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Area Zero

2024-10-01T18:07:54Z

Tempest370: /* Area Zero Underdepths */

{{redirect|Area 0|the area in [[Pokémon Picross]]|Puzzle (Picross 3DS)#Area 00|Puzzle (Picross 3DS) → Area 00}}
{{samename|the area in [[Pokémon Picross (Game Boy Color)]]|Puzzle (Picross GBC)#Area 0: Home|Puzzle (Picross GBC) → Area 0: Home}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Upper Area Zero.png
|type=land
|location_name=Area Zero
|japanese_name=エリアゼロ
|translated_name=Area Zero
|location=[[Great Crater of Paldea]]
|region=Paldea
|mapsize=300px
|map=Paldea Great Crater of Paldea Map.png
|generation={{gen|IX}}
}}

'''Area Zero''' (Japanese: '''エリアゼロ''' ''Area Zero'') is an area located within the [[Great Crater of Paldea]] at the center of the [[Paldea]] [[region]]. It is initially accessed from the [[Zero Gate]]. After the {{player}} has entered Area Zero for the first time, they may also enter it by falling through the clouds over the Great Crater of Paldea.

The area is strictly off-limits to most people, though the [[Flying Taxi]] service still covers it. An official school rule, explicitly stated by Director [[Clavell]], forbids any student of [[Naranja Academy]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Uva Academy]]{{sup/9|V}} from entering Area Zero during the Treasure Hunt due to the aggressive {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that live there and the hazardous geography of the area. It contains various [[wild Pokémon]], including [[Paradox Pokémon]], that usually cannot be encountered anywhere else. Additionally, it is where the [[Terastal phenomenon]] originated; [[Tera Orb]]s are made out of the crystals found in Area Zero. Furthermore, if the player Terastallizes their own Pokémon within Area Zero, the Tera Orb will automatically be recharged at the end of the {{pkmn|battle}}.

During the events of [[The Indigo Disk]], the player is accompanied by [[Briar]], [[Carmine]], and [[Kieran]] to the [[Area Zero Underdepths]], a location below the [[Zero Lab]], and by extension, Area Zero.
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==History==
[[File:Lower Area Zero.png|thumb|left|250px|The depths of Area Zero]]
2,000 years ago, the Paldean emperor attempted many expeditions into Area Zero, starting off the Great Age of Exploration. The reason was due to a rumor, claiming there was treasure located at the bottom. However, this decision led to the empire declining after 1,000 years. 800 years later, [[Heath]] and the Area Zero expedition team would be the first to reach Area Zero's bottom. Here, Heath proceeds to take many notes on the area, [[Herba Mystica]], the various wild Pokémon and first encounter with the mysterious [[Paradox Pokémon]]. He would later record his research into the [[Scarlet Book]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Violet Book]]{{sup/9|V}}. However, people accused Heath of fabricating his story, and the whole expedition was widely discredited. The expedition team also took the Herba Mystica with them outside of the crater for a research project. The project failed due to local Pokémon consuming the herbs and transforming into the [[Titan Pokémon]].

60 years after the expedition, the [[Terastal phenomenon]] would be discovered for the first time in Area Zero. However, the phenomenon could not be achieved outside of Area Zero. 53 years later, a research station was built in Area Zero in order for research to be continued at the location. Ten years before the events of {{g|Scarlet and Violet}}, [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} started an expedition into Area Zero, setting up the [[Zero Lab]]. The professor would find a way to achieve the Terastal phenomenon outside of Area Zero through the use of [[Tera Orb]]s. Eventually, the professor moved permanently into the Zero Lab to continue more research on Area Zero and the Paradox Pokémon as part of the Tera Project, leaving their son [[Arven]] behind to take care of himself. Not long before the events of the game, Arven would enter Area Zero in an attempt to find his parent, only for his {{p|Mabosstiff}} to be attacked by a creature he describes as either "rampaging"{{sup/9|S}} or "metallic, machine"{{sup/9|V}}. This injures it to the point where all attempts at using traditional medicine failed to heal it, until he decides to ask the {{player}} for assistance, setting into motion the events of the game.

==Places of interest==
===Research Stations===
There are four Research Stations located around Area Zero. They are facilities constructed 87 years ago as way stations for those surveying Area Zero. Upon entering Area Zero for the first time, [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} requests that the {{player}}, [[Arven]], [[Nemona]], and [[Penny]] visits all four Research Stations to deactivate the locks of the [[Zero Lab]], where they reside. Each of the Research Stations has a [[warp tile]] which can teleport the player to the [[Zero Gate]] or any of the other Research Stations, if they have already been visited. There is also a bed in each, where the player can rest and heal their [[party]].

Each Research Station has journals which describe Professor Sada's{{sup/9|S}}/Professor Turo's{{sup/9|V}} efforts in studying {{Tera}}stallization, [[Terastal energy]], [[Paradox Pokémon|ancient Pokémon]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Paradox Pokémon|future Pokémon]]{{sup/9|V}}, and {{p|Terapagos|the being linked to the Terastallization}}.
:''See also: [[Area Zero journals]]''

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===Zero Lab===
{{main|Zero Lab}}
The Zero Lab is where Professor Sada{{sup/9|S}}/Professor Turo{{sup/9|V}} conducted their research. It is located at the very bottom of Area Zero. It's also where the Professor built their [[time machine]], allowing them to bring ancient Pokémon{{sup/9|S}}/future Pokémon{{sup/9|V}} to Area Zero. Through the [[Indigo Disk]], the lab's elevator can move down to [[Area Zero Underdepths]].

===Strange symbols===
In a huge cavern, strange symbols have been inscribed into its ground. It's unknown who or what inscribed them there, but [[Heath]] pondered if they could have been left by past explorers sent by the Paldean empire or even older still.

===Metal plate===
A big metalic plate inscribed with symbols similar to Paldea's present day map located in the same cavern the previous strange symbols were inscribed in. The material the plate is made of is extremely resistant and it's unknown how and why it was created.

===Area Zero Underdepths===
[[File:Area Zero Underdepths.png|thumb|200px|The Area Zero's Underdepths]]
{{Main|Area Zero Underdepths}}
Area Zero Underdepths is a large cavern and an extension of Area Zero. It's located about 3,300 feet (1 kilometer) under the surface and appears to have formed about 2 million years ago. It is located under the Zero Lab and by extension, under Area Zero itself. It is solely inhabited by {{p|Glimmet}}, {{p|Glimmora}}, {{p|Carbink}}, and a few wild {{Tera}}stallized Pokémon. It is also where the last of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Terapagos}} slumbers.
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==Items==

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===On the ground===
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{{itemlist|Dusk Stone SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Dusk Stone]]}}
{{itemlist|Shiny Stone SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Shiny Stone]]}}
{{itemlist|Bright Powder SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Bright Powder]]}}
{{itemlist|Sitrus Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Sitrus Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Apicot Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Apicot Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Ganlon Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Ganlon Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Liechi Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Liechi Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Petaya Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Petaya Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Salac Berry SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Salac Berry]]}}
{{itemlist|Hyper Potion SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Hyper Potion]]}}
{{itemlist|Burn Heal SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Burn Heal]]}}
{{itemlist|Mint Attack SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Adamant Mint]]}}
{{itemlist|Mint Defense SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Bold Mint]]}}
{{itemlist|Mint Speed SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Naive Mint]]}}
{{itemlist|Quick Ball SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Quick Ball]]}}
{{itemlist|Luxury Ball SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Luxury Ball]]}}
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===TM Materials===
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{{itemlist|TM Material|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[TM Material|Pichu Fur]]}}
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===TMs===
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{{itemlist|TM Flying SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|027|Aerial Ace}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Fire SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|038|Flame Charge}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Dark SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|062|Foul Play}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Dragon SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|078|Dragon Claw}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Fairy SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|079|Dazzling Gleam}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Ground SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|084|Stomping Tantrum}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Steel SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|093|Flash Cannon}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Flying SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|097|Fly}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Dragon SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|100|Dragon Dance}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Rock SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|101|Power Gem}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Poison SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|102|Gunk Shot}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Grass SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|111|Giga Drain}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Ghost SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|114|Shadow Ball}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Ground SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|133|Earth Power}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Grass SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|137|Grassy Terrain}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Psychic SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|138|Psychic Terrain}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Dark SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|140|Nasty Plot}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Water SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|142|Hydro Pump}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Ice SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|143|Blizzard}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Ground SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|149|Earthquake}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Rock SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|150|Stone Edge}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Normal SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|152|Giga Impact}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Dragon SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|156|Outrage}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Fighting SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|158|Focus Blast}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Grass SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|159|Leaf Storm}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Psychic SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|161|Trick Room}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Normal SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|161|Hyper Beam}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Fire SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|165|Flare Blitz}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Steel SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|170|Steel Beam}}}}
{{itemlist|TM Normal SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display={{TM|171|Tera Blast}}}}
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==Pokémon==
===Upper Field===
[[File:Area Zero Upper Field SV.png|thumb|250px|The Upper Field]]
From the entrance of Area Zero to just before Research Station No. 2, the following Pokémon can spawn.
{{Catch/header/9|land}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0026|Raichu|type1=electric|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0049|Venomoth|type1=bug|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|52-56|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|52-55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0189|Jumpluff|type1=grass|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Jumpluff|groupnum=0189}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0203|Girafarig|type1=normal|type2=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0308|Medicham|type1=fighting|type2=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20|group=100|groupmon=Meditite|groupnum=0307}}
{{Catch/entry9|0628|Braviary|type1=normal|type2=flying|yes|yes|sky=yes|54-56|15|all=15|group=10|groupmon=Braviary|groupnum=0628}}
{{Catch/entry9|0670-White|Floette|form=White Flower|type1=fairy|yes|yes|overland=yes|52-56|15|all=15|group=40|groupmon=Floette|groupnum=0670-White|groupform=White Flower}}
{{Catch/entry9|0823|Corviknight|type1=flying|type2=steel|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0873|Frosmoth|type1=ice|type2=bug|yes|yes|overland=yes|52-56|5|all=5}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/entry9|0981|Farigiraf|type1=normal|type2=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Girafarig|groupnum=0203}}
{{Catch/entry9|0985|Scream Tail|notename=gameclear|note=This Pokémon only appears after beating the main story|type1=fairy|type2=psychic|yes|no|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0988|Slither Wing|notename=gameclear|type1=bug|type2=fighting|yes|no|land=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0991|Iron Bundle|notename=gameclear|type1=ice|type2=water|no|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0992|Iron Hands|notename=gameclear|type1=fighting|type2=electric|no|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0994|Iron Moth|notename=gameclear|type1=fire|type2=poison|no|yes|overland=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ri}}
{{Catch/entry9|0055|Golduck|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0134|Vaporeon|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|52-62|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0334|Altaria|type1=dragon|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|52-60|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Swablu|groupnum=0333}}
{{Catch/entry9|0419|Floatzel|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|52-60|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Buizel|groupnum=0418}}
{{Catch/entry9|0886|Drakloak|type1=dragon|type2=ghost|no|yes|overland=yes|52-60|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Dreepy|groupnum=0885}}
{{Catch/entry9|0973|Flamigo|type1=flying|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|52-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ro}}
{{Catch/entry9|0232|Donphan|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Phanpy|groupnum=0231}}
{{Catch/entry9|0430|Honchkrow|type1=dark|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|morning=0|day=0|group=100|groupmon=Murkrow|groupnum=0198}}
{{Catch/entry9|0628|Braviary|type1=normal|type2=flying|yes|yes|sky=yes|54-56|15|all=15|group=10|groupmon=Braviary|groupnum=0628}}
{{Catch/entry9|0663|Talonflame|type1=fire|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0673|Gogoat|type1=grass|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Gogoat|groupnum=0673}}
{{Catch/entry9|0701|Hawlucha|type1=fighting|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|60|all=60}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745|Lycanroc|form=Midday Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0879|Copperajah|type1=steel|yes|yes|land=yes|52-53|20|all=20|group=100|groupmon=Cufant|groupnum=0878}}
{{Catch/entry9|0920|Lokix|type1=bug|type2=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|52-55|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0933|Naclstack|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|60|all=60|group=100|groupmon=Nacli|groupnum=0932}}
{{Catch/entry9|0934|Garganacl|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0989|Sandy Shocks|notename=gameclear|type1=electric|type2=ground|yes|no|land=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0995|Iron Thorns|notename=gameclear|type1=rock|type2=electric|no|yes|land=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/footer/9|land}}

===Lower Field===
[[File:Area Zero Lower Field SV.png|thumb|250px|The Lower Field]]
Between Research Station No. 2 and the cloud layer that separates the depths of Area Zero, the following Pokémon will spawn.

{{Catch/header/9|land}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0026|Raichu|type1=electric|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0049|Venomoth|type1=bug|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|55-59|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0203|Girafarig|type1=normal|type2=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0628|Braviary|type1=normal|type2=flying|yes|yes|sky=yes|55-59|15|all=15|group=10|groupmon=Braviary|groupnum=0628}}
{{Catch/entry9|0637|Volcarona|type1=bug|type2=fire|yes|yes|overland=yes|59|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0670-White|Floette|form=White Flower|type1=fairy|yes|yes|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15|group=40|groupmon=Floette|groupnum=0670-White|groupform=White Flower}}
{{Catch/entry9|0823|Corviknight|type1=flying|type2=steel|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|55-58|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/entry9|0981|Farigiraf|type1=normal|type2=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Girafarig|groupnum=0203}}
{{Catch/entry9|0985|Scream Tail|notename=gameclear|note=This Pokémon only appears after beating the main story|type1=fairy|type2=psychic|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0986|Brute Bonnet|notename=gameclear|type1=grass|type2=dark|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0991|Iron Bundle|notename=gameclear|type1=ice|type2=water|no|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0992|Iron Hands|notename=gameclear|type1=fighting|type2=electric|no|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ri}}
{{Catch/entry9|0055|Golduck|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0134|Vaporeon|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0284|Masquerain|type1=bug|type2=flying|yes|yes|overland=yes|55-59|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0334|Altaria|type1=dragon|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Swablu|groupnum=0333}}
{{Catch/entry9|0419|Floatzel|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Buizel|groupnum=0418}}
{{Catch/entry9|0625|Bisharp|note=This Pokémon will always be carrying a [[Leader's Crest]]|type1=dark|type2=steel|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawniard|groupnum=0624}}
{{Catch/entry9|0625|Bisharp|type1=dark|type2=steel|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0886|Drakloak|type1=dragon|type2=ghost|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Dreepy|groupnum=0885}}
{{Catch/entry9|0939|Bellibolt|type1=electric|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Tadbulb|groupnum=0938}}
{{Catch/entry9|0973|Flamigo|type1=flying|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ro}}
{{Catch/entry9|0232|Donphan|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Phanpy|groupnum=0231}}
{{Catch/entry9|0323|Camerupt|type1=fire|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20|group=100|groupmon=Numel|groupnum=0322}}
{{Catch/entry9|0430|Honchkrow|type1=dark|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|morning=0|day=0|group=100|groupmon=Murkrow|groupnum=0198}}
{{Catch/entry9|0628|Braviary|type1=normal|type2=flying|yes|yes|sky=yes|55-59|15|all=15|group=10|groupmon=Braviary|groupnum=0628}}
{{Catch/entry9|0663|Talonflame|type1=fire|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0673|Gogoat|type1=grass|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Gogoat|groupnum=0673}}
{{Catch/entry9|0701|Hawlucha|type1=fighting|type2=flying|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|60|all=60}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745|Lycanroc|form=Midday Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0920|Lokix|type1=bug|type2=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|55|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0933|Naclstack|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|60|all=60|group=100|groupmon=Nacli|groupnum=0932}}
{{Catch/entry9|0934|Garganacl|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0989|Sandy Shocks|notename=gameclear|type1=electric|type2=ground|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0995|Iron Thorns|notename=gameclear|type1=rock|type2=electric|no|yes|land=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/footer/9|land}}

===Small Cave===
[[File:Area Zero Small Cave SV.png|thumb|250px|The entrance to the Small Cave]]
After exiting Research Station No. 2, walk to the left, and then continue going up the grassy hill. The following Pokémon will spawn inside. Despite appearing as a cave, several Prairie spawners can be found inside.

{{Catch/header/9|cave}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|52-55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ca}}
{{Catch/entry9|0051|Dugtrio|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0197|Umbreon|type1=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|1|morning=0|day=0|evening=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0215|Sneasel|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|50|all=50|group=80|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0302|Sableye|type1=dark|type2=ghost|yes|yes|land=yes|52-55|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0444|Gabite|type1=dragon|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Gible|groupnum=0443}}
{{Catch/entry9|0461|Weavile|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|3|all=3|group=100|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0633|Deino|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|52-54|30|all=30}}
{{Catch/entry9|0634|Zweilous|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|52-56|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745-Midnight|Lycanroc|form=Midnight Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|52-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0758|Salazzle|type1=poison|type2=fire|yes|yes|land=yes|52|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Salandit|groupnum=0757}}
{{Catch/entry9|0969|Glimmet|type1=rock|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|52-55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0987|Flutter Mane|note=Due to a quirk in the spawning mechanics, when it is [[Time|day]], Flutter Mane will spawn and despawn so rapidly that they will not appear visible to the player at all, unless the player is in a [[Union Circle]] session, in which case they will appear briefly. This behavior does not apply to {{Shiny}} Flutter Mane, as Shiny Pokémon are immune to being despawned by such mechanics, nor does it apply during [[Time|night]].<ref name="flutter"/>|type1=ghost|type2=fairy|yes|no|overland=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0993|Iron Jugulis|type1=dark|type2=flying|no|yes|overland=yes|52-56|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/footer/9|cave}}

===Station No. 3 Cave===
[[File:Area Zero Station 3 Cave SV.png|thumb|250px|The Station No. 3 Cave]]
After exiting Research Station No. 3, to the immediate right is a cave where the following Pokémon spawn. Despite appearing as a cave, several Prairie spawners can be found inside.

{{Catch/header/9|cave}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|55-58|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ri}}
{{Catch/entry9|0055|Golduck|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0134|Vaporeon|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0419|Floatzel|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Buizel|groupnum=0418}}
{{Catch/entry9|0886|Drakloak|type1=dragon|type2=ghost|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Dreepy|groupnum=0885}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ca}}
{{Catch/entry9|0051|Dugtrio|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0197|Umbreon|type1=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|morning=0|day=0|evening=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0215|Sneasel|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|50|all=50|group=80|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0302|Sableye|type1=dark|type2=ghost|yes|yes|land=yes|55|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0444|Gabite|type1=dragon|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Gible|groupnum=0443}}
{{Catch/entry9|0461|Weavile|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|3|all=3|group=100|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0634|Zweilous|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745-Midnight|Lycanroc|form=Midnight Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0969|Glimmet|type1=rock|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0987|Flutter Mane|note=Due to a quirk in the spawning mechanics, when it is [[Time|day]], Flutter Mane will spawn and despawn so rapidly that they will not appear visible to the player at all, unless the player is in a [[Union Circle]] session, in which case they will appear briefly. This behavior does not apply to {{Shiny}} Flutter Mane, as Shiny Pokémon are immune to being despawned by such mechanics, nor does it apply during [[Time|night]].<ref name="flutter"/>|type1=ghost|type2=fairy|yes|no|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0993|Iron Jugulis|type1=dark|type2=flying|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/footer/9|cave}}

===Waterfall Cave===
[[File:Area Zero Waterfall Cave SV.png|thumb|250px|The Waterfall Cave]]
After exiting Research Station No. 3, turn right and travel along the edge of the crater until reaching a river with a waterfall on the right. After passing behind the waterfall, look up to find the entrance to a cave suspended in the cliff face. Inside the following Pokémon will spawn. Despite appearing as a cave, several Prairie spawners can be found inside.
{{Catch/header/9|cave}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|55-58|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ca}}
{{Catch/entry9|0051|Dugtrio|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0197|Umbreon|type1=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|morning=0|day=0|evening=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0215|Sneasel|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|50|all=50|group=80|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0302|Sableye|type1=dark|type2=ghost|yes|yes|land=yes|55|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0444|Gabite|type1=dragon|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Gible|groupnum=0443}}
{{Catch/entry9|0461|Weavile|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|3|all=3|group=100|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0634|Zweilous|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745-Midnight|Lycanroc|form=Midnight Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0969|Glimmet|type1=rock|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0987|Flutter Mane|note=Due to a quirk in the spawning mechanics, when it is [[Time|day]], Flutter Mane will spawn and despawn so rapidly that they will not appear visible to the player at all, unless the player is in a [[Union Circle]] session, in which case they will appear briefly. This behavior does not apply to {{Shiny}} Flutter Mane, as Shiny Pokémon are immune to being despawned by such mechanics, nor does it apply during [[Time|night]].<ref name="flutter"/>|type1=ghost|type2=fairy|yes|no|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0993|Iron Jugulis|type1=dark|type2=flying|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/footer/9|cave}}

===Grassy Cave===
[[File:Area Zero Grassy Cave SV.png|thumb|250px|The Grassy Cave]]
After exiting Research Station No. 3, turn left and travel along the edge of the crater until seeing a pile of boulders to the left of a tree. Between the boulders is a narrow passage that will eventually lead to a cave. Inside the cave, the following Pokémon will spawn. Despite appearing as a cave, several Prairie spawners can be found inside, and the mysterious circular design found within the cave contains a mix of Cave and Ruin spawners.

{{Catch/header/9|cave}}
{{Catch/div/9|P}}
{{Catch/entry9|0113|Chansey|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0196|Espeon|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|night=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0922|Pawmo|type1=electric|type2=fighting|yes|yes|land=yes|55-58|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Pawmi|groupnum=0921}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ri}}
{{Catch/entry9|0055|Golduck|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-56|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0134|Vaporeon|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0419|Floatzel|type1=water|yes|yes|land=yes|watersurface=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Buizel|groupnum=0418}}
{{Catch/entry9|0886|Drakloak|type1=dragon|type2=ghost|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Dreepy|groupnum=0885}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ca}}
{{Catch/entry9|0051|Dugtrio|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0197|Umbreon|type1=dark|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|1|morning=0|day=0|evening=0}}
{{Catch/entry9|0215|Sneasel|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|50|all=50|group=80|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0302|Sableye|type1=dark|type2=ghost|yes|yes|land=yes|55|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0444|Gabite|type1=dragon|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10|group=100|groupmon=Gible|groupnum=0443}}
{{Catch/entry9|0461|Weavile|type1=dark|type2=ice|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|3|all=3|group=100|groupmon=Sneasel|groupnum=0215}}
{{Catch/entry9|0634|Zweilous|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0745-Midnight|Lycanroc|form=Midnight Form|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|55-59|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0969|Glimmet|type1=rock|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|55|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|0987|Flutter Mane|note=Due to a quirk in the spawning mechanics, when it is [[Time|day]], Flutter Mane will spawn and despawn so rapidly that they will not appear visible to the player at all, unless the player is in a [[Union Circle]] session, in which case they will appear briefly. This behavior does not apply to {{Shiny}} Flutter Mane, as Shiny Pokémon are immune to being despawned by such mechanics, nor does it apply during [[Time|night]].<ref name="flutter"/>|type1=ghost|type2=fairy|yes|no|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0993|Iron Jugulis|type1=dark|type2=flying|no|yes|overland=yes|55-59|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|1005|Roaring Moon|type1=dragon|type2=dark|yes|no|land=yes|55-59|5|all=5}}
{{Catch/entry9|1006|Iron Valiant|type1=fairy|type2=fighting|no|yes|land=yes|55-59|5|all=5}}
{{Catch/div/9|Ru}}
{{Catch/entry9|0972|Houndstone|type1=ghost|yes|yes|land=yes|55-56|5|all=5|group=100|groupmon=Greavard|groupnum=0971}}
{{Catch/footer/9|cave}}

===Depths===
[[File:Lower Area Zero.png|thumb|250px|The Depths of Area Zero]]
In the depths of Area Zero past the cloud layer, the following Pokémon will spawn.

{{Catch/header/9|cave}}
{{Catch/div/9|U}}
{{Catch/entry9|0051|Dugtrio|type1=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|15|all=15}}
{{Catch/entry9|0206|Dunsparce|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0444|Gabite|type1=dragon|type2=ground|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|30|all=30|group=100|groupmon=Gible|groupnum=0443}}
{{Catch/entry9|0634|Zweilous|type1=dark|type2=dragon|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0886|Drakloak|type1=dragon|type2=ghost|no|yes|overland=yes|57-60|20|all=20|group=100|groupmon=Dreepy|groupnum=0885}}
{{Catch/entry9|0934|Garganacl|type1=rock|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0956|Espathra|type1=psychic|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|5|all=5}}
{{Catch/entry9|0970|Glimmora|type1=rock|type2=poison|yes|yes|overland=yes|57-60|40|all=40|group=30|groupmon=Glimmet|groupnum=0969}}
{{Catch/entry9|0982|Dudunsparce|form=Two-Segment Form|type1=normal|yes|yes|land=yes|57-60|2|all=2}}
{{Catch/entry9|0984|Great Tusk|notename=gameclear|note=This Pokémon only appears after beating the main story|type1=ground|type2=fighting|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0985|Scream Tail|notename=gameclear|type1=fairy|type2=psychic|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0985|Scream Tail|type1=fairy|type2=psychic|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0986|Brute Bonnet|notename=gameclear|type1=grass|type2=dark|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0987|Flutter Mane|note=Due to a quirk in the spawning mechanics, when it is [[Time|day]], Flutter Mane will spawn and despawn so rapidly that they will not appear visible to the player at all, unless the player is in a [[Union Circle]] session, in which case they will appear briefly. This behavior does not apply to {{Shiny}} Flutter Mane, as Shiny Pokémon are immune to being despawned by such mechanics, nor does it apply during [[Time|night]].<ref name="flutter">[https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1647304950358106114 Flutter Mane Spawning Mechanics Quirk]</ref>|type1=ghost|type2=fairy|yes|no|overland=yes|57-60|3|all=3}}
{{Catch/entry9|0990|Iron Treads|notename=gameclear|type1=ground|type2=steel|no|yes|land=yes|57-60|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0991|Iron Bundle|notename=gameclear|type1=ice|type2=water|no|yes|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0991|Iron Bundle|type1=ice|type2=water|no|yes|land=yes|57-60|20|all=20}}
{{Catch/entry9|0992|Iron Hands|notename=gameclear|type1=fighting|type2=electric|no|yes|land=yes|57-60|10|all=10}}
{{Catch/entry9|0993|Iron Jugulis|type1=dark|type2=flying|no|yes|overland=yes|57-60|3|all=3}}
{{Catch/entry9|1005|Roaring Moon|notename=gameclear|type1=dragon|type2=dark|yes|no|land=yes|57-60|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/entry9|1006|Iron Valiant|notename=gameclear|type1=fairy|type2=fighting|no|yes|land=yes|57-60|1|all=1}}
{{Catch/footer/9|cave}}

==Special encounters==
Several mandatory [[Multi Battle]]s with various [[wild Pokémon]] occur as part of the story. None of them can be {{pkmn2|caught}}, and they are coded to never be {{Shiny}}.

===Outside Research Station No. 1===
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=970
|pokemon=Glimmora
|level=62
|type1=Rock
|type2=Poison
|ability=Toxic Debris
|move1=Sludge Wave|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Special
|move2=Acid Armor|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Status
|move3=Power Gem|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Special
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|}

===Outside Research Station No. 2===
{|
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=985
|pokemon=Scream Tail
|level=62
|type1=Fairy
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Psychic Fangs|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hyper Voice|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Play Rough|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=991
|pokemon=Iron Bundle
|gender=
|level=62
|type1=Ice
|type2=Water
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flip Turn|move2type=Water|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Freeze-Dry|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Helping Hand|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|}

===Outside Research Station No. 3===
{|
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=984
|pokemon=Great Tusk
|level=62
|type1=Ground
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Giga Impact|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Knock Off|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=990
|pokemon=Iron Treads
|level=62
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Heavy Slam|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Knock Off|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|}

===Outside the Zero Lab===
{|
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=984
|pokemon=Great Tusk
|level=64
|type1=Ground
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Giga Impact|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Knock Off|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=990
|pokemon=Iron Treads
|level=64
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Heavy Slam|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Knock Off|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=986
|pokemon=Brute Bonnet
|level=64
|type1=Grass
|type2=Dark
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Spore|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Status
|move2=Sucker Punch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Giga Drain|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Thrash|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=992
|pokemon=Iron Hands
|gender=
|level=64
|type1=Fighting
|type2=Electric
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Wild Charge|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Charge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Status
|move4=Seismic Toss|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=987
|pokemon=Flutter Mane
|level=64
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Fairy
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Psyshock|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Special
|move2=Power Gem|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Special
|move3=Mystical Fire|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=993
|pokemon=Iron Jugulis
|level=64
|type1=Dark
|type2=Flying
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Knock Off|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Air Slash|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Special
|move3=Hyper Voice|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Special
|move4=Crunch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|}

===Area Zero Depths===
{{incomplete|section|needs=Image of Miraidon}}
[[File:SV Koraidon.png|thumb|200px|Koraidon at the bottom of Area Zero]]
After finishing {{DL|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet|The Way Home}}, the player can encounter the other Koraidon{{sup/9|S}}/Miraidon{{sup/9|V}} on a small, raised plateau at the very bottom of Area Zero.

Koraidon will always have an Adamant [[Nature]], while Miraidon will always have a Modest Nature. If defeated, they can be battled again after the game has been rebooted, provided that over one hour has passed in [[Nintendo Switch]]'s [[Time|internal clock]] since their defeat. They are coded to never be {{Shiny}}.
{|
! Scarlet
! Violet
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1007
|pokemon=Koraidon
|level=72
|type1=Fighting
|type2=Dragon
|tera=Fighting
|ability=Orichalcum Pulse
|move1=Giga Impact|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Bulk Up|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Status
|move3=Collision Course|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flamethrower|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1008
|pokemon=Miraidon
|level=72
|type1=Electric
|type2=Dragon
|tera=Electric
|ability=Hadron Engine
|move1=Hyper Beam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Charge|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Electro Drift|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Power Gem|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Special}}
|}

===Paradox Pokémon===
Once the player has accepted [[Perrin]]'s request at [[Blueberry Academy]]'s [[Terarium]] as part of [[The Indigo Disk]], they can encounter {{p|Raging Bolt}} and {{p|Gouging Fire}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Crown}} and {{p|Iron Boulder}}{{sup/9|V}} in specific locations throughout Area Zero. If defeated, they can be battled again after the game has been rebooted, provided that over one hour has passed in [[Nintendo Switch]]'s [[Time|internal clock]] since their defeat. They are coded to never be {{Shiny}}.

====Pokémon Scarlet====
[[File:SV Gouging Fire Location.png|thumb|right|200px|Gouging Fire's location]]
[[File:SV Raging Bolt Location.png|thumb|right|200px|Raging Bolt's location]]
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1020
|pokemon=Gouging Fire
|level=75
|tera=Fire
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Burning Bulwark|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Rush|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Fire Blast|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Lava Plume|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1021
|pokemon=Raging Bolt
|level=75
|tera=Electric
|type1=Electric
|type2=Dragon
|ability=Protosynthesis
|move1=Thunderclap|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dragon Hammer|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rising Voltage|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Dragon Pulse|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Special}}
|}

====Pokémon Violet====


{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1022
|pokemon=Iron Boulder
|gender=None
|level=75
|tera=Rock
|type1=Rock
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Sacred Sword|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Mighty Cleave|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Swords Dance|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Megahorn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|ndex=1023
|pokemon=Iron Crown
|gender=None
|level=75
|tera=Steel
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Quark Drive
|move1=Sacred Sword|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tachyon Cutter|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special
|move3=Future Sight|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Volt Switch|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special}}
|}

==Trainers==
===Multi Battle partners===
====Nemona====
Nemona uses these teams as a [[Multi Battle]] partner against a wild {{p|Glimmora}}, then later against an escaping {{p|Great Tusk}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Treads}}{{sup/9|V}}:

{{MSP/9|0906|Sprigatito}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Sprigatito}}: 
{{Party/Single
|color={{scarlet color}}
|bordercolor={{scarlet color dark}}
|headcolor={{scarlet color light}}
|sprite=VSNemona S.png
|size=x100px
|prize=none
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name={{color2|000|Nemona}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=745
|pokemon=Lycanroc
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sand Rush
|move1=Accelerock|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=706
|pokemon=Goodra
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Sap Sipper
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Muddy Water|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=982
|pokemon=Dudunsparce
|img=HOME0982Th
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Serene Grace
|move1=Hyper Drill|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Dragon Rush|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Coil|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{scarlet color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=968
|pokemon=Orthworm
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Steel
|ability=Earth Eater
|move1=Iron Tail|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Body Press|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Blast|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=923
|pokemon=Pawmot
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Electric|type2=Fighting
|ability=Volt Absorb
|move1=Double Shock|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Punch|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=914
|pokemon=Quaquaval
|level=66
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Fighting
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Aqua Step|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Brick Break|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Ice Spinner|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP/9|0909|Fuecoco}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Fuecoco}}: 
{{Party/Single
|color={{scarlet color}}
|bordercolor={{scarlet color dark}}
|headcolor={{scarlet color light}}
|sprite=VSNemona S.png
|size=x100px
|prize=none
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name={{color2|000|Nemona}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=745
|pokemon=Lycanroc
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sand Rush
|move1=Accelerock|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=706
|pokemon=Goodra
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Sap Sipper
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Muddy Water|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=982
|pokemon=Dudunsparce
|img=HOME0982Th
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Serene Grace
|move1=Hyper Drill|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Dragon Rush|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Coil|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{scarlet color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=968
|pokemon=Orthworm
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Steel
|ability=Earth Eater
|move1=Iron Tail|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Body Press|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Blast|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=923
|pokemon=Pawmot
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Electric|type2=Fighting
|ability=Volt Absorb
|move1=Double Shock|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Punch|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=908
|pokemon=Meowscarada
|level=66
|gender=male
|type1=Grass|type2=Dark
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Flower Trick|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Punch|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Shadow Claw|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Play Rough|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP/9|0912|Quaxly}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Quaxly}}: 
{{Party/Single
|color={{scarlet color}}
|bordercolor={{scarlet color dark}}
|headcolor={{scarlet color light}}
|sprite=VSNemona S.png
|size=x100px
|prize=none
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name={{color2|000|Nemona}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=745
|pokemon=Lycanroc
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sand Rush
|move1=Accelerock|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=706
|pokemon=Goodra
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Sap Sipper
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Muddy Water|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=982
|pokemon=Dudunsparce
|img=HOME0982Th
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Serene Grace
|move1=Hyper Drill|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Drill Run|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Dragon Rush|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Coil|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{scarlet color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=968
|pokemon=Orthworm
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Steel
|ability=Earth Eater
|move1=Iron Tail|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Body Press|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Blast|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=923
|pokemon=Pawmot
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Electric|type2=Fighting
|ability=Volt Absorb
|move1=Double Shock|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Punch|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=911
|pokemon=Skeledirge
|level=66
|gender=male
|type1=Fire|type2=Ghost
|ability=Blaze
|move1=Torch Song|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earth Power|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Special
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Snarl|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Penny====
Penny uses this team as a [[Multi Battle]] partner against a hostile {{p|Scream Tail}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Bundle}}{{sup/9|V}}, and then against an escaping {{p|Brute Bonnet}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Hands}}{{sup/9|V}}:

{{Party/Single
|color={{black 2 color}}
|bordercolor={{kalos color dark}}
|headcolor={{summer color light}}
|sprite=VSPenny.png
|size=x100px
|prize=none
|class2=of Team Star
|classlink2=Team Star (Trainer class)
|name={{color2|000|Penny}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=197
|pokemon=Umbreon
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Dark Pulse|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=134
|pokemon=Vaporeon
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Water Absorb
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=Aurora Beam|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=135
|pokemon=Jolteon
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Quick Feet
|move1=Thunder|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pin Missile|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{black 2 color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=136
|pokemon=Flareon
|level=62
|gender=female
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|move1=Flare Blitz|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fire Spin|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=470
|pokemon=Leafeon
|level=62
|gender=female
|type1=Grass
|ability=Leaf Guard
|move1=Leaf Blade|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=X-Scissor|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=63
|gender=female
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Moonblast|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baby-Doll Eyes|move3type=Fairy|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Arven====
Arven uses this team as a [[Multi Battle]] partner against an aggressive {{p|Great Tusk}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Treads}}{{sup/9|V}}, and later against an escaping {{p|Flutter Mane}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Iron Jugulis}}{{sup/9|V}}:

{{Party/Single
|color={{violet color}}
|bordercolor={{violet color dark}}
|headcolor={{violet color light}}
|sprite=VSArven V Multi.png
|size=x100px
|prize=none
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Arven}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=943
|pokemon=Mabosstiff
|level=63
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Play Rough|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psychic Fangs|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fire Fang|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|ability=Skill Link
|move1=Rock Blast|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icicle Spear|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Liquidation|move3type=Water|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Light Screen|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=952
|pokemon=Scovillain
|level=62
|gender=female
|type1=Grass|type2=Fire
|ability=Chlorophyll
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Energy Ball|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=Zen Headbutt|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Crunch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{violet color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=949
|pokemon=Toedscruel
|level=62
|gender=female
|type1=Ground|type2=Grass
|ability=Mycelium Might
|move1=Power Whip|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earth Power|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Special
|move3=Spore|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=934
|pokemon=Garganacl
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Purifying Salt
|move1=Stone Edge|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Body Press|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=820
|pokemon=Greedent
|level=62
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Cheek Pouch
|move1=Bullet Seed|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Psychic Fangs|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Body Slam|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Earthquake|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==In animation==
===Pokémon animated series===
====''[[Pokémon Horizons: The Series]]''====
Area Zero was first mentioned in [[HZ057]], where [[Geeta]] revealed that it is managed by [[Paldea League|Paldea's Pokémon League]], and that a Pokémon resembling {{p|Terapagos}} was once sighted there. [[Liko]], [[Roy]], and [[Dot]] showed interest in seeing the place in person, but [[Clavell]] revealed that an accident happened there recently, and that entering wasn't possible at the moment. Geeta assured the trio that she'd accompany them there someday.

==In the TCG==
[[File:ExplorerGuidanceTemporalForces147.jpg|thumb|200px|Area Zero as seen in the background art of Explorer's Guidance]]
Area Zero makes a minor appearance in the background of a card from the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]], being {{TCG ID|Temporal Forces|Explorer's Guidance|147}} from {{TCG|Temporal Forces}}, a set with a focus on various [[Paradox Pokémon]]. The card depicts an explorer within the upper fields of Area Zero, carrying a copy of the [[Scarlet Book]].
{{-}}

==Gallery==
===Artwork===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|15px}} border: 2px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}; background: #{{locationcolor/med|land}}; font-size:80%"
| style="{{roundy|15px}} border: 2px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}; background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}}; overflow:hidden; width:100px; height:150px"| [[File:SV Shiny Lucario Event.png|x200px]]
|-
| {{color2|000|Shiny Pokémon|Shiny}} {{pcolor|Lucario|000}} event art by {{color2|000|Raita Kazama}}<ref name=SVLucario>[https://web.archive.org/web/20231211081957/https://twitter.com/kazamaraita/status/1734094266635550755 Kazama confirming he drew the SV Shiny Lucario Event art.]</ref>
|-
|}

==Music==
{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align: center; background: #{{locationcolor/med|land}}; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}"
|- style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}"
! Games
! Location
! Song name (Japanese)
! Song name (English Translation)
! Composition
! Arrangement
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="5" |{{GameIcon|Sc}}{{GameIcon|Vi}}
| When heading into Area Zero for the first time
| パルデアの大穴へ！
| To the Great Crater of Paldea
| Hiromitsu Maeba [[Toby Fox]]
| Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
| When outside in Area Zero
| エリアゼロ
| Area Zero
| [[Toby Fox]]<ref name=Newsletter>[https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/winter22/ UNDERTALE / DELTARUNE NEWSLETTER: ISSUE 1 (Winter 2022)]</ref>
| [[Go Ichinose]]<ref name=Newsletter/>
|-
| During a wild Pokémon battle
| 戦闘！エリアゼロのポケモン
| Battle! (Pokémon in Area Zero)
| [[Toby Fox]]
| [[Go Ichinose]]
|-
| When the gate to the Zero Lab opens up
| ゲートが開いて
| The Gate is Open
| Hiromitsu Maeba [[Toby Fox]]
| Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
| During the battle against the [[Paradox Pokémon]] that exit the [[time machine]] for the first time.
| 戦闘！エリアゼロのポケモン 2
| Battle! (Pokémon in Area Zero) 2
| [[Toby Fox]]
| [[Go Ichinose]] Hiromitsu Maeba
|}

==Trivia==
* Despite the area's heavy association with the [[Terastal phenomenon]], {{DL|Terastal phenomenon|wild Tera Pokémon}} cannot be found in Area Zero, except in the {{FB|Area Zero|Underdepths}}.
* The [[List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldean Pokédex]] does not list Area Zero as a spawn location for any of the Pokémon that spawn there, and is also the only area in the game without any form of map.
* The Paldean Pokédex states that {{p|Glimmet}} has a "very rare" spawn chance. However, they are quite common in Area Zero, despite appearing rarely in the rest of Paldea, potentially implying some connection between Glimmet and Area Zero.
** This connection is reinforced by also commonly being found around the [[Crystal Pool]].
* The fact that {{form|Floette|White Flower}} {{p|Floette}} is the only form that spawns in Area Zero may be referencing the [[Death in the Pokémon world|death]] of [[Professor Sada]]/[[Professor Turo]], due to the fact that white blossoms, (specifically the white {{wp|Chrysanthemum}} flower in Japan), symbolize grief, and are often used in funerals.
* Every {{wp|moth}}-based Pokémon present in {{game|Scarlet and Violet|s}} can be found in Area Zero, namely {{p|Venomoth}}, {{p|Masquerain}}, {{p|Volcarona}}, {{p|Frosmoth}}, {{p|Slither Wing}}{{sup/9|S}}, and {{p|Iron Moth}}{{sup/9|V}}. This may be a reference to moths' perceived attraction to light, given Area Zero's extremely bright surface and caverns filled with glowing crystals. It may also be another reference to death, which moths often symbolize.
*Volcarona is the only Pokémon with Paradox Pokémon relatives to be found in Area Zero and in the same area as them.
* Area Zero is internally referred to as {{wp|Atlantis}} in the game's files.

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{{samename|area in [[Pokémon Snap]]|Cave (Snap)}}
[[File:FL Rock Tunnel.png|thumb|240px|The entrance to a cave in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
[[File:Early Red and Rhydon sketch.jpg|thumb|240px|[[Ken Sugimori]]'s [[Capsule Monsters|concept sketch]] of {{ga|Red}} exploring a cave.]]
A '''cave''' is an underground area. Caves tend to have {{t|Rock}}- and {{type|Ground}} Pokémon, although {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} based on cave-dwelling specimens, such as {{p|Zubat}}, may also be found.

Caves can be found in every [[region]] of the [[Pokémon world]]. They often serve as roadblocks: travelers cannot reach their destination without passing through. Often, these caves are dark and it is impossible to see even a few feet ahead; this problem can be remedied through use of the move {{m|Flash}}. They are almost always winding and maze-like, making it easy to get lost. Additionally, certain caves contain a [[special magnetic field]] or an [[Ice Rock]], which allow certain Pokémon to [[Evolution|evolve]]. Villainous teams such as [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]] often make their hideouts in isolated caves.

Many [[mountain]]s in the Pokémon world are filled with sprawling caves, and well-preserved [[ruins]] are often located in caves. Additionally, [[Victory Road]] is typically a cave filled with expert [[Pokémon Trainer]]s that serves as the final test for Trainers before facing the [[Elite Four]] of a particular region.

In the {{pkmn|games}}, the encounter rate is typically quite high in caves. All caves contain [[cave tile]]s, and often [[water tile]]s; caves may also contain [[ice tile]]s, [[sand tile]]s, {{DL|Hole|cracked tile}}s, [[hole]]s, [[ledge]]s, and [[puddle]]s. Often, rare Pokémon can be found in caves. Items can also be found within the depths of caves, presumably dropped in the darkness by other travelers. Some caves contain [[Legendary Pokémon]] at their deepest point. Trainers often use [[Dusk Ball]]s to catch Pokémon in caves, as they work especially well in such dark places.

==In battle==
{{m|Camouflage}} makes the user {{type|Rock}} when used in a cave.

Cave terrain gives {{m|Secret Power}} a 30% chance of causing the target to {{status|flinch}}. In [[Generation III]], cave terrain gives Secret Power the appearance of {{m|Bite}}, and from [[Generation IV]] to [[Generation VII]], it gives it the appearance of {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In Generation III, cave terrain causes {{m|Nature Power}} to become {{m|Shadow Ball}}; in Generation IV and [[Generation V]], it causes it to become {{m|Rock Slide}}; and in [[Generation VI]] and Generation VII, it causes it to become {{m|Power Gem}}.

==List of caves in the Pokémon world==
[[File:Cave Habitat.png|thumb|Cave [[List of Pokémon by habitat|habitat]] in the [[Pokédex]]]]
There are several notable caves in the Pokémon world, many of which are named locations. Additionally, many regions have a number of minor unnamed caves.

===In the core series===
====[[Kanto]]====
* [[Mt. Moon]] - A mystical mountain that is known for its frequent meteor falls. The shards of stars that fall here are known as [[Moon Stone]]s. The mountain is apparently abundant with [[fossil]]s. It is known for being one of the few places where wild {{p|Clefairy}} can be found.
* [[Diglett's Cave]] - A seemingly plain tunnel that was dug by {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Diglett}}. It is famous for connecting Routes [[Kanto Route 2|2]] and [[Kanto Route 11|11]], connecting [[Vermilion City]] to [[Pewter City]].
* [[Rock Tunnel]] - A naturally formed underground tunnel. Because it has not been developed, it is inky dark inside. A light is needed to get through. The tunnel begins in [[Lavender Town]] and comes out in [[Cerulean City]].
* [[Seafoam Islands]] - A shocking cold fills the caverns inside the Seafoam Islands.
* {{ka|Victory Road}} - A tunnel situated on {{rt|23|Kanto}}. It earned its name because it must be traveled by all {{pkmn|Trainer}}s aiming to reach the [[Indigo Plateau|Pokémon League]] at the summit.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] - A mysterious cave filled with terribly tough Pokémon. The [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Mewtwo}} is known to inhabit the deepest part of the cave. The cave is so dangerous, the [[Indigo League|Pokémon League]] was in charge of it. At some point, it collapsed and was reconstructed.

=====[[Sevii Islands]]=====
* [[Icefall Cave]] - A cave which is covered by water and ice on [[Four Island]]. It seems like the end of the cave is connected to the ocean.
* [[Lost Cave]] - A bewildering cave off the coast of [[Resort Gorgeous]]. Some curious thrill seekers have never emerged from it.
* [[Altering Cave]] - A cave on [[Outcast Island]] inhabited solely by {{p|Zubat}}. This island cave has been known by this name since the distant past. No one today knows where it got this name, however.

====[[Johto]]====
[[File:HGSS Dark Cave-Route {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 2}}|0=31|1=45}}-{{#switch: {{#time:
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* [[Slowpoke Well]] - When {{p|Slowpoke}} are thirsty, they come here to drink.
* [[Dark Cave]] - A dark, difficult-to-navigate tunnel that runs beneath the Johto region.
* [[Mt. Mortar]] - A naturally large cavern that is incredibly spacious.
* [[Union Cave]] - Deep underground, it's connected to the ocean. The water flows here.
* [[Ice Path]] - A cave with several slippery, icy patches; connects {{rt|44|Johto}} to [[Blackthorn City]].
* [[Dragon's Den]] - A cave in Blackthorn City, home to the Dragon Shrine.
* [[Whirl Islands]] - Beneath the sea, a maze of dark caves sprawl, with explorers able to travel between the four islands with some amount of difficulty. Deep within these caves, the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Lugia}} can be found.
* [[Mt. Silver Cave]] - A hallowed mountain that rises between the Johto and Kanto regions.
* [[Cliff Cave]] - A cave on {{rt|47|Johto}} with breakable rocks containing [[valuable item]]s, rare [[Shard|shards]], and [[fossil]]s.
* [[Cliff Edge Gate]] - A small cavern on {{ci|Cianwood}} island that leads between the small island town and Route 47.

====[[Hoenn]]====
[[File:Seafloor Cavern ORAS.png|thumb|250px|[[Seafloor Cavern]] in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}]]
* [[Rusturf Tunnel]] - This stone tunnel links together {{ci|Rustboro}} and {{ci|Verdanturf}}. Its name was chosen as a mixture of the two.
* [[Granite Cave]] - This cavern is famous for its cave art, which depicts events from thousands of years ago.
* [[Meteor Falls]] - This waterfall is said to have been the site of a meteor shower. An ancient people once made their home here.
* [[Fiery Path]] - An underground route which travels through [[Mt. Chimney]]. The Pokémon that live in this area like to use the steam that erupts from the ground as a sort of bath.
* [[Desert Underpass]] - A long tunnel located behind the [[Fossil Maniac]]'s house on {{rt|114|Hoenn}}, containing a [[fossil]] at the far end of the cave.
* [[Scorched Slab]] - In [[Generation III]], it is a small empty cave accessed via an indented lake on {{rt|120|Hoenn}}. In [[Generation VI]], it is a large cave with four floors and is home to {{p|Heatran}}.
* [[Shoal Cave]] - This cave's appearance changes greatly between high tide and low tide. An [[Ice Rock]] is located on the lowest floor of Shoal Cave, accessible only when the tide is low.
* [[Cave of Origin]] - A long-sleeping Pokémon will descend upon this cavern in order to awaken its true powers. It is home to one of the [[super-ancient Pokémon]], {{p|Kyogre}} or {{p|Groudon}}.
* [[Seafloor Cavern]] - It is said that a Pokémon once dwelled here in the ancient mists of a time long past. It is home to one of the super-ancient Pokémon, Groudon or Kyogre.
* [[Marine Cave]] - An elusive [[underwater]] cave that is home to Kyogre.
* [[Terra Cave]] - An elusive magma cave filled with steam that is home to Groudon.
* {{ho|Victory Road}} - This challenging path forces Trainers who hope to overcome the [[Hoenn League|Pokémon League]] to first surpass their own limits.
* [[Altering Cave]] - A cave on the east bank of the inlet that passes through the center of {{rt|103|Hoenn}}. It is inhabited solely by {{p|Zubat}}.
* [[Artisan Cave]] - A long cave connecting one end of the {{gdis|Battle Frontier|III}} to the other.
* [[Mirage Caves]] - A series of eight caves that mysteriously appear like a mirage in various parts of the region.
* [[Nameless Cavern]] - A cave containing a mysterious, floating ring through which one of the [[lake guardians]] will appear. The cave is located on the northeast side of [[Sootopolis City]].
* [[Fabled Cave]] - A cave containing a mysterious, floating ring through which either {{p|Reshiram}} or {{p|Zekrom}} will appear. The cave is located on a large island situated in the bay east of the [[Seaside Cycling Road]] on {{rt|110|Hoenn}}.
* [[Gnarled Den]] - A cave containing a mysterious, floating ring through which {{p|Kyurem}} will appear. The cave is located on the west side of Mt. Chimney.

====[[Sinnoh]]====
* [[Ravaged Path]] - A small cave that is located on {{rt|204|Sinnoh}}, separating [[Jubilife City]] from [[Floaroma Town]].
* [[Oreburgh Gate]] - Once one gets through the tunnel, the city of Oreburgh is just a stone's throw away.
* [[Oreburgh Mine]] - A cave mine serving as {{ci|Oreburgh}}'s leading energy source.
* [[Wayward Cave]] - A multi-floor cave located on {{rt|206|Sinnoh}} with two possible entrances hidden beneath the Cycling Road.
* [[Maniac Tunnel]] - Originally known as Ruin Maniac Cave, this artificial tunnel now connects {{rt|214|Sinnoh}} and [[Solaceon Ruins]].
* [[Iron Island]] cave - The cave on Iron Island was once a prosperous ore mine, but it was shut down after the ore reserves dried up. Since then, it has been kept open as a training area and habitat for [[wild Pokémon]].
* [[Mount Coronet]] - A gigantic maze sprawls inside the sacred, snow-capped mountain. The caves and surrounding area contain a [[special magnetic field]] that allows certain Pokémon to [[Evolution|evolve]].
* {{si|Victory Road}} - Trainers seeking to be the best arrive here after a long and grueling journey. Victory Road is the last and toughest of the challenges leading up to the {{si|Pokémon League}}.
* [[Turnback Cave]] - Located at the north-central region of Sendoff Spring, this cave is home to the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Giratina}}.
[[File:Stargleam Cavern BDSP.png|thumb|250px|[[Stargleam Cavern]] in {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}]]
* [[Underground]] / [[Grand Underground]] - A massive underground network spanning beneath the entire Sinnoh region. In {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}, the Grand Underground contains several types of underground biomes known as {{DL|Grand Underground|Pokémon Hideaways}}. These consist of small caves and larger caverns.
** [[Dazzling Cave]]s - Dimly lit caverns filled with large crystals.
** [[Fountainspring Cave]]s - Rocky, water filled caverns.
** [[Grassland Cave]]s - Small forest-like areas with rocks peppered about the ground and many fallen logs.
** [[Icy Cave]]s - Snowy, ice pillar and rock filled caverns containing small lakes.
** [[Riverbank Cave]]s - Grassy caverns with several ponds around their edges
** [[Rocky Cave]]s - Arid, sand and rock filled caverns with some cacti and other flora.
** [[Sandsear Cave]]s - Arid, sand and rock filled caverns, containing small lakes of lava.
** [[Spacious Cave]]s - Rocky caverns with several patches of grass around their edges.
** [[Swampy Cave]]s - Bog-like, moss covered caverns with heavy flora, containing small lakes.
** [[Volcanic Cave]]s - Rock and lava filled caverns, with dry, yellow grass.
** [[Whiteout Cave]]s - Snowy, rock filled caverns, with a small amount of flora.
** [[Big Bluff Cavern]] - A large, arid, sand and rock filled cavern, with scattered [[ruins]].
** [[Bogsunk Cavern]] - A large, bog-like, moss covered cavern with heavy flora, containing a lake.
** [[Glacial Cavern]] - A large snowy, rock and ice spike filled cavern, containing a lake.
** [[Stargleam Cavern]] - A large crystal filled, dimly lit cavern.
** [[Still-Water Cavern]] - A large cave with rocky paths amongst trees, grass, and logs.
** [[Sunlit Cavern]] - A large, underground forest, with a big tree located somewhere near the center.
** [[Typhlo Cavern]] - A large rock, sand, and lava filled cavern, with dry, yellow grass.

=====[[Battle Zone]]=====
* [[Stark Mountain]] - Inside the mountain, fissures in spilled and hardened lava form enormous caverns; the Legendary Pokémon {{p|Heatran}} resides in the innermost chamber.

====[[Unova]]====
[[File:Giant Chasm Cave Depths PG.png|thumb|250px|[[Giant Chasm]] in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
* [[Wellspring Cave]] - Wellspring Cave earned its name due to its collection of underground water wells. Rainwater seeped through the soil as groundwater and pooled into wells hidden within the earth, gradually forming springs. Water droplets trickle frequently from stalactites across the cave, indicating its contribution to the formation of the springs.
* [[Chargestone Cave]] - A cave where electrically charged stones float. {{p|Galvantula}} have littered parts of the cave with electric webs. The cave contains a [[special magnetic field]] that allows certain Pokémon to [[Evolution|evolve]].
* [[Mistralton Cave]] - A forgotten cave sealed with hints of a legend's presence. The Guidance Chamber, home of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Cobalion}}, is located within.
* [[Twist Mountain]] - It has a reputation as a mine littered with valuable ore. An [[Ice Rock]] is located in the basement.
* [[Victory Road (Black 2 and White 2)|Victory Road]] - These forking paths are the last obstacle before the {{un|Pokémon League}}. The new Victory Road is built on the same mountain as the [[Victory Road (Black and White)|original Victory Road]] was, due to both paths leading to the same location. While both Victory Roads have extended series of tunnels within the mountain, the new Victory Road is built on a more diverse and straightforward landscape.
** A portion of the previous Victory Road encompasses the uppermost cavern and the top ledge of the hill outside the Pokémon League. The rest of the original area is blocked off by construction barriers due to an apparent landslide and cave in. The steep slopes of the original Victory Road, now inaccessible, contained within them The Trial Chamber, home of the Legendary Pokémon {{p|Terrakion}}.
* [[Challenger's Cave]] - Trainers seeking further strength used to enter this cavern despite the risks. However, the cave is no longer inaccessible after the entrance collapsed.
* [[Reversal Mountain]] - A mountain where Heatran used to come to cool off. In {{B2W2|Pokémon Black 2}}, it is a [[volcano]] that has grabbed many headlines for its series of recent eruptions. The mountain's interior is filled with water. In {{B2W2|Pokémon White 2}}, it is a volcano recorded to have had a huge eruption long ago. The interior is filled with magma.
* [[Giant Chasm]] - A large impact crater containing a maze-like forest. It is home to a number of [[extraterrestrial Pokémon]], including the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kyurem}}, who resides in the deepest part of the cave at the far end of the crater.
* [[Seaside Cave]] - A rock that became passable due to wind, waves, and Pokémon.
* [[Cave of Being]] - They say the deepest part of the cave leads to the [[Sinnoh]] region. The [[lake guardians]] have been spotted here.
* [[Clay Tunnel]] - A tunnel created by [[Clay]]'s constant mining. It leads to [[Twist Mountain]]. The [[Underground Ruins]] are located within this cave.
* [[Relic Passage]] - A recently discovered passage that leads to the [[Relic Castle]].

=====[[Terarium]]=====
[[File:Chargestone Cavern TID.png|thumb|250px|[[Chargestone Cavern]] in [[The Indigo Disk]]]]
* [[Chargestone Cavern]] - Much like [[Chargestone Cave]], Chargestone Cavern is full of blue, electrically-charged rock formations and electric webs.

====[[Kalos]]====
* [[Connecting Cave]] - This cave linking {{rt|7|Kalos}} and [[Cyllage City]] is notable for its great hordes of {{p|Zubat}}. It is also known as Zubat Roost
* [[Glittering Cave]] - Lose all sense of direction as you wander though this cave, where [[Luminous Moss]] glows emerald green.
* [[Reflection Cave]] - The sheer faces of these rock walls reflect the images of people and Pokémon like nature's mirror.
* [[Frost Cavern]] - The drifting snow and impenetrable fog make this cavern a place of fantastical illusions. An [[Ice Rock]] is located deep within the cave.
* {{kal|Victory Road}} - This treacherous path to the {{kal|Pokémon League}} will break the hearts of even the toughest Trainers.
* [[Sea Spirit's Den]] - A pit in the shallows of [[Azure Bay]] thought to have been from an ancient outpouring of energy. Under special circumstances, one of the [[legendary birds]] may appear here.
* {{kal|Unknown Dungeon}} - A tiny cave whose entrance is found in the side of a mountain. The cave is barren in terms of terrain aside from the occasional water drop and the few rocks that dot the floor. The [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Mewtwo}} awaits the player in the center of the cave.
* [[Terminus Cave]] - A coal mine that was closed a few years ago due to rumors of a monster living deep within it. It is home to the Legendary Pokémon {{p|Zygarde}}.

====[[Alola]]====
[[File:Verdant Cavern SM.png|thumb|250px|[[Verdant Cavern]] in {{g|Sun and Moon}}]]
* [[Verdant Cavern]] - A cave with a great variety of plants thriving inside it. The light shafting in from above makes for a breathtaking sight. This is where [[Ilima]] holds his [[Island challenge|trial]]. The Totem's Den is home to a {{pkmn2|Totem}} {{p|Gumshoos}}.
* [[Seaward Cave]] - A cave that connects [[Melemele Meadow]] and [[Kala'e Bay]]. It is filled with salty smell of the sea.
* [[Diglett's Tunnel]] - {{p|Diglett}} and [[Human|people]] worked together to finish digging this tunnel several years ago.
* [[Mount Lanakila]] - The roughest and coldest mountain in the Alola region. This place has been constructed to act as Alola's [[Victory Road]]. {{p|Crabrawler}} is able to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{p|Crabominable}} here, and an [[Ice Rock]] is present inside the mountain's cave.
* [[Ten Carat Hill]] - A great hill formed by the activity of an underwater [[volcano]]. It is famous for the hollow in its middle that is open to the air.

====[[Galar]]====
* [[Galar Mine]] - A cave filled with minecart tracks across the cave and lit with crystals of many colors. {{p|Carkol}} can often be sighted riding across the tracks.
* [[Galar Mine No. 2]] - A purple cavern with several pools of water inside. It is lit by crystals of many colors.

=====[[Crown Tundra]]=====
* [[Max Lair]] - The Max Lair's entrance is a small, simple cave with people and scientific equipment. The interiors are filled with labyrinthine caves filled with [[Dynamax]] Pokémon. Due to the large amount of [[Galar particles]] inside the Max Lair, those who enter aren't allowed to use their own Pokémon, but must choose a [[rental Pokémon]] that's resistant to the particles' effects.
* [[Tunnel to the Top]] - A long, winding cave with twists and turns, containing both long tunnels and wide caves.
* [[Roaring-Sea Caves]] - Water-filled caves that connect to the [[Giant's Foot]] in the south and the [[Frigid Sea]] in the east. An isolated portion is also connected to [[Three-Point Pass]].

=====[[Isle of Armor]]=====
[[File:Courageous Cavern SwSh.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Courageous Cavern]] in [[The Isle of Armor]]]]
* [[Brawlers' Cave]] - A cave that connects to the [[Soothing Wetlands]] in the south, the [[Training Lowlands]] in the northwest, [[Challenge Road]] in the northeast, and the [[Workout Sea]] in the east.
* [[Courageous Cavern]] - A cavern that connects to [[Challenge Beach]] in the north, [[Loop Lagoon]] in the west, and the [[Fields of Honor]] in the east.
* [[Warm-Up Tunnel]] - A tunnel that connects to the Training Lowlands in the south and the [[Potbottom Desert]] in the north.

====[[Hisui]]====
* [[Oreburrow Tunnel]] - Located in the east [[Obsidian Fieldlands]] is a long, winding tunnel with a large cavity in the center containing ore deposits.
* [[Turnback Cave]] - In the center of a tall mountain crater on the [[Spring Path]] within the northwest [[Cobalt Coastlands]] is a small, albeit spacious, rounded cavern with stone pillars lining the walls. {{p|Giratina}} is known to appear here.
* [[Seaside Hollow]] - In the north Cobalt Coastlands is a large, circular cavern within a cliff. It is completely barren on the inside, and the rocky walls and ceiling give off a mild blue hue.
* [[Mount Coronet]] - The [[Coronet Highlands]] is located on and around Mount Coronet. The mountain itself has a single accessible cave corridor leading to its peak, while a few other caves can be accessed in the surrounding highlands.
* [[Stone Portal]] - This passage leads to the top of Mount Coronet, where the [[Temple of Sinnoh]] is located. There is an ancient drawing inside the cave depicting multiple [[Legendary Pokémon]].
* [[Wayward Cave]] - In the south Coronet Highlands is a single-leveled, sprawling maze of tunnels that interconnect and often terminate at dead ends. The pathways are sporadically dotted with torches, ore deposits, and [[Iron Chunk|hunks of iron ore]]. Near the cave's exit to [[Wayward Wood]], the tunnels feed into a large, open space with a small spring.
* [[Ancient Quarry]] - A spacious chamber filled with stone in the south Coronet Highlands contains two squared stone arches leading to large staircases. The interior of the quarry is intricately carved with cube-like chunks of stone, creating pockets within the walls.
* [[Primeval Grotto]] - Within the grotto in the center of the Coronet Highlands is a small cavern located inside of a small cliff. From the southern entrance, a room features a large vein of glowing red [[Origin Ore]] embedded within the cavern wall. The next room contains fossils unearthed from the northernmost wall.

====[[Paldea]]====
[[File:Area Zero Underdepths.png|thumb|250px|The [[Area Zero Underdepths]] in [[The Indigo Disk]]]]
* [[Inlet Grotto]] - A small cave with walls covered in patches of bioluminescent moss.
* [[Alfornada Cavern]] - A massive cavern underneath [[Alfornada]] on [[South Province (Area Six)]]. The cave features scattered torches and walls with seeping water.
* [[Area Zero|Area Zero depths]] - There are several caves in Area Zero, but most notable are the region's crystal-filled depths below the cloud layer in its center. Under special circumstances, a {{p|Koraidon}} or {{p|Miraidon}} can be encountered here.
* [[Area Zero Underdepths]] - Underneath the [[Zero Lab]] in Area Zero is a large cavern, roughly 3,300 feet (1 kilometer) below the surface, that formed around two million years ago. Despite numerous cave-ins in the past, the Underdepths have remained stable. They consist of several large chambers connected by crystal-filled tunnels. The concentration of crystals increases with depth. Near the bottom of the Underdepths is a subterranean lake featuring an island with a large crystal tree. The deepest tunnel is made entirely of solid crystal, and is home to the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Terapagos}}.

====[[Ultra Space]]====
* {{DL|Ultra Space Wilds|Cave World}} - A path accessed via the [[Ultra Space Wilds]], surrounded by large cave walls sloped towards an area seemingly seeped with light; home to rare [[Legendary Pokémon]].

====[[Decolore Islands]]====
* [[Cave Island]] - An island of the {{pkmn|animated series}}-exclusive Decolore Islands featuring a cave that was home to a {{Shiny}} {{p|Druddigon}} before it was caught by [[Clair]].

===In spin-off games===
====[[Pokémon Island]]====
* {{OBP|Cave|Snap}} - A dark cave accessed via the nearby [[river]], home to many {{pkmn2|nocturnal}} and {{type|Poison}} Pokémon. Towards the back of the cave's third chamber, several large crystals twinkle in the darkness like stars. If photographed, the developed photos show a mysterious and ghostly aurora around the crystals that resembles {{p|Mewtwo}}.

====[[Orre]]====
[[File:Cave Poké Spot XD.png|thumb|250px|The {{DL|Poké Spot|Cave Poké Spot}} in {{g|XD: Gale of Darkness}}]]
* [[Mt. Battle]] - A large, hollowed out, active [[volcano]].
* {{DL|Poké Spot|Cave Poké Spot}} - Located on the side of Mt. Battle, this [[Poké Spot]] is a small area in a cavern full of stalagmites and stalactites.
* [[Citadark Isle]] - A volcanic island with a labyrinth of lava-filled rooms and caves.
* [[Pyrite Cave]] - An abandoned coal mine; the bottom floor of the cave is connected to the sewers running underneath [[Pyrite Town]].
* [[Relic Cave]] - A small tunnel underneath [[Agate Village]], leading to the [[Relic Forest]] and [[Relic Stone]]. It is said that the whole area is blessed with {{p|Celebi}}'s power.
* [[The Under]] - A subterranean city situated directly beneath Pyrite Town in southwest Orre. A chasm in the northern part of Pyrite Town allowed sunlight to reach parts of The Under. It was originally an artificial town constructed for the convenience of the miners of Pyrite. The town was ultimately buried after [[Cipher]] was disbanded, to prevent future villains from hiding out there.

===={{OBP|Pokémon world|Mystery Dungeon|Mystery Dungeon world}}====
* [[Mystery Dungeon|Dungeons]] - A significant number of mystery dungeons are located inside caves.
** [[Lapis Cave]] - An ultramarine cave filled with blue jewels similar in appearance to {{wp|lapis lazuli}}.
** [[Magma Cavern]] - A deep magma-filled cave. It is home to {{p|Groudon}}.
** [[Meteor Cave]] - A cave created when rocks from a destroyed meteor crashed into a mountain. It is home to {{p|Deoxys}}.
** [[Murky Cave]] - A dark cave with rooted floors and various exotic plants.
** [[Oddity Cave]] - A strange cave with a forest inside.
** {{OBP|Rock Path|Rescue Team}} - A rocky tunnel preceding Lapis Cave and [[Mt. Blaze]].
** [[Snow Path]] - A snow-covered tunnel preceding [[Frosty Forest]] and [[Mt. Freeze]].
** [[Solar Cave]] - A radiant cave with flowers and greenery lining the intersection of the cave floors and root-wrapped walls.
** [[Southern Cavern]] - A cave composed of mostly of white rock with some small red rocks on its floor.
** [[Thunderwave Cave]] - An electromagnetic cave with patches of greenery.
** [[Western Cave]] - A lush, spring-fed cave. It is home to {{p|Mewtwo}}.
** [[Wish Cave]] - A colorful cave with blue floors and artificial walls. It is home to {{p|Jirachi}}.
** [[Beach Cave]] - A coastal cave with blue walls, sandy floors, and sporadic puddles.
** [[Aegis Cave]] - A blue-green cave that is home to {{p|Unown}} and the [[legendary giants]], {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Registeel}}, and {{p|Regice}}, as well as {{p|Regigigas}}.
** [[Brine Cave]] - A blue cave filled with beach sand; home to three powerful [[Fossil|Fossil Pokémon]].
** [[Craggy Coast]] - A coastal rocky stretch of cave.
** [[Chasm Cave]] - A spacious cave of the future.
** [[Crystal Cave]] - A crystal-filled cave
** [[Crystal Crossing]] - A shining cave filled with large crystals, featuring blue walls and aquamarine puddles of water.
** [[Crevice Cave]] - An icy blue cave inside a large crevice.
** [[Dark Crater]] - A shadowy cave with puddles of lava where {{p|Darkrai}} lurks.
** [[Drenched Bluff]] - A dampy rocky stretch of cave.
** [[Final Maze]] - The final chamber of the [[Makuhita Dojo]].
** [[Labyrinth Cave]] - A labyrinthine cave with puddles of water.
** [[Landslide Cave]] - A watery cave with many water puddles.
** {{OBP|Rock Path|Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky}} - A rocky tunnel path with water.
** [[Waterfall Cave]] - A water-filled cave containing a secret waterfall.
** [[Eastern Cave]] - A medium-sized cave with puzzles and a treasure room.
** [[Fortune Ravine]] - A cyan cave with treasure hidden in its depths.
** [[Inferno Cave]] - A volcanic, lava-filled cave,
** [[Limestone Cavern]] - A deep limestone stone cave with unique walls in its depths containing distinctive bowls of water.
** [[Spring Cave]] - A deep wet cave that acts as a water source.
** [[Star Cave]] - A blue crystal cave with green puddles, home to {{p|Jirachi}}.
** [[Forest Grotto]] - A water-filled cave with plenty of greenery and carpets of moss.
** [[Hazy Pass]] - A hot, hazy cliffside cave.
** [[Slumbering Cave]] - A bright and icy cave with bottomless pits.
** [[Stompstump Peak]] - Mountain caves abundant with plant life.
** [[Telluric Path]] - An esoteric cave with shimmering pools of water.
** [[Tempting Path]] - An alluring pink cave with small ponds.
** [[Moonlit Cave]] - An iridescent cave dotted with blue plants; located on the [[Air Continent]].
** [[Rough Tunnel]] - An uneven tunnel with steep drops; located on the Air Continent.
** [[Submerged Cave]] - An underwater cave; located near the Air Continent.
** [[Stealth Cavern]] - A sandy beach cave; located on the [[Grass Continent]].
** [[Flagstone Cave]] - A blue swampy cave; located on the [[Mist Continent]].
** [[Cave of Training]] - An arid cave; located on the [[Water Continent]].
** [[Drilbur Coal Mine]] - A coal mine and excavation site operated by {{p|Drilbur}}; located on the Water Continent.
** [[Gentle Slope Cave]] - A mossy cave; located on the Water Continent.
** [[Longfield Cave]] - A desert cave with various cacti; located on the Water Continent.
** [[Purifying Cave]] - A blue cave on the Water Continent.
** [[Waterfall Basin Grotto]] - A wet cave with coral; located on the Water Continent.
** {{OBP|Sandy Cave|Mystery Dungeon}} - A desert oasis cave; located on the [[Sand Continent]].
** [[Snowy Cave]] - A wet coral cave; located on the Sand Continent.
** [[Cave of the Deep]] - A bizarre purple and pink cave.
[[File:Echo Cave RTDX.png|thumb|250px|The [[Echo Cave]] [[rescue team camp]] in {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX}}]]
* [[Friend Area]]s
** [[Boulder Cave]] - A cave surrounded by craggy boulders. Pokémon that are capable of digging through even sheets of rock live here.
** [[Cryptic Cave]] - This very mysterious spot, said to be deep inside a dungeon, is the perfect place to store energy without expending any effort.
** [[Dragon Cave]] - Cracks between boulders are the only windows to the outside in this cavern. The Pokémon here dream of flying.
** [[Echo Cave]] - Pokémon enjoy the echoey quality of this small limestone cavern. Many Pokémon that use ultrasonic waves live here.
** [[Seafloor Cave]] - It is said that a mythological Pokémon, spoken of through the ages, lives inside this unexplored cavern. It is the preferred Friend Area of {{p|Kyogre}}.
* Dojos
** [[Makuhita Dojo]] - Several cave mazes can be explored in {{p|Makuhita}}'s dojo located south of [[Pokémon Square]]. Namely, these include the Normal, Ice, Fighting, Ground, Flying, Psychic, Rock, Ghost, Dragon, and Steel Caves.
** [[Marowak Dojo]] - Several cave mazes can be explored in {{p|Marowak}}'s dojo located in [[Treasure Town]].

====[[Fiore]]====
* [[Krokka Tunnel]] - This somewhat-dangerous tunnel links [[Ringtown]] and [[Fall City]]. {{p|Registeel}} is located within this cave.
* [[Panula Cave]] - This cave's deepest area is encased in ice. It is the coldest spot in the Fiore region.

====[[Almia]]====
* [[Chroma Ruins]] - Curious ruins from long ago, located in the northwest of the Chroma Highlands. No one knows when the original site was built or who undertook the monumental task. Legends speak of a precious treasure resting deep inside.
* [[Crysta Cave]] - A cave located between [[Hia Valley]] and a river on [[Union Road]].
* {{ra|Marine Cave}} - A cave that can only be accessed when the tide is low.
* [[Volcano Cave]] - The prime tourist destination on the island of Boyleland. Its cave is filled with pool and rivers of roiling magma.

===={{pkmn|Rumble}} world====
* {{OBP|Rocky Cave|Rumble}} - The third level in {{g|Rumble}} containing a variety of Pokémon.

====[[Oblivia]]====
* [[Rasp Cavern]] - A cave located northwest of [[Teakwood Forest]] on [[Renbow Island]].

====[[PokéPark]]====
* [[Cavern Zone]] - an abandoned mine and currently home to many Rock-type, Steel-type, and other cave-dwelling Pokémon. The leader of this zone is {{p|Blaziken}}.

===[[Pokéwalker]] areas===
* {{pw|Dim Cave}} - A dark cave sometimes used as a test of courage. Look closely, and you'll find many Pokémon.
* {{pw|Scary Cave}} - A pitch-black cave that seems haunted. It's said that many Pokémon live deep inside.
* {{pw|Quiet Cave}} - A quiet, deep, and empty cave. If you look carefully, you'll find some rare Pokémon.

==Pokédex entries==
A few Pokémon are closely associated with caves, and many Pokémon are known to [[List of Pokémon by habitat#Cave Pokémon|live in caves as their natural habitat]]. Additionally, several [[Pokédex entry|Pokédex entries]], as well as other sources, reference caves.
{| class="roundtable" style="margin: auto; background: #{{locationcolor/dark|cave}}; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/med|cave}}"
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! style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytl|10px}}" width=150px | {{color|000|Pokémon}}
! style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytr|10px}}" width=750px | {{color|000|Description}}

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0041Zubat.png|50px]] {{p|Zubat}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| During the day, Zubat gathers with others and sleeps hanging upside down from the ceilings of caves. While living in pitch-black caverns, their eyes gradually grew shut and deprived them of vision. Even in tight caves, Zubat flies around with skill.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0050Diglett.png|50px]] {{p|Diglett}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Diglett spends most of its time digging tunnels underground, though it may pop up in caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0150Mewtwo.png|50px]] {{p|Mewtwo}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Said to rest quietly in an undiscovered cave, Mewtwo was created solely for battling.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0169Crobat.png|50px]] {{p|Crobat}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Crobat can fly through cramped caves without needing to slow down.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0202Wobbuffet.png|50px]] {{p|Wobbuffet}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| In order to conceal its black tail, Wobbuffet makes its lair in dark caves where it waits for nightfall before moving about.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0206Dunsparce.png|50px]] {{p|Dunsparce}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Dunsparce hides deep inside caves where no light ever reaches it and remains virtually motionless there.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0224Octillery.png|50px]] {{p|Octillery}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Octillery usually sleeps in caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0230Kingdra.png|50px]] {{p|Kingdra}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Kingdra lives in caves on the seafloor and creates giant whirlpools every time it moves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0302Sableye.png|50px]] {{p|Sableye}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Sableye lead quiet lives deep inside caverns. It digs branching holes in caves using its sharp claws in search of food—raw gems.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0343Baltoy.png|50px]] {{p|Baltoy}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Depictions of Pokémon similar to Baltoy have been found on the walls of caves where primitive humans lived.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0360Wynaut.png|50px]] {{p|Wynaut}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Wynaut cluster in a tight group to sleep in a cave.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0361Snorunt.png|50px]] {{p|Snorunt}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| In seasons without snow, such as spring and summer, Snorunt steals away to live quietly among stalactites and stalagmites deep in caverns.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0443Gible.png|50px]] {{p|Gible}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Gible prefers to stay in narrow holes in the sides of caves heated by geothermal energy. It skulks in caves, and when prey or an enemy passes by, it leaps out and chomps them.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0444Gabite.png|50px]] {{p|Gabite}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Gabite is the [[Pokémon category|Cave Pokémon]]. Jewels are buried in the caves these Pokémon nest in, but you'll be torn apart by claws and fangs the moment you enter one of these caves. It seeks treasures in caves and hoards the loot into its nest. Shiny objects are its passion. It can be found in its cave, scarcely moving, its gaze fixed on the jewels it's amassed or {{p|Carbink}} it has caught. This Pokémon emits ultrasonic waves from a protrusion on either side of its head to probe pitch-dark caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0507Herdier.png|50px]] {{p|Herdier}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Herdier has been living with people for so long that portrayals of it can be found on the walls of caves from long, long ago.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0513Pansear.png|50px]] {{p|Pansear}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Pansear lives in caves in [[volcano]]es.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0525Boldore.png|50px]] {{p|Boldore}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Boldore looks for underground water in caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0527Woobat.png|50px]] {{p|Woobat}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Suction from Woobat's nostrils enables it to stick to cave walls during sleep. It leaves a heart-shaped mark behind. While inside a cave, if you look up and see lots of heart-shaped marks lining the walls, it's evidence that Woobat live there.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0597Ferroseed.png|50px]] {{p|Ferroseed}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Mossy caves are Ferroseed's preferred dwellings. They stick their spikes into cave walls and absorb the minerals they find in the rock.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0598Ferrothorn.png|50px]] {{p|Ferrothorn}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Ferrothorn attach themselves to cave ceilings, firing steel spikes at targets passing beneath them.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0612Haxorus.png|50px]] {{p|Haxorus}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Haxorus nests in caves and abandoned mines.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0621Druddigon.png|50px]] {{p|Druddigon}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Druddigon is the [[Pokémon category|Cave Pokémon]]. It lives in nests in caves dug out by other Pokémon, treating the stolen nests as their own lairs. Druddigon infiltrates and races through these narrow caves and tunnels formed by Pokémon like {{p|Diglett}}, {{p|Dugtrio}}, {{p|Excadrill}}, and {{p|Onix}}, and quietly waits for prey to pass through, using its sharp claws to catch its meal.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0633Deino.png|50px]] {{p|Deino}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Deino nests deep inside a cave. Food there is scarce, so Deino will sink its teeth into anything that moves and attempt to eat it.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0703Carbink.png|50px]] {{p|Carbink}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Carbink is occasionally found during the excavation of caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0714Noibat.png|50px]] {{p|Noibat}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Noibat live in pitch black caves. After nightfall, they emerge from the caves they nest in during the day.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0718Zygarde.png|50px]] {{p|Zygarde}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| It's hypothesized that Zygarde is monitoring those who destroy the ecosystem from deep in the cave where it lives.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0758Salazzle.png|50px]] {{p|Salazzle}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Salazzle lives deep in caves and forces the Salandit it has attracted with its pheromones to serve it.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0768Golisopod.png|50px]] {{p|Golisopod}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Golisopod battles skillfully with its six arms, but spends most of its time peacefully meditating in caves deep beneath the sea.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0776Turtonator.png|50px]] {{p|Turtonator}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| On rainy days, Turtonator takes silent refuge in caves.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0878Cufant.png|50px]] {{p|Cufant}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| In the mornings, Cufant heads into caves with its herd, in search of the ore on which these Pokémon feed.

|-
! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0884Duraludon.png|50px]] {{p|Duraludon}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Duraludon lives in caves because it dislikes the rain.

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! style="background: #fff" | [[File:0969Glimmet.png|50px]] {{p|Glimmet}}
|class="l" style="padding:5px"| Glimmet absorbs nutrients from cave walls.

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Area Zero Underdepths

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{{Infobox location
|image=Area Zero Underdepths.png
|type=cave
|location_name=Area Zero Underdepths
|japanese_name=ゼロの大空洞
|translated_name=Great Zero Hollow
|location=[[Great Crater of Paldea]] Beneath [[Area Zero]]
|region=Paldea
|generation={{gen|IX}}
|mapsize=300px
|map=Paldea Great Crater of Paldea Map.png
}}

The '''Area Zero Underdepths''' (Japanese: '''ゼロの大空洞''' ''Great Zero Hollow'') is an area located within the [[Great Crater of Paldea]] at the center of the [[Paldea]] [[region]], but even deeper than [[Area Zero]].

==Geography==
The Area Zero Underdepths is a large cavern, roughly 3,300 feet (1 kilometer) below the surface, located beneath [[Area Zero]]. It is only accessible via the elevator in [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}}'s [[Zero Lab]] and only unlocked by using the [[Indigo Disk]].

From the composition of the rock, the underdepths likely formed approximately 2 million years ago, predating even the formation of the [[Great Crater of Paldea]]. It experienced numerous cave-ins in the past, likely due to erosion and tectonic activity, but has remained stable since the last major cave-in. There are also indications that many objects or creatures filled the space prior to the current cavern's formation.

The Area Zero Underdepths consist of several large chambers connected by tunnels. It is filled with large Terastal crystals, similar to those found at the bottom of Area Zero. These crystals increase with depth until the deepest tunnel is made from solid crystal. Also near the bottom of the Underdepths is a subterranean lake. On an island in this lake is a large tree, seemingly covered in or made from crystal.

Several Pokémon species also inhabit the Underdepths, primarily Rock- or Ground-type Pokémon. Prior to certain seismic shifts, {{p|Terapagos}} supposedly lived there before becoming nearly extinct.

==Places of interest==
[[File:Terapagos cave.png|thumb|200px|{{ga|Terapagos}} slumbering in the deepest cavern of Area Zero Underdepths]]
===Tera crystal clusters===
There're several clusters of Tera crystals blocking paths all over the Area Zero Underdepths. These crystals are theorized to be guardians "watching" over the hidden treasure of Area Zero. According to [[Briar]], they're likely a manifestation of pure [[Terastal energy]]. She also also has no idea what might happen if they're destroyed with brute force. For that reason, the [[Player character|player]] has to defeat a {{t|Stellar}} [[Terastal phenomenon|Tera type]] Pokémon near it, which causes the cluster to be desintegrated, allowing they, Briar, [[Carmine]] and [[Kieran]] to continue their expedition.

===Crystal tree===
A cavern flooded with water and with an island in center where a large, crystallized tree is located in. This tree is similar to others up in [[Area Zero]], however unlike them, it is completly crystallized and way bigger than the others. The [[Player character|player]] has to go there and defeat a Stellar Tera type {{p|Garganacl}} so they, [[Briar]], [[Carmine]], and [[Kieran]] can progress further into the underdepths.

===Secret cavern===
A secret cavern filled with different items that is blocked by one of the Tera crystals clusters until the optional Stellar Tera type {{p|Garchomp}} is defeated.

===Terapagos's cavern===
The cavern where the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Terapagos}} has slumbers in the form of a crystal. {{ga|Terapagos|This Terapagos}} appears to be the last one of its kind after seismic shifts brought the species to the brink of extinction. The cavern is located at the very bottom of the Underdepths.

There, the [[Player character|player]], [[Briar]], [[Carmine]], and [[Kieran]] find Terapagos and Kieran is the one to catch it, but after losing to the player one more time, Briar advises him to [[Terastal phenomenon|Terastallize]] it into its Stellar Form, which causes it to go out of control. However, the player and Kieran defeat it, allowing the player to catch it for good.

==Items==
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{{itlisth}}
{{itemlist|Stellar Tera Shard SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Stellar Tera Shard]]}}
{{itemlist|Star Piece SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Star Piece]]}}
{{itemlist|Hard Stone SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Hard Stone]]}}
{{itemlist|Stardust SV|Overworld|Sc=yes|V=yes|display=[[Stardust]]}}
{{itlistfoot}}

== Pokémon ==
All Pokémon that appear in this zone area considered [[wanderer]] encounters internally, (rather than spawning randomly), and therefore always appear in the same locations, have the standard 1/4096 chance to be {{Shiny}} and ignore any typical bonuses applied, and are additionally ineligible for naturally generating [[Mark]]s, (except for the Jumbo and Mini marks).<ref>https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1753874296772935729</ref> <ref>https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1601990353564966915</ref>

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|- style="color:#fff"
! style="background:#{{paldea color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Species
! style="background:#{{paldea color light}}" | Level
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 66
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 69
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 69
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 70
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 69
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 63
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 63
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 68
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 71
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 68
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 67
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0969|Glimmet}}{{p|Glimmet}}
| 67
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 65
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 75
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 75
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0970|Glimmora}}{{p|Glimmora}}
| 75
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 67
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{MSP/9|0703|Carbink}}{{p|Carbink}}
| 69
|}

==Special encounters==
=== Mandatory Stellar Tera Pokémon===
A variety of {{t|Stellar}} Tera Pokémon must be defeated in order to shrink the crystals blocking the way during the events of [[The Indigo Disk]], allowing the player, [[Carmine]], [[Kieran]], and [[Briar]] to progress further into the Underdepths. None of them can be {{pkmn2|caught}}, and they are coded to never be {{Shiny}}.
{{Flexheader|justify-content=space-evenly}}
{{Pokémon/9
| caption = Scarlet and Violet
| ndex = 970
| pokemon = Glimmora
| gender = male
| level = 78
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Rock
| type2 = Poison
| ability = Toxic Debris
| move1 = Rock Slide
| move1type = Rock
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Power Gem
| move2type = Rock
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Acid Armor
| move3type = Poison
| move3cat = Status
| move4 = Sludge Wave
| move4type = Poison
| move4cat = Special
}}
{{Pokémon/9
| caption = Scarlet and Violet
| ndex = 715
| pokemon = Noivern
| gender = male
| level = 78
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Flying
| type2 = Dragon
| ability = Frisk
| move1 = Roost
| move1type = Flying
| move1cat = Status
| move2 = Tailwind
| move2type = Flying
| move2cat = Status
| move3 = Hurricane
| move3type = Flying
| move3cat = Special
| move4 = Boomburst
| move4type = Normal
| move4cat = Special
}}
{{Pokémon/9
| caption = Scarlet
| ndex = 989
| pokemon = Sandy Shocks
| level = 79
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Electric
| type2 = Ground
| ability = Protosynthesis
| move1 = Discharge
| move1type = Electric
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Earth Power
| move2type = Ground
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Mirror Coat
| move3type = Psychic
| move3cat = Special
| move4 = Gravity
| move4type = Psychic
| move4cat = Status
}}
{{Pokémon/9
| caption = Violet
| ndex = 995
| pokemon = Iron Thorns
| level = 79
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Rock
| type2 = Electric
| ability = Quark Drive
| move1 = Wild Charge
| move1type = Electric
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Pin Missile
| move2type = Bug
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Earthquake
| move3type = Ground
| move3cat = Physical
| move4 = Stealth Rock
| move4type = Rock
| move4cat = Status
}}
{{Pokémon/9
| caption = Scarlet and Violet
| ndex = 934
| pokemon = Garganacl
| gender = male
| level = 80
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Rock
| ability = Purifying Salt
| move1 = Hammer Arm
| move1type = Fighting
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Heavy Slam
| move2type = Steel
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Earthquake
| move3type = Ground
| move3cat = Physical
| move4 = Stone Edge
| move4type = Rock
| move4cat = Physical
}}
{{flexfooter}}

===Optional Stellar Tera Pokémon===
[[File:SV Stellar Garchomp Room.png|thumb|230px|Stellar Tera Type {{p|Garchomp}}'s location]]
A {{p|Garchomp}} can be encountered and subsequently defeated in order to shrink a crystal in the room prior to one that wraps downwards in a staircase. It cannot be caught, and is coded to never be {{Shiny}}.

{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 445
| pokemon = Garchomp
| gender = male
| level = 80
| tera = Stellar
| type1 = Dragon
| type2 = Ground
| ability = Sand Veil
| move1 = Dragon Claw
| move1type = Dragon
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Dig
| move2type = Ground
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Sandstorm
| move3type = Rock
| move3cat = Status
| move4 = Take Down
| move4type = Normal
| move4cat = Physical
}}

===Terapagos ===
[[File:SV VS Stellar Form Terapagos.png|thumb|230px|Battling Stellar Form Terapagos]]
After [[Kieran]] has been defeated, he will attempt to Terastallize Terapagos, causing it to become uncontrollable. The player must battle it with no opportunity to change teams or heal from the end of the previous battle; losing this battle will revert the game back to before the player's battle against Kieran. It must be caught by the player upon its defeat, and is coded to never be {{Shiny}}. Additionally, this Terapagos is always coded to be male, despite it having a [[gender]] ratio of one male to one female.

In the battle against Stellar Form Terapagos, it has four times the usual amount of health (with a large health bar across the top of the screen in a similar fashion to [[Titan Pokémon]] and [[Starmobile]]s, which identifies it as '''Terapagos, the Hidden Treasure of Area Zero'''), and unlimited PP for all of its moves, but its {{a|Teraform Zero}} ability does not function. Similar to a [[Tera Raid Battle]], it can put up a shield to become immune to many status moves and reduce the damage it takes from attacking moves, and the player will be unable to Terastallize their Pokémon until they charge the Tera Orb by hitting with a certain number of damaging moves, but only two attacks are required to charge it, instead of the three from standard Tera Raid Battles. Unlike Tera Raid Battles, there is no time limit and no cheering, and the player can switch Pokémon and use items from the Bag.

Terapagos will put up three shields over the course of the battle: one at the beginning, and the others immediately after the previous shield is broken. Each shield covers 27% of Terapagos's health bar, and if any attack deals enough damage to break the shield, all further damage from that attack (including from [[multistrike move]]s) is prevented, similar to {{g|Sword and Shield}}'s [[Max Raid Battle]]s. When a new shield is put up, Terapagos is cured of any status condition, all stat modifiers to any Pokémon are erased (but other field effects such as [[weather]] and {{m|Light Screen}} remain in place), and if any of the player's Pokémon have been Terastallized, they lose that status. The Tera Orb must be recharged before the player can Terastallize a Pokémon again.

*In the first phase of the battle, Terapagos is {{t|Normal}} type, and Carmine participates as a partner using her Sinistcha. If Sinistcha faints, the player must continue the remainder of the phase alone. If Sinistcha has not yet fainted when the shield breaks, Terapagos uses {{m|Zen Headbutt}} on Sinistcha at that time, even if an effect such as {{m|Imprison}} would normally prevent the move from being used. This extra move ignores the usual accuracy and damage formulas and is configured to deal 9999 damage; then, if Sinistcha somehow has any HP remaining afterwards, its HP will be forcefully set to 0 anyway, ensuring that Sinistcha faints and does not participate in later phases.<ref>[https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1753849078943723899 Sibuna_Switch on Twitter]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLS2WyCaDIM When the game says, in no uncertain terms, "no tea for you"]</ref>
* In the second phase, Terapagos changes to a {{t|Psychic}} type, and the player must face it alone.
*In the third phase, Terapagos changes to a {{t|Water}} type, and Kieran joins as a partner using his remaining five Pokémon. Terapagos will remain Water type after the final shield is broken.

{{Party/Single
|color={{Indigo Disk color light}}
|bordercolor={{scarlet color dark}}
|headcolor={{scarlet color light}}
|sprite=VSCarmine.png
|size=x100px|width=160px
|prize=none
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Carmine}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero Underdepths
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 1013
| pokemon = Sinistcha
| level = 75
| type1 = Grass
| type2 = Ghost
| ability = Hospitality
| move1 = Matcha Gotcha
| move1type = Grass
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Life Dew
| move2type = Water
| move2cat = Status
| move3 = Shadow Ball
| move3type = Ghost
| move3cat = Special
| move4 = Rage Powder
| move4type = Bug
| move4cat = Status
}}
{{Party/Footer}}
{{-}}
{{Party/Single
|color={{Indigo Disk color light}}
|bordercolor={{violet color dark}}
|headcolor={{violet color light}}
|sprite=VSKieran 5.png
|size=x100px|width=160px
|prize=none
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Kieran}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero Underdepths
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 1019
| pokemon = Hydrapple
| gender = male
| level = 82
| type1 = Grass
| type2 = Dragon
| ability = Supersweet Syrup
| move1 = Syrup Bomb
| move1type = Grass
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Fickle Beam
| move2type = Dragon
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Dragon Cheer
| move3type = Dragon
| move3cat = Status
| move4 = Body Press
| move4type = Fighting
| move4cat = Physical
}}
|{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 149
| pokemon = Dragonite
| gender = male
| level = 80
| type1 = Dragon
| type2 = Flying
| ability = Multiscale
| move1 = Hurricane
| move1type = Flying
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Thunder
| move2type = Electric
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Extreme Speed
| move3type = Normal
| move3cat = Physical
| move4 = Breaking Swipe
| move4type = Dragon
| move4cat = Physical
}}
|{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 474
| pokemon = Porygon-Z
| level = 81
| type1 = Normal
| ability = Adaptability
| move1 = Hyper Beam
| move1type = Normal
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Shadow Ball
| move2type = Ghost
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Thunderbolt
| move3type = Electric
| move3cat = Special
| move4 = Ice Beam
| move4type = Ice
| move4cat = Special
}}
{{Party/Div|color={{Indigo Disk color light}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 861
| pokemon = Grimmsnarl
| gender = male
| level = 81
| type1 = Dark
| type2 = Fairy
| ability = Prankster
| move1 = Sucker Punch
| move1type = Dark
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Spirit Break
| move2type = Fairy
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Reflect
| move3type = Psychic
| move3cat = Status
| move4 = Light Screen
| move4type = Psychic
| move4cat = Status
}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 727
| pokemon = Incineroar
| gender = male
| level = 81
| type1 = Fire
| type2 = Dark
| ability = Intimidate
| move1 = Flare Blitz
| move1type = Fire
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Darkest Lariat
| move2type = Dark
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Fake Out
| move3type = Normal
| move3cat = Physical
| move4 = Brick Break
| move4type = Fighting
| move4cat = Physical
}}
{{Party/Footer}}
{{-}}
{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 1024
| pokemon = Terapagos
| gender = male
| img = HOME1024S
| type1 = Normal
| tera = Stellar
| ability = Tera Shift
| level = 85
| move1 = Tera Starstorm
| move1type = Stellar
| move1cat = Special
| move2 = Zen Headbutt
| move2type = Psychic
| move2cat = Physical
| move3 = Earth Power
| move3type = Ground
| move3cat = Special
| move4 = Water Pulse
| move4type = Water
| move4cat = Special
}}

==Trainers==
When Kieran is controlling Terapagos, it possesses twice the usual amount of [[HP]] and has a large HP bar at the top of the screen that identifies it as '''Terapagos, the Indigo Disk'''.
{{Party/Single
|color={{Indigo Disk color light}}
|bordercolor={{violet color dark}}
|headcolor={{violet color light}}
|sprite=VSKieran 4.png
|size=x100px|width=160px
|prize=none
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Kieran}}
|game=SV
|location=Area Zero Underdepths
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
| ndex = 1024
| pokemon = Terapagos
| form = -Terastal
| gender = male
| level = 85
| type1 = Normal
| ability = Tera Shell
| move1 = Zen Headbutt
| move1type = Psychic
| move1cat = Physical
| move2 = Earth Power
| move2type = Ground
| move2cat = Special
| move3 = Water Pulse
| move3type = Water
| move3cat = Special
}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Music==
{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align: center; background: #{{locationcolor/med|cave}}; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|cave}}"
|- style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|cave}}"
!Games
!Location
!Song name (Japanese)
!Song name (English Translation)
!Composition
!Arrangement
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="8" |{{GameIcon|Sc}}{{GameIcon|Vi}}
|When in the Underdepths
|ゼロの大空洞
|Area Zero Underdepths
|[[Toby Fox]]
|[[Hitomi_Satō|Hitomi Sato]]
|-
|During a wild Pokémon battle
|戦闘！エリアゼロのポケモン
|Battle! (Pokémon in Area Zero)
| [[Toby Fox]]
|[[Go Ichinose]]
|-
|When Terapagos awakens from its gem
|蘇ったテラパゴス
|Terapagos Comes Back to Life
|[[Toby Fox]] Rei Murayama [[Go Ichinose]]
|Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
|When battling Kieran's Terapagos in the Underdepths
| 戦闘！テラパゴス
|Battle! (Terapagos)
|Rei Murayama [[Go Ichinose]]
|[[Go Ichinose]]
|-
|When Briar prompts Kieran to Terastallize Terapagos
|秘宝の条件
|Conditions of the Hidden Treasure
|[[Toby Fox]]
|Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
|When Kieran attempts to recall Terapagos to its Poké Ball
|テラパゴスの暴走
|Terapagos's Rampage
|[[Toby Fox]] Rei Murayama [[Go Ichinose]]
|Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
|When battling Stellar Form Terapagos
|戦闘！ゼロの秘宝テラパゴス
|Battle! (Terapagos - The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero)
|Rei Murayama [[Toby Fox]] [[Go Ichinose]]
|[[Go Ichinose]]
|-
|Upon Terapagos being captured
|テラパゴスを捕まえた！
|Caught the Terapagos!
|[[Toby Fox]]
|Hiromitsu Maeba
|-
|}

==In the TCG ==
[[File:AreaZeroUnderdepthsStellarCrown131.jpg|200px|thumb|Area Zero Underdepths in the TCG]]
{{main|Area Zero Underdepths (Stellar Crown 131)}}
'''Area Zero Underdepths''' is introduced as a {{TCG|Stadium card}} in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] during the English Scarlet & Violet Series (the Japanese Scarlet & Violet Era). It was first released in the Japanese {{TCG|Stellar Miracle}} expansion and the English {{TCG|Stellar Crown}} expansion, with artwork by [[MARINA Chikazawa]]. A gold-etched {{TCG|hyper rare}} version with artwork by the same illustrator was released in the same sets. As long as this Stadium is in play, each player may have up to 8 Benched Pokémon (an increased amount from the normal limit of 5) if they have any {{DL|Pokémon ex (TCG)|Tera Pokémon ex|Tera Pokémon}} in play. If a player no longer has any Tera Pokémon in play, they discard Benched Pokémon until they have 5 remaining. If this Stadium is removed from play, both players discard Benched Pokémon until they have 5 remaining, and the player who played the Stadium discards first.
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==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|zh_cmn=零之大空洞 ''{{tt|Líng zhī Dàkōngdòng|Great Zero Hollow}}''
|zh_yue=零之大空洞 ''{{tt|Lìhng jī Daaihhūngduhng|Great Zero Hollow}}''
|fr=Abîme Zéro
|de=Höhlensystem Null
|id=Gua Besar Zero
|it=Grande Abisso Zero
|ko=제로의 대공동 ''{{tt|Zero-ui Daegongdong|Great Zero Hollow}}''
|pt_br=Abismo da Área Zero
|es=Caverna Abisal Cero
}}

==Related articles==
*[[The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero]]
*[[Professor Sada]]
*[[Professor Turo]]
*[[Area Zero]]
*{{p|Terapagos}}
*[[Paradox Pokémon]]
*[[Stellar (type)]]

==References==
{{reflist}}
{{Paldea}}
{{legendarylocations|paldea}}
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{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Scarlet and Violet locations]]

[[de:Höhlensystem Null]]
[[es:Caverna Abisal Cero]]
[[fr:Abîme Zéro]]
[[it:Grande Abisso Zero]]
[[ja:ゼロの大空洞]]
[[zh:零之大空洞]]

Iris (Masters)

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{{MissingInfo|1|enva}}
{{MastersInfobox
|type=dragon
|name=Iris
|jname=アイリス
|jtrans=Iris
|image=Spr Masters Iris.png
|size=200px
|caption=Iris's model
|num=43
|enva=Unknown
|java=Ayana Taketatsu<ref name="Ayana Taketatsu">[https://twitter.com/pokemas_game/status/1372428301730467841 Pokémon Masters EX Official Japanese profile on Twitter]</ref>
|desc=This lively young Trainer's family lives among dragon Pokémon. Despite her youth, her skills in battle have made her a {{pkmn|Champion}}.
}}
'''Iris''' (Japanese: '''アイリス''' ''Iris'') is a [[Pokémon Trainer]] in [[Pokémon Masters EX]], based on the [[Iris|character of the same name]] in the [[core series]] {{pkmn|games}}. She forms a [[sync pair]] with {{TP|Iris|Haxorus}}. The sync pair is obtained during the events of [[PML Arc#Chapter 9: The Beauty of Friendship|Chapter 9]] of the [[PML Arc|Main Story]]. The pair's potential can be upgraded to [[Sync pair#Increasing potential|6★ EX]] from December 28, 2020, which unlocks Iris's EX Style.

Iris is also available in her {{pkmn|Champion}} attire, partnered alongside {{p|Hydreigon}}. The pair could be obtained through a limited-time {{DL|sync pair|sync pair scout}} and was first made available on March 18, 2021. This pair is also capable of being upgraded to 6★ EX since its release.

Iris also appears in her Fall 2022 costume, partnered with {{p|Naganadel}}. This pair could be obtained though a limited-time seasonal sync pair scout and was first made available on October 17, 2022. This pair is also capable of being raised to 6★ EX since its release.

==Haxorus==
{{Masters
|name=Haxorus
|ndex=612
|type=Dragon
|role=Strike (Physical)
|gender=f
|move1=Dragon
|base=3EX
|weakness=Ice
|description=They are kind but can be relentless when defending territory. They challenge foes with tusks that can cut steel.
|hp=491|atk=295|def=156|spatk=75|spdef=117|spe=190
|hp2=611|atk2=355|def2=216|spatk2=135|spdef2=177|spe2=250
}}

===Moves===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! {{color2|000|Type}}
! {{color2|000|Damage category|Category}}
! Move gauge
! Base {{color2|000|Power}}
! Max {{color2|000|Power}}
! {{color2|000|Accuracy}}
! Target
! width=200px | Description
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Dragon Claw}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|2
|50
|60
|100%
|An opponent
|No additional effect.
|- style="background:#fff"
|[[X Attack]]
{{typetable|None}}
{{statustable|Status}}
|0 (2 uses)
|—
|—
|—
|Self
|Raises the user's Attack by 2 stat ranks.
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Outrage}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|3
|115
|138
|100%
|An opponent
|Leaves the user confused.
|- style="background:#fff"
|You're Going Down!
{{typetable|None}}
{{statustable|Status}}
|0 (2 uses)
|—
|—
|—
|Self
|Raises the user's Speed by 1 stat rank. Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 2 stat ranks.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=9 | {{color2|000|Sync move|Sync moves}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Dragon Sage {{mcolor|Outrage|000}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|—
|250
|300
|—
|An opponent
|(6★ EX) effect: Sync move targets all opponents.
|}

===Skills===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! Description
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Passive skill|Passive Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Power Reserves 2
|Powers up the user's moves when in a pinch.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Theme skill|Theme Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Dragon Strike
|Raises allies' Attack and Sp. Atk by 15 when using Dragon-type attacks.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Unova Strike
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Gym Leader Strike
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Undella Town Strike
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 3.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Trainer Lodge#Expeditions|Expedition Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Fiery ↑ 1 Wistful ↑ 1
|Raises the following discovery levels by 1:
* Fiery Crystal
* Wistful Crystal
|}

===Sync Grid===
Iris and Haxorus's [[sync grid]] is an expanded grid, made available on February 5, 2020.
{| class="roundy sortable" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! Effect
! Energy required
! Sync orb required
! Move level required
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +20
| HP +20
| 6
| 72
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +10
| Defense +10
| 4
| 48
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +10
| Defense +10
| 5
| 60
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +10
| Sp. Def +10
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +10
| Sp. Def +10
| 5
| 60
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +10
| Speed +10
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +10
| Speed +10
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +10
| Speed +10
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +3
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +3
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +3
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +3
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +3
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +3
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +3
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +3
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +4
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Power +4
| Dragon Claw: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Move Gauge Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 5
| 60
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Move Gauge Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 5
| 60
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Claw: Zero In 1
| Critical hits land more easily when the user's attack move is used.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Power +4
| Outrage: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Power +4
| Outrage: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Power +4
| Outrage: Power ↑ +4
| 5
| 60
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Power +4
| Outrage: Power ↑ +4
| 5
| 60
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Outrage: Confusion Boon 5
| Powers up the user's moves when it is confused.
| 8
| 96
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| X Attack: MP Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of restoring one MP of the move used if the move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| You're Going Down!: MP Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of restoring one MP of the move used if the move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| You're Going Down!: Durable 4
| Has a chance (50%) of making the user able to endure the next hit it takes that would reduce it to 0 HP when a move is successful.
| 8
| 96
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Carry On 1
| Raises the user's Attack by 1 stat rank when another Pokémon on the field of play faints.
| 10
| 120
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Quick Cure
| Removes the confused, flinching, and trapped conditions from the user the first time they are inflicted each battle.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speedy Entry 2
| Raises the user's Speed by 2 stat ranks when it enters a battle.
| 5
| 60
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Unhindered
| When the user attacks, ignores damage-reducing effects on the target's field of play.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Sage Outrage: Power +25
| Dragon Sage Outrage: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Sage Outrage: Power +25
| Dragon Sage Outrage: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|}

==Hydreigon==
Raising this sync pair to 6★ EX will unlock Song Key 05005, which allows "Battle! (Champion Iris) (Pokémon Masters EX Version)" to be played in the {{mas|Jukebox}}.

{{MastersInfobox
|type=dragon
|name=Iris (Alt.)
|jname=アイリス（アナザー）
|jtrans=Iris (Another)
|image=Spr Masters Iris Champion.png
|size=200px
|caption=Iris's model (Alt.)
|num=43
|enva=Unknown
|java=Ayana Taketatsu
|desc=Now {{pkmn|Champion}} of the [[Unova]] region, Iris has calmed down slightly but is just as strong a Trainer as ever. She enjoys having serious battles with skilled Trainers.
}}
{{Masters
|name=Hydreigon
|ndex=635
|type=Dragon
|role=Tech
|gender=f
|move1=Dragon
|move2=Dark
|base=6
|weakness=Fairy
|description=The heads on their arms do not have brains. They use all three heads to consume and destroy everything.
|hp=665|atk=414|def=196|spatk=414|spdef=196|spe=283
|hp2=765|atk2=454|def2=236|spatk2=454|spdef2=236|spe2=323
}}
{{-}}

===Moves===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! {{color2|000|Type}}
! {{color2|000|Damage category|Category}}
! Move gauge
! Base {{color2|000|Power}}
! Max {{color2|000|Power}}
! {{color2|000|Accuracy}}
! Target
! width=200px | Description
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Breaking Swipe}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|2
|30
|36
|100%
|All opponents
|Lowers the target's Attack by 1 stat rank.
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Snarl}}
|{{t|Dark}} [[File:DarkIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Special}}
|2
|39
|46
|95%
|All opponents
|Lowers the target's Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank.
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Dragon Rush}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|3
|130
|156
|75%
|An opponent
|Has a chance (20%) of making the target flinch.
|- style="background:#fff"
|Three Heads!
{{typetable|None}}
{{statustable|Status}}
|0 (1 use)
|—
|—
|—
|Allied side
|Applies the Move Gauge Acceleration effect to the allied field of play. Reduces the user's sync move countdown by 1. Raises the user's Attack by 2 stat ranks. Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 1 stat rank.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=9 | {{color2|000|Sync move|Sync moves}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Triple Threat {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|000}}
|{{t|Dragon}} [[File:DragonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Physical}}
|—
|200
|240
|—
|An opponent
|The more the target's stats have been lowered, the greater the power of this attack. (6★ EX) effect: Power of sync move increases by 50%.''
|}

===Skills===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! Description
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Passive skill|Passive Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Piercing Gaze
|Moves never miss.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Power Loving
|The more the target's stats have been lowered, the more it powers up the user's moves.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Double Drop
|When an opponent's stat is lowered, it is lowered by double the stat ranks.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Theme skill|Theme Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Dragon Tech
|Raises allies' Attack and Sp. Atk by 12 when using Dragon-type attacks. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 12.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Unova Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 1.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Champion Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 1.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Undella Town Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Trainer Lodge#Expeditions|Expedition Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Soothing ↑ 3 Wistful ↓ 1
|Raises the following discovery level by 3:
* Soothing Crystal
Lowers the following discovery level by 1:
* Wistful Crystal
|}

===Sync Grid===
Iris and Hydreigon's [[sync grid]] is an expanded grid, made available when the pair was first released.
{| class="roundy sortable" style="margin:auto; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color light}}"
! Name
! Effect
! Energy required
! Sync orb required
! Move level required
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +5
| Attack +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Attack +20
| Attack +20
| 7
| 84
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +5
| Sp. Atk +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +20
| Sp. Atk +20
| 7
| 84
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Power +4
| Breaking Swipe: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Breaking Swipe: Critical Strike 1
| Powers up the user's attacks when they become critical hits.
| 8
| 96
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Power +4
| Snarl: Power ↑ +4
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Snarl: Superduper Effective 2
| Powers up moves that are super effective.
| 8
| 96
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Power +3
| Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +3
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Power +3
| Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +3
| 4
| 48
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Power +3
| Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +3
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Power +3
| Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +3
| 4
| 48
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Dragon Rush: Trip Up 6
| Has a chance (70%) of lowering the target's Speed by one stat rank when the user's attack move against it is successful.
| 8
| 96
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Three Heads!: MP Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the move used if the move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Three Heads!: All Ramped Up 1
| Raises the Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1 stat rank when the user's move is successful.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Beef Up 3
| Has a chance (40%) of raising the user's Attack by one stat rank when it is hit by an attack move.
| 10
| 120
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Pecking Order
| The more the target's Attack is lowered, the more it powers up the user's sync move.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Devastation
| The more the target's Sp. Atk is lowered, the more it powers up the user's sync move.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Ground Guard
| Reduces damage when the Pokémon is attacked by Ground-type moves.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Triple Threat Dragon Rush: Power +25
| Triple Threat Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Triple Threat Dragon Rush: Power +25
| Triple Threat Dragon Rush: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|}

==Naganadel==
{{MastersInfobox
|type=poison
|name=Iris (Fall 2022)
|jname=アイリス（２２シーズン）
|jtrans=Iris (2022 Season)
|image=Spr Masters Iris Fall 2022.png
|size=200px
|caption=Iris's model (Fall 2022)
|num=43
|enva=Unknown
|java=Ayana Taketatsu
|desc=Iris is enjoying a festival that might be a little scary. She teamed up with Naganadel at the event to stock up on candy and battle.
}}
{{Masters
|name=Naganadel
|ndex=804
|type=Poison
|role=Tech
|move1=Poison
|base=6
|weakness=Psychic
|description=It stores hundreds of liters of poisonous liquid inside its body. It is one of the organisms known as [[Ultra Beast|UBs]].
|hp=626|atk=202|def=202|spatk=273|spdef=202|spe=416
|hp2=726|atk2=242|def2=242|spatk2=313|spdef2=242|spe2=456
}}
{{-}}
===Moves===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{poison color}}; border:3px solid #{{poison color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! Name
! {{color2|000|Type}}
! {{color2|000|Damage category|Category}}
! Move gauge
! Base {{color2|000|Power}}
! Max {{color2|000|Power}}
! {{color2|000|Accuracy}}
! Target
! width=200px | Description
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Acid}}
|{{t|Poison}} [[File:PoisonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Special}}
|1
|19
|22
|100%
|All opponents
|Has a chance (10%) of lowering the target's Sp. Def by 1 stat rank.
|- style="background:#fff"
|Poison Wish
{{typetable|None}}
{{statustable|Status}}
|2 (2 uses)
|—
|—
|—
|Entire field
|Turns the field of play's zone into a Poison Zone. (A Poison Zone powers up Poison-type attacks.)
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{m|Hyper Beam}}
|{{t|Normal}} [[File:NormalIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Special}}
|4
|223
|267
|90%
|An opponent
|No additional effect.
|- style="background:#fff"
|Gonna Eat You Up!
{{typetable|None}}
{{statustable|Status}}
|0 (1 use)
|—
|—
|—
|Self
|Raises the user's Sp. Atk by 4 stat ranks. Raises the user's accuracy by 1 stat rank. Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 2 stat ranks.
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! colspan=9 | {{color2|000|Sync move|Sync moves}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|With Every Fiber Poison Beam
|{{t|Poison}} [[File:PoisonIC Masters.png|20px]]
{{statustable|Special}}
|—
|200
|240
|—
|An opponent
|This attack's power increases when the zone is a Poison Zone. ''(6★ EX) effect: Power of sync move increases by 50%.''
|}

===Skills===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{poison color}}; border:3px solid #{{poison color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! Name
! Description
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Passive skill|Passive Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Poison Shift
|Normal-type moves become Poison-type moves.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Virulent Toxin 3
|Powers up the user's sync move when the target is poisoned or badly poisoned.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Toxic Chance 2
|Has a chance (30%) of leaving the target poisoned when a move targeting that opponent is successful.
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Theme skill|Theme Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Poison Tech
|Raises allies' Attack and Sp. Atk by 12 when using Poison-type attacks. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 12.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Unova Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 1. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 1.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Seasonal Outfit Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Pigtails Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|-style="background:#fff"
|Undella Town Tech
|Raises the Attack and Sp. Atk of all allied sync pairs by 2. Raises the maximum HP of all allied sync pairs by 2.
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! colspan=2 | {{color2|000|Trainer Lodge#Expeditions|Expedition Skills}}
|-style="background:#fff"
|Soothing ↑ 2
|Raises the following discovery level by 2:
* Soothing Crystal
|}

===Sync Grid===
Iris and Naganadel's sync grid is an expanded grid, made available since the pair first released.
{| class="roundy sortable" style="margin:auto; background:#{{poison color}}; border:3px solid #{{poison color dark}}; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
! Name
! Effect
! Energy required
! Sync orb required
! Move level required
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| HP +10
| HP +10
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Defense +5
| Defense +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +5
| Sp. Atk +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +5
| Sp. Atk +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +5
| Sp. Atk +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +5
| Sp. Atk +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Atk +20
| Sp. Atk +20
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sp. Def +5
| Sp. Def +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 0
| 5
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Speed +5
| Speed +5
| 2
| 24
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Power +4
| Acid: Power ↑ +4
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Power +4
| Acid: Power ↑ +4
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Power +4
| Acid: Power ↑ +4
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Power +4
| Acid: Power ↑ +4
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Power +4
| Acid: Power ↑ +4
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: Toxic Chance 2
| Has a chance (30%) of leaving the target poisoned when a move targeting that opponent is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Acid: On a Roll 9
| Raises the chance of lowering stat values with the additional effects of moves.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Power +2
| Hyper Beam: Power ↑ +2
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Power +2
| Hyper Beam: Power ↑ +2
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Power +2
| Hyper Beam: Power ↑ +2
| 3
| 36
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Power +2
| Hyper Beam: Power ↑ +2
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Power +2
| Hyper Beam: Power ↑ +2
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Accuracy +5
| Hyper Beam: Accuracy ↑ +5
| 3
| 36
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Move Gauge Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Beam: Move Gauge Refresh 4
| Has a chance (50%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Poison Wish: Move Gauge Refresh 3
| Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Poison Wish: MP Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Poison Wish: BOGO 9
| Applies the Free Move Next effect to the user when its move is successful.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Gonna Eat You Up!: MP Refresh 2
| Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
| 7
| 84
| 1
|-style="background:#fff"
| Gonna Eat You Up!: Ramp Up 1
| Raises the user's Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank when its move is successful.
| 10
| 120
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Poisonous Acceleration 2
| Quickly charges the move gauge when the zone is a Poison Zone.
| 9
| 108
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Victory Charge 6
| Charges the user's move gauge by 6 when it knocks out an opponent with a move.
| 10
| 120
| 2
|-style="background:#fff"
| Sharp Entry 1
| Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 1 stat rank when it enters a battle.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Super Victory
| Applies the Supereffective ↑ Next effect to the user when it knocks out an opponent with a move.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Brainteaser
| The more the target's Sp. Def is lowered, the more it powers up the user's moves.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| Smarty-Pants
| The more the target's Sp. Def is lowered, the more it powers up the user's sync move.
| 10
| 120
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| With Every Fiber Poison Beam: Power +25
| With Every Fiber Poison Beam: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|-style="background:#fff"
| With Every Fiber Poison Beam: Power +25
| With Every Fiber Poison Beam: Power ↑ +25
| 5
| 60
| 3
|}

==Other==
===Evolved===
As seen in the {{DL|List of story events (Masters)|Otherworldly Encounter}} story event, Iris first met Naganadel as a {{p|Poipole}}, who later evolved.
{| style="float:left; width: 96px"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Iris|Poipole|Masters803.png|poison|size=100px|link=no}}
|}{{-}}

==Availability==
Iris and Haxorus can be battled against in:
* [[PML Arc|Main Story]] Chapter 9: The Beauty of Friendship
* {{DL|List of training events (Masters)|Ice-type Training Event}} (Co-op) (November 14 to 28, 2019; January 1 to 15, 2020; January 22 to February 6, 2020)
* [[List of story events (Masters)|Story event]]: Two Champions (December 26, 2019 to January 22, 2020)
* [[Champion Stadium]]: Unova Challenge, Hard Lv. 1 ({{type|Dragon}} weakness){{tt|*|Iris appears in her Alt. form rather than her usual form}}
* [[Daily Type Rotation]]: Type Team-Up: Challenge the Dragon Types (August 21 to 28, 2021)

Iris (Alt.) and Hydreigon can be battled against in:
* [[List of story events (Masters)|Story event]]: Shining Heart of Dragons (March 18 to April 2, 2021)
* Story events: Pasio Friendiversary (February 28 to March 17, 2022)
* Champion Stadium: Unova Challenge, Hard Lv. 1 ({{type|Fighting}} weakness)

Iris has also been shown to pair alongside {{p|Lapras}} and can be battled against in:
* Champion Stadium: Victory Road

===Sync Pair Stories===
====Iris and Haxorus====
* A Day with Iris

====Iris (Alt.) and Hydreigon====
* A Day with Iris

====Iris (Fall 2022) and Naganadel====
* The Supernatural World
* Star of the Night
* Seeking Mysteries
* Mystery Monster Unmasked
* Poipole's Chosen Path

==Quotes==
{{main|Iris/Quotes#Pokémon Masters EX|Iris/Quotes → Pokémon Masters EX}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Masters Trailer.png|thumb|250px|Iris in the [[Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer]]]]
===Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer===
Iris appeared in the [[Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer]], where she joined [[Bettie]] and {{mas|Barry}} in a {{pkmn|journey}} across [[Pasio]]. In a stadium, the trio came across {{mas|Skyla}}, {{mas|Flint}}, and {{mas|Acerola}}; and battled their {{TP|Skyla|Swanna}}, {{TP|Flint|Infernape}}, and {{p|Palossand}}, respectively. The outcome of the {{pkmn|battle}} was left unknown.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Iris
|pkmn=Haxorus
|type1=Dragon
|img=Iris Haxorus Masters Trailer.png
|width=68
|epnum=Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer
|epname=Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer
|desc={{p|Haxorus}} is Iris's only known Pokémon. Alongside [[Bettie]]'s {{p|Pikachu}} and {{mas|Barry}}'s {{p|Piplup}}, it battled {{mas|Skyla}}'s {{TP|Skyla|Swanna}}, {{mas|Flint}}'s {{TP|Flint|Infernape}}, and {{mas|Acerola}}'s {{p|Palossand}}.

Haxorus's only known move is {{m|Dragon Pulse}}.}}

==Gallery==
===Iris===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color}}; font-size:80%"
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| colspan=6 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Dream Team Maker Iris and Haxorus.png|x200px]]
| colspan=6 style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Mindscape.png|x200px]]
| style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters chapter 13 artwork.jpg|x200px]]
|-
| colspan=6 | Iris and Haxorus on Pokémon Masters EX Dream Team Maker
| colspan=6 | Iris's sync move mindscape ({{color2|000|Opelucid Gym}})
| Artwork of {{color2|000|PML Arc#Chapter 13: Cold Confidence|Chapter 13: Cold Confidence}}
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris 2.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:VSIris Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris EX.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:VSIris EX Masters.png|80px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | 5★ model
| colspan=3 | 5★ VS model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX VS model
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Emote 1 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Emote 2 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Emote 3 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Emote 4 Masters.png|80px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Nice!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Watch out!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Let's do this!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Thanks!
|}

===Iris (Alt.)===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color}}; font-size:80%"
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| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris Champion 2.png|x150px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:VSIris Champion Masters.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris Champion EX.png|x150px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:VSIris Champion EX Masters.png|120px]]
| colspan=4 style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" colspan=3 | [[File:Iris Champion Mindscape.png|x200px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | 5★ model
| colspan=3 | 5★ VS model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX VS model
| colspan=4 | Iris's sync move mindscape ({{color2|000|Pokémon League (Unova)#Champion's room|Pokémon League, Iris's room}})
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Champion Emote 1 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Champion Emote 2 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Champion Emote 3 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris Champion Emote 4 Masters.png|80px]]
| style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Victory Road artwork.jpg|x180px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Nice!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Watch out!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Let's do this!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Thanks!
| Victory Road artwork
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 1-Star Shining Heart of Dragons.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 2-Star Shining Heart of Dragons.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 3-Star Shining Heart of Dragons.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background:#{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal Heart of a Dragon.png|120px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | Medal 1★ Shining Heart of Dragons
| colspan=3 | Medal 2★ Shining Heart of Dragons
| colspan=3 | Medal 3★ Shining Heart of Dragons
| colspan=3 | Medal Heart of a Dragon
|}

===Iris (Fall 2022)===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color}}; font-size:80%"
|-

| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris Fall 2022 2.png|x150px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSIris Fall 2022 Masters.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Spr Masters Iris Fall 2022 EX.png|x150px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSIris Fall 2022 EX Masters.png|120px]]
| colspan=4 style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" colspan=3 | [[File:Fall 2022 Mindscape.png|x200px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | 5★ model
| colspan=3 | 5★ VS model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX model
| colspan=3 | 6★ EX VS model
| colspan=4 | Iris's sync move mindscape (Fall 2022)
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Iris Fall 2022 Emote 1 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Iris Fall 2022 Emote 2 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Iris Fall 2022 Emote 3 Masters.png|80px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Iris Fall 2022 Emote 4 Masters.png|80px]]
| style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Masters Otherworldly Encounter artwork.jpg|x200px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Nice!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Watch out!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Let's do this!
| colspan=3 | Trainer emote Thanks!
| {{color2|000|List of story events (Masters)#Otherworldly Encounter|Otherworldly Encounter}} artwork
|-
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 1-Star Otherworldly Encounter.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 2-Star Otherworldly Encounter.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal 3-Star Otherworldly Encounter.png|120px]]
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Masters Medal Paranormal Pals.png|120px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | Medal 1★ Otherworldly Encounter
| colspan=3 | Medal 2★ Otherworldly Encounter
| colspan=3 | Medal 3★ Otherworldly Encounter
| colspan=3 | Medal Paranormal Pals
|}

==Trivia==
* In her Sync Pair Story, Iris reveals that she received her Hydreigon from [[Drayden]] as a {{p|Deino}}.
* All versions of Iris use special voice-over lines upon entering a team that contains certain Trainers (regardless of their partner Pokémon) and victory with them. Those Trainers include {{mas|Bianca}}, {{mas|Burgh}}, {{mas|Elesa}}, {{mas|Caitlin}}, and {{mas|Alder}}.
* Before Version 2.27.0 Iris (Alt.) was known as Iris (Champion). This was most likely changed to avoid confusion with {{mas|Serena}} and {{mas|Calem}}'s new Neo Champion outfits.

===Origin===
Iris's design is based on her appearance in {{game|Black and White|s}}. {{TP|Iris|Haxorus}} is Iris's signature Pokémon in the [[core series]] games. Haxorus's [[Pokédex]] entry comes from {{pkmn|Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black}}.

Iris (Alt.)'s design is based on her appearance in {{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}}. Hydreigon is Iris's lead Pokémon during the battle against her at the {{un|Pokémon League}}. Hydreigon's Pokédex entry comes from {{pkmn|Black and White Versions|Pokémon White}}.

Iris is not seen owning a {{p|Naganadel}} outside this game. Naganadel's Dex entry comes from {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Pokémon Ultra Sun}}.

==In other languages==
{| style="float:left"
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| style="vertical-align:top" |
''You're Going Down!''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=ゼッタイまけない ''{{tt|Zettai Makenai|I'll Never Lose}}''
|zh_cmn=絕對不會輸！ ''{{tt|Juéduì Búhuì Shū!|I'll Never Lose!}}''
|fr=J'perdrai pas !
|de=Wir verlieren niemals!
|ko=절대지지않아 ''{{tt|Jeoldae Jiji Ana|I'll Never Lose}}''
|it=Non perderò!
|es=¡No me ganaréis!
}}
| style="vertical-align:top" |
''Dragon Sage Outrage''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=竜の心を知りしげきりん ''{{tt|Ryū no Kokoro o Shirishi Gekirin|Outrage That Knows The Hearts of Dragons}}''
|zh_cmn=熟知龍心之逆鱗 ''{{tt|Shúzhī Lóngxīn zhī Nìlín|Outrage That Knows The Hearts of Dragons}}''
|fr=Admire la danse des dragons ! Colère !
|de=Wutanfall der Drachenflüsterin
|ko=용의 마음을 아는 역린 ''{{tt|Yong-ui Ma-eumeul Aneun Yeongnin|Outrage That Knows The Hearts of Dragons}}''
|it=Oltraggio del cuore di drago
|es=Enfado del Dragón
}}
|}
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{| style="float:left"
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| style="vertical-align:top" |
''Three Heads!''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=あなたに勝ちます！ ''{{tt|Anata ni Kachimasu!|I Will Beat You!}}''
|zh_cmn=我要打贏你！ ''{{tt|Wǒ yào Dǎyíng Nǐ!|I Will Beat You!}}''
|fr=Numérote tes abattis !
|de=Ich werde dich besiegen!
|ko=당신을이기겠습니다! ''{{tt|Dangsineul Igigesseumnida!|I Will Beat You!}}''
|it=Preparati alla sconfitta!
|es=¡Venceremos!
}}
| style="vertical-align:top" |
''Triple Threat Dragon Rush''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=心を研ぎすます全力のドラゴンダイブ ''{{tt|Kokoro o Togisumasu Zenryoku no Doragon Daibu|Tempered Spirit Full-Force Dragon Rush}}''
|zh_cmn=全心全力之龍之俯衝 ''{{tt|Quánxīnquánlì zhī Lóng-zhī Fǔchōng|Wholehearted Full-Force Dragon Rush}}''
|fr=Ne faire qu'un ! Draco-Charge !
|de=Drachenstoß des Einklangs
|ko=마음을 가다듬는 전력의 드래곤다이브 ''{{tt|Ma-eumeul Gadadeumneun Jeollyeok-ui Deuraegon Daibeu|Tempered Spirit Full-Force Dragon Rush}}''
|it=Dragofuria dello spirito temprato
|es=Carga Dragón del Espíritu Agudizado
}}
|}
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{| style="float:left"
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| style="vertical-align:top" |
''Gonna Eat You Up!''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=たべちゃうぞー！ ''{{tt|Tabechau zo~!|Gonna Eat You Up!}}''
|zh_cmn=我要吃掉你～！ ''{{tt|Wǒ yào Chīdiào Nǐ~!|Gonna Eat You Up!}}''
|fr=J'vais te gober d'un seul coup !
|de=Ich hab dich zum Fressen gern!
|ko=먹어버린다~! ''{{tt|Meog-eobeorinda~!|Gonna Eat You Up!}}''
|it=Ne faremo un sol boccone!
|es=¡Ñam, Ñam!
}}
| style="vertical-align:top" |
''With Every Fiber Poison Beam ''
{{langtable
|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|ja=心の底からわかりあえたポイズンレイ ''{{tt|Kokoro no Soko kara Wakariaeta Poizun Rei|Poison Ray Understood from the Bottom of the Heart}}''
|zh_cmn=打從心底互相了解之毒之光線 ''{{tt|Dǎcóng Xīndǐ Hùxiāng Liǎojiě zhī Dú-zhī Guāngxiàn|Poison Ray Understood from the Bottom of the Heart}}''
|fr=Du plus profond du cœur ! Laser Poison !
|de=Giftstrahl der vereinten Herzen
|ko=마음 깊이 서로를 알게 된 포이즌레이 ''{{tt|Ma-eum Gip-i Seororeul Alge Doen Poijeun Rei|Poison Ray Understood from the Bottom of the Heart}}''
|it=Raggio Veleno per conoscersi a fondo
|es=Rayo Veneno de la Comprensión Mutua
}}
|}
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==References==
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PE06

2022-05-14T07:06:28Z

Tempest370: Source on this? If not, then it's just fanon guessing.

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title_en=The Wish |
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footnotes=* ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhxsoFiccU The Wish]'' on [[The Pokémon Company International]]'s official English {{wp|YouTube}} channel.

* {{BMGf|290332|Review thread on BMGf}}
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'''The Wish''' (Japanese: '''ザ・ウィッシュ''' ''The Wish'') is the sixth episode of [[Pokémon Evolutions]]. It was first released on [[The Pokémon Company International]]'s official English [[YouTube]] channel, [[Pokémon TV]], and [[The Pokémon Company]]'s official Japanese YouTube channel on December 9, 2021.
{{spoilers}}

==Blurb==
Her whole life, Zinnia was told to put her people’s wishes before her own and to uphold her duty to Hoenn. But when the Legendary Pokémon Rayquaza arrives, will she have what it takes?

==Plot==
As the sun begins to set over the [[Sky Pillar]], [[Zinnia]] arrives on foot while {{ga|May}} follows shortly after on {{p|Latios}}, proceeding to chase Zinnia up the tower. May finds that the ancient monument is worn and unstable, struggling to catch her breath after the floor collapses behind her as she climbs it. Laughing, Zinnia congratulates May on following her thus far and begins to tell the story of the [[Draconid people]]: one millennium prior, a large meteorite struck the [[Hoenn]] region, releasing immense power that caused [[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} to fight each other in order to claim said power for themselves. As Zinnia regales the legend, the painted murals around her seem to come to life, showing Kyogre and Groudon attacking each other with {{m|Origin Pulse}} and {{m|Precipice Blades}}.

The intensity of the illusions briefly causes May to flinch before she continues scaling the tower after Zinnia, who explains that her people came together to express their fervent wish: that {{p|Rayquaza}} would arrive, clad in emerald light, to save them from the crisis. The strength of their wish was so powerful that not only was Rayquaza summoned, its appearance was changed through [[Mega Evolution]] and it successfully banished Kyogre and Groudon back to the depths of sea and land. Zinnia concludes that the Draconids then built the Sky Pillar to house the "rainbow stone" that granted Rayquaza its power. Looking at the [[Key Stone]] in her hand, Zinnia proceeds to reach the tower's summit; May, recovering from a fall she had experiencing the illusions, retrieves the [[Meteorite]] in her possession.

At the top, Zinnia recalls that the Draconids foretold that a larger [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteorite]] would one day fall upon the Hoenn region, threatening to shatter the region. She expresses hopes that the Key Stones she's stolen will allow her to summon Rayquaza and save the region. Reaching Zinnia, May makes a last attempt to snatch the stolen stones from Zinnia, but Zinnia easily evades her. Remarking that her story has concluded, Zinnia reveals to May that summoning Rayquaza to save Hoenn has always been her duty, and asks May to take care of her {{p|Whismur}}, Aster, should anything befall her. As May nods in agreement, Zinnia raises the Key Stones in her hand and calls upon Rayquaza, who descends upon Dragonhark Altar but is unable to achieve Mega Evolution. Stunned by her failure, Zinnia realizes that Rayquaza doesn't have enough power and is at a loss after seeing that the Key Stones have no effect, just as May's Meteorite starts to glow. Zinnia recognizes the Meteorite's energy resembles that of a [[Mega Stone]] as May hurls it into the air, prompting Rayquaza to lunge and swallow it, taking it into itself.

Zinnia realizes that Rayquaza has chosen May over herself to be the region's savior, asking that May capture it as she gives May a {{i|Poké Ball}}. Heading into battle, May sends out her {{p|Aggron}}, who releases a {{m|Stone Edge}} that Rayquaza easily dodges, forcing May to switch to her {{p|Altaria}}. Rayquaza's {{m|Extreme Speed}} cleaves through Altaria's {{m|Dragon Pulse}}, sending the latter plummeting through the air and prompting May to recall it as well. May follows up with her Mega {{p|Swampert}}, who meets Rayquaza with a powerful {{m|Ice Punch}} that freezes Rayquaza over briefly. The sight causes Zinnia to flash back to her childhood, listening to a Lorekeeper telling her stories and preparing for her destiny of catching Rayquaza. Realizing that her destiny has slipped by her, Zinnia sheds tears as she yells to May to catch Rayquaza, which May proceeds to do with an [[Ultra Ball]].

Thanking May, Zinnia makes one final request as the last Lorekeeper of the Draconids. From [[Pacifidlog Town]], a pair of {{p|Pikachu}} watch on as Zinnia's Mega {{TP|Zinnia|Salamence}} clashes with Mega Rayquaza in battle.

==Major events==
* {{ga|May}} encounters [[Zinnia]] at the [[Sky Pillar]].
* Zinnia tells May the lore of the [[Draconid people]].
* Zinnia summons {{p|Rayquaza}} to save [[Hoenn]] from a [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteorite]], but is unable to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] it.
* May's [[Meteorite]] restores Rayquaza's ability to Mega Evolve.
* May {{pkmn2|caught|catches}} Rayquaza.
* Zinnia challenges May to a {{pkmn|battle}}.

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{ga|May}}
* [[Zinnia]]

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Latios}} ({{ga|May}}'s)
* {{p|Aggron}} ({{ga|May}}'s)
* {{p|Altaria}} ({{ga|May}}'s)
* {{p|Swampert}} ({{ga|May}}'s; [[Mega Evolution|Mega Swampert]])
* {{p|Rayquaza}} ({{ga|May}}'s; [[Mega Evolution|Mega Rayquaza]]; new)
* {{p|Whismur}} ([[Zinnia]]'s; Aster)
* {{p|Salamence}} ({{OP|Zinnia|Salamence}}; [[Mega Evolution|Mega Salamence]])
* {{p|Treecko}} (fantasy)
* {{p|Torchic}} (fantasy)
* {{p|Mudkip}} (fantasy)
* {{p|Groudon}} ([[Primal Reversion|Primal Groudon]]; fantasy)
* {{p|Kyogre}} ([[Primal Reversion|Primal Kyogre]]; fantasy)
* {{p|Pikachu}} (×2)

==Trivia==
* The two {{p|Pikachu}} in this episode wear the hats of {{ga|Brendan}} and {{ga|May}}.

===Errors===

===Dub edits===

==In other languages==
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|it={{tt|Il desiderio|The Wish}}
|ko={{tt|소원|Wish}}
|pt_br={{tt|O Desejo|The Wish}}
|ru={{tt|Желание|The Wish}}
|es_eu={{tt|El deseo|The Wish}}
|es_la={{tt|El deseo|The Wish}}
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Talk:Zinnia

2021-12-10T14:38:24Z

Tempest370: /* Aster */

==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. There's an entire tribe of her people. If you have proof that this woman is Aster, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages by presenting this unverified theory as some fact. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, wait for an admin to post his position here and do what you want. Have a good time, I have more to do. I really don't feel like it. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:I don't need to be an admin to know that adding unverified info is a big no-no. So I dunno what you're expecting an admin to say, since there's zero chance they know more than what was already shown in the episode. And the episode didn't say anything about her being Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::OK, DUDE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!! --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're being needlessly aggressive and confrontational. There is absolutely no need to shout. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 20:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
https://i.postimg.cc/3RnhJd1M/Zinnia.png
:::::::Did you say you wanted confirmation? Okay.
:::::::According to the [[Aster]] article, she appears in chapter 19 of Pokémon Adventures: Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The image that appears from Aster is the second one I put in this picture. Remembering that Zinnia's grandmother appears in the same manga with the same description of the games. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:The only appearance of Aster in any media so far is being mentioned by other characters. No series has ever given a design for her. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::Well, Ataro. Yes, the image is in shadows as I put it there. But, you noticed that the character wears the Lorekeeper cape and the manuscripts, right? Aster's own article is written...

''According to an interview with Shigeru Ohmori in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, Aster was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia[1], much like Aster in Pokémon Adventures.''--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, Hikaru Wazana, calm down. There's no need to be aggressive. The woman in the scene may be wearing specific clothing, be it's not clothing worn by a specific character. So unless it was said to be Aster, it could just be a random lorekeeper. Secondly, Tempest370, there was no need to go to multiple talk pages to discuss the one topic, that can be seen as spamming. Pick a talk page that you think fits the discussions better and keep it there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but it bothered me to be accused of putting fake news in the article. I initially told him to wait for the position of someone on the staff, nothing more. The flashback is very clear that it is from Zinnia's training, I just used the logic with the official information that we have from Aster. It's not the grandmother because we have an official grandmother look, and the only other important female character in Zinnia's story is Aster herself. There are no other options, and yet the context of the flashback with training makes it very explicit. But if you think the information should be removed, that's fine.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't understand why you're trying to connect the game world with the manga world. First of all, the Aster in the manga was supposed to become the Lorekeeper only shortly before her death, after which Zinnia took the mantle immediately, whereas the person in this anime short is already a Lorekeeper while Zinnia is still a small child. Saying "there are no other options" is false, since it is based on the false belief that the Draconids are just 2-3 people at most, when it's established that there's an entire tribe of them. Thus you shouldn't rush to label the first Draconid you see to be Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::There's also the whole thing about how in the manga it's spelled that it was Aster who was supposed to be the one to summon Rayquaza, yet in the anime short we can see child!Zinnia throwing pokeballs at a drawing of a Rayquaza. Don't say that "there are no other options" when it's just as likely that Aster was some other kid she was friends with, and the woman in the short was just Zinnia's mother. And if Zinnia's mother is indeed Aster, then why does Zinnia keep referring to her by her first name? What child does that? Don't they all call their parent just "mom"? Bottom line, there is no conclusive proof to identify the woman as Aster. The only thing we can be sure of is that she's a member of the Draconids, and a Lorekeeper. Anything else is just wild guessing for now. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Zinnia

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Tempest370: /* Aster */

==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. There's an entire tribe of her people. If you have proof that this woman is Aster, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages by presenting this unverified theory as some fact. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, wait for an admin to post his position here and do what you want. Have a good time, I have more to do. I really don't feel like it. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:I don't need to be an admin to know that adding unverified info is a big no-no. So I dunno what you're expecting an admin to say, since there's zero chance they know more than what was already shown in the episode. And the episode didn't say anything about her being Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::OK, DUDE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!! --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're being needlessly aggressive and confrontational. There is absolutely no need to shout. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 20:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
https://i.postimg.cc/3RnhJd1M/Zinnia.png
:::::::Did you say you wanted confirmation? Okay.
:::::::According to the [[Aster]] article, she appears in chapter 19 of Pokémon Adventures: Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The image that appears from Aster is the second one I put in this picture. Remembering that Zinnia's grandmother appears in the same manga with the same description of the games. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:The only appearance of Aster in any media so far is being mentioned by other characters. No series has ever given a design for her. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::Well, Ataro. Yes, the image is in shadows as I put it there. But, you noticed that the character wears the Lorekeeper cape and the manuscripts, right? Aster's own article is written...

''According to an interview with Shigeru Ohmori in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, Aster was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia[1], much like Aster in Pokémon Adventures.''--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, Hikaru Wazana, calm down. There's no need to be aggressive. The woman in the scene may be wearing specific clothing, be it's not clothing worn by a specific character. So unless it was said to be Aster, it could just be a random lorekeeper. Secondly, Tempest370, there was no need to go to multiple talk pages to discuss the one topic, that can be seen as spamming. Pick a talk page that you think fits the discussions better and keep it there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but it bothered me to be accused of putting fake news in the article. I initially told him to wait for the position of someone on the staff, nothing more. The flashback is very clear that it is from Zinnia's training, I just used the logic with the official information that we have from Aster. It's not the grandmother because we have an official grandmother look, and the only other important female character in Zinnia's story is Aster herself. There are no other options, and yet the context of the flashback with training makes it very explicit. But if you think the information should be removed, that's fine.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't understand why you're trying to connect the game world with the manga world. First of all, the Aster in the manga was supposed to become the Lorekeeper only shortly before her death, after which Zinnia took the mantle immediately, whereas the person in this anime short is already a Lorekeeper while Zinnia is still a small child. Saying "there are no other options" is false, since it is based on the false belief that the Draconids are just 2-3 people at most, when it's established that there's an entire tribe of them. Thus you shouldn't rush to label the first Draconid you see to be Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::There's also the whole thing about how in the manga it's spelled that it was Aster who was supposed to be the one to summon Rayquaza, yet in the anime short we can see child!Zinnia throwing pokeballs at a drawing of a Rayquaza. Don't say that "there are no other options" when it's just as likely that Aster was some other kid she was friends with, and the woman in the short was just Zinnia's mother. And if Zinnia's mother is indeed Aster, then why does Zinnia keep referring to her by her first name? Which child does that? Don't they all call their parent just "mom"? Bottom line, there is no conclusive proof to identify the woman as Aster. The only thing we can be sure of is that she's a member of the Draconids, and a Lorekeeper. Anything else is just wild guessing for now. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Zinnia

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Tempest370: /* Aster */

==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. There's an entire tribe of her people. If you have proof that this woman is Aster, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages by presenting this unverified theory as some fact. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, wait for an admin to post his position here and do what you want. Have a good time, I have more to do. I really don't feel like it. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:I don't need to be an admin to know that adding unverified info is a big no-no. So I dunno what you're expecting an admin to say, since there's zero chance they know more than what was already shown in the episode. And the episode didn't say anything about her being Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::OK, DUDE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!! --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're being needlessly aggressive and confrontational. There is absolutely no need to shout. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 20:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
https://i.postimg.cc/3RnhJd1M/Zinnia.png
:::::::Did you say you wanted confirmation? Okay.
:::::::According to the [[Aster]] article, she appears in chapter 19 of Pokémon Adventures: Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The image that appears from Aster is the second one I put in this picture. Remembering that Zinnia's grandmother appears in the same manga with the same description of the games. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:The only appearance of Aster in any media so far is being mentioned by other characters. No series has ever given a design for her. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::Well, Ataro. Yes, the image is in shadows as I put it there. But, you noticed that the character wears the Lorekeeper cape and the manuscripts, right? Aster's own article is written...

''According to an interview with Shigeru Ohmori in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, Aster was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia[1], much like Aster in Pokémon Adventures.''--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, Hikaru Wazana, calm down. There's no need to be aggressive. The woman in the scene may be wearing specific clothing, be it's not clothing worn by a specific character. So unless it was said to be Aster, it could just be a random lorekeeper. Secondly, Tempest370, there was no need to go to multiple talk pages to discuss the one topic, that can be seen as spamming. Pick a talk page that you think fits the discussions better and keep it there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but it bothered me to be accused of putting fake news in the article. I initially told him to wait for the position of someone on the staff, nothing more. The flashback is very clear that it is from Zinnia's training, I just used the logic with the official information that we have from Aster. It's not the grandmother because we have an official grandmother look, and the only other important female character in Zinnia's story is Aster herself. There are no other options, and yet the context of the flashback with training makes it very explicit. But if you think the information should be removed, that's fine.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't understand why you're trying to connect the game world with the manga world. First of all, the Aster in the manga was supposed to become the Lorekeeper only shortly before her death, after which Zinnia took the mantle immediately, whereas the person in this anime short is already a Lorekeeper while Zinnia is still a small child. Saying "there are no other options" is false, since it is based on the false belief that the Draconids are just 2-3 people at most, when it's established that there's an entire tribe of them. Thus you shouldn't rush to label the first Draconid you see to be Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::There's also the whole thing about how in the manga it's spelled that it was Aster who was supposed to be the one to summon Rayquaza, yet in the anime short we can see child!Zinnia throwing pokeballs at a drawing of a Rayquaza. Don't say that "there are no other options" when it's just as likely that Aster was some other kid she was friends with, and the woman in the short was just Zinnia's mother. And if Zinnia's mother is indeed Aster, then why does Zinnia keep referring to her by her first name? Which child does that? Don't they all call their parent just "mom"? Bottom line, there is no conclusive proof to identify the woman as Aster. The only thing we can be sure of is that she's a member of the Draconids, and a Lorekeeper. Anything else is just guesses for now. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. There's an entire tribe of her people. If you have proof that this woman is Aster, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages by presenting this unverified theory as some fact. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, wait for an admin to post his position here and do what you want. Have a good time, I have more to do. I really don't feel like it. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:I don't need to be an admin to know that adding unverified info is a big no-no. So I dunno what you're expecting an admin to say, since there's zero chance they know more than what was already shown in the episode. And the episode didn't say anything about her being Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::OK, DUDE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!! --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're being needlessly aggressive and confrontational. There is absolutely no need to shout. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 20:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
https://i.postimg.cc/3RnhJd1M/Zinnia.png
:::::::Did you say you wanted confirmation? Okay.
:::::::According to the [[Aster]] article, she appears in chapter 19 of Pokémon Adventures: Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The image that appears from Aster is the second one I put in this picture. Remembering that Zinnia's grandmother appears in the same manga with the same description of the games. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:The only appearance of Aster in any media so far is being mentioned by other characters. No series has ever given a design for her. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::Well, Ataro. Yes, the image is in shadows as I put it there. But, you noticed that the character wears the Lorekeeper cape and the manuscripts, right? Aster's own article is written...

''According to an interview with Shigeru Ohmori in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, Aster was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia[1], much like Aster in Pokémon Adventures.''--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, Hikaru Wazana, calm down. There's no need to be aggressive. The woman in the scene may be wearing specific clothing, be it's not clothing worn by a specific character. So unless it was said to be Aster, it could just be a random lorekeeper. Secondly, Tempest370, there was no need to go to multiple talk pages to discuss the one topic, that can be seen as spamming. Pick a talk page that you think fits the discussions better and keep it there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but it bothered me to be accused of putting fake news in the article. I initially told him to wait for the position of someone on the staff, nothing more. The flashback is very clear that it is from Zinnia's training, I just used the logic with the official information that we have from Aster. It's not the grandmother because we have an official grandmother look, and the only other important female character in Zinnia's story is Aster herself. There are no other options, and yet the context of the flashback with training makes it very explicit. But if you think the information should be removed, that's fine.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't understand why you're trying to connect the game world with the manga world. First of all, the Aster in the manga was supposed to become the Lorekeeper, before her death, after which Zinnia took the mantle immediately, whereas the person in this anime short is already a Lorekeeper while Zinnia is still a small child. Saying "there are no other options" is false, since it is based on the false belief that the Draconids are just 2-3 people at most, when it's established that there's an entire tribe of them. Thus you shouldn't rush to label the first Draconid you see to be Aster. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. If you have proof, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages by presenting this unverified theory as some fact. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them every time someone mentions you on the wiki. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::Or you could act less out of control perhaps. And I don't know exactly what confirmation you're looking for, it's not like Zinnia has several other important women in her featured story.
:::::But I'm not going to debate who she is, no, I don't debate here anymore because I know where it ends. Ask the Project Anime administrators for their position on the girl's identity.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Rushing in to add unverified information to multiple pages is the only "out of control" behavior in here. So yeah. You brought this on yourself. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it's you who should ask the Project Anime administrators for confirmation before you go add this stuff. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::::::::What other character of draconid origin is important to Zinnia's story?
::::::::Seriously man, you're the one who started making the case with it and changing a thousand pages with it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::What other character? How about her grandmother? Or mother? There's no proof that Aster is either of those two. If you have proof, then show it.
:::::::::Also, you're the one who changed ''"a thousand"'' pages with this unverified theory. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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==Aster's namesake==

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

:i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

::I agree on making a separate page or at least a subsection for the original Aster and all info on her, especially since she has also been mentioned in the Adventures manga (complete with a vague picture). The current blurb about her definitely needs editing: from Zinnia's dialogue, it's impossible that the original Aster was her daughter ("''Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky.''" + "''... I used to watch the stars like this all the time... Together with Aster. We were always together.''" means they've been watching the stars together since they were little and Aster must have been the same age or older than Zinnia).
::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that.
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm asking what your other clues ''are''. There is nothing in Zinnia or anyone's dialogue that says the deceased Aster was her daughter; it's too big of an assumption. We know next to nothing about Zinnia and even less about Aster. She could have been another Pokémon, she could have been a friend or another family member, or, as in Adventures canon, the previous Lorekeeper. As discussed above, I think the best way to follow the community guidelines and be neutral and keep to fact is to say the only things known for sure: 1) she addresses the Pokémon as her daughter, 2) the Pokémon seems to be named after a close one whom she has a lost. I thought my edit was neutral enough, do you have any problems with it? Anyway anything longer doesn't belong in the Pokémon's blurb — perhaps the many theories and possibilities about who Aster may have been can go in the trivia section, under the Adventures mention. Let's not get into an edit war over this.
::::::(And for why Zinnia would call a Pokémon her daughter, a lot of NPCs refer to Pokémon as their 'babies', such as the Fans class, and it's not uncommon for people to call themselves their pet's mother in real life either.)[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's easy to call a pet (or Pokemon) something like your "baby" or maybe even your "little girl" or something, but the same thing does ''not'' happen with "son" or "daughter". Those are totally different.
:::::::Evidence, then...
:::::::*That Aster is human and not a Pokemon: ''"... See that, Aster? You always wanted to watch them, right? The Litleonids."'' Sure, supposedly you can understand Pokemon and all, but that's definitely more a sentiment a person would have expressed directly to Zinnia.
:::::::*That the person is her daughter: A) again, "daughter", from Zinnia, clearly suggests Whismur is a stand-in for her daughter; and B) "Mum"/"Mama" from Whismur. Alone either of those might leave room for just Zinnia being weird or something; but ''together'' it's entirely reasonable to assume they have real meaning.
:::::::These all paint a reasonable, clear picture. Why would it reasonably ''not'' be her daughter? (By in-game canon, that is; the manga and games are ''not'' strictly related.)
:::::::Sure, if you want to be pedantic, it's definitely not a certainty. But we've shown the basic evidence for the claim made; people are entirely free to make up their own minds. In the meantime, we shouldn't be obliged to skirt a plain conclusion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact."
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention.
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest.
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: And in my opinion and many others', it's not the only reasonable interpretation at all, hence the reason we're having this conversation at all! You're surprised that I saw it another way, but I was very surprised that some people thought the first Aster was her daughter. In the Japanese version, one of the ways she says she loved Aster is "''daisuki datta''", which is NOT how one would talk about a daughter. To me, the ridiculous thing (no offense) is to state that and act like that is the only valid interpretation of the game's ambiguousness, when very, very little is stated on the topic. There are many people and many views on this, and it's hard to completely confirm or invalidate any of them. I'm really not comfortable with letting the character's article stating anything like an objective truth when none of the points you mention seem like proof to me, aside from the fact that Aster was most likely a human. It is only your opinion, and not a neutral statement of the few facts we do have for sure. [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 00:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't consider myself qualified to say how likely a mother might be to use 'daisuki' to say she loved her daughter...but right after that she also says 'kokoro kara aishiteita', which I suppose is more "acceptable". In that context, then, I think 'daisuki' would have to get a pass; you generally try not to be too repetitive in writing (I'm fairly sure this is true enough of Japanese or English), so it shouldn't be unreasonable to use 'daisuki' first.
:::::::::::You're railing against this "objective truth". From that tone, I would have to imagine this page said ''"Aster is named after Zinnia's dead daughter"''. It most certainly does ''not'', though. The page says, ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"''. There is a world of difference there. It is not a problem for the page to say that, not when the evidence it is based off of is stated next.
:::::::::::And, again: with all the evidence currently being discussed, you are the only person who is currently saying that you don't accept that Aster was named after Zinnia's daughter. Of course, by the same token, I am also the only person saying it was her daughter. But my point is: your claims that "many others" believe exactly as you do are not currently supported. Please stop trying to claim authority in numbers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::They didn't ''have'' to repeat it; it seems really, really odd to me for a mother talking about her child. I'm not saying the article should say Aster couldn't possibly be Aster's daughter — it can if you reach the way you do — but I disagree that ''"Aster seems to have been named after a [dead] daughter of Zinnia's"'', and I have given you my reasons as for why. I'm just trying to reach a compromise because I don't agree with your view anymore than you do with mine and while the current phrasing on the article could indeed be even worse, it is not neutral enough in my opinion and does not accurately reflect the ambiguity of the situation. You yourself admit that your claims are not any more supported by numbers than mine, so can't we find a phrasing that satisfies both of us and is — again — factual only?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd actually be okay with "Aster ''may have'' been named after [...]" (without the emphasis). But I'm not really okay with offering other alternatives when the only evidence ("daughter", "Mum"/"Mama") points to a daughter. People can doubt that evidence, but presenting some other alternative (like "friend") in the face of that evidence is just terribly awkward (at ''best''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Upon further thought, it might be possible to avoid awkwardness like: ''"Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has since died. This person may have been a daughter, as suggested by [...]"''. Does that sound better to you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That's what I was aiming for, yes x'D Something like that sounds a lot more neutral to me. I guess indeed there isn't particular evidence pointing to, specifically, a friend (could really be anyone — I just wanted to put emphasis on the fact that there are other possibilities than a daughter). (I still don't agree on that that's "the only evidence" but I'll let it go :p) "Someone close to" is the way I'd phrase it too, yes! If you don't agree with my first edit, do you want to be the one to edit a new description, and I'll check afterwards if the phrasing sounds good to me as well? (I'm going offline for now anyway, sorry!) {{unsigned|Azalee}}

== B/W reference ==

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head?
[[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's Grandmother ==

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Parallel Hoenn ==

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. [[User:MofoMan2000|MofoMan2000]] ([[User talk:MofoMan2000|talk]]) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

== Zinnia's...not grandmother ==

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in [[Meteor Falls]] "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't ''have'' to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==
Zinnia's VAs in Masters are Vivian Lu in English and Aimi Terakawa in Japanese. If someone smarter than me can add that to the info graphic, that'd be great [[User:Aquaslash|Aquaslash]] ([[User talk:Aquaslash|talk]]) 08:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

== Aster ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]], do we have confirmation that this woman is Aster? I watched the short, and she went completely unnamed. That's not enough to conclude that her and Aster are the same person. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
::How many conversations do you need to open to discuss this, exactly?
::I received nearly six emails in my inbox because of this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I did not sent you those emails. Change your settings if you don't want to get them. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Zinnia

2021-12-09T18:03:08Z

Tempest370: /* Pokémon Evolutions */ is that REALLY her? Do we have confirmation?

{{spoilers}}
{{CharInfobox
|color={{dragon color}}
|corecolor={{dragon color light}}
|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|name=Zinnia
|jname=ヒガナ
|tmname=Higana
|size=x340px
|image=Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Zinnia.png
|caption=Art from {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|gender=Female
|region=[[Hoenn]]
|trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], Lorekeeper
|hometown=Unknown
|relatives=Unnamed grandmother
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|VI}}
|games={{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} {{pkmn|Masters EX}}
|team=yes
|teamname=[[Team Magma]]{{sup/6|OR}}, [[Team Aqua]]{{sup/6|AS}}
|teamrank=Grunt
|gameanim=yes
|pv=yes
|pvnum=PE06
|pvname=The Wish
|envagame=Unknown ({{pkmn|Masters EX}}) Laura Stahl ({{pkmn|Evolutions}})
|javagame=Aimi<ref name="Aimi">[https://twitter.com/aimi_sound/status/1222828471220498432 Aimi on Twitter] (Japanese)</ref> ({{pkmn|Masters EX}}) Ayane Sakura ({{pkmn|Evolutions}})
|footnotes=}}

'''Zinnia''' (Japanese: '''ヒガナ''' ''Higana'') is a mysterious [[Draconid people|Draconid woman]] and a [[Pokémon Trainer]] from [[Hoenn]]. She is described as a special person who holds the key to the [[Delta Episode]] in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, on a trip to accomplish her objectives.

Zinnia uses {{type|Dragon}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in battle, including a {{p|Salamence}} she can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into {{me|Salamence}} using her [[Key Stone|Mega Anklet]]. She also travels with a female {{p|Whismur}} [[nickname]]d '''Aster''' (Japanese: '''シガナ''' ''Shigana''). She is the only character in the games to have the {{DL|Pokémon Trainer|Trainer class}} '''Lorekeeper''' (Japanese: '''でんしょうしゃ''' ''Lorekeeper'').

==In the core series==
Zinnia makes three cameo appearances prior to the Delta Episode, disguised as a {{tc|Team Magma Grunt}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{tc|Team Aqua Grunt}}{{sup/6|AS}}. She is first seen after the {{player}} exits [[Petalburg Woods]] on the way to [[Rustboro City]]. Her second appearance is on [[Mount Chimney]], where she is fighting against Archie{{sup/6|OR}} or Maxie{{sup/6|AS}} and tries to stop him before he arrives to Maxie{{sup/6|OR}}/Archie{{sup/6|AS}}. Her third appearance is during the montage cutscene in [[Mossdeep City]] after the player saves Hoenn from [[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}}.

After the player defeats {{Steven}} and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}}, Zinnia is shown in a cutscene discarding her team's uniform. She then meets the player at their home before breaking into [[Professor Birch]]'s home and stealing {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}}'s [[Key Stone]]. Later, when the player visits [[Granite Cave]] looking for a [[Meteorite Shard]] on Steven's request, she appears studying the cave's ancient painting. After a short conversation, Zinnia asks to battle with the player.

At the [[Meteor Falls]], while looking for a Meteorite Shard, the player and Steven learn from an old Draconid woman that Zinnia joined Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}}/Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}} and manipulated them in the hopes of having Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} resurrected in order to call {{p|Rayquaza}} back to the {{pkmn|world}} to destroy the [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteoroid]], being fully aware of the fact that her actions would risk the lives of many [[human|people]] and {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. However, as the player had managed to stop the super-ancient Pokémon, she had been forced to change her plan.

Zinnia makes another appearance at [[Mossdeep Space Center]], listening in on [[Professor Cozmo]]'s plan to send the oncoming meteoroid to another dimension using technology powered by the Meteorite Shards. Believing this plan will doom the world of another dimension to destruction, she destroys the device, then steals the Key Stone from the head of the team she had joined and challenges the player to meet her at the [[Sky Pillar]].

After the player secures permission to enter the Sky Pillar from [[Wallace]], Zinnia explains the lore of the Draconids as they ascend the tower together. At the top floor, she uses the stolen Key Stones to summon Rayquaza to the Sky Pillar, but her plan fails when Rayquaza does not Mega Evolve despite her efforts. Just as she falls into despair, the Meteorite the player has been carrying for much of the game activates and is consumed by Rayquaza, granting it its missing power. Once the player has captured Rayquaza and added it to their party, Zinnia teaches it {{m|Dragon Ascent}}, then challenges the player to one last battle (which the player does not need to win to progress).

Once the player has gone into space with Mega Rayquaza, destroyed the meteoroid and battled {{p|Deoxys}}, Zinnia disappears from the Sky Pillar. She leaves behind a note with Aster thanking the player for their help. Later at Meteor Falls, her grandmother tells her that she should find her own purpose in life now that she is freed from her lifelong duty. She agrees and leaves her Salamencite with the player before departing. Zinnia's whereabouts after this point are unknown.

===Pokémon===
====Aster====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Zinnia
|nick=Aster
|gender=female
|type1=normal
|img=293Whismur.png
|epnum=Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
|desc=When she is not in disguise, Zinnia is usually accompanied by a {{p|Whismur}} nicknamed '''Aster''' (Japanese: '''シガナ''' ''Shigana''). Zinnia occasionally addresses her like a daughter, and Aster occasionally makes cries of "Mum" (Japanese: '''ママー''' ''Mama'') to Zinnia.

Aster seems to have been named after someone close to Zinnia who has passed away. According to an interview with [[Shigeru Ohmori]] in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, [[Aster]] was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia.<ref>[https://twitter.com/karubiimunomono/status/590395802226266112 Scans of interview in Nintendo Dream June 2015]</ref>

None of Aster's moves are known.}}

====First battle====
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|name=Zinnia
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|{{Pokémon/6
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|pokemon=Tyrantrum
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|level=55
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|ability=Strong Jaw
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stone Edge|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=334
|pokemon=Altaria
|gender=female
|level=55
|type1=Dragon|type2=Flying
|ability=Natural Cure
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hyper Voice|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=373
|pokemon=Salamence
|gender=male
|level=57
|type1=Dragon|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Fire Fang|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thunder Fang|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Second battle====
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|location=Sky Pillar
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|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=706
|pokemon=Goodra
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Sap Sipper
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Muddy Water|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Thunderbolt|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Ice Beam|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=697
|pokemon=Tyrantrum
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|level=60
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|ability=Strong Jaw
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
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|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stone Edge|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=334
|pokemon=Altaria
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Dragon|type2=Flying
|ability=Natural Cure
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hyper Voice|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Div|color={{dragon color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=715
|pokemon=Noivern
|gender=female
|level=60
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|ability=Infiltrator
|move1=Dragon Pulse|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Special
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|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Super Fang|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=373
|pokemon=Salamence
|gender=male
|level=62
|type1=Dragon|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|held=Salamencite
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
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|move3=Fire Fang|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thunder Fang|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color}}; font-size:80%"
| colspan=3 style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:VSZinnia.png|200px]]
|-
| colspan=3 | VS model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}; width:100px" | [[File:Zinnia ORAS OD.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}; width:100px" | [[File:Zinnia Team Magma ORAS OD.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}; width:100px" | [[File:Zinnia Team Aqua ORAS OD.png|100px]]
|-
| Overworld model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
| Overworld model as {{tccolor|Team Magma Grunt|000}} from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby}}
| Overworld model as {{tccolor|Team Aqua Grunt|000}} from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Alpha Sapphire}}
|}

==In spin-off games==
===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===
{{main|Zinnia (Masters)}}

==Quotes==
{{main|Zinnia/Quotes}}

==In the anime==
===Pokémon Evolutions===
Zinnia appears in ''[[PE06|The Wish]]''.
[[File:Zinnia Evolutions.png|220px|thumb|left|Zinnia in Pokémon Evolutions]]
{{-}}
====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Zinnia
|nick=Aster
|gender=female
|type1=normal
|img=Zinnia and Aster Evolutions.png
|cap=Zinnia and Aster
|epnum=PE06
|epname=The Wish
|desc=[[Whismur (Pokémon)|Aster]] is Zinnia's second known Pokémon, it accompanies Zinnia on her journey to find {{p|Rayquaza}}. When Zinnia decides to face the Sky High Pokémon, Zinnia asks {{ga|May}} to take care of Aster in case something happens to her.

In a flashback to Zinnia's childhood, it is shown that Aster has followed Zinnia since she was a child.

None of Aster's moves are known.}}
{{TrainerPoké
|main=Zinnia's Salamence
|trainer=Zinnia
|pkmn=Salamence
|nick=Salamence ↔ Mega Salamence
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|img=Zinnia Mega Salamence Evolutions.png
|cap=Zinnia's Mega Salamence
|epnum=PE06
|epname=The Wish
|desc={{p|Salamence}} is Zinnia's second known Pokémon. }}

=====Voice actors=====
{{vatable|color={{dragon color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color light}}
|ja=佐倉綾音 ''[[Ayane Sakura]]''
|en=
|es_eu=Natalia García Dans}}

====Artwork====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color}}; font-size:80%;"
|-
| style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Zinnia PE poster.png|200px]]
|-
| Official artwork for ''{{color2|000|Pokémon Evolutions}}''
|}

==In the manga==
[[File:Draconids Adventures.png|thumb|270px|Zinnia in Pokémon Adventures]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
Prior to the ORAS chapter, Zinnia was a member of the Draconid people and, like the rest, greatly admired Lorekeeper Aster. When Aster was killed during Devon's attempt to capture and subdue Rayquaza, Zinnia swore vengeance against the company and was later appointed as Aster's successor by the village elder. Most of the Draconid people, however, still mourning Aster and seeing Zinnia mixing her own agendas with the role, did not truly acknowledge her. As the prophecy of another great meteor was near, Zinnia became desperate and first sent her Salamance to the facility holding Rayquaza. Although it had the hiccup of attacking and being beaten by Ruby, Salamence was nonetheless able to accomplish its mission, and Rayquaza was released from the Pokemon Association's grip. Next, she intended to bring out both {{P|Kyogre}} and {{P|Groudon}} in order to lure out Rayquaza, so she could bond with it. To do so, she infiltrated [[Team Magma]] and tipped [[Maxie]] of the Blue and Red Orbs before departing. Unfortunately for her, Rayquaza would instead soar with Norman and Ruby temporarily in order to stop the catastrophic battle between the legendary Pokémon.

Zinnia debuts in the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}. She is first encountered at the [[Sky Pillar]], where she meets {{adv|Ruby}} as he attempts to ascend it alongside {{adv|Eon duo|Latios}}. Believing him to be an intruder, Zinnia attacks Ruby with her {{p|Salamence}}. Ruby manages to get the upper hand by tricking Zinnia's {{p|Whismur}}, Aster, with Pokéblocks, allowing him to pin Zinnia to the ground when she noticed Aster running off. He then demands to know who Zinnia is and what she knows about the upcoming crisis threatening to destroy Hoenn. Zinnia refuses to answer and escapes Ruby's grasp. She then uses her Mega Anklet to Mega Evolve her Salamence into a Mega Salamence. Ruby counters by Mega Evolving Latios into a Mega Latios with his [[Mega Bracelet]]. Ruby eventually manages to defeat Zinnia's Salamence, and reveals that he's aware that he encountered it before.

Zinnia realizes that the person who defeated her Salamence years ago in her attempt to free Rayquaza from the [[Pokémon Association]] must have actually been Ruby all along. She congratulates Ruby for his battling skills and agrees to tell him everything she knows. She reveals that in nine days time, a [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteoroid]] will hit the planet, destroying it and its inhabitants. Zinnia also reveals her hatred for the Devon Corporation due to its choice in using science and technology to prevent the meteoroid from falling. As she prepares to leave to focus on her mission to stop the meteoroid, Zinnia thanks Ruby for his assistance in freeing Rayquaza and flies off. Later, she muses over the fact that Ruby received his Mega Bracelet from Steven Stone, the son of the Devon Corporation's president and angrily wonders where Devon got [[Key Stone]]s from.
[[File:Team Magma Zinnia Adventures.png|thumb|left|230px|Zinnia as a {{tc|Team Magma Grunt}}]]
Later, Zinnia arrives at [[Sea Mauville]] with several Team Aqua and Team Magma Grunts. She finds [[Mr. Stone]] using the [[ultimate weapon|Absorber]] to drain the life energy of {{adv|Sapphire}}'s [[Chic]] and {{adv|Emerald}}'s [[Emerald's Sceptile|Sceptile]] in their Mega-Evolved states to power a machine that will be able to warp the meteoroid away. She reveals that she had spied on Team Magma and Team Aqua during their attempts to awaken Groudon and Kyogre and made allies with several of the Grunts of both teams. She and the Grunts attack everyone to steal the dimensional shifter that Mr. Stone was powering with Chic and Sceptile's life energy. Sapphire takes the dimensional shifter and attempts to run away, but Zinnia manages to take her Mega Bracelet with the Key Stone still inside. Zinnia then decides to go after Steven's Key Stone next and begins attacking him. Just as Zinnia gets the advantage in battle, Ruby arrives with his Mega {{p|Swampert}} [[Mumu]] and asks everyone to stop fighting.

Ruby then begins battling Zinnia. After being told by the Grunts that Sapphire had disappeared with the dimensional shifter, Zinnia decides to retreat. Before leaving, Zinnia attacks Steven in an attempt to take his Key Stone. She is stopped again by Ruby, who offers up his and Emerald's Mega Bracelets to Zinnia to convince her to leave. Zinnia accepts the bribe and leaves, but Ruby reveals he secretly stole a scroll when Zinnia wasn't looking.

At Mossdeep City, Zinnia finds the dimensional shifter outfitted inside a rocket that is in the process of being launched into space. She is attacked by Sapphire, who attempts to stop Zinnia from interfering with the launch. Zinnia is assisted by her Team Magma and Team Aqua allies, who battle Sapphire while Zinnia goes off to stop the rocket, which has already been launched. Sapphire evades her opponents and follows Zinnia onto the rocket, where they battle once more. Zinnia eventually defeats Sapphire by knocking her off of the rocket, giving Zinnia the opportunity to destroy the shifter and the rocket.

At {{rt|120|Hoenn}}, Zinnia finds Ruby and Sapphire riding on top of Rayquaza after successfully befriending it. Angered that they managed to get Rayquaza, Zinnia challenges the two to a battle while wearing a second Mega Anklet. By teaming up with Aster's {{p|Noivern}}, Zinnia manages to lure Rayquaza away from Ruby and Sapphire. Upon getting away, Zinnia reveals to Rayquaza about her attempts to free it from the Pokémon Association's control and asks it to join her in destroying the meteoroid. Rayquaza rejects Zinnia's request, impales her with its tail, and blasts her away in a rage.

Zinnia later awakens in Sootopolis City, having been rescued by {{adv|Eon duo|Latios}}. Mr. Stone attempts to apologize to Zinnia about the trouble he caused in attempting to control Rayquaza. Zinnia rejects Mr. Stone's apology and claims that he is only trying to save face for his failures. Now brought to tears, Zinnia gives up and claims that her villagers were right to believe she wasn't strong enough to save the planet in Aster's stead. This angers Emerald, who claims that they shouldn't give up and there must still be something they can do to save the planet.

When asked why only Draconids are allowed to ride with Rayquaza, Zinnia reveals that the plan to stop the meteoroid is essentially a suicide mission. Due to Rayquaza constantly emitting poisonous ozone when in space, the Lorekeeper would not survive the attack. After hearing Zinnia's explanation, Mr. Stone and Steven get the idea to find a way to protect the person riding on Rayquaza with a special suit. Later, Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald have their various allies from around Hoenn travel to Sootopolis to assist in stopping the meteoroid. There, Steven presents Zinnia with a jar of Key Stones belonging to Aster collected from the Embedded Tower. When Zinnia speculates that Steven took some Key Stones for himself, Steven explains that he received his Key Stone from the [[Gurkinn|Mega Evolution guru]] in Kalos. Although happy that she has the Key Stones needed to bond with Rayquaza, Zinnia collapses from her injuries. She is later seen in a bed and then placed in a wheelchair until she has fully healed. Ruby and Sapphire forgive her for her wrongdoings, with Sapphire promising that they can talk, get to know each other and become friends later.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Zinnia
|pkmn=Whismur
|nick=Aster
|type1=Normal
|img=Zinnia Aster Adventures.png
|epnum=PAORAS02
|epname=Omega Alpha Adventure 2
|desc={{p|Whismur|Aster}} (Japanese: '''シガナ''' ''Shigana'') is Zinnia's first known Pokémon. It was first seen at the Sky Pillar with Zinnia and watched as Zinnia battled against Ruby. Ruby exploited Aster's taste for sour-flavored Pokéblocks to lure it out in the open. When Zinnia tried to get Aster to come back, she was left wide open for Ruby to pull her out of hiding and reveal herself. It has a Relaxed nature.

None of Aster's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=Zinnia's Salamence
|trainer=Zinnia
|pkmn=Salamence
|nick=Salamence ↔ Mega Salamence
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|img=Zinnia Salamence Adventures.png
|cap=Zinnia's Salamence
|img2=Zinnia Mega Salamence Adventures.png
|cap2=Zinnia's Mega Salamence
|epnum=PS252
|epname=The Beginning of the End with Kyogre & Groudon XIV
|desc={{p|Salamence}} is Zinnia's second known Pokémon. It was used to battle against {{adv|Ruby}} and {{p|Latios}} at the Sky Pillar. Although its Defense and power increased after Mega Evolving into Mega Salamence, Ruby defeated it by Mega Evolving Latios into Mega Latios and firing off a {{m|Luster Purge}}. Afterward, Zinnia revealed that her Salamence was the same one that attacked Ruby and {{adv|Sapphire}} as children in an attempt to free {{p|Rayquaza}} from its capture at the hands of the [[Pokémon Association]]. Later, it was used to battle Sapphire at Mossdeep City in order to get to the dimensional shifter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Zinnia
|pkmn=Goodra
|type1=Dragon
|img=Zinnia Goodra Adventures.png
|epnum=PAORAS08
|epname=Omega Alpha Adventure 8
|desc={{p|Goodra}} is Zinnia's third known Pokémon. It was first used to attack Sea Mauville alongside Zinnia's Team Magma and Aqua Grunt allies. [[Ultima]] used her {{p|Dragonite}} to try and battle Goodra, only to be defeated. Later, Goodra battled Steven's Mega {{TP|Steven|Metagross}} and nearly managed to win with its Fire attacks before being interrupted by Ruby. Later, it fought against Sapphire at Mossdeep City.

Goodra's only known move is {{m|Sludge Wave}}.}}

====Borrowed====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Aster
|pkmn=Noivern
|type1=Flying
|type2=Dragon
|img=Aster Noivern Adventures.png
|epnum=PAORAS19
|epname=Omega Alpha Adventure 19
|desc={{p|Noivern}} is a Pokémon originally belonging to [[Aster]]. It helped Zinnia battle against Ruby and Sapphire in order to get them off of Rayquaza. Sensing the lingering presence of Aster on top of Noivern, Rayquaza was attracted towards Noivern, who led it away from Ruby and Sapphire so that Zinnia could convince it to join her.

Noivern's only known move is {{m|Boomburst}}.}}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Zinnia or her Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{{cardlist/header|Zinnia's Pokémon|Supporter|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Rayquaza V (Evolving Skies 110)|Rayquaza]]{{TCGV}}|type=Dragon|standard=yes|enset=Evolving Skies|enrarity=Rare Ultra|ennum=194/203|jpset=Blue Sky Stream|jprarity=SR|jpnum=076/067}}
{{cardlist/div|Other related cards|Dragon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Dragon Majesty|Zinnia|64}}|type=Supporter|expanded=yes|enset=Dragon Majesty|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=64/70|jpset=Dragon Storm|jprarity=U|jpnum=049/053|enset2=Dragon Majesty|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=70/70|jpset2=Dragon Storm|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=059/053}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Evolving Skies|Zinnia's Resolve|164}}|type=Supporter|standard=yes|enset=Evolving Skies|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=164/203|jpset=Blue Sky Stream|jprarity=U|jpnum=065/067|enset2=Evolving Skies|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=203/203|jpset2=Blue Sky Stream|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=079/067|enset3=Evolving Skies|enrarity3=Rare Rainbow|ennum3=225/203|jpset3=Blue Sky Stream|jprarity3=HR|jpnum3=086/067}}
{{cardlist/footer|Supporter}}

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}"
|-
!Language
!Name
!Origin
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Japanese
| ヒガナ ''Higana''
| From 彼岸花 ''higanbana'' ({{wp|Lycoris radiata|red spider lily}}; literally means "flower on the {{wp|higan|other shore}}"), a plant commonly associated to death and the afterlife
|- style="background: #FFF"
| English
| Zinnia
| From ''{{wp|Zinnia}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| German
| Amalia
| From ''{{wp|Amaryllis}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Spanish
| Tristana
| From the genus ''{{wp|Tristagma}}'' of the amaryllis family and the name ''{{wp|Tristan (name)|Tristan}}'' (a name derived from the French word for sorrow) May also be a reference to {{wp|Tristan}}, a knight who had slain a great serpent in the Arthurian legend
|- style="background: #FFF"
| French
| Amaryllis
| From ''Amaryllis''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Italian
| Lyris
| From ''{{wp|Lycoris (plant)|Lycoris}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Korean
| 피아나 ''Piana''
| From 피안화 (彼岸花) ''pi'anhwa'' (red spider lily)
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 希嘉娜 ''Xījiānà''
| rowspan="2" | Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 希嘉娜 ''Hēigānàh''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Zínia
| From ''zínia'' (zinnia)
|}

''Aster''
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{normal color dark}}"
|-
!Language
!Name
!Origin
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Japanese
| シガナ ''Shigana''
| From 此岸 ''shigan'' (mortal world; literally means ''this shore'')
|- style="background: #FFF"
| English
| Aster
| From ''{{wp|Aster (genus)|Aster}}''. Starts with the letter 'A' to contrast with the letter 'Z' in ''Zinnia''.
|- style="background: #FFF"
| German
| Avelina
| From ''aveline'' (French for {{wp|hazelnut}})
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Spanish
| Felicia
| From the genus ''{{wp|Felicia (genus)|Felicia}}'' of the aster family and the name ''{{wp|Felicia}}'' (feminine name derived from the Latin word for happiness)
|- style="background: #FFF"
| French
| Marie-Lise
| From ''Amaryllis''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Italian
| Siryl
| {{wp|Palindrome}} of ''Lyris'' (Zinnia)
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Korean
| 치아나 ''Chiana''
| From 피아나 ''Piana'' (Zinnia) and 차안 (此岸) ''cha'an'', mortal realm
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan}})
| 汐嘉娜 ''Xìjiānà''
| rowspan="2" | Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 汐嘉娜 ''Jihkgānàh''
|}

''Lorekeeper''
{{langtable|color={{dragon color light}}|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|zh_cmn=傳承者 / 传承者 ''Chuánchéngzhě''
|zh_yue=傳承者 ''Chyùhnsìhngjé''
|fr=Gardienne du Savoir
|de=Wissenshüterin
|it=Custode del segreto
|ko=전승자 ''Jeonseungja''
|es=Cronista
}}

==Related articles==
* [[a:Category:Zinnia|Images on the Bulbagarden Archives]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

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[[Category:Trainers with unique classes]]
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[[Category:Members of Team Magma]]
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[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]
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[[de:Amalia]]
[[es:Tristana]]
[[fr:Amaryllis]]
[[it:Lyris]]
[[ja:ヒガナ]]
[[zh:希嘉娜]]

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==Preview Key==
Utilize the Preview key when making edits so you can ensure that the changes you make turn out the way you want them to. This helps when arranging pictures and cuts down on smaller edits that can be done in one edit. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Thanks for your pics in [[Gary Oak]]. Now I'm asking more. I put a template also to the "Temporary" part. Could you add missing pics there? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 07:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Signature Linking ==
Please link your username in your signature as <nowiki>[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{u|Hikaru Wazana}}</nowiki>, NOT simply <nowiki>[[Hikaru Wazana]]</nowiki>. Doing it the last way adds your username as an unwanted link on our [[Special:Wantedpages|wanted pages]], something that's frowned upon here. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

== Code of conduct ==

[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#Userspace and talkspace interaction|Try reading it]]. Your [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:EP001&curid=22634&diff=1475416&oldid=1475144 recent edit] shows that you probably didn't. Thanks! '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I did not offend anyone. In fact, Sheldon is a great character.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]]02:49-15 July 2011
:Actually, I got the joke, and actually chuckled to myself. You didn't offend me at all. I watch the Big Bang Theory all the time. :P [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 03:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
::My bad. Sorry about that. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 04:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

== Cynthia (anime) ==

Don't do it! Stop this splitting madness! We can't split every single game character article. {{unsigned|Maxim}}

== Casey's Elekid ==

I saved the text as you mentioned in the edit summary if the page were to be deleted. If you would like for me to send you the text either on your talk page or through email, please say so. Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Send me by my talk page.

Taking advantage, I like to know, like a page I've been working on months about the anime Cynthia will never see the mainspace area of the site, right?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]]02:09- 14 November 2011



:The text is hidden right above this message. And I really don't see Cynthia (anime) being a mainspace page on this site unfortunately. Cynthia hasn't done that much unlike Professor Oak, Giovanni, and of course the main characters. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Right, I understand. =(

And thanks for the backup--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]]14:00- 14 November 2011

== Preview link ==

Thanks for the link for that preview. I just got there in the nick of time, for when I updated the page after I had seen it once or twice, it was already gone! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 13:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Link templates ==

Hey, I just saw your edit to the [[Cynthia|Cynthia article]], and I'd just like to remind you to use link templates, like using <nowiki>{{p|Garchomp}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>[[Garchomp]]</nowiki>, since that is the whole purpose of link templates. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

== EP001 ==

That was a complete accident. It may have to do with my use of my 3DS and a probable character limit {{unsigned|SandmanDP}}

== BW001 Preview ==

I search the Preview from BW001, pls send me Link, thx. --Altruis 17:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTYcOkRWyUc&feature=youtu.be -- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]]21:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Userspace warning ==

As of today, you have edited the mainspace 9 times this month. You have edited the userspace 12 times. That is against the limit of the {{bp|userspace policy}}. You also edited the userspace in January more than the mainspace. Please reduce the edits you make to the userspace, or your privileges may be revoked. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

::Sorry, it was never my intention to violate any rules.

::But I always tried to keep me tied to the three editions a day, and Personally I do not think it's something useful for Bulbapédia fill the several pages with useless trivia.

::If I see something useful to be added I put, as in my historical look and you can see that pages like [[Gary's Arcanine]] and [[Casey]] for example, were almost stubs before I add information to them.

::Well, I'll try to restrain myself in my edits to my userpage anyway. The problem is that my time is relatively short and I have to make minor edits during my free time.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 04:37- 08 Frebruary 2012

== Grammar ==

Ahem, I noticed your edit to the [[Wani-Wani]] article and I noticed that the grammar was...less than satisfactory. I'm not trying to offend, but the line "it stands up well to the attacks of Wani-Wani and Typhlosion as he prepares to fight back the attack of the opponent an explosion in the background hangs the battle." is really hard to interpret. I'm trying my best to try and fix it, but please try harder to perfect your English next time. I'm sorry if this sounds insulting. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:Ok, i understand.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 01:00- 7 March 2012

OK, I don't want to get into an edit war with you, so I will tell you here. A battle is a battle you say? Then how come we don't count the times Ash battled Team Rocket? And it wasn't really a battle. Persian appeared, and Pikachu attacked it. Giovanni came in and had his Persian attack Pikachu, which easily defeated him. Ash didn't know he was battling Giovanni. Second of all, I know Mewtwo Returns is canon, but saying "Ash meets Giovanni for the ''first time'' since Mewtwo Returns" isn't big enough for a major event nor does it make sense. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ101]] ([[User talk:Satoshi101|talk]]) 20:14, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:The two Pokémon exchanged attacks and it ended in a winner. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what a Pokémon battle is? Also, meeting up with Giovanni again after a few years gap is fairly notable. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== Shobu ==

...Hello. I see that you made an article for Shobu. Thank you. As an encyclopedia, these are obviously necessary. What's not necessary, however, is an article with no information on it. Please, next time, please put actual information other that "x character is a Cotd." An article with just that is no different than no article at all. Categories, plot summaries, voice actors, etc, are all needed. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

== Escavalier ==

Sobre a sua edição na página que eu estou tentando criar, não, não tem problema nenhum, todo mundo pode ajudar. A minha grande preocupação é ver se é notável o bastante para ser uma página da Bulbapedia, o que você acha?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
*Notável até é, mas ja vi recusarem paginas mais importantes como os Pokemons do Drew ou alguns de Paul como Weaville e Gliscor, então não sei o ponto d evista da Bulbapédia com relação a ele, inclusive até o Emboar da Bianca teve um trabalho imenso pra ser aprovado. Conversa com a Kenji Girl, capaz que ela aceite afinal o Escavalier teve um bom destaque até agora.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 03:50- 3 December 2012

== Anime Cynthia ==

Keep [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Cynthia(anime)|this page groomed.]] Kenji Girl recently stated that characters will be more inclined to be made into separate anime pages if they have appeared in at least three anime series. So, if Cynthia appears anytime during XY, we can mainspace your page. As long as you can get it and keep it up to date as best you can. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
::For me, characters from the anime itself should have your pages unique to anime characters as done for the characters of day, many other wikis use this option primarily to increase the content of their characters, the wiki of Saint Seiya has a page for every canon of each saga and its characters as well as wikis from heroes of Marvel. Cynthia had a much greater weight in the story Lyra which in turn had a page for her. However I just back at work with the Cynthia's page if Kenji Girl tell me it will not be deleted.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 03:50- 16 September 2013

== Ammoonguss ==

Stun Spore is not an attack it is a status so that trivia is relevant. {{unsigned|Rahl1}}

== XY075 trivia ==

While it was true that Jessie and Meowth met Steven in Advanced Generation, I doubt they remembered something that happened for awhile since no one could remember everything and Team Rocket has been too occupied with the main protagonists all the time. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 01:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

== Signing comments ==

In the future, please sign comments with four tildes, <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>, so that your signature includes the automatic UTC time stamp with your comment rather than using a manual time stamp. Please take some time to review the {{bp|signature policy}}, thank you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

== Nice Work ==

I know I'm not Kogoro, but I caught your [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kogoro&diff=next&oldid=2336905 request] at her talk page. Nice work on those, especially (I think) the one for Shauna, which seems very detailed. I hope they get approved. I think they would go through the entire Editorial Board, not just Kogoro herself, but that is a good first step. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
::: Thanks. :) --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:55, 2 October 2015 (UTC

== XY140 ==

[[Special:Diff/2525112|Keep it encyclopedic.]] Thanks. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 12:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
**Sorry, I could not resist. I expected twenty years for this. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon gender ==

Please understand. On Bulbapedia, it is our '''explicit''' policy that a Pokemon's gender can only be confirmed by explicit dialogue or by {{m|Attract}}/{{a|Cute Charm}}, or [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]] if the different genders have both been seen and the differences are unambiguous (i.e., while Dustox does have gender differences, it's not feasible to actually judge their gender by it since it's a relative difference). You have been informed of this very clearly.

I can understand your frustration when you consider it obvious, but we also cannot have you continuing to flout our wiki's standards. You don't have to agree with it, but please do follow it. Do not add a gender unless you can cite dialogue, point to Attract/Cute Charm, or show unambiguous gender differences. Nothing else is acceptable.

Thank you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:34, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
::First, thank you for coming to talk to me about it. The problem with this rule is that Atract is a move that was only introduced in Diamond and Pearl (ie, "a short time") in anime. Because of this, many Pokémon in the anime before that had only its kind revealed by visual references (eg Ash's Aipom, Buneary, Butterfree, Charizard). The Atracct rule is not 100% effective, it is worth mentioning (I have my doubts about the way they used to define the genre of Tierno's Blastoise).

::And the anime pretty much already established that there are two types of genre to the Pokémon, male and female, including giving a specific for the gender neutral in the Pokémon games. And most of these revelations have always been, I go back to do, made by visual references (Pokémon using dress, suit, a more delicate look to females, among other things).

::Another point to be placed is than imposing this to Pokémon belonging to characters that probably will never return to the anime.

::But ok, I will not engage in discussions like this. I will follow the rule, although I do not agree with it and think it needs should be reviewed.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Signature policy ==

I notice you somehow signed your talk page post as if it was posted three years ago, which [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGrammarFreak01&type=revision&diff=2996173&oldid=2996166 you had to change]. I'm not sure what happened, but you can just type in four tildes (~) like the reminder says above. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
:I moved away from the portal and the wiki for a long time, so I just forgot how some details were. The date in question was a copy and paste of a formatting of an old message. I wanted to be able to contribute to Bulbapedia gradually as before.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
::Oh, well, now you know. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Are you in charge of the anime section?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
::::No. I do contribute a lot to it, though. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{u|abcboy}} is the current head of anime. If you have any questions, talk to him. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 22:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
{{indent}}Thanks, people. =D [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 09:33, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

==Hau (anime)==
I notice you have your own page for Hau (anime), trouble is I've already started work on [[User:BigDocFan/Hau (anime)|one]] which came first--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
:You being the first to create a page means ''very'' little. Staff has mainspaced pages in the past without taking into consideration which one came first. If your page is closer to the standards they're looking for, then it will get mainspaced. Otherwise, you don't get to claim that you're the only one who has the right to create a page on a specific subject. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 22:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

== Your talk page comments ==

Perhaps you should calm down a little and be more civil with your debates. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:SS005&oldid=3076881 Screaming] isn't really going to help your case. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

==Go's Pokémon==
Just thought I'd let you know, I've started work on pages for Go's Mantyke and Dewgong if you want to help--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:51, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, I do want to. I want to try to do as much as possible for his Pokémon. Thanks for letting me know.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

== Link templates ==

I'm going to have to remind you that there's a distinct difference between linking <nowiki>[[Brock]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{an|Brock}}</nowiki> for [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Amphy&type=revision&diff=3129560&oldid=3091415 your edit] to [[Amphy]]. Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:I forgot that. Thanks.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
::You're welcome. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 10:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Gengar's former Trainer ==

I'm not sure if this Trainer is notable enough to get his own article. He doesn't even have a known name or that much screentime. I recommend you always ask an admin before creating an article if it's notable enough to receive one. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:I imagined that he would fall in the same condition as Damian and Shamus, so it would already be considered remarkable. What happens from now on?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
::Run it past an admin, see what they say.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:::[[Shamus]] was only notable because he had a ''full'' appearance after getting a cameo earlier, a quota this Trainer doesn't fulfill. Unless we know for sure this Trainer is going to return in a major role in the future, we must assume this is the last we'll see of him. As such, the character is not notable enough to get an article. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::::He's essentially a character of the day, and cotds always gets articles if they appear physically and have an important role in the episode. Gengar's former trainer certainly fits both of those, especially the latter since it expands on Gengar's backstory.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I didn't realize that. My bad. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Accents for Pokémon ==

Don't forget, the "e" in Pokémon needs to have an accent over it. You can accomplish this by pressing the "ALT" button, then punch in the numerals 1-3-0. Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== Edit warrirng. ==

Hello. I understand if you've noticed a theme with Ash's various PWC opponents, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Seiya&type=revision&diff=3147069&oldid=3144821 but when someone reverts an edit you made and gives a good, logical reason for doing so], don't just add it back for no reason. Secondly, if you wanted to add that trivia piece back, then just copy the removed text and paste it back instead of just undoing the whole reversion. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 16:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll keep an eye on that, thanks for the warning. If I follow this tip now (to copy only the part of Trivia), will I be committing this infraction or is it better to let someone else do it?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== The Preview Button ==
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan2006]]''''' 18:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Your signature ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGrammarFreak01&type=revision&diff=3194969&oldid=3194962 Why are you using my username and talk page link in your signature]? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

:Sorry, it was a mistake. I did copy + paste to make writing easier.You don't have to be rude.[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 21:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

::How am I even being rude? I was just asking what was up with that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me, but it must be because of the way it was written. You could have warned me in the conversation itself. In any case, I already fixed it.Sorry about that.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 21:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Well, I felt it would be off-topic, so I started a different conversation about that. My bad. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== Deleting merger templates ==

Hello, I'd noticed you had deleted the merge templates on Daisy, Violet and Lily's pages a while ago, stating that it was an old discussion thread. I'd leave such a decision to the admins in future. I've readded it, hoping a discussion would get underway. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 13:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
::Bulbapedia discussions can no longer be answered after six months of creation. And personally it doesn't make any sense to put together the three pages of the characters when each one has its own identity and own story within the anime (including Daisy).[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

==Goh's Sobble==
I've made a start on a page for [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Sobble|Goh's Sobble]], could you give me a hand--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
:Leave it to me.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

== OK Thanks ==

I'm not that great and im awful at grammar and munch more --Gian9456 21:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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== Stop it ==

Stop adding the second Pinsir in the list of Goh's Pokémon! That list is for Pokémon he keeps in the Cerise Laboratory, not Pokémon that he traded away or was under temporary care! [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 17:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
::I didn't put any second Pinsir. The page was all formatted wrong and I was trying to fix it.Or is it to leave it with broken links and box with the source code in sight?
I recommend taking a look at previous changes.I have nothing to do with second Pinsir.[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 17:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry, my bad. [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 18:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

==Goh's Flygon==
I've started a [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Flygon|page]] for Goh's Flygon and was wondering if you could give me a hand getting it ready for possible mainspace.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

==Bea (anime)==
I've had a look at your page, without the subs I'm not sure what else to add at present but added a VA link. When you get a chance, could you take a look at my page for Bea's Grapploct?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::Okay thank you. I will help with your page too.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 14:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== Interjecting ==

Please don't interject into a conversation [[Special:Diff/3299507|like this]] to explain what someone else means. Before Force Fire even had a chance to respond, you piped in and provided an incorrect clarification on what Force Fire was saying. As you can see later in the conversation, this caused serious confusion for the other user, who thought that your erroneous description was accurate.

If it's a question that you know one of the two users in a conversation is going to be able to answer themselves, just let them do so. Trying to answer on their behalf is only going to cause problems. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
::What wrong information did I give? The only thing that was different is that ForceFire said that the matter lacked another more specific source. And I didn't try to pass in front of anyone, I just wanted to help, since the user in question made a series of massive changes(which greatly hinders the progress of the information on the site).
::If someone starts acting like a spambot, isn't it my duty as a collaborator to try to help?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 18:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
:::You came in and said that a source like a game or news website was required, which Force Fire later had to clarify was ''not'' what he meant. Force Fire barely had time to respond when you came in and interjected; you can tell from the rest of the discussion that this confused RacieB about what kind of sourcing was required.
:::The user did not make any massive changes. RacieB added a single trivium to a number of pages, which is fairly small, even though it did affect several pages.
:::If you think a user may be a spambot, you should report that behaviour to a staff member. But RacieB was not posting spam, and was clearly engaging in a human manner. Nor do I believe that you thought she was a spambot, because you also engaged with her as if she was a human when you tried to explain Force Fire's comment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:17, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::::Because I didn't think he was a spambot, I tried to talk to him. I even tried to be as polite as possible with him.
::::Look, I just tried to help, that's all. It will not be repeated. Send my apologies to ForceFire. u_u --[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 01:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

==Team Rocket's Secret Base==
Was wondering if you could give me a hand with [[User:BigDocFan/Team Rocket's Secret Base]] please--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

== Eeveelution staff member ==

Just because these two characters look exactly the same in two different episodes, it doesn't mean they were actually meant to be the same character. Did the staff member ''say'' they were at the Raid Battle? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
:And why would the character talk about Raid Battle with people she had never seen before? Even because the confusion happened because she didn't know Ash, Goh or Koharu? Do you really think that the anime would create two exactly the same characters, who live in the same city, who have the same Pokémon in a space of 47 episodes?
:In a little while you will appear questioning whether Chloe's friends who appear in the background of school episodes are the same between episodes?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, I do think the anime would do that. It's been done before with the [[Otane]] character model. Check out her entry in the [[Anime character recycling]] article. Prior to her debut, her character model was used twice before in the same [[series]]. But no one's ever assumed they're the same person. This is why confirmation is needed in these cases. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
:::[[Concetta]] and [[Sara Lee]] says hi. And the example you gave is of a character similar to others that appeared in other phases of the anime. Nor is it the same case as you try to pass.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
::::They both appeared constantly in Showcases. Within that context, it goes without saying they're most likely the same character. Was the Raid Battle meant to be related to the Eevee Evolution Laboratory? And you missed my point. They used the character model ''twice'' in ''the same series'', as in it appeared twice in the [[original series]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
:::::Ash already participated in Contests, what is this relationship with Gym Battles? Dawn already battled with an Elite Four and Gym Leader, what is this relationship with Contests? Alain is a trainer who sought to know more about Mega Evolutions, what is the relationship between this and the Pokémon League?Brock is a Pokémon Doctor, how does that relate to him battling in the Doubles Championship in Hearthome or Pokémon Contests?Do you want me to continue?
:::::This argument is so fragile that it can go far
:::::Regarding your point, every time they recycle a look, they put a detail to differentiate. What is even perceived when comparing the characters[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 04:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::Sorry to but in, but GrammarFreak means the character models are recycled even in the same series, like Tracey in the pages' list. I'd like to add that you're kinda steering away from the whole look-a-like situation here.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 04:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
https://i.postimg.cc/x8WmXb1n/Comparision.png

I went after the character personally, in AG it is someone with different colored clothes, in BW only the face remains similar and the clothes change, in the original saga it may be the same character (although she has no name and no relevant information in both appearances).The detail that differentiates is the hair, in the Goldenrod episode it is a hair thrown to the right side and the Smeargle episode is to the left.It is even possible that Johto's character is the same, but at this point it is impossible to have this confirmation.

About the other answer...

It's okay, Animaltamer. Don't worry.

The point that puts the two characters as the same is the information we have about the two. AnimalTamer. If it were a case of recycling, they would not repeat the character even in the city where they live.
[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 04:40, 17 December 2020
:Just butting in here, but I'm on the side of it being the same character. She has the exact same general design. From the hair, to her earrings and even her belt (with a buckle in the shape of a thunderbolt). The only difference between her appearances are her other clothes; but it's not farfetched to assume she has different clothes for battling and working. Everything else is identical. Not to mention her voice is the same too. I think it is way too nitpicky to compare her to character recycling between two entirely different sagas. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 16:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you for providing the evidence that this is the same character. But regarding my "nitpicking", for the last time, Otane's character model was used ''twice'' in the [[original series]]. I ''wasn't'' talking about cross-saga character model recycling. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

== Grammar again ==

Your description of Chloe's role in episode 50 was less than satisfactory. You used links that were already in use earlier in the same section, many of the links you added were redirect links, and overall, the text structure was not up to Bulbapedia's standards. I've hidden your text until it's been rewritten. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

== Tense consistency ==

Please pay attention to the tense of the text you're editing. If it's the past tense, have your own text be in that tense too. Otherwise, it'll be inconsistent. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
::I will try to pay attention to that.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

== Yes ==

But wasn't he too exhausted from his previous battle and training
thats using stamina and resilience
so the battle was likey due to true bond and be weakend enough to loose one powerful hit.
--Gian9456 17:35, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

==Chewtle==
I wasn't expecting it to get any more focus than it did lol--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

== Anime series sections ==

Hey, I created a proposal of adding series sections in the articles for Pokémon species. For instance, adding "Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl", "Pokémon the Series: Black & White", etc. sections in {{p|Pikachu}}.

This is being discussed here: [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#Pokémon pages with anime series sections]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 13:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

== Grookey ==

I checked your source and I have no idea where it says that Grookey is going to be around regularly. I'm sure it will but for now all we have to go off of is its debut.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
::He is the creator of the manga, every month he puts a preview of the edition with the next chapter. The most recent chapter will be based on the Grookey episode. This is done every month. There are even scans from the chapter running Twiiter.
::Incidentally, I just put the capture section of the manga. I don't know who put anything inside the anime section.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
:::Whoops, did not notice the manga part you added. Sorry.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

== Tense inconsistency again ==

Your tense inconsistency still remains. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::Yeah, i known. You told me about one hundred of times more or less.-[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== Stream links ==

Please avoid linking to full episodes on stream sites like Dailymotion, they infringe on copyright and could land us in trouble. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::Ok, i'm sorry for this.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:35, 02 May 2021 (UTC)

== Copying content from Serebii ==

Please do not copy content from Serebii without permission or attribution. This is considered plagiarism and is not allowed on Bulbapedia. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
::Sorry but what are you talking about?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
::::The page I made of Pokétoon is over a year old. The credits of the Pancham episode are in the description of the episode, I just copied the information from the video itself.
(Screens I took from my own computer)
*https://i.postimg.cc/VLJGgr1V/print-2.jpg
*https://i.postimg.cc/DyRCMvwy/print1.png
* The Synopsis was taken from my interpretation of the episodes.
--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::Where in that screenshot does it say "Kefou" or "Color Co-ordinator", as [[Special:Diff/3354801|you had in the credits that you added to the page]]? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
::::::Ok, let's go

* Kefou 可否 In the screenshot is where the "Yes or No" is. It's Chinese(Blame Google for that, unfortunately I don't know Chinese), just play these letters
"可否" on Google that you think that name.
*https://i.postimg.cc/ZKm2sJYS/print3.png

* Color Coordinator in the fourth line, where is done by Kato Oswaldo. https://www.instagram.com/p/CH-B0Pajg79/ --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

== Electric (single) ==

Had to move [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Eletric (single)]] to [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Electric (single)]] because the title contained a typo. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]'''''[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|something to say?]] 17:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
::Oh, thanks. =D --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

== Greetings ==

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::Thanks for the words. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 04:29, 09 August 2021 (UTC)
::No problem. Happy to have you to help us out. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

==Goh's Pokemon==
Nice to see you haven't left us, if you ever need a hand with images or information for pages, feel free to ask and I'll help where possible. I've uploaded an image of Boldore using Headbutt for when you start work on a page for Goh's Boldore.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. =D I started the Goh's Boldore page, I'm going to try to make progress on some pages little by little. Let's see what happens.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 01:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
::I want to echo that I'm glad you haven't left us. We appreciate you wanting to contribute. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

== Width Edit of ActivePoké Template ==

Hi. Could you please stop reverting justified edits on the wiki? The edit that you make contradicts other edits on this wiki, as you can find lots of usage ActivePoké with 100% width, as it is supposed to be how it is used, which you can see in any main character page for an example. Thank you. — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 13:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Aster ==

What is your source on that woman being confirmed to be Aster? Was her name used? Because if not, then it could have been someone else. --[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 17:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Aster

2021-12-09T17:52:24Z

Tempest370: Source on this?

{{samename|{{p|Whismur}} owned by [[Zinnia]]|Zinnia#Aster|Zinnia → Aster}}
{{spoilers}}
{{CharInfobox
|color={{dragon color}}
|corecolor={{dragon color light}}
|bordercolor={{dragon color dark}}
|name=Aster
|jname=シガナ
|tmname=Shigana
|image=None.png
|caption=
|gender=Female
|region=[[Hoenn]]
|trainerclass=Lorekeeper{{tt|*|Pokémon Adventures}}
|hometown=[[Meteor Village]]{{tt|*|Pokémon Adventures}}
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|VI}}
|games={{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|team=no
|footnotes=}}

'''Aster''' (Japanese: '''シガナ''' ''Shigana'') is a character in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}. She is never seen throughout either game and is implied to be deceased.

==In the games==
Aster is first mentioned at the beginning of the [[Delta Episode]] by [[Zinnia]], who swears to Aster that she will protect the world from an incoming [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteoroid]].

Near the end of the Delta Episode, Zinnia reveals to the {{player}} that she and Aster used to be together all the time before the latter was lost.

According to an interview with [[Shigeru Ohmori]] in the June 2015 issue of Nintendo Dream, Aster was a person with special powers who held the position of Lorekeeper before Zinnia<ref>[https://twitter.com/karubiimunomono/status/590395802226266112 Scans of interview in Nintendo Dream June 2015]</ref>, much like Aster in Pokémon Adventures.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Adventures===
Aster debuts in the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}. She was one of the [[Draconid people|Draconids]] and was given the title of Lorekeeper due to possessing special powers. She had also befriended {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Rayquaza}}, the Legendary Pokémon revered by the Draconids, and was the only known member of the clan to have permission to ride on top of it.

When the [[Devon Corporation]] came to the [[Embedded Tower]] in hopes of capturing Rayquaza so that the [[Pokémon Association]] could study it, Aster fought alongside Rayquaza in order to stop them. Though the battle went unseen, Rayquaza was successfully captured and taken away along with several Key Stones that Aster had collected. When Zinnia arrived at the tower, she found the area in flames and that Aster had died during the battle. Traumatized by Aster's death, Zinnia began to cry so much that her voice eventually gave out. She also took a partially burnt cloak belonging to Aster as a memento.

With Aster dead, the title of Lorekeeper was passed down to Zinnia. Despite this, some Draconids were opposed to Zinnia becoming the next Lorekeeper, as she was not as strong as Aster and did not possess the abilities needed to stop the [[Grand Meteor Delta|meteoroid]] that was foreseen to crash into the planet.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Aster
|pkmn=Noivern
|type1=Flying
|type2=Dragon
|img=Aster Noivern Adventures.png
|epnum=PAORAS19
|epname=Omega Alpha Adventure 19
|desc={{p|Noivern}} is Aster's only known Pokémon. It was first seen helping Zinnia battle against {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} in order to convince Rayquaza to join Zinnia's side. Sensing the lingering presence of Aster on top of Noivern, Rayquaza was attracted towards Noivern, who led it away from Ruby and Sapphire so that Zinnia could talk to Rayquaza alone.

Noivern's only known move is {{m|Boomburst}}.}}

=====Befriended=====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Aster
|pkmn=Rayquaza
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|img=Rayquaza Adventures.png
|epnum=PS258
|epname=Rayquaza Redemption I
|desc={{main|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)#Rayquaza|Rayquaza (Adventures)}}

{{p|Rayquaza}} is an ancient Legendary Pokémon revered by the Draconid people. In the past, Aster befriended Rayquaza and was the only known Draconid that was allowed to ride on top of its head.}}


==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}"
|-
!Language
!Name
!Origin
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Japanese
| シガナ ''Shigana''
| From 此岸 ''shigan'' (mortal world; literally means ''this shore'')
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| English
| Aster
| From ''{{wp|Aster (genus)|Aster}}''. Starts with the letter 'A' to contrast with the letter 'Z' in ''Zinnia''.
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| French
| Marie-Lise
| From ''Amaryllis'' (Zinnia)
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| German
| Avelina
| From ''aveline'' (French for {{wp|hazelnut}})
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Italian
| Siryl
| {{wp|Palindrome}} of ''Lyris'' (Zinnia)
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Spanish
| Felicia
| From the plant genus ''{{wp|Felicia (genus)|Felicia}}'' and the name ''{{wp|Felicia}}'', meaning happy
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Korean
| 치아나 ''Chiana''
| From 피아나 ''Piana'' (Zinnia) and 차안 (此岸) ''cha'an'', mortal realm

|}

==References==
{{reflist}}

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{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Female characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]
[[Category:Dragon-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]

[[de:Avelina]]
[[it:Syril]]
[[zh:汐嘉娜]]

Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

2016-01-09T04:52:01Z

Tempest370: not really notable or interesting

{{incomplete|needs=Compatibility and beta elements sections are missing}}
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|name=Pokémon Omega Ruby
|name2=Pokémon Alpha Sapphire
|jname=ポケットモンスターオメガルビー
|jname2=ポケットモンスターアルファサファイア
|boxart=Omega Ruby EN boxart.png
|boxart2=Alpha Sapphire EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Omega Ruby's boxart, [[Game mascot|featuring]] [[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Groudon}}
|caption2=Pokémon Alpha Sapphire's boxart, [[Game mascot|featuring]] [[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Kyogre}}
|jbox=Omega Ruby JP boxart.png
|jbox2=Alpha Sapphire JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Pokémon Omega Ruby Japanese boxart
|jcaption2=Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Japanese boxart
|category = RPG
|players=1-4 players simultaneous
|gen_series = [[Generation VI]]
|link_method=[[Nintendo 3DS|3DS Wireless]], [[StreetPass]], [[SpotPass]], [[Nintendo Network]], [[Infrared|IR]]
|platform = [[Nintendo 3DS]]
|Wi-Fi compatible = Yes
|release_date_ja = November 21, 2014
|release_date_au = November 21, 2014
|release_date_eu = November 28, 2014
|release_date_na = November 21, 2014
|release_date_kr = November 21, 2014
|publisher = [[Nintendo]]/[[The Pokémon Company]]
|developer = [[Game Freak]]
|esrb =E
|pegi=7
|cero=A
|acb=PG
|oflc=PG
|grb=ALL
|staff = no
|stafflink = Staff of Pokémon X and Y
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/ Official Japanese site]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-omega-ruby-and-pokemon-alpha-sapphire/ Pokémon.com] [http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/xHjZoJZNsTd-_XZzm5BbaHwRk5fb0jtJ Nintendo.com (Pokémon Omega Ruby)] [http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/OBUd6mL2L8yvm9zS7kfm5YJHaMK-zgh7 Nintendo.com (Pokémon Alpha Sapphire)] [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/ Official English site]
}}
{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
'''Pokémon Omega Ruby''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターオメガルビー''' ''Pocket Monsters Omega Ruby'') and '''Pokémon Alpha Sapphire''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターアルファサファイア''' ''Pocket Monsters Alpha Sapphire'') are paired [[Generation VI]] games that are enhanced [[remake]]s of the [[Generation III|third-generation]] titles {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}. The new games were revealed in a worldwide announcement on the official Pokémon websites on May 7, 2014 and were released in most regions of the world on November 21, 2014 with the exception of Europe, where the games were released on November 28, 2014.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
The plot of Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire is mostly the same as Ruby and Sapphire with a few changes.

The player starts their journey in [[Littleroot Town]], where the family has just moved in from the [[Johto]] region after the player's father, [[Norman]], became the leader of the [[Petalburg Gym]]. The story starts off with the player riding in the moving van, which arrives in Littleroot. After exiting the van, the player's mother explains that they have just arrived at their new home; they then enter the house together, and there are {{p|Machoke}} movers carrying boxes. The player's mother suggests that the player introduce themselves to [[Professor Birch]], a friend of Norman's.

Upon arriving at Birch's house, his wife greets the player, and upstairs the player meets their [[Rival|pseudo-rival]] (the alternate-gender player character of the player), the child of Professor Birch; after the introduction, he/she soon leaves to join Birch, who is out in the field. The player then finds Birch on {{rt|101|Hoenn}}, where he is being chased by a {{p|Poochyena}}. Birch asks the player to take a [[Poké Ball]] out of his bag, which is lying on the ground; the player then chooses between {{p|Treecko}}, {{p|Torchic}}, and {{p|Mudkip}} as their [[starter Pokémon]]. After choosing, a battle immediately begins with the wild Poochyena. After rescuing Birch, he lets the player keep the chosen Pokémon as thanks for saving him. He then tells the player to meet up with his kid on {{rt|103|Hoenn}} for pointers on how to be a Trainer.

Once the player finds their pseudo-rival on {{rt|103|Hoenn}}, they have their first {{pkmn|battle}}, after which they return to Birch's lab, where the player receives a [[Pokédex]] and some [[Poké Ball]]s. When leaving through the Route 101, the player runs into the pseudo-rival who gives him/her a new upgrade for the [[PokéNav Plus]], the DexNav, and teaches him/her how to use it. Once the player arrives in Petalburg City, they meet with their father at the Gym, where he tells them that he is happy to learn that they have become a Trainer like him. During the conversation, a local boy named {{ga|Wally}} enters the Gym and asks Norman to help him catch a Pokémon. Norman loans Wally a {{p|Zigzagoon}} and a Poké Ball. He then asks the player to go along and help Wally with his task. On {{rt|102|Hoenn}}, Wally catches a {{p|Ralts}}, and the Trainers then return to the Gym, where Wally gives his thanks before being called home by his mother. Norman then encourages the player to travel [[Hoenn]] and challenge the nine [[Gym Leader]]s: [[Roxanne]], [[Brawly]], [[Wattson]], [[Flannery]], [[Norman]], [[Winona]], [[Tate and Liza]], and [[Wallace]].

The player then travels through {{rt|104|Hoenn}} and [[Petalburg Woods]]; just before the exit from the woods, the player encounters the nefarious [[Team Magma]]{{sup/6|OR}} or [[Team Aqua]]{{sup/6|AS}}. After battling, the grunt reveals that their team is after something in [[Rustboro City]]. Upon exiting the forest, the player is spotted by a [[Zinnia|red-eyed grunt]] who reports to her leader.

At the [[Rustboro Gym]], the player battles Roxanne and earns the {{Badge|Stone}}; afterwards, the player runs into the Devon Researcher from Petalburg Woods. He tells the player that he has been robbed by Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}}/Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}} and that the player must get the {{key|IV|Devon Goods}} back from the evil team. The player then heads out onto {{rt|116|Hoenn}} and discovers an old man named [[Mr. Briney]] who tells them that the villainous team has also taken his {{p|Wingull}} [[Peeko]] hostage and gone into the [[Rusturf Tunnel]]. The player confronts the grunt inside the tunnel and retrieves the Devon Goods, as well as rescuing Peeko.

Once the Devon Goods are returned, the researcher asks the player to deliver them to the shipyard in [[Slateport City]]. The player then meets [[Mr. Stone]], the president of the [[Devon Corporation]], who asks that the player stop by [[Dewford Town]] and deliver a letter to his son {{Steven}}; as thanks for the player's earlier work, Mr. Stone gives the player a new upgrade for the [[PokéNav Plus]], the Buzznav. The player heads back through the Petalburg Woods to [[Mr. Briney]]'s house, where he gives the player a ride down {{rt|105|Hoenn}} to Dewford Town. Just north of Dewford on {{rt|106|Hoenn}} is the [[Granite Cave]] where Steven is exploring. The cave is open to visitors, but the room where Steven is is blocked by curious Hikers. They are gone by the time the player earns the {{Badge|Knuckle}} from Brawly at the [[Dewford Gym]]. The player finds Steven in the Granite Cave, looking at a mural of a Groudon marked with omegas{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre marked with alphas{{sup/6|AS}} and remembering old legends. After listening to Steven, the player delivers the letter to him, he rewards the player with {{TM|51|Steel Wing}} and tells the player that he/she could potentially become the Pokémon League Champion.

After leaving Dewford Town, Mr. Briney takes the player across {{rt|107|Hoenn}} and {{rt|108|Hoenn}} to {{rt|109|Hoenn}}, just south of Slateport City. When the player arrives in Slateport, there is a noticeable crowd of Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}}/Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}} grunts blocking the entrance to the [[Oceanic Museum]]. When the player tries to drop off the Devon Goods at [[Stern's Shipyard]], they learn that [[Captain Stern]] is in the Oceanic Museum. Once the player finds Captain Stern, they are confronted by two villainous grunts, and after defeating them, the villainous team's leader [[Maxie]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Archie]]{{sup/6|AS}} appears and tells the player of their plans before warning not to get in the way again.

After giving the Devon Goods to Captain Stern, the player leaves Slateport City and travels {{rt|110|Hoenn}}; after encountering and battling the pseudo-rival, the player arrives in [[Mauville City]]. Outside of the [[Mauville Gym]], the player finds Wally and his uncle; Wally challenges the player to a battle to prove to his uncle that he is ready for the Gym. After the battle, Wally's uncle invites the player to visit [[Verdanturf Town]] sometime. Once the {{Badge|Dynamo}} has been earned from Wattson, the player heads to Verdanturf Town and uses {{m|Rock Smash}} to clear the previously blocked Rusturf Tunnel, earning {{HM|04|Strength}} as a reward. Next, the player returns to Mauville and travels through {{rt|111|Hoenn}} and {{rt|112|Hoenn}} to the [[Fiery Path]], on the other side of which the player continues through {{rt|113|Hoenn}} to [[Fallarbor Town]].

Inside the Fallarbor Pokémon Center, the player meets [[Lanette]], who invites them to her house on {{rt|114|Hoenn}}. At the end of Route 114 is [[Meteor Falls]], inside which the player finds Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}}/Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}}. This time, they have stolen a valuable {{key|IV|Meteorite}} from [[Professor Cozmo]]. Suddenly, the scene is interrupted by the appearance of the opposite-version's team, which causes the thieves to retreat to [[Mt. Chimney]] with the stolen meteorite. At the top of Mt. Chimney, Team Magma and Team Aqua can be found fighting over the meteorite; after fighting an admin of the primary evil team, [[Tabitha]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Shelly]]{{sup/6|AS}}, the player finds the leader of the team, [[Maxie]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Archie]]{{sup/6|AS}}, using the meteorite in a strange machine with the intention of turning it into a Mega Stone. The leader then battles the player. After the battle, the leader is informed of a better way to achieve his team's goals, lets the player take and keep the meteorite, and retreats.

Taking the southern path that was blocked by the battling teams, the player exits Mt. Chimney and reaches [[Lavaridge Town]], home of the [[Lavaridge Gym]]. After receiving the {{Badge|Heat}} from Flannery, the player is given the [[Go-Goggles]] by their pseudo-rival, who then suggests that the player challenge their father at the Petalburg Gym. After getting the {{Badge|Balance}} from Norman, the player visits Wally's father, who gives the player {{HM|03|Surf}}.

As the player then travels through {{rt|118|Hoenn}} (just east of Mauville City), they encounter Steven once again. Their discussion is interrupted by the arrival of a frightened [[Latias]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Latios]]{{sup/6|AS}}. Steven realizes the legendary Pokémon is asking for help, and it takes both Steven and the player to [[Southern Island]] where the evil team admin [[Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Aqua Admin Matt|Matt]]{{sup/6|AS}} is terrorizing [[Latios]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Latias]]{{sup/6|AS}}. After fighting off the evil team, [[Latios]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Latias]]{{sup/6|AS}} decides to join the player's team and give him/her its Mega Stone. Steven awards the player with a Mega Bracelet and [[Latias]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Latios]]{{sup/6|AS}} takes both of them back to {{rt|118|Hoenn}}.

Afterwards, the player continues through {{rt|119|Hoenn}}, reaching the [[Weather Institute]], which is being attacked by the evil team in search of more information on Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}}. After battling the grunts, the player comes face to face with the admin [[Tabitha]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Shelly]]{{sup/6|AS}}, who appears distressed with what he/she found out. After besting the admin, the player saves the institute and is given a Pokémon {{p|Castform}} as a reward. Shortly after leaving the Institute, the pseudo-rival appears and battles the player, and they give away {{HM|02|Fly}} upon defeat.

The player arrives in [[Fortree City]] but cannot challenge the Gym because something invisible is blocking the entrance. On {{rt|120|Hoenn}}, the player once again meets Steven, and he gives the player the {{key|IV|Devon Scope}}, a Mega Stone and notices that the meteorite the player picked up from Mt Chimney emits light. The Devon Scope allows the player to enter the Gym by revealing the invisible thing to be the Pokémon {{p|Kecleon}}. After the player defeats Winona and receives the {{Badge|Feather}}, the quest continues through {{rt|120|Hoenn}} and {{rt|121|Hoenn}} to [[Lilycove City]]. On {{rt|121|Hoenn}}, there are some grunts from the evil team discussing their plan to go to [[Mt. Pyre]], and upon arriving in Lilycove, the player finds it crawling with more grunts. Outside of the [[Lilycove Department Store]], the player battles his/her pseudo-rival again. After the battle, the pseudo-rival notices the meteorite shining in the player's bag, just like Steven did before.

After the battle, the player heads to Mt. Pyre to drive off the evil team. At the summit of Mt. Pyre, the player finds the leader of the team, who has taken the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}{{sup/6|AS}} and proclaims that the young Trainer has arrived too late to stop him; the team then heads for Slateport City. The old couple that watch over the orbs beseech the player to stop the evil team, and they give the player the stolen orb's counterpart. Upon returning to Slateport, the player finds that Capt. Stern has discovered an undersea cavern on {{rt|128|Hoenn}}. The evil team then suddenly appears and takes over the captain's research submarine. The leader of the evil team once again taunts the player, and he mentions that the team's hideout is in Lilycove City. Once the player fights their way through to the center of the hideout, finding the [[Master Ball]] along the way, they encounter an admin Courtney{{sup/6|OR}}/Matt{{sup/6|AS}} who battles the player to stall until the leader takes off in the submarine.

The player must then travel {{rt|124|Hoenn}} to [[Mossdeep City]], where he/she challenges Tate and Liza of the [[Mossdeep Gym]] to earn the {{Badge|Mind}}. After this a pillar of light appears on {{rt|128|Hoenn}}. Steven notices the player coming out of the Gym and invites him/her to his house, where he gives him/her the {{HM|07|Dive}} and the Devon Scuba Gear. Heading to {{rt|128|Hoenn}} and using Dive, the player finds the [[Seafloor Cavern]], where the evil team has gone. In the deepest reaches of the cavern, the player has a showdown with the team leader [[Maxie]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Archie]]{{sup/6|AS}}. After the battle, the player witnesses [[Tabitha]]{{sup/6|OR}}/[[Shelly]]{{sup/6|AS}} arriving and trying to warn their leader against waking up the legendary Pokémon, but the leader dismisses the warnings and uses the Orb to awaken the sleeping {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}}. After being awakened, the ancient Pokémon breaks out of the cavern and starts moving towards [[Sootopolis City]], its power driving the weather all over Hoenn out of control. The leader realizes that he can't control the Pokémon's power at all; just then, the leader of the opposite team appears, and the two bosses team up to try to stop the rampage.

After the bosses leave, Steven appears and tells the player to catch up with Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} in [[Sootopolis City]]. Heading to {{rt|126|Hoenn}} and using Dive again, the player finds the entrance to Sootopolis City. Inside the city, the player finds Steven, who introduces them to his friend Wallace, the Sootopolis Gym Leader, who is also entrusted with the duty of protecting the [[Cave of Origin]].

Upon arriving in front of the cave's entrance, Steven, Wallace and the player meet up with the leaders and admins of both teams, as well as the pseudo-rival. The player receives the Magma Suit{{sup/6|OR}}/Aqua Suit{{sup/6|AS}} and is told that the Orb he/she posesses has the power to weaken the ancient Pokémon. After a few words of encouragement from everyone, the player heads inside. He/she puts the suit on, inserts the orb into a slot in the suit and latches on to Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} as the ancient Pokémon makes its way to the chamber where it can accomplish its Primal Reversion. The player witnesses it undergo the transformation and fights it. After capturing or defeating the Pokémon, the weather (seemingly) returns to normal, and the world is saved. Steven gives the player the Eon Flute and leaves.

After defeating [[Wallace]] at the [[Sootopolis Gym]], the latter gives out the final badge, {{Badge|Rain}}, and mentions that Prof Birch has something for him/her. Returning to Littleroot Town, the player is told that the recent events did change the climate in the Hoenn region, causing the Pokémon species that once left Hoenn to come back, and the regional Pokédex is not sufficient anymore, and gets the National Pokédex upgrade. The player now has all eight Badges, and they head down {{rt|128|Hoenn}} to [[Ever Grande City]], where {{ho|Victory Road}} and the Elite Four await. Wally battles the player one last time before they exit the cavern.

The [[Elite Four]] are the strongest Trainers in the region, and they can only be battled by challengers that have proven themselves by collecting the eight Badges of Hoenn. They are [[Sidney]], who specializes in {{type|Dark}} Pokémon; [[Phoebe]], who specializes in {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon; [[Glacia]], who specializes in {{type|Ice}} Pokémon; and [[Drake]], who specializes in {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon. After defeating the Elite Four, the player must then battle the [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]], Steven.

After the battle, Professor Birch and the pseudo-rival arrive to congratulate the player. Birch examines the player's Pokédex, the player is registered in the Hall of Fame, and the credits roll as the player and the pseudo-rival return home. Back on {{rt|103|Hoenn}}, the pseudo-rival becomes nostalgic and challenges the player one last time.

Returning home, the player overhears his/her parents discussing their plans to go see the [[Litleonids]] at [[Mossdeep City]], that [[Norman]] now has to cancel. As the parents ponder about what they can do with the tickets they bought, a mysterious symbol appears on screen, which then fades into a "To be continued" chyron.

Upon loading the saved game, the story continues with the [[Delta Episode]].

After completing the Delta Episode, the player is returned to Littleroot Town. Downstairs, [[Norman]] gives the player the {{key|IV|S.S. Ticket}} to take the [[S.S. Tidal]] over to the [[Battle Resort]].

==Pre-release information==
According to the press release that announced the games, the new titles will take players through a dramatic story within a spectacular new world.<ref name="youtube announcement">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywGSON9tNq0 Youtube: "Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire -- November 2014!"]</ref> The first footage from the game, a cutscene showing {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} manipulating the weather via their respective Abilities, was revealed three days after the games' first announcement.<ref name="youtube first footage">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00DyEDmQ83s Youtube: "Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire—Sneak Peek Footage"]</ref> One month after the games' announcement, it was revealed that Groudon and Kyogre can undergo Primal Reversion becoming Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, respectively.<ref name="primal legendaries">[[n:Details on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire announced|Bulbanews: "Details on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire announced"]]</ref>

A number of features introduced in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that had since been discontinued will return in these games. [[Pokémon Contests]] and customizable [[Secret Base]]s (now "Super Secret Bases") will return for the first time since {{game|Platinum}},<ref name="Secret Bases">[[n:Super-Secret Bases confirmed for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Bulbanews: "Super-Secret Bases confirmed for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire"]]</ref> while the [[Mach Bike]], the [[Acro Bike]], and third-generation [[player character]]s [[Brendan]] and [[May]] will return for the first time since {{game|Emerald}}.<ref name="CoroCoro July">[[n:CoroCoro leaks for July 2014 issue revealed|Bulbanews: "CoroCoro leaks for July 2014 issue revealed"]]</ref> {{p|Feebas}} will resume a Contest-specific evolution method.<ref name="August Update">[[n:Official US Pokémon website updates with new ORAS trailer, details about new Mega Evolutions|Bulbanews: Official US Pokémon website updates with new ORAS trailer, details about new Mega Evolutions]]</ref> In addition, a number of features introduced in {{g|X and Y}} will also return, with [[Horde Encounter]]s and [[Mega Evolution]]s already confirmed to be part of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, with the Horde Encounter feature expanding into [[Horde Encounter|Trainer Horde Battle]]s. Over ten new [[Mega Evolution]]s debuted in this game, including Mega {{p|Sceptile}}, Mega {{p|Swampert}}, Mega {{p|Diancie}}, Mega {{p|Sableye}}, Mega {{p|Metagross}}, Mega {{p|Altaria}}, Mega {{p|Lopunny}}, Mega {{p|Salamence}}, Mega {{p|Slowbro}}, Mega {{p|Audino}}, Mega {{p|Camerupt}} and Mega {{p|Sharpedo}}. The [[PokéNav]] will be redesigned as the PokéNav Plus, a device appearing on the touch screen outside of battle. The [[PokéNav Plus]] has four main functions — [[DexNav]], which displays information about wild Pokémon available in the player's current location; {{DL|PokéNav Plus|AreaNav}}, a map used for navigation of location, Pokémon, Secret Bases and Berry Trees; {{DL|PokéNav Plus|BuzzNav}}, which reports on news from around the Hoenn region and from StreetPass; and {{DL|PokéNav Plus|PlayNav}}, which is used to connect to online play, local wireless play, [[Pokémon-Amie]] and [[Super Training]].

The August edition of ''CoroCoro'' magazine introduced [[Cosplay Pikachu]]. This special Pikachu is given to the player to use in Pokémon Contests. This Pikachu gets a unique costume to wear during Contests; each costume comes with a specific, special move: Pikachu Rock Star gets {{m|Meteor Mash}} (Coolness Contest); Pikachu, Ph.D gets {{m|Electric Terrain}} (Cleverness Contest); Pikachu Pop Star gets {{m|Draining Kiss}} (Cuteness Contest); Pikachu Belle gets {{m|Icicle Crash}} (Beauty Contest); Pikachu Libre gets {{m|Flying Press}} (Toughness Contest).

==Blurb==
Ancient Powers Reawaken!

Start your Pokémon adventure now! 
Behold the true Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}}! 
Pikachu likes to cosplay?! 
Build a Secret Base all your own!

==Changes from Ruby and Sapphire==
===Mechanics inherited from later generations===
The following elements from X and Y are also included in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
* [[Mega Evolution]]s and [[Mega Stone]]s, including a number of new Mega Evolutions and Mega Stones that did not exist in X and Y.
* The {{type|Fairy}} and the new neutral match-up {{t|Steel}} has to {{t|Ghost}} and {{t|Dark}}.
* [[Pokémon-Amie]] and [[Super Training]]
* [[Horde Encounter]]s
** Occasionally, five-versus-one Horde Battles can also occur with Trainers.
* [[Battle Resort]] and [[Battle Maison]] replace the Battle Tower.
* VS. Artwork or models are now used instead of sprites for Trainers and Gym Leaders.
* Stereoscopic 3D is incorporated, and in the same manner as in X and Y.
The mechanic of {{cat|Evolution-inducing locations}} originating in [[Generation IV]], for Pokémon that evolve {{DL|Methods of evolution|when trained in a certain area}}, is also incorporated in the games.
* [[Moss Rock]] appears in [[Petalburg Woods]] for {{p|Leafeon}}.
* [[Ice Rock]] appears on the final floor of [[Shoal Cave]] during low tide for {{p|Glaceon}}.
* [[New Mauville]] serves as the location with a magnetic field where {{p|Nosepass}} and {{p|Magneton}} can be evolved.
Other consequences of updates from later generations include:
* Nine new Pokémon have been added to the Hoenn Pokédex. These are all [[Generation IV]] Pokémon which evolve from or into previous Hoenn Pokémon.
* As {{m|Flash}} is no longer an HM, Brawly's Knuckle Badge is no longer required to use it.
* Physical and special moves are now determined by the move itself rather than type.
* [[Time]] flowing from day to night as it was since being reintroduced within [[Generation IV]].
* The addition of trainers with the {{tc|Backpacker}}, {{tc|Fairy Tale Girl}}, {{tc|Mysterious Sisters}}, {{tc|Brains & Brawn}} and {{tc|Ace Duo}} trainer classes.

===All new elements===
* Completely new characters, such as [[Aarune]], [[Lisia]], and [[Zinnia]], appear in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
* [[Cosplay Pikachu]] can be obtained. This is a special female Pikachu that is able to swap one of the moves it knows by changing its costume in [[Contest Hall]]s.
* Groudon and Kyogre are given [[Primal Reversion]] forms which are accessed by holding their respective [[colored orbs]]. As such the orbs are now regular items instead of key items.
* After the Groudon/Kyogre event, the player can use the {{key|VI|Eon Flute}} to [[soaring in the sky|soar]] the skies on {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}}, where Pokémon can be encountered and [[Mirage spot]]s found.
**While the trainer can battle certain Pokémon in the sky, this is not the same as the [[Sky Battle]] feature from X and Y as any Pokémon can be used, not just {{type|Flying}}s, or Pokémon with the {{a|Levitate}} ability.
*[[PokéNav Plus]] replaces [[PokéNav]], which works as a dual-screen feature. Other than retaining the Hoenn Map and Trainer's Eye features, it includes the dual-screen features from X and Y, the ability to encounter specific Pokémon, and tracking Berries or Secret Bases.
*After completing the Delta Episode, it becomes possible for the player to have both bikes after they talk to three specific people while riding on a bike to advertise the [[Rydel's Cycles|bike shop]].
*The player can now wear accessories such as the new Devon Scuba Gear to realistically show the player surviving underwater with a scuba mask, or the Go-Goggles. In addition the player also receives a Magma Suit{{sup/6|OR}}/Aqua Suit{{sup/6|AS}} which is not only used during the Primal Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} awakening cinematic scenes, but later serves as a space suit when confronting Deoxys during the Delta Episode.
*The introduction of the {{tc|Scuba Diver}} and {{tc|Free Diver}} trainer classes, trainers who battle the player underwater.

===Changes to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald elements===
====Aesthetic changes====
* The physical Hoenn Pokédex has been redesigned, now appearing similar to the original [[Game Boy Advance]] system.
* Brendan and May have completely different attires, with Brendan's brown hair and white hat being more obvious, while May has a bow instead of the bandana she originally wore.
* Team Magma and Team Aqua have been given new designs; Team Magma Admin Tabitha appears to be huskier and Courtney has purple hair instead of brown. The Team Aqua Admins have dark skin tones. Team Aqua Admin Shelly has black hair with accents of blue instead of red hair and Matt is more muscular.
* The Hoenn Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and other Trainers were redesigned with updated appearances.

====Location changes====
* The dark areas of [[Granite Cave]] now require the Mach Bike from Mauville City for the player to access, and are now optional.
* [[Mauville City]] has been completely redesigned into an indoor shopping complex and is dubbed the largest city in Hoenn, playing a similar role to [[Lumiose City]] from X and Y.
** The [[Mauville Game Corner]] has been closed down, as game corners are no longer included in Pokémon games since Generation V.
* The [[Abandoned Ship]] has been replaced by [[Sea Mauville]]. Its backstory has also been greatly expanded.
* [[Scorched Slab]] has been greatly expanded, encompassing four floors now. {{p|Heatran}} can be caught on the lowest floor after defeating or capturing Groudon/Kyogre.
* The number of puzzles in the [[Trick House]] is reduced from eight to six. Badges are also no longer required to start each puzzle, though some HM abilities from certain Badges are needed to navigate through certain puzzles.
* The {{gy|Dewford}} and [[Mossdeep Gym]]s have received complete redesigns, while the other six gyms have received minor redesigns.
* The interior of [[Mt. Pyre]] has been redesigned. On one hand it has been simplified, as the puzzle with holes in floors has been removed (both [[Incense]]s are now lying in the open), and the number of floors has been reduced from six to four. On the other hand, exploring it is now mandatory, as the doorway leading to the exterior has been relocated from the first floor to the third.
* The opening and closing door maze from New Mauville has been removed.
* [[Sky Pillar]] has been completely redesigned, and the Mach Bike puzzle has been removed.
* The [[Hoenn Safari Zone]] has been completely redesigned to where the player is more dependent on the bikes for traveling through the Safari Zone. The bikes are needed for accessing Area 3 and 4 (which can use either bike and not just one specific bike like before) and to access the long grass section in each area.
* A few new areas are added to [[Victory Road (Hoenn)|Victory Road]] that did not exist in Generation III. This also includes an area to where the player can face [[Wally]] instead of the main area of 1F where Wally was encountered in Generation III.

====Gameplay changes====
=====Mechanics=====
* Secret Bases have been completely upgraded, becoming Super Secret Bases. Features include sharing bases with other players, inviting other players as secret pals, capturing flags, and customizing the player's own Gym.
* [[Mirage spot]]s are added as an apparent evolution of the [[Mirage Island]] mechanic.
* [[Pokémon Contest]]s are now called Pokémon Contest Spectaculars
** The Beauty category has been renamed to Beautiful and Smart has been renamed to Clever.
** [[Pokéblock]]s and Pokéblock making have been heavily simplified, with Pokéblock making no longer requiring more than one player to perform successfully.
** The Sheen stat has been removed, meaning there is no longer a limit to how many Pokéblocks a player can give to their Pokémon, enabling Pokémon to have all of their Contests stats maxed out.
* The Safari Zone no longer requires that the player play the Safari Game. Instead, the Pokémon can be caught through normal encounters.
* Bikes are now capable of traveling through [[tall grass|long grass]].
* The player only needs one Badge instead of five to be able to rebattle the Trainers listed in the Trainer's Eye.
* The ability to search for hidden items underwater using the Dowsing Machine has been removed, as the Dowsing Machine is now worn as an accessory while in use. Hidden items still exist underwater, however.
*Similar to Emerald's Battle Frontier, BP can be earned to use as payment for moves learned from Move Tutors in the Battle Resort. Notably a number of these moves were formerly TMs during Generation III.
**Free Move Tutors are located in Mauville City, [[Meteor Falls]] (after the Delta Episode), and [[Sootopolis City]].
* Trainers that turn in place can now spot the player when they are turning if the player is directly north, south, east, or west of the Trainer.
*[[Mr. Briney]]'s boat is now capable of traveling between {{rt|104|Hoenn}} and {{rt|109|Hoenn}} without having to stop at [[Dewford Town]] first. Additionally if the player travels through [[Rusturf Tunnel]] to reach the other side, Mr. Briney would be found at that location allowing the player to use his boat without having to backtrack to the previous location.
**Because of the change on how the boat operates, {{rt|105|Hoenn}} and {{rt|108|Hoenn}} will not be counted as seen until the player returns there later after acquiring {{m|Surf}}.

=====Story=====
* {{Steven}}'s plot has been expanded to encompass a search for the secrets of the [[Mega Stone]]s.
* Steven can no longer be encountered in [[Granite Cave]] before defeating [[Brawly]], as a line of NPCs will block the path.
* In addition to his studies of how Pokémon behave in the wild, [[Professor Birch]] is also said to do research on Pokémon that left Hoenn after the region's climate changed. His new area of interest is brought up once more after the encounter with Groudon{{sup/6|OR}} or Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}}, when the departed species—mainly Pokémon that were introduced since Generation III—return to Hoenn.
* Relating to Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}} or Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}}...
** The correct [[colored orb]] to control Groudon{{sup/6|OR}} or Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} is stolen by Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}} or Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}}, instead of the opposite one, due to the new [[Primal Reversion]] plot.
** The opposite-gendered Team Admins now serve as version counterparts rather than the same gendered ones. In other words, [[Tabitha]] is now [[Shelly]]'s counterpart instead of {{FB|Aqua Admin|Matt}}'s, who is now {{FB|Magma Admin|Courtney}}'s counterpart.
** Instead of Team Magma/Aqua leaving [[Meteor Falls]] once they are found, Tabitha{{sup/6|OR}} or Shelly{{sup/6|AS}} and a Grunt instead challenge the player to a [[Multi Battle]] with {{ga|May}} or {{ga|Brendan}}.
** The motivation behind Team Magma/Aqua's visit to [[Mt. Chimney]] is changed.
** During the encounter with the team leaders at Mt. Pyre, Courtney{{sup/6|OR}} or Matt{{sup/6|AS}} challenges the player to a battle to help buy time so their leader can escape.
* The encounter with Steven on {{rt|118|Hoenn}} is now interrupted by a brief side mission where {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|OR}} or {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|AS}} takes Steven and the player to [[Southern Island]]. At the end of this mission, Steven gives the player the [[Key Stone|Mega Bracelet]].
** Latios{{sup/6|OR}} or Latias{{sup/6|AS}} now joins the player's party during their trip to Southern Island, instead of being a [[roaming Pokémon]] in the post-game. An [[Eon Ticket]] is still required to return to Southern Island and obtain the alternate Eon Pokémon.
* The New Mauville side quest, which originally started after defeating [[Norman]] and obtaining {{m|Surf}}, starts much later now, after the Groudon or Kyogre event.
* After defeating the Elite Four, the games feature the [[Delta Episode]]. Similar to Pokémon Emerald, Rayquaza plays a major role in this quest.
** The Meteorite plays a larger role in the game, particularly in the Delta Episode as a means for Rayquaza to Mega Evolve in the official storyline. Because of this, it can no longer be given to [[Professor Cozmo]] in return for {{TM|27|Return}} (though he does give the player {{TM|23|Smack Down}} for helping him at Meteor Falls). TM27 can still be found in [[Pacifidlog Town]].
** During the Delta Episode, Steven upgrades the [[PokéNav Plus]] in order to contact the player at certain points during the event. This is a homage to the Match Call feature from Pokémon Emerald.
** Similar to Pokémon Emerald, the [[Mossdeep Space Center]] is taken over during the events of the Delta Episode by Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}} or Team Aqua{{sup/6|AS}} and the player must team up with Steven to correct the situation, including a Multi Battle at the end.
*** Unlike the Multi Battle against Team Magma from Emerald, the player and Steven's opponents from Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}} are Courtney and a [[Team Magma Grunt]], instead of [[Maxie]] and Tabitha.
* In order to board the [[S.S. Tidal]] which would allow the player entry into the Battle Resort, the Delta Episode must be completed first.
* The player keeps both [[colored orbs]] after dealing with Groudon{{sup/6|OR}} or Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}}. The optional sidequest where the player accompanies the team leaders returning the orbs to [[Mt. Pyre]] and the team leaders apologizing for their actions has been omitted. They instead apologize at [[Sootopolis City]] when they give the player the Magma Suit{{sup/6|OR}}/Aqua Suit{{sup/6|AS}}.
* Certain gym leaders and Elite Four members can be found outside their gyms interacting with the world after the player has beaten the game.
* The battle against May or Brendan as the players' rival at [[Lilycove City]] is no longer optional. Instead of having the option of talking to them at the entrance of the [[Lilycove Department Store]], they now approach the player from the stairway near the Pokémon Center.

=====Pokémon team and battle changes=====
* A number of teams for Trainers that can be rematched through Trainer's Eye are different from the original Ruby and Sapphire. Others have been removed.
** The Roselia of {{tc|Pokémon Breeder}} Lydia from {{rt|117|Hoenn}} is now a Budew even before she is rematched.
* When the player faces May or Brendan as their rival in [[Lilycove City]], their Pokémon teams are fully evolved.
* {{p|Slugma}} takes {{p|Numel}}'s place in May or Brendan's original Ruby and Sapphire lineup if their starter is not Torchic.
* The Trainers found on [[Mt. Chimney]] that were encountered after defeating Team Aqua/Team Magma have been removed.
** {{tc|Expert}} Shelby has been moved from [[Mt. Chimney]] to [[Jagged Pass]].
* In Generation III the female administrators of Team Magma/Team Aqua, Courtney/Shelly were fought in the [[Seafloor Cavern]] before facing the team leader. This has been omitted in Generation VI, and as a result the player does not face against any administrators in this location.
* Brendan or May will also challenge the player after the credits have ended. In this battle, their starter can Mega Evolve.
* The Trainers within the {{ho|Victory Road}} now have Pokémon from the [[National Pokédex]] on their teams instead of just using Pokémon native to Hoenn.
* The Elite Four and Champion's initial lineups have changed somewhat, and when challenged in the post-game, they now have tougher teams, with higher levels, different movesets, and non-regional Pokémon on their teams, and including some [[Mega Evolution]]s.
* {{ga|Wally}}'s {{p|Ralts}} eventually evolves into {{p|Gallade}} instead of {{p|Gardevoir}}, and is able to Mega Evolve as Gallade.
* [[Steven Stone]]'s {{p|Metagross}} can now Mega Evolve.

=====Obtainable Pokémon=====
* In a few areas, the encounterable Pokémon have changed. Certain Water-type Pokémon are not found in all of the same areas they were in the original games, such as in [[Mossdeep City]], where {{p|Sharpedo}} was removed. A few evolved Pokémon such as {{p|Swellow}} or {{p|Wailord}} also can no longer be found in the wild. The Pokémon in the {{safari|Hoenn}} have also changed significantly.
* {{p|Feebas}} can now be found by fishing anywhere on {{rt|119|Hoenn}} instead of six random spots. However, it can still be found more easily by fishing directly underneath the bridge near the [[Weather Institute]] during the daytime.
* The Legendary Pokémon {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, {{p|Azelf}}, {{p|Palkia}}, {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Virizion}}, {{p|Terrakion}}, {{p|Cobalion}}, {{p|Reshiram}}, {{p|Zekrom}}, {{p|Kyurem}}, {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}}, {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, {{p|Landorus}}, and {{p|Cresselia}} are now obtainable in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Some are exclusive to one version and some may require special circumstances to unlock them.
* [[Deoxys]] is now catchable during the climax of the Delta Episode. It can also change its [[Form differences|forme]] freely via a meteorite in Professor Cozmo's house in [[Fallarbor Town]], as opposed to Generation III where its forme was dependent on the game it was in.
* {{p|Spiritomb}} may also be encountered through a special method in [[Sea Mauville]].
* Whereas in Emerald, [[Professor Birch]] would reward the player with their choice of a [[Johto]] {{pkmn2|starter}} in his lab upon completing the [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]], now, he will give it to the player when he is found on {{rt|101|Hoenn}} after first entering the Hall of Fame.
** After obtaining the Johto starter and completing the Delta Episode, the Professor will give the player an [[Unova]] starter, and after that, a [[Sinnoh]] starter if the player enters the Hall of Fame once more.
* Upon defeating or capturing {{p|Kyogre}}/{{p|Groudon}}, many Pokémon not available in [[Generation III]] become available as [[hidden Pokémon]].
* After defeating or capturing Kyogre/Groudon, the same elderly woman in [[Lavaridge Town]] to whom the player could receive a {{p|Wynaut}} egg from can now give out a second free Pokémon egg which contains a {{p|Togepi}}.

==Version-exclusive Pokémon==
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! {{color|FFF|Omega Ruby}}
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{{Moveentrytm|140|Kabuto|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|273|Seedot|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|274|Nuzleaf|2|Grass|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|275|Shiftry|2|Grass|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|2|Steel|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|335|Zangoose|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|410|Shieldon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|411|Bastiodon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|422|Shellos|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|423|Gastrodon|2|Water|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|484|Palkia|2|Water|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|538|Throh|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|566|Archen|2|Rock|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|567|Archeops|2|Rock|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|641|Tornadus|1|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|690|Skrelp|2|Poison|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|691|Dragalge|2|Poison|Dragon}}

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! {{color|FFF|Alpha Sapphire}}
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{{Moveentrytm|138|Omanyte|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|139|Omastar|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|249|Lugia|2|Psychic|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|270|Lotad|2|Water|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|271|Lombre|2|Water|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|272|Ludicolo|2|Water|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|302|Sableye|2|Dark|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|336|Seviper|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|382|Kyogre|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|408|Cranidos|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|409|Rampardos|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|422|Shellos|1|Water|||East}}
{{Moveentrytm|423|Gastrodon|2|Water|Ground||East}}
{{Moveentrytm|483|Dialga|2|Steel|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|539|Sawk|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|564|Tirtouga|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|565|Carracosta|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|642|Thundurus|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|644|Zekrom|2|Dragon|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|692|Clauncher|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|693|Clawitzer|1|Water}}
|}
|}
|}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon Omega Ruby & Pokémon Alpha Sapphire: Super Music Collection}}

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}

==Version history==
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! style="background: #{{x color light}}; text-align:center" | Release date
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| style="text-align:center" | 1.0
| style="text-align:center" | {{tt|November 21, 2014|Japan, North America, Australia, and South Korea}} {{tt|November 24, 2014|Europe}}
| N/A
| Initial release
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.1
| style="text-align:center" | November 25, 2014
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* ''Adjustments have been made to make for a more fun gaming experience.''
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|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.2
| style="text-align:center" | December 3, 2014
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* ''Fixed the issue in which the game freezes during the end credits after entering the Hall of Fame in certain game data.''
| Fix for the [[List of glitches in Generation VI#Hall of Fame freeze|Hall of Fame freeze]].
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* ''Adjustments have been made for an improved gaming experience.''
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* ''Introduces additional enhancements to improve the user’s experience and enjoyment.''
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==Compatibility==
Like Pokémon X and Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire can connect with the [[Pokémon Bank]], [[Poké Transporter]], and the [[Pokémon Global Link]] website. They are mostly compatible with {{g|X and Y}}, with the exception of alternate forms, Mega Evolutions, moves, or Abilities introduced in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, which cannot be traded to or used in battle with X and Y.

==Beta elements==
{{main|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire beta}}

==Reception==
Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} gave Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire a score of 37 out of 40, scoring two points fewer than X and Y and three points more than Ruby and Sapphire.

Within the first three days of release for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, over 3 million copies were sold in Japan, North America, and Australia.<ref>[http://myinforms.com/en-us/a/8093870-pokemon-omega-rubyalpha-sapphire-sell-3-million/ Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire Sell 3 Million]</ref> Later when released in Europe, it came in at numbers 6 and 7 of the top ten video game sales chart for that week, also earning enough sales from both games into becoming the current candidate for the largest game launch of the Pokémon series in the region, beating out {{game|Black and White|s}}, which previously held this record.<ref>[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-01-omega-ruby-and-alpha-sapphire-uks-biggest-pokemon-launch-ever Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire UK's biggest Pokémon launch ever]</ref> In the fiscal year of their release, they sold 9.94 million units.<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/150507e.pdf Consolidated Results for the Years Ended March 31, 2014 and 2015]</ref>

IGN rated the games an "Good" 7.8/10<ref>http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/18/pokemon-alpha-sapphire-and-omega-ruby-review</ref>, 1.2 points fewer than Pokémon X and Y, criticizing the excessive amount of water and [[HM]]s. Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire hold a rating of 83.79%<ref>http://www.gamerankings.com/3ds/792673-pokemon-omega-ruby/index.html</ref> and 82.73%<ref>http://www.gamerankings.com/3ds/792672-pokemon-alpha-sapphire/index.html</ref>, respectively, on {{wp|Game Rankings}}.

==Gallery==
<gallery perrow=6>
Pokémon Omega Ruby JP logo.png|Japanese Omega Ruby logo
Pokémon Alpha Sapphire JP logo.png|Japanese Alpha Sapphire logo
Pokémon Omega Ruby EN logo.png|English Omega Ruby logo
Pokémon Alpha Sapphire EN logo.png|English Alpha Sapphire logo
Pokemon OR 3DS icon.png|Omega Ruby Home Menu icon{{tt|*|also used for the Miiverse community}}
Pokemon AS 3DS icon.png|Alpha Sapphire Home Menu icon
Omega Ruby UK boxart.png|Pokémon Omega Ruby UK boxart
Alpha Sapphire UK boxart.png|Pokémon Alpha Sapphire UK boxart
Omega Ruby KO boxart.png|Pokémon Omega Ruby Korean boxart
Alpha Sapphire KO boxart.png|Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Korean boxart

</gallery>

==Trivia==
* In all territories except Europe, these games were released on the twelfth anniversary of the Japanese release of Ruby and Sapphire.
* These are the only pair of [[remake]]s where:
** The games's names are not written as {{wp|Compound (linguistics)|compound words}}.
** There are no [[location preview]]s.
** All methods of evolutions that were introduced after the original games are possible. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, {{cat|Pokémon that evolve based on time}} cannot evolve because there is no [[time]] of day clock, while in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, {{cat|Pokémon that evolve by training in a certain location}} cannot evolve because none of those areas are in those games.
** Pokémon from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|the original games}} can be transferred to the remakes.
** An accessory is not bundled with the games.
** The game does not include any HMs that were introduced after the generation of the original games.
** No new protagonists are introduced.
** The Pokémon introduced after {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} (with the exception of {{p|Hoopa}}) recycle their [[Pokédex]] descriptions from [[Pokémon X and Y|the generation's main pair of games]] instead of receiving unique ones.
** The sprites of Pokémon obtainable in-game (or, in this case, their 3D models and animations) are recycled from the generation's main pair of games instead of being changed to something different.
** The Pokédex entries of certain Pokémon were changed entirely from the original games.
** New held items and moves were introduced that were not in the generation's main pair of games.
* These Pokémon games currently offer the greatest number of unique in-game:
** [[Starter Pokémon]], with four (1 from Hoenn, 1 from [[Johto]], 1 from [[Sinnoh]] and 1 from [[Unova]]), exceeding the three offered in numerous games before. This excludes the [[Friend Safari]], where the player can potentially obtain all 6 [[Kanto]] and [[Kalos]] starter Pokémon.
** [[Legendary Pokémon]] with a total of 32 between both games.

==In other languages==
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|ja=ポケットモンスターオメガルビー・アルファサファイア
|fr_eu=Pokémon Rubis Oméga et Saphir Alpha
|de=Pokémon Omega Rubin und Alpha Saphir
|it=Pokémon Rubino Omega e Zaffiro Alpha
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 오메가루비·알파사파이어|Pocket Monsters Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|es_eu=Pokémon Rubí Omega y Zafiro Alfa}}

==See also==
{{bulbanews|game}}
*[[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Special Demo Version]]
*{{Appendix|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire walkthrough}}

==References==
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{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|*]]
[[Category:Nintendo 3DS games]]

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User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2015-12-31T10:04:54Z

Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}
== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Also, nice job on comletely ignoring my point on how my removal was uncontroversial for 5 months before you started your paranoid hunt for "4chan trolls". [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Just so you are aware, I'm not saying that you are a troll, just that your edits were influenced by trolls. You removed the trivia because people (trolls) were laughing at us, not that you yourself think that the trivia was not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm tired of being insulted by a paranoid junior admin. Your attempts to smear my criticism as the work of trolls is nauseating. From now on I'll be talking only with your superiors regarding edits to the trivia sections. I no longer intend to talk with you without you apologizing first. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 10:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2015-12-31T09:52:05Z

Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}
== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Also, nice job on comletely ignoring my point on how my removal was uncontroversial for 5 months before you started your paranoid hunt for "4chan trolls". [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Tempest370

2015-12-31T09:49:06Z

Tempest370: /* Gen VI Trivia */

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== Edit warring ==

If someone undoes your edit, repeatedly remaking that edit in sknown as edit warring. Edit warring is not allowed, and is a blockable offense. Instead of remaking the edit, bring it up on the talk page for discussion. Thanks. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Proof? ==

At least give proof before undoing my edit on the Abandoned Ship. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:Check your PM inbox at BMGf [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] 09:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Preview Button ==

Please use the preview button more often. It helps to keep the Recent Changes clean, reduces server stress, and its a rule. It's the button right next to the "save page" button, so check it out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:Reminder: Use the preview button. If you are editing multiple sections, you should also use the edit tab way up above the title to edit the whole page at once, rather than making a large number of edits because you're editing all twenty six sections individually. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Gen VI Trivia ==

Firstly, that trivia is notable, even if one of them is blatantly obvious. Secondly, you're attitude is very rude, don't mock the site or other users just because you don't think something is notable. If there are people out their "laughing" at us, so let them. Don't use the views of random trolls on {{tt|the net|4Chan}} as justification of your edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's not just "random 4chan trolls" that think Bulbapedia's policy (or lack of it) on trivia is absurd. It was parodied and laughed at 5 years ago, and it continues to be a problem to this day. I tried to remove this one case of a stupid letter counting 'trivia' more politely, only to get reverted by some junior admin who pretty much argued that all trivia is shit and thus we should keep even the shittiest one's. There's no hope for this site to ever get a proper policy on trivia. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:15, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::[[User:Force Fire/Trivia Policy]] is something that's been in the works since a while back. It's not official policy, but it's something. Just because someone laughed at the trivia doesn't mean it's not notable. If you think letter counting is "shit", then you'd remove the trivia about Muk and Mew having the shortest names. I bet you that there are plenty of trolls out there laughing at that trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::'There's worse stuff' is a terrible argument [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::: That's not my point. My point was that we have similar trivia on other pages (the aforementioned Muk and Mew trivia).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::"We have the same bad stuff in other places" is your point? OK then. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:49, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2015-12-31T09:47:53Z

Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}
== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2015-12-31T09:47:41Z

Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me.

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Tempest370: /* Reverting out of spite? */ new section

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being s low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)