} and {{p|Latias}}.

It was released in Japan on July 13, 2002. Distributed on limited release by [[Miramax]], it opened in select American theaters on May 16, 2003.

In Latin America, it was the last Pokémon movie to be dubbed to the Spanish language; the series continued to be dubbed in México, however.

==Film Synopsis==
Two agents of [[Team Rocket]], [[Annie and Oakley]], are sent by [[Giovanni]] to the water-based city of [[Altomare]] to retrieve the [[Soul Dew]], said to contain the spirit of a {{p|Latios}}, a Legendary Pokémon. The main reason for obtaining it is to power a special machine called the Defense Mechanism of Altomare, or D.M.A. for short. Meanwhile, [[Ash Ketchum]] and his companions, [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]], [[Misty]], [[Brock]] and their Pokémon are visiting Altomare during their travels in the [[Johto region]]. Ash and Misty participate in a water chariot race through the city's canals, the Tour de Altomare. Ash, Misty and the champion [[Ross]] mostly lead the race, but the interference of two invisible Pokémon causes Ash to lose. Misty wins by an inch with her [[Misty's Corsola|Corsola]] against Ross' {{p|Wailmer}}. Ross congratulates Misty by giving her and the others a tour across the city on his gondola, telling them the legend of the city's protectors, Latios and {{p|Latias}}.

Team Rocket are also in the city but are there on vacation, but upon seeing Annie and Oakley, they decide to stalk them. The two spies are actually tracking down [[Latias (anime)|Latias]], who can shapeshift into a human girl. The two trap her with their {{p|Espeon}} and {{p|Ariados}}, but the timing arrival of Ash and Pikachu allows Latias to escape with them, outrunning Annie and Oakley's Pokémon. Latias in return leads Ash to safety but she suddenly vanishes. Ash, Misty and Brock later visit the city's museum where they meet the curator, [[Lorenzo]] who explains the city's history, where an evil Pokémon Trainer tormented the civilians with his {{p|Aerodactyl}} and {{p|Kabuto}}. But the original Latios brought water to the city, drowning the fossil Pokémon, leaving only their remains which are implanted into the museum's floor. Lorenzo shows the D.M.A. to the trio, but Ash spies a girl who looks remarkable similar, if not identical, to Latias in human form. Ash and Pikachu pursue the girl across the city, losing her, and then running into Latias, who leads them to her home hidden in the depths of the city - a beautiful garden.

However, [[Latios (anime)|Latios]] and the other girl, [[Bianca]] are hostile towards the intruders, until Lorenzo appears. Lorenzo is revealed to be Bianca's grandfather and calms everyone down. Latias reveals herself to Ash as a Pokémon and they, Pikachu and Latios play together. Lorenzo and Bianca finish the story about Altomare's history, explaining that the original Latios died when he saved the city, and left behind Latios and Latias. The Soul Dew contains his soul and is actually in that very garden, kept in a hidden pool. Lorenzo explains if it is removed, it could be used to destroy the city. Ash and Pikachu leave with Bianca, but that night, Annie and Oakley invade the garden, capturing Latios and the Soul Dew. Lorenzo and Bianca follow them to the museum where Oakley plans to use the D.M.A. to destroy the city. Latias finds Ash and alerts him of the situation. Ash, Pikachu and Latias head to the museum, escaping the city-wide lockdown but are nearly killed by the revived fossil Pokémon. Upon arriving at the museum, they find the D.M.A. out of control and Latios being used as its source, but in immense pain. Misty and Brock show up later to lend a hand as Latias uses her psychic powers to free her brother and stop the machine. However, the Soul Dew explodes and causes all the water to leave the city.

Heading outside, the group discover that a giant tidal wave is heading for the city. Latios and Latias race to stop it and use their combined psychic abilities to destroy it. However, Latios gives his life to save the city and dies after a brief farewell with Latias. Latios' soul becomes the new Soul Dew and is placed back in the garden. The next day, Ash, Misty and Brock are departing Altomare and say farewell to Lorenzo. On their way out, they spot Bianca or Latias in human form waving to them. Ash meets her at the dock where she hands him a drawing of himself and Pikachu, and then shocks both him and his friends by kissing him. Misty and Brock are left puzzled on who actually kissed Ash, Latias or Bianca. The group leave the city, Ash and Pikachu spying what looks like two Latios and Latias flying overhead.

Annie and Oakley, meanwhile, are later freed from the D.M.A. after being trapped in its control seat and sent to prison where it appears they are still scheming. Team Rocket's role was limited in this film, as they are in the next several films.

==Characters==
===Human===
* [[Ash Ketchum]]
* [[Misty]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Bianca]]
* [[Lorenzo]]
* [[Annie and Oakley|Annie]]
* [[Annie and Oakley|Oakley]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Ross]]

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Ash's Pikachu|Ash's]])
* {{p|Latios}} ([[Latios (anime)|anime]])
* {{p|Latias}} ([[Latias (anime)|anime]])
* {{p|Espeon}} ([[Annie and Oakley|Annie's]])
* {{p|Ariados}} ([[Annie and Oakley|Oakley's]])
* {{p|Aerodactyl}}
* {{p|Kabutops}}

==Movie guide==

==Character introductions==
* [[Annie and Oakley|Annie]]
* [[Annie and Oakley|Oakley]]
* [[Bianca]]
* [[Lorenzo]]
* [[Ross]]

==Important events==

==Pokémon debuts==
* {{p|Latios}}
* {{p|Latias}}
* {{p|Wailmer}}

==Trivia==
* This movie uses the same intro from Pokémon 4Ever before the movie begins
* In a similarity to [[Pokémon 4Ever]], Jessie, James and Meowth land on a protruding object, and only when Wobbuffet comes out of its Poké Ball does it break and the four of them fall.
* Director [[Kunihiko Yuyama]] looked to [[wp:Venice|Venice, Italy]] for inspiration when designing Alto Mare.
* In a throwback to [[Pokémon 2000]], Annie and Oakley are reading about [[Lawrence III]] during the credits of the movie.
* Images of {{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Celebi}} were hidden in the movie as a reference to the major Pokémon in the previous {{pkmn|movie}}s.
* This is the first movie to feature the death of a Pokémon.
* In the background of the cover there are a couple of gondolas in the water, the fact that nobody is in means that they must floating loosely around the city using the canals.
* This is the fourth [[Pokémon movie]] to air on Toon Disney. The first three were [[Jirachi: Wish Maker]], [[Destiny Deoxys]], and [[Pokémon 4Ever]].

==Errors==
* In the scene before the movie where Brock tells how Ash got Pikachu, Ash is pictured fully clothed - in the [[EP001|episode]] in question, Ash was still in his pajamas. Also, Pikachu is pictured like he and Ash already were friends. In the episode however, Pikachu hated Ash and it was first in the end they become friends.

==Dub edits==
The entire backstory of the movie was changed in the dub.
A segment of approximately two minutes, which told the story of the origin of the Soul Dew in Alto Mare's ancient history, was cut. This cut also removed the reference to the fact that many Latios and Latias came and went to and from Alto Mare frequently, causing some confusion to dub watchers when two Latios and a Latias appeared in the credits.
Replacement backstory was added in the form of dialogue telling about an evil trainer who once attacked the people of the city with a Kabutops and Aerodactyl, until Latios brought water to the town, drowning the evil Pokémon and turning the streets to canals.

Also, in the American DVD release of the movie, an intense blue tint was applied, making most of the colors much darker than in the original.

{{Movies}}


{{EpisodePrevNext|
prevlink=Pokémon 4Ever |
prevtitle=Pokémon 4Ever |
nextlink=Jirachi: Wish Maker |
nexttitle=Jirachi: Wish Maker |
episodelist=Movies |
series=Pokémon Movies}}

[[Category:Movies]]

[[de:Pokémon Heroes - Der Film]]
[[fr:Les protecteurs de la cité des eaux]]
[[ja:劇場版ポケットモンスター水の都の護神ラティアスとラティオス]]

Shipping talk:PlayfulShipping

2008-05-14T23:47:39Z

TheCakeIsALie: New page: Uhh, Mew wanted a friend/playmate, and Pikachu wanted to be back with Ash; they didn't exactly hit it off, did they? ~~~~

Uhh, Mew wanted a friend/playmate, and Pikachu wanted to be back with Ash; they didn't exactly hit it off, did they? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 23:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:KrazyShipping

2008-05-14T23:40:24Z

TheCakeIsALie:

Now we are gitting all scilly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 16:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

:It does say why it's called 'KrazyShipping', after all... >> [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is a legitimate ship. Look at any episode where Meowth and Pikachu are split from the rest of the group: They can get along surprisingly well. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Come on there both dudes! so we ship everyone that is not trying to kill each other? [[User:Cerberus/Sandbox|EarthShiping]] is more likely. We shou link to the Wiki Krazy Kat page if there is one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:Given that Meowth already thinks way too much of Giovanni and Pikachu's gender isn't confirmed, your first statement is null. As for your second statement... who says people trying to kill each other can't be shipped. ;) But seriously, the relationship between the two is actually friendly in the episodes I mentioned, which makes this far more of a possibility than a nevermetship. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

::..I kinda wish Cerberus would stop trolling random shipping pages. ._.; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well stop shiping random chatours, thes are gitting redulicus. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

:Excuse me. But you can't just say 'STOP SHIPPING THESE STUPID CHARACTERS IT'S A DUMB SHIP' just because you don't like it. Some of these are believable, as not every ship is full of thousands of hints like {{s|PokéShipping}} and {{s|AdvanceShipping}} (Etc.), and different people like different things. Sheesh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

So dos this Ship make Bunneary a Lesbian? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

:Um... no, why would it..? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Becouse then Pikachu and Bunnery are both girls. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

:Note - not everything has to be boy x girl. Meowth and Pikachu can be gay, if they want. :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Meowth is not he fell in love with a clearly female human. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Sigh... inflicting ships... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Hua? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 18:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, bloddy hell people. It's just a pathetic ship, like '''all''' the others. In a beautiful day (or rainy, whatever :/), a guy said: "oh! I'd like to see Meowth and Pikachu together.". '''All''' the shippings are '''impossible''' and '''idiots'''. But, there are '''other''' people that believe that this shipping would be real. '''[[Image:038MS.gif]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px]]''' 19:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Glass houses. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

Ah, yeah, I was angry when I post this comment above, ok? Next time, can the people ask to '''me''', not to other people? '''[[Image:038MS.gif]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px]]''' 11:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC) PS: yeah, now I'm angry again.

I did ask you. We shoud have a link to this Krizy Kat thing we named it after. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, umm... *checks that the smoke has cleared* Whew! Might I suggest that there is some evidence in the 8th movie (L&tMoM)? I don't particularly see this ship (or many) being likely or likeable, but ther is some hints... *don't kill me!* [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 23:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Shipping

2008-05-14T21:09:46Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Link */

==Dump qustion==

Is caild shiping when it's none Pokemon? Like Lufy and Nami from One Peace--[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, shipping is pretty much a universal term that is not exclusive to Pokémon. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 18:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

=Link=

Does any one else think that on the Characters page (for example, on Mistys page include a link to Pokeshipping)?--{{Ani|336}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|157}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|168}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|141}} 00:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::No, no. Shippings are just (highly agreed on) fan assumptions, such as GSDS or that Ash is gonna catch a Hippopotas. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not? It makes sense, since there is plenty of speculation already, why not at least offer a link to the appropriate shippy section? Also, is there an article that lists all ships described on Bulbapedia? 'Cause I think that might be appropriate here. (Where's altoshipping on this "favorites" list? *pout*)
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 21:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

User talk:GlinnMgraw

2008-01-07T03:52:59Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Cake */

== Language ==
Yea, we're American (well, I think. Ask and admin. I'm pretty sure we're American English). --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 12:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I just don't see the point of changing the spelling from one to the other. Ah well.

Well, we have members from all over!. Brazil, Russia, U.S.A. Malaysia, you name it. We once had a case where one of the members here spelled '''pajamas''' as '''pyjamas'''. Obviusly, that was not her fault, since that how they spell it where she lives. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 12:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You have no idea how weird that first spelling looks to a British person. Seriously. posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 08:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I'm an Aussie, and it looked really odd. Like colour and color, I guess.

== Signature ==

Please sign every comment in Talk Pages, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (four tildes). [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thats how you do it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|GlinnMgraw]] 12:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:If you want to make a different signature like mine or {{u|Theryguy512}}'s, [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] will help you in [[User:TinaTheKirlia/Fun/Sig|this page]]. [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! [[User:GlinnMgraw|GlinnMgraw]] 12:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:You're welcome! [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Userboxes help ==

Do you want help with your Userboxes, so that you can place them in your User Page like I placed mine and like {{u|Theryguy512}} placed his? [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I like them how they are. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 12:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, okay. [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Australian ==

If you're Australian, I think you can use this:
{{User Country|115|Australia|EEC226|F08030|0000FF}}
Code: <nowiki>{{User Country|115|Australia|EEC226|F08030|0000FF}}</nowiki> [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 06:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Raffle==
You won FIRST place in my raffle!! You win a team template! Please give me details about your team on on my talk page! Congrats!!
{{User:Pachirisulover12/Signiture}}08:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You know, like what pokemon you have with you mainly(in the games), their genders, items they're holding, and their moves should be all i need
{{User:Pachirisulover12/Signiture}}08:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, i'll get started right away. Can you tell me what nature they all have?
'''Pearl or Diamond version?'''
{{User:Pachirisulover12/Signiture}}08:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

'''Here it is! Sorry it took so long!'''

{{User:Pachirisulover12/Template1/Glinn}}

{{User:Pachirisulover12/Signiture}}14:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

:lol. You ripped that from Pichu lover's page. {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Like, I'd bet I could make a more widely used Template. I mean, Samrulz123, Pichu lover and I are using that one. I think the Gym Leader one should be more useful. If not, then ignore this.

It's good enough for now. However, I haven't actually seen that many, so if you want to show your wares, go ahead.
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:395.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Empoleon}}
|LV1=Lv. 80
|G1=♂
|HI1=Held Item
|M1P1={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M2P1={{m|Surf}}
|M3P1={{m|Ice Beam}}
|M4P1={{m|Hydro Pump}}

|#2=[[Image:094.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Gengar}}
|LV2=Lv. 68
|G2=♂
|HI2=Held Item
|M1P2={{m|Dream Eater}}
|M2P2={{m|Nightmare}}
|M3P2={{m|Hypnosis}}
|M4P2={{m|Shadow Ball}}

|#3=[[Image:475.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Gallade}}
|LV3=Lv. 54
|G3=♂
|HI3=Held item
|M1P3={{m|Brick Break}}
|M2P3={{m|Close Combat}}
|M3P3={{m|Leaf Blade}}
|M4P3={{m|Psycho Cut}}

|#4=[[Image:376.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Metagross}}
|LV4=76
|G4=
|HI4=Held Item
|M1P4={{m|Earthquake}}
|M2P4={{m|Meteor Mash}}
|M3P4={{m|Zen Headbutt}}
|M4P4={{m|Hammer Arm}}

|#5=[[Image:398.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Staraptor}}
|LV5=53
|G5=♀
|HI5=Held Item
|M1P5={{m|Fly}}
|M2P5={{m|Defog}}
|M3P5={{m|Close Combat}}
|M4P5={{m|Brave Bird}}

|#6=[[Image:405.png]]
|Poke6={{p|Luxray}}
|LV6=68
|G6=♂
|HI6=Held item
|M1P6={{m|Thunderbolt}}
|M2P6={{m|Thunder}}
|M3P6={{m|Flash}}
|M4P6={{m|Crunch}}
}}
So what do you think? Shorter code and neater! {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I actually had that before I had my current template. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 09:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:*slams head against wall* {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:How about Tina-dear's? {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You just left yourself open to a pot-shot from Jemar, but anyways... [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 09:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:That's what I was planning to do...
{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Header|
Color={{Beauty color}}|
Partynum=7|
TrainerPic=no|
Trainerimage=|
Gameversion=Pearl|
Trainerclass=Elite Dude|
Trainername=Glinn|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Water color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Empoleon}}|
Gender='''♂'''|
AniMS=395|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Steel Wing}}|
Move-2={{m|Surf}}|
Move-3={{m|Ice Beam}}|
Move-4={{m|Hydro Pump}}|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Ghost color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Gengar}}|
Gender='''♂'''|
AniMS=094|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Dream Eater}}|
Move-2={{m|Nightmare}}|
Move-3={{m|Hypnosis}}|
Move-4={{m|Shadow Ball}}|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Psychic color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Gallade}}|
Gender='''♂'''|
AniMS=475|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Brick Break}}|
Move-2={{m|Close Combat}}|
Move-3={{m|Leaf Blade}}|
Move-4={{m|Psycho Cut}}|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Steel color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Metagross}}|
Gender='''None'''|
AniMS=376|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Earthquake}}|
Move-2={{m|Meteor Mash}}|
Move-3={{m|Zen Headbutt}}|
Move-4={{m|Hammer Arm}}|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Flying color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Staraptor}}|
Gender='''♀'''|
AniMS=398|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Fly}}|
Move-2={{m|Defog}}|
Move-3={{m|Close Combat}}|
Move-4={{m|Brave Bird}}|
}}
|{{User:TinaTheKirlia/Team2/Pokémon|
Color={{Electric color}}|
Nickname=|
Species={{p|Luxray}}|
Gender='''♂'''|
AniMS=405|
Ball=PokeBall|
Nature=Nature|
Item=Held Item|
Move-1={{m|Thunderbolt}}|
Move-2={{m|Thunder}}|
Move-3={{m|Flash}}|
Move-4={{m|Crunch}}|
}}
|}

In other news, A Clefable that looks like a Gengar?! [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 10:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

S*** man, gotta fix that...*digs out his tools* {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 10:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks quite good, actually. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 10:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Whew...:D {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 10:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Languages ==

I was removing the Dutch and Portuguese translations because they aren't official. Pokémon games are only translated in English, French, German, Italian and Spanish (actually some of them also in Korean) so they are probably fan-made. I removed them also from [[List of moves in other languages]]. As regards the dutch names, the user who added them eventually admitted to have translated them directly from English (look at the talk page of [User:Rothma|Rothma]] Rothma). ;-) --[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 12:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I see, I see. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 12:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Raffletopia ==

You win a pic. If you don't like the one I'm giving you, ask for another. I uploaded this pic a few days ago. Enjoy.

[[Image:Fight.gif]]{{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 07:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Typical violence. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

OKay then. Stand by for data. {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 08:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

:Okay...how about this one:
[[Image:O35Pikamew.png]] {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 12:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Ph34r ==

Of course I don't. This person has a completely different personality than those vandals. But I don't want to stay unalert for much long.

== Team Template ==

Can I use that team template that you have at the bottom of your page?--[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 16:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 03:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Cake ==

Sorry about blanking my discussion page, but I was preparing to set up a basic template to use, and hadn't got around to it yet. My apologies --[[User:TheCakeIsALie|The cake is a lie but the cube is forever]] 03:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

That's alright. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 03:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

So, is it alright to remove the "welcome" section now? --[[User:TheCakeIsALie|The cake is a lie but the cube is forever]] 03:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:43:55Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Cali, and a senior in HS at El D in Visalia, so if anybody knows where in Hell that is, let me know, because it is boring here especially now that the Quest is closed.

= Notice =
If it seems like I go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes one major pastime self-evident, but aside from that:

-My username should make it obvious that I have seen through GLADOS's promises of cake and therapy

-WH40k (Space Marines)

-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)

-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything about your game.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do have an issue with it, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:40:52Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Cali, and a senior in HS at El D in Visalia, so if anybody knows where in Hell that is, let me know, because it is boring here especially now that the Quest is closed.

= Notice =
If it seems like i go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes one major pastime self-evident, but aside from that:

-My username should make it obvious that I have seen through GLADOS's promises of cake and therapy

-WH40k (Space Marines)

-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)

-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:39:35Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Cali, and a senior in HS at El D in Visalia, so if anybody knows where in Hell that is, let me know, because it is boring here especially now that the Quest is closed.

= Notice =
If it seems like i go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes on major one self-evident, but aside from that:
-My username should make it obvious that I have seen through GLADOS's promises of cake and therapy

-WH40k (Space Marines)

-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)

-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:38:41Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Cali, and a senior in HS at El D in Visalia, so if anybody knows where in Hell that is, let me know, because it is boring here especially now that the Quest is closed.

= Notice =
If it seems like i go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes on major one self-evident, but aside from that:
-My username should make it obvious that I have seen through GLADOS's promises of cake and therapy
-WH40k (Space Marines)
-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)
-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

User talk:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:37:18Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== OK Everyone ==

If anybody read my user page, and wants to request something, do so under the section marked ''Requests''. Any other comments, questions, etc. Just make a new section for it.

== Requests ==

Well, none yet... --03:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:GlinnMgraw

2008-01-07T03:28:52Z

TheCakeIsALie:

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:25:43Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage */

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==

= About Me =
Hey, I am a relatively new member here, so please don't hate me if I screw up. If anyone can help me make a better HP here, please let me know, because I really hate hand coding now that I've got Dreamweaver CS3. I am in Cali, and a senior in HS at El D in Visalia, so if anybody knows where in Hell that is, let me know, because it is boring here especially now that the Quest is closed.

= Notice =
If it seems like i go on and on sometimes, I'll tell you now: I do. I am a very opinionated person, and I have a lot to say. If you don't like what I do say, don't act like flamebait; just leave, because I don't want to waste time sorting through crap here.

= Furthermore =
I will post anything relevant on my talk page if it is subject to time, or change in general. This is more of a "reference of me" kind of place.

= Hobbies =
Well, I'd say that having a username here makes on major one self-evident, but aside from that:
-WH40k (Space Marines)
-Wii (Mostly LoZ:TP until Brawl comes out, although BattleRev is worth getting too)
-Gamecube (Yes, I still have one, or the games/controllers at least)

= Meh =
I don't exactly know if Bulbapedia has any policies like the Serebii Gestapo do, but I DO have Pokésav, and an Action Replay, so if you have any requests for Pokémon, items, or anything else transferable via WiFi, or if you are in range of me physically (see above) I can basically change anything.

= My Stance On Cheating =
My stance on it is that it only speeds up the inevitable: you ''could'' spend months on end of selective breeding to obtain your ultimate fighting machine, or you could save yourself lots of time, energy, and frustration, and just skip the process. As long as it's stats, moveset, etc. are naturally obtainable, I have no problem with "hacked" Pokémon. If you do, please do everyone a favor and ''get over it''! I mean, how can you tell the difference between a legitimate Pokémon and one that was cheated in? When you can point out which ONE of my team was not legit, THEN I'll give you some credit, but until then stop griping. And that, ladies and gentlemen is my stance on cheating in Pokémon.

User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Jan-Feb 08

2008-01-07T03:05:05Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Abilities */

==Top section==
{{:User:TTEchidna/Archive}}
{{:User:TTEchidna/Trades}}
Everyone, please. If there's a vandal, IM me. If there's a problem, I'm not the only one who you can contact. See [[Special:Listusers/sysop|these guys]]. And let's see if we can hold onto this talk page until at ''least'' my birthday. Thanks.

==Not quite top section==
And when's that? [[Image:Ani144MS.gif]] [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] [[Image:Ani249MS.gif]] 09:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:March the 7th...{{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well looking at the archives above, I'm going to have to wish you good luck with trying to keep discussion down here. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 11:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yea lol. Before we came, you didn't have to archive your talk page! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I have an suggestion, when your done training your other Pyschos, try making a Hitmonchan one, They have the boltbeam combo with the elemtail punches, They can destory Blissy in one shot if you have a good fighting type punching attack if the ability is Iron Fist AND you don't have a single fighting type Pyscho yet.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 15:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:There's a pattern with the Psychos. Psychic/Psycho Boost/Psycho Cut, a 1/2 HP recovery move, and two other moves. Hitmonchan can't learn either. But no need to worry, I've got a Fighting-type Psycho on the way... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
== Type Combos ==

Well, it's been over a month now, so I thought it would be time to show you how far I've gotten. (Not very! XD)

[[User:Tesh/Type|CLICK HERE]] <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 15:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:Not too far yet, but good, good. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

== Character Template ==

Well, I'm just full of good (or not) ideas for templates. Although often unnecessary, a link template for human characters (manga, anime, and otherwise) could come in handy. For instance, <nowiki>{{c|Berlitz}}</nowiki> would link to [[Berlitz]]. Sorry if I'm clogging your talk page with useless shit, but sometimes it's useful! -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 22:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:[[Template:C]]'s already taken. It serves the same purpose as [[Template:TCG]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

::In that case, <nowiki>{{ca|Berlitz}}</nowiki>. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 23:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:{{template|an}} is for anime, {{template|ga}} is for games, {{template|special}} is for Special characters. {{template|PiPiPi}} is for PiPiPi characters, {{template|CCP}} is for CCP characters... oy, the {{bp|shortlinks}} number so many now. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

== Abilities ==

Um... About the discussion about the breeding, you seemed a little tense. Are you okay?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 06:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:YES. Because if that gets mentioned soon we'll have a [[truck]] fiasco all over again. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::Okay... I'm gonna go get the little men... with the big net. Don't move. |: {{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 06:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sorry if I caused trouble, but I wasn't entirely sure so I posted in the talk page first, so at least it wasn't a main article, right? Also, I just got a copy of Prima's guide, and it says that they aren't. I can't tell which to trust, so please help me out here, as I don't like to breed very often. --[[User:TheCakeIsALie|The cake is a lie but the cube is forever]] 03:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Not important but... ==

I love you--[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 11:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Is it ok for you for me to create a dusguise account, Mia_Banker_mia? its only temporary... I'm hiding... please answer
:Okay, fine...{{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 11:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::WTF? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px]]''' 18:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:::At least this page isn't crashing my browser anymore...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Uh. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I really love you --[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)I never get tired of tricking people with the words "I love you" and people believe it. Bwuhhahaha

Okay? Why do I see words when I highlight the Sig?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that you fell for it. It was an IQ test (when it comes to true or false). Everybody knows (at school) I HATE multiple accounts because I have to take care of that so this entire thing was a test no hard feelings and there will be NO mia count thing... And everybodies' score is 4 out of 10%. But your all clever to get the white text... Who here knew that I was just tricking you raise you right leg (another test who ever did that got a small score)... No hard feelings every one... oh yeah... the leaving part... it's true... see you guys in uh... 9000 minutes --[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. What I said about "I love You" Thing its creppy but its true (but it meant I love you as a great editor.) --[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay!!??? *cough* *cough* <s>*crazy*</s> *cough*

Whats so weird about loving people as brothers and sisters? I'm not a... Oh! I get what you mean.. you think im a... nevermind. Conversation Over, period, end of story, and forget i said i love you... *echoe*

Huh? I have no idea what you just said. And I was joking of course. But it's nothing compared to what Ivan would say.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Before I leave... is it normal for me to eat rat filled with strawberry jam... It's so chewy and you should try it sometime...--[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Out of Strawberry Jam. Will Grape work?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Let's get chuffing the gross way! --[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Sigh.. imo, you shouldn't spam TTE's page when he just archived it.. >_> It'd be nice if this page didn't take forever to load for a few days, yknow. ._. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah and I also have a pet hamster as an appetizer and a guinie pig as desert.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That means... my computer is really fast because you said it was very slow to load (wow it rhymed!) but in my computer it only takes a second!!! I'm so shocked! What should I do to make it slower? I want to be like every computer in the world!!! *murmurs to himself*I'm not an out cast...*finished murmuring*
:No, it's loading fast. It's just that this is very rare, as TTE's talk page usually takes forever to load. Hopefully we can keep it this way for a bit. e_e {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
End of conversation before my laptop blows up when trying to load it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

But why in my computer it's faster to reload. And why wont we just get rid of this section? --[[Image:251.png]]Jemar[[Image:251.png]] 02:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

First thing, it feels like the page is fully loaded before i even click it. My computer is very fast. Go to his archives and it takes a while to load. I'm just saying not to overload the talkpage.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:.airameJ redrum...semitemos driew sgniht yas od I, eurT {{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 09:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sigh... ==
Okay, since you're not on AIM, I'll just tell you here. [[User:MysteryHeff?]] just created an article called [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen Dumptruck]]. Right away, you know it's bad. Can you please delete it and ban [[User:MysteryHeff?]]???? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

ARGH! He recreated the exact article under [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGrean Dumptruck‎]]. Delete it and ban him, please. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Anime episode page consistancy ==

I've noticed in the Anime pages in the first paragraph (where it says the first date it was aired), that that
part is not worded the same throughout. If I would change them from ex: "It first broadcast in Japan on
January 1, 2006, and it is schedueled to air on January 29, 2007 in the US" to "It first aired in Japan on
January 1, 2006 and in the United States on January 29, 2007," would you mind? [[u|Moldy orange]] 00:10 4 January 2008

:Hold your hourses! (NAY!!!!!) We can program a bot to do that. Please submit your suggestion on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=7327&page=2 this page]. Thank you. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::No! Bots = bad. I wanna beat BulbaBot again and keep the lead. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Go ahead!! You can change it if you want. I already changed the ones in AG that said it is schedueled to air, but that is all I did. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:06, 4 January 2008

== Welcome Template Suggestion ==
Since many users have welcome templates to put on new user's tak pages, like [[User:Theryguy512/Welcome|mine]], why don't we pile the ideas and create one offical one. We could make it like <code><nowiki>{{Welcome|Theryguy512}}</nowiki></code>, but it would show the same text as <code><nowiki>{{Welcome|Shiny Noctowl}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{Welcome|TinaTheKirlia}}</nowiki></code>, but just have the end like <code><nowiki>this is an automatic message from-''whoever put the template on the talk page''</nowiki></code>. Do you get what I mean? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Sure. I'll put one together this weekend, all right? {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 03:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::I think one was already made.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 03:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::...really? I just looked up 'Template:Welcome' and I got nothin. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 04:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Ask Theryguy512. He has been puting them on some users.
:::::It's his own personal thingy. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Shiny Noctowl did the same{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::On Agggron's talk page i think{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, on mine. {{:User:Agggron/sig}}
:::::::::Well, I'm making one now. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== This page ==

Can you delete [[FireRed / LeafGreen Wild Pokémon Modiifier|this page]]?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

==Garchomp in Brawl???==
Since when was it confirmed to be in Brawl? Do you know? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 11:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:I believe you mean ''it'', you were never mentioned to appear in Brawl, my dear Ryguy...{{:User:Optimus35/sig}} 12:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::Garchomp was confirmed to be in Brawl at the Jump Fiesta event in Japan. [http://www.brawlcentral.com/] [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Welcome template ==

Uh... your signature is in the {{template|Welcome}} template.. could you edit it out? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:My signature? Odd... I thought I forced it as an <includeonly>... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:::No, I don't think it's actually '''in''' the template. He just signed because '''he''' was the one that added it to that particular user's page. If I added the welcome template to a new user's page, I would sign with my signature. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 22:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, it is, but I'm trying to make a signature hack to automate it. One of you, put {{code|<nowiki>{{:User:TTEchidna/sig hack}}</nowiki>}} after your next message. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig hack}}

:::::Okay! Here goes... -{{:User:TTEchidna/sig hack}}

::::::Thanks for making the template! --[[Image:Trozeiani056.gif]][[Image:Trozeiani351.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''[[Image:Trozeiani156.gif]][[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC) {{:User:TTEchidna/sig hack}}
Seems like it's not working. We'll have to sign normally. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:That works too. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::Testing... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig hack}}
::Nope. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Course it doesn't! The nowiki thingy overides the <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code> so...Trust me. I've tried it with the include... '''[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Optim]][[User:Optimus35|Иван]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♫]]''' 08:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC) '''[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Optim]][[User:Optimus35|Иван]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♫]]''' 08:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

An you please answer the questions that I asked on [[Template talk:Welcome]] when you get back? Thanks. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 21:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Great Turkey Shot ==

When does the poll end about the ph34r situation?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:...what. Poll. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot. Talk Page. Bottom.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes. WHAT POLL. {{bp|Polls}}, plz. Follow guidelines. I never made the poll, I asked opinions! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoa. Ivan actually made the poll.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::All I did was ask an opinion. Polls are not needed for fricking everything. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes I know. I think Tina said it. We were having a discussion until Ivan made a poll, saying that we should do this the right way.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::The right way is a discussion. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Understood. So do we abolish the Poll?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Go for it, I guess. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Okay that can be taken as a yes or a no.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I said go for it. Say "no poll" and start a new section talking about the turkey shoot's deletion. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 01:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Now understood.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Regarding my Grammar ==

Sorry, English is my second language, but I'll proofread next time. Thanks for fixing that paragraph though. [[User:Koolboyman|Koolboyman]] 03:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Drew's Butterfree]] ==

Deletion or no? I say no, as [[Drew]] isn's a COTD, and I just reverted a pro-deletion edit, but you, as a sysop, have the final say. Exercise your supreme power! -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 03:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Putting a deletion template on a page doesn't automatically mean it's going to be deleted. It basically leaves a note for a sysop to check it out and see whether it should stay or not.

:And Drew's Butterfree is COMPLETELY unnotable. No Drew isn't a COD but he's not a main character either. Rival's should only have articles on their NOTE WORTHY Pokémon. Look at Gary. He's more notable than Drew is but he only has articles for a couple of his Pokémon. And some of them are more notable than Drew's Butterfree. What did it do? It was in for one frickin episode and now we're mostly likely NEVER going to see it again. I'm against creating articles for unnotable rival Pokémon. And to top it all off, this page was deleted before meaning that the rules were broken when it was recreated. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 04:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
----
Also, could you help resolve the dispute regarding [[Powerhouse]]? The others don't seem to respect {{u|Unown Lord}}'s authority as much as your own, perhaps because he's not as active. A protection order would be helpful. Thanks a lot. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 03:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ack. I'm not the final say, nor am I the only say. We should discuss both. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Is Zhen Lin the final say? There's a discussion on his talk page.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Technically. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Who's Online ==

Ack! I can't believe I just asked Xzelion about how to set up the Who's Online Wiki Extension! I am so dead.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 06:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ummm... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

*Xzelion and Porplemontage = Archaic and possible Zhen Lin
*Cobold = TTEchidna
*Pokemon DP = Fabu-Vinny

I'm Scared.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Why? It's not like you're asking George Bush to bomb someone or something. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's just that I'm scared to go to someone with such power. XZ and PM created Super Mario Wiki. It's just that I'm scared of being blocked.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any idea what this says?[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online]{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, um... it's... the extension. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm getting the feeling that you don't. Good Night. 1:30 in the morning here.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, from what I can gather you're supposed to stick [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online#Save_the_following_in_your_.2Fextensions.2F_directory this code] into a file called <code>extensions/WhosOnline.php</code> and add <code>require_once("extensions/WhosOnline.php");</code> into your <code>LocalSettings.php</code>. [[Image:Ani201QuMS.gif]] '''<code>[[User:Abwayax|abwayax]] ([[User talk:Abwayax|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Abwayax|c]])</code>''' [[Image:Ani201ExMS.gif]] 07:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::But I'm not the one who sticks the code in! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I kinda figured that, as Pokémaniac102 was the one asking. Maybe I shouldn't be so hasty as to involve myself in conversations I have no place in... [[Image:Ani201QuMS.gif]] '''<code>[[User:Abwayax|abwayax]] ([[User talk:Abwayax|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Abwayax|c]])</code>''' [[Image:Ani201ExMS.gif]] 08:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Zhen's the guy in charge. He's the coder, I am but a not-so-lowly something like third in command. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::heh, I just thought I'd help because I have some MediaWiki experience myself. [[Image:Ani201QuMS.gif]] '''<code>[[User:Abwayax|abwayax]] ([[User talk:Abwayax|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Abwayax|c]])</code>''' [[Image:Ani201ExMS.gif]] 08:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Um, wasn't I the original one to ask this question on Zhen Lin's talk page????? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 14:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Ash crossdressing pic==
Hey, where exactly did you get that picture of ash crossdressing in DP062? I'm just curious, that's all. {{User:Pachirisulover12/Signiture}}22:29, 06 January 2008 (UTC)
:Took it from the episode preview that aired at the end of DP061. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::I already told her that. No need.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== MissingNo. ==

That article actually got protected. Who knew.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 01:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T03:01:42Z

TheCakeIsALie: /* Welcome */

User:TheCakeIsALie

2008-01-07T02:56:39Z

TheCakeIsALie:

== TheCakeIsALie's Bulbapedia Homepage ==