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== Say... ==

...did you, like, forget to add a link to your archive? *GASP* Fräulein Kogoro...MADE A MISTAKE? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:No, I'm still fixing the archive up. Have some patience ;) - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::*grumbles* (i should have known better, admins never make mistakes) '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Admins do make mistakes, but then we make new policies that render the mistakes null and void. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== It's my fault ==

Sorry Kogoro, I guess that TCG conversation got out of hand. It's My fault you got archived.♥ [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 13:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Also Kogoro, that card we talked about Dratini, I uploaded it to the archives can u check it out see if it's in good condition. [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 13:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC) DratiniUnknown46 [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 13:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Never Mind, I did it myself. Thanks [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 14:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, the image could be worse, but try to get all of the card without cutting out the edges, please. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It looks that bad :( [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 14:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We typically want all the border, other than that, your images are great!. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 15:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! :) [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 15:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== MAY I? ==

Hey, Kogoro, I KNOW this will seem like talk page spam, but I don't wanna be a jerk for stealing your opening template, so... MAY I USE IT FOR MY PAGE?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 05:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah go ahead, just give credit where credit is due, or just follow the steps that I put on {{u|Kogoro/Template|the template page}} (I assume you meant that one). - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 05:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'll give credit to you, for sure, though i was thinking of the first big one the page that also shows your custom trainer sprite. To be more specific, it also shows some user tags and says that you don't need to archive your talk page. Though, I'll have to alter it to be for me, huh? Anyway, thanks!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 05:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah, yea, go right ahead with that one. Just mod it to work for yourself (the bordering can be found at {{u|Kogoro/Template/TOC|here}} The inner stuff is hard coded on my userpage. And yeah, for credit just a hidden or {{template|tt}} comment works. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 06:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I got that already, but thanks for the reminder.--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 06:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Although I can't seem to make it work {{tt|for me|You are definitely good at the coding... I'm just around average... when I got further than the avatar, the template constantly looked messed up on preview...}}, thanks for letting me use it... even though I can't put it my way.--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 22:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Just wait? ==

Well, in my part it is right not to conclude but few clues were left like the eyes in the preview and the latest movie poster of Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime, that is where we can see a Staraptor in there.
Hmm… Just telling my side. {{unsigned|Gaspershut}}

== ... ==

Since we're talking about these {{tt|fancy terms|not really...}} with bureaucrats, I was looking through preferences, and I saw autoconfirmed users and users under my listing. I read the category info, and I'm wondering, are all users both by default? What determines it? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Users is the default. Autoconfirmed users is added automatically after 4 days of being a user. (However, this can be changed if the need happens to arise) - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 05:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pstt ==

Currently having AIM Fail. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== User Templates; Dog and Cat. ==

If I ''looked correctly'' you deleted both the '''User Dog''' and the '''User Cat''' templates. Why? I had one of them on my userlookup? [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 15:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:<code>User Dog</code> and <code>User Cat</code> are all merged into {{template|User Pet}} now. You can just add that to your page and use the variable to switch it to the one you wanted.
:I've gone ahead and fixed it for you. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I apologize for my 'accusation' or whatever. Thanks. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry xD ==

Haha! sorry, i am doing my best =) {{unsigned|Pao27}}
:It's great that you're trying to help, but please check out all of Bulbapedia's [[:Category:Bulbapedia policies|Policies]] before contributing, as they will make your stay here quite easier and more enjoyable. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 01:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Just for future reference... ==

All the the TCG sprites that I've suggested for deletion are ALL going to be the results of Duplication because there are misspellings.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Kusanagi87}} ([[User talk:Kusanagi87|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kusanagi87|contribs]]) ''
:I meant this for the summary section. [[User:Kusanagi87|Kusanagi87]] 17:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I noticed the reason you were re-uploading & tagging the mistakes. The reasons just keep it easier for others to know why the image was removed/replaced. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 17:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright. Thanks. {{unsigned|Kusanagi87}}

== ''Please Answer'' ==

Why were you so mean to him? All he did was try to erase some comments he may not have thought were nice. Were y’all mean to him because he was new, too? ♥[[User:Lapras|Lapras]] 23:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:I wasn't mean, I was upholding {{bp|Talk page|'''policy'''}} because as a {{bp|Bureaucrats|Bureaucrat}} it is my job to do so. Also, on the note of policies... Please remember to sign your comments ''when you make them, not minutes later''... - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Apologetic, yet Interrogative – ''Please Answer Soon'' ==

But you’re still not answering my question. All I want to know is why we can’t delete comments that users have made. What’s the point? They’re '''''our''''' Talk Pages. Shouldn’t ''we'' be able to use them how ''we'' want to?

♥[[User:Lapras|Lapras]] 22:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC) (Sorry about signing late last time, by the way)

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Lapras /\Talk/\To/\Me!/\]

== Hi... ==

I was wondering if you could help me out with something. The article [[Serebii.net forums]] has been under strict protection since 2005. It serves little purpose, and any information it contains could easily be merged into the [[Serebii.net]] article. I was wondering if you could help by deleting the article because of your admin status.

Thanks [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 22:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:Merged what was even useful, and redirected to [[Serebii.net]]. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Concerning anti-gunjump measures for the dub... ==

Setting protection to expire at around 10:00 UTC (the standard time for Japanese-based anti-gunjump measures) for a dub-based anti-gunjump measure is just begging for gun-jumpers to take advantage of a {{tt|three|Or four, depending on whether it's daylight savings time or standard time}}-hour window. The dub episodes premiere at 9:00 AM Eastern, which corresponds to 13:00 UTC during DST and 14:00 UTC when DST is not in effect. I've already adjusted the protections for [[DP101]] to fit with the dub airtime, but keep this in mind for the future. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:I was matching the time placed on {{an|Jun}}, that was there at the time. Please note I don't get Cartoon Network, as I am not an American, and don't keep track of stations I do not have any ability to watch. The initial mistake was not mine, as I can see you have noticed and acted upon. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 05:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Archives ==

I noticed a few efficient changes you made to the Archives--I haven't had time to make any new/recent contribs, et al--But I would like to help clean up the Archives a bit. How do I go about getting sufficiently privileged to help with the organization?
[[User:Kusanagi87|Kusanagi87]] 22:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
:#Work hard.
:#Work '''''really''''' hard.
:#Do '''''really''''' good work.
:#Don't edit the userspace on ''any'' Bulbawiki too much.
:#Don't ask how to get privileges/user rights.
:And yeah... Just show that you deserve it, without asking about it. It's not going to happen overnight, but if you can prove yourself to the Editorial Board, it may happen eventually. There are still things you can do as a regular user though. There's a lot of images that need replacing due to quality standards, that would be a great place to start helping out :D - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 22:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:I believe we have a lot of images that are uncategorized as well; if you find an image category that doesn't seem to have every image in it, that's definitely something we could use help on in the Archives. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 22:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::Do I need to get certain categories approved before I go about creating them? I was thinking the archives should have file naming standards. It is a noticeable pain in the ass to get proper results from image searches; as people put irrelevant info in the summary or give bad nomenclature for the actual file name. It would be infinitely easier to categorize images if they turned up easier/accurately on searches. Furthermore, if there were stricter rules for how people upload, the chaotic shit storm that is the Archives can be controlled NOW. Just random thoughts, BTW. Also, I could care less about any admin status/privileges--there were just some actions that I wanted to take within the archives that I wanted to initiate that were inhibited due to the lack of higher clearance(s). [[User:Kusanagi87|Kusanagi87]] 04:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:::If there is something you cannot do on the forums, leave a message on the appropriate talk page and an administrator will get onto it. And as for the standard file names, that is a work in progress. Categories should be generally straight forward, but it may be best to check with [[a:User talk:Maverick Nate|Maverick Nate]] before doing that, as he is the "boss" over there. For list of all categories, see [[a:Special:Categories]]. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

===Edit-waring===
I am sorry that I caused a lot of strife over this, it's just that it seemed wrong for someone to remove that piece of trivia in the first place just because said user didn't agree with it. My entire argument was "That my be your opinion and that's alright, but it's not everyone's view so it should stay." I realise how ironic that sounds, but I still stand for this. Sorry for being a bother! [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 15:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Show Hide==
I'v been wondering how to show hide stuff, if you would't mind telling me i'd like to know.[[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 18:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:Just use:

<code>{| width="100%" class="expandable"</code> 
<code>|</code> 
<code>Title for the expandable section should go here.</code> 
<code>|-</code> 
<code>|</code> 
<code>The content you want to be show/hide should then go here</code> 
<code>|}</code>

:You might have to play with it a little depending on what you're trying to show/hide. Usually if it's already a coded table (like the Welcome that is put on everyone's talk page) you can usually just add <code>class="expandable"</code> to the table's head code and it will become expandable. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hello! ==

I am sorry for spamming and deleting people's stuff...
--[[User:Pokedex101|Pokedex101]] 20:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== I'm new here... ==

and my sig won't work. It comes out like this. --[[User:Alpha Totodile|'''User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Totodile]]''']] 21:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:Go to your Preferences and click on raw signatures that'll fix it.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Didn't work. It said "Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags." I know nothing about HTML...--[[User:Alpha Totodile|'''User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Totodile]]''']] 22:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Totodile]]''' </nowiki> Copy this please.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, I know there is something wrong here. IT '''STILL''' DOESN'T WORK. --[[User:Alpha Totodile|'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Totodile]]''']] 22:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
::Did you have the raw signature box checked?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes... {{unsigned|Alpha Totodile}}
:Ok <nowiki>[[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']]</nowiki> Try this one and tell me.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid it's not helping... --[[User:Alpha Totodile|[[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']]<]] 23:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

No Response?
Help me Kogoro...{{unsigned|Alpha Totodile}}
:You're using >, not >. DO THIS! '''Alpha''''''Totodile'''
:DERP. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry... ==

...If I caused any trouble or took up too much space. My deepest apologies. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 01:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

== Re: List of Pokémon by base stats ==

Sorry about that. I should've checked the results. <del>On an unrelated note, I feel a bit deterred and hurt by your sarcastic quotes... I didn't mean to do any harm.</del> [[User:Mortal|Mortal]] 19:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:After reading your talk-page, I take the now stricken-out back. [[User:Mortal|Mortal]] 19:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hey, Kogoro. Can we... um... be friends? ==

Kogoro, your page looks awesome, so i'd like to ask you something: (1.) how can i make my page look black and gray with white text, and (2.) how do i put images in my signature? And i wanna know if we can be friends, too. You seem real nice. And you have a lot of style. {{Template:unsigned|Jbtm}}

I was going to ask the same thing. Again, apologies for causing so much trouble (and for accidently spamming, blame it on my impatience:P). I want to be friends. Oh, and Jbtm, sign your comments. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 22:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
:Alpha, Jbtm is blocked... He was a sockpuppet of a user blocked for insubordination, so telling him to sign his messages is kinda pointless. ^_^; On the mention of friends. The best way to become ''my'' friend (and likely the friend of any other {{bp|administrator}}), is to make many many many constructive edits. As long as you're a good contributor, don't abuse the <code>user:</code>, <code>user talk:</code>, or any other namespaces, you will be on my good-side. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. It's nice to know I can make some friends here. ^_^ I for the record '''HATE''' my life at school (probably being bullied around just for liking Pokémon). So is my apology accepted? BTW, {{u|MAGNEDETH}} has a notability vote page up right now. Your opinion in particular {{u|MAGNEDETH/Notability|would be great}}. And I'm going to let you in on a {{tt|secret|which everyone can read, so it's not really a secret:/}} - I'm {{tt|--------|bisexual.}} In a conservative environment like Arkansas, that's not a good thing. I'm probably the only person in the entire state that isn't homophobic. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 02:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] ==

I finally saw the edit history. How did I mess the table up? I took a look at the old edit and saw nothing wrong with it. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 22:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:When you moved the Speed EVs to the end of the stats, you actually broke {{tt|some|quite a few}} entries with the EVs being under the wrong Stat. The table will be replaced with easier to use entry templates soon enough. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 22:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, so that's why it's protected... I thought by "messed the table up", you meant I did something wrong with how the table was supposed to look. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 23:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Updates ==

Sorry, I forgot to preview quite a few times. ''--'''☆'''[[User:Qliks|'''Qliks''']][[User talk:Qliks|'''Talk''']]'''☆'''''

== Eeveelutions Image ==

I noticed that you uploaded the Eeveelutions image. Since you are the 'author' is it ok if I upload it and use it on Wikipedia? [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 18:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:I'd really rather you not. It would be better if you obtained the official stock art yourself, then put them together for that. Sorry, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 01:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Comments ==

Oops, didn't think the Welcome post was something you were supposed to keep. My bad. --''[[User talk:Qliks|'''☆''']][[User:Qliks|'''Qliks''']][[User talk:Qliks|'''Talk''']][[User:Qliks|'''☆''']]'' 20:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Your userspace ==

How do I make my page blue with black borders? [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 18:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== I disagree with [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Nominations_for_administratorship&diff=739084&oldid=739083 this rationale] ==

Shouldn't it be "As long as there are no problems with disruptive edits (either actual edits or damage control), pages don't need protection"? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:It's protected because it doesn't need to be edited.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 08:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Nominations_for_administratorship&diff=prev&oldid=739083 That obviously wasn't the case in the last few hours.] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::If it wasn't protected, what will you edit on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Hardly the point. There's no evidence that vandalism is a problem on that page, and if there is a sudden wave of vandalism, that page isn't high-profile enough to be a cause for preemptive concern (since it's not high-profile at all). --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Raijinili, did you not notice that before that, {{u|TTEchidna}} protected it with the rationale of "'''''Until we decide to bring these back. Which will likely be sometime soon after PtUS is announced.'''''". Since they are not being opened for now, the protection is now indefinite. There is no need for anyone who is not an admin to edit the page until we decide to re-open them. Quit complaining. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 08:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't talk to me as if I was ignorant about the suspension of the process when the only reason you remembered this page was because I updated the page indicating the suspension of the process.
::::And while you can say "I can see no need for a non-admin to edit the page at this time", I can say "There is no need whatsoever to lock the page other than the fact that no one can ''see'' a need to not lock it." --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Why are you making a big deal out of it anyway, it's protect, who cares.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 08:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Raijinili, please don't edit above another comment.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Despite my red ink, I'm not a newbie, Clarky. If you're going to claim I'm doing something wrong, show me where it says it's wrong. That's a thread style: to edit, indented, under the person you're responding to, with one more indent than the comment (even if it's the same level as another's response to the same comment). It's the way most naturally suited to a wiki, since quotes are cumbersome and responses can be read right underneath what they're responding to.
:::::::Force Fire: I'm "making a big deal about it" because this seems to me to be an indication that there's a consensus to lock when it's not necessary either way. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:Um.... I think you've completely missed the point here, Raiji. While it is an unwritten policy to protect most Bulbapedia-space pages from normal editing (as they are mostly based on the ''administration'' of the wiki), you appear to be complaining about the point that you've helped us out by pointing out something we've forgotten. Wowza! Yay! Kudos to you! So please please please stop making a fuss about all of this. You say you aren't a new user, yet you clearly haven't been here long enough to pick up on some of the more subtle intricacies of the management here. I have only one thing to say to you, passed down from the Echidna to me, and now to you: LURK MOAR. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mail&diff=prev&oldid=93477 My first edit] is over a year before [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MAGNEDETH/new_evolutions&diff=prev&oldid=337544 yours], if you want to talk about how long people have been here. Would you like to try my [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=500&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Raijinili&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 number of mainspace contributions] instead? Either way, it's an ad hominem argument, and you haven't actually addressed my point: There's no reason to lock topics not in danger of vandalism and which wouldn't harm the Wiki much even if they were vandalized. "It's the way we've been doing it" is as good a reason for this as it is for, say... y'know, there are just way too many ways that sentence can end, it's ridiculous.
::And I stated why I'm doing this: because it indicates a trend of unnecessary preemptive locking. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 12:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::What reason is there to NOT have it protected? Any edits made to the page by anyone other then an administrator would either be spelling corrections (which aren't currently needed), or redlink fixing (which also isn't currently needed). The only time it will be updated will be when administration decides to re-open nominations, and as such, only an administrator should be editing the page. With the page protected, this makes it impossible for anyone to make a mistake.
:::Just to make it perfectly clear, we are discussing whither or not a ''currently unused'' page should be protected from edits. That is, a page that needs no editing currently, and further, ''should not'' be edited currently. If you ''still'' see a reason why this needs to be unprotected, then by all means, let us know. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 16:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::The preemptive locking ensures that the page can not be vandalized or changed in anyway. We dont want people to go and vote for old nominations, or continue discussions there. We dont want people changing the policies of the site. and why would they need to be unlocked? why do you need to edit a page thats official policy, or a nomination from months ago? And BTW, when you first edited doesnt mean crap. The Quality of your edits does{{tt|.|and mine are awful}}[[User:DCM]] 16:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Jio: I can accept "mistakes" as a reason.
::::DCM: Pay attention. Trom specifically challenged me about my newness. You're taking the "first edit" links out of context. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::As a page within the Bulbapedia: namespace, it's not a page in need of updates or fixing from anyone other then Bulbapedia staff. The admins here are more then capable of fixing mistakes themselves.
:::::The nominations page falls into the same category as our policies and guidelines (one could say the nominations page is a "nominations policy"), and as a general rule, those pages are all protected just to be completely safe. The nominations page only needs to be open to edits when nominations are open, and currently, they're not. So the page will remain protected. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 17:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== Party page design ==

Can I use it for my party page? (That said, I don't have one up yet, I just thought I'd ask you right now. And I want it to be blue with teal text, but I don't know a whole lot of wikicode.) [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']] [[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 21:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== TTE... ==

Do you know what's happened to him like wy he protected his talk page? I have some stuff I need to talk to him about so do you know how I could contact him?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 17:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, not sure why he protected it for a week, but he must have his reasons for it. If it's of dire importance and you really need to contact him, you can either send him a PM on the forums or use the convenient "E-mail this user" link that appears on the side-bar when you go to his userpage or his talk page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 17:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Broken SVGs? ==

(Not sure who to ask for this, so if you could point me in the right direction, that'd be great. ^_^)
I've traced a number of TCG expansion symbols in Illustrator, and was thinking of uploading them all as SVGs, which is sort of like what Wikipedia likes to do for this kind of thing, except that the image previews turn out broken, making them useless in every practical sense. I don't know if this is a Wikia issue or what, but is it possible to fix? --''[[User:Alamedyang|Alamedyang]] ([[User talk:Alamedyang|talk]])'' 15:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
:SVGs don't work with the Bulbawikis. I'm not exactly sure why, but I think it is due to an extension not being installed, or something to that degree. So, as far as I know, it has nothing to do with Wikia, or Wikipedia. Also, what do you mean by "traced a number of TCG expansion symbols"? If the images aren't official release, I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be used in articles unless they're set symbols we don't have any way of obtaining. I'd suggest talking to {{ut|Maverick Nate|Maverick Nate}} about your images and see if he wants them to use, if he does, you would need to upload them in PNG format. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. What I meant by "traced" is that I took a huge scan of a card, like at 600 DPI, and very carefully traced a vector version of the expansion symbol. I dunno. I just thought vector > bitmap for stuff like this. But I'll talk to Maverick Nate. Thanks for your help! :) --''[[User:Alamedyang|Alamedyang]] ([[User talk:Alamedyang|talk]])'' 16:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==RE: Hi==
I know, everytime I finally got it done I forgot something else. [[User:StarmieStaryu13|StarmieStaryu13]] 30 April 2009 18:09

== Party page design ==

I'm finally going to put one up. I'll ask you again: Can I use your design (with blue boxes and turquoise text?) --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 20:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

*Um, I, too, would like to borrow the userpage design, with some many tweaks, of course. -[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 9:43 PM (Alaskan Time)
::If you both want to use whichever of my userpage templates, have fun with them. Just give credit to where you got it from, and don't edit the userspace too much when modifying & using them. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 07:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Oh! Thank you very much! I shall make sure to credit you! -[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 3:37 AM (Alaskan Time)
::::Thanks! I'll remember to credit you for the design too. (Damn you are good at the wikicode.)--'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 23:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Before I work on that page, though, I have a little problem. I'm trying to use the template {{u|Kogoro/Template|here}} (with some modifications of course), but I'm not getting the result I want... In fact, I'm not getting a template. I'm just getting a piece of bold text that reads '''User:Alpha Totodile/Template''' or something like that. I don't know how to fix this. Oh... wait. I need to ask your permission before even trying to use it. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 11:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I have no issues with you using it, just remember to give the credit to where you got it. If you do have issues, perhaps save the page, then ask me to try and fix them? I can't fix something that I can't see & work with. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I've saved it, now can I ask you a favor and fix it? Go {{u|Alpha Totodile/Template|here}}. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 22:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I see what you were doing now. Just by putting <code><nowiki>{{User:Alpha Totodile/Template|etc.}}</nowiki></code> into the page won't work. That's why you got the big bold "'''User:Alpha Totodile/Template'''". You needed to take the code from {{u|Kogoro/Template|my template}}, then modify the colors as you wanted, and add the links to the links bar. I hope that it's the way you wanted it now. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you so much! I'll wait until tomorrow to add the {{u|Alpha Totodile/Nominations for Adminship|AT:NFA}} subpage and work on the party page, since I've done my four userspace edits today. BTW, have you heard that {{u|electAbuzzzz}} returned? --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 23:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello!! xD I guess I ''don't'' have to ask you anymor{{tt|e|though I feel like I should}} since you have already given the permission to use things you've done, so... Well I'm only letting you know I'll use a lot of your stuff and '''of course''' I'll credit you xD You're kinda one of my heroes, too. (If you're wondering, don't, it's just a phrase few would understand, anyway) Thanks!! :P I know we shouldn't bug administrators much, that's why I'm only telling you, you don't need to reply ;D [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 01:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== My Bad ==

I edited a lot because when I last saved, I forgot the add something else in. {{unsigned|Bibarel6}}

== Hey... ==

hey thanks....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock ==

So yeah. For the unblock that you just did, thanks. It kinda blocked me too... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who asked for the unblock, thanks. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 19:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::Because I'm now confused by something else, I'll stop talking so I don't make a fool of myself. Again. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Madness combat ==

Obviously ngl's all angry now. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 20:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Deleted. On his mood, we shall see how he acts, if he does something overly bad, I'll reprimand him. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I left a message on his talk page telling him not do create pages like that again. Just so you know. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 21:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

...created Template:Zukan. Might want to take a look. Are titles appropriate enough? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that template looks much better than the tower of partial links that were there before. You seemed to have an unneeded set of moz borders on the Hoenn Series, I removed those, but everything else looks good. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 01:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::I see. What are you talking about anyway? As in the moz borders... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Rounded corners. Compare the original, and my edit, and you should notice misplaced rounded corners on the original. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 02:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:HGSS.PNG|right|thumb]]
::::Got it.
::::New thing. See right. Found from Famitsu. Like it? Make transparent, and all should be happy. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::If possible don't. We might end up with something people might think is a beta sprite, like Tavis's Skymin sprite. Keep the scan though just in case. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, the image itself is JPG format, and has really bad artifacts. If there was a better image of the magazine scan, we might be able to make it transparent for use when we know if it's either a beta or a full-use sprite. But, cause of the problems with the image, there's not much I can do that will make it remotely sprite-like, sorry. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 08:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's the actual, but I made it so it's PNG format. See the same pic. Change. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Image is still far too fuzzy and low-quality to use for a sprite, magazine scans aren't the greatest things to try and pull sprites from. We have to wait for proper sprite quality images and we probably won't see anything like those, barring fakes, {{tt|until close to|ROM leak, or proper-sized & quality official screenshots}}, or after, the release of the games in Japan. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 04:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Do i?? ==

Di i edit my user:space too much?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 02:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:14 userspace edits in one day is quite a bit, so yes, you did edit too much on the 12th. I suggest taking some time away from the userspace and the multiple talk namespaces, and focus on trying to contribute to the mainspace. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 02:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== 145? ==
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang...
I would like to edit the mainspace more, but I don't know where to start... [[User:PokemonTrainer7738|PokemonTrainer7738]] 16:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Well, a great place to find some things that need work is right [[Template:Main Page/Ongoing work|on this page]]. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Re:Hi ==

I do that but im trying to get it like my runescape one and im not really good at mainspace edits im only good at little ones (like trivia) also i do take small breaks from wikis to get my other ones better (im in quite a few and not even the main one) and i cant even get my sig to work (Gah) [[User:Man Tag1|[[File:Spr 4p 487O s.png]][[User:Man_Tag1|Dragon Ghost Man]] [[User_talk:Man_Tag1|(Talk)]][[File:Spr 2s 025.png]]]] 08:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC) (See raw sig won't work)
*Anyway im done my userpage edits for like 4 days or more oh and im a quick typer [[User:Man_Tag1|Dragon Ghost Man]]

== RE: Talk Page ==

I want to change my talk page just like TTEchidna, I mean so that it looks like it, but I'm a little bit of a starter at beginning a new article... I will be happy if you will help me. Will you? Oh, yeah. If you don't follow my words good, I'm not a proffesional in the En glish language. {{unsigned|MeDeoPal}}
:I assume you mean the HP bar at the top of his talk page? First, I would suggest asking him if he doesn't mind you using the template. It's always a good idea to get permission to use a personal template. Once you get permission, I can probably help you out. Also, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:No, I didn't mean the User talk page but just the User page. What you have on the right side of your user page, I want something like that too. [[User:MeDeoPal|MeDeoPal]] 12:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== If you are to remove Template:Thumb... ==

...then delete {{template|img}} and look to see if it was [[Red's Pikachu (game)|being used]].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 00:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:She already removed it, and yeah, {{template|img}} should be deleted. Does anyone even use it? --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 00:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::I am not going to delete {{template|img}}. You want to know why, Prmatt? {{template|img}} is a good, and useful link template. It's used to link to the archives, '''without''' using the image, very useful for talk page & policy use. Now, when a member of the {{bp|editorial board}} deletes a template you made, '''don't''' recreate it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 00:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I didn't know it was that useful. If you say so, we'll keep it. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 00:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, you could type [[a:001Bulbasaur.png|LOOK A BULBASAUR]] which is, hmm... '''16''' characters less that TTEchidna's post for my template, which doesn't include size.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 00:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah, but {{template|img}} is used for linking to the archives w/o an image, just like Kogoro said. No matter how much you want {{template|img}} deleted, it's staying. Why? CUZ KOGS SAID SO. What's that got to do with anything? SHE'S AN ADMIN, AND A MEMBER OF THE EDITORIAL BOARD. Which simply means she's smarter than you. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 00:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Mine linked "to the archives w/o an image"...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' My name is NOT Matt, PrMatt, PrMatt11, or Prmatt!at 00:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, the template is only used here, my talk page, and on the [[Bulbapedia:List of link templates|list of link templates!]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 00:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
==Venusaur - Leaf Green==
You have a Venusaur with Synchronize??--[[User:MarkoSeke|MarkoSeke]] 10:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:No, it has Overgrow, looks like a copy & paste error when I changed templates. Thanks for noticing! - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 10:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== {{u|Redstar}} ==

He keeps taking stuff out of articles that should be in there. {{u|The Dark Fiddler}} and I have been reverting his edits. Could you ''please'' block him before it turns into a full-blown edit war? --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Toto]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|dile]]''' 22:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:I've only reverted once, and since then have left both of their changes in place while I moved discussion over to the Talk pages of the respective articles. Please feel free to read my points and decide for yourself whether what I removed only once, and only reverted once (which is clearly not reason enough to block) deserves to stay. Thank you. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think a block is necessary at this time. Redstar and I are having a civilized dicussion on one of the points that prompted this notice. Let's wait a moment to see what transpires before handing out punishment, I think. ''[[User:Kevin Y|Kevin Y]]'' ([[User talk:Kevin Y|talk]]) 05:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== {{U|Kaylareenee}} ==

Userspace abuser. Revoke her privileges now. --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 00:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's been barely minutes since Trom's last message, so the messages were obviously overlooked. It's hardly fair to revoke privileges immediately after a warning. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 00:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::There's a bar at the top of the page when you get a new message. She should have read those messages, she had no reason not to overlook those warnings. She continued to edit her userpage. --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 00:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:::That doesn't mean you have to spaz over every single new member who makes a mistake. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Makes a mistake? She had no reason not to read the warnings. She continued to edit her userpage on purpose. --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 00:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because you think it's on purpose doesn't mean it was. I'll have 4 or 5 tabs that I'm working on open at the same time and close them immediately after saving the changes without looking at anything else. Although I see where you're going, you still have no right in doing that to every single new user over the past week or two. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Okay, guys... Please to be calming down... Her userspace privileges have been revoked for a while. But, AT, you need to drop the adrenaline level when informing people about the rules. Your message on her talk page was not very {{bp|code of conduct|civil}}. And please, if the user makes a userspace edit {{tt|really close|within about 5 minutes}} to when a warning was given, please don't re-warn. The user was likely editing while the warning was given, so the new messages bar would have most likely only shown after their edit was saved. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 00:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::OK. I will remember what you have just told me in the future. (Wait, is this message talk abuse?) --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 01:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Vandal ==
Dude, at this point with the current vandal, you should probably just lock the wiki for a few hours... --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 20:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{an|Dawn|No need to worry}}, no need to lock the database yet. But, if the situation gets too much worse, then I might lock down for a while. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, locking down the database is for something grevious, and this guy is just a vandal that pops every half hour or so and is immediately blocked.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 21:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What vandal? --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 21:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== sig help ==

Can you help with my sig please? [[User:Vespitomb|[[User: Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User talk:Vespitomb|tomb]]]] 19:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:You need to first go to your preferences, in the signature box, put in: <code><nowiki>[[User: Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User talk:Vespitomb|tomb]]</nowiki></code>, click the "'''Raw signatures (without automatic link)'''" checkbox, then save your preferences. Your signature should then work properly. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 22:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Unlock Bulbanews ==

... for a few minutes (should be done by 100 server). Adding an opinion thing.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 00:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Or by the time you get it...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 00:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nevermind. Do it sometime later today; about... 2000?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 01:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I need you to unlock it ASAP! I have breaking TCG news!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 20:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Matt is right. You should unlock news. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 21:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

{{u|Trainlover}}

Delete plz? I clicked the freaking talk page link, welcomed, and it ended up on the userpage... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Deleted. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== I thought... ==

We were over the Template:Thumb. Rebellious redirects? WHAT???--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 11:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Plain and simply. {{red link|Bulbapedia:Laziness templates}}. That was '''not''' the way to resolve the issue of that template. It was not behavior befitting of someone with power on any part of the [[Bulbagarden]] Network. I would suggest you feel lucky that all you got was a joke award, and not something much worse. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Snorlax ==

You totally missed the point.

I forgot that a special item had to be held by snorlax to breed a baby form, where with Pikachu normal breeding produced a baby form. somewhere in my thinking process i must have been focused on how a Pikachu and Pichu are and forgot that doesn't fully apply to a Snorlax and munchlax/

Despite not having ever been shown evolving on screen, Its common sense that Ash's Pikachu had to of evolved from a Pichu. I just got mixed up and put something without thinking it through. It was a miscalculation on my part, However that doesn't warrent flaming and people butting in.

I got blocked for what could be called taunting, which is the same thing Psycho was doing. Also Sketch didn't get on me for acting like i had authority to give a warning. Everyone had some extent of authority in warnings. He was just stating that since i got blocked for a similar thing that i'm not the best person to get on psycho for that. Its the kettle calling the pot black.

You might want to stay out of these types of things, because when you jump in late it leads to trouble and misunderstandings. Its like trying to talk to someone about spiderman 3 when you only saw the last 4 minutes. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 18:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, you missed the point Yami. The point is this: '''''What you added did not belong, it was speculation. It does not belong on other anime Pokémon pages either unless the previous form is shown.''''' Common sense doesn't matter. In technicality, yes Pikachu probably did evolve from a Pichu, but unless officially stated that such evolution occurred, it does not get mentioned. (Especially since Pikachu was introduced in EP001, during Gen 1, before Pichu were even known. Did every Pikachu in Red, Blue, Green & Yellow evolve from a Pichu?)

:You did get blocked for taunting, PR's edit summary was not taunting in the least. Maybe if he said "''Hahaha, you're an idiot. No proof Snorlax was ever a Munchlax''" it would have been, but he didn't, so his edit summary was fine. Also, his name is '''PsychicRider''' not Psycho, or anything of the sort. Some could consider you calling him "Psycho" as harassment.

:Now, as a member of the {{bp|Editorial Board}} I think I have every right to get involved to stop pointless discussions that should have ended many many comments ago. So, no, I will not stay out of it. You should watch who you tell to stay out of things, it might bite you sometime. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

==Re==
I know that I've to change my number of DAILY userspace edits, but I have to change my userpage everyday for my next episodes section, sry. And for mainspace edits i havent't got time because pokewiki is working again. --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 19:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, you should be able to do that with a single edit per day. Edit the entire page, not section by section. But you still do have to offset your userspace edits with mainspace edits. Sorry, but we're an encyclopedia, we need our users making edits to the encyclopedic articles more than their personal pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I'm very sorry about having no time for bulbapedia, but I'm just one person and I can't do everything. I try to help so much I can. --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 19:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::you certainly do have time for BP if you have the time to make 30 userspace edits in one month. i think what you ought to do is re-evaluate your position here, and realize that editing the userspace is a '''privilege''' and we have the right and ability to take it away whenever we feel we must. now, if you want to edit at Pokewiki, you go right ahead, but if youre here to just screw around in the userspace, then dont bother coming at all. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'll reduce my personal edits on one per day and I'll do a few normal edits, ok? I will go on working here really efficient, but this will take some time, until pokewiki is uptodate. --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 20:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wtf? I have really reduced my personal padge's edits, but this isn't enough? I did only one to two (if it was neccessary) and that's too much? 0o I can't understand your argumentation. How should I offset my edits, if I can't do some because I'm blocked. I'm really pissed. -.- --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 11:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Reduction was '''half''' of what you needed to do. To '''offset''' your userspace edits, you need to make edits in the '''mainspace'''. While you can't edit the <code>user:</code> namespace, you can easily do '''actual work''' in the '''mainspace''' for a while to offset ''all of those userspace edits you have made '''this month'''''. Your personal page never '''''needs''''' updates, you '''''desire''''' to update. But, when you are updating it 1-2 times per day, every day, without making as much as a daily mainspace edit... {{bp|userspace policy|Come on, really?}} We had a time back in 2008 when '''nobody''' could edit their userpages because there were people making many per day, or {{tt|only|or mostly}} editing the userspace while they were here. I don't think '''anyone''' wants to see that entire namespace block go back in place. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Image Extracts ==

[[Image:HGSS Pikachu.png|thumb|right]]
[[Image:HGSS Mareep.png|thumb|right]]

This is all extracted from HGSS. Do you like it? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:You extracted JPG sprites and didn't clean them. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 21:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Long time no see ==

Okay, I'm mostly freaking out with all the shit that has fucked me over this past week, and I need you to curb a little bit of it for me. Would it be possible to get as many of the images for the new cards as you can? Apparently, the remaining Arceus cards have been released, and I would appreciate it if you can get those for me. Also, could you try to e-mail Cipher (I am unable to at my current location) and get the SP M image? That will help me fantastically. I will try to deal with as much as I can when I get home tomorrow night, and hopefully get things under control for Advent. Thanks in advance, and this is probably my last response, so good luck. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 15:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Those HGSS color templates... ==

Why'd you change them? just curious. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 22:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Because when ''someone'' was making the dark & light colors for both, they were done improperly. I was restoring one of the base colors to the original version, then fixing the modified versions to normal standards with the originals. I don't think you really need to be asking me why I changed something... - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 22:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm... better revamp my userspace template then. And I was just curious... --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 22:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Userspace ==

Nothing on that either. [[User:LightDeoxys|LightDeoxys]] 19:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, but there is a lot of things on that page... Try '''actually looking''' instead of skimming over things, and expecting people to give you things to do. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Kay, stop. NOW. Or you'll get 4 days off for edit warring, and another 2 days for non-article related discussion." ==

Oh, yeah?
1) How is asking why something should be included in an article, a non-article related discussion?
2) What rule did my comment break? What warranted it being edited out?
- [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 04:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
# '''Read''' the reason it was removed in the first place. Your comment has nothing to do with '''bettering''' the article, it's just your opinion, that falls under {{tt|non-related|better suited for the forums, if you MUST say it}} discussion.
# ''{{bp|talk page|Read #1 all over again until you understand.}}''
# Edit warring is bad. If your comments gets removed by {{u|Kenji-girl|a sysop}} you should '''ask''' that sysop why they removed it. Don't restore it with a jerkish edit summary, kay?
:- [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 04:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

1. Where was the opinion? That incest and pedophilia are wrong is an opinion?

And I didn't say "Remove these shippings right away". I asked why we must list shippings that promote taboo practices. Last time I checked, asking the logic in including something in an article is a valid comment.

2. I ask again. What rule did I break? After reading that, I still fail to see what I did that goes against that page's rules. I didn't attack anyone, edit someone else's comment, left my comment unsigned, or made an article-unrelated comment.

3. Okay. I fail to see how writing "You don't help the article" as the reason for editing the comment I wrote asking a question, without telling me what I did wrong, is any less of a "jerkish edit summary" than was my answer to the edit, though.

- [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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== [[User talk:UberPoke]] ==

Why was this page locked? I don't believe that this user is the same as the one creating all those multiple accounts. I'm not sure, since you didn't give a reason. ''[[User:Kevin Y|Kevin Y]]'' ([[User talk:Kevin Y|talk]]) 23:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
:It is another account of {{u|Uber0wned}}, created just minutes after that one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
::On that subject, I've noticed lately some new users get blocked literally just MINUTES after registering for being sockpuppets. I can't help but wonder, how are all the sysops so sure? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
::: IP Adress I think.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 23:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd think it would be a very tedious task for the sysops to run checkusers on ALL of these new accounts, considering how many there are, but unfortunately that seems to be necessary. ''[[User:Kevin Y|Kevin Y]]'' ([[User talk:Kevin Y|talk]]) 23:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's called "Check user". Something that those of at least "Check user" status can have that others can't. These accounts in which the username is composed of two 5 letter non-words all share the same IP addresses. We've been watching this for over a day now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Tail Whip==

The Kangaskhan thing was already there first, and the articles on the episodes refer to each of the ones I described as a Tail Whip (and no, I didn't add that bit to the episode articles). What would you call it then? Remember in the anime attacks are different than in the games. If the Kangaskhan thing counts as a Tail Whip, the others sure do. I mean, can you expect Psyduck's "Tail Wag" to do any damage? As opposed to, say, Charmeleon?[[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 06:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, you left Kangaskhan up there? But its hitting enemies with its tail is no different from Charmeleon, Onix, Nidoking, Gyarados, and Dragonite! Why did you remove all the ones I added and yet leave Kangaskhan up there? [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 06:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

:I believe the Kangaskhan thing was named as Tail Whip by someone in the episode. The others are just speculation. No one said "Use Tail Whip". Therefore, it's unconfirmed.--[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

::I know what it does in the games, but what exactly does it do in the anime? When used by a Pokemon other than Psyduck, that is? And the other "speculations" were identical to Kangaskhan.[[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 06:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well I removed Kangaskhan for now until someone can prove it was Tail Whip. And the only way to prove it is if a human character commanded or mentioned it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::You didn't answer my question... also, the two Onix were wild Onix, and so was the Nidoking, and Ash's Charmeleon doesn't listen to him in any event, and the Gyarados was defending Nurse Joy from Team Rocket, so no attack was named. What would you call it then?[[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 06:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They just hit them with their tail, But it's still not tail whip, It could be any moves involving a tail (Like Iron Tail).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::Can I have a list of all tail-related attacks then? Like Tail Whip and Iron Tail? I'll see if I can't figure out which ones could apply to them. (Oh, and I haven't seen the Dragonite episode in a few weeks but I seem to remember either Drake or the announcer mentioning it... I could be wrong though, I'll check on it tomorrow) [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 07:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There's Aqua Tail, Tail Glow, Poison Tail, Tail Whip and Iron Tail.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::::While those moves FF mentioned are moves with title on its name, some other moves could be tail-related, such as Slam. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 07:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

::Hmmmm... Aqua Tail involves a spiral of water in the anime, Tail Glow just makes the tail glow, Poison Tail is more of a poison/slash attack and the tail also glows, and Iron Tail also has the tail glow, and the only tail I ever saw glow, ironically, was Psyduck when it seemed like it was going to evolve. And from what I can gather about Slam, they will wrap their tongue, tail, vine, etc. around the opponent and SLAM them on the ground. So... it doesn't seem as though any of them apply to the scenes with Charmeleon, Giant Onix, Crystal Onix, Pink Nidoking, Gyarados, and Drake's Dragonite, as far as I can tell the only one officially referred to as a Tail Whip in the anime is Psyduck, which in its case is more of a Tail Wag, but let's face it, its tail is so much smaller and weaker than Charmeleon's. The only way Psyduck can send Team Rocket blasting off (as many moves that have been "speculated" to be Tail Whips have done) is by using Confusion... [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 07:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

::For the time being, I've mentioned Kangaskhan, Charmeleon, Onix, Nidoking, Gyarados, and Dragonite in one paragraph, though until a decision can be made I've said that it is often '''speculated''' to be a tail whip and that there is no real evidence that that's what it actually is. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 08:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Don't insert speculation on pages. Put it on the talk page, forums, or somewhere else. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 08:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::I checked the Kangaskhan and Dragonite episodes, and no one mentioned the word "Tail Whip" at all. But isn't that a little strict, I mean, Harry Potter wiki had speculation on them before Deathly Hallows came out, didn't they? And Mario wiki too, not to mention Dragonball wiki. But let's all continue our debate/discussion (I think it's kinda a cross between the two) on the talkpage of {{m|Tail Whip}} from here on, how's that? Anyone wishing to join in this discussion can click the link and go to the talkpage. See ya there. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 17:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Last time I checked, I was pretty sure this was Bulbapedia, not Harry Potter Wiki, Mario Wiki, or Dragonball Wiki. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

:(''Copied from [[Talk:Tail Whip (move)]]'')
:I think only when the trainer calls it out (or another trainer states that another Pokémon has used it) should count as it actually using it. As you say, many Pokémon have hit the opponent with its tail. However, the move Tail Whip does '''not''' cause damage and does '''not''' cause contact. Any case of a Pokémon hitting an opponent with its tail shouldn't be considered using this move for these reasons. ''[[User:Kevin Y|Kevin Y]]'' ([[User talk:Kevin Y|talk]]) 17:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Black Arachnid's Meowth ==

When you have time, could you please update the Black Arachnid's Meowth custom sprite to Platinum? Thanks!--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== [[Gold (game)]] ==

Um, instead of "his female counterpart in HGSS is {{ga|Soul}}", could we put in "he has {{ga|Soul|a new female counterpart in the games}}"? Soul is just a name given to her by fans... --'''[[Johto|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 01:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Userspace edits==
I asked THE TROM, and I'll ask you: Can't I atleast update it so it's consistent with the current events of this site? Because an admin finally resolved the debate between PsychicRider and Hunter, and I'd like to update the "Crisis of Team Rocket's immortality" section about that... [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 04:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:Update it to find out how wrong you are, and no, you are not allowed to edit it for 4 more days, got that? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::An admin antagonizing other users? The rules of Bulbapedia sure differ from the rules of Dragonball wiki, there admins are not in a position to do that... anyway, I'm gonna take a long vacation from this site. I will return, and make a list of edits I'm gonna make to improve the wiki when I do, but for now, I'm gone. (pause, waiting for the other users to cheer, drink champagne, and declare a party to celebrate finally having gotten rid of the stupid nuisance who is the mortal enemy of PsychicRider and even an admin, who says stupid things, and who makes useful edits to some articles, like adding detailed synopsis when needed) [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 05:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Look. About a year ago, Bulbapedia locked down the userpages completely so that no one could edit them. This is because some users overly abused the userspace by making pages for riddles, games, and prizes. It was rediculous. We're talking about 100 edits a day. Some users just joined to abuse the userspace and contributed nothing of value. In July, we got it back. That's why we are so strict. So it won't happen again. The Dragonball Wiki probably didn't have this problem or otherwise they would have done it to. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::OK, but how does editing a userspace multiple times qualify as making pages for riddles, games, and prizes, if the edits don't involve any of them?

::And about Dragonball Wiki, I meant that there an admin is not in a position to become enemies with a user. They can block or ban them, sure, but not become enemies, like me and PsychicRider. (Note to PsychicRider: You seemed really angry at me, even though I was trying to be nice to you and admit defeat on the immortality trivia debate, but if you do not consider us enemies, let me know, cause we seemed like we were starting to get along before the outcome of the debate was decided, and we got off to a slight misunderstanding of what TTE meant). On this site, apparently admins can become enemies with other users. Maverick Nate doesn't have a reason to block me or ban me yet, but he really seems to hate me, and I'm betting it's because we got off to a rocky start because I wasn't using epicodes, or maybe because of the immortality trivia debate... but since I understand both, can't he and I get along? Cause I REALLY don't want to be enemies with an admin. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 06:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::He kinda does have grounds to block you. On the grounds of talk abuse. You are editing talk pages way too much. We had a user by the name of SuperMax who only used Bulbapedia to use the talk feature and only pissed people off. That's why we have this rule.

:::We aren't here to make enemies with you. We have rules that we expect you to follow without question. If we say you shouldn't edit your userpage so much, then you probably shouldn't do it instead of keep asking "Why?". I gave you a reason. My point was that editing userpages all the time caused Bulbapedia to have a userpage lock down and we don't want it to happen again. You can wait until tomorrow to edit it again.

:::Admins may seem mean. But you can't take it personally. Day after day they have to put up with stupid crap from users and tend to get a little mean when the rules and guidelines they make are questioned. I didn't get it at first when I joined and made mistakes but I do now. It gets annoying. Sorry it has to be this way, but it's just how it is.

:::We are not the Dragonball Wiki. All wikis are different and have special rules. Please know that. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::I understand, and I also know that this site is not affiliated with Dragonball Wiki (Dragonball Wiki, Digimon Wiki, Horror Film wiki, etc. all use my same Ghostkaiba account, but I had to create an entirely new Ghostkaiba297 account for here. And with this message I'm not trying to excessively edit a talkpage, I'll see if I can make an edit to another page (but not Ash's Charizard, of course, that one has been protected by the admins for about a month or so), this is a relevant discussion. But now I see why you don't want the userpages edited too much, and from now on I'll edit the whole page instead of just specific sections. And I appreciate that he didn't block me, I know what to do differently next time. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 17:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

==Userpage==

Sure, sorry for the hassle. [[User:Kingdonfin|Kingdonfin]] 05:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== I need help on another Mewtwo related thing. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Mewtwo_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#false_info.3F [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== AG191 talk page ==

Give me a policy that says that comment should be deleted. {{unsigned|Galladeon|18:01, 25 May 2009}}
:See your talk page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I Need that info! (Do NOT tell me to go to the forums (They are off-limits to me.))([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 05:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
:Well that's not my problem. You're not posting that on the talk page just so you can benefit from it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::A little harsh, an idea where we would list every Pokémon by trainer encounter has been spoken about before. This is the reason why...to answer questions like these. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 05:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::? Your sentence kinda doesn't make sense to me. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== sorry to bug you with this but what are these numbers? ==

(+129)

DP105‎; 08:45 . . (+129) . . Yami Takashi (Talk | contribs) (→Trivia:) [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 08:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Number of letters/spaces, etc. added. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

==Someone editing the userspace too much==
I warned a user named {{u|TPof~}} about editing the userspace too much, applied three warning templates. This user has made far too many edits. I posed this message to [[User:The dark lord trombonator|another admin]], but I wanted another admin to know. If you can take care of it, thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 01:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Question... ==

Do you think [[User:Ht14/IGEP|this]] will ever come up on the encyclopedia? If not...yeah... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:It could. I think it's a nice idea. But you should probably ask TTE for some advise. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::It's nice. I can do it but more info's still needed. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 07:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== What's the rules on uploading images? ==

I was wondering if I'm allowed to upload images of Pokémon I've drawn for use in my userpage. Or do i have to use photobucket? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:You are granted 3 personal images to upload. Any more than that will be deleted. And you already have that Wilford Brimley thing on your page so that leaves two. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there any way to get photobucket images to show up? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. Just post the direct link. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

and there is no limit to those right? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:You are only allowed two here, and there isn't a limit to how many you use on photobucket. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Ummm....==
Okay Kenji-girl thank you for saying that. I'm just okay. Don't worry I'm going to be proffesional starting today. Thank you. May God Bless You!!! {{unsigned|Pokechu101}}.
:Um okay. Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== could you delete the file of Diabetes man? ==

I no longer wish to have that Walter Brimley thing on my userpage, and would like it deleted so it doesn't take up space or my personal pictures. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 13:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Blockade ==

when you block people, ONLY IF IT IS A BIG BAD SUPER VANDAL do you block the IP of a user. and even then, its a touchy thing to block IPs. see, you blocked "Fishdicks" by IP, which in turn also blocked Psy and anyone using his ISP for that matter. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:Again, sorry. I was just in Grawp mode and forgot about it. Sorry. I'll try not to do it again. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::its ok, its been a hectic night.... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sup, homedawg ==

Remember [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Piplup_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=678757&oldid=672623 this]? Someone actually [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Piplup_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=777809&oldid=776056 did it]. If you want to block them, that's your call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:It was mainly for deterring people from adding Barry. Is it really fair to block someone for ignorance? Besides, doesn't look like he's a frequent editor. But if I don't, people may think I'm not being serious. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Congratulations! ==

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| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Pikachu Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For your outstanding service to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] in pages regarding the [[Pokémon anime|{{color|000|Pokémon anime}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Pikachu Award|{{color|000|Golden Pikachu Award}}]] for May, 2009 by the [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|{{color|000|Bulbapedia editorial board}}]]!

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Please place [[Template:User received GoldPika|{{color|000|this template}}]] onto your userpage by putting <nowiki>{{User received GoldPika|</nowiki>May, 2009<nowiki>}}</nowiki> among your userboxes.
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- [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 07:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Congrats, you deserve it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Congrats Kenji! One day that Pikachu will be mine, all mine -insert evil laugh here- -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Replace ==

Could you replace that first screenshot in HGSS with [[:a:File:HGSS Screenshot 1.png|this]]? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Please? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, I didn't see your comment due to other comments. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

==Farewell==

See page for more details. [[User:Telme|Telme]] 19:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Do you mind? ==

Hey I like the way your page is layed out. Do you mind if I base mine off the layout (just the userboxes and Pokémon team for the games pretty much). Thanks! -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 21:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== *interrupts DP131 updates* ==

So the verdict on Magmortar? Article or not? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm actually writing it right now. I figure it's notable now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::Great minds, huh? Or alternatively, "simple minds seldom differ" xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Generation IV ==

Hey Kenji-girl, do we want to put Generation IV already on the Johto pages or should we hold off until it is confirmed? Such examples are the [[Tin Tower]]. We also have a couple actually confirmed such as the Sprout Tower... but some such as the rocket hideout may be done away with. Thanks. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 23:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Additionally, we could just put Generation IV up put just do the whole arrows thing so it doesn't show up until the game is released and it is confirmed.... -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 23:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::On top of that, someone is adding "The route is set to appear in the [[Generation IV]] remakes, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]]." see this for more (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Route_28&diff=784926&oldid=784767). Do we want to be doing this either? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 00:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== New User... ==

Hey Kenji-girl, I saw that you reversed the DP episode. He put some pointless thing there earlier and I guess didn't like that it was undone. That user isn't doing much, mostly just making pointless changes, some that aren't even valid and have no proof (ex. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=EP092&diff=769531&oldid=757541)-[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 00:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks. ==

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to get the welcome thing and was putting it in manually. Thanks for doing it. I will definitely stay away. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 01:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. And also, WikidSmaht has been here since Febuaray 2006, even longer than I have. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yep, I just noticed that after I wrote that comment. Looking at his main space edits though, he disappeared for quite a bit from September to June. Thanks again! -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 01:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Synopses ==

Should episode synopses be in present or past tense? I've seen both, and I think they should all be one way or the other. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:I really don't know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'll ask TTE. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Eevee ==

In case you didn't know, Eevee doesn't need to be anywhere near the Moss Rock to become Leafeon. It just needs to be in the Eterna Forest. Same with Glaceon and Route 217. I tested this myself long ago. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 01:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:The Chateau is almost near the exit. It's probably too far away by that point. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::Near the Chateau works. In doesn't. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 01:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that's obvious why. The Chateau is not the forest. The forest is full of grass and trees. It probably has to do with the surroundings, not the location. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Paul's Pokémon Order==

Considering that Paul rotates his main team between 7 pokémon, meaning that at least one of them is always under status unknown, shouldn't those ones be kept up under his on hand pokémon on the Paul article? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think its how everyone wants it, considering Paul's habit of releasing his Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry for The Misunderstanding . . . ==

I have been here for a while but I'm still getting used to things. Sorry for talking to you like that. I'm still kind of wacked up by the ways of wikipedia. But yeah I will be more careful before saying something like that. If you don't remember what I'm talking about, this happened on the talk page for DP110. Again sorry for the [[confusion (move)|confusion.]] --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 17:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Update ==

Please update {{template|DP episode}} with Paul's Magmortar. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 04:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS thing ==

For the thing Trom moved around in the changes section, it needs commas plz. After 'interface' and 'games'. I noticed a lot of people wouldn't have one after interface, but... yeah. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== List ==

Could you update [[List of Advanced Generation series episodes|this]] please, or just unprotect it? I might correct some titles and it'll be a bother if I keep doing this. Please add an "'''!'''" to the AG141 dub title.

Also, what do you think should the name format for the Pokémon anime artwork be? Game ones have ''###Name.png''. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

...and could you remove the extra spaces in {{template|Walkthrough}} (connect the last ''']''' and the '''<''' before noinclude)? Thanks. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 13:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== heads up ==

i e-mailed you, i was going tell you on here sooner, but i got distracted. Just giving you a heads up since i don't know how often you check e-mail [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 01:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Project Anime . . . a new member . . . ==

Do we just put our names and a link to our userpage to join or do we ask? I have been doing many edits to the error sections of anime episode's article's and trivia sections and I'm going to start helping with synopsis's. I really want to join for this. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You just put your name on the page and put {{template|User Project Anime}} on your userpage. You don't need to ask permission to join. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 22:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Well-needed edit on {{template|bulbanews}} ==

See the talk page for it. Thanks, '''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 21:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:Since I suck with coding your going to have to explain it better to me. Why don't you copy and past the whole template with the changes here instead of saying "Change this to that". --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::Kayz. See below for what is needed.
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--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Template:User DawnPiplupEvo ==

What do you mean nobody's using it? Me and three other users are using it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 16:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:When I checked "What links here", it had no pages linking to it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Really? When ''I'' checked "what links here", it had my user page and three others. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 11:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyway, MAGNEDETH didn't believe it was notable enough for the main space. It's not going to kill you if it's under your name. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE: On Akatsuki_hime ==

Yeah, I know the user. Since I use wireless broadband at home, she often comes by and uses her laptop to surf the net, which is why we have the same IP address. [[User talk:JcZala]]

== Regarding our little disagreement ==

so, we were thinking last night, and we decided that yeah, if we ''only'' redirect the pages, we're losing some info. SO, I came up with a solution I think could satisfy everyone, including the policy-opposers. See what I did [[Casey (anime)#Pokémon|here]] and [[Ritchie#Pokémon|here]] as examples. Wha'd'ya say? If we put something like that for every recurring character, Drew's Absol that you so cherish will get his fifteen bytes of glory (well, a whole paragraph, actually) - and so will the others. I think it's a win-win solution for everyone. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:[[Drew#Pokémon|Check. It. Out.]] I'm sure this peace offering will satisfy you. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::I like it. It's a nice solution to the problem. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Project Tense ==

some members of your anime project have started installing [[Template:Tense|this template]] on pages, but i cant find anywhere you giving your approval of it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:42, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:He had approval from TTE. [[User talk:Kenji-girl#Synopses]] --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::you know.......i just asked {{tt|TTE|in IM}}, and he didnt answer. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::He did give an answer [[User talk:TTEchidna#Synopses]]. Or you mean he didn't answer you on IM? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::::the latter. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well looking at it, he didn't really give a clear answer. He just says what ever works better. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::this just in, TTE says present tense. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

== VA notability ==

[[Marco Aurélio Campos|We]] [[Priscila Ferreira|need]] [[Dado Monteiro|to]] [[Márcio Marconato|talk]]... [[José Parisi Jr.|Voice]] [[Phillip Bartlett|actors]] [[Kelly Davis|notability]] [[Diane Stillwell|is]] [[Federico Danti|getting]] [[Radosław Popłonikowski|out]] [[Lene Bastos|of]] [[Leila Castro|hand]]. Now I don't want to repeat past mistakes - you're not officially project VA leader but you're still the founder. Come to AIM sometime, a line has to be drawn somewhere. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 19:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== ? ==

Why was my comment edited out, exactly? Last time I checked, asking why something should be in an article is a perfectly valid question. - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Kogoro/2

2009-07-06T04:45:33Z

Spideym: /* "Kay, stop. NOW. Or you'll get 4 days off for edit warring, and another 2 days for non-article related discussion." */ new section

Talk:List of shippings

2009-07-06T04:29:52Z

Spideym: Undo revision 802855 by PsychicRider (Talk)

GAH! The formatting was screwed up when the list was updated...anyone able to help out? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:58, 27 December 2005 (CST)

==Motion to rename to List of shippers==
===Aye (2)===
* Move will bring it in line with the rest of Bulbapedia. This current title can be a meta-article, about the list itself and its evolution. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 11:52, 6 Aug 2005 (CDT)
*Agreed. No need to retain the current title now. Now that there's actually a real place for it with 'pedia, it needs to become more encyclopedic. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 17:59, 6 Aug 2005 (CDT)
*I would advocate giving shippers a wiki of there own, the pokemon or at least anime variety in particular.[[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(saikou tenshi)]] 5:03AM, 7 Nov 2005 (PDT)

===Nay (0)===
*

==Old==
Awwww bugger. Anyone know how to fix the formatting for this page? It doesn't seem to like me at all. Perhaps it's the page length? Over 43kb. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 02:35, 26 Dec 2004 (GMT)

:Holy crap O_o. I never remember there being this many shipping groups. Is there anything that hasn't been shipped. I think I'm still on the webpage for Chaos Rocket's Pallet Shipping group. And Archaic, try line breaks? --[[User:Tenchi-Oak|Tenchi-Oak]] 09:49, 25 Dec 2004 (EST)

::That's all I had. Zhen's fixed it up for me though, so no more problems. Added a quick navigation to the start. Figured that with the list so long thesedays, it'd help to skip to at least the letters of the alphabet. ^^; --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 03:19, 26 Dec 2004 (GMT)

==Suggestions==

In the forum thread for the list, Muka-chan suggested that people add submissions here. So I'll start with one I thought up: FenceShipping, Ash & Misty + Ash & Gary. That is, someone who believes in both PokéShipping and PalletShipping. I used to be one of those poor misguided souls... ^_^ - Ketsuban

Another suggestion from the Ket... SnapShipping should be Ash & Todd. How can it not have a name yet? *is surprised* And of course the Japanese would call it SatoTo'o or To'oSato... Also, RanmaShipping: Todd & Jesse! Because Kappei Yamaguchi is male Ranma, and Megumi Hayashibara is female Ranma! Hahahahahahaha. And shoot, I added these while logged in as Blackjack. *cries* --[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban, NOT BLACKJACK]]

Another couple: CloneBitchShipping (Jessibelle and Misty), and CloneBrocketShipping (Jessibelle and Brock). Both of them were blushing when Jessibelle was talking about whipping James... ~Ket again

More suggestions from Ket because she has some ships that need names:

*IllusoryShipping: Brock and Lokoko
*SubmarineShipping: Hokage and Ruby
*KyogreShipping: Wattson and Flannery

Ket, FenceShipping isn't an original name. You're just reinventing one of the names I coined for them back in the old days. =p Half-breed was the term that got general acceptance BTW.
Also....GAH! Some of the names that have been edited and replaced shouldn't have been changed to their dub ones. Those Ships were meant to be specifically for the Japanese version, and not for the dubs.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 10:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

o_O Why the heck would a ship be specifically for the Japanese version? Can the characters not be involved with each other if they are speaking English? -ket

Cases where people feel that the hints weren't carried over to the dub, or where the feeling of the relationship has changed significantly. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 21:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Who cares if the hints weren't carried over? Most of the shippers ''I'' know don't care about hints. And just which pairings are you talking about, anyway? -ketz

'nother suggestion: TrickShipping as Tabitha & Shizuku. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

お久しぶりだね、兄弟。The ancient one is right, Half-breeds is indeed the correct term. I'd like to advocate a complete shipper history and, just for the sake of situations such as these, a shipper dictionary of terms. How about it? Marc is already aware of what we'd like to do. And for the love, open the list up to the general public. Are you so afraid of repraisals? I mean, you're going to heavily moderate that one anyway, right, Liam? [[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(Most High Heaven Messenger)]] 5:13AM, 7 Nov 2005 (PDT)

Since when does "Psycho Tenshi" mean "Most High Heaven Messenger"? =p So who are you exactly anyway?
A Shippers glossary would certainly be a helpful addition to 'pedia. You want to write it, go ahead.
And as for opening up the list....no. There's far too many frivolous names on there anyway. The list was never meant to be a name for everything people came up with off the top of their head, only a name for every ship that people had actually actively used in fanfics/fanart/fandom discussions/etc --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 07:32, 7 November 2005 (CST)

Since I became a Cleric. >:P There are no kanji in FFXI names（ローマ字だけ）, so I prefer to katakanaize all player character names i mention from it, including my own. This is my own convention because of circumstances. My JP friends usually prefer ro-maji, but this isn't always useful. Especially when we correspond in english, I'll usually katakanaize a person's name being discussed or add a non-romanized honorific suffix so that my friend doesn't get confused. i considered going with 最高 here, but the double entendre was my initial reason for taking this alias in the first place (and a vain hope to avoid overt vanity). If you know who I am, then you'd know that allegory is of my favorites. Ironic, that. sai = most kou = high ten = heaven shi = messenger. If you want to get literal, Supreme Angel. In angelology, this would be Seraphim or Archangels. Michael and Gabriel are said to be part of this order, but then again so is The Deciever of the Entire World. To quote Raogrimm, we have the potential to be either that greater good or greater evil.

Forgive me for babbling. I don't know if I will take up these tasks. The matters of the true world are more pressing at this time. I have a role to play which supercedes games and forums, and is in fact a matter of life and death. If you want to go off topic, I believe you know my email.

And for the sake of my sentimental heart... ReunionShipper, please!
「出逢いと同じ数別れがあるのなら
ふたたび会える日を僕らは信じよう」

--[[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(Crazy Angel)]] 7:06PM, 7 November 2005 (PST)

* Additions: GymcestShipper - May/Max/Caroline/Norman
* HottieShipper - Ash/Daisy/Violet/Lily
* CascadeShipper - Ash/Misty/Daisy/Violet/Lily
* AbilityShipper - Ash/Anabel
* PsydragonShipper - Latias/Latios/Bianca
* SquintShipper - Brock/Lucy
* ThreewayShipper - Norman/Caroline/Petalburg City's Nurse Joy

Hey! I got a good one!

IceBeamShipping - Paul's Weavile & Dawn's Buneary

This shipping's starting to become infamous since I put up a Pokemon/BW crossover on DeviantArt. Whaddya think? --[[User:Paul'sDialga]] 8:15 PM; 9/24/08

==Um...==
Why is this protected? I wanted to move this to [[List of shippers]], as the current name is unencyclopedic. — [[User:Jellochuu|Jellochuu]][[User talk:Jellochuu|¾]] 22:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Because the (In)Complete List of Shippers is less an article made specifically for Bulbagarden, and more an article hosted by Bulbagarden. Treat it like you'd treat a game walkthrough that the creator would allow to be posted as long as it wasn't edited.
The real reason it was protected though however was so that the Shippers Community could have more control over what names are accepted as being the "official" ship names, preventing edit-wars.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 09:32, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would like to join! May I? How do I?--[[User:Paul'sDialga|Paul'sDialga]]

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>* SahaShipper - A flaming, militant supporter of Advanceshipping
Why is that listed under Ships Involving Real People? They're not paired with anyone...

While I would assume that person meant it as a ship between a person and their own ship, you're right, it should be under the main list as an alternate name, like GakiShipping.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 10:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Flamebait Ships==
What the hell is this? "UrineShipper - Ledian_X & his toilet " Who made it? I never heard of it. Tempted to edit it out.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 17:12, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I don't know who added that Ship, or several others like it, but I know they weren't there when I last did a full update, which means it's one of you guys who's put it in. Unless there's a *very* good historical reason to include ships like this (And in which case, it should have the historical context mentioned in a note on the list itself), it should never have been approved for addition to the list in the first place. This is disgraceful. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 23:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

>Should there even be ships listed in there that don't involve Pokemon characters at all? I mean, I know some of it's kitchy fandom, but where do you draw the line? Should the site cover ships that are only vaugely related to Pokemon through tenuous links via real people and unrelated other people and objects? I propose that if we DO keep the ships that have nothing to do with Pokemon and characters besides links to people who are fans of Pokemon - that they at least be regulated to a page on their own. I just don't think someone who goes "OMG! Damian and Mozz need to do eachother!" or "Rachil Lils would totally go for the Japanese voice actor of Kasumi!" deserves their own sections of the Bulbapedia, since it's not really related to Pokemon except in aroundabout way.

- Zeta

I don't think that any ships that don't involve Pokémon characters should be listed on the site. It's completely unprofessional and has nothing to do with the franchise. I mean, ships involving members of the fandom are bad enough, but why are completely unrelated pairings, like Inuyasha/Jakotsu, listed? That needs to be on an Inuyasha site, ''not'' a Pokémon encyclopedia. If you ''must'' have ships involving members of the fandom, at least put them on a separate page in the People category so that people looking for actual character ships aren't forced to dig through that other garbage. Sorry for my harsh words, but I am honestly getting fed up with the amount of non-Pokémon/unimportant fandom content going into this encyclopedia. -[[User:Argy|Argy]]

==Misspellings==
*jesse (jessie)
*nidoran(f) (nidoran♀)
*nidoran(m) (nidoran♂)
*pokemon (pokémon)
*seperated (separated)
- [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 05:07, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Urineshipping ==

may i ask what is Urineshipping

Please read the relevant discussion above, or speak to the participants in it. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

==Thing==

I made a [[Template:NCS|template]] that I thought might be useful for certain articles after Meowth brought up the fact that one of the shipping articles I'd made might be offensive to some. I considered applying it to the list article, but since it's protected I figured I should ask what everyone else thinks first. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 19:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:Go ahead and add it. There's quite a lot of offensive names on there.
:While we're at it....we really need to update this list again. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 09:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Yoshi/Dani/Jackson ==

These need to be updated to Jimmy, Marina, and Jackson/Vincent. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:51, 8 November 2005 (CST)

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I notice this page is very long but doesn't have a few ships, especially with the DP characters. I guess there's not a big following now in America, but in Japan they're everywhere. So that might be part of the problem, because there might not be an American name yet.

I also wondered, maybe we could organize the article into more common ships (PokéShipping, Palletshipping, etc) and the ones that are just... really, really obscure. There might also need to be a section for ships that are a little bit more... you know, PG-13, and we could move the warning at the top to just that article (anything with incest, urine, etc...)

Anyway, here's a list of ships that I think need to be added:
* Ash x Dawn
* Paul x Dawn
* Silver x Jasmine
* Lucas x Cynthia
* Roark x Gardenia
* Volkner x Jasmine
* Volkner x Roark
* Morty x Falkner
* Lucian x Aaron
* Flint x Lucian (usually unrequitted)
* Silver x Gold -- I think "Silver" is currently listed as "Black" for some reason
* Gold x Red
*etc Unsigned comment by {{u|Greengiant}}

:The problem is that, while Luna Tiger maintains the list on BMGf, no one has updated this version of the list for over a year. That means that any ships created since then, including all the DP ships, are not reflected in it. I am a bit busy with real life at the moment but I will take a look at it on Sunday if no one updates it before then. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

::The ''big'' problem is that our shipping section is ''extremely'' neglected now that it's in a separate namespace. I don't even want to touch some of those articles because they're disgustingly bad. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 19:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, that's more of an overall thing. This list can be dealt with easier. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting the update now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
And I'm done. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to add an {{oversized article notice}} to this page (because in all honesty folks, it is) but it seems that I'm too low on the ladder to edit this particular page... [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]]

Much agreed on the above statement of including Silver x Jasmine. --[[User:Crazy Packers Fan|Crazy Packers Fan]] 01:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Crossovers? ==

Can this page include crossover shippings? Like, say, for example someone from Pokémon and someone from Digimon? Just wondering (even though i do support a '''crack''' Pokémon/Naruto shipping xD) [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:We already have a section on the page called "Crossover/Non-Pokémon Ships". They include crossover ships, including some involving the main characters of two different shows. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dawn/Jun? ==

Please forgive me if this isn't the place to ask, I honestly don't know where to go to ask. >_> I was just wondering if a shipping for Dawn/Jun or Platina/Pearl had been created yet? ....Thanks.... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 20:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:Dawn/Jun = TwinLeafShipping. No idea for Platina/Pearl. I was going to make TwinLeafShipping after the next anime episode.....'''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 21:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thank you for the answer. ..And what do you mean by 'make', do you mean a shipping article? Sorry if I come off as clueless... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 01:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:Yes. And it's alright being clueless. '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 19:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

::For the record, Pearl/Platina is Haughtyshipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

==Pokémon Ranger==

Does anyone know the Shipping names for

*[[Kellyn]] & [[Kate (Ranger)|Kate]]
*[[Keith (Ranger)|Keith]] & Kate

please tell me!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Madch94|Madch94]] ([[User talk:Madch94|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madch94|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Almiashipping is Kellyn and Kate, and Keith/Kate is nameless. By the way, don't "correct" timestamps. It makes people mad. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, sorry! And thank you! [[User:Madch94|Madch94]] 12:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shipping ==

These are some ships there should be:
Poemshipping - Gary and Dawn
Shortshipping - (hahaha) Gary and professer Oak.
BTW, what are the LINKS for Gary and Umbreon, Gary and Paul, and Gary and Morty? THANKS!
Yeah. I am a palletshipper. Duh. I also don't think homosexuality is wrong. My sister is lesbian, and she's had boy and girl relashionships romantically. Peace love palletshipping - garyplusash
:Gary/Dawn is Cavaliershipping (which we have an article on) and Oak/Gary is already Grandson or Grandpashipping. Gary/Umbreon is Darkshipping, Gary/Paul is Darkstreakshipping, and Gary/Morty is Darkpactshipping. ...Theme'd? Course not. And you should ALWAYS sign your comments with the four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, and not just type out your username. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...Grandpashipping? WTF? Why do we have to list sick shippings that support something as disgusting and just plain wrong as incest AND pedophilia (Gary is underaged)!? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 03:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Um ==

Why are we listing ships that aren't even Pokémon related? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Because they proceed the eventual Pokémon-only case. We keep them because, once upon a time, they were still once apart of the list, and if they aren't there, they aren't anywhere else. Not an issue. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Links? ==

I'm going to go ahead and sift through the list and add links to the shipping pages. I can't be the only one who'd like to know what shipping pages we have or don't have. I'm just wondering, do I link to the 'Warning, this page contains....' page or to the actual ship page? -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 16:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, if your goal is to link ''all'' of the ships on the page, you're best off holding off, lest you want {{u|Kenji-girl}} reverting you in fury. For starters, only a small handful of ships are notable for articles--I highly doubt a "Brock'sWoodenSausageShipping" (a Sudowoodo and the wooden sausage Brock carved up back in Johto) article would last long. Additionally, this list is horribly out of date, as it's accurate only to May 22, 200'''7''', more than two years ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think he means adding the articles we already have to the list, and no so much making with the vagrant redlinks everywhere. Except the page is protected, and when it is updated, the process will have to be done all over again, with the relinking. It's not worth the effort. If they want to know what 'ships we have articles on, the easiest was would just be to go to {{cat|Shipping}}. ...Not that that helps identify which is which without clicking elsewhere. Hmmm. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== TOC ==

I suggest that this page use something like this: (hidden). It's a bit better to look at. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 16:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of shippings

2009-07-06T04:23:36Z

Spideym: Bite me.

Talk:List of shippings

2009-07-06T03:02:29Z

Spideym: /* Shipping */

GAH! The formatting was screwed up when the list was updated...anyone able to help out? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:58, 27 December 2005 (CST)

==Motion to rename to List of shippers==
===Aye (2)===
* Move will bring it in line with the rest of Bulbapedia. This current title can be a meta-article, about the list itself and its evolution. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 11:52, 6 Aug 2005 (CDT)
*Agreed. No need to retain the current title now. Now that there's actually a real place for it with 'pedia, it needs to become more encyclopedic. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 17:59, 6 Aug 2005 (CDT)
*I would advocate giving shippers a wiki of there own, the pokemon or at least anime variety in particular.[[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(saikou tenshi)]] 5:03AM, 7 Nov 2005 (PDT)

===Nay (0)===
*

==Old==
Awwww bugger. Anyone know how to fix the formatting for this page? It doesn't seem to like me at all. Perhaps it's the page length? Over 43kb. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 02:35, 26 Dec 2004 (GMT)

:Holy crap O_o. I never remember there being this many shipping groups. Is there anything that hasn't been shipped. I think I'm still on the webpage for Chaos Rocket's Pallet Shipping group. And Archaic, try line breaks? --[[User:Tenchi-Oak|Tenchi-Oak]] 09:49, 25 Dec 2004 (EST)

::That's all I had. Zhen's fixed it up for me though, so no more problems. Added a quick navigation to the start. Figured that with the list so long thesedays, it'd help to skip to at least the letters of the alphabet. ^^; --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 03:19, 26 Dec 2004 (GMT)

==Suggestions==

In the forum thread for the list, Muka-chan suggested that people add submissions here. So I'll start with one I thought up: FenceShipping, Ash & Misty + Ash & Gary. That is, someone who believes in both PokéShipping and PalletShipping. I used to be one of those poor misguided souls... ^_^ - Ketsuban

Another suggestion from the Ket... SnapShipping should be Ash & Todd. How can it not have a name yet? *is surprised* And of course the Japanese would call it SatoTo'o or To'oSato... Also, RanmaShipping: Todd & Jesse! Because Kappei Yamaguchi is male Ranma, and Megumi Hayashibara is female Ranma! Hahahahahahaha. And shoot, I added these while logged in as Blackjack. *cries* --[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban, NOT BLACKJACK]]

Another couple: CloneBitchShipping (Jessibelle and Misty), and CloneBrocketShipping (Jessibelle and Brock). Both of them were blushing when Jessibelle was talking about whipping James... ~Ket again

More suggestions from Ket because she has some ships that need names:

*IllusoryShipping: Brock and Lokoko
*SubmarineShipping: Hokage and Ruby
*KyogreShipping: Wattson and Flannery

Ket, FenceShipping isn't an original name. You're just reinventing one of the names I coined for them back in the old days. =p Half-breed was the term that got general acceptance BTW.
Also....GAH! Some of the names that have been edited and replaced shouldn't have been changed to their dub ones. Those Ships were meant to be specifically for the Japanese version, and not for the dubs.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 10:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

o_O Why the heck would a ship be specifically for the Japanese version? Can the characters not be involved with each other if they are speaking English? -ket

Cases where people feel that the hints weren't carried over to the dub, or where the feeling of the relationship has changed significantly. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 21:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Who cares if the hints weren't carried over? Most of the shippers ''I'' know don't care about hints. And just which pairings are you talking about, anyway? -ketz

'nother suggestion: TrickShipping as Tabitha & Shizuku. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

お久しぶりだね、兄弟。The ancient one is right, Half-breeds is indeed the correct term. I'd like to advocate a complete shipper history and, just for the sake of situations such as these, a shipper dictionary of terms. How about it? Marc is already aware of what we'd like to do. And for the love, open the list up to the general public. Are you so afraid of repraisals? I mean, you're going to heavily moderate that one anyway, right, Liam? [[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(Most High Heaven Messenger)]] 5:13AM, 7 Nov 2005 (PDT)

Since when does "Psycho Tenshi" mean "Most High Heaven Messenger"? =p So who are you exactly anyway?
A Shippers glossary would certainly be a helpful addition to 'pedia. You want to write it, go ahead.
And as for opening up the list....no. There's far too many frivolous names on there anyway. The list was never meant to be a name for everything people came up with off the top of their head, only a name for every ship that people had actually actively used in fanfics/fanart/fandom discussions/etc --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 07:32, 7 November 2005 (CST)

Since I became a Cleric. >:P There are no kanji in FFXI names（ローマ字だけ）, so I prefer to katakanaize all player character names i mention from it, including my own. This is my own convention because of circumstances. My JP friends usually prefer ro-maji, but this isn't always useful. Especially when we correspond in english, I'll usually katakanaize a person's name being discussed or add a non-romanized honorific suffix so that my friend doesn't get confused. i considered going with 最高 here, but the double entendre was my initial reason for taking this alias in the first place (and a vain hope to avoid overt vanity). If you know who I am, then you'd know that allegory is of my favorites. Ironic, that. sai = most kou = high ten = heaven shi = messenger. If you want to get literal, Supreme Angel. In angelology, this would be Seraphim or Archangels. Michael and Gabriel are said to be part of this order, but then again so is The Deciever of the Entire World. To quote Raogrimm, we have the potential to be either that greater good or greater evil.

Forgive me for babbling. I don't know if I will take up these tasks. The matters of the true world are more pressing at this time. I have a role to play which supercedes games and forums, and is in fact a matter of life and death. If you want to go off topic, I believe you know my email.

And for the sake of my sentimental heart... ReunionShipper, please!
「出逢いと同じ数別れがあるのなら
ふたたび会える日を僕らは信じよう」

--[[User:サイコウ天使|「サイコウ天使」(Crazy Angel)]] 7:06PM, 7 November 2005 (PST)

* Additions: GymcestShipper - May/Max/Caroline/Norman
* HottieShipper - Ash/Daisy/Violet/Lily
* CascadeShipper - Ash/Misty/Daisy/Violet/Lily
* AbilityShipper - Ash/Anabel
* PsydragonShipper - Latias/Latios/Bianca
* SquintShipper - Brock/Lucy
* ThreewayShipper - Norman/Caroline/Petalburg City's Nurse Joy

Hey! I got a good one!

IceBeamShipping - Paul's Weavile & Dawn's Buneary

This shipping's starting to become infamous since I put up a Pokemon/BW crossover on DeviantArt. Whaddya think? --[[User:Paul'sDialga]] 8:15 PM; 9/24/08

==Um...==
Why is this protected? I wanted to move this to [[List of shippers]], as the current name is unencyclopedic. — [[User:Jellochuu|Jellochuu]][[User talk:Jellochuu|¾]] 22:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Because the (In)Complete List of Shippers is less an article made specifically for Bulbagarden, and more an article hosted by Bulbagarden. Treat it like you'd treat a game walkthrough that the creator would allow to be posted as long as it wasn't edited.
The real reason it was protected though however was so that the Shippers Community could have more control over what names are accepted as being the "official" ship names, preventing edit-wars.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 09:32, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would like to join! May I? How do I?--[[User:Paul'sDialga|Paul'sDialga]]

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>* SahaShipper - A flaming, militant supporter of Advanceshipping
Why is that listed under Ships Involving Real People? They're not paired with anyone...

While I would assume that person meant it as a ship between a person and their own ship, you're right, it should be under the main list as an alternate name, like GakiShipping.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 10:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Flamebait Ships==
What the hell is this? "UrineShipper - Ledian_X & his toilet " Who made it? I never heard of it. Tempted to edit it out.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 17:12, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I don't know who added that Ship, or several others like it, but I know they weren't there when I last did a full update, which means it's one of you guys who's put it in. Unless there's a *very* good historical reason to include ships like this (And in which case, it should have the historical context mentioned in a note on the list itself), it should never have been approved for addition to the list in the first place. This is disgraceful. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 23:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

>Should there even be ships listed in there that don't involve Pokemon characters at all? I mean, I know some of it's kitchy fandom, but where do you draw the line? Should the site cover ships that are only vaugely related to Pokemon through tenuous links via real people and unrelated other people and objects? I propose that if we DO keep the ships that have nothing to do with Pokemon and characters besides links to people who are fans of Pokemon - that they at least be regulated to a page on their own. I just don't think someone who goes "OMG! Damian and Mozz need to do eachother!" or "Rachil Lils would totally go for the Japanese voice actor of Kasumi!" deserves their own sections of the Bulbapedia, since it's not really related to Pokemon except in aroundabout way.

- Zeta

I don't think that any ships that don't involve Pokémon characters should be listed on the site. It's completely unprofessional and has nothing to do with the franchise. I mean, ships involving members of the fandom are bad enough, but why are completely unrelated pairings, like Inuyasha/Jakotsu, listed? That needs to be on an Inuyasha site, ''not'' a Pokémon encyclopedia. If you ''must'' have ships involving members of the fandom, at least put them on a separate page in the People category so that people looking for actual character ships aren't forced to dig through that other garbage. Sorry for my harsh words, but I am honestly getting fed up with the amount of non-Pokémon/unimportant fandom content going into this encyclopedia. -[[User:Argy|Argy]]

==Misspellings==
*jesse (jessie)
*nidoran(f) (nidoran♀)
*nidoran(m) (nidoran♂)
*pokemon (pokémon)
*seperated (separated)
- [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 05:07, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Urineshipping ==

may i ask what is Urineshipping

Please read the relevant discussion above, or speak to the participants in it. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

==Thing==

I made a [[Template:NCS|template]] that I thought might be useful for certain articles after Meowth brought up the fact that one of the shipping articles I'd made might be offensive to some. I considered applying it to the list article, but since it's protected I figured I should ask what everyone else thinks first. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 19:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:Go ahead and add it. There's quite a lot of offensive names on there.
:While we're at it....we really need to update this list again. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 09:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Yoshi/Dani/Jackson ==

These need to be updated to Jimmy, Marina, and Jackson/Vincent. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:51, 8 November 2005 (CST)

----
I notice this page is very long but doesn't have a few ships, especially with the DP characters. I guess there's not a big following now in America, but in Japan they're everywhere. So that might be part of the problem, because there might not be an American name yet.

I also wondered, maybe we could organize the article into more common ships (PokéShipping, Palletshipping, etc) and the ones that are just... really, really obscure. There might also need to be a section for ships that are a little bit more... you know, PG-13, and we could move the warning at the top to just that article (anything with incest, urine, etc...)

Anyway, here's a list of ships that I think need to be added:
* Ash x Dawn
* Paul x Dawn
* Silver x Jasmine
* Lucas x Cynthia
* Roark x Gardenia
* Volkner x Jasmine
* Volkner x Roark
* Morty x Falkner
* Lucian x Aaron
* Flint x Lucian (usually unrequitted)
* Silver x Gold -- I think "Silver" is currently listed as "Black" for some reason
* Gold x Red
*etc Unsigned comment by {{u|Greengiant}}

:The problem is that, while Luna Tiger maintains the list on BMGf, no one has updated this version of the list for over a year. That means that any ships created since then, including all the DP ships, are not reflected in it. I am a bit busy with real life at the moment but I will take a look at it on Sunday if no one updates it before then. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

::The ''big'' problem is that our shipping section is ''extremely'' neglected now that it's in a separate namespace. I don't even want to touch some of those articles because they're disgustingly bad. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 19:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, that's more of an overall thing. This list can be dealt with easier. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting the update now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
And I'm done. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to add an {{oversized article notice}} to this page (because in all honesty folks, it is) but it seems that I'm too low on the ladder to edit this particular page... [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]]

Much agreed on the above statement of including Silver x Jasmine. --[[User:Crazy Packers Fan|Crazy Packers Fan]] 01:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== InfaRedShipping? ==

OMG, I HATE this shipping! It's totally disgusting! Why must there be gay shippings like this? There's GalaxyShipping, Saturn x Cyrus, SinfulShipping, Mars x Jupiter, and then InfaRedShipping which is Dawn x MARS! I think this is the worse of the gay shippings because of the heee-uge age difference. Blech.[[User:Saturn's Girl|Saturn's Girl]] 13:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)♥♥♥[[User:Saturn's Girl|Saturn's Girl]] 13:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:Some people like paring up random characters...Heh, i'm guilty of that *pairs up many Naruto characters*. But i don't think this is the kind-of comment for a talk page... D; and please sign your posts. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Crossovers? ==

Can this page include crossover shippings? Like, say, for example someone from Pokémon and someone from Digimon? Just wondering (even though i do support a '''crack''' Pokémon/Naruto shipping xD) [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:We already have a section on the page called "Crossover/Non-Pokémon Ships". They include crossover ships, including some involving the main characters of two different shows. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dawn/Jun? ==

Please forgive me if this isn't the place to ask, I honestly don't know where to go to ask. >_> I was just wondering if a shipping for Dawn/Jun or Platina/Pearl had been created yet? ....Thanks.... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 20:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:Dawn/Jun = TwinLeafShipping. No idea for Platina/Pearl. I was going to make TwinLeafShipping after the next anime episode.....'''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 21:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thank you for the answer. ..And what do you mean by 'make', do you mean a shipping article? Sorry if I come off as clueless... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 01:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:Yes. And it's alright being clueless. '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 19:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

::For the record, Pearl/Platina is Haughtyshipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

==Pokémon Ranger==

Does anyone know the Shipping names for

*[[Kellyn]] & [[Kate (Ranger)|Kate]]
*[[Keith (Ranger)|Keith]] & Kate

please tell me!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Madch94|Madch94]] ([[User talk:Madch94|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madch94|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Almiashipping is Kellyn and Kate, and Keith/Kate is nameless. By the way, don't "correct" timestamps. It makes people mad. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, sorry! And thank you! [[User:Madch94|Madch94]] 12:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shipping ==

These are some ships there should be:
Poemshipping - Gary and Dawn
Shortshipping - (hahaha) Gary and professer Oak.
BTW, what are the LINKS for Gary and Umbreon, Gary and Paul, and Gary and Morty? THANKS!
Yeah. I am a palletshipper. Duh. I also don't think homosexuality is wrong. My sister is lesbian, and she's had boy and girl relashionships romantically. Peace love palletshipping - garyplusash
:Gary/Dawn is Cavaliershipping (which we have an article on) and Oak/Gary is already Grandson or Grandpashipping. Gary/Umbreon is Darkshipping, Gary/Paul is Darkstreakshipping, and Gary/Morty is Darkpactshipping. ...Theme'd? Course not. And you should ALWAYS sign your comments with the four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, and not just type out your username. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...Grandpashipping? WTF? Why do we have to list sick shippings that support something as disgusting and just plain wrong as incest AND pedophilia (Gary is underaged)!? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 03:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Um ==

Why are we listing ships that aren't even Pokémon related? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Because they proceed the eventual Pokémon-only case. We keep them because, once upon a time, they were still once apart of the list, and if they aren't there, they aren't anywhere else. Not an issue. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Links? ==

I'm going to go ahead and sift through the list and add links to the shipping pages. I can't be the only one who'd like to know what shipping pages we have or don't have. I'm just wondering, do I link to the 'Warning, this page contains....' page or to the actual ship page? -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 16:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, if your goal is to link ''all'' of the ships on the page, you're best off holding off, lest you want {{u|Kenji-girl}} reverting you in fury. For starters, only a small handful of ships are notable for articles--I highly doubt a "Brock'sWoodenSausageShipping" (a Sudowoodo and the wooden sausage Brock carved up back in Johto) article would last long. Additionally, this list is horribly out of date, as it's accurate only to May 22, 200'''7''', more than two years ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think he means adding the articles we already have to the list, and no so much making with the vagrant redlinks everywhere. Except the page is protected, and when it is updated, the process will have to be done all over again, with the relinking. It's not worth the effort. If they want to know what 'ships we have articles on, the easiest was would just be to go to {{cat|Shipping}}. ...Not that that helps identify which is which without clicking elsewhere. Hmmm. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== TOC ==

I suggest that this page use something like this: (hidden). It's a bit better to look at. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 16:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

History of the Pokémon world

2009-06-23T01:14:35Z

Spideym: /* Timeline */

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]] as it is known to us today. Nobody knows if such legends are true or not, but there are many clues in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Below is a timeline of events in the history of the Pokémon world, primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon game]]s since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events]] for the [[Pokémon anime]].

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Sinnoh]] and [[Hoenn]] regions.

* In a void of nothingness, a single {{pkmn|egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon to be in existence. Arceus creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and possibly {{p|Giratina}}, which appeared among the two, and Arceus then gives Dialga and Palkia the abilities to control time and space. Giratina, for its violent behavior, is banished to [[Distortion World|another dimension]]. Then, during very early formation of the world, possibly sooner, Arceus creates {{p|Azelf}}, {{p|Uxie}}, and {{p|Mesprit}} to create willpower, knowledge, and emotion respectively, things that are in all modern humans and Pokémon. They dive to the bottom of present-day [[Lake Valor]], [[Lake Acuity]], and [[Lake Verity]], respectively, dubbing the team "the lake trio". Around this time, {{p|Mew}} came into being by itself, containing the DNA of every Pokémon to exist and exist in the future.

*{{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, from magma, {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]]. Groudon and Kyogre then proceed to create landmass and fill the sea, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Earth begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Groudon and Kyogre to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The Red and Blue Orbs are created to prevent the reawakening of Groudon and Kyogre, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, Mew may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.

*Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions. The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in lava. Arceus creates the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous Orbs before falling into a never-ending sleep.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil|fossils]] and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

* Millions of years before [[Generation I]]
** Earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] exist. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.
**First humans appeared.
* Stone Age
** Humans gather rocks from various locations and use them to create {{p|Regirock}}.
* Ice Age
** Humans use ice from the South Pole to create {{p|Regice}}.
** As the climate begins to grow warmer after the Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population decreases.
* Iron Age
** Humans create {{p|Registeel}}. Some researchers believe that it was formed from a special kind of metal not of this planet.
* After the Iron Age
** {{p|Regigigas}} is sealed away in [[Snowpoint Temple]], and {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}} and {{p|Registeel}} are sealed away in the Hoenn region.
* 1500 years before [[Generation I]]
** The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
** The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.
** {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates and becomes weaker.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.

* c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]
** [[Tin Tower]] and [[Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.
* c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]
** The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]].
** The [[Cianwood City#Cianwood City Pharmacy|Cianwood City Pharmacy]] is built.
* c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]
** [[Azalea Town]] in Johto is struck by a long-term drought wave. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
* c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]
** [[Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a pure-hearted [[Pokémon Trainer|Trainer]].
** The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

* 1969
** [[wp:Apollo 11|First humans land on the Moon]].

* 1990s
** The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
** The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
** Cyrus is born and grows up, withdrawing from contact with other people.
** Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:
* Some years prior to [[Generation I]]
** {{p|Mewtwo}} is genetically engineered from {{p|Mew}}, and later escapes and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}}.
** [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's gym]] is declared the official gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
** Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
** The [[Battle Frontier]]s open in Hoenn and Sinnoh.

* [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]: The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], [[Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow]], [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}.
** {{ga|Red}}/{{ga|Leaf}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his/her Pokémon journey after their rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[badge]]s of [[Kanto]], defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he/she challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red/Leaf becomes the [[Pokémon champion|champion]], then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s son/daughter, however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current champion, becoming the champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

* Between [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] and [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]].
** The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]].
** [[Viridian Forest]] is cut down, creating a clear path for trainers.
** Eruption of volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of areas on the island.
** [[Koga]] abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City|Fuchsia]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] [[Gym Leader|Leader]] to his daughter, [[Janine]], for a position among [[Kanto]]'s [[Elite Four]].
** Eventually, Red ends up at [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, and [[Lance]] ends up as the [[champion]]. Blue, dejected, takes the empty [[Viridian Gym|gym]] in [[Viridian City]].
** [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in [[Four Island (town)|Four Island]].
** [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]].
** Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{type2|Dark}}s in the region of Kanto.
** [[Pewter Museum of Science]] is closed for renovations.
** [[Safari Zone Warden]] leaves on a trip, closing down the [[Kanto Safari Zone]].
** [[Miracle Cycle]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
** {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
** Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
** The events of {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}.

* Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] (during [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]): The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], [[Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal]], [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum]], [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, and SoulSilver]].
** {{ga|Gold}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Soul}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Gold/Kris/Soul's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] and as well takes over the [[Johto Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact [[Giovanni]]. As they are defeated, the leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Gold/Kris/Soul continues to gather Johto's badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at the [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After championing it, over a new Elite Four and its previous champion, Lance, Gold/Kris/Soul then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, deep in the caves of where he/she meets and defeats {{ga|Red}}.
** The events of [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]].
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Pearl}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker, (However, in Platinum canon, the Pokémon are received before their journey to the lake) the journey begins in earnest, where both Lucas/Dawn and Pearl challenge the Sinnoh region's eight gyms to gain the badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to re-make the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes champion him/herself.
** [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].
** Meteor strikes Earth, forming two {{p|Deoxys}}.

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[[Category:Pokémon world|* 2]]

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-06-17T21:55:36Z

Spideym: /* About Soul... */

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)
:How about [http://bayimg.com/image/aapfgaabl.jpg this one], or should we just wait for the official individual art from [[Ken Sugimori]] to be released.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you click through to the archives from the image's page, you'll notice that it's already been updated to the official art, taken from the HG/SS official site. There's just something up with the way images are being shown on the 'pedia. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

According to the screen revealed in CoroCoro and Famitsu, Soul seems to be the boy's name... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sigh. You know as well as I do that "Leaf" is among the optional names for Red in LeafGreen, too, don't you? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well. I know that it doesn't indicate anything. But I noted it here to show that the assumption that her name will be "Soul" is nothing more than gunjumping. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew it! her name was going to be Soul just like I predicted in Kris's Talk Page. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we don't know for a fact yet AlienX2008. While there is a 99% chance of her name being Soul (which I am starting to think is her name as opposed to Heart which I previously thought), there is no official word yet. Right now Soul is just her fan-name.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 18:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it Heart? I heard that according to those scans that the Pokemon website has,it has the Gold character with the default name "Soul"? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i hope its Heart. But i'd be ok with Soul. {{unsigned|Golden}}

I personally think this article should be called "Female character (Heart Gold/Soul Silver)" since we don't know her name yet.It's best we avoid misinformation until more is revealed. - seriousexpression
:There would be no point in having an article then. Although I think it is jumping the gun as well, the article does say that it is a fan-made name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::This article may be jumping the gun slightly, maybe, but truly, I'd rather have done it now just in case some dork comes along and wonders where she is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always change it later.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her called Mariko on the Japanese site Pixiv. I haven't heard it anywhere else; is this another fan nickname, or is it official? --[[User:Lime|Lime]] 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== New screenshot ==

Can someone translate what she is saying in the new screenshot, please? This may give us some kind of information about her... [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/joodude/1245089067561.jpg

This one? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. I've tried to translate it, but realized soon enough that translating anything that does not use our alphabet is not for me. I got "Steer!". Please. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::According to the gallery on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} it reads ''"Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== About Soul...==

I know this is simply speculation,but Soul looks a lot like that [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/Playergirl.png girl] that replaces Red if you insert a Crystal cart. with Kris into the game,right? Okay,maybe not a lot but still..Leaf is obviously based off that girl playable character that was left out of the first generation,right? Maybe Soul is based off this girl? If so,could we put it in the article? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:A. This comparison is an opinion, and B. No, because it's an opinion it cannot go into the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh,okay,just making sure. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Sketch: If that's so, then why is the following paragraph in the article:
::"Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is to Kris what Leaf is to Blue: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's Special counterpart Crystal likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and Marina), and currently has brown hair again." -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Jun-Jul 09

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Spideym: /* Leaf? */

{{User:TTEchidna/Archive}}
Can we keep this until August? Maybe all summer? Don't make me archive this so soon...

==Concern==
Should we have the trainers on the Route pages have more information like giving the Pokémon the moves they use? Or would it be bad?
Pros:
*Gives people more information
*Completes the Route more
Cons:
*Tables slow the server
*Makes Bulbapedia more like a guide.
Should I find the moves of the Pokémon and such or leave it be? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, there's no need for ''every'' Trainer in every article that includes Trainers to have the moves known by their Pokémon. The major Trainers only should have that displayed, since they're like boss battles. You don't include information on every attack from the little enemies in other games every place they appear, and so likewise, you don't for the non-major Trainers. Rivals, Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Frontier Brains, Champions, and evil team major members get that. Basically, any Trainer that has a battle and overworld sprite specific to themselves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::So it should stay as it is? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's what he said... In a very long and detailed way ^_^ - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I got side-tracked through all the complex sentences. By the way, Kogoro I have access to Wi-Fi, so all I have to do is get a team together and we can battle. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 11:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wi-Fi ==

Do you have Wi-fi?--[[User:Akaila|Akaila]] 19:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I didn't have Wi-Fi, I'd have no Friend Codes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

So for the new party templates, which should we use for Silver? I’m probably gonna use the SoulSilver like his old templates are silver, but I want your opinion on it. They currently, without the updated sprites and everything, look like this:

{{PartyHeader|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{HeartGold color}}}}

{{PartyHeader|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{SoulSilver color}}}}

I’m currently working with them to see what they would all look like. I'll also need to know what color should be used for the gym leaders and E4. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Use... plain Silver color. Gym and Elite use their type color. Blue uses Blue color. And if they name him as Green in the English versions, Green color. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. I'll eventually get them all ready for the updates. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox hack requests ==

I know that I'm asking for updates on two infoboxes for a Pokémon product that has just been discontinued, but trust me, I know you wouldn't intentionally leave an infobox behind in getting update treatment. The infoboxes in question are {{template|TFG Figure Infobox}} and {{template|TFG Card Infobox}}. I tried hacking them into the newer style myself, but found it too complicated. Since you're the master template hacker, is it too difficult for you to handle? Thanks. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll see what I can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{u|Nuva-kal}} has made a possible idea at [[User:Nuva-kal/TFGInfobox]], if you would like to implement that instead of making a new one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks good. I'll modify that one then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Moves in the anime ==

Are any if you people working on the "moves in the anime" section for all the moves, because on some pages, there's a new template, but on others, it's the old one. I would, but I don't know the format...

Wait, oops, didn't sign. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

:It's {{tt|slowly|very slowly...}} getting done, just like I'm very slowly doing the party templates for some characters. And you have to remember how many moves there are. It's a bit harder than you think to get some of that stuff up there... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not justhow many moves, but how many anime episodes, too. Next announced one is the 600th! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just wanted to make sure it was being done.[[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Don't worry, we're getting to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== Why is my Move button activated? ==

Why is the move button activated on my account? I thought it was suppose to be deactivated since I'm not a mod. Kind of like how if a page is protected the edit this page and + buttons are not activated. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 16:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Normal members can move pages. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::We trust normal members to not be stupid when it comes to moving pages. That trust has been broken at times, though... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Editing ==

So I know that we have limits for how much we can edit userpages and subpages, so I've tried to keep my edits low in my [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Rocket_Admin_Hunter_Blade/Sandbox box of sand.] What I want to know is:
*How much, since I'm readying the templates for HGSS, I can edit it per day. I've kept it below the borderline of 4 so far, but I've needed to get off and on frequently, and I'm trying to get these done {{tt|ASAP|I'll be gone for a month and a half without a computer to work on and won't get back till mid or late August}} so I have time to do the party templates for other pages.
*Would it be possible for me to make as many edits as I needed to if I move the templates to a specific page for only them?
*Could you eventually lock all of the GenII Kanto and the Johto gym leaders' pages, along with Silver's and the E4/Lance's pages so that people don't try to add crappy templates and mess up the coding already there?
'''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If it's a sandbox page, go for it but don't be ridiculous about it. Intended mainspace templates can be as many edits as you want. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. And don't worry. I won't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== templates ==

hy you. are you good at wiki syntax for templates?
on [[:de:Vorlage:Effizienz-Tabelle|pokewiki]] i have build a similar template to your Type effectiveness... but i can only use 5 or less of this on one page.. could you look to optimate it? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Where would you need to use five of them on the page? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Guess Who ==

ok first go to my talkpage for my full sorriness. Second how do you get your signature like that, where do you put in the coding? and Finally, where do you create usetags? [[User:Totojo158|totoRulz'''[[User:Totojo158|''toto'']][[User talk:Totojo158|Rulz]]''']] 20:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Make sure you have the raw signatures box checked off. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not just that, you gotta not use crappy HTML in it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== I need help ==
Do you know of an image of the RPGwiki logo?[[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 04:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:[[a:File:RPGwiki logo.png|Here ya go]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Berry Locations ==

A looooong time back (December, 2007) you made a large group of edits to different pages about berries. You did a lot of reformatting, organized it more, and added some new info. Among the places to obtain the berries (under Gen. III) you put the pickup ability for a lot - if not all - of them. You put Emerald and FR/LG for a lot. However, there are absolutely no berries that can obtained this way in Emerald; you must have been confused. Just wanted to let you know about this little mistake. [[User:Timeroot|Timeroot]] [[User talk:Timeroot|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timeroot|Contribs]]] 00:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:Being that it's so long ago... I say meh to reminding me of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== PW-Box ==

yes it looks like ... but
#the notes in the PW-box are automatic from the type and the ability.
#you need no newfire or oldghost entry because it will calc automaticly
# the same as the ic in the rows

look: [[:de:Vorlage:Typ_effizienz]] ... so you only need the type and not the values for fire,water, gras, etc ---[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 10:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:But that's the point: either you enter stuff manually or the amount of calculations is too much for the server and thus the template crashes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it is possible to do both? i dont get parameters i should calc, i get parameter, i "dont" calc. ? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::What you seem to want to do is use the types and abilities entered into the template to calculate the type effectiveness. That's all good for most Pokémon, but since Arceus uses the template 17 times, it's inefficient. What mine does is autocalculates based on the effectiveness we have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::and i mean if the template it can both .... or need I a second template?--[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 20:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Calc + manual = bad. Just use the manual method of doing it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== New templates? ==

Care if I make templates for Trainer lists on Trainer class pages (such as [[Cool Trainer]] or [[Bug Catcher]])? In my opinion the current lists look very ugly, and I want to make them better. :] '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:You mean like [[User talk:Clarky13/Sandbox/tcsprites|this]]?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it looks nice, but what will you do if a trainer have a male and a female form? what do you think about [[:de:Ass-Trainer_(Trainerklasse)]] --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]]
:::Not the place Hanmac.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm still working out the kinks.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::He probably means the list of locations where they can be found. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 11:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I meant the location list. I chose the examples badly as it seems that the Cool Trainer page doesn't have such a list at all. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahhhh... I see.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Teehee. Hanmac said "Ass". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, shall I start designing new templates? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime dex entries ==

It's ok to start adding anime dex entries from [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]]'s [[User:Theryguy512/Anime_Dex_Project|project]] into Pokémon articles? ([[User_talk:Theryguy512#Anime dex entries|He confirmed, but asked me to confirm with you also.]]) - [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] • 狐[[User talk:RikkiKitsune|リッキ]] 13:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:As long as you italicize the ''Advanced Generation'' series and ''Diamond & Pearl'' series. AND MAKE SURE TO USE AN & FOR THE DP SERIES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Synopses ==

Should episode synopses be in present or past tense? I've seen both, and I think they should all be one way or the other. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Present tense, It's a sypnosis on a day on which Ash and his friend were present.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::But it happened in the past. Do we tell stories in present tense? Usually not. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 08:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Past tense that crap. Plz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I've created a new template in my [[User:Galladeon/Sandbox|sandbox]] for this. Should I make it official? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Eh. Really you could change it yourself... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::In my opinion the synopses sound more natural when they're in present tense. I also think that most synopses already written are in present tense, so if they'd be converted, it would take a long time. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Whichever flows better. If it works in the present tense, work it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf? ==

When did Nintendo officially state that Leaf is loosely based on Blue? How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for FRLG? - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Because she ''is'' the ''used'' player character of FRLG. As for being based on the unused female from RGBY, that's who Blue herself is based on. Since the unused girl didn't have a name, Blue's the closest we've got, especially considering that promo art Sugimori did that was reused by Special... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oops. Meant to write "How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for RGBY?".
::But if the Blue part in the Soul article refers to the unused girl for RG, then why does it link to Pokémon Special's Blue? - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Jun-Jul 09

2009-06-15T16:20:27Z

Spideym: /* Leaf? */

{{User:TTEchidna/Archive}}
Can we keep this until August? Maybe all summer? Don't make me archive this so soon...

==Concern==
Should we have the trainers on the Route pages have more information like giving the Pokémon the moves they use? Or would it be bad?
Pros:
*Gives people more information
*Completes the Route more
Cons:
*Tables slow the server
*Makes Bulbapedia more like a guide.
Should I find the moves of the Pokémon and such or leave it be? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, there's no need for ''every'' Trainer in every article that includes Trainers to have the moves known by their Pokémon. The major Trainers only should have that displayed, since they're like boss battles. You don't include information on every attack from the little enemies in other games every place they appear, and so likewise, you don't for the non-major Trainers. Rivals, Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Frontier Brains, Champions, and evil team major members get that. Basically, any Trainer that has a battle and overworld sprite specific to themselves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::So it should stay as it is? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's what he said... In a very long and detailed way ^_^ - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I got side-tracked through all the complex sentences. By the way, Kogoro I have access to Wi-Fi, so all I have to do is get a team together and we can battle. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 11:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wi-Fi ==

Do you have Wi-fi?--[[User:Akaila|Akaila]] 19:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I didn't have Wi-Fi, I'd have no Friend Codes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

So for the new party templates, which should we use for Silver? I’m probably gonna use the SoulSilver like his old templates are silver, but I want your opinion on it. They currently, without the updated sprites and everything, look like this:

{{PartyHeader|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{HeartGold color}}}}

{{PartyHeader|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{SoulSilver color}}}}

I’m currently working with them to see what they would all look like. I'll also need to know what color should be used for the gym leaders and E4. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Use... plain Silver color. Gym and Elite use their type color. Blue uses Blue color. And if they name him as Green in the English versions, Green color. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. I'll eventually get them all ready for the updates. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox hack requests ==

I know that I'm asking for updates on two infoboxes for a Pokémon product that has just been discontinued, but trust me, I know you wouldn't intentionally leave an infobox behind in getting update treatment. The infoboxes in question are {{template|TFG Figure Infobox}} and {{template|TFG Card Infobox}}. I tried hacking them into the newer style myself, but found it too complicated. Since you're the master template hacker, is it too difficult for you to handle? Thanks. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll see what I can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{u|Nuva-kal}} has made a possible idea at [[User:Nuva-kal/TFGInfobox]], if you would like to implement that instead of making a new one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks good. I'll modify that one then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Moves in the anime ==

Are any if you people working on the "moves in the anime" section for all the moves, because on some pages, there's a new template, but on others, it's the old one. I would, but I don't know the format...

Wait, oops, didn't sign. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

:It's {{tt|slowly|very slowly...}} getting done, just like I'm very slowly doing the party templates for some characters. And you have to remember how many moves there are. It's a bit harder than you think to get some of that stuff up there... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not justhow many moves, but how many anime episodes, too. Next announced one is the 600th! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just wanted to make sure it was being done.[[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Don't worry, we're getting to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== Why is my Move button activated? ==

Why is the move button activated on my account? I thought it was suppose to be deactivated since I'm not a mod. Kind of like how if a page is protected the edit this page and + buttons are not activated. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 16:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Normal members can move pages. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::We trust normal members to not be stupid when it comes to moving pages. That trust has been broken at times, though... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Editing ==

So I know that we have limits for how much we can edit userpages and subpages, so I've tried to keep my edits low in my [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Rocket_Admin_Hunter_Blade/Sandbox box of sand.] What I want to know is:
*How much, since I'm readying the templates for HGSS, I can edit it per day. I've kept it below the borderline of 4 so far, but I've needed to get off and on frequently, and I'm trying to get these done {{tt|ASAP|I'll be gone for a month and a half without a computer to work on and won't get back till mid or late August}} so I have time to do the party templates for other pages.
*Would it be possible for me to make as many edits as I needed to if I move the templates to a specific page for only them?
*Could you eventually lock all of the GenII Kanto and the Johto gym leaders' pages, along with Silver's and the E4/Lance's pages so that people don't try to add crappy templates and mess up the coding already there?
'''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If it's a sandbox page, go for it but don't be ridiculous about it. Intended mainspace templates can be as many edits as you want. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. And don't worry. I won't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== templates ==

hy you. are you good at wiki syntax for templates?
on [[:de:Vorlage:Effizienz-Tabelle|pokewiki]] i have build a similar template to your Type effectiveness... but i can only use 5 or less of this on one page.. could you look to optimate it? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Where would you need to use five of them on the page? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Guess Who ==

ok first go to my talkpage for my full sorriness. Second how do you get your signature like that, where do you put in the coding? and Finally, where do you create usetags? [[User:Totojo158|totoRulz'''[[User:Totojo158|''toto'']][[User talk:Totojo158|Rulz]]''']] 20:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Make sure you have the raw signatures box checked off. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not just that, you gotta not use crappy HTML in it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== I need help ==
Do you know of an image of the RPGwiki logo?[[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 04:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:[[a:File:RPGwiki logo.png|Here ya go]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Berry Locations ==

A looooong time back (December, 2007) you made a large group of edits to different pages about berries. You did a lot of reformatting, organized it more, and added some new info. Among the places to obtain the berries (under Gen. III) you put the pickup ability for a lot - if not all - of them. You put Emerald and FR/LG for a lot. However, there are absolutely no berries that can obtained this way in Emerald; you must have been confused. Just wanted to let you know about this little mistake. [[User:Timeroot|Timeroot]] [[User talk:Timeroot|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timeroot|Contribs]]] 00:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:Being that it's so long ago... I say meh to reminding me of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== PW-Box ==

yes it looks like ... but
#the notes in the PW-box are automatic from the type and the ability.
#you need no newfire or oldghost entry because it will calc automaticly
# the same as the ic in the rows

look: [[:de:Vorlage:Typ_effizienz]] ... so you only need the type and not the values for fire,water, gras, etc ---[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 10:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:But that's the point: either you enter stuff manually or the amount of calculations is too much for the server and thus the template crashes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it is possible to do both? i dont get parameters i should calc, i get parameter, i "dont" calc. ? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::What you seem to want to do is use the types and abilities entered into the template to calculate the type effectiveness. That's all good for most Pokémon, but since Arceus uses the template 17 times, it's inefficient. What mine does is autocalculates based on the effectiveness we have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::and i mean if the template it can both .... or need I a second template?--[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 20:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Calc + manual = bad. Just use the manual method of doing it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== New templates? ==

Care if I make templates for Trainer lists on Trainer class pages (such as [[Cool Trainer]] or [[Bug Catcher]])? In my opinion the current lists look very ugly, and I want to make them better. :] '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:You mean like [[User talk:Clarky13/Sandbox/tcsprites|this]]?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it looks nice, but what will you do if a trainer have a male and a female form? what do you think about [[:de:Ass-Trainer_(Trainerklasse)]] --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]]
:::Not the place Hanmac.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm still working out the kinks.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::He probably means the list of locations where they can be found. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 11:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I meant the location list. I chose the examples badly as it seems that the Cool Trainer page doesn't have such a list at all. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahhhh... I see.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Teehee. Hanmac said "Ass". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, shall I start designing new templates? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime dex entries ==

It's ok to start adding anime dex entries from [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]]'s [[User:Theryguy512/Anime_Dex_Project|project]] into Pokémon articles? ([[User_talk:Theryguy512#Anime dex entries|He confirmed, but asked me to confirm with you also.]]) - [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] • 狐[[User talk:RikkiKitsune|リッキ]] 13:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:As long as you italicize the ''Advanced Generation'' series and ''Diamond & Pearl'' series. AND MAKE SURE TO USE AN & FOR THE DP SERIES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Synopses ==

Should episode synopses be in present or past tense? I've seen both, and I think they should all be one way or the other. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Present tense, It's a sypnosis on a day on which Ash and his friend were present.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::But it happened in the past. Do we tell stories in present tense? Usually not. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 08:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Past tense that crap. Plz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I've created a new template in my [[User:Galladeon/Sandbox|sandbox]] for this. Should I make it official? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Eh. Really you could change it yourself... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::In my opinion the synopses sound more natural when they're in present tense. I also think that most synopses already written are in present tense, so if they'd be converted, it would take a long time. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf? ==

When did Nintendo officially state that Leaf is loosely based on Blue? How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for FRLG? - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Jun-Jul 09

2009-06-15T16:19:55Z

Spideym: /* Leaf? */ new section

{{User:TTEchidna/Archive}}
Can we keep this until August? Maybe all summer? Don't make me archive this so soon...

==Concern==
Should we have the trainers on the Route pages have more information like giving the Pokémon the moves they use? Or would it be bad?
Pros:
*Gives people more information
*Completes the Route more
Cons:
*Tables slow the server
*Makes Bulbapedia more like a guide.
Should I find the moves of the Pokémon and such or leave it be? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, there's no need for ''every'' Trainer in every article that includes Trainers to have the moves known by their Pokémon. The major Trainers only should have that displayed, since they're like boss battles. You don't include information on every attack from the little enemies in other games every place they appear, and so likewise, you don't for the non-major Trainers. Rivals, Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Frontier Brains, Champions, and evil team major members get that. Basically, any Trainer that has a battle and overworld sprite specific to themselves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::So it should stay as it is? [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 19:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's what he said... In a very long and detailed way ^_^ - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I got side-tracked through all the complex sentences. By the way, Kogoro I have access to Wi-Fi, so all I have to do is get a team together and we can battle. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 11:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wi-Fi ==

Do you have Wi-fi?--[[User:Akaila|Akaila]] 19:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I didn't have Wi-Fi, I'd have no Friend Codes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

So for the new party templates, which should we use for Silver? I’m probably gonna use the SoulSilver like his old templates are silver, but I want your opinion on it. They currently, without the updated sprites and everything, look like this:

{{PartyHeader|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{HeartGold color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{HeartGold color}}}}

{{PartyHeader|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite=Silver_Sprite_GS.gif|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|????]]|class=[[Rival]]|name=Silver|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}|location=[[Cherrygrove City]]}}{{PartyBody21|color={{SoulSilver color}}|sprite1=Spr 2g 155.png|p1=Cyndaquil|gender1=♂|level1=5|types1=1|type11=Fire|p1m1=Tackle|p1m1t=Normal|p1m2=Leer|p1m2t=Normal|item1=None}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{SoulSilver color}}}}

I’m currently working with them to see what they would all look like. I'll also need to know what color should be used for the gym leaders and E4. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Use... plain Silver color. Gym and Elite use their type color. Blue uses Blue color. And if they name him as Green in the English versions, Green color. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. I'll eventually get them all ready for the updates. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox hack requests ==

I know that I'm asking for updates on two infoboxes for a Pokémon product that has just been discontinued, but trust me, I know you wouldn't intentionally leave an infobox behind in getting update treatment. The infoboxes in question are {{template|TFG Figure Infobox}} and {{template|TFG Card Infobox}}. I tried hacking them into the newer style myself, but found it too complicated. Since you're the master template hacker, is it too difficult for you to handle? Thanks. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll see what I can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::{{u|Nuva-kal}} has made a possible idea at [[User:Nuva-kal/TFGInfobox]], if you would like to implement that instead of making a new one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks good. I'll modify that one then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Moves in the anime ==

Are any if you people working on the "moves in the anime" section for all the moves, because on some pages, there's a new template, but on others, it's the old one. I would, but I don't know the format...

Wait, oops, didn't sign. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

:It's {{tt|slowly|very slowly...}} getting done, just like I'm very slowly doing the party templates for some characters. And you have to remember how many moves there are. It's a bit harder than you think to get some of that stuff up there... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not justhow many moves, but how many anime episodes, too. Next announced one is the 600th! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just wanted to make sure it was being done.[[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 21:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Don't worry, we're getting to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== Why is my Move button activated? ==

Why is the move button activated on my account? I thought it was suppose to be deactivated since I'm not a mod. Kind of like how if a page is protected the edit this page and + buttons are not activated. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 16:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Normal members can move pages. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::We trust normal members to not be stupid when it comes to moving pages. That trust has been broken at times, though... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Editing ==

So I know that we have limits for how much we can edit userpages and subpages, so I've tried to keep my edits low in my [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Rocket_Admin_Hunter_Blade/Sandbox box of sand.] What I want to know is:
*How much, since I'm readying the templates for HGSS, I can edit it per day. I've kept it below the borderline of 4 so far, but I've needed to get off and on frequently, and I'm trying to get these done {{tt|ASAP|I'll be gone for a month and a half without a computer to work on and won't get back till mid or late August}} so I have time to do the party templates for other pages.
*Would it be possible for me to make as many edits as I needed to if I move the templates to a specific page for only them?
*Could you eventually lock all of the GenII Kanto and the Johto gym leaders' pages, along with Silver's and the E4/Lance's pages so that people don't try to add crappy templates and mess up the coding already there?
'''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If it's a sandbox page, go for it but don't be ridiculous about it. Intended mainspace templates can be as many edits as you want. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. And don't worry. I won't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== templates ==

hy you. are you good at wiki syntax for templates?
on [[:de:Vorlage:Effizienz-Tabelle|pokewiki]] i have build a similar template to your Type effectiveness... but i can only use 5 or less of this on one page.. could you look to optimate it? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Where would you need to use five of them on the page? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Guess Who ==

ok first go to my talkpage for my full sorriness. Second how do you get your signature like that, where do you put in the coding? and Finally, where do you create usetags? [[User:Totojo158|totoRulz'''[[User:Totojo158|''toto'']][[User talk:Totojo158|Rulz]]''']] 20:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Make sure you have the raw signatures box checked off. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not just that, you gotta not use crappy HTML in it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== I need help ==
Do you know of an image of the RPGwiki logo?[[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 04:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:[[a:File:RPGwiki logo.png|Here ya go]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Berry Locations ==

A looooong time back (December, 2007) you made a large group of edits to different pages about berries. You did a lot of reformatting, organized it more, and added some new info. Among the places to obtain the berries (under Gen. III) you put the pickup ability for a lot - if not all - of them. You put Emerald and FR/LG for a lot. However, there are absolutely no berries that can obtained this way in Emerald; you must have been confused. Just wanted to let you know about this little mistake. [[User:Timeroot|Timeroot]] [[User talk:Timeroot|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timeroot|Contribs]]] 00:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:Being that it's so long ago... I say meh to reminding me of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== PW-Box ==

yes it looks like ... but
#the notes in the PW-box are automatic from the type and the ability.
#you need no newfire or oldghost entry because it will calc automaticly
# the same as the ic in the rows

look: [[:de:Vorlage:Typ_effizienz]] ... so you only need the type and not the values for fire,water, gras, etc ---[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 10:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:But that's the point: either you enter stuff manually or the amount of calculations is too much for the server and thus the template crashes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it is possible to do both? i dont get parameters i should calc, i get parameter, i "dont" calc. ? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::What you seem to want to do is use the types and abilities entered into the template to calculate the type effectiveness. That's all good for most Pokémon, but since Arceus uses the template 17 times, it's inefficient. What mine does is autocalculates based on the effectiveness we have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::and i mean if the template it can both .... or need I a second template?--[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 20:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Calc + manual = bad. Just use the manual method of doing it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== New templates? ==

Care if I make templates for Trainer lists on Trainer class pages (such as [[Cool Trainer]] or [[Bug Catcher]])? In my opinion the current lists look very ugly, and I want to make them better. :] '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:You mean like [[User talk:Clarky13/Sandbox/tcsprites|this]]?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::it looks nice, but what will you do if a trainer have a male and a female form? what do you think about [[:de:Ass-Trainer_(Trainerklasse)]] --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]]
:::Not the place Hanmac.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm still working out the kinks.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::He probably means the list of locations where they can be found. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 11:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I meant the location list. I chose the examples badly as it seems that the Cool Trainer page doesn't have such a list at all. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahhhh... I see.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Teehee. Hanmac said "Ass". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, shall I start designing new templates? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime dex entries ==

It's ok to start adding anime dex entries from [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]]'s [[User:Theryguy512/Anime_Dex_Project|project]] into Pokémon articles? ([[User_talk:Theryguy512#Anime dex entries|He confirmed, but asked me to confirm with you also.]]) - [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] • 狐[[User talk:RikkiKitsune|リッキ]] 13:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:As long as you italicize the ''Advanced Generation'' series and ''Diamond & Pearl'' series. AND MAKE SURE TO USE AN & FOR THE DP SERIES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Synopses ==

Should episode synopses be in present or past tense? I've seen both, and I think they should all be one way or the other. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Present tense, It's a sypnosis on a day on which Ash and his friend were present.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::But it happened in the past. Do we tell stories in present tense? Usually not. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 08:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Past tense that crap. Plz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I've created a new template in my [[User:Galladeon/Sandbox|sandbox]] for this. Should I make it official? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Eh. Really you could change it yourself... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::In my opinion the synopses sound more natural when they're in present tense. I also think that most synopses already written are in present tense, so if they'd be converted, it would take a long time. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf? ==

When did Nintendo officially state that Leaf is loosely based on Blue? How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for FRLG?

Lyra (game)

2009-06-15T16:02:56Z

Spideym: We aren't even sure if Leaf is based on Blue =_= For all we know, Leaf could be based on the unused female protagonist for Red/Green, whom Blue is based on

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'''Soul''' (Japanese: '''ソウル''' ''Soul'') is the female [[player character]] in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the counterpart to {{ga|Gold}} in the same games. She is a young girl who lives with her mother in [[New Bark Town]].
[[File:Goldandsoul.png|thumb|left|Soul speaking with [[Gold (game)|Gold]]]]
Currently, this is the only known information about her, and details of any and all changed plots in HeartGold and SoulSilver from the original Gold and Silver are nonexistent at the current time. Her name, likewise, is unknown, but assumed to follow the pattern that {{ga|Leaf}} does in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, as Leaf is named after the prefix of the second version, while her {{ga|Red|male counterpart}} is named for the primary original version and her {{ga|Blue|rival}} is named for the secondary original version.

Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's {{pkmn|Special}} counterpart {{special|Crystal}} likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and {{jo|Marina}}), and currently has brown hair again. Given this ambiguity, as well as a lack of information on HeartGold and SoulSilver currently, this article will remain until a potential confirmation of Soul's identity. Soul can be seen talking with [[Gold (game)|Gold]] in [[New Bark Town]] at the start off the game. In this particular scene, she is seen with a {{p|Marill}}. It is still unknown if she will always have Marill or if the Pokémon will change if another [[Starter Pokémon]] is selected.

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[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Playable characters]]
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Lyra (game)

2009-06-15T15:54:23Z

Spideym: ...

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'''Soul''' (Japanese: '''ソウル''' ''Soul'') is the female [[player character]] in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the counterpart to {{ga|Gold}} in the same games. She is a young girl who lives with her mother in [[New Bark Town]].
[[File:Goldandsoul.png|thumb|left|Soul speaking with [[Gold (game)|Gold]]]]
Currently, this is the only known information about her, and details of any and all changed plots in HeartGold and SoulSilver from the original Gold and Silver are nonexistent at the current time. Her name, likewise, is unknown, but assumed to follow the pattern that {{ga|Leaf}} does in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, as Leaf is named after the prefix of the second version, while her {{ga|Red|male counterpart}} is named for the primary original version and her {{ga|Blue|rival}} is named for the secondary original version.

Soul can be seen talking with [[Gold (game)|Gold]] in [[New Bark Town]] at the start off the game. In this particular scene, she is seen with a {{p|Marill}}. It is still unknown if she will always have Marill or if the Pokémon will change if another [[Starter Pokémon]] is selected.

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Anabel

2009-06-11T10:18:50Z

Spideym: /* In the games */

{{CharacterInfobox|
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jname=リラ |
tmname=Lila |
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'''Salon Maiden Anabel''' (Japanese: '''タワータイクーンリラ''' ''Tower Tycoon Lila'') is the [[Frontier Brain]] in charge of running the {{ho|Battle Frontier}}'s {{DL|Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Tower}}.

==In the anime==

[[Image:Anabel1.PNG|thumb|225px|left|Anabel in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]

Anabel appears in the episodes ''[[AG169|Talking a Good Game]]'' and ''[[AG170|Second Time's the Charm]]''.

Anabel has the empathic ability to sense the emotions of [[Pokémon]] and giving them telepathic commands, possessing powers similar to {{Special|Yellow}} of [[Pokémon Special]], although other characters do not seem to regard these as psychic abilities but rather a honed sense of empathy. Nevertheless, she is still portrayed as a sort of {{type2|Psychic}} specialist.

She failed to teach Ash and May her empathetic abilities, as their Pokémon receive nothing from them. Ash and his friends are surprised to learn that Anabel is a girl when the group arrived to her house and she declined to change her wet clothes in front of them; Ash asked if it's because of May's presence, but she said it was because she's female.

Ash lost his first match to Anabel after her powerful Alakazam managed to defeat two of his Pokémon consecutively, shadowing both Ash's Corphish and Tauros. In a rematch, Ash beat her by using the same strategy as in the previous battle. During their farewell, Anabel was shown to have a {{s|AbilityShipping|crush}} on Ash.

Anabel made a cameo appearance during a flashback in [[DP128]].

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Anabel's known Pokémon in the {{pkmn|anime}}:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:065.png]] {{TP|Anabel|Alakazam}}
| align=center | [[Image:196.png]] {{p|Espeon}}
| align=center | [[Image:376.png]] {{p|Metagross}}
|}

===Voice actors===
* '''Japanese'''
** 木村亜希子 ''[[Akiko Kimura]]''

* '''English'''
** [[Hilary Thomas]]

* '''Spanish'''
** Mariana Ortiz (Latin America)
** Sara Vivas (Spain)

* '''Brazilian'''
** [[Gilmara Sanches]] (Portugal)

==In the games==

[[Image:SpriteAnabel.png|thumb|right|Sprite Image of Anabel from {{game|Emerald}}.]]

Anabel's heard rumors of {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}}'s rankings in the Battle Tower, but isn't impressed. She wants to see their talent in battle for herself. When defeated, she awards the Ability Symbol onto the Frontier Pass.

On the second match, Anabel commends Brendan/May's progress, and is grateful for the chance to battle without holding anything back; to battle to her fullest.

She is one of the two known [[Tower Tycoon]]s, the other one being [[Palmer]] of the Battle Tower in the [[Sinnoh]] region.

===Pokémon===
====Silver Symbol challenge====
{{PartyHeader|color={{emerald color}}|sprite=SpriteAnabel.png|prize={{pdollar}}0|class=[[Salon Maiden]]|name=Anabel|game={{v2|Emerald}}|location={{DL|Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Tower}}}}
{{PartyBody33|color={{emerald color}}|
sprite1=Spr 3e 065.gif|p1=Alakazam|ability1=Unknown|item1={{DL|In-battle effect item|BrightPowder}}|gender1=|level1=100|types1=1|type11=Psychic|p1m1=Ice Punch|p1m1t=Ice|p1m2=Fire Punch|p1m2t=Fire|p1m3=ThunderPunch|p1m3t=Electric|p1m4=Disable|p1m4t=Normal|sprite2=Spr 3e 244.gif|p2=Entei|ability2=Pressure|gender2=|level2=100|types2=1|type12=Fire|item2={{b|Lum}}|p2m1=Fire Blast|p2m1t=Fire|p2m2=Calm Mind|p2m2t=Psychic|p2m3=Return|p2m3t=Normal|p2m4=Roar|p2m4t=Normal|sprite3=Spr 3e 143.gif|p3=Snorlax|ability3=Unknown|level3=100|gender3=|types3=1|type13=Normal|item3={{DL|In-battle effect item|Quick Claw}}|p3m1=Body Slam|p3m1t=Normal|p3m2=Belly Drum|p3m2t=Normal|p3m3=Yawn|p3m3t=Normal|p3m4=Shadow Ball|p3m4t=Ghost}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{emerald color}}}}

====Gold Symbol challenge====
{{PartyHeader|color={{emerald color}}|sprite=SpriteAnabel.png|prize={{pdollar}}0|class=[[Salon Maiden]]|name=Anabel|game={{v2|Emerald}}|location={{DL|Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Tower}}}}
{{PartyBody33|color={{emerald color}}|
sprite1=Spr 3e 243.gif|p1=Raikou|ability1=Pressure|item1={{b|Lum}}|gender1=|level1=100|types1=1|type11=Electric|p1m1=Thunderbolt|p1m1t=Electric|p1m2=Calm Mind|p1m2t=Psychic|p1m3=Reflect|p1m3t=Psychic|p1m4=Rest|p1m4t=Psychic|sprite2=Spr 3e 381.gif|p2=Latios|ability2=Levitate|gender2=♂|level2=100|types2=2|type12=Dragon|type22=Psychic|item2={{DL|In-battle effect item|BrightPowder}}|p2m1=Psychic|p2m1t=Psychic|p2m2=Dragon Claw|p2m2t=Dragon|p2m3=Calm Mind|p2m3t=Psychic|p2m4=Recover|p2m4t=Normal|sprite3=Spr 3e 143.gif|p3=Snorlax|ability3=Unknown|level3=100|gender3=|types3=1|type13=Normal|item3={{b|Chesto}}|p3m1=Curse|p3m1t=???|p3m2=Return|p3m2t=Normal|p3m3=Rest|p3m3t=Psychic|p3m4=Shadow Ball|p3m4t=Ghost}}
{{PartyFooter|color={{emerald color}}}}

===Quotes===
* First battle:
''"Greetings… My name is Anabel. I am the Salon Maiden, and I am in charge of running the Battle Tower… I have heard several rumors about you… I all honesty, what I have heard does not seem attractive in any way… The reason I’ve come to see you… Well, there is but one reason… Let me see your talent in its entirety…"''

''"Okay, I understand…"''

''"Fufufu, nicely done… Your Frontier Pass, please… Your talent shall be recognized."''

''"… … … … … … You have confidence in your Pokémon battling talent, don’t you? I urge you to keep battling and keep on winning. I will be waiting for you. Until the next time we meet…"''

* Second battle:
''"You really did come back to see me… … … … … … … You’ve won straight matches to see me… I won’t have to hold back against you… It’s been too long now… Too long since I’ve been able to battle without thinking about anything… Let’s begin, shall we?"''

''"Thank you…"''

''"Fufu, congratulations… Your Frontier Pass, please… That was fun… I have never had a Pokémon battle so enjoyable before… I wish I could battle with you again…"''

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Special manga===
Almost nothing is known except that Anabel has a {{p|Raikou}} and she is the most powerful [[Frontier Brain]]. Anabel is also aware of the [[Pokédex]] and keeps the central villain busy while {{Special|Emerald}} attempts to capture {{p|Jirachi}}.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Anabel's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.
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| align=center | [[Image:243.png]] {{p|Raikou}}
|}

===In the Pokémon Battle Frontier manga===
[[Image:LilaCBF.JPG|right|100px|thumb|Anabel as a Photographer]]Anabel first appears in [[CBF4|chapter 4]], disguised as a photographer. She tells {{ma|Enta}} about the Frontier Brains after [[Rald]] is defeated by her, prompting him to challenge them in order to discover which one defeated Rald. After Enta defeats his sixth Frontier Brain, Lucy, he is told that the seventh one is none other than Anabel herself, much to his surprise. Enta's battle with Anabel ends up in a draw after a showdown between Ninetales and Entei.

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| align=center | [[Image:244.png]] {{P|Entei}}
| align=center | [[Image:065.png]] {{P|Alakazam}}
| align=center | [[Image:143.png]] {{P|Snorlax}}
|}

==Trivia==
* Right after {{game|Emerald}} was released, there was some debate regarding Anabel's gender. However, after the publishing of her Sugimori artwork and her {{pkmn|anime}} and [[Pokémon Special|manga]] appearances, there was no doubt that she was female. The initial confusion was only increased because she uses the typically masculine personal pronoun ボク ''boku''.
* It is possible that her design is based off of the female [[Psychic (trainer class)|Psychic]]. This theory is further supported by the fact that Anabel uses all {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon in the anime.
*Anabel is the only [[Frontier Brain]] whose title (in some languages) does not incorporate the second word of his or her facility's name. However, the Battle Salon is an actual room in the Battle Tower (Emerald version) where Trainers can meet each other and team up to participate in Multi Battles.
* Her clothing style varies the between anime, sprites, and artwork.
* Her {{p|Espeon}} knows {{m|Zap Cannon}}, a move it can't learn in games past [[Generation II]].

===Names===
{| {{bluetable|background: white}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Reference to
|-
| Japanese
| リラ ''Lila''
| The Spanish word for {{wp|Syringa vulgaris|lilac}}.
|-
| English
| Salon Maiden Anabel
| From ''ability''.
|-
| French
| As Du Salon Cathy
| From ''capacité'', capacity.
|-
| German
| Kampfkoloss Anabel
| From ''anlage''.
|-
| Italian
| Dama Torre Alberta
| From ''abilità'', ability.
|-
| Spanish
| Dama Torre Destra
| From ''destreza'', skill.
|-
| Korean
| 타워타이쿤 리라 ''Tower Tycoon Lila''
| From Japanese name ''Lila''.
|-
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 莉拉 ''Lìlā''
| Translation of ''Lila''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/frontierbrain-rira.html Lila's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

 
{{Anabel's Pokémon}}
 
{{Hoenn Frontier Brains}}
 
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Talk:Anabel

2009-06-09T14:58:20Z

Spideym: /* Leader of the Frontier Brains */

[[Image:RSE PsychicF.png|70px]]
Look at this, this is so much like Anabel. We should include this on the page. --[[User:Stinkoman|1-Up]] 20:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:...not really. Sure, there's a possibility her design came from the female Psychic... but eh, I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== Leader of the Frontier Brains ==

I don't recall the game ever pointing out a leader amongst the Frontier Brains. Where exactly does it say it? For all I know, Brandon could be the leader just like in the anime. Each facility in the game is a domain to its own; it doesn't require having beaten the others. So how exactly is she the leader? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:I honestly don't know. It might be due to the fact that the Battle Tower was there first, but I'm sure that there's an in-canon reference. We usually don't leave fanwank here unless we don't notice it, and given that several of the admins have edited this page, it'd be hard to miss. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, I'm pretty sure there must be an in-game reference too. I just wonder, since I don't recall ever reading that in the game, nor does the article mention where it got that reference. It makes me want to pull out my old Emerald and spend a couple hours searching for it, but not tonight. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:::So where's the reference? Or we're supposed to just accept anything the admins say as official? - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 14:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Clothes ==

Her clothes look different every where she's portrayed, her artwork, sprites and anime clothes are all different. I'm putting that on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Barry (game)

2009-05-31T01:40:57Z

Spideym: /* New Name? */

== Why Damion? ==

The fact that Damion is based on Diamond doesn't auromatically mean that it's his default English name. So, why is he identified as Damion in this article? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:Because he was referred as "Damion" in the game synopsis in D&P pre-release. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Where is that synopsis? Is that OFFICIAL synopsis? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure it is, good man. Screenshots of the game show "Damion" as one of the listed names for him (the others are Barry, Tyson and Markus). - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::But Barry is on the top, Damion is not. So, Barry has higher "value". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't. It's just "another" name. The order doesn't matter. Damion was used by Nintendo. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 21:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where was Damion used? Because you said on the name list, but Barry's there also. So, where is it used, besides in the game itself? Did Nintendo refer to him as Damion during an interview, and can you link me to it? Do they refer to him as Barry also? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 7:06 PM, April 17, 2007

:Could someone post the article where Nintendo uses Damion, and the video where it shows the list of names for the rival?--[[User:DSDark|DSDark]] 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::We have Damion's optional Pearl names. Is he still Damion? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 2:26 PM April 22, 2007

(I have a topic about this on the BMGf, but I think I should also adress it here.) I think the in-game data should be taken at more value than even Nintnedo's word, or guides (which they apparently have used "Gary" for Blue.) That said, I also don't think we've ever deviated from using a name if the game dosen't randomize it when we enter a blank name in-game.

With Diamond being the 'primary' version, if you enter his name in blank, it comes up as "Pearl". If I'm not mistaken this is exactly how we get Blue's name in the original versions.

I'd still like to see some of Nintnedo's use of the name, regardless.
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 05:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The guide is up on BT. Anyone have the pages which refer to him as Damion? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:He's simply called "[your] rival".--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Then I agree this should be moved to "Pearl (game)". Any objections? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I object. BTW, I thought that Blue got his name from GSC? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] May 4th

Yes, I found out that I was wrong about the Blue thing. My mistake. I still think it's a working argument when compared to characters like Gold, Kris, and Silver (I'm told Crystal version gives you the name Silver by default.)
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but after I got my Luxray to Lv. 100 I battled Pearl but his pokémon had reached levels above 70, should that be added?[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:Make a note of the new levels next time you battle him and post them here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Staraptor Lv 68, Floatzel Lv 69, Rapidash Lv 69, Snorlax Lv 70, Torterra Lv 74, Heracross Lv 70
[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:He's not lying. I checked in-game Trainer list and there is a data for such battle. Yeah. I just have a question. Where did you battle him with such team? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after I beat him at the Battle Zone the first time I decided to go to the pokémon league so I could train my lv 75 Luxray to lv 100, 2 weeks later my Luxray reached 100 and so I decided to look for Cresselia and Giratina the only 2 non-event legendaries I didnt own and when I caught them I went back to the Battle Zone to challenge him and my lv 100 Luxray was the first one in my party and when the battle started all his pokémon were stronger than before and thats all I recall doing, but if anyone is interested in seeing the match I plan on posting the battle on youtube later this week, so if anyone wants to see it contact my user page and I'll direct you to my user page on youtube, I hope this helps. [[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure your rival's level goes up because you beat the Elite Four 20 times. Or something like that. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

His levels increase by ten after you become a 20-time champion (i.e. beat the crap of of Cynthia 20 times) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:In theory, this makes him the strongest NPC trainer ever! Even stronger than [[Red (game)|Red]]! --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's because he trains and Red doesn't ^^; [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:First of all, in case you are under the impression that his team reaches level 100, that is false. The game data puts his ''final'' team in the 68-74 range, with his starter at level 74. This means that Pearl's team is below that of Green (Blue's Japanese name and English name in the context of FireRed and LeafGreen), whose starter manages to reach level 75 post-Sevii Islands (the minimum level on his updated team is 72). Next in line is Steven, whose Metagross makes it to level 78 in Emerald (the minimum level is 75). Last but not least (and the first chronologically) is Red, whose Pikachu remains the highest-leveled Pokémon at 81, surpassing even wild Arceus. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh...so that means I can still beat the crap out of him after maxing out my team's level...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>{{{1|10:05 9 Feb 2008}}}
''' 10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

About the name again... isn't it a little strange call him "Pearl" when there is no "Diamond" in the games?... I still think we should call him "Barry"... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 17:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:That's for the forums, not here. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Resemblance? ==

Has anyone noted that Pearl seems inspired in design from [[wp:List_of_Mother_3_characters#Lucas|Lucas]] of Mother 3? Or has it already been placed on this page and removed?

== Time of appearance ==

Well, it's currently Saturday right now, yet Pearl doesn't seem to show up where he's supposed to in the Fight Area. It's night though, which might mean he only shows up on weekends during daytime. Anyone able to confirm this? It might be worth mentioning it in the article if this is the case. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 22:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:He shows up at night. There must be something wrong with the date of your game. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::He shows up at 12:00 AM in your game on Saturday morning... provided you didn't save it in the Fight Area Friday night before turning it off or arrived in the Fight Area one minute before it hit 12. Enter and then leave and there he is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I just noticed he doesn't show up for me during daytime either, however, and yeah, I've tried exiting and reentering in a number of ways, still no Pearl. I'm starting to think it might be necessary to fill some criteria in order to make him appear; any thoughts? (Also, in case you're wondering, I gained access to the Fight Area without using cheats of any kind, so it's not that)--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Odd... he's always been there for me... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah... he doesn't seem to show up around Stark Mountain either. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::You sure your game isn't just glitched up...? I don't think you have too do anything/fill in some criteria for him to appear there...I might be wrong though...[[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It could be, but naturally, I'd like to at least try and find an explanation for the problem... He still doesn't appear (checked last weekend). I'm starting to wonder if this could have something to do with my first venture into Stark Mountain; I got Buck to join, but then pretty much ditched him and got out of there (resulting in him not appearing when I go back, haven't checked if I'm still able to get Heatran). Might be a bit far fetched, but it's one of the only explanations I can come up with. I also realize I've had Emerald in the DS every time I've checked for him, I'll remove it next time and see if it has anything to do with it, though I don't really see how... --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Ummmm, Im getting the same problem, I dont see Pearl at all in the Fight Area, and its daytime right now, 12:44pm. I havent gone to Stark Mountain at all in reply to Thembi...[[User:Zolt991|Zolt991]] 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Disambiguation page? ==
This really needs a disambiguation for [[Jun (Ihara)|Jun]]. I'd make one myself, but I don't know how to yet. --[[User:Jennyrogue|JennyRogue]]

== Platinum characters ==

Shouldn't Pearl be included in the Platinum characters category? Platinum artwork of him confirms he appears in the game.

== His Pokémon? ==
Should they be left as pure text, or converted to team boxes to look tidier?
Edits earlier made the whole article look a mess. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Weavile ==

I heard that in a new trailer for Platinum, there was a double battle between the player and rival and Flint and Volkner. I also heard that in the trailer, he owned a Weavile. Should this be noted? [[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Data ==

This section's REALLY confusing... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== New Name? ==

Since I was under the impression that Silver was Silver because both Gold and Crystal had listed that as the default name, would we call Pearl one of the ingame names if a name used in Platinum is the same default in either Diamond and Pearl? Example: They use Barry in Diamond as the first default, and use Barry again in Platinum, could that be enough to make it the "unofficial" offical name? Or whatever name it comes up with (Diamond/Pearl) if we enter the name in blank since two out of the three versions agree.

Actually since people have JP Diamond, can they confirm what his default name is again if you enter it blank?--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:I suggest you look at the discussion at the top of this page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I did. He's called Pearl because that's Diamond's default name. We got Blue's name from GSC, and Silver's name from G/C and Kris because Crystal is the only game she appeared in leaving Gold as the only unclaimed name. However, what I am asking is what happens if Platinum's default name does not agree with Diamond but agrees with Pearl's (which I assume is Diamond). If two out of three versions would claim it as his name, that seems official enough. So I'm just wondering what Platinum's default name is. Though we consider DIamond to be the "primary" game, Pearl shares more characteristics with older primary games with its red-themed colour and Palkia being later in the dex, and Platinum's preference to Palkia's statue in Eterna city. I'm just wondering what its default name is, and that if it isn't Pearl but Diamond, would it be enough to change the article name? I guess I could check around on the forums for its default name and let the issue die if it is Pearl.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the bigger question, if the rival's name in Pt is Diamond, would be if it's supposed to be Pokémon Pearl and Diamond, rather than Diamond and Pearl. I mean, all stuff's used D/P, but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh also, the Eterna statue is kinda the same thing as Kyogre being in the Seafloor Cavern and Aqua's hideout being in Lilycove's cove. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I Think his Japanese name is Jun because The Name "Jun" Is a Random name In the Japanese Versions Of D/P [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 04:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Having just got Platinum, I can say for sure that if you don't specify a name for Pearl, the game will randomly pick either Diamond or Pearl. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I feel kinda like a moron for being probably the main starter of this whole "Pearl" thing in 2007. I'm surprised that Bulbapedia still has his name as this. So now I'm going to argue against my old self. Apologies in advance to any OCD maniacs I "forced" to name the rival "Pearl" in their games, or write fanfics with. I did the same in my DP.

::::I think at this point it's highly implied his intended name is Barry. Back in 2007 Jun seemed to be just a name the fans picked up for the sake of needing a name. Whether or not it was influenced by the fans, the reintroduction of the name Barry as the first name in Plat seems to be an unusual thing that hasn't really happened with any other characters as far as I can tell. Also the anime producers seem to be very cautious about how they name characters these days, they don't seem to be throwing darts at a board anymore with this random Satoshi/Kenta stuff. They're really being careful these days. While it's true Barry (game) does not equal Barry (anime) that doesn't discount it as coming from a very important source that carefully picked the name. Anyway, I know why the name Pearl was picked - but older Pokemon games had their Official™ character names picked from the first slot in the optional name menu as well. I could go back and see EXACTLY how each of the names originated, but they have come about in many different ways. We got Leaf from what, internal coding? Anyway, summary: Name Barry is highly implied by Pokemon Co. at this point, no longer just a fan pick. We don't need to pretend to ignore the hints.

::::Anyway I'll gladly argue this further. I just wanted to reintroduce this discussion, as I feel I need to right a wrongdoing I have done in the Pokemon community.[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 19:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nope. His intended name isn't Barry any more than {{ga|Blue}}'s is [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Says who? -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::The same could be said with his name "Diamond" in Pearl version almost. Since in Plat you get a randomization between the two. If Pearl was intended one would assume that his auto name in Platinum would have just ended up "Pearl". We've gotten other character names from the first names out of the list of optional names. Does the auto name really hold priority over the first name in a list that has backing in Platinum (And is the only name to return from Diamond or Pearl), and support from Pokemon themselves? This argument for Pearl made more sense when we didn't have anything else to grasp onto. If the internal data referred to him as Barry would that be sufficient, like Leaf?[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 21:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I agree. Calling him "Pearl" seems pretty dumb to me, considering that:
:::::::*It would mean that there should be a characer named "Diamond"
:::::::*"Diamond" seems to be as valid a name for him as "Pearl" because of Platinum
:::::::*The games stopped naming the characters after the versions during the previous generation
:::::::*The player characters are callled Lucas and Dawn
:::::::*The anime named his counterpart Barry/Jun, after abandoning the tradition of renaming the game characters (anime May, Dawn, Solana and Kellyn have the same name as their game counterparts)
:::::::[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::::::::It stays as Pearl, because it is the default name if you don't name him, same with Lucas and Dawn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::The same could be said about the name "Diamond"! - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:Platinum doesn't cut it, because DP were the first sources. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::So? That still doesn't make "Pearl" the most used name. He was called "Pearl" in Diamond and "Diamond" in Pearl.
::And the only reason why the "rival's real name is his default name in the primary game version, which is also the title name of the "secondary" game version of that generation" rule worked in RGBY and GSC was because a) The player character's default name was the primary version, and b) the "extra versions" (japanese Blue, Yellow, Crystal) used the second version's title as a default name for the rival. None of these excuses apply to DPPt. - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shouldnt We Mention...==
That he is Going to Appear in the Anime Soon?{{Unsigned|Envidia}}
:Unconfirmed.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not only unconfirmed, but that would be like making part of {{ga|Blue}}'s page dedicated to [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Shouldn't this article be unprotected? It's already proven Jun ''is'' Pearl. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. For all we saw in the preview, Jun is for an article. Something like [[Jun (anime)]], and not for "In the anime" in this article. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], [[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Jun should go in the anime section similar to [[Brendan]], [[Misty]] and [[Brock]]. [[DP100]] can at least be unprotected. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh...this is the page for the character Pearl? Oh, I thought it was talking about Pearl as in Diamond and Pearl...no wonder why your comments did not make sense...but this just proves that the name should be changed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pt Arwork ==

I don't mean to start edit war with Matt, but he insists to replace the current image with pic 2.
<gallery>
File:Jun Platinum.png|1
File:Junplatinum.jpg|2
</gallery>
Decide for which you think is better. I say pic 1. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:yes, I must agree that the first picture is better. Its larger and better quality.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh, Clarky, in terms of size, the second is bigger. =.= '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Hehe, why so it is. But the first doesn't have such a giant white section around it, if that's clear enough O.o--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I think the first pic is better. It has no white space and the second one, at that size, seems to have some odd artifacts or whatever. At least on my screen. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can clear it up for ya, if needed. I have the editing tools.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Do that then.--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Great!!!! We need the best pictures to be the best Pokémon pedia.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::And consult {{u|Sketch}} or TTE before replacing the image, please. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Why? Is Sketch another editor in chief?--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes... of pictures.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:He's a graphic designer, an "image specialist". '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I stumbled on this by accident. I can see why both pictures would be used...but I'm going to have to say 1. There's nothing particularly wrong with it...it's PNG and no matter what, even if we were to use the JPG, it would just be reduced to that size anyway. So if anything, we can hold onto that higher quality version. And upon further inspection, if that bigger image were to be reduced, the pixels compress and gives it a grainy look. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
==Pearl knows who his father is==
Can someone change the bottom of the first section of this article. Pearl is in fact aware of who his father is when you reach the Battle Frontier in Platinum, as he specifically calls his father the Tycoon.--[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 04:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Leveling up in Platinum==
I've beaten the Elite Four twenty times in Platinum, and his team was at the eighty level (Level 85 Starter). However, I did not see when his team was at the seventy level (Level 75 starter). Does anybody know when his level is between 65 and 85 (How many times the E4 has to be beaten)? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Barry (game)

2009-05-31T01:22:58Z

Spideym: /* New Name? */

== Why Damion? ==

The fact that Damion is based on Diamond doesn't auromatically mean that it's his default English name. So, why is he identified as Damion in this article? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:Because he was referred as "Damion" in the game synopsis in D&P pre-release. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Where is that synopsis? Is that OFFICIAL synopsis? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure it is, good man. Screenshots of the game show "Damion" as one of the listed names for him (the others are Barry, Tyson and Markus). - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::But Barry is on the top, Damion is not. So, Barry has higher "value". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't. It's just "another" name. The order doesn't matter. Damion was used by Nintendo. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 21:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where was Damion used? Because you said on the name list, but Barry's there also. So, where is it used, besides in the game itself? Did Nintendo refer to him as Damion during an interview, and can you link me to it? Do they refer to him as Barry also? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 7:06 PM, April 17, 2007

:Could someone post the article where Nintendo uses Damion, and the video where it shows the list of names for the rival?--[[User:DSDark|DSDark]] 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::We have Damion's optional Pearl names. Is he still Damion? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 2:26 PM April 22, 2007

(I have a topic about this on the BMGf, but I think I should also adress it here.) I think the in-game data should be taken at more value than even Nintnedo's word, or guides (which they apparently have used "Gary" for Blue.) That said, I also don't think we've ever deviated from using a name if the game dosen't randomize it when we enter a blank name in-game.

With Diamond being the 'primary' version, if you enter his name in blank, it comes up as "Pearl". If I'm not mistaken this is exactly how we get Blue's name in the original versions.

I'd still like to see some of Nintnedo's use of the name, regardless.
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 05:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The guide is up on BT. Anyone have the pages which refer to him as Damion? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:He's simply called "[your] rival".--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Then I agree this should be moved to "Pearl (game)". Any objections? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I object. BTW, I thought that Blue got his name from GSC? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] May 4th

Yes, I found out that I was wrong about the Blue thing. My mistake. I still think it's a working argument when compared to characters like Gold, Kris, and Silver (I'm told Crystal version gives you the name Silver by default.)
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but after I got my Luxray to Lv. 100 I battled Pearl but his pokémon had reached levels above 70, should that be added?[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:Make a note of the new levels next time you battle him and post them here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Staraptor Lv 68, Floatzel Lv 69, Rapidash Lv 69, Snorlax Lv 70, Torterra Lv 74, Heracross Lv 70
[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:He's not lying. I checked in-game Trainer list and there is a data for such battle. Yeah. I just have a question. Where did you battle him with such team? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after I beat him at the Battle Zone the first time I decided to go to the pokémon league so I could train my lv 75 Luxray to lv 100, 2 weeks later my Luxray reached 100 and so I decided to look for Cresselia and Giratina the only 2 non-event legendaries I didnt own and when I caught them I went back to the Battle Zone to challenge him and my lv 100 Luxray was the first one in my party and when the battle started all his pokémon were stronger than before and thats all I recall doing, but if anyone is interested in seeing the match I plan on posting the battle on youtube later this week, so if anyone wants to see it contact my user page and I'll direct you to my user page on youtube, I hope this helps. [[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure your rival's level goes up because you beat the Elite Four 20 times. Or something like that. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

His levels increase by ten after you become a 20-time champion (i.e. beat the crap of of Cynthia 20 times) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:In theory, this makes him the strongest NPC trainer ever! Even stronger than [[Red (game)|Red]]! --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's because he trains and Red doesn't ^^; [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:First of all, in case you are under the impression that his team reaches level 100, that is false. The game data puts his ''final'' team in the 68-74 range, with his starter at level 74. This means that Pearl's team is below that of Green (Blue's Japanese name and English name in the context of FireRed and LeafGreen), whose starter manages to reach level 75 post-Sevii Islands (the minimum level on his updated team is 72). Next in line is Steven, whose Metagross makes it to level 78 in Emerald (the minimum level is 75). Last but not least (and the first chronologically) is Red, whose Pikachu remains the highest-leveled Pokémon at 81, surpassing even wild Arceus. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh...so that means I can still beat the crap out of him after maxing out my team's level...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>{{{1|10:05 9 Feb 2008}}}
''' 10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

About the name again... isn't it a little strange call him "Pearl" when there is no "Diamond" in the games?... I still think we should call him "Barry"... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 17:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:That's for the forums, not here. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Resemblance? ==

Has anyone noted that Pearl seems inspired in design from [[wp:List_of_Mother_3_characters#Lucas|Lucas]] of Mother 3? Or has it already been placed on this page and removed?

== Time of appearance ==

Well, it's currently Saturday right now, yet Pearl doesn't seem to show up where he's supposed to in the Fight Area. It's night though, which might mean he only shows up on weekends during daytime. Anyone able to confirm this? It might be worth mentioning it in the article if this is the case. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 22:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:He shows up at night. There must be something wrong with the date of your game. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::He shows up at 12:00 AM in your game on Saturday morning... provided you didn't save it in the Fight Area Friday night before turning it off or arrived in the Fight Area one minute before it hit 12. Enter and then leave and there he is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I just noticed he doesn't show up for me during daytime either, however, and yeah, I've tried exiting and reentering in a number of ways, still no Pearl. I'm starting to think it might be necessary to fill some criteria in order to make him appear; any thoughts? (Also, in case you're wondering, I gained access to the Fight Area without using cheats of any kind, so it's not that)--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Odd... he's always been there for me... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah... he doesn't seem to show up around Stark Mountain either. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::You sure your game isn't just glitched up...? I don't think you have too do anything/fill in some criteria for him to appear there...I might be wrong though...[[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It could be, but naturally, I'd like to at least try and find an explanation for the problem... He still doesn't appear (checked last weekend). I'm starting to wonder if this could have something to do with my first venture into Stark Mountain; I got Buck to join, but then pretty much ditched him and got out of there (resulting in him not appearing when I go back, haven't checked if I'm still able to get Heatran). Might be a bit far fetched, but it's one of the only explanations I can come up with. I also realize I've had Emerald in the DS every time I've checked for him, I'll remove it next time and see if it has anything to do with it, though I don't really see how... --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Ummmm, Im getting the same problem, I dont see Pearl at all in the Fight Area, and its daytime right now, 12:44pm. I havent gone to Stark Mountain at all in reply to Thembi...[[User:Zolt991|Zolt991]] 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Disambiguation page? ==
This really needs a disambiguation for [[Jun (Ihara)|Jun]]. I'd make one myself, but I don't know how to yet. --[[User:Jennyrogue|JennyRogue]]

== Platinum characters ==

Shouldn't Pearl be included in the Platinum characters category? Platinum artwork of him confirms he appears in the game.

== His Pokémon? ==
Should they be left as pure text, or converted to team boxes to look tidier?
Edits earlier made the whole article look a mess. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Weavile ==

I heard that in a new trailer for Platinum, there was a double battle between the player and rival and Flint and Volkner. I also heard that in the trailer, he owned a Weavile. Should this be noted? [[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Data ==

This section's REALLY confusing... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== New Name? ==

Since I was under the impression that Silver was Silver because both Gold and Crystal had listed that as the default name, would we call Pearl one of the ingame names if a name used in Platinum is the same default in either Diamond and Pearl? Example: They use Barry in Diamond as the first default, and use Barry again in Platinum, could that be enough to make it the "unofficial" offical name? Or whatever name it comes up with (Diamond/Pearl) if we enter the name in blank since two out of the three versions agree.

Actually since people have JP Diamond, can they confirm what his default name is again if you enter it blank?--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:I suggest you look at the discussion at the top of this page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I did. He's called Pearl because that's Diamond's default name. We got Blue's name from GSC, and Silver's name from G/C and Kris because Crystal is the only game she appeared in leaving Gold as the only unclaimed name. However, what I am asking is what happens if Platinum's default name does not agree with Diamond but agrees with Pearl's (which I assume is Diamond). If two out of three versions would claim it as his name, that seems official enough. So I'm just wondering what Platinum's default name is. Though we consider DIamond to be the "primary" game, Pearl shares more characteristics with older primary games with its red-themed colour and Palkia being later in the dex, and Platinum's preference to Palkia's statue in Eterna city. I'm just wondering what its default name is, and that if it isn't Pearl but Diamond, would it be enough to change the article name? I guess I could check around on the forums for its default name and let the issue die if it is Pearl.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the bigger question, if the rival's name in Pt is Diamond, would be if it's supposed to be Pokémon Pearl and Diamond, rather than Diamond and Pearl. I mean, all stuff's used D/P, but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh also, the Eterna statue is kinda the same thing as Kyogre being in the Seafloor Cavern and Aqua's hideout being in Lilycove's cove. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I Think his Japanese name is Jun because The Name "Jun" Is a Random name In the Japanese Versions Of D/P [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 04:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Having just got Platinum, I can say for sure that if you don't specify a name for Pearl, the game will randomly pick either Diamond or Pearl. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I feel kinda like a moron for being probably the main starter of this whole "Pearl" thing in 2007. I'm surprised that Bulbapedia still has his name as this. So now I'm going to argue against my old self. Apologies in advance to any OCD maniacs I "forced" to name the rival "Pearl" in their games, or write fanfics with. I did the same in my DP.

::::I think at this point it's highly implied his intended name is Barry. Back in 2007 Jun seemed to be just a name the fans picked up for the sake of needing a name. Whether or not it was influenced by the fans, the reintroduction of the name Barry as the first name in Plat seems to be an unusual thing that hasn't really happened with any other characters as far as I can tell. Also the anime producers seem to be very cautious about how they name characters these days, they don't seem to be throwing darts at a board anymore with this random Satoshi/Kenta stuff. They're really being careful these days. While it's true Barry (game) does not equal Barry (anime) that doesn't discount it as coming from a very important source that carefully picked the name. Anyway, I know why the name Pearl was picked - but older Pokemon games had their Official™ character names picked from the first slot in the optional name menu as well. I could go back and see EXACTLY how each of the names originated, but they have come about in many different ways. We got Leaf from what, internal coding? Anyway, summary: Name Barry is highly implied by Pokemon Co. at this point, no longer just a fan pick. We don't need to pretend to ignore the hints.

::::Anyway I'll gladly argue this further. I just wanted to reintroduce this discussion, as I feel I need to right a wrongdoing I have done in the Pokemon community.[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 19:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nope. His intended name isn't Barry any more than {{ga|Blue}}'s is [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Says who? -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::The same could be said with his name "Diamond" in Pearl version almost. Since in Plat you get a randomization between the two. If Pearl was intended one would assume that his auto name in Platinum would have just ended up "Pearl". We've gotten other character names from the first names out of the list of optional names. Does the auto name really hold priority over the first name in a list that has backing in Platinum (And is the only name to return from Diamond or Pearl), and support from Pokemon themselves? This argument for Pearl made more sense when we didn't have anything else to grasp onto. If the internal data referred to him as Barry would that be sufficient, like Leaf?[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 21:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I agree. Calling him "Pearl" seems pretty dumb to me, considering that:
:::::::*It would mean that there should be a characer named "Diamond"
:::::::*"Diamond" seems to be as valid a name for him as "Pearl" because of Platinum
:::::::*The games stopped naming the characters after the versions during the previous generation
:::::::*The player characters are callled Lucas and Dawn
:::::::*The anime named his counterpart Barry/Jun, after abandoning the tradition of renaming the game characters (anime May, Dawn, Solana and Kellyn have the same name as their game counterparts)
:::::::[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::::::::It stays as Pearl, because it is the default name if you don't name him, same with Lucas and Dawn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::The same could be said about the name "Diamond"! - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shouldnt We Mention...==
That he is Going to Appear in the Anime Soon?{{Unsigned|Envidia}}
:Unconfirmed.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not only unconfirmed, but that would be like making part of {{ga|Blue}}'s page dedicated to [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Shouldn't this article be unprotected? It's already proven Jun ''is'' Pearl. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. For all we saw in the preview, Jun is for an article. Something like [[Jun (anime)]], and not for "In the anime" in this article. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], [[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Jun should go in the anime section similar to [[Brendan]], [[Misty]] and [[Brock]]. [[DP100]] can at least be unprotected. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh...this is the page for the character Pearl? Oh, I thought it was talking about Pearl as in Diamond and Pearl...no wonder why your comments did not make sense...but this just proves that the name should be changed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pt Arwork ==

I don't mean to start edit war with Matt, but he insists to replace the current image with pic 2.
<gallery>
File:Jun Platinum.png|1
File:Junplatinum.jpg|2
</gallery>
Decide for which you think is better. I say pic 1. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:yes, I must agree that the first picture is better. Its larger and better quality.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh, Clarky, in terms of size, the second is bigger. =.= '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Hehe, why so it is. But the first doesn't have such a giant white section around it, if that's clear enough O.o--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I think the first pic is better. It has no white space and the second one, at that size, seems to have some odd artifacts or whatever. At least on my screen. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can clear it up for ya, if needed. I have the editing tools.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Do that then.--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Great!!!! We need the best pictures to be the best Pokémon pedia.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::And consult {{u|Sketch}} or TTE before replacing the image, please. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Why? Is Sketch another editor in chief?--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes... of pictures.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:He's a graphic designer, an "image specialist". '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I stumbled on this by accident. I can see why both pictures would be used...but I'm going to have to say 1. There's nothing particularly wrong with it...it's PNG and no matter what, even if we were to use the JPG, it would just be reduced to that size anyway. So if anything, we can hold onto that higher quality version. And upon further inspection, if that bigger image were to be reduced, the pixels compress and gives it a grainy look. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
==Pearl knows who his father is==
Can someone change the bottom of the first section of this article. Pearl is in fact aware of who his father is when you reach the Battle Frontier in Platinum, as he specifically calls his father the Tycoon.--[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 04:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Leveling up in Platinum==
I've beaten the Elite Four twenty times in Platinum, and his team was at the eighty level (Level 85 Starter). However, I did not see when his team was at the seventy level (Level 75 starter). Does anybody know when his level is between 65 and 85 (How many times the E4 has to be beaten)? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Barry (game)

2009-05-31T01:13:17Z

Spideym:

== Why Damion? ==

The fact that Damion is based on Diamond doesn't auromatically mean that it's his default English name. So, why is he identified as Damion in this article? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:Because he was referred as "Damion" in the game synopsis in D&P pre-release. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Where is that synopsis? Is that OFFICIAL synopsis? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure it is, good man. Screenshots of the game show "Damion" as one of the listed names for him (the others are Barry, Tyson and Markus). - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::But Barry is on the top, Damion is not. So, Barry has higher "value". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't. It's just "another" name. The order doesn't matter. Damion was used by Nintendo. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 21:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where was Damion used? Because you said on the name list, but Barry's there also. So, where is it used, besides in the game itself? Did Nintendo refer to him as Damion during an interview, and can you link me to it? Do they refer to him as Barry also? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 7:06 PM, April 17, 2007

:Could someone post the article where Nintendo uses Damion, and the video where it shows the list of names for the rival?--[[User:DSDark|DSDark]] 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::We have Damion's optional Pearl names. Is he still Damion? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 2:26 PM April 22, 2007

(I have a topic about this on the BMGf, but I think I should also adress it here.) I think the in-game data should be taken at more value than even Nintnedo's word, or guides (which they apparently have used "Gary" for Blue.) That said, I also don't think we've ever deviated from using a name if the game dosen't randomize it when we enter a blank name in-game.

With Diamond being the 'primary' version, if you enter his name in blank, it comes up as "Pearl". If I'm not mistaken this is exactly how we get Blue's name in the original versions.

I'd still like to see some of Nintnedo's use of the name, regardless.
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 05:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The guide is up on BT. Anyone have the pages which refer to him as Damion? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:He's simply called "[your] rival".--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Then I agree this should be moved to "Pearl (game)". Any objections? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I object. BTW, I thought that Blue got his name from GSC? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] May 4th

Yes, I found out that I was wrong about the Blue thing. My mistake. I still think it's a working argument when compared to characters like Gold, Kris, and Silver (I'm told Crystal version gives you the name Silver by default.)
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but after I got my Luxray to Lv. 100 I battled Pearl but his pokémon had reached levels above 70, should that be added?[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:Make a note of the new levels next time you battle him and post them here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Staraptor Lv 68, Floatzel Lv 69, Rapidash Lv 69, Snorlax Lv 70, Torterra Lv 74, Heracross Lv 70
[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:He's not lying. I checked in-game Trainer list and there is a data for such battle. Yeah. I just have a question. Where did you battle him with such team? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after I beat him at the Battle Zone the first time I decided to go to the pokémon league so I could train my lv 75 Luxray to lv 100, 2 weeks later my Luxray reached 100 and so I decided to look for Cresselia and Giratina the only 2 non-event legendaries I didnt own and when I caught them I went back to the Battle Zone to challenge him and my lv 100 Luxray was the first one in my party and when the battle started all his pokémon were stronger than before and thats all I recall doing, but if anyone is interested in seeing the match I plan on posting the battle on youtube later this week, so if anyone wants to see it contact my user page and I'll direct you to my user page on youtube, I hope this helps. [[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure your rival's level goes up because you beat the Elite Four 20 times. Or something like that. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

His levels increase by ten after you become a 20-time champion (i.e. beat the crap of of Cynthia 20 times) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:In theory, this makes him the strongest NPC trainer ever! Even stronger than [[Red (game)|Red]]! --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's because he trains and Red doesn't ^^; [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:First of all, in case you are under the impression that his team reaches level 100, that is false. The game data puts his ''final'' team in the 68-74 range, with his starter at level 74. This means that Pearl's team is below that of Green (Blue's Japanese name and English name in the context of FireRed and LeafGreen), whose starter manages to reach level 75 post-Sevii Islands (the minimum level on his updated team is 72). Next in line is Steven, whose Metagross makes it to level 78 in Emerald (the minimum level is 75). Last but not least (and the first chronologically) is Red, whose Pikachu remains the highest-leveled Pokémon at 81, surpassing even wild Arceus. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh...so that means I can still beat the crap out of him after maxing out my team's level...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>{{{1|10:05 9 Feb 2008}}}
''' 10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

About the name again... isn't it a little strange call him "Pearl" when there is no "Diamond" in the games?... I still think we should call him "Barry"... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 17:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:That's for the forums, not here. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Resemblance? ==

Has anyone noted that Pearl seems inspired in design from [[wp:List_of_Mother_3_characters#Lucas|Lucas]] of Mother 3? Or has it already been placed on this page and removed?

== Time of appearance ==

Well, it's currently Saturday right now, yet Pearl doesn't seem to show up where he's supposed to in the Fight Area. It's night though, which might mean he only shows up on weekends during daytime. Anyone able to confirm this? It might be worth mentioning it in the article if this is the case. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 22:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:He shows up at night. There must be something wrong with the date of your game. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::He shows up at 12:00 AM in your game on Saturday morning... provided you didn't save it in the Fight Area Friday night before turning it off or arrived in the Fight Area one minute before it hit 12. Enter and then leave and there he is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I just noticed he doesn't show up for me during daytime either, however, and yeah, I've tried exiting and reentering in a number of ways, still no Pearl. I'm starting to think it might be necessary to fill some criteria in order to make him appear; any thoughts? (Also, in case you're wondering, I gained access to the Fight Area without using cheats of any kind, so it's not that)--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Odd... he's always been there for me... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah... he doesn't seem to show up around Stark Mountain either. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::You sure your game isn't just glitched up...? I don't think you have too do anything/fill in some criteria for him to appear there...I might be wrong though...[[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It could be, but naturally, I'd like to at least try and find an explanation for the problem... He still doesn't appear (checked last weekend). I'm starting to wonder if this could have something to do with my first venture into Stark Mountain; I got Buck to join, but then pretty much ditched him and got out of there (resulting in him not appearing when I go back, haven't checked if I'm still able to get Heatran). Might be a bit far fetched, but it's one of the only explanations I can come up with. I also realize I've had Emerald in the DS every time I've checked for him, I'll remove it next time and see if it has anything to do with it, though I don't really see how... --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Ummmm, Im getting the same problem, I dont see Pearl at all in the Fight Area, and its daytime right now, 12:44pm. I havent gone to Stark Mountain at all in reply to Thembi...[[User:Zolt991|Zolt991]] 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Disambiguation page? ==
This really needs a disambiguation for [[Jun (Ihara)|Jun]]. I'd make one myself, but I don't know how to yet. --[[User:Jennyrogue|JennyRogue]]

== Platinum characters ==

Shouldn't Pearl be included in the Platinum characters category? Platinum artwork of him confirms he appears in the game.

== His Pokémon? ==
Should they be left as pure text, or converted to team boxes to look tidier?
Edits earlier made the whole article look a mess. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Weavile ==

I heard that in a new trailer for Platinum, there was a double battle between the player and rival and Flint and Volkner. I also heard that in the trailer, he owned a Weavile. Should this be noted? [[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Data ==

This section's REALLY confusing... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== New Name? ==

Since I was under the impression that Silver was Silver because both Gold and Crystal had listed that as the default name, would we call Pearl one of the ingame names if a name used in Platinum is the same default in either Diamond and Pearl? Example: They use Barry in Diamond as the first default, and use Barry again in Platinum, could that be enough to make it the "unofficial" offical name? Or whatever name it comes up with (Diamond/Pearl) if we enter the name in blank since two out of the three versions agree.

Actually since people have JP Diamond, can they confirm what his default name is again if you enter it blank?--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:I suggest you look at the discussion at the top of this page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I did. He's called Pearl because that's Diamond's default name. We got Blue's name from GSC, and Silver's name from G/C and Kris because Crystal is the only game she appeared in leaving Gold as the only unclaimed name. However, what I am asking is what happens if Platinum's default name does not agree with Diamond but agrees with Pearl's (which I assume is Diamond). If two out of three versions would claim it as his name, that seems official enough. So I'm just wondering what Platinum's default name is. Though we consider DIamond to be the "primary" game, Pearl shares more characteristics with older primary games with its red-themed colour and Palkia being later in the dex, and Platinum's preference to Palkia's statue in Eterna city. I'm just wondering what its default name is, and that if it isn't Pearl but Diamond, would it be enough to change the article name? I guess I could check around on the forums for its default name and let the issue die if it is Pearl.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the bigger question, if the rival's name in Pt is Diamond, would be if it's supposed to be Pokémon Pearl and Diamond, rather than Diamond and Pearl. I mean, all stuff's used D/P, but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh also, the Eterna statue is kinda the same thing as Kyogre being in the Seafloor Cavern and Aqua's hideout being in Lilycove's cove. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I Think his Japanese name is Jun because The Name "Jun" Is a Random name In the Japanese Versions Of D/P [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 04:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Having just got Platinum, I can say for sure that if you don't specify a name for Pearl, the game will randomly pick either Diamond or Pearl. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I feel kinda like a moron for being probably the main starter of this whole "Pearl" thing in 2007. I'm surprised that Bulbapedia still has his name as this. So now I'm going to argue against my old self. Apologies in advance to any OCD maniacs I "forced" to name the rival "Pearl" in their games, or write fanfics with. I did the same in my DP.

::::I think at this point it's highly implied his intended name is Barry. Back in 2007 Jun seemed to be just a name the fans picked up for the sake of needing a name. Whether or not it was influenced by the fans, the reintroduction of the name Barry as the first name in Plat seems to be an unusual thing that hasn't really happened with any other characters as far as I can tell. Also the anime producers seem to be very cautious about how they name characters these days, they don't seem to be throwing darts at a board anymore with this random Satoshi/Kenta stuff. They're really being careful these days. While it's true Barry (game) does not equal Barry (anime) that doesn't discount it as coming from a very important source that carefully picked the name. Anyway, I know why the name Pearl was picked - but older Pokemon games had their Official™ character names picked from the first slot in the optional name menu as well. I could go back and see EXACTLY how each of the names originated, but they have come about in many different ways. We got Leaf from what, internal coding? Anyway, summary: Name Barry is highly implied by Pokemon Co. at this point, no longer just a fan pick. We don't need to pretend to ignore the hints.

::::Anyway I'll gladly argue this further. I just wanted to reintroduce this discussion, as I feel I need to right a wrongdoing I have done in the Pokemon community.[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 19:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nope. His intended name isn't Barry any more than {{ga|Blue}}'s is [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Says who? -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::The same could be said with his name "Diamond" in Pearl version almost. Since in Plat you get a randomization between the two. If Pearl was intended one would assume that his auto name in Platinum would have just ended up "Pearl". We've gotten other character names from the first names out of the list of optional names. Does the auto name really hold priority over the first name in a list that has backing in Platinum (And is the only name to return from Diamond or Pearl), and support from Pokemon themselves? This argument for Pearl made more sense when we didn't have anything else to grasp onto. If the internal data referred to him as Barry would that be sufficient, like Leaf?[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 21:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I agree. Calling him "Pearl" seems pretty dumb to me, considering that:
:::::::*It would mean that there should be a characer named "Diamond"
:::::::*"Diamond" seems to be as valid a name for him as "Pearl" because of Platinum
:::::::*The games stopped naming the characters after the versions during the previous generation
:::::::*The player characters are callled Lucas and Dawn
:::::::*The anime named his counterpart Barry/Jun, after abandoning the tradition of renaming the game characters (anime May, Dawn, Solana and Kellyn have the same name as their game counterparts)
:::::::[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shouldnt We Mention...==
That he is Going to Appear in the Anime Soon?{{Unsigned|Envidia}}
:Unconfirmed.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not only unconfirmed, but that would be like making part of {{ga|Blue}}'s page dedicated to [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Shouldn't this article be unprotected? It's already proven Jun ''is'' Pearl. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. For all we saw in the preview, Jun is for an article. Something like [[Jun (anime)]], and not for "In the anime" in this article. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], [[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Jun should go in the anime section similar to [[Brendan]], [[Misty]] and [[Brock]]. [[DP100]] can at least be unprotected. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh...this is the page for the character Pearl? Oh, I thought it was talking about Pearl as in Diamond and Pearl...no wonder why your comments did not make sense...but this just proves that the name should be changed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pt Arwork ==

I don't mean to start edit war with Matt, but he insists to replace the current image with pic 2.
<gallery>
File:Jun Platinum.png|1
File:Junplatinum.jpg|2
</gallery>
Decide for which you think is better. I say pic 1. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:yes, I must agree that the first picture is better. Its larger and better quality.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh, Clarky, in terms of size, the second is bigger. =.= '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Hehe, why so it is. But the first doesn't have such a giant white section around it, if that's clear enough O.o--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I think the first pic is better. It has no white space and the second one, at that size, seems to have some odd artifacts or whatever. At least on my screen. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can clear it up for ya, if needed. I have the editing tools.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Do that then.--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Great!!!! We need the best pictures to be the best Pokémon pedia.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::And consult {{u|Sketch}} or TTE before replacing the image, please. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Why? Is Sketch another editor in chief?--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes... of pictures.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:He's a graphic designer, an "image specialist". '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I stumbled on this by accident. I can see why both pictures would be used...but I'm going to have to say 1. There's nothing particularly wrong with it...it's PNG and no matter what, even if we were to use the JPG, it would just be reduced to that size anyway. So if anything, we can hold onto that higher quality version. And upon further inspection, if that bigger image were to be reduced, the pixels compress and gives it a grainy look. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
==Pearl knows who his father is==
Can someone change the bottom of the first section of this article. Pearl is in fact aware of who his father is when you reach the Battle Frontier in Platinum, as he specifically calls his father the Tycoon.--[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 04:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Leveling up in Platinum==
I've beaten the Elite Four twenty times in Platinum, and his team was at the eighty level (Level 85 Starter). However, I did not see when his team was at the seventy level (Level 75 starter). Does anybody know when his level is between 65 and 85 (How many times the E4 has to be beaten)? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary beasts

2009-05-30T01:25:43Z

Spideym: /* Dogs or Cats */

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
:::*Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
:::*See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
:::*Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary beasts

2009-05-30T01:25:18Z

Spideym: /* Dogs or Cats */

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
:::*Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
:::*See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs :::exactly like a cheetah
:::*Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary beasts

2009-05-30T01:23:02Z

Spideym: /* Dogs or Cats */

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
-Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
-See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
-Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pikachu (Pokémon)

2009-05-28T23:00:50Z

Spideym: /* Pikachu replacing Clefairy... */ Better spelling

==Pika Pika ==

Dude, Pikachu looks *nothing* like a pika. Seriously.

It does in pictures I saw in National Geographic...[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 05:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not in any pictures I've ever seen. Pikas look more like nutrias to me.

I don't now what nutrias are, but I ''do'' know that Pikachu looks like a rabbit.

Regarding the name origin, I've been told that pikapika is an "expression for the brightness of gold", not simply just meaning sparkle. Can someone confirm? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 13:26, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is a very broad sound symbolism for sparkle - from ''daiya-ga pikapika hikaru'' (diamonds sparkle) to ''pikapika-no kagu'' (well-polished furniture), from ''hoshi-ga pikapika hikaru'' (stars twinkle) to ''pikapika-no ichinensei'' (not even going to try to figure this one out). I suppose it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say "gold shines" using ''pikapika''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 14:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

''pikapika-no ichinensei''. Gah, I never wanted to hear that again. One company uses that almost like a motto in every one of their rather annoying ads. They're probably in some of the old encodes I did. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 01:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is there any ''official'' source that states that its name comes from pikapika and not from the pika? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, Pikachu has the best name in my opinion, as it can have obvious meanings in both Japanese and English. As stated, Japanese has pikapika (sparkle) + chuchu (squeak). PLUS Pika (animal related to rabbit) and chu being homophonous to the English word "chew", like gnaw, as a rodent does. ^^ Official evidence or no, you have to admit it'd be some coincidence if the world's most popular Pokémon just happened to be the only one with such a perfectly suited name, neh? :3 [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 23:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

==Location Table==

Pleae give feedback to the [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex]] discussion. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|Fabu-Vinny]] 12:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

== Bio ==

I added a whole Biology section! Feedback, please. [[User:Supermariorobot|Supermariorobot]] 05:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
: Try not to write as if the subject were in the real world - comparisons to real domestic pets are simply unnecessary; instead, compare to other Pokémon. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

==Kanto Native?==
I noticed that in the games, Pikachu can only be found "in the wild" in the Kanto Region. In GSC, Pikachu was only on Route 2 in Kanto, in RSE, it was only in the Safari Zone, which contained only "imported" Pokemon (that is, no Generation III Pokemon), and in DP, it's only in the Trophy Garden, a place that's basically confirmed to be importing Pokemon from other regions.

These "coincidences" lead me to believe that Pikachu is native to the Kanto Region, and its appearance everywhere else is due to humans bringing them to other locals.

Ignoring anamonlies like Pokemon Ranger, would it be a stretch to say that Pikachu are normally found only in Kanto as a piece of Trivia?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 19:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:What is your reason for ignoring Fiore? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'd think it's Kanto-native, too, but yeah, Fiore brings up a problem. I do agree, though, that they plopped in in the Hoenn Safari Zone so that they could have an excuse to have it in the Hoenn Dex. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Because it's a "Side Game". And then you include the "wild" Pikachu in Mystery Dungeon, the Pikachu in Trozei!, and the "gift" Pikachu in PBR and Japanese Colosseum. Ranger also has Wild Starter Pokemon, Wild Fossils, and other anomolies, so I didn't include it. It was mostly a thought about the core RPGs. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 20:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Your anomolies don't mean much. The Trozei Pokémon are not wild, nor are the gift Pokémon. Orre only has nine wild Pokémon, none of which cause issues. Mystery Dungeon is set in a different dimension. However, Fiore is an established region with links to the world of the main RPGs. Starter Pokémon have to be found wild somewhere so being specific to Fiore where trainers are not found makes a lot of sense. The only fossil there is Aerodactyl, which is suitably found in an ancient area, not that fossils are that special any more.
::::You can mention that it is the case in the handheld main series but the side games still count in the canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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== TCG ==

Where is the '''In the TCG''' section? -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|Politoed]][[User talk:Politoed666|666]][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

==Fly and Surf==

How can Pikachu learn fly and surf? I know Gameshark can but can anyone write something to show really how? [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 15:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

IT CAN'T! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:There are special promo Pikachu that learn these moves, but there is no way to teach a Pikachu these on its own. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that it can only be obtained through promos. I think writing in a more detailed way, exactly how it is being obtained and events to obtain it in the article would be more helpful. [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 13:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The TCG has a card called Flying Pikachu. The Pikachu has balloons tied around it, so that it could fly. Its attacks are Thundershock and Fly.

Old Glitch with the Yellow Pikachu. Use it in one of the two Stadiums through all eight battles in one of the cups and it can learn Surf. I personally have never been able to do it because I could never get my pika high enough to battle in the Cup, but I hear it can be done. Only method I know of. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]22:51 Dec. 21, 2008
:That wasn’t a glitch, it only occurred in Stadium 1, it specifically had to be a Master Ball round, and any Pikachu would work… [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== GSC Tail ==

How is Pikachu's tail backwards in GSC? Could someone show me? I can't tell!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at the two backsprites, and compare it to those of RSE and DP. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but doesn't [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]'s tail move around to different positions? Couldn't the staff use the excuse that the Pikachu turned its tail?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Of course. Same as the excuse to have Ash leave all of his Johto team at home before Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

:U don't need to be so rude about it!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh. In any case, it is quite apparent that they were trying to make the tail look more like a thunderbolt. ~ [[User:Zeofar|Zeofar]] 03:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sexist!? ==

The heart-shaped tail of the female Pikachu is criticized as being sexist? At least that's what a user put in the trivia section. I haven't heard of such a thing. Anyone else? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you know? Heart-shaped ''anything'' is sexist. BAN LUVDISC UNTIL THEY TURN IT INO A CD-ROM! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::Now that you mention it... How could I have ever forgotten? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I would have to agree with that sexist theory, using this spectrum of thought; what do we associate hearts with? Love and cuteness. Not all females are cut and love-obsessed, I can assure you that... ((Forgive me if that argument sounds somewhat incoherent, as I am somewhat sleep-deprived.)) --Deoxys Ribonuke
:Well, then I guess Heracross is sexist too then? As well as May's Bulbasaur. This is stupid, who ever brought that up? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I LUV PIKACHU - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Uiii|Uiii]] ([[User talk:Uiii|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Uiii|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...that's nice, but how does this have to do with this topic or the main article? - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 02:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
You know, I was rather concerned at first because I though the heading said "sexiest"... [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:Lol.Sexist is too harsh of a word for it[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

I really don't think its that much of an issue.....--Pokelova 01:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Right. Who cares? [[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 01:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::There are mad little kids who go on though... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm just compelled to point out the irony of posting in this topic two months later.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok...so? What do you think though?{{unsigned|Ht14}}
:::::The point is that it makes no sense to point out that sometimes people stay angry after the topic was dropped for two months.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu hasn't .... ==

Appeared at every movies.
How about the Legend of Thunder Pikachu didn't appear. {{unsigned|Justine53}}
: That is not a movie, that is a Pokémon Special for T.V only--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:: The Legend of Thunder! (Japanese: ポケットモンスタークリスタル・ライコウ　雷の伝説 Pocket Monsters Crystal: Raikou - Legend of Thunder) is a made-for-TV anime movie. it has movie in it.{{unsigned|Justine53}}
::: It's not really a movie seeing as it was only seen on T.V and/or DVD, Not in Cinemas (I think). --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::::There are currently 11 (to be 12) Pokémon movies. ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', ''[[The Power of One]]'', ''[[Spell of the Unown]]'', ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]'', ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]'', ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'', ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'', ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. ''[[To the Conquering of Space-Time]]'' isn't yet released, but when it is in July it will be #12. ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Thunder]]'' aren't movies. They're special episodes. In Japan, LOT and MR were covered in an hour, since LOT wasn't broken up by the morons at 4Kids over there. They were released in ''DECEMBER'', not ''JULY'', and DID NOT APPEAR IN JAPANESE MOVIE THEATERS. They aired on Thursday night at 7 like ''regular anime episodes'' for their debut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== How often has the species appeared in the anime... ==

...when it wasn't owned by Ash. In fact, was Sparky the most recent live Pikachu to appear? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:Uh...wasn't there a Pikachu named Sugar in [[DP024]]? ...but I think it was only a Pikachu in flashbacks. When it finally showed up it was a Raichu. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::No, it wasn't seen in flashback, and did not appeared in the episode at all, as I recall. TTE's right, if we are to count only the live Pikachu. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 13:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that's an interesting thing then. Another one's not been in the main anime since JOHTO. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu's clones slurred speech ==

It doesn't sound slurred to me. A little different from Ash's Pikachu's but not slurred [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==

As for Pikachu with special moves (like Nintendo Power's Surfing Pikachu), can the event move be passed down to offspring? [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 15:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:Interesting question. I guess no. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== What!?? ==
What the heck is the "Codec Information" thing on there?? It is not useful at all. Like the one on the page for Red (game). --[[User:FlamingStop|FlamingStop]] 13:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Solid Snake has a taunt only available on Shadow Moses island where he contacts a friend and they talk about someone he is fighting. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Pokémon Trainer, being in Brawl, all have Codec Discussions centering on them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu replacing Clefairy... ==

"Pikachu was not the original Pokémon mascot. It was supposed to be Clefairy, but this was changed because of the popularity of Ash's Pikachu."

This was stated in a interview? If someone has the source, I would like to see it.

And I wish that statement would be more specific. When was decided that Clefairy would be the mascot? Was it when that [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|crappy Pokémon manga]] proved successful in Japan? Or it was decided from the start, and the manga used Clefairy because of that? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 22:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pikachu (Pokémon)

2009-05-28T22:54:27Z

Spideym: /* Pikachu replacing Clefairy... */ new section

==Pika Pika ==

Dude, Pikachu looks *nothing* like a pika. Seriously.

It does in pictures I saw in National Geographic...[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 05:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not in any pictures I've ever seen. Pikas look more like nutrias to me.

I don't now what nutrias are, but I ''do'' know that Pikachu looks like a rabbit.

Regarding the name origin, I've been told that pikapika is an "expression for the brightness of gold", not simply just meaning sparkle. Can someone confirm? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 13:26, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is a very broad sound symbolism for sparkle - from ''daiya-ga pikapika hikaru'' (diamonds sparkle) to ''pikapika-no kagu'' (well-polished furniture), from ''hoshi-ga pikapika hikaru'' (stars twinkle) to ''pikapika-no ichinensei'' (not even going to try to figure this one out). I suppose it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say "gold shines" using ''pikapika''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 14:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

''pikapika-no ichinensei''. Gah, I never wanted to hear that again. One company uses that almost like a motto in every one of their rather annoying ads. They're probably in some of the old encodes I did. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 01:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is there any ''official'' source that states that its name comes from pikapika and not from the pika? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, Pikachu has the best name in my opinion, as it can have obvious meanings in both Japanese and English. As stated, Japanese has pikapika (sparkle) + chuchu (squeak). PLUS Pika (animal related to rabbit) and chu being homophonous to the English word "chew", like gnaw, as a rodent does. ^^ Official evidence or no, you have to admit it'd be some coincidence if the world's most popular Pokémon just happened to be the only one with such a perfectly suited name, neh? :3 [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 23:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

==Location Table==

Pleae give feedback to the [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex]] discussion. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|Fabu-Vinny]] 12:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

== Bio ==

I added a whole Biology section! Feedback, please. [[User:Supermariorobot|Supermariorobot]] 05:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
: Try not to write as if the subject were in the real world - comparisons to real domestic pets are simply unnecessary; instead, compare to other Pokémon. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

==Kanto Native?==
I noticed that in the games, Pikachu can only be found "in the wild" in the Kanto Region. In GSC, Pikachu was only on Route 2 in Kanto, in RSE, it was only in the Safari Zone, which contained only "imported" Pokemon (that is, no Generation III Pokemon), and in DP, it's only in the Trophy Garden, a place that's basically confirmed to be importing Pokemon from other regions.

These "coincidences" lead me to believe that Pikachu is native to the Kanto Region, and its appearance everywhere else is due to humans bringing them to other locals.

Ignoring anamonlies like Pokemon Ranger, would it be a stretch to say that Pikachu are normally found only in Kanto as a piece of Trivia?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 19:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:What is your reason for ignoring Fiore? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'd think it's Kanto-native, too, but yeah, Fiore brings up a problem. I do agree, though, that they plopped in in the Hoenn Safari Zone so that they could have an excuse to have it in the Hoenn Dex. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Because it's a "Side Game". And then you include the "wild" Pikachu in Mystery Dungeon, the Pikachu in Trozei!, and the "gift" Pikachu in PBR and Japanese Colosseum. Ranger also has Wild Starter Pokemon, Wild Fossils, and other anomolies, so I didn't include it. It was mostly a thought about the core RPGs. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 20:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Your anomolies don't mean much. The Trozei Pokémon are not wild, nor are the gift Pokémon. Orre only has nine wild Pokémon, none of which cause issues. Mystery Dungeon is set in a different dimension. However, Fiore is an established region with links to the world of the main RPGs. Starter Pokémon have to be found wild somewhere so being specific to Fiore where trainers are not found makes a lot of sense. The only fossil there is Aerodactyl, which is suitably found in an ancient area, not that fossils are that special any more.
::::You can mention that it is the case in the handheld main series but the side games still count in the canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

== Vandal Alert! ==

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;Don't worry, I reverted back to normal. I also told the admins to ban User:Deanpeps. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 11:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== TCG ==

Where is the '''In the TCG''' section? -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|Politoed]][[User talk:Politoed666|666]][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

==Fly and Surf==

How can Pikachu learn fly and surf? I know Gameshark can but can anyone write something to show really how? [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 15:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

IT CAN'T! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:There are special promo Pikachu that learn these moves, but there is no way to teach a Pikachu these on its own. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that it can only be obtained through promos. I think writing in a more detailed way, exactly how it is being obtained and events to obtain it in the article would be more helpful. [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 13:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The TCG has a card called Flying Pikachu. The Pikachu has balloons tied around it, so that it could fly. Its attacks are Thundershock and Fly.

Old Glitch with the Yellow Pikachu. Use it in one of the two Stadiums through all eight battles in one of the cups and it can learn Surf. I personally have never been able to do it because I could never get my pika high enough to battle in the Cup, but I hear it can be done. Only method I know of. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]22:51 Dec. 21, 2008
:That wasn’t a glitch, it only occurred in Stadium 1, it specifically had to be a Master Ball round, and any Pikachu would work… [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== GSC Tail ==

How is Pikachu's tail backwards in GSC? Could someone show me? I can't tell!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at the two backsprites, and compare it to those of RSE and DP. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but doesn't [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]'s tail move around to different positions? Couldn't the staff use the excuse that the Pikachu turned its tail?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Of course. Same as the excuse to have Ash leave all of his Johto team at home before Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

:U don't need to be so rude about it!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh. In any case, it is quite apparent that they were trying to make the tail look more like a thunderbolt. ~ [[User:Zeofar|Zeofar]] 03:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sexist!? ==

The heart-shaped tail of the female Pikachu is criticized as being sexist? At least that's what a user put in the trivia section. I haven't heard of such a thing. Anyone else? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you know? Heart-shaped ''anything'' is sexist. BAN LUVDISC UNTIL THEY TURN IT INO A CD-ROM! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::Now that you mention it... How could I have ever forgotten? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I would have to agree with that sexist theory, using this spectrum of thought; what do we associate hearts with? Love and cuteness. Not all females are cut and love-obsessed, I can assure you that... ((Forgive me if that argument sounds somewhat incoherent, as I am somewhat sleep-deprived.)) --Deoxys Ribonuke
:Well, then I guess Heracross is sexist too then? As well as May's Bulbasaur. This is stupid, who ever brought that up? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I LUV PIKACHU - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Uiii|Uiii]] ([[User talk:Uiii|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Uiii|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...that's nice, but how does this have to do with this topic or the main article? - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 02:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
You know, I was rather concerned at first because I though the heading said "sexiest"... [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:Lol.Sexist is too harsh of a word for it[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

I really don't think its that much of an issue.....--Pokelova 01:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Right. Who cares? [[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 01:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::There are mad little kids who go on though... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm just compelled to point out the irony of posting in this topic two months later.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok...so? What do you think though?{{unsigned|Ht14}}
:::::The point is that it makes no sense to point out that sometimes people stay angry after the topic was dropped for two months.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu hasn't .... ==

Appeared at every movies.
How about the Legend of Thunder Pikachu didn't appear. {{unsigned|Justine53}}
: That is not a movie, that is a Pokémon Special for T.V only--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:: The Legend of Thunder! (Japanese: ポケットモンスタークリスタル・ライコウ　雷の伝説 Pocket Monsters Crystal: Raikou - Legend of Thunder) is a made-for-TV anime movie. it has movie in it.{{unsigned|Justine53}}
::: It's not really a movie seeing as it was only seen on T.V and/or DVD, Not in Cinemas (I think). --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::::There are currently 11 (to be 12) Pokémon movies. ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', ''[[The Power of One]]'', ''[[Spell of the Unown]]'', ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]'', ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]'', ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'', ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'', ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. ''[[To the Conquering of Space-Time]]'' isn't yet released, but when it is in July it will be #12. ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Thunder]]'' aren't movies. They're special episodes. In Japan, LOT and MR were covered in an hour, since LOT wasn't broken up by the morons at 4Kids over there. They were released in ''DECEMBER'', not ''JULY'', and DID NOT APPEAR IN JAPANESE MOVIE THEATERS. They aired on Thursday night at 7 like ''regular anime episodes'' for their debut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== How often has the species appeared in the anime... ==

...when it wasn't owned by Ash. In fact, was Sparky the most recent live Pikachu to appear? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:Uh...wasn't there a Pikachu named Sugar in [[DP024]]? ...but I think it was only a Pikachu in flashbacks. When it finally showed up it was a Raichu. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::No, it wasn't seen in flashback, and did not appeared in the episode at all, as I recall. TTE's right, if we are to count only the live Pikachu. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 13:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that's an interesting thing then. Another one's not been in the main anime since JOHTO. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu's clones slurred speech ==

It doesn't sound slurred to me. A little different from Ash's Pikachu's but not slurred [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==

As for Pikachu with special moves (like Nintendo Power's Surfing Pikachu), can the event move be passed down to offspring? [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 15:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:Interesting question. I guess no. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== What!?? ==
What the heck is the "Codec Information" thing on there?? It is not useful at all. Like the one on the page for Red (game). --[[User:FlamingStop|FlamingStop]] 13:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Solid Snake has a taunt only available on Shadow Moses island where he contacts a friend and they talk about someone he is fighting. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Pokémon Trainer, being in Brawl, all have Codec Discussions centering on them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu replacing Clefairy... ==

"Pikachu was not the original Pokémon mascot. It was supposed to be Clefairy, but this was changed because of the popularity of Ash's Pikachu."

This was stated in a interview? If someone has the source, I would like to see it.

And I wish that statement would be more specific. When was decided that Clefairy would be the mascot? Was it when that [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|crappy (but popular in Japan) Pokémon manga]] proved successful? Or it was decided from the start, and the manga used Clefairy because of that? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 22:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-26T06:08:55Z

Spideym: /* Okay */

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-25T18:16:35Z

Spideym: /* Okay */

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Orange Islands

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Spideym:

{{RegionInfobox|
|name = Orange Archipelago
|jname = オレンジ諸島
|tmname = Orange Archipelago
|image = [[Image:Orange.jpg|250px]]
|caption = A complete map of the Orange Islands in relation to [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]]
|intro = [[Pokémon anime]]
|professor = [[Professor Ivy]]
|team = [[Team Rocket]]
|league = yes
|lname = [[Orange League]]
|location = [[Pummelo Island]]
|anime = yes
|season = [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|The Adventures in the Orange Islands]] (2)
|series = [[Original series|Original]]
}}

[[Image:Full orange islands map.JPG|thumb|right]]
The '''Orange Archipelago''' (Japanese: '''オレンジ諸島''' ''Orange Archipelago'') is a large chain of tropical islands shown in the [[anime]] that is located south of the [[Kanto]] region. [[Pokémon Trainer]]s come here to participate in the [[Orange League]], but its tropical climate also attracts many tourists. One effect of the climate is the presence of [[alternate coloration|alternate color]]ed Pokémon.

Most of the scattered islands in the archipelago are named after types of oranges (or other various citrus), but many are deserted.

The [[Officer Jenny]]s and [[Nurse Joy]]s of the archipelago dress in slightly different attire than those of the other regions. Some also appear to have tans.

This region appears only in the {{pkmn|anime}} and the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga. It is not accessible in any of the {{pkmn|games}}.

==Geography==
===Islands===
The islands, from north to south, west to east:
*[[Hamlin Island]]
*[[Tarroco Island]]
*[[Pummelo Island]]
*[[Kumquat Island]]
*[[Ascorbia Island]]
*[[Butwal Island]]
*[[Rind Island]]
*[[Cleopatra Island]]
*[[Shamouti Island]]
**Lightning Island
**Fire Island
**Ice Island
*[[Mandarin Island North]]
*[[Navel Island]]
*[[Mikan Island]]
*[[Fairchild Island]]
*[[Sunburst Island]]
*[[Seven Grapefruit Islands|Grapefruit Islands]]
*[[Kinnow Island]]
*[[Tangelo Island]]
*[[Pinkan Island]]
*[[Valencia Island]]
*[[Moro Island]]
*[[Golden Island]]
*[[Mandarin Island South]]
*[[Trovita Island]]
*[[Murcott Island]]

===Areas of interest===
* Pokémon Park on Tangelo Island

==League==
{{main|Orange League}}

Only four Orange League badges are required to participate in championship competition, held on [[Pummelo Island]]. The gym leaders in the order they were challenged are [[Cissy]], [[Danny]], [[Rudy]], and [[Luana]]. {{oi|Drake}} is the final challenge, only battling against someone who obtains all four Orange League badges.

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{{Regions}}
{{Islands of the Orange Archipelago}}
[[Category:Islands]]
[[Category:Anime locations]]

[[de:Orange-Archipel]]

[[fr:Archipel Orange]]
[[pt:Ilhas Laranjas]]

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

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Spideym: /* Animated sprite. */

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A{{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|13=N|15=N}}}} {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}-TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: "And Mozilla's slow.... too slow." < Untrue. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 16:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:RexRacer/Archive 3

2009-05-24T15:53:26Z

Spideym: /* Mr. Administrator */

{{User:RexRacer/Archive}}

== Template:L ==

Aren't link templates supposed to be protected?--'''[[User:Maria-williams|Maria]][[User_talk:Maria-williams|♥♪♫δ]]''' 07:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Considering that they don't link to ''anything'', meaning they aren't used except in very rare cases, they are useless link templates and are about to be deleted. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:: It was suppose to lead to a legendary trio article.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 07:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Take it up with TTE, he deleted it; and I got rid of it on your page because it was about to be deleted. -[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Link templates ==

They are a part of the official policy. Please use them.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 07:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:They were subst'd because they were about to be deleted. Thank you. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC) 07:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::Those weren't link templates. Those were laziness templates. Difference: one's used for 493 (and sometime soon, more) links, others are used for three. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Emailed to you. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

Sorry you missed me on AIM. I didn't have an away message up. If you need to talk to me still, please IM me. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. I got everything sorted out with TTE. Thanks for the heads-up, though! --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 22:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Violation ==

By using all caps on your reply to me, you violated [[Bulbapedia:Code_of_conduct#The_code_of_conduct_in_two_words|this]]. It says to "play nice", and using all caps certainly isn't nice at all. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 01:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:After an admin and the head honcho himself said it didn't violate ''anything'', I'm not worrying about it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 02:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::Because you hate me. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 02:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Guys, please...just drop it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 02:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::::I will when RexRacer admits it. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 02:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::No offense, Chocolate, but why are you so paranoid that everyone is out to get you and everyone hates you? --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]'''''[[wp:Peace movement|☮]]''''' 02:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::Because they act like they hate me. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 02:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I've said that I don't already. ''Drop it''.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 02:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

{{indent}} Well, then stop acting like you do hate me. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 02:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Where did he use bold words? And it's not really your job to catch people's mistakes such as this...so it would be better if you just stand back, hands-free.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::Acting is different than actuality. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]'''''[[wp:Peace movement|☮]]''''' 02:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Maybe you know this...maybe not ==

but redlinks to the userspace do not appear on the wanteds. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 05:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm. I thought the ultimate goal was to have no redlinks in any space. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::No redlinks to the mainspace, probably. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 00:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, I meant, anything linking to the userspace... so [[User:Pikachu]] wouldn't appear on the wanteds, even though it is a redlink. Every other space, however, does appear (except for usertalk). ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== {{template|User pedia admin}} ==

Why do you hate colons? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 22:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:Go ahead. Accuse me of hating something again. I really appreciate it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::pfff ridge racer only hates those who hate him.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 23:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::PONDER IT--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm curious about this too, actually. Is there really a difference between colons and dashes? I personally think the former is better than the latter, but.. - '''[[User talk:EspeonA|esp]][[Special:Contributions/EspeonA|eon]][[User:EspeonA|A]]''' 22:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I was trying to get him to deal with the fact that not everything is correct and needs to be done his way.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 22:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== uummm... ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACold&diff=637568&oldid=637567 what...?]--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:I was saying in two letters "You just made him even more confused". I chose "kk" because I still think of you as Kkllnn, and not Cold. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 22:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::oh...--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Outdated Party templates ==

Hey, why did you just eliminate my game section from [[Fantina's Drifblim]]? I agree that that Party template is outdated, but in my opinion is the one best suited for that section (as it lists not the whole team of a Trainer, but rather several movesets of the same Pokémon in different battles; it also involves a Super Contest moveset). I'd make a new one just suited for listing game movesets in Pokémon pages, but I don't know how, and I thought using that one would be neat enough. Also, even if we end up not using that template, the game info has to go in there somewhere, as Fantina's Drifblim isn't a Pokémon that just appears in the anime. [[User:Memo326|Memo]] 21:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== EFF YEAH ==

Agreed, pokemonmusicmaster on Youtube is a genius for uploading all that crap (except for those one-second things). And that battle theme you put up before, I had listened to that before too. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| Fi-ray ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 01:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

== Aura Gurdians ==

Can you make a User Tag for Aura Gurdians.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 13:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== {{u|Sketch}}'s talk page ==

Did he give you permission to archive it? [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. I just felt like doing it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::He can archive his talk page whenever ''he'' wants. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:::He has his rights in fact I'm gonna archive someones page for the hell of it.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::::You can't just archive a random person's archive just because ''you'' think it's too full. It's ''their'' choice. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:::::Acually we can.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::::::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASketch&diff=653522&oldid=653511 Nope.] [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Chocolate...they're joking. I asked him to since I don't know how. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:... yes... it is called sarcasm--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry hon, you're always going to be Chocolate no matter what you change your name to. You can't hide. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::But "Chocolate" is an insult to me. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 00:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Seriously... Get over it. You shouldn't of picked as your name to begin with. And please don't give me a sob story saying that the name is tainted with bad memories. Cope with it... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::::But it ''is'' tainted with bad memories. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Too bad. People remember you as Chocolate. Now please take this somewhere else, my talk page is getting cluttered.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 02:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::::::You do realize that you're gonna get me in trouble now, right? [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 02:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::How? I have nothing against you. I'm just saying that you changed your name two days ago. Two days after you became chocolate people still thought of you as baby g. Now please, leave me alone...--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna get in trouble because I promised that nobody could know my previous identity, and now everyone in the world knows. I hope you appreciate that my promise is broken now. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 02:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Then you shouldn't have paraded around TTE's PUBLIC TALK PAGE saying you're making a new account. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 02:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:Dude. You posted it on MY talk page. EVERYONE goes there at least once a day. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:Still, if someone gives permission to do a sensitive action, don't make it look like they didn't--(most) sysops will take the "they didn't give permission" part and take it seriously. Higher-ups tend to lack a sense of humor when it comes to stuff like this, and what one sees as a funny joke, another sees as an insultive action. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Most of the higher ups are in the AIM chatroom where I gave permission. Including TTE. It's fine. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Guys, I'm not even kidding. Lay off <s>Choco-boy</s> O Degrees. He's right; you can't archive someone else's talk page if they didn't give you permission. Instead of responding with non-blatant sarcasm, just say what happened. And O°, just refrain from continuing to harp on a discussion if you start feeling ganged-up on. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
==Marshmallows in Skarmory==

Hopefully in generation 5 the pokedex entry will mention both Skarmory's hollowness and its stuffing. Until then, I finalized the physiology and there shouldn't be any more problems from me. I am sorry I had a bad start. [[User:Jacobe|Jacobe]] 00:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Jacobe

I am positive that it is true. The original sentence just said that Skarmory was light, and I was trying to provide the reason for the lightness. I will go back and restore the original sentence.

That said, before I made edits on the Skarmory page it was unreadable.{{unsigned|Jacobe}}

== Help ==

Okay I'm new to this so I want to know how this editing thing really works. Can you help me make sure I don't get blocked or change anything wrong?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Stevenyeffcoat}} ([[User talk:Stevenyeffcoat|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevenyeffcoat|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== Thanks for the help ==

That helps so thanks. I found out today when the new Pokémon movies was going to be aired but I went to wikipedia to see who the voice actors will be... apparently they are wrong. [[User:Stevenyeffcoat|'''Steven]][[Lucario (Pokémon)|Yeffcoat''']] [[User talk:StevenYeffcoat|'''''-talk''''']] 02:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Talk to be me on AIM ==

Now.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 01:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:What? I don't really use it anymore. But okay...--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Just so you know ==

Pokemon.com =/= Confirmation. They've been wrong before. It's best to wait till it airs before changing anything. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

==An Idea==
Since you removed that Trivia post from the latest Anime episode I had an idea and if you don't like it I'll just drop it but here is what I have so far:

'''Also unlike the anime, in the games [[Status ailment#Attract|Attract]] will only not wear off after on its own, but only different methods, most notably after the Pokémon who used it or the Pokémon who was afflicted leaves the battle.'''

The purpose of what I want to see it is readded without metioning the items, but I would like your opinion first. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm. It's pretty good, might I suggest changing it to this? "Another notable difference between the anime and the games concerns Attraction, which, in the games, does not wear off on its own." Short and simple.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Right I'll do it your way since it doesn't need to be too detailed though what I was trying to say is the most common method. Besides I believe there are better ways of just re-editing than just delete an important note like that since it reflects a difference between the games and anime. But anyway thanks for your support and I'll re-update your idea abit but still keep it in the perimeters that you were trying to do.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Good job ==

Thank you for marking that anoying template for deletion, are regular users aloud to just add the deletion template out of the blue because we think the page should be deleted or should we get an admin's permission?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 03:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 03:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== . . . ==

If people would place the notices at the bottom of the page like they're supposed to, I would. Is there a rule against conforming to the norm of the styles? Besides that, who are you to tell me I can't make edits to the mainspace? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 23:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:I am the leader of Project BerryDex, and I am asking you to stop imposing messing with the berry articles. That's who I am. Without the template over it, the formatting for some pages is screwed up. Also, if we want consistanty, we will have all of the articles one way, not mismatched to make it similer to the other, non-berry pages.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::The thing is, the notices--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC) go on the BOTTOM of the page. THE BOTTOM. You can ask Maverick Nate. "Project Notices - Go below everything." That exactly what Nate said. If you see my talk page, you'll know that's what he said. I was only following what an admin told me. Are you an admin? No, you're not, so I'd assume you don't know the styles. Kthnxbai. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 23:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::You want the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Touga_Berry&oldid=690856 alternative]?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Uh, no, I want to follow to styles, duh. But, whatever, it's not my problem if you're not going to obey the rules. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 23:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Shinji, calm down. Your edits were making problems with the prevnext appearing on Internet Explorer. Reverting them may not have been the best route to take to rectify the issue that was caused, but it is acceptable to remove such formatting issues. Also, RexRacer is the leader of the BerryDex project, that does give him authority regarding berry articles. We've found a fix that will allow the pages to fit with what both of you want to see, so please stop this bickering. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 23:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, why am '''I''' the only one being told to calm down? Secondly, I was only doing what Maverick Nate told me to do. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 00:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:So '''now''' you're going to put the notices at the bottom? Criminy. . >.> ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 08:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Calm down.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::: ._. When was I freaking out? Oh, and mind your own buisness. Kthnxbai. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 08:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:That was just rude and as I said I'm telling the truth Idc if I intervene unless Rex asks me I'll but out.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::And someone told you I wasn't rude? Telling the truth about ''what''?? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 08:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:::You went into that '''whole''' explanation for absolutely nothing. If you were actually going to put all the notices at the bottom, especially after I thought of it first, you could have told me instead of making yourself out to be even more of an asshole than I already think you are. =/ Too bad. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 22:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Both sides, this is getting out of hand. Let's drop everything and pretend it never5 happened. The edits are done, and now we can move on, deal? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{bp|Project Games}} ==

Hi RexRacer! You are a member of the Project Games and so, I thought I would ask you if you have any reliable source of information about the [[Spin-off Pokémon games]]. As you are probably aware, they need the most attention of the project members. Your help in expanding these articles would be deeply appreciated. Thank you.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 12:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Template:FB ==

OK, so it was originally intended for frontier brains. That doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere, if it's convenient. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 17:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
: *cough* Your talkpage, sir. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:: I believe that it is only intended for Frontier Brains and should not be used anywhere else. I made the template to replace the individual laziness Frontier Brain templates, making them all into one.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Still, it was originally <nowiki>[[Magikarp salesman|salesman]]</nowiki>. Doesn't that look exactly like the kind of thing that a link template should be used for? You gotta admit it, <nowiki>{{FB|Magikarp|salesman}}</nowiki> is much better, right? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 18:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Laziness issue. Use it ONLY for the design it's for. That's the idea. Same with Template:DL. Only used for items. Not TCG. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I really don't care, to be honest.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I resent the idea that using link templates for laziness is discouraged. I see laziness as using convenience to its fullest extent, making the most of it, possibly helping to streamline life for others, leading by example. In short, I see it as a GOOD thing. Instead of writing <nowiki>[[Pokémon]]</nowiki>, it's much easier to write <nowiki>{{g|}}</nowiki>. Both of them come to the same thing. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 19:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Override to server, etc. Too risky. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, override to server? What the heck does that mean? And how is using link templates for laziness purposes too risky??? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 19:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The point is not to confuse new users when they are editing. When they see <nowiki>{{g|}}</nowiki> they will have no idea what that means. That is one of the reasons it is only supposed to be used on its intended purpose, Pokémon XD. I prohibitted it from the TCG because I want people who edit to be worried about content, not whether a laziness template is used or not. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:And there you have it. Admin saves the day. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

くうちゅうさっぽう? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

==[[AG166]]==
I was just undoing the spoiler links I put in a few edits before. I read the {{bp|Manual of style}} and on the {{bt|Manual of style|discussion page}}, this issue was addressed. [[User:Rockersk08|rockersk08]] 17:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit? Shippings are not supported by the Pokémon Company [[User:Mr.Yellow|Mr.Yellow]] 00:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is redundant. Shipping is made up by fans. Nowhere does it say anything about official support.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I know it is but why don't make a template about that? (I can make one if you want) [[User:Mr.Yellow|Mr.Yellow]] 00:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:There is already one. {{template|Fan speculation}}. It doesn't need to be added to the shipping articles because they are all under the Shipping: namepace, which automatically makes them speculation.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Regirock ==

I was going to change an image on the {{p|Regirock}} page, but I can't, because it's protected by you. Would you mind terribly if you could change that image in the "in the anime" section to this image?

[[Image:Regirock_LATMOM.png|300px]]

And I have a question to ask. How do you create a page? Are admins the only ones allowed to do that? [[User: Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 3 April 2009 31:00 (UTC)
:Anyone can create a page. Just type in what you want the page to be called in the search bar, and it will give you a redlink. Click on the redlink, and it will give you a blank edit window for the page that you want to create. As for images, the reason that only administrators can change images is that some users get into edit wars over them, with differing opinions on which one is the best. Why do you want the image changed? Is there something wrong with the original one?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't like the current image, it's got some artifacting, and it's on [[Brandon's Regirock|another page]]. [[User: Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 50:59 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page on the Regirock in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew? [[User: Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 5 April 2009 (UTC) 43:03

:It wasn't really that notable...--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 04:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

::Well, I thought it was, considering it's a legendary Pokemon in a movie... [[User: Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 5 April 2009 (UTC) 57:11

:::True. Bur it did so little besides preventing the group and Kidd to go in the Tree of (Something)--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 04:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

==First off....==
I was never 'warned' by another admin about adding the trivia, only to cease the edit war and bring it to the talk page; Second, why is the point of debating said trivia if mods are totally intolerant towards such an idea, and ignore any supporting reason or justification such action? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Fossilgojira}} ([[User talk:Fossilgojira|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fossilgojira|contribs]]) ''
:First, Kogoro is one of the most powerful admins on Bulbapedia. Second, you continued to war. Third, it's an opinion. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Your point? I do not fear merely because they have a title. I "continued to war", as you put it, because no compromise had been reached, and that's not even taking into account that 'it's an opinion' is an opinion.[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 01:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::For clarification, we do not allow opinions, as they can vary from person to person. No more plz. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Why'd you delete that, is there any way to restore it, if so please do, if you object to restoring it tell me why, if you can't restore tell me--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 03:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:I believe that it was deleted to hastily as well. Why does [[Bruno's Onix]] get a page but not this? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::and honestly [[Johanna's Glameow]] has a page.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 03:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::It was voted so over AIM. I ''can'' restore it, but it is an unnecessary article, so I will not.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 03:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Need Help in posting News!!!! ==

Hello, I am a regular bulbapedia user and i want to submit a news. The source of the news is Pokebeach. My question is that can i post those news which are taken from pokebeach or it is a copyright case. I want to post a news on bulbapedia but i have a confusion of being copyrighted. So please help me and reply me as soon as possible.
--♫♪[[User talk:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']]♪♫ 07:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, stop right there. Don't post this anywhere else, you are spamming everyone's talk pages... First, you should ask yourself if you are plagiarizing the article. If not, you ''should'' be fine. Second, post a message on Argy's talk page on Bulbanews and ask her. She is the one you are looking for.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Hay buddy,
i am not spamming but the problem is that no body is replying me.
I just want to help bulbapedia and i asked from them because they are the admins.
But still i am sorry to disturb you guys.
Thanks alot for helping me.
--♫♪[[User talk:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']]♪♫ 07:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:...you posted on four talk pages in less than 15 minutes. Not everyone is always online. It's okay, though. Just remember, okay? --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay i will try to remember it.
So now can i ask about it from argy and post my problem on Argy's Discussion page.--♫♪[[User talk:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']]♪♫ 07:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Template ==

RexRacer, I think people will actually use this template. By the time you had written that comment, I was almost done with it. I think that people will want to use this template, and if they don't, then it can be deleted, but before then, let's give it a try? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 23:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:Well first, TTE wrote the initial coding for it, so you might want to ask him before you post it as a template. Also, tempaltes for the userspace are generally discouraged unless they are usertags, which I like to get rid of anyway. Mainly I didn't want you spending a lot of time making a template that I was planning on deleting. Idk... Ask someone else. Ask TTE for a second opinion and see if he is even okay with you using his work.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::'''If and only if''' it's okay with the Echidna-in-Chief, create it as a usersubpage (i.e. [[User:Example/Subpage]]). Do not put it in the main template space. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Replied to [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:The_dark_lord_trombonator#Trainer_Card_Template THE TROM]]- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pandamonia}} ([[User talk:Pandamonia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|contribs]]) ''

== Why are you reverting... ==

...my edits? They're those that have been blocked for infinite...gone...never to come again...sockpuppets, etc. MAGNEDETH and I have been doing this, and I'm just cleaning up those pages... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe...but Zackattack's page doesn't even have anyone "yelling" at him at all... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::Pages are only to be deleted if they have the welcome on them. Otherwise they are kept for archival purposes. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 03:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Zachattack... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Notability has nothing to do with it. It's the talk page of a vandal that vandalized before we had the welcome template up and running.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's not about notability. As I said earlier, there's no user that said anything at all to him regarding his edits. Simply blocked. Your idea implies that a user from the past could be fine, and then come back a little later, vandalizing, and his page could still be kept, right? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Wait, what?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You could try to figure that out, admin, however, at least understand the Zach issue...nobody else posted on the talk page besides himself... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::TTE said he wanted to keep some, so, hold off on the deletion of talk pages. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:I figured THAT much out... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::Final question then. How are us "non-admins" supposed to know those sort of updates? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::You can get AIM, or you could just take our word for it when things come up. It wasn't really an issue, IMO.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Alrighty then. Thank you, and sorry for wasting your time. Goodnight. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::...well? About the Zach user... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== So uh... ==

Can I edit those pages again? I mean the ones with User in front of them?
--Mclena45 21:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it, dude. Try to stay under five a day.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 22:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Changing talk pages? ==

You told me not to change them. The only one I changed was my own.....

Just continue this here please... --[[User:Cat2killer|Catu42]] 21:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:You are not allowed to remove comments from your talk page.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 21:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry... ==

I didn`t mean to put it im just exited but thanks.....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 15:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Source ==

Please undo your edit to the "Gunk Shot" page. If you want proof that is the correct meaning for that move in Japanese, paste ダストシュート into the dictionary here http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1E for your verification. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do you speak Japanese?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::Because if not, I'm not changing it back. For one, I speak basic Japanese, and that translates as "Dust Shoot". Also, a move is a verb, not an inanimate object. Koffing! Use Garbage Disposal Chute! ........... See what I mean? Koffing! Use Dust Shoot! If your only proof is an online translator, than it is not moving.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

::Hi again. Actually, I'm Japanese but I was born here. The reason why I brought it up is that in Japan, "Dust Chute" is an actual word for a garbage disposal box. In the game, you see the Pokemon focus a big ball of gunk and then unleash it onto an enemy - there is no dust particles involved because "dust" is associated with garbage or trash in Japan (if you've played Mega Man, look up Dust Man). The name of the move is actually a pun in Japanese, since it could mean "Garbage Shoot" or "Garbage Chute" depending how you see it. Leaving it as "dust" seems misleading though. Let me know what you think [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 17:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't really care, to be honest. Seemed odd to me, so I reverted it. It kinda sucks to change things like that around Bulbapedia, because there are so many pages that have the information on them. Also, Dasuto Shuuto (in katakana) seemed much more likely to be Dust Shoot than Rubbish Disposal Chute, you know? If you still want to change it, I guess I'm okay with it... However, I will ask that before doing anything, consult {{ut|Urutapu|Urutapu}}, he knows more Japanese than I do. If it's all clear with him, then go for it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Before I ask him, whatever happened to the Teeter Dance question you had for him? You were right in saying that フラフラダンス is in fact translated as Hula-Hula Dance, and I thought articles had the English name above the Japanese translated name on the info box to the right of the article? Keeping the translation like that is like saying "Sweet Kiss" in Japanese is NOT "Angel's Kiss" (which it is). [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 03:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not exactly sure, to tell you the truth. While the definition could be stretched to mean Hula-Hula Dance, it would literally be "Fula-Fula Dance", something that I don't think exists. I could be wrong on this as well, but at the time he outranked me, being an administrator way before I became one. I decided not to argue because arguing with admins usually doesn't get you anywhere on Bulbapedia, and I didn't really care about it (if you haven't already noticed, I'm fairly laid back). So I guess my answer is that I gave up?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I understand the difference in ranks, but if you're posting inaccuracies, then what's the point of making sure things are correct? フラフラダンス ''is'' Hula-Hula Dance (since the ''fu'' and ''hu'' are interchangeable,) so it should get changed. The same applies with some other moves, and Gunk Shot. I know it's not a huge issue and I'm also pretty laid-back, but all these things add up, don't you think? I'll go over the other translations of moves/items etc. and see if there are other inconsistencies. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::If you'd be willing to sift through all of our translations, I suppose you can. There are definetely inconsistancies throughout the encyclopedia, as well as inacuracies. So go ahead, but come to {{ut|Urutapu|Urutapu}} or me before making any changes.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 21:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay... ==

Thanks for ditching me, man.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 02:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I claim no responsibility for AIMfails. Give it a minute or two.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 02:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]] ==

Why did you revert my edits? What's the matter with them? --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 22:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Well, let's take a look. They don't really have any need to be there. Play by play, here is why the edits that you made were useless. 
''Pocket Monsters Soulsilver'') are '''''two''''' paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|remake}}
 You added two to that sentance, making it redundant. A pair means two.
will revisit the '''''[[Generation II]]''''' story of [[Johto]],
 Again, Johto was only in Generation II. There is no reason to further clarify it.
is that the geography of New Bark Town, while '''''graphically''''' updated, has not changed.
 Anyone with a brain can infer this.
lab as he did in Generation II''''', indicating that he is the player's rival as he was in the original Pokémon Gold and Silver.'''''
 Blue was the rival in FRLG. We have no reason to believe that Silver wouldn't be the same, as well. --[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::That was quite educating, to say the least. Thanks. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|RWAR!!]]''' 03:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

Hey there,

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a limit on how much you could edit your page! How long do you suggest I wait before editing again?

Sorry again. 
~[[User:Asrai|Asrai]]
:Check out the {{bp|Userspace policy}} for information. Wait another ten hours or so. Try to limit your userspace editing to a few a day, and remember to use that preview button.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 14:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== You. ==

Get on AIM. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

== Crap.... ==

{{u|RelelBasge}}

Block please. I didn't realize until now that's it's most likely the same person. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== {{u|Assassin}} ==

Unacceptable username. Block him/her/most likely him please. --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 12:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind. Don't block him. Feel free to ignore this. --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 17:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mr. Administrator ==

Enlighten me. Why the undo? What rule or guideline did I fail to follow? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:RexRacer/Archive 3

2009-05-24T15:46:57Z

Spideym:

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-05-24T15:31:22Z

Spideym: Oh yeah? Then why didn't you deleted ALL the "useless comments"? And why did you restore the ignorant comment by Kiryu (who has no idea about how the games work)?

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A{{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|13=N|15=N}}}} {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}-TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----
==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: ^ The Mozilla part is BS. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-05-24T12:19:22Z

Spideym: /* Animated sprite. */

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A{{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|13=N|15=N}}}} {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}-TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: ^ The Mozilla part is BS. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-05-24T12:18:34Z

Spideym: /* Animated sprite. */

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A{{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|13=N|15=N}}}} {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}-TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: ^ BS. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-05-24T12:09:43Z

Spideym: /* ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense */

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A{{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|13=N|15=N}}}} {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}-TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----
==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation IV)/Sinnoh

2009-05-22T22:10:26Z

Spideym: /* Why? */

==Battle Zone==

Why does this site refer to it as replacing the Battle Zone? According to new maps, the Battle Zone is still there, and this will just take place of the Battle Park.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== hint to GSDS? ==

Its gonna be set in Johto as in Gen 3 they visited Kanto again in the anime like the games did so Gen 4 will have to put frontier in a region and the only one left is Johto, if they are plannig to go to Johto again in the game they will in the anime as the 2 are linked. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 13:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:That was hard to understand but you're saying this may be evidence for a GSDS? Probably already on that page. And at any rate, it is NOT for sure that there WILL BE a GSDS. It may come in the next generation. If you do the math, this would that Gen V would have to make remakes of Hoenn and Kanto. Gen 7 would have to make 3 remakes. Gen 9 would make 4. It's exponentially increasing. (PS, I hope Pokémon makes it to 9 generations) [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Not really. If they don't dump compatibility with Gen I-IV in Gen V, there'd be no need for remakes. The reason why FRLG came about was because of the lack of compatibility between Gen I/II and III. Same would be for GSDS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::...and if thinking just a LITTLE, that arguments makes no sense. Why do you think they added the legendary birds and golems for capturing in Hoenn, for example? Wondered if that it's because MANY players owns DPPt, but NOT R/S/E/FR/LG, making it HARD for them to capture the Hoenn, Kanto OR Johto Pokémon, unless SOME of them where added to Platinum? And that they STILL NEVER CAN complete the PokéDex, UNLESS GSDS IS RELEASED, WITH AN EXTENCTION OF THE SEVII ISLANDS AND OTHER LOCATIONS. Why do you even THINK they made DP compatible with JOHTO-GAMES FOR THE FIRST, IF THE ''NEVER'' PLANNED TO RELEASE ANY? And yes, the Battle Frontier DOES INDEED confirm that Johto WILL RETURN. Because, if I'm not all wrong, thinking that they choose to have the PREVIOUS in the series, WILL lead to having the NEW one, with ASH attending it. And my very certain that they won't place it in either Kanto, Hoenn or Sinnoh as they've been explored more recently, and we can dream of the Orange Aerchipelago, Sevii Islands or Orre, with leaves Johto as the ONLY answer. And remember; Orange Aerchipelago where created as a FILLER between Kanto and Johto, IN THE ANIME AND MANGA ONLY, so excepting it, EVERY region explored in the anime, EVEN TWICE, have also been explored so many times in the games and manga. {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}}
::::#This conversation is nearly two months old at this point. I don't think there's much of a point yelling about things we didn't even KNOW back then, like the legendary birds.
::::#This belongs more in the forums (where, by the way, I've already made a post to this effect, only without the caps and anime stuff).
::::#CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. LET US ALWAYS COMMUNICATE USING CAPS LOCK AND NEVER LET ANYONE TELL US OTHERWISE. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 20:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Why is this called Battle Frontier? tc26 06:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Same reason that the Hoenn one is? Look on the Platinum site for "バトルフロンティア", that's the Japanese for it. It's why we knew the Sinnoh Battle Tower was the Battle Tower. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Heck, in that gif of screenshots, it says right in there, "WELCOME TO THE BATTLE FRONTIER!" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
ANOTHER?! Where's the location in the anime now?! I mean, what's so wrong with just having one Battle Frontier? Anyway, I got a good feeling what the plot device is in Season 12...[[User:Paul'sDialga|Paul'sDialga]] (John 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC))
:"What's so wrong with just having one Battle Frontier?" That it's TOO DAMN AWESOME to be forgotten after one generation, that's what's so wrong with having just one. The question should be "Why wasn't the Battle Frontier in D/P?".
:And WTF is wrong with having MULTIPLE Battle Frontiers? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== image shape ==

the shape of the image we have indicates that it will fit in the battle park area, therefore it is possible that it will just be translated as an "improved battle park". lord mada 09:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Prinplup head? ==

It looks kinda like Swampert's head as well. At least, that's what I thought the first time I saw the artwork for it. Which do you think fits more?

== Theories on the other facilities. ==

1) The Castle-like structure might be the equivalent of the Battle Palace (in Hoenn).

== Head Brain ==

Pun aside, is it Palmer or Kate? There seems to be some confusion on that issue. I personally think, because Palmer remains animated at the end of the battle and following from Anabel, that he is the leader. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 05:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Names of the new Frontier Brains ==

Probably people realized,all japanese names of these people are the names of Plants!With the exception of Palmer ,who was introduced in D/P.But Palmer's name,besides the similarity to his son's name,Pearl;is similar to Palm tree.It's as if Nintendo knew about the new Battle Frontier long time ago...{{unsigned|Uxie legend}}
:The vast majority of significant NPCs are named after plants (in Japanese). Gym Leaders, professors, Frontier Brains, the Elite Four, the PC developers...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== New Facility Names ==

Besides the Tower and Factory, Serebii has revealed new names for the remaining facilities:

*Battle Roulette=Battle Arcade
*Battle Stage=Battle Hall
*Battle Castle is the only one that doesn't change. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 21:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Random? ==

Is it me or is the Bsttle Tower set. The others seem to throw random trainers at you. I tried several times at the tower and I got the same trainers. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 02:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Retiring ==
Does retiring reset your win streak? Also, should there be a section explaining what each of the options presented to the player means? [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:Obviously. What else would "retire" mean? And I intend to revamp this page as I've done to the Hoenn one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== 171st Battle Hall battle? ==

Does anybody know what happens after the 170th battle at the Battle Hall? Like, after you beat Argenta for the 2nd time? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation IV)/Sinnoh

2009-05-22T21:52:19Z

Spideym: /* Why? */

==Battle Zone==

Why does this site refer to it as replacing the Battle Zone? According to new maps, the Battle Zone is still there, and this will just take place of the Battle Park.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== hint to GSDS? ==

Its gonna be set in Johto as in Gen 3 they visited Kanto again in the anime like the games did so Gen 4 will have to put frontier in a region and the only one left is Johto, if they are plannig to go to Johto again in the game they will in the anime as the 2 are linked. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 13:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:That was hard to understand but you're saying this may be evidence for a GSDS? Probably already on that page. And at any rate, it is NOT for sure that there WILL BE a GSDS. It may come in the next generation. If you do the math, this would that Gen V would have to make remakes of Hoenn and Kanto. Gen 7 would have to make 3 remakes. Gen 9 would make 4. It's exponentially increasing. (PS, I hope Pokémon makes it to 9 generations) [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Not really. If they don't dump compatibility with Gen I-IV in Gen V, there'd be no need for remakes. The reason why FRLG came about was because of the lack of compatibility between Gen I/II and III. Same would be for GSDS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::...and if thinking just a LITTLE, that arguments makes no sense. Why do you think they added the legendary birds and golems for capturing in Hoenn, for example? Wondered if that it's because MANY players owns DPPt, but NOT R/S/E/FR/LG, making it HARD for them to capture the Hoenn, Kanto OR Johto Pokémon, unless SOME of them where added to Platinum? And that they STILL NEVER CAN complete the PokéDex, UNLESS GSDS IS RELEASED, WITH AN EXTENCTION OF THE SEVII ISLANDS AND OTHER LOCATIONS. Why do you even THINK they made DP compatible with JOHTO-GAMES FOR THE FIRST, IF THE ''NEVER'' PLANNED TO RELEASE ANY? And yes, the Battle Frontier DOES INDEED confirm that Johto WILL RETURN. Because, if I'm not all wrong, thinking that they choose to have the PREVIOUS in the series, WILL lead to having the NEW one, with ASH attending it. And my very certain that they won't place it in either Kanto, Hoenn or Sinnoh as they've been explored more recently, and we can dream of the Orange Aerchipelago, Sevii Islands or Orre, with leaves Johto as the ONLY answer. And remember; Orange Aerchipelago where created as a FILLER between Kanto and Johto, IN THE ANIME AND MANGA ONLY, so excepting it, EVERY region explored in the anime, EVEN TWICE, have also been explored so many times in the games and manga. {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}}
::::#This conversation is nearly two months old at this point. I don't think there's much of a point yelling about things we didn't even KNOW back then, like the legendary birds.
::::#This belongs more in the forums (where, by the way, I've already made a post to this effect, only without the caps and anime stuff).
::::#CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. LET US ALWAYS COMMUNICATE USING CAPS LOCK AND NEVER LET ANYONE TELL US OTHERWISE. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 20:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Why is this called Battle Frontier? tc26 06:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Same reason that the Hoenn one is? Look on the Platinum site for "バトルフロンティア", that's the Japanese for it. It's why we knew the Sinnoh Battle Tower was the Battle Tower. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Heck, in that gif of screenshots, it says right in there, "WELCOME TO THE BATTLE FRONTIER!" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
ANOTHER?! Where's the location in the anime now?! I mean, what's so wrong with just having one Battle Frontier? Anyway, I got a good feeling what the plot device is in Season 12...[[User:Paul'sDialga|Paul'sDialga]] (John 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC))
:"What's so wrong with just having one Battle Frontier?" That it's TOO DAMN AWESOME to be forgotten after one generation, that's what's so wrong with having just one. Heck, they should have included the Battle Frontier in D/P, and maybe expand it in Platinum. And WTF is wrong with MULTIPLE Battle Frontiers? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== image shape ==

the shape of the image we have indicates that it will fit in the battle park area, therefore it is possible that it will just be translated as an "improved battle park". lord mada 09:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Prinplup head? ==

It looks kinda like Swampert's head as well. At least, that's what I thought the first time I saw the artwork for it. Which do you think fits more?

== Theories on the other facilities. ==

1) The Castle-like structure might be the equivalent of the Battle Palace (in Hoenn).

== Head Brain ==

Pun aside, is it Palmer or Kate? There seems to be some confusion on that issue. I personally think, because Palmer remains animated at the end of the battle and following from Anabel, that he is the leader. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 05:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Names of the new Frontier Brains ==

Probably people realized,all japanese names of these people are the names of Plants!With the exception of Palmer ,who was introduced in D/P.But Palmer's name,besides the similarity to his son's name,Pearl;is similar to Palm tree.It's as if Nintendo knew about the new Battle Frontier long time ago...{{unsigned|Uxie legend}}
:The vast majority of significant NPCs are named after plants (in Japanese). Gym Leaders, professors, Frontier Brains, the Elite Four, the PC developers...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== New Facility Names ==

Besides the Tower and Factory, Serebii has revealed new names for the remaining facilities:

*Battle Roulette=Battle Arcade
*Battle Stage=Battle Hall
*Battle Castle is the only one that doesn't change. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 21:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Random? ==

Is it me or is the Bsttle Tower set. The others seem to throw random trainers at you. I tried several times at the tower and I got the same trainers. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 02:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Retiring ==
Does retiring reset your win streak? Also, should there be a section explaining what each of the options presented to the player means? [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:Obviously. What else would "retire" mean? And I intend to revamp this page as I've done to the Hoenn one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== 171st Battle Hall battle? ==

Does anybody know what happens after the 170th battle at the Battle Hall? Like, after you beat Argenta for the 2nd time? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Gary Oak

2009-05-13T04:28:09Z

Spideym: /* EP013 */

Should Gary's game data be here or under "Blue_(game)"? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

"Gary has an attitude of catch first, ask questions later, as seen in It's Mr. Mime Time."

I recall hearing this in the dub; is it a dub only line? --[[User:Paperfairy|Paperfairy]]

== Gary's Electabuzz? ==

How do we know that his Electivire evolved from Electabuzz? Where's the proof? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:well the only way to get an electrivire is to evolve a electabbuzz by tradin with electrizer but im not sure if it applies to the anime [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

Old comment!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::And obviously, Evolving in the anime is WAY different that in games. Slopoke -> SLowbro for example.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 22:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== about his pokemon... ==

Look, I know the Jr. novelizations of pokemon aren't exactly canon with the pokemon series and all that, but didn't they mention Gary also having a Charizard and a Venusaur in addition to his Blastoise in the book "Stage fight"? I mean, sure, that book might not have been canon (It mentioned Ash's Pidgeot still being under his command despite his releasing it right after it evolved and defeated Fearow), but shouldn't it at least be worth noting in at least the Trivia section? just wondering.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

:If we note that, then we'd also have to note the Charizard he toted in the Robot Chicken sketch "Pikachu Secret", from the episode {{wp|Cracked China}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

::Those books were basically authorized fanfiction. It's non-canon, so it shouldn't be mentioned. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 23:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

== Gary's Status ==
I remember that Gary used to be a trainer, but he stop to be a pokemon researcher, I'm not sure which region, but here was even in Pokemon Housou/ Chronicles as such, shouldn't his status change from trainer to professor or something? - [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 03:24, 07 October 2007 (UTC)
:Technically now he's not yet Professor Oak the younger, because he hasn't been seen to get whatever one needs... and has no labcoat. He's on his way... but I don't think he's a professor yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:I don't that he is a Rivel of Ash anymore , I think that Paul is more of Rivel than Gary.
[[User:Pokemon157|Pokemon157]] 5:34, 08 October 2007
::Paul's more of an asshat than Gary now, yes, but Gary and Ash are still rivals, though on more friendly terms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Temporary ==

Do we really need the temporary section in the page? This is Gary we're talking about, not Max. [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 17:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

:He didn't keep the {{p|Hoothoot}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, or {{p|Shieldon}}. Thus, we need that Temporary section. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Its just like Max. He just befriended them and he never caught them. Hoothoot was just rented. That doesn't mean you own it. [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's Appearance ==
I'm not sure if this is valid but, aside from the fact that he has the same voice actor, but he also wears the same clothing as the video game, in the Kanto series of Pokemon he wore the same thing or at least a strong look-a-like of his game counterpart, in the rest of the series (from the point of Pokemon: FireRed and LeafGreen) Gary changes to a black shirt and purple pants, I believe that ever since that time and the fact that his character was not designed to wear new clothing, that he still looks the way he is in Diamond and Pearl Series

Also, Ash, Brock and Misty changes their clothing during each arc, this is just something i felt i need to being to notice, if you already know this sorry. - [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 07:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah. Gary's design during the Gen I/II era of the anime (AKA, the [[original series]] in its entirety) was based off of {{ga|Blue}}'s Red/Blue art. During the Gen III/IV era (the [[Advance Generation series|Advance Generation]] and [[Diamond & Pearl series]]), his design's based off of Blue's FireRed/LeafGreen art. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

When did Gary wear a kimono? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 17:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

When the original trio was looking for a place to stay in Season 1 but... I 4get wich eppy!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'' if I remember correctly. Let me just check. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::yep ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Where'd u find it?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:I just pulled the episode out of storage and watched it to see if it was correct. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Houndoom? ==

When did Gary get a Houndoom?[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
:Well according to [http://www.serebii.net/anime/characters/gary.shtml here,] he never batteled with it, but it was seen on a computer with his profile in [[EP269|The Ties that Bind]]. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Edit ==

Could a mod please change the [[EP001]] in trivia to [[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 17:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia question ==

Seeing as May's Eevee has evolved, should it really be mentioned as a counterpart to Gary's Umbreon? If a Pokémon is really needed for the sake of comparison, might I suggest adding her Wartortle to the part mentioning Gary's Blastoise and Ash's Squirtle? [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 18:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
:It might have been a counterpart, but May hasn't actually ever met Gary...so, I don't think it would be. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dodrio==
How do we know Dodrio is in storage or not on hand? SinceIts last appearance it hasnt been comented on so we dont know where it is, maybe status unknown?--[[User:David aipom|''David Aipom'']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] Sonic Electronic]] 20:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Badges==
According to EP063, Gary says that he has 10 badges. He shows his badge case to Ash, and it clearly shows 10 badges. Change the number? [[User:Forretress205|Forretress205 ]] 21:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:That means he got 4 more badges after EP025. Not 4 in total! [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== EP013 ==

EP013 shows the images of all of Gary's caught Pokémon on the background screen. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please post. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:As far as I can remember only Gary's Krabby was shown. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::See here: [[Image:Bill.jpg]] More than JUST Krabby... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Those aren't Gary's Pokémon. That's just Bill describing the known Pokémon. Gary wasn't even mentioned in this part. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As you can see, the are in Pokédex order. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm REALLY sure that there was a time where he was talking about the amount Gary had in comparison to the amount Ash had (7)... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, when he was talking to Professor Oak. I remember this seen. A list of all 150 (though I don't know how its possible because no one knew about Dragonite or Mewtwo) flashed on the screen when Bill was talking about how there could be many more. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, they DID know about Dragonite, that scene with the giant Dragonite was just because it was enormous, not because they didn't know what it was. If they didn't know about Dragonite, then how could the guy in the Orange League have one?(Moot point, but still.)[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It's called a retcon or inconsistency. And if they had known about Dragonite as a species, why didn't Bill mention that the mystery Pokémon was one? And don't tell me that Bill didn't realize the Pokémon's species due to never getting to fully see it, he had recorded the Pokémon's cry. He SHOULD have realized the Pokémon was a Dragonite by listening to its cry. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 04:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Leaf (game)

2009-05-13T02:38:19Z

Spideym:

So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

:I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy

::For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however [[Green (game)]] already directs to Blue, does it not?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Both. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
:::::And no offense, but your analogies are the ones that don't make sense to me. The prototypical Safari Zone in GSC doens't have wild Pokémon because the wild encounters data was never written, not because it was originally meant to not have Pokémon. And the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But neither the finished games not Nintendo officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data seems to prove it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence to make us believe that it was retconned into another name. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because [[Blue (game)]] is the rival. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The [[Blue (game)]] has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--[[User:Mezase Master|Mezase Master]]

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
----
Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== RBG picture ==

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

== Blue artwork? ==

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. [[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

''Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.''

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.[[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Her back sprite ==

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Spideym

2009-05-13T00:50:43Z

Spideym: /* You know.... */

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:Please read the above, again, please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== You know.... ==

Honestly, get a life. Do you have nothing better to do than go and call people names because they think a Pokémon is gay?

"They wouldn't put gays in a kids show". Oh how I love it when they use this excuse. Japanese culture =/= American culture. Ever heard of an anime called Sailor Moon? That was a show directed at kids, yet two of the main characters were lesbians. Japan isn't afraid of showing homosexuality in their kids shows like America is.

While it's true that Pokémon can't be gay in the games, the games don't always mean the same thing in the anime. Like levels don't appear to exist or Pokémon can learn [[Anime move errors|moves that they can't normally learn in the games]].

Now please, contribute something useful to the pedia instead of using it like a forum. Have a nice day. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

: I'm sorry, but that argument fails due to the simple fact that the Pokémon anime is more kiddy than Sailor Moon, as it never showed any nudity. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:: You do realize that even Pokémon has had homosexual characters in it before... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::: Who? Harley? He was just a girly dude who was never confirmed to be homosexual. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: There was a trainer in Pokémon Fashion Flash that owned a Chansey who was clearly homosexual. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::And you know that he is gay, how? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know... Dresses in womens clothes... Preferes to go by '''Obasan''' Japanese equivelent to Miss. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That makes him girly at most. Anabel is usually mistaken for a male by the characters, and in the japanese version, she refers to herself as "Boku", a pronoun used by males. And yet she had a crush on Ash, which means that she's just a tomboy, not a lesbian. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah right... I don't think so. When a man wants to be called "Miss" by others, than that usually means gay. Anabel doesn't wanted to be called a boy. The anime hints that he's gay. Isn't that what you're arguing here? That if it's hinted than it must be true. Even Pokeani dubs him as "Okama" Japanese for homosexual. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 05:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok, you win. He's supposed to be seen as gay by the older audience due to the hints you mentioned. Likewise, Ash's Charizard isn't a gay Pokémon, but a male, due to the fact that the writers strongly hinted at the later and never gave us a reason to think the opposite. Same for Ash's Bayleef and Totodile being female and male respectively. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Aclaration: Just in case my last message wasn't sarcasm. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Please do not swear ==

Spideym,

Please do not swear, like you did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver_Versions&diff=prev&oldid=754539 here], there could quite likely be children viewing that talkpage. If there is, they will copy you.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 17:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Swearing isn't against Bulba policy. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. --— [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Er, I deleted it because it was a old discussion that no one cares about anymore, so it was there wasting space.

User talk:Spideym

2009-05-13T00:49:16Z

Spideym: /* Talk Page Comments */

==Welcome==
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*The word [[Poké Ball]] is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a captial '''B''' (which is, again, accessed by holding Shift and pressing the B key). The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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:Please read the above, again, please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== You know.... ==

Honestly, get a life. Do you have nothing better to do than go and call people names because they think a Pokémon is gay?

"They wouldn't put gays in a kids show". Oh how I love it when they use this excuse. Japanese culture =/= American culture. Ever heard of an anime called Sailor Moon? That was a show directed at kids, yet two of the main characters were lesbians. Japan isn't afraid of showing homosexuality in their kids shows like America is.

While it's true that Pokémon can't be gay in the games, the games don't always mean the same thing in the anime. Like levels don't appear to exist or Pokémon can learn [[Anime move errors|moves that they can't normally learn in the games]].

Now please, contribute something useful to the pedia instead of using it like a forum. Have a nice day. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

: I'm sorry, but that argument fails due to the simple fact that the Pokémon anime is more kiddy than Sailor Moon, as it never showed any nudity. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:: You do realize that even Pokémon has had homosexual characters in it before... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::: Who? Harley? He was just a girly dude who was never confirmed to be homosexual. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: There was a trainer in Pokémon Fashion Flash that owned a Chansey who was clearly homosexual. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::And you know that he is gay, how? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know... Dresses in womens clothes... Preferes to go by '''Obasan''' Japanese equivelent to Miss. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That makes him girly at most. Anabel is usually mistaken for a male by the characters, and in the japanese version, she refers to herself as "Boku", a pronoun used by males. And yet she had a crush on Ash, which means that she's just a tomboy, not a lesbian. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah right... I don't think so. When a man wants to be called "Miss" by others, than that usually means gay. Anabel doesn't wanted to be called a boy. The anime hints that he's gay. Isn't that what you're arguing here? That if it's hinted than it must be true. Even Pokeani dubs him as "Okama" Japanese for homosexual. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 05:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok, you win. He's supposed to be seen as gay by the older audience due to the hints you mentioned. Likewise, Ash's Charizard isn't a gay Pokémon, but a male, due to the fact that the writers strongly hinted at the later and never gave us a reason to think the opposite. Same for Ash's Bayleef and Totodile. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 05:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Please do not swear ==

Spideym,

Please do not swear, like you did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver_Versions&diff=prev&oldid=754539 here], there could quite likely be children viewing that talkpage. If there is, they will copy you.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 17:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Swearing isn't against Bulba policy. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. --— [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Er, I deleted it because it was a old discussion that no one cares about anymore, so it was there wasting space.

User talk:Spideym

2009-05-13T00:33:00Z

Spideym: /* You know.... */

Talk:Leaf (game)

2009-05-13T00:07:59Z

Spideym:

So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

:I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy

::For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however [[Green (game)]] already directs to Blue, does it not?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Both. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
:::::And your analogies are the ones that don't make sense. The prototypical Safari Zone in GSC doens't have wild Pokémon because the wild encounters data was never written, not because it was originally meant to not have Pokémon. And the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But neither the finished games not Nintendo officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data proves it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence to make us believe that it was retconned into another name. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because [[Blue (game)]] is the rival. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The [[Blue (game)]] has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--[[User:Mezase Master|Mezase Master]]

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
----
Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== RBG picture ==

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

== Blue artwork? ==

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. [[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

''Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.''

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.[[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Her back sprite ==

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Leaf (game)

2009-05-13T00:03:59Z

Spideym:

So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

:I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy

::For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however [[Green (game)]] already directs to Blue, does it not?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Both. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
:::::And your analogies are the ones that don't make sense, since the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, the Safari Zone into not being an accessible area, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But Nintendo never officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data proves it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence that it was retconned, unlike the examples you mentioned. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because [[Blue (game)]] is the rival. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The [[Blue (game)]] has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--[[User:Mezase Master|Mezase Master]]

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
----
Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== RBG picture ==

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

== Blue artwork? ==

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. [[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

''Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.''

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.[[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Her back sprite ==

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Mew (M08)

2009-05-12T23:30:42Z

Spideym: /* Gender */

éWhat idiot moved this page?! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:Pokémon Lover King Mario did. Apparently, he's been known to make page moves that consensus agrees should not be made, and this isn't the first time he's done such.

:He did that before with [[Pokémon Trainer]] after a trainer was announced as a [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] character, then turned the redirect to a disambig. Problems ensued when trying to restore the page when the consensus agreed to not have the disambig; sysops eventually stepped in and set everything right. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... What's the proof this is a different Mew then the one in Mewtwo Strikes Back? [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Different voice. And yes, this is not because the MSB Mew's VA was unavailable. He voiced [[Sir Aaron]]! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Um, what does that matter? [[Ash]] sounds different nowadays, but does this mean he's a different person? No. [[User:Noname|Noname]]

Mew and Mewtwo were together at the end of Mewtwo Strikes Back, so it's unlikely that the same Mew would appear in this movie without Mewtwo. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

That's true. But, at the end of the first movie, Mew is seen flying back to mountainous island. The tree in the 8th movie was a mountain, wasn't it? How do we know if the island that the Mew from the 1st movie went back to isn't the island that the Mew in the 8th movie was seen at? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I would argue that it's a prevelant theme in Pokémon (althoigh it's sketchy in the anime) that the Über Legendaries such as Mew, Celebi, and Jirachi are one of a kind. With Pokémon like Entei, however, it is implied that there are multiple. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]

I agree with you. I know this is weird but when i think of ūber pokemon like mew and celebi, i think of them being a single pokemon of that species. one mew, one celebi, one jirachi, one shaymin, and of course, one arceus. but for some reason, i think of the mew from the 2 movies being different mew. but i also have this idea in the back of my mind about the mountain island the 1st movie went back to at the end of the movie is the same mountain island as the tree of origin is located on.
I normally refer to a legendaries like articuno as 1 pokemon despite the fact that i know there is more than one like i call articuno a "he" as in there is only one and it's a he even though i know there are at least 2 articuno around the pokémon world. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 20:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:@ LordArceus- How is it implied that there are more than one Entei? The Entei in Spell of the Unown was clearly fake, and illusion, and in any case, the anime says that Ho-oh created the legendary beasts from three nameless Pokémon that died in the Burnt Tower. Which implies that there is ''only'' one. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 01:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::Considering how Suicune was labeled to be a species by Professor Oak (thus implying that there's more than one), and Suicune in the Anime is probably not the same one in 4EVER, and it's debatable as to whether the Suicune in Johto is the same one as the one in Sinnoh, I think it's safe to assume that Entei and Raikou probably are multiples as well. {{unsigned|Weedle Mchairybug}}
== Gender ==

I don't think Mew's gender should be "none" since it's unknown if genderless Pokemon apply in the anime, and therefore, not 100% confirmed. In fact i think it's very unlikely that it's genderless since there was a female (mother) Lugia in the series, so it should be "Unknown" ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

I know it doesn't count as fact, but all signs point to Mew being female if anything. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]

What signs? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 23:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back ==

How do we know that this Mew isn't the same Mew from the first movie? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 05:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:Why would it be? And these completely sifferent movies that take place in differnent places.--[[wp:Halloween|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 05:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, this movie took place ''near'' Kanto, so it is possible. But we aren't sure, so let's leave it alone.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 02:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Wally

2009-05-10T23:29:04Z

Spideym: /* Anime */

Why did they choose this name? What does it means?
:It's just a name, I think. Like Brandan or May, there probably isn't any deep literary reasoning for it. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 11:11, 26 January 2006 (CST)

Should Wally be considered a Rival character? ---- Shaddow Boy
:Possibly, though he isn't the conventional rival. Prima's R/S strategy guide calls him your protégé. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 12:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Is the Sceptile Emerald has supposed to have evolved from Wally's Grovyle? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 07:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

== Trivia section ==

::''This also makes him the only rival who is not related to a celebrity, unlike {{ga|Blue}} ([[Professor Oak]]), '''{{ga|Silver}} ([[Giovanni]])''', and {{ga|Pearl}} ([[Palmer]]).''

Was it ever really confirmed that Giovanni and Silver were related? It's most likely that they are, but I don't ever recall hearing that Silver was Giovanni's son other than the "Giovanni's kid has red hair" comment. It might be that Wally isn't the only rival related to a celebrity. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Isn't Wally the only rival not to have an Anime equivalent? ☆ShinyPiKa 16:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)☆
:Pearl? Silver got a five-second cameo, Brendan was a movie cameo, May was a main character, but Pearl's not even appeared. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::Now, with the anownsment of [[Jun (Anime)|Jun]], can we finnaly add this comment? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 23:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Wally is not the rival of RSE. Brendan and May are the rivals. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Actually May and Branden are Peosudo-Rivals [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 23:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::The character who is the opposite gender choice is the rival. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::By that logic, Dawn/Lucas are Rivals [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 23:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Because they are. You don;t fight them, they fight with you. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Pearl is the Rival of the Player; not Lucas/Dawn.Secondly, the trivia States that Wally Becomes a Rival!!!! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 23:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wally essentially fills the place that the "true" rival Brendan/May abandons in Lilycove by appearing soon before the Elite Four challenge inside Victory Road, much like previous and later rivals do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::So is he considered a Rival or not [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 01:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Wally is the true rival. We don't even get to see the final evolution of Brendan or May's starter Pokémon. With Wally we do. Also we encounter him right before the Pokémon league so yeah. He's the real rival. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Wally takes place of the rival. He is rival-like. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Sketch, Im sorry but Wally IS THE TRUE RIVAL, not Brandan/May!!!! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 00:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Obviously what we have he is a conflicting opinion. I don't think you can classify him as a rival unless an official source of information says so. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry Sketch, but the others are right. Wally was revealed as the TRUE rival at the end of the main quest, as he was the one who reached the Victory Road after Brendan/May gave up on trying to reach the Pokémon League (assuming s/he was ever interested in it). Game Freak just wanted to keep him as your secret real rival for most, so that finding him in the Victory Road would be a surprise. Brendan/May was there to fooling you into believing that s/he was meant to be the rival.
:::::Also, every Pokémon game lets you re-battle your rival infinite times. You can re-battle Blue and Silver in the Pokémon League in RGBY and GSC, Wally in the Victory Road in RSE, and Pearl in the Battle Area in DPPt. If Brendan/May was intended to be the true rival, you would be able to re-battle him/her, and Game Freak would have allowed him/her to reach the Victory Road. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 23:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Sevii Islands

2009-05-09T23:08:54Z

Spideym:

{{RegionInfobox|
name=Sevii Islands |
jname=ナナシマ |
tmname=Nanashima |
image=[[Image:SeviiIslands.jpg|250px]] |
caption=Artwork of the Sevii Islands from [[Generation III]] |
intro={{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} |
team=[[Team Rocket]] |
games=yes |
generation={{gen|III}} |
game=[[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]] |
anime=yes |
series=[[Pokémon Chronicles]] |
season=[[Pokémon Chronicles]] |
}}
The '''Sevii Islands''' (Japanese: '''ナナシマ''' ''Nanashima'') are an archipelago of nine large islands and several small islands surrounding them far south of [[Kanto]]. They resemble the real-life {{wp|Izu Islands}}. They have appeared only in the {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} versions. They may have some relation to the [[Orange Archipelago|Orange Islands]] in the {{pkmn|anime}} as both are geographically south of Kanto. According to a recent anime map, the Orange Islands are south of the Sevii Islands with [[New Island]] in between them.

==The Islands==
* [[Knot Island]] - {{OBP|One Island|town}}
* [[Boon Island]] - {{OBP|Two Island|town}}
* [[Kin Island]] - {{OBP|Three Island|town}}
* [[Floe Island]] - {{OBP|Four Island|town}}
* [[Chrono Island]] - {{OBP|Five Island|town}}
* [[Fortune Island]] - {{OBP|Six Island|town}}
* [[Quest Island]] - {{OBP|Seven Island|town}}
* [[Navel Rock]]
* [[Birth Island]]

==Accessibility==
In FireRed and LeafGreen, Sevii Islands are accessible from the [[Vermilion City]] harbor via a system of boats called the [[Seagallop Ferry|Seagallop Ferries]]. To be able to access [[Knot Island|Knot]], [[Boon Island|Boon]], and [[Kin Island]]s, one needs a [[Tri-Pass]], received from [[Bill]] after defeating [[Blaine]] on [[Cinnabar Island]]. To be able to access [[Floe Island|Floe]], [[Chrono Island|Chrono]], [[Fortune Island|Fortune]], and [[Quest Island]]s, one needs a [[Rainbow Pass]], received from [[Celio]] in {{OBP|One Island|town}}, after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and obtaining the [[National Pokédex]]. To be able to access [[Navel Rock]], one needs a [[Mysticticket]], and to be able to access [[Birth Island]], one needs a [[Aurora Ticket]], both of which can be obtained promotionally with [[Mystery Gift]].

According to an old woman on Quest Island, they were named the Sevii Islands because they were made in seven days. The name also seems to come from ''seven'' and the Roman numeral for seven, ''VII.''

==Trivia==
* Although there are only nine islands total, some data in the game reserved for location name index points reveal the following values:
** Sevii Isle 6
** Sevii Isle 7
** [[Sevii Isle 8]]
** [[Sevii Isle 9]]
** Sevii Isle 22
** Sevii Isle 23
** Sevii Isle 24
*** These areas are not accessible during normal gameplay. All of them, save for Sevii Isle 8 and Sevii Isle 9, have no map data.
* Another thing about the Sevii Islands is that the more southern ones (i.e. Floe, Chrono, Fortune, and Quest Islands) use remixed versions of music originally used in the routes and towns of [[Johto]] in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} and {{game|Crystal}}.
* The [[route]]s on the Sevii Islands are not numbered, unlike the other regions. This is likely to prevent confusion as to their relation to the others, as continuing where Johto left off (at {{rt|46}}) would seemingly imply that Johto is accessible in the games.

{{Regions}}
{{Sevii Islands}}

[[Category:Sevii Islands|*]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[de:Sevii Eiland]]
[[fr:Îles Sevii]]
[[ja:ナナシマ地方]]
[[pl:Wyspy Sevii]]

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-09T18:42:54Z

Spideym: /* Leaf and Kris */

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==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off at Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Many are out there speculatin' that the anime will return to Johto, any validity in adding this? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Not til there's any substance to the rumors. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::If the anime DOES return to Johto, Jimmy had damn well better be the traveling companion, not Marina. I'm sick to death of the new girlfriend every region. Though if we lost Dawn and got May back, that would be awesome...No, no, scratch that. Should the anime return to Johto, let the traveling companions be Ash, Jimmy, Marina. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 15:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Go to the forum for this conversation. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah.... Sketch got ticked at me when I said something about it on the GSDS page... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-09T18:10:06Z

Spideym: /* Leaf and Kris */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off with Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Many are out there speculatin' that the anime will return to Johto, any validity in adding this? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Not til there's any substance to the rumors. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::If the anime DOES return to Johto, Jimmy had damn well better be the traveling companion, not Marina. I'm sick to death of the new girlfriend every region. Though if we lost Dawn and got May back, that would be awesome...No, no, scratch that. Should the anime return to Johto, let the traveling companions be Ash, Jimmy, Marina. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 15:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Go to the forum for this conversation. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-09T15:35:22Z

Spideym: /* Leaf and Kris */

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|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off if we DON'T have Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that it GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Many are out there speculatin' that the anime will return to Johto, any validity in adding this? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Not til there's any substance to the rumors. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::If the anime DOES return to Johto, Jimmy had damn well better be the traveling companion, not Marina. I'm sick to death of the new girlfriend every region. Though if we lost Dawn and got May back, that would be awesome...No, no, scratch that. Should the anime return to Johto, let the traveling companions be Ash, Jimmy, Marina. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 15:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Go to the forum for this conversation. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-09T15:33:19Z

Spideym: /* Leaf and Kris */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off if we DON'T have Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that it GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is extremely likely to be one of the two selectable player characters.[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Many are out there speculatin' that the anime will return to Johto, any validity in adding this? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Not til there's any substance to the rumors. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::If the anime DOES return to Johto, Jimmy had damn well better be the traveling companion, not Marina. I'm sick to death of the new girlfriend every region. Though if we lost Dawn and got May back, that would be awesome...No, no, scratch that. Should the anime return to Johto, let the traveling companions be Ash, Jimmy, Marina. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 15:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Go to the forum for this conversation. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-09T12:54:09Z

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==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off if we DON'T have Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that it GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Many are out there speculatin' that the anime will return to Johto, any validity in adding this? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Not til there's any substance to the rumors. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)