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User talk:Quick Man

2008-06-13T02:44:31Z

Quick Man: Undo revision 382106 by Shiningpikablu252 (Talk)

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== A question ==

As the first person to finish my first mission, could you please give me some ideas for the other prize besides the userbox?--[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 19:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you have Wi-fi, you could give out, A POKÉMON *A lightbulb hits you*--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 19:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

One problem- I don't have Wi-fi,or Diamond/Pearl or even a DS =( --[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 00:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== The Userbox from my first mission. ==

{{:User:Ace/Mission1/Prize}}
I actually made it into a Userbox. If you want to, put the following code on your User Page :<nowiki>{{:User:Ace/Mission1/Prize}}</nowiki>.--[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 20:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== User: thing ==

The reason that you can't edit or make any article starting with '''User:''' is because they are testing the stress on the server. So wait a little till the testing is over. And by the way, you might want to see the top of [[User talk:Jioruji Derako|this page]]'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF0000|Po}}{{Color|FFFF00|ke}}]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|00FF00|Ma}}{{Color|00FFFF|ni}}{{Color|0000FF|ac}}]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF00FF|102}}]]''' 22:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for joining DPODB

Talk:Archie

2008-05-24T13:43:06Z

Quick Man: /* Fake Kyorge? */ new section

==Pokémon==
This listing is of Archie's Pokémon in the video games he has appeared in.

===Pokémon Sapphire===
====First Battle====
* Level 17 {{p|Huntail}}
* Level 17 {{p|Sharpedo}} <===== Where's that idiot?

== Fake Kyorge? ==

Doesn't the Emerald Chapter of Specail reminds you of Wish Maker? I Mean, Evil dude getting Jirachi, Evil dude gets his fake Pokémon that is/was wanted by their team (Groundon for Butler, Kyorge For Archie), Main Character befinds a Dragon/some Dragons. Yeah, do you get My point?--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 13:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Shipping

2008-05-14T21:18:52Z

Quick Man: /* Gay Shipping */ new section

==Dump qustion==

Is caild shiping when it's none Pokemon? Like Lufy and Nami from One Peace--[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, shipping is pretty much a universal term that is not exclusive to Pokémon. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 18:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

=Link=

Does any one else think that on the Characters page (for example, on Mistys page include a link to Pokeshipping)?--{{Ani|336}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|157}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|168}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|141}} 00:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::No, no. Shippings are just (highly agreed on) fan assumptions, such as GSDS or that Ash is gonna catch a Hippopotas. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not? It makes sense, since there is plenty of speculation already, why not at least offer a link to the appropriate shippy section? Also, is there an article that lists all ships described on Bulbapedia? 'Cause I think that might be appropriate here. (Where's altoshipping on this "favorites" list? *pout*)
[[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 21:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Gay Shipping ==

Can We take down all the Gay Shippings like palletShipping, Even with the warning, It just isn't right.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 21:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Animated series move errors

2008-05-14T20:52:31Z

Quick Man: /* Some of these attacks */

There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

== Roark's Onix ==

Did Roark's Onix use Zap cannon in DP017 or DP018?[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)\

neither but it did use screech
[[User: ShinyMedicham]]

== Order? ==

Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:Order by episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that was Vespiquin's Attack Order. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 01:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Attack order.... I could swore brock said psybeam...but attack order make sense... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Some of these attacks==
Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:: But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move {{m|Fly}}, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of {{m|Aura Sphere}} is due to it being able to manipulate [[aura]], which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say Take Riolu off the list, In [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]] There is a Bonus mission to get a Riolu and if you beat it, you can transfer it to D/P and It will know Aura Sphere--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

::That's an abnormal method of learning it, though. Riolu can't learn Aura Sphere in the main games, anymore than Pikachu can learn Surf. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Since the episode was specifically based on the Battonage mission, that argument is invalid.
:::I'm also seriously questioning Bulbasaur tickling Togepi being an error, especially given that the move known as {{m|Tickle}} didn't even exist back then. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't even think the move Tickle was PLANNED. Seriously, Ash didn't say 'Bulbasaur, use Tickle!' Instead, he said 'Bulbasaur, tickle Psyduck!' Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:46 11 May 2008'''''

Also, James Hoppip using Fly is Invald, too. it Just flew with the Air current's, which is on it's Pokédex entries.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== [[Drew's Butterfree]] ==

We should include Drew's Butterfree using Protect [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 22:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

: No....Butterfree can learn protect through TM. [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

== Ash's Pikachu ==

Should Ash's Pikachu using Volt Tackle be added? I know it's an egg move from Pichu, but Ash's Pikachu learned it through a different way.{{unsigned|Strawhat luffy}}
:The only issue there is the method of learning, which the writers had no choice but to cheat on. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::You know, it could of known it all along and may have been born with the tequnique. It may have just taken it a while to figure out how to use it. Remember, games doesn't always equal anime. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The problem is that games =/= anime is the whole point of this article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::::We include Volt Tackle, we include [[Misty's Azurill]]'s {{m|Refresh}}. Trust me, Pokémon in the anime can learn moves through bull**** methods without a moment's notice. For example, if {{an|Dawn}}'s newly-evolved [[Dawn's Piplup|Prinplup]] starts sparring against [[Ash's Chimchar|Ash's Monferno]] working on a bull**** method to learn {{m|Stealth Rock}} in [[DP085]], would we include that? No.

::::(For the record, the example is not indicative of any actual DP085 plot.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== "the games" ==

Riolu's Aura Sphere seems to have exposed an issue. What are we counting as "the games"? Just the main set (RBY,GSC,RSE,FRLG & DP) or the various side games as well? For that matter, what counts as "learned"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe it counts any move that a Pokemon can learn through any method, as long as that Pokemon with that move can be brought over to a main game. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, because the Riolu is transferred to D/P, Riolu does learn Aura Sphere in D/P.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 13:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not what "learn" means, Kuki. It can "know" Aura Sphere in D/P, but there's no way ''within D/P themselves'' for Riolu to acquire Aura Sphere; not by level-up, not by TM, not by egg-move or Heart Scale, not even by Move tutor. Even in Baatonage, the Riolu doesn't "learn" Aura Sphere as such; it shows up already knowing the move, without any indication of how it got the move. That's sort of it's whole point: it's an abberation, an anomaly; A Pokemon which knows a move it shouldn't know until it evolves. As such, Riolu's Aura Sphere belongs on the list. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:If that is the case, Ash using Aura Sphere in movie 8 should also be on the list. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:: *laughs* Don't tempt me. I don't think that was supposed to be Aura Sphere, though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version/Archive 1

2008-05-14T20:51:27Z

Quick Man: /* Version? */ Please Read

Here's my source: [http://www.pokebeach.com/#28197]. [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 21:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

:''but right now we can consider it a "rumor" until Nintendo or another source reveals new information''. That's what your source says about this. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'm really wary of this. If there is a so-called Platinum, it wouldn't be a GS remake; did the RB remake come as one game? No, it was two. It wouldn't make sense, either, as DPv3, due to its name. I also tried to visit [www.pokemonplatinum.com Pokemonplatinum.com], no site. [www.pokemonamethyst.com Pokemonamethyst.com], however... that redirects to Nintendo...

::Best possible course of action: someone contacts Beckett and asks where the hell they got the information. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::That's wierd that it redirects to Nintendo site! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 15:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::It's not unusual. Nintendo often reserve possible game names, many of which are not used. If they haven't done so for Platinum, that would be more telling. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Sounds like a job for {{wp|Gamespot}}'s Rumor Control...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Interesting.......But a new Ranger DS! That's cool! But that is good proof for Platinum Version....--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 15:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::Deleted for now: While a third game to DP is inevitable, "Platinum" is still only in rumour territory right now. As WPM pointed out, Beckett aren't that reliable for new game news. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::Besides, if we were to keep this page, we'd also need a Ranger 2 page based on the same reports. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

*Corocoro Comic's image [[http://www.filb.de/kaihou/content/20080511_corocoro-foto.jpg]]

:*sighs* The scan looks...Real. Very real. But it still could be fake |: I think everyone should just WAIT until CoroCoro is released, then make new articles + add new info. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 14:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Version? ==

Should this be titled "Pokémon Platinum Version," like all the rest? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:I hit that when I edited the Template:Main series. But the Pokémon Platinum Version was protected from being created by TTE•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete this, this is Speculation, can somone put the Delete Tag, I want OFFICAL Proof, a Corocoro scan isn't Offical proof.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 20:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Signature move

2008-05-12T12:59:34Z

Quick Man:

'''Signature moves''' are [[move]]s that can only be learned by a single [[Pokémon]] or a very small select group of Pokémon by level-up (with the exception of Pikachu's {{m|Volt Tackle}}), usually in the same evolutionary line. They are mostly seen in [[legendary Pokémon]], however, some other Pokémon have moves specific to themselves or their evolutionary line. Note that any of the moves included in this classification (except for {{m|Chatter}}) can be learned by {{P|Smeargle}} by use of {{M|Sketch}}, making Sketch and Chatter the only moves that are truly exclusive to one Pokémon legitimately.

==List of Pokémon and their signature moves==
Note: All levels listed are the level the Pokémon will learn the move as of [[Generation IV]].
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! Icon
! Name
! Move
! Level
|-
| 007
| [[Image:007MS.gif]]
| {{P|Squirtle}}
| {{M|Skull Bash}}
| Lv. 31
|-
| 008
| [[Image:008MS.gif]]
| {{P|Wartortle}}
| {{M|Skull Bash}}
| Lv. 36
|-
| 009
| [[Image:009MS.gif]]
| {{P|Blastoise}}
| {{M|Skull Bash}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 010
| [[Image:010MS.gif]]
| {{P|Caterpie}}
| {{M|String Shot}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Start
|-
| 012
| [[Image:012MS.gif]]
| {{P|Butterfree}}
| {{M|Whirlwind}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 22
|-
| 013
| [[Image:013MS.gif]]
| {{P|Weedle}}
| {{M|String Shot}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Start
|-
| 015
| [[Image:015MS.gif]]
| {{P|Beedrill}}
| {{M|Twineedle}}
| Lv. 20
|-
| 016
| [[Image:016MS.gif]]
| {{P|Pidgey}}
| {{M|Whirlwind}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}} {{M|Mirror Move}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 17 Lv. 45
|-
| 017
| [[Image:017MS.gif]]
| {{P|Pidgeotto}}
| {{M|Whirlwind}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}} {{M|Mirror Move}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 9 Lv. 52
|-
| 018
| [[Image:018MS.gif]]
| {{P|Pidgeot}}
| {{M|Whirlwind}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}} {{M|Mirror Move}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 9 Lv. 56
|-
| 019
| [[Image:019MS.gif]]
| {{P|Rattata}}
| {{M|Hyper Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Super Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 16 Lv. 28
|-
| 020
| [[Image:020MS.gif]]
| {{P|Raticate}}
| {{M|Hyper Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Super Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 16 Lv. 34
|-
| 021
| [[Image:021MS.gif]]
| {{P|Spearow}}
| {{M|Mirror Move}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 21
|-
| 022
| [[Image:022MS.gif]]
| {{P|Fearow}}
| {{M|Mirror Move}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 23
|-
| 172
| [[Image:172MS.gif]]
| {{p|Pichu}}
| {{m|Volt Tackle}}
| by [[breeding]]
|-
| 025
| [[Image:025MS.gif]]
| {{p|Pikachu}}
| {{m|Volt Tackle}}
| by [[breeding]]
|-
| 026
| [[Image:026MS.gif]]
| {{p|Raichu}}
| {{m|Volt Tackle}}
| by [[breeding]]
|-
| 043
| [[Image:043MS.gif]]
| {{p|Oddish}}
| {{m|Petal Dance}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 33
|-
| 044
| [[Image:044MS.gif]]
| {{p|Gloom}}
| {{m|Petal Dance}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 38
|-
| 046
| [[Image:046MS.gif]]
| {{P|Paras}}
| {{M|Spore}}
| Lv. 17
|-
| 047
| [[Image:047MS.gif]]
| {{P|Parasect}}
| {{M|Spore}}
| Lv. 17
|-
| 052
| [[Image:052MS.gif]]
| {{P|Meowth}}
| {{M|Pay Day}}
| Lv. 30
|-
| 059
| [[Image:059MS.gif]]
| {{P|Arcanine}}
| {{M|ExtremeSpeed}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 064
| [[Image:064MS.gif]]
| {{P|Kadabra}}
| {{M|Kinesis}}
| Start
|-
| 065
| [[Image:065MS.gif]]
| {{P|Alakazam}}
| {{M|Kinesis}}
| Start
|-
| 081
| [[Image:081MS.gif]]
| {{P|Magnemite}}
| {{M|Magnet Bomb}} {{M|Zap Cannon}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 30 Lv. 54
|-
| 082
| [[Image:082MS.gif]]
| {{P|Magneton}}
| {{M|Magnet Bomb}} {{M|Zap Cannon}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 30 Lv. 60
|-
| 462
| [[Image:462MS.png]]
| {{P|Magnezone}}
| {{M|Magnet Bomb}}
| Lv. 30
|-
| 096
| [[Image:098MS.gif]]
| {{p|Krabby}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}
| Lv. 41
|-
| 097
| [[Image:099MS.gif]]
| {{p|Kingler}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}
| Lv. 56
|-
| 102
| [[image:102MS.gif]]
| {{P|Exeggcute}}
| {{M|Barrage}}
| Start
|-
| 103
| [[Image:103MS.gif]]
| {{P|Exeggutor}}
| {{M|Egg Bomb}} {{M|Barrage}}
| Lv. 27 Start
|-
| 113
| [[Image:113MS.gif]]
| {{P|Chansey}}
| {{M|Softboiled}} {{M|Egg Bomb}}
| Lv. 12 Lv. 38
|-
| 242
| [[Image:242MS.gif]]
| {{P|Blissey}}
| {{M|Softboiled}} {{M|Egg Bomb}}
| Lv. 12 Lv. 38
|-
| 104
| [[Image:104MS.gif]]
| {{P|Cubone}}
| {{M|Bone Club}} {{M|Bonemerang}} {{M|Bone Rush}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 7 Lv. 21 Lv. 37
|-
| 105
| [[Image:105MS.gif]]
| {{P|Marowak}}
| {{M|Bone Club}} {{M|Bonemerang}} {{M|Bone Rush}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Start Start Lv. 43
|-
| 106
| [[image:106MS.gif]]
| {{P|Hitmonlee}}
| {{M|Hi Jump Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}} {{m|Jump Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 29 Lv. 13
|-
| 107
| [[image:107MS.gif]]
| {{P|Hitmonchan}}
| {{M|Vacuum Wave}}
| Lv. 26
|-
| 120
| [[image:120MS.gif]]
| {{P|Staryu}}
| {{M|Camouflage}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 19
|-
| 124
| [[image:124MS.gif]]
| {{P|Jynx}}
| {{M|Lovely Kiss}}
| Start
|-
| 132
| [[Image:132MS.gif]]
| {{P|Ditto}}
| {{M|Transform}}
| Start
|-
| 137
| [[Image:137MS.gif]]
| {{P|Porygon}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}} {{M|Sharpen}} {{M|Zap Cannon}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Start Start Start Lv. 62
|-
| 233
| [[Image:233MS.gif]]
| {{P|Porygon2}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}} {{M|Zap Cannon}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Start Start Lv. 62
|-
| 474
| [[Image:474MS.png]]
| {{P|Porygon-Z}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}}
| Start Start
|-
| 151
| [[Image:151MS.gif]]
| {{P|Mew}}
| {{M|Transform}}
| Start
|-
| 167
| [[Image:167MS.gif]]
| {{P|Spinarak}}
| {{M|String Shot}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}} {{M|Spider Web}}
| Start Lv. 29
|-
| 168
| [[Image:168MS.gif]]
| {{P|Ariados}}
| {{M|String Shot}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}} {{M|Spider Web}}
| Start Lv. 32
|-
| 200
| [[Image:200MS.gif]]
| {{P|Misdreavus}}
| {{M|Pain Split}}
| Lv. 28
|-
| 214
| [[Image:214MS.gif]]
| {{P|Heracross}}
| {{M|Megahorn}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 55
|-
| 224
| [[Image:224MS.gif]]
| {{P|Octillery}}
| {{M|Octazooka}}
| Lv. 25
|-
| 225
| [[Image:225MS.gif]]
| {{P|Delibird}}
| {{M|Present}}
| Start
|-
| 235
| [[Image:235MS.gif]]
| {{P|Smeargle}}
| {{M|Sketch}}
| Start Lv. 11 Lv. 21 Lv. 31 Lv. 41 Lv. 51 Lv. 61 Lv. 71 Lv. 81 Lv. 91
|-
| 237
| [[image:237MS.gif]]
| {{P|Hitmontop}}
| {{M|Triple Kick}}
| Lv. 19
|-
| 241
| [[image:241MS.gif]]
| {{P|Miltank}}
| {{M|Milk Drink}}
| Lv. 11
|-
| 249
| [[Image:249MS.gif]]
| {{p|Lugia}}
| {{m|Aeroblast}}
| Lv. 85
|-
| 250
| [[Image:250MS.gif]]
| {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| {{m|Sacred Fire}}
| Lv. 85
|-
| 253
| [[image:253MS.gif]]
| {{P|Grovyle}}
| {{M|Leaf Blade}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 29
|-
| 254
| [[image:254MS.gif]]
| {{P|Sceptile}}
| {{M|Leaf Blade}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 29
|-
| 257
| [[image:257MS.gif]]
| {{P|Blaziken}}
| {{M|Blaze Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 36
|-
| 259
| [[image:259MS.gif]]
| {{P|Marshtomp}}
| {{M|Muddy Water}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 37
|-
| 260
| [[image:260MS.gif]]
| {{P|Swampert}}
| {{M|Muddy Water}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 285
| [[Image:285MS.gif]]
| {{P|Shroomish}}
| {{M|Spore}}
| Lv. 45
|-
| 296
| [[image:296MS.gif]]
| {{P|Makuhita}}
| {{M|Arm Thrust}}
| Lv. 7
|-
| 297
| [[image:297MS.gif]]
| {{P|Hariyama}}
| {{M|Arm Thrust}}
| Lv. 7
|-
| 307
| [[image:307MS.gif]]
| {{P|Meditite}}
| {{M|Hi Jump Kick}}
| Lv. 32
|-
| 308
| [[image:308MS.gif]]
| {{P|Medicham}}
| {{M|Hi Jump Kick}}
| Lv. 32
|-
| 313
| [[image:313MS.gif]]
| {{p|Volbeat}}
| {{m|Tail Glow}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 21
|-
| 319
| [[Image:319MS.gif]]
| {{P|Sharpedo}}
| {{M|Skull Bash}}
| Lv. 50
|-
| 320
| [[Image:320MS.gif]]
| {{P|Wailmer}}
| {{M|Water Spout}}
| Lv. 34
|-
| 321
| [[Image:321MS.gif]]
| {{P|Wailord}}
| {{M|Water Spout}}
| Lv. 34
|-
| 327
| [[Image:327MS.gif]]
| {{P|Spinda}}
| {{M|Teeter Dance}}
| Lv. 37
|-
| 331
| [[Image:331MS.gif]]
| {{p|Cacnea}}
| {{m|Needle Arm}}
| Lv. 45
|-
| 332
| [[Image:332MS.gif]]
| {{p|Cacturne}}
| {{m|Needle Arm}}
| Lv. 53
|-
| 335
| [[Image:335MS.gif]]
| {{p|Zangoose}}
| {{m|Crush Claw}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 31
|-
| 336
| [[Image:336MS.gif]]
| {{p|Seviper}}
| {{m|Poison Tail}}
| Lv. 16
|-
| 341
| [[Image:341MS.gif]]
| {{p|Corphish}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}
| Lv. 38
|-
| 342
| [[Image:342MS.gif]]
| {{p|Crawdaunt}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}
| Lv. 44
|-
| 351
| [[Image:351MS.gif]]
| {{p|Castform}}
| {{m|Weather Ball}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 44
|-
| 363
| [[image:363MS.gif]]
| {{P|Spheal}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 364
| [[image:364MS.gif]]
| {{P|Sealeo}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 365
| [[image:365MS.gif]]
| {{P|Walrein}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 369
| [[image:369MS.gif]]
| {{p|Relicanth}}
| {{m|Head Smash}}
| Lv. 78
|-
| 380
| [[Image:380MS.gif]]
| {{p|Latias}}
| {{m|Mist Ball}}
| Lv. 35
|-
| 381
| [[Image:381MS.gif]]
| {{p|Latios}}
| {{m|Luster Purge}}
| Lv. 35
|-
| 382
| [[Image:382MS.gif]]
| {{P|Kyogre}}
| {{M|Water Spout}}
| Lv. 80
|-
| 385
| [[Image:385MS.gif]]
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| {{m|Doom Desire}}
| Lv. 70
|-
| 386
| [[Image:386MS.gif]]
| {{p|Deoxys}}
| {{m|Psycho Boost}}
| Lv. 45
|-
| 408
| [[image:408MS.png]]
| {{p|Cranidos}}
| {{m|Head Smash}}
| Lv. 43
|-
| 409
| [[image:409MS.png]]
| {{p|Rampardos}}
| {{m|Head Smash}}
| Lv. 52
|-
| 416
| [[Image:416MS.png]]
| {{P|Vespiquen}}
| {{M|Attack Order}} {{M|Defend Order}} {{M|Heal Order}}
| Lv. 37 Lv. 13 Lv. 25
|-
| 441
| [[Image:441MS.png]]
| {{p|Chatot}}
| {{m|Chatter}}
| Lv. 21
|-
| 464
| [[image:464MS.png]]
| {{P|Rhyperior}}
| {{M|Rock Wrecker}}
| Lv. 61
|-
| 476
| [[image:476MS.png]]
| {{P|Probopass}}
| {{M|Magnet Bomb}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 483
| [[Image:483MS.png]]
| {{p|Dialga}}
| {{m|Roar of Time}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 484
| [[Image:484MS.png]]
| {{p|Palkia}}
| {{m|Spacial Rend}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 485
| [[Image:485MS.png]]
| {{p|Heatran}}
| {{m|Magma Storm}}
| Lv. 96
|-
| 486
| [[Image:486MS.png]]
| {{p|Regigigas}}
| {{m|Crush Grip}}
| Lv. 75
|-
| 487
| [[Image:487MS.png]]
| {{p|Giratina}}
| {{m|Shadow Force}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 488
| [[Image:488MS.png]]
| {{p|Cresselia}}
| {{m|Lunar Dance}}
| Lv. 84
|-
| 490
| [[Image:490MS.png]]
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| {{m|Heart Swap}}
| Lv. 76
|-
| 491
| [[Image:491MS.png]]
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| {{m|Dark Void}}
| Lv. 66
|-
| 492
| [[Image:492MS.png]]
| {{p|Shaymin}}
| {{m|Seed Flare}}
| Lv. 100
|-
| 493
| [[Image:493MS.png]]
| {{p|Arceus}}
| {{m|Judgment}}
| Lv. 100
|}

==Trivia==
* A {{p|Dratini}} that knows ExtremeSpeed is obtainable in [[Pokémon Crystal]] after answering a quiz in the [[Dragon's Den]].
* Although {{m|Megahorn}} was {{p|Heracross}}'s signature move prior to [[Generation III]], it should be noted that it is still the only {{type2|Bug}} Pokémon that can learn the move.
* A {{p|Skitty}} with Pay Day can be obtained from a special {{Pkmn|Egg}} after depositing 500 Pokémon in [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire]] from a Game Boy Advance game pak.
* It should be noted that {{p|Deoxys}}'s signature move, {{m|Psycho Boost}}, can be learned by the [[Shadow Lugia|Lugia]] from [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]] once it has been purified.
* A {{p|Pikachu}} that knows {{m|Volt Tackle}} and {{m|Surf}} is available as a prize for beating all the Colosseums for the first time in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]].
* A {{p|Darkrai}} with {{m|Roar of Time}} and {{m|Spacial Rend}} was available as a special giveaway to commemorate the opening of the [[The Rise of Darkrai|10th movie]].

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User talk:Master D

2008-05-12T12:35:14Z

Quick Man: /* WTH? */ new section

==Welcome==
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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! [[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']]{{Ani|128}}[[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']] 13:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

== Hey! ==

Stop changing the images! You know, there is a button next to Save Page called ''' Show Preview'''. press that![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Stop before you are blocked![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

::Please do not use encyclopedic articles as a sandbox. If you want to make sandbox-style edits, do it at [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox]] or [[User:Master D/Sandbox]]. Right now, I'd recommend the former due to something currently going on that only allows sysops to edit pages in the User namespace. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:::You're not stopping. As soon as an administrator comes, I'm gonna have you blocked[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 19:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Three-day block. You were warned not to treat encyclopedic articles like a sandbox, and yet you continued making sandbox-style edits to articles such as [[Misty]]. Please keep sandbox-style edits to [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox]] and to your user namespace (which should, hopefully, be available to use by the time your block expires), and make only constructive edits to encyclopedic articles. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Talk Page Comments ==

Please don't remove talk page comments or alter the wording of someone else's comment without good reason. You don't want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who ended up blocked for getting into an edit war with {{u|Fabu-Vinny}} over the removal of talk page comments, and you don't want to end up like {{u|Shiny Noctowl}}, who ended up blocked for getting into an edit war with [[User:Shiningpikablu252|myself]] over non-G-rated words on talk pages. I could pretty {{tt|damn|The word you were trying to censor. It's actually pretty damn tame in comparison to some others seen on talk pages.}} well block you again right now if the situation warranted it (fortunately for you, it does not). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== WTH? ==

Don't make useless pages like [[Wolflame (Pokémon)]] Your just ruining the wiki, if your going to just vandal here, leave.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 12:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Aging in the anime

2008-05-12T12:01:53Z

Quick Man: /* Ash/Dawn */ error

Do you really think that in the Anime the years never pass?
I don't think so! --[[User:Haruka uzumaki]] 15 September,2007
:That's the thing. The years pass, but the characters don't change. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

"The passage of time is clear, but characters show small, if any, signs of aging. This is because the writers and character designs seem to ignore the issue of aging." 
This seems more like restating the point than an actual explanation. [[User:TheGrammarian|TheGrammarian]] 13:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Ash/Dawn ==

When and where was it stated that Ash is the same age as Dawn? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:Dawn's ten at the start of her journey. Ash has never ever celebrated a birthday nor indicated he was any older than ten. At the start of AG, Ash and May were advertised as "the same age", and May was ten. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 10:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::So just because we've never seen Ash's birthday, he's still ten? Come on... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Guess what, Bull Crap! I hate the anmie ALOT. But in movie 3 short, Ash had a party for Pikachu being with him for a year. Scince he got a Pikachu at exactly 10, that means he must be atleast 11!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 11:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Aging in the anime

2008-05-12T11:59:01Z

Quick Man: /* Ash/Dawn */

Do you really think that in the Anime the years never pass?
I don't think so! --[[User:Haruka uzumaki]] 15 September,2007
:That's the thing. The years pass, but the characters don't change. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

"The passage of time is clear, but characters show small, if any, signs of aging. This is because the writers and character designs seem to ignore the issue of aging." 
This seems more like restating the point than an actual explanation. [[User:TheGrammarian|TheGrammarian]] 13:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Ash/Dawn ==

When and where was it stated that Ash is the same age as Dawn? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:Dawn's ten at the start of her journey. Ash has never ever celebrated a birthday nor indicated he was any older than ten. At the start of AG, Ash and May were advertised as "the same age", and May was ten. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 10:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::So just because we've never seen Ash's birthday, he's still ten? Come on... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Guess what, Bull Crap! I hate the anmie ALOT. But in movie 3 short, Ash had a party for Pikachu being weith him for a year. Scince he got a Pikachu at exactly 10, that means he must be atleast 11!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 11:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Volkner

2008-05-10T14:39:37Z

Quick Man: /* Departure */ Crap!

In the official Japanese D/P stickerbook, which includes Gym Leader stickers, all names are spelt in Romaji. メリッサ is romanised [[Melissa]] (we already use this romanisation), マキシ is romanised [[Maxi]] (again, we already use that). However, there are three romanisation which we did not use. There are: デンジ as Denzi (instead of Denji) and トウガン as Tougan (instead of Tōgan) and ヒョウタ as Hyouta (instead of Hyōta). Since they're from official stickerbook, they are trademarked romanisation and we must use them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Should we have the new Gym Leaders in the anime category this early? I mean, we all know what happened with Wallace. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 09:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think that once they appear, they certainly should. But not if the episode hasn't appeared yet. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Volkner's Ambipom knows Shock Wave, but I don't know which move is wrong right now. It only used Shock Wave and Baton Pass against me. -Wild Eep

== Departure ==

Apparently, if it's true, Volkner will not be Sunyshore's Gym Leader. If so can this be added to the trivia of being the second final Gym Leader of a region to not be part of the main plot?

:He is also the second final Gym Leader of a region to be replaced, after [[Wallace]].

From--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

That is PURE speculation! I'm going to undo that edit and I think this page should be protected.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Volkner

2008-05-10T14:38:56Z

Quick Man: /* Departure */

In the official Japanese D/P stickerbook, which includes Gym Leader stickers, all names are spelt in Romaji. メリッサ is romanised [[Melissa]] (we already use this romanisation), マキシ is romanised [[Maxi]] (again, we already use that). However, there are three romanisation which we did not use. There are: デンジ as Denzi (instead of Denji) and トウガン as Tougan (instead of Tōgan) and ヒョウタ as Hyouta (instead of Hyōta). Since they're from official stickerbook, they are trademarked romanisation and we must use them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Should we have the new Gym Leaders in the anime category this early? I mean, we all know what happened with Wallace. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 09:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think that once they appear, they certainly should. But not if the episode hasn't appeared yet. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Volkner's Ambipom knows Shock Wave, but I don't know which move is wrong right now. It only used Shock Wave and Baton Pass against me. -Wild Eep

== Departure ==

Apparently, if it's true, Volkner will not be Sunyshore's Gym Leader. If so can this be added to the trivia of being the second final Gym Leader of a region to not be part of the main plot?

:He is also the second final Gym Leader of a region to be replaced, after [[Wallace]].

From--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

That is PURE I'm going to undo that edit and I think this page should be protected.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-05-10T14:24:18Z

Quick Man: /* Opal trademark */

== Error? ==

''"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is [[Nincada]]."''
"'''''The other one is Nincada'''''" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to [[Bug]] or [[Ground]].
Which Pokemon is actually waek to '''both of its types'''? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:If anything, I'd've thought it'd be {{p|Shedinja}}. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, {{p|Sableye}} and {{p|Spiritomb}} are weak to both {{t|Dark}} and {{t|Ghost}} on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?
:... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Devil? ==

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--[[user:arceus fan|arceus fan]] [[image:ArceusDP.png|35px]] 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Fourth lake of Sinnoh ==

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the [[Dragon trio]]? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has ''some'' association with the [[Lake trio]], or is that simply too much of a stretch? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Arceus created Dialga/Palkia ''and'' the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== H/W eight ==

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Opal trademark ==

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. [[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--[[User:Ocean2292|Ocean2292]] 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Ariados (Pokémon)

2008-05-07T12:40:51Z

Quick Man: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Spinarak | next=Crobat }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Ariados |
jname=アリアドス |
tmname=Ariados |
image=168Ariados.png |
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=168 |
jdex=033 |
hdex=323 |
fdex=158 |
adex=156 |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Poison |
species=Long Leg |
height-ftin=3′07″ |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=73.9 |
weight-kg=33.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Swarm |
ability2=Insomnia |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=3,840 |
effortyield=2 Atk |
expyield=134 |
lv100exp=800,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Red |
catchrate=90 |
pokefordex=ariados |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Ariados''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: アリアドス ''Ariados'') is a {{2t|Bug|Poison}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
Ariados's feet are tipped with tiny hooked claws that enable it to scuttle on ceilings and vertical walls. It spins a single strand of a special string endlessly out of its rear. The string leads back to its nest. The string can also be spun from its mouth. It is hard to tell which end is which. This Pokémon constricts the foe with its webbing.

Ariados, and its pre-evolution, {{p|Spinarak}}, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learn {{m|Spider Web}}.

==Behavior==
Rather than making a nest in one specific spot, it wanders in search of food after darkness falls. It will attach silk to its prey and set it free. Later, it tracks the silk to the prey and its friends.
==Habitat==
[[Image:Forest.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Forest Pokémon|Forest Pokémon]]]]

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
[[Image:Harley's Ariados.JPG|right|thumb|[[Harley's Ariados]]]]
In ''[[EP176|Ariados, Amigos]]'', [[Aya]]'s sensei owns an Ariados.

An Ariados appeared in [[AG014|''All in a Day's Wurmple'']], under the ownership of [[Forrester Franklin]].

[[Harley]] has an {{TP|Harley|Ariados}}.

In ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage]]'', some Ariados attacked {{an|Dawn}} and [[Dawn's Piplup|her Piplup]].

An Ariados owned by [[J]] appeared in ''[[DP020|Mutiny in the Bounty!]]''. As J proceeds to steal her victims' Pokémon, she has her Ariados tie up her victims with {{m|String Shot}}.

In [[DP071]], [[Hajime]] used his Capture Styler on an Ariados and had it use String Shot on some {{p|Crobat}}s that belonged to Hunter J's Henchmen.

=In the manga=
==In the Pokémon Special manga==
Since {{PSV|11}}, [[Janine]] is seen with an Ariados. She uses its string to help her scale buildings. It appears once again in {{PSV|13}}, when she uses it to take on [[Falkner]]. She explains here that Ariados can spit string for making webs using its spinneret, as well as spit a different type of thread for attacking from its mouth. This second type of thread is so sharp, it even cracks the metal body of Falkner's {{p|Skarmory}}.

[[Pryce|The Masked Man]] also has an Ariados, seen during his first appearance in [[Ilex Forest]]. The Masked Man uses an Ariados to combat {{p|Celebi}} due to the type advantages Ariados has over it.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Ariados (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=bug
|gen=2
|golddex=It spins string not only from its rear but also from its mouth. It is hard to tell which end is which.
|silverdex=A single strand of a special string is endlessly spun out of its rear. The string leads back to its nest.
|crystaldex=Rather than making a nest in one specific spot, it wanders in search of food after darkness falls.
|stadium2dex=It spins string not only from its rear but also from its mouth. It is hard to tell which end is which.
|rubydex=Ariados's feet are tipped with tiny hooked claws that enable it to scuttle on ceilings and vertical walls. This Pokémon constricts the foe with thin and strong silk {{m2|Spider Web|webbing}}.
|sapphiredex=Ariados's feet are tipped with tiny hooked claws that enable it to scuttle on ceilings and vertical walls. This Pokémon constricts the foe with thin and strong silk webbing.
|emeralddex=Its feet are tipped with tiny hooked claws that enable it to scuttle on ceilings and vertical walls. It constricts its foe with thin and strong silk webbing.
|firereddex=A single strand of a special string is endlessly spun out of its rear. The string leads back to its nest.
|leafgreendex=It spins string not only from its rear but also from its mouth. It is hard to tell which end is which.
|diamonddex=It attaches silk to its prey and sets it free. Later, it tracks the silk to the prey and its friends.
|pearldex=It attaches silk to its prey and sets it free. Later, it tracks the silk to the prey and its friends.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
gen=2 |
gsrarity=Rare (Gold) None (Silver) |
gsarea=[[Route 2]] (Night) |
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|2}} and {{rtn|37}} (Night) |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spinarak}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spinarak}} |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Shadow Pokémon Laboratory]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
xdarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spinarak}} |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea={{rt|229}} (Night) |
palarea=Field |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Train Endless Level 16 Forever Level 16 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Spinarak}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Olive Jungle]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Asoheru Building]]
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=70 |
Attack=90 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk=60 |
SpDef=60 |
Speed=40 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 25 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

==Learnset==
{{evolved learnset intro|Ariados}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! ROWSPAN=2 | Level || COLSPAN=2 | [[Generation II]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation III]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! GS || C
|-
| 23 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Fury Swipes}}
|-
| 25 || COLSPAN=2 | '''{{M|Leech Life}}''' || '''{{M|Leech Life}}''' ||
|-
| 28 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Sucker Punch}}
|-
| 32 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Spider Web}}
|-
| 34 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Fury Swipes}} || {{M|Fury Swipes}} ||
|-
| 37 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Agility}}
|-
| 41 || COLSPAN=2 | || || '''{{M|Pin Missile}}'''
|-
| 43 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Spider Web}} || {{M|Spider Web}} ||
|-
| 46 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Psychic}}
|-
| 50 || COLSPAN=2 | || || '''{{M|Poison Jab}}'''
|-
| 53 || {{M|Screech}} || {{M|Agility}} || {{M|Agility}} ||
|-
| 63 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}} ||
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! # || [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} || ||
|-
| TM06 || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM10 || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM13 || {{M|Snore}} || ||
|-
| TM15 || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}}
|-
| TM19 || {{M|Giga Drain}} || {{M|Giga Drain}} || {{M|Giga Drain}}
|-
| TM20 || {{M|Endure}} || ||
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{M|Frustration}} || {{M|Frustration}}
|-
| TM22 || {{M|SolarBeam}} || {{M|SolarBeam}} || {{M|SolarBeam}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{M|Return}} || {{M|Return}}
|-
| TM28 || {{M|Dig}} || {{M|Dig}} || {{M|Dig}}
|-
| TM29 || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}}
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} || ||
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || ||
|-
| TM36 || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}'''
|-
| TM42 || || {{M|Facade}} || {{M|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}}
|-
| TM58 || || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM68 || || || {{M|Giga Impact}}
|-
| TM70 || || || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM78 || || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 || || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM84 || || || '''{{M|Poison Jab}}'''
|-
| TM87 || || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Flash}} ||
|}

===By [[breeding]]===
In [[Pokémon Silver]], [[Pokémon Gold]] and [[Pokémon Crystal]]:
*{{m|Baton Pass}} - {{p|Ledyba}}/{{p|Ledian}}/{{p|Ninjask}}
*{{m|Disable}} - {{p|Venonat}}/{{p|Venomoth}}
*{{m|Poison Jab}} - {{p|Beedrill}}/{{p|Spinarak}}/{{p|Ariados}}/{{p|Gliscor}}
*{{m|Psybeam}} - {{p|Butterfree}}/{{p|Venonat}}/{{p|Venomoth}}
*{{m|Pursuit}} - {{p|Beedrill}}/{{p|Scyther}}/{{p|Scizor}}
*{{m|Signal Beam}} - {{p|Volbeat}}
*{{m|SonicBoom}} - {{p|Yanma}}
*{{m|Toxic Spikes}} - {{p|Beedrill}}/{{p|Skorupi}}/{{p|Drapion}}

Note: Breeding with a {{p|Smeargle}} who {{m|Sketch}}ed those moves also gives the child the move.

===By tutoring===
===Special moves===

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=bug |
ndex=168 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Secretive Forest |
P1= Don't get my head and rear end mixed up! |
P2= Darn... My HP's gone down half already? |
P3= It's bad... I'm out of silk and poison, too. |
PL= Yes! That's my level! I can feel the power coursing through me! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Bug |
typeA= Bug |
field= None |
loop=6 |
browser= Ariados is quick and nimble on its feet. It spits silk to interfere with capture. |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Bug |
typeA2= Bug |
field2= Tackle x3 |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=167.png |
name=Spinarak }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 22 |
image=168.png |
name=Ariados }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=bug|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=168|
name=Ariados|
}}

==Trivia==
*Ariados is the one of the few, if not only, pokémon who's Gold and Silver Sprites are the same.
===Origin===
Ariados's appearance is based on the Happy Faced Spider.
====Name origin====
Ariados's name is probably derived from ''{{wp|arachnid}}'', Latin for {{wp|spider}} or {{wp|Ariadne}}. "Dos" could be derived from Spanish for "two" since it's the second in its evolutionary line, or from the Japanese 脅す ''odosu'', to threaten.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Ariados
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Migalos
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 아리아도스 ''Ariadoseu''

=External links=
* [[wp:Ariados|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Spinarak | next=Crobat }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Ariados]]
[[ja:アリアドス]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Ariados (pokémon)]]

Hitmonchan (Pokémon)

2008-05-06T01:30:18Z

Quick Man: /* Trivia */ I Forgot somthing!

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hitmonlee | next=Lickitung }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Hitmonchan |
jname=エビワラー |
tmname=Ebiwalar |
image=107Hitmonchan.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=107 |
jdex=145 |
hdex=275 |
typen=1 |
type1=Fighting |
type2= |
species=Punching |
height-ftin=4′07″ |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=110.7 |
weight-kg=50.2 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Keen Eye |
ability2=Iron Fist |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=6,400 |
effortyield=2 SpD |
expyield=140 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=allmale |
female=0 |
male=100 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
pokefordex=hitmonchan |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Hitmonchan''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: エビワラー ''Ebiwalar'') is a {{t|Fighting}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
Hitmonchan is a male-only species with no female counter-part. However, its appearance at first led many people to believe that it was a female species because of the light purple tunic it wears.

===Special abilities===

Hitmonchan's most notable ability is its wide versatility in boxing--its major attacks are almost all punches, making use of the boxing gloves that protect its fists.

Hitmonchan are well-known for their capability of {{m2|Comet Punch|lightning-fast punches}}, faster than bullet trains, that are impossible to be seen by the naked human eye. When doing this, it sometimes appears as if Hitmonchan is standing still, as the assault is too fast to be seen.

Although they have an extremely well-developed talent in quick, light blows, Hitmonchan can also throw power-packed punches. By punching in corkscrew fashion, they are able to punch through solid concrete in the same way as a drill.

Before making contact with a target, Hitmonchan will spin its arms to increase the power of its attacks. Both its speed and power punches slice the air, and are launched at such a high speed, just a slight graze by one can cause a burn.

Hitmonchan is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learns {{m|Vacuum Wave}}.

==Behavior==

It is widely said that Hitmonchan possesses the spirit of a professional boxer working towards the world championship. With an indomitable spirit pushing it to work harder, it never gives up, especially in the face of adversity. However, it usually needs a short break after each fight it takes part in.

Hitmonchan are known to casually practice and hone their abilities by launching unseen volleys of punches. Since they aren't normally found in the wild, it can be hard to determine their behavior without a trainer's influence. When under the possession of a [[trainer]], however, a Hitmonchan will eventually take after the person, as most Pokémon do; it may become a hard worker, striving to become better, or it might fight for bad purposes without question.

==Habitat==
[[Image:Urban.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Urban Pokémon|Urban Pokémon]]]]
Hitmonchan are extremely rare in the wild, and have virtually never been seen. It is an urban species that would typically be found near cities or suburbs rather than in forests. But, some Hitmonchan have been known to train in the mountains or at facilities made for such work, such as an abandoned fighting dojo.

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
[[Image:ThePunchyPokemon.gif|thumb|right|Hitmonchan in the anime]]

Hitmonchan's first apperance was in ''[[EP029|The Punchy Pokémon]]'' under a trainer named {{Ka|Anthony}}. It was entered in the [[P1 Grand Prix]], but ended up losing to a {{p|Hitmonlee}} stolen by [[Team Rocket]] because the match was sabotaged.

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by a [[Yas Gym]] trainer.

In ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'', Hitmonchan was one of the Pokémon shown in an exercise gym. Team Rocket tried to steal the group of {{type2|fighting}} Pokémon, but were stopped by [[Ash]] and [[Ash's friends|his friends]].

During ''[[EP084|The Lost Lapras]]'', it was owned by an obnoxious trainer that used it to attack a beached [[Ash's Lapras|Lapras]].

In ''[[EP090|Stage Fight]]'', Hitmonchan was a major performer in a Pokémon show, where the plot was around a boxing match between it and a glove-wearing {{p|Machoke}}.

[[Rudy]] had one in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

In ''[[EP136|Chikorita's Big Upset]]'', it was part of a group of {{T|fighting}}-type Pokémon that roamed the streets of the city as a gang.

''[[EP166|Two Hits and a Miss]]'' featured a fighting-type dojo where one of the many Pokémon was a Hitmonchan.

In ''[[EP233|A Tyrogue Full of Trouble]]'', Karate King [[Kiyo]] owned one and fought alongside it to break a rolling boulder. He later used it in battle to attempt to capture a wild {{p|Tyrogue}}.

In ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later]]'', one was used in battle by one of the [[Invincible Pokémon Brothers]].

Another classic replay of the Hitmonlee versus Hitmonchan battle was performed in ''[[AG145|Pasta La Vista]]''. A trainer named [[Kyle Hamm|Kyle]] owned a Hitmonchan that was used in battle to decide the fate of [[Master Hamm|his father]]'s fighting dojo.

=In the manga=
[[Bruno]] has a Hitmonchan in [[Pokémon Special]], which is capable of using {{m|Fire Punch}}, {{m|ThunderPunch}} and {{m|Ice Punch}} at high calibre. Bruno remarks that Hitmonchan is like having three Pokémon in one.

{{Special|Crystal}} is later seen with a Hitmonchan in her capture team, who is capable of blindingly fast punching attacks.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Hitmonchan (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=fighting
|gen=1
|redbluedex=While apparently doing nothing, it fires {{m2|Comet Punch|punches}} in lightning fast volleys that are impossible to see.
|yellowdex=Punches in corkscrew fashion. It can punch its way through a concrete wall in the same way as a drill.
|stadiumdex=Adept at punching invisibly quick at bullet-train speed. It takes a break every three minutes as it moves around.
|golddex=Its punches slice through the air. However, it seems to need a short break after fighting for three minutes.
|silverdex=Its punches slice the air. They are launched at such high speed, even a slight graze could cause a burn.
|crystaldex=To increase the strength of all its punch moves, it spins it arms just before making contact.
|stadium2dex=Its punches slice through the air. However, it seems to need a short break after fighting for three minutes.
|rubydex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who had been working towards a world championship. This Pokémon has an indomitable spirit and will never give up in the face of adversity.
|sapphiredex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who had been working towards a world championship. This Pokémon has an indomitable spirit and will never give up in the face of adversity.
|emeralddex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who aimed to become the world champion. Having an indomitable spirit means that it will never give up.
|firereddex=The spirit of a pro boxer has infused this Pokémon. It throws {{m2|Mach Punch|punches}} that are faster than a {{wp|bullet train}}.
|leafgreendex=While apparently doing nothing, it fires {{m2|Comet Punch|punches}} in lightning fast volleys that are impossible to see.
|diamonddex=The arm-twisting punches it throws pulverize even concrete. It rests after three minutes of fighting.
|pearldex=The arm-twisting punches it throws pulverize even concrete. It rests after three minutes of fighting.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=Fighting |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=One |
rbarea=[[Saffron City]] |
yrarity=One |
yarea=[[Saffron City]] |
gsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
carea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Saffron City]] |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Citadark Isle]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Pokémon Stadium]]
| [[Gym Leader Castle]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 17 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Tyrogue}}
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=50 |
Attack=105 |
Defense=79 |
SpAtk=35 |
SpDef=110 |
Special=35 |
Speed=76 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 200 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50 }}

==Learnset==

{{learnset intro|Hitmonchan}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 33 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| 43 || {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 48 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 53 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| Start || {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 26 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 32 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 44 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 50 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || '''{{M|Revenge}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| 20 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 26 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 32 || '''{{M|Sky Uppercut}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 44 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 50 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || '''{{M|Revenge}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 6 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 11|| {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| rowspan="2" | 16 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Bullet Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 21 || {{M|Me First}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 26 || '''{{M|Vacuum Wave}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 31 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 36 || '''{{M|Sky Uppercut}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 41 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 46 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 51 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 56 || '''{{M|Close Combat}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM05 || {{M|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM09 || {{m|Take Down}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM17 || '''{{M|Submission}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM19 || {{M|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Rage}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM34 || {{m|Bide}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Metronome}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM40 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM50 || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|DynamicPunch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM02 || {{M|Headbutt}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} || {{ic|Unknown}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| TM13 || {{M|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || {{m|Mud Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM33 || {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| TM34 || {{m|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM41 || {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| TM48 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|fire}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|Focus Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Bulk Up}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || '''{{m|Brick Break}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Rock Tomb}} || {{ic|rock}}
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|Focus Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Bulk Up}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|special}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM31 || '''{{m|Brick Break}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Rock Tomb}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM52 || '''{{M|Focus Blast}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|special}}
|-
| TM56 || {{M|Fling}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM58 || {{M|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM60 || '''{{M|Drain Punch}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| TM71 || {{M|Stone Edge}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM78 || {{M|Captivate}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM80 || {{M|Rock Slide}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM82 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM83 || {{M|Natural Gift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM84 || {{M|Poison Jab}} || {{ic|poison}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM87 || {{M|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM90 || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| HM08 || {{M|Rock Climb}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|}
|}

===By [[move tutor|tutoring]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
! colspan="3" | [[Version]]
|-
| {{m|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Metronome}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Rock Slide}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Dynamicpunch}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mud-Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Thunderpunch}} || {{ic|Electric}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|}

===Special moves===
In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Hitmonchan knows {{m|Shadow Down}} and {{m|Shadow Rush}} as a [[Shadow Pokémon]], and learns {{m|Helping Hand}} after being [[Purification|purified]].

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=fighting |
ndex=107 |
Pincatch=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Mt. Discipline |
P1= I'll dance around and stun you with my moves! |
P2= Say what? Half my HP's gone? |
P3= No more... I'm out of stamina... |
PL= Hey, yeah! Leveled up! My punches ooze power now! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Baby |
image=236.png |
name=Tyrogue }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 20 (Attack < Defense) |
image=107.png |
name=Hitmonchan }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=fighting|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=107|
name=Hitmonchan|
}}

==Trivia==
* Hitmonchan's Pokédex entry says it can punch at blinding speeds. This may refer to {{m|Bullet Punch}}, a move it can learn in Generation IV.
* Hitmonchan's National Dex number is 107. In {{wp|Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!|Punch-Out!!}}, a boxing game made by Nintendo, the main character, Little Mac, weighs 107 pounds.
*Hitmonchan learns the most First Priotity moves, with 3 out of 7 of them.
===Origin===
It may be a personification of {{wp|boxing}}, a fighting style and sport that focuses on punching.
====Name origin====
Hitmonchan's name can be broken down into ''hit'', ''monster'' and ''Chan'' - as in {{wp|Jackie Chan}}; perhaps meaning "The monster that hits like Jackie Chan". Its name is similar to its two parallel evolutions to {{p|Tyrogue}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}} and {{p|Hitmontop}}. Its Japanese name is from world champion boxer えびはらひろゆき, ''{{wp|Hiroyuki Ebihara}}''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nockchan
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Tygnon - ''-ty'' is for Mike Tyson, and ''gnon'' means thump.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 홍수몬 ''Hongsumon''

=External links=
*[[wp:Hitmonchan|Article on Wikipedia]]

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[[Category:Male-only Pokémon]]
[[de:Nockchan]]
[[ja:エビワラー]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Hitmonchan (pokémon)]]

Hitmonchan (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hitmonlee | next=Lickitung }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Hitmonchan |
jname=エビワラー |
tmname=Ebiwalar |
image=107Hitmonchan.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=107 |
jdex=145 |
hdex=275 |
typen=1 |
type1=Fighting |
type2= |
species=Punching |
height-ftin=4′07″ |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=110.7 |
weight-kg=50.2 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Keen Eye |
ability2=Iron Fist |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=6,400 |
effortyield=2 SpD |
expyield=140 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=allmale |
female=0 |
male=100 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
pokefordex=hitmonchan |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Hitmonchan''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: エビワラー ''Ebiwalar'') is a {{t|Fighting}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
Hitmonchan is a male-only species with no female counter-part. However, its appearance at first led many people to believe that it was a female species because of the light purple tunic it wears.

===Special abilities===

Hitmonchan's most notable ability is its wide versatility in boxing--its major attacks are almost all punches, making use of the boxing gloves that protect its fists.

Hitmonchan are well-known for their capability of {{m2|Comet Punch|lightning-fast punches}}, faster than bullet trains, that are impossible to be seen by the naked human eye. When doing this, it sometimes appears as if Hitmonchan is standing still, as the assault is too fast to be seen.

Although they have an extremely well-developed talent in quick, light blows, Hitmonchan can also throw power-packed punches. By punching in corkscrew fashion, they are able to punch through solid concrete in the same way as a drill.

Before making contact with a target, Hitmonchan will spin its arms to increase the power of its attacks. Both its speed and power punches slice the air, and are launched at such a high speed, just a slight graze by one can cause a burn.

Hitmonchan is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learns {{m|Vacuum Wave}}.

==Behavior==

It is widely said that Hitmonchan possesses the spirit of a professional boxer working towards the world championship. With an indomitable spirit pushing it to work harder, it never gives up, especially in the face of adversity. However, it usually needs a short break after each fight it takes part in.

Hitmonchan are known to casually practice and hone their abilities by launching unseen volleys of punches. Since they aren't normally found in the wild, it can be hard to determine their behavior without a trainer's influence. When under the possession of a [[trainer]], however, a Hitmonchan will eventually take after the person, as most Pokémon do; it may become a hard worker, striving to become better, or it might fight for bad purposes without question.

==Habitat==
[[Image:Urban.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Urban Pokémon|Urban Pokémon]]]]
Hitmonchan are extremely rare in the wild, and have virtually never been seen. It is an urban species that would typically be found near cities or suburbs rather than in forests. But, some Hitmonchan have been known to train in the mountains or at facilities made for such work, such as an abandoned fighting dojo.

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
[[Image:ThePunchyPokemon.gif|thumb|right|Hitmonchan in the anime]]

Hitmonchan's first apperance was in ''[[EP029|The Punchy Pokémon]]'' under a trainer named {{Ka|Anthony}}. It was entered in the [[P1 Grand Prix]], but ended up losing to a {{p|Hitmonlee}} stolen by [[Team Rocket]] because the match was sabotaged.

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by a [[Yas Gym]] trainer.

In ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'', Hitmonchan was one of the Pokémon shown in an exercise gym. Team Rocket tried to steal the group of {{type2|fighting}} Pokémon, but were stopped by [[Ash]] and [[Ash's friends|his friends]].

During ''[[EP084|The Lost Lapras]]'', it was owned by an obnoxious trainer that used it to attack a beached [[Ash's Lapras|Lapras]].

In ''[[EP090|Stage Fight]]'', Hitmonchan was a major performer in a Pokémon show, where the plot was around a boxing match between it and a glove-wearing {{p|Machoke}}.

[[Rudy]] had one in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

In ''[[EP136|Chikorita's Big Upset]]'', it was part of a group of {{T|fighting}}-type Pokémon that roamed the streets of the city as a gang.

''[[EP166|Two Hits and a Miss]]'' featured a fighting-type dojo where one of the many Pokémon was a Hitmonchan.

In ''[[EP233|A Tyrogue Full of Trouble]]'', Karate King [[Kiyo]] owned one and fought alongside it to break a rolling boulder. He later used it in battle to attempt to capture a wild {{p|Tyrogue}}.

In ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later]]'', one was used in battle by one of the [[Invincible Pokémon Brothers]].

Another classic replay of the Hitmonlee versus Hitmonchan battle was performed in ''[[AG145|Pasta La Vista]]''. A trainer named [[Kyle Hamm|Kyle]] owned a Hitmonchan that was used in battle to decide the fate of [[Master Hamm|his father]]'s fighting dojo.

=In the manga=
[[Bruno]] has a Hitmonchan in [[Pokémon Special]], which is capable of using {{m|Fire Punch}}, {{m|ThunderPunch}} and {{m|Ice Punch}} at high calibre. Bruno remarks that Hitmonchan is like having three Pokémon in one.

{{Special|Crystal}} is later seen with a Hitmonchan in her capture team, who is capable of blindingly fast punching attacks.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Hitmonchan (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=fighting
|gen=1
|redbluedex=While apparently doing nothing, it fires {{m2|Comet Punch|punches}} in lightning fast volleys that are impossible to see.
|yellowdex=Punches in corkscrew fashion. It can punch its way through a concrete wall in the same way as a drill.
|stadiumdex=Adept at punching invisibly quick at bullet-train speed. It takes a break every three minutes as it moves around.
|golddex=Its punches slice through the air. However, it seems to need a short break after fighting for three minutes.
|silverdex=Its punches slice the air. They are launched at such high speed, even a slight graze could cause a burn.
|crystaldex=To increase the strength of all its punch moves, it spins it arms just before making contact.
|stadium2dex=Its punches slice through the air. However, it seems to need a short break after fighting for three minutes.
|rubydex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who had been working towards a world championship. This Pokémon has an indomitable spirit and will never give up in the face of adversity.
|sapphiredex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who had been working towards a world championship. This Pokémon has an indomitable spirit and will never give up in the face of adversity.
|emeralddex=A Hitmonchan is said to possess the spirit of a boxer who aimed to become the world champion. Having an indomitable spirit means that it will never give up.
|firereddex=The spirit of a pro boxer has infused this Pokémon. It throws {{m2|Mach Punch|punches}} that are faster than a {{wp|bullet train}}.
|leafgreendex=While apparently doing nothing, it fires {{m2|Comet Punch|punches}} in lightning fast volleys that are impossible to see.
|diamonddex=The arm-twisting punches it throws pulverize even concrete. It rests after three minutes of fighting.
|pearldex=The arm-twisting punches it throws pulverize even concrete. It rests after three minutes of fighting.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=Fighting |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=One |
rbarea=[[Saffron City]] |
yrarity=One |
yarea=[[Saffron City]] |
gsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
carea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Saffron City]] |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Citadark Isle]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Tyrogue}} |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Pokémon Stadium]]
| [[Gym Leader Castle]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 17 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Tyrogue}}
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=50 |
Attack=105 |
Defense=79 |
SpAtk=35 |
SpDef=110 |
Special=35 |
Speed=76 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 200 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50 }}

==Learnset==

{{learnset intro|Hitmonchan}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 33 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| 43 || {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 48 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 53 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| Start || {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 26 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 32 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 44 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 50 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || '''{{M|Revenge}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| 20 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 26 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| 32 || '''{{M|Sky Uppercut}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 38 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| 44 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| 50 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | Start || '''{{M|Revenge}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Comet Punch}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 6 || {{M|Agility}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 11|| {{M|Pursuit}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| rowspan="2" | 16 || '''{{M|Mach Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Bullet Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 21 || {{M|Me First}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 26 || '''{{M|Vacuum Wave}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| rowspan="3" | 31 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 36 || '''{{M|Sky Uppercut}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 41 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 46 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 51 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| 56 || '''{{M|Close Combat}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || {{M|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM05 || {{M|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM09 || {{m|Take Down}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM17 || '''{{M|Submission}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM19 || {{M|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Rage}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM34 || {{m|Bide}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Metronome}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM40 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM50 || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|DynamicPunch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM02 || {{M|Headbutt}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} || {{ic|Unknown}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| TM13 || {{M|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || {{m|Mud Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM33 || {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|ice}}
|-
| TM34 || {{m|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM41 || {{M|ThunderPunch}} || {{ic|Electric}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| TM48 || {{M|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|fire}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|Focus Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Bulk Up}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM31 || '''{{m|Brick Break}}''' || {{ic|fighting}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Rock Tomb}} || {{ic|rock}}
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|normal}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{M|Focus Punch}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|poison}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Bulk Up}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|special}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM31 || '''{{m|Brick Break}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Rock Tomb}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|psychic}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM52 || '''{{M|Focus Blast}}''' || {{ic|fighting}} || {{ic|special}}
|-
| TM56 || {{M|Fling}} || {{ic|dark}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM58 || {{M|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM60 || '''{{M|Drain Punch}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| TM71 || {{M|Stone Edge}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM78 || {{M|Captivate}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM80 || {{M|Rock Slide}} || {{ic|rock}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM82 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM83 || {{M|Natural Gift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM84 || {{M|Poison Jab}} || {{ic|poison}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| TM87 || {{M|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| TM90 || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|status}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Rock Smash}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|physical}}
|-
| HM08 || {{M|Rock Climb}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|physical}}
|}
|}

===By [[move tutor|tutoring]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
! colspan="3" | [[Version]]
|-
| {{m|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Metronome}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Rock Slide}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Dynamicpunch}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Fire Punch}} || {{ic|Fire}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mud-Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Swift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Thunderpunch}} || {{ic|Electric}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|}

===Special moves===
In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Hitmonchan knows {{m|Shadow Down}} and {{m|Shadow Rush}} as a [[Shadow Pokémon]], and learns {{m|Helping Hand}} after being [[Purification|purified]].

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=fighting |
ndex=107 |
Pincatch=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Mt. Discipline |
P1= I'll dance around and stun you with my moves! |
P2= Say what? Half my HP's gone? |
P3= No more... I'm out of stamina... |
PL= Hey, yeah! Leveled up! My punches ooze power now! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Baby |
image=236.png |
name=Tyrogue }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 20 (Attack < Defense) |
image=107.png |
name=Hitmonchan }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=fighting|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=107|
name=Hitmonchan|
}}

==Trivia==
* Hitmonchan's Pokédex entry says it can punch at blinding speeds. This may refer to {{m|Bullet Punch}}, a move it can learn in Generation IV.
* Hitmonchan's Kanto a National Dex Number is 107. In {{wp|Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!}}, A Boxing game Made by Nintendo, The Main Charecter, Little Mac, weighs 107 Pounds.
===Origin===
It may be a personification of {{wp|boxing}}, a fighting style and sport that focuses on punching.
====Name origin====
Hitmonchan's name can be broken down into ''hit'', ''monster'' and ''Chan'' - as in {{wp|Jackie Chan}}; perhaps meaning "The monster that hits like Jackie Chan". Its name is similar to its two parallel evolutions to {{p|Tyrogue}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}} and {{p|Hitmontop}}. Its Japanese name is from world champion boxer えびはらひろゆき, ''{{wp|Hiroyuki Ebihara}}''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nockchan
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Tygnon - ''-ty'' is for Mike Tyson, and ''gnon'' means thump.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 홍수몬 ''Hongsumon''

=External links=
*[[wp:Hitmonchan|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hitmonlee | next=Lickitung }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Male-only Pokémon]]
[[de:Nockchan]]
[[ja:エビワラー]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Hitmonchan (pokémon)]]

Talk:Animated series move errors

2008-04-24T19:57:20Z

Quick Man: /* Some of these attacks */

Azelf (Pokémon)

2008-04-21T12:58:54Z

Quick Man: That is pure speculation!

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Mesprit | next=Dialga }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Azelf |
jname=アグノム |
tmname=Agnome |
image=Art-Agnom.jpg |
caption=Artwork from Diamond/Pearl |
ndex=482 |
sdex=148 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Willpower |
height-ftin=1′00″ |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=0.7 |
weight-kg=0.3 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
ability2= |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=20,480 |
effortyield=2 Atk, 1 SpA |
expyield=210 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=none |
female=0 |
male=0 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=3 |
pokefordex= |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Azelf''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''アグノム''' ''Agnome'') is the third member of the Sinnoh {{t|Psychic}}-type [[Legendary Pokémon]] [[legendary trio|trio]].

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Azelf is a small, blue, fairy-like Pokémon. It has two tails that each have a red jewel on them. These are, presumably, two of the jewels which make up the [[Red Chain]]. Azelf has a partially cyan face with another red gem on its forehead. Azelf has a cone-shaped head with fins on the side.
===Gender differences===
Azelf is a genderless species.
===Special abilities===
Azelf has the ability to control one's will, according to the [[Sinnoh]] Pokémon Handbook.
It can also enter the body of another Pokémon or a human.

==Behavior==
==Habitat==
Azelf sleeps beneath [[Lake Valor]].

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=

A statue and silhouette of Azelf appears in ''[[DP036|A Secret Sphere of Influence!]]''

Azelf might appear in spirit form (much like {{p|Mesprit}} did to {{an|Dawn}} in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage]]'') to {{Ash}} in [[DP078]].

=In the manga=

=In the TCG=
{{main|Azelf (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=4
|diamonddex=Known as "The Being of Willpower." It sleeps at the bottom of a lake to keep the world in balance.
|pearldex=It is thought that Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf all came from the same egg.
|}}

==Game locations==
[[Image:Lake Azelf.png|thumb|right|Azelf in Valor Cavern.]]
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=4 |
dprarity=One |
dparea=[[Lake Valor|Valor Cavern]] |
}}
===In side games===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]]
| [[Great Crystal Passage]] (Crystal Lake)
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=75 |
Attack=125 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk=125 |
SpDef=70 |
Speed=115 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 }}

Note: {{Levitate|1×}}

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Azelf}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #{{water color}}; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! [[Level|Lv.]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| Start || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 6 || {{M|Imprison}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 16 || {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 21 || '''{{M|Confusion}}''' || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 31 || {{M|Uproar}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 36 || {{M|Future Sight}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 46 || {{M|Nasty Plot}} || {{ic|Dark}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 51 || '''{{M|Extrasensory}}''' || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 61 || {{M|Last Resort}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 66 || {{M|Natural Gift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 76 || {{M|Explosion}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| [[TM03]]
| {{m|Water Pulse}}
| {{ic|Water}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM04]]
| {{m|Calm Mind}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM06]]
| {{m|Toxic}}
| {{ic|Poison}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM10]]
| {{m|Hidden Power}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM11]]
| {{m|Sunny Day}}
| {{ic|Fire}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM12]]
| {{m|Taunt}}
| {{ic|Dark}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM15]]
| {{m|Hyper Beam}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM16]]
| {{m|Light Screen}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM17]]
| {{m|Protect}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM18]]
| {{m|Rain Dance}}
| {{ic|Water}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM20]]
| {{m|Safeguard}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM21]]
| {{m|Frustration}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM23]]
| {{m|Iron Tail}}
| {{ic|Steel}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM24]]
| {{m|Thunderbolt}}
| {{ic|Electric}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM25]]
| {{m|Thunder}}
| {{ic|Electric}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM27]]
| {{m|Return}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM29]]
| '''{{m|Psychic}}'''
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM30]]
| {{m|Shadow Ball}}
| {{ic|Ghost}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM32]]
| {{m|Double Team}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM33]]
| {{m|Reflect}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM34]]
| {{m|Shock Wave}}
| {{ic|Electric}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM35]]
| {{m|Flamethrower}}
| {{ic|Fire}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM37]]
| {{m|Sandstorm}}
| {{ic|Rock}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM38]]
| {{m|Fire Blast}}
| {{ic|Fire}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM41]]
| {{m|Torment}}
| {{ic|Dark}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM42]]
| {{m|Facade}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM43]]
| {{m|Secret Power}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM44]]
| {{m|Rest}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM48]]
| {{m|Skill Swap}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM53]]
| {{m|Energy Ball}}
| {{ic|Grass}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM56]]
| {{m|Fling}}
| {{ic|Dark}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM57]]
| {{m|Charge Beam}}
| {{ic|Electric}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM58]]
| {{m|Endure}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM64]]
| {{m|Explosion}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM66]]
| {{m|Payback}}
| {{ic|Dark}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM67]]
| {{m|Recycle}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM68]]
| {{m|Giga Impact}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM70]]
| {{m|Flash}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM73]]
| {{m|Thunder Wave}}
| {{ic|Electric}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM76]]
| {{m|Stealth Rock}}
| {{ic|Rock}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM77]]
| {{m|Psych Up}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM82]]
| {{m|Sleep Talk}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM83]]
| {{m|Natural Gift}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM85]]
| '''{{m|Dream Eater}}'''
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM86]]
| {{m|Grass Knot}}
| {{ic|Grass}}
| {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM87]]
| {{m|Swagger}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM89]]
| {{m|U-turn}}
| {{ic|Bug}}
| {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM90]]
| {{m|Substitute}}
| {{ic|Normal}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM92]]
| {{m|Trick Room}}
| {{ic|Psychic}}
| {{ic|Status}}
|}
|}

==Evolution==
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|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=482.png |
name=Azelf }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=482|
name=Azelf|
animated=1|
}}

=Trivia=
*Azelf is the first [[legendary Pokémon]] since the [[legendary birds]] of [[Generation I]] to have its name changed.
*Azelf is, as of [[Generation IV]], one of the three lightest legendary Pokémon, tied with the other members of [[Lake trio|its trio]]. It is also, tied with the other members of its trio, the second lightest of all Pokémon, after {{p|Gastly}} and {{p|Haunter}}.

==Origin==
Azelf appears to be a {{wp|pixie}} or a {{wp|fairy}} and the color {{wp|cyan}}, although its name suggests that it's an {{wp|elf}}. Azelf and the rest of the trio could possibly have originated from the {{wp|Imperial Regalia of Japan}}, which are also called the Three Sacred Treasures. Azelf would be the Sword of Valor.

===Name origin===
Azelf comes from ''azure'' and ''elf'' or ''us'' and ''elf''. The first part of its Japanese name comes from the Japanese verb ''aguneru'', meaning ''to lose interest in''. The last part of its name comes from {{wp|gnome}}.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Tobutz
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Crefadet
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: ???

=Related articles=
* [[Lake trio]]

=External links=
* [[wp:Agnom|Article on Wikipedia]]
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Mesprit | next=Dialga }}

{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are not part of an evolutionary line]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Trio Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon obtainable before the Elite Four]]
[[Category:Sinnoh Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Genderless Pokémon]]

[[de:Tobutz]]
[[ja:アグノム]]
[[pt:Azelf (pokémon)]]

Talk:Signature move/Archive 1

2008-04-15T12:57:14Z

Quick Man: /* Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs? */

==Skarmory?==
Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.
:That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}} [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and {{m|Vacuum Wave}}. I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
What about [[Porygon-Z]] and [[Trick Room]]? Though Trick Room is a [[TM]], only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about [[Metagross]] and [[Meteor Mash]]?
--[[User:Mooshykris|Mooshykris]] 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[[Clefairy]] learns [[Meteor Mash]], though...hardly exclusive...
--[[User:Myrmidon|Myrmidom]]

And [[Chimchar]] with [[Facade]], this is the same scenario as [[Trick Room]]. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs? ==

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[TM]] or [[HM]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | [[TM01]]
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Focus Punch}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Vigoroth}}
| 43
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 43
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM21]]
| {{m|Frustration}}
| {{p|Buneary}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM27]]
| {{m|Return}}
| {{p|Lopunny}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM42]]
| {{m|Facade}}
| {{p|Chimchar}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="3" | [[TM47]]
| rowspan="3" | {{m|Steel Wing}}
| rowspan="3" | {{p|Skarmory}}
| 49
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 32
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[HM05]] ([[Generation III]])
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Flash}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Volbeat}}
| rowspan="2" | --
| rowspan="2" | {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM70]]
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Smoochum}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Jynx}}
| 33
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM92]]
| {{m|Trick Room}}
| {{p|Porygon-Z}}
| --
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Goldeen}}
| 37
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 37
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Seaking}}
| 39
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 40
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

: As I said above, Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}}. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

::I placed it [[#Level-up_otherwise_exclusive_to_Move_Tutors.3F|here]] so that we stay in a [[Generation III]]/[[Generation IV|IV]] scope. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Raquazza and Fly! Only he learns through level up!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 12:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors? ==

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Mega Kick}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| 53
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 49
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding? ==

In the article, {{m|Octazooka}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Octillery}}, and {{m|Present}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Delibird}} (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Icicle Spear}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Shellder}}
| 8
| {{gen|III}} ([[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|FR/LG]])
|- align="center"
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Makuhita}}
| 31
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Hariyama}}
| 33
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| {{m|Vacuum Wave}}
| {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| 26
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

== About evolved forms ==

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed? {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Raichu}} appear in the article. However, the species that actually learns {{m|Volt Tackle}} is {{p|Pichu}} (making the [[Pokémon Battle Revolution#Colosseums|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] a [[Signature move#Trivia|trivia section]] material). If Raichu can appear in the list, then {{p|Togekiss}} and {{p|Mismagius}} should, too. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Splash?==

Would [[Splash (move)|Splash]] be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much [[Magikarp (Pokémon)|Magikarp]]'s trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:You're right, according to the current status of the article. But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list. IMO, in any case, [[Generation III]] stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with [[Generation IV]], but I still don't like the idea.
:I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right? Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too. I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. <big>[[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']] [[Image:Ani474MS.gif]][[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]</big> 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::You mean like {{p|Blaziken}}'s {{m|Blaze Kick}}? '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::As in check the {{m|Zap Cannon}} page...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon '''or a very small select group of Pokémon'''." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:
#They don't seem to be related...
#Five Pokémon isn't a small group
#Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...
'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::well...
::#they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
::#its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)
::
::'''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ack! You win...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Splitting ==

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
::But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== Small group? ==

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with {{m|Magnet Bomb}}, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about {{m|Meteor Mash}} then? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Staryu ==

In Generation III, [[Staryu]] was the only Pokemon who could learn [[Camouflage (move)|Camouflage]]. [[Mothim]] can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -[[User:TIMMY|TIMMY]]

: Added. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

: Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Skitty ==

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Signature move/Archive 1

2008-04-14T13:26:30Z

Quick Man: /* Skitty */ new section

==Skarmory?==
Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.
:That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}} [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and {{m|Vacuum Wave}}. I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
What about [[Porygon-Z]] and [[Trick Room]]? Though Trick Room is a [[TM]], only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about [[Metagross]] and [[Meteor Mash]]?
--[[User:Mooshykris|Mooshykris]] 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[[Clefairy]] learns [[Meteor Mash]], though...hardly exclusive...
--[[User:Myrmidon|Myrmidom]]

And [[Chimchar]] with [[Facade]], this is the same scenario as [[Trick Room]]. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs? ==

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[TM]] or [[HM]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | [[TM01]]
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Focus Punch}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Vigoroth}}
| 43
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 43
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM21]]
| {{m|Frustration}}
| {{p|Buneary}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM27]]
| {{m|Return}}
| {{p|Lopunny}}
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM42]]
| {{m|Facade}}
| {{p|Chimchar}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="3" | [[TM47]]
| rowspan="3" | {{m|Steel Wing}}
| rowspan="3" | {{p|Skarmory}}
| 49
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 32
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[HM05]] ([[Generation III]])
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Flash}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Volbeat}}
| rowspan="2" | --
| rowspan="2" | {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM70]]
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Smoochum}}
| 31
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM72]]
| {{m|Avalanche}}
| {{p|Jynx}}
| 33
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| [[TM92]]
| {{m|Trick Room}}
| {{p|Porygon-Z}}
| --
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Goldeen}}
| 37
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 38
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 37
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | [[HM07]]
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Waterfall}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Seaking}}
| 39
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 41
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 40
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

: As I said above, Hitmonlee with {{M|Mega Kick}}. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

::I placed it [[#Level-up_otherwise_exclusive_to_Move_Tutors.3F|here]] so that we stay in a [[Generation III]]/[[Generation IV|IV]] scope. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors? ==

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="4" | {{m|Mega Kick}}
| rowspan="4" | {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| 53
| {{gen|I}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|II}}
|- align="center"
| 46
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 49
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

== Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding? ==

In the article, {{m|Octazooka}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Octillery}}, and {{m|Present}} is listed as being signature of only {{p|Delibird}} (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! [[Move]]
! [[Pokémon]]
! [[Level]]
! [[Generation]]
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|Icicle Spear}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Shellder}}
| 8
| {{gen|III}} ([[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|FR/LG]])
|- align="center"
| 13
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Makuhita}}
| 31
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" | {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Hariyama}}
| 33
| {{gen|III}}
|- align="center"
| 22
| {{gen|IV}}
|- align="center"
| {{m|Vacuum Wave}}
| {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| 26
| {{gen|IV}}
|}
 

== About evolved forms ==

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed? {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Raichu}} appear in the article. However, the species that actually learns {{m|Volt Tackle}} is {{p|Pichu}} (making the [[Pokémon Battle Revolution#Colosseums|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] a [[Signature move#Trivia|trivia section]] material). If Raichu can appear in the list, then {{p|Togekiss}} and {{p|Mismagius}} should, too. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Splash?==

Would [[Splash (move)|Splash]] be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much [[Magikarp (Pokémon)|Magikarp]]'s trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:You're right, according to the current status of the article. But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list. IMO, in any case, [[Generation III]] stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with [[Generation IV]], but I still don't like the idea.
:I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right? Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too. I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. <big>[[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']] [[Image:Ani474MS.gif]][[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]</big> 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::You mean like {{p|Blaziken}}'s {{m|Blaze Kick}}? {{User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page|Hi}} 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::As in check the {{m|Zap Cannon}} page...{{User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page|Hi}} 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon '''or a very small select group of Pokémon'''." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:
#They don't seem to be related...
#Five Pokémon isn't a small group
#Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...
{{User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page|Hi}} 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::well...
::#they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
::#its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)
::
::'''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ack! You win...{{User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page|Hi}} 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...{{User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page|Hi}} 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Splitting ==

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
::But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== Small group? ==

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with {{m|Magnet Bomb}}, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about {{m|Meteor Mash}} then? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Staryu ==

In Generation III, [[Staryu]] was the only Pokemon who could learn [[Camouflage (move)|Camouflage]]. [[Mothim]] can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -[[User:TIMMY|TIMMY]]

: Added. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

: Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Skitty ==

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Roselia (Pokémon)

2008-04-12T13:50:11Z

Quick Man: Not trying to make a edit war, but my trivia that was changed needs fixing

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Illumise | next=Gulpin }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Roselia |
jname=ロゼリア |
tmname=Roselia |
image=315Roselia.png |
caption=Artwork from R/S/E |
ndex=315 |
hdex=094 |
sdex=026 |
adex=009 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Poison |
species=Thorn |
height-ftin=1′00″ |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=4.4 |
weight-kg=2.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Natural Cure |
ability2=Poison Point |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Fairy |
egggroup2=Plant |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 SpA |
expyield=152 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
catchrate=150 |
color=Green |
pokefordex=roselia |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Roselia''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ロゼリア ''Roselia'') is a {{2t|Grass|Poison}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Roselia seems to share physical traits with both {{p|Gardevoir}} and {{p|Jumpluff}}. However, Roselia is only directly related to {{p|Budew}} and {{p|Roserade}}.

Roselia is a small Pokémon with a light green body. Roselia has a leaf skirt and holds a rose on each of its hands. Roselia has three thorns on top of its head. Roselia are normally 12 inches tall, but on rare occasions they grow up to the [[Drew's Roselia|size of a human child]].
===Gender differences===
A male Roselia has a shorter skirt than a female.

===Special abilities===
Roselia normally fire sharp thorns (either {{m|Poison Sting}} or {{m|Pin Missile}}, but the latter of the two rarely occurs) as a first offense, usually at wild Pokémon who try to steal its flowers. Roselia are also capable of launching some Powder-based moves to either inflict status problems on its foes ({{m|Sleep Powder}}, {{m|Stun Spore}}, {{m|PoisonPowder}} or {{m|Sweet Scent}}) or to heal the status problems of itself and its allies ({{m|Aromatherapy}}). Roselia are also capable of knowing {{m|Petal Dance}}. Like most Grass-type Pokémon, Roselia can take in sunlight and focus it into a {{m|SolarBeam}}.

==Behavior==
==Habitat==
[[Image:Grassland.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Grassland Pokémon|Grassland Pokémon]]]]

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

Roselia usually drink nutrient-rich spring water. Since Roselia is a plant-based Pokémon, it also nourishes itself through [[wp:photosynthesis|photosynthesis]].

=In the anime=
[[Image:Drew_roselia.jpg|thumb|right|[[Drew's Roselia]]]]
Roselia is the signature Pokémon of [[Drew]]. [[Drew's Roselia|Roselia]] was first seen under his ownership in ''[[AG033|Now'' That's ''Flower Power]]'' and has been used in many [[Pokémon Contest]]s since.

Victoria of the [[Winstrate Family]] owns a Roselia which she used in a battle against May in ''[[AG046|Candid Camerupt]]''.

At the end of ''[[DP004|Dawn of a New Era]]'', [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]] challenged [[Nando]] to a Pokémon battle. Nando's Budew evolved into [[Nando's Roselia|a Roselia]] while battling [[Ash's Pikachu]], but Pikachu still won.

Nando and his Roselia appear once more in ''[[DP036|The Sinnoh Space-Time Legend!]]''.

=In the manga=
[[Wally]] caught a Roselia on Route 117. It's so small that Wally carries it in his pocket.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Roselia (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=grass
|gen=3
|rubydex=Roselia shoots sharp thorns as projectiles at any opponent that tries to steal the flowers on its arms. The aroma of this Pokémon brings serenity to living things.
|sapphiredex=On extremely rare occasions, a Roselia is said to appear with its flowers in [[Alternate coloration|unusual colors]]. The thorns on this Pokémon's head contain a vicious poison.
|emeralddex=A Roselia that drinks nutritionally rich springwater blooms with lovely flowers. The fragrance of its flowers has the effect of making its foes careless.
|firereddex=Its flowers give off a relaxing fragrance. The stronger its aroma, the healthier the Roselia is.
|leafgreendex=Its flowers give off a relaxing fragrance. The stronger its aroma, the healthier the Roselia is.
|diamonddex=Roselia raised on clean drinking water are known to grow vividly colored flowers.
|pearldex=The beautiful flowers on its arms have toxic thorns. Don't even think about picking those flowers.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=grass |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Common |
rsarea=[[Route 117]] |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Phenac City]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dprarity=Common |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|212}}, {{rtn|221}}, {{rtn|224}}, {{rtn|225}}, and {{rtn|229}}, [[Trophy Garden]], [[Great Marsh]] |
palarea=Field |
}}
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Plains
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Train Endless Level 6 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Uproar Forest]] (4F-7F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[Vien Forest]]
|}

Roselia will not appear in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team until a rescue mission involving it has been completed, using the following Wonder Mail code:
:F ? 4 N + W T ? ? + 6 N
:F R ? J F ? 6 6 8 5 ? W
:Objective: Rescue Roselia on floor 2 of [[Tiny Woods]].

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=50 |
Attack=60 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk=100 |
SpDef=80 |
Speed=65 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Roselia}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Level || [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| Start || '''{{M|Absorb}}''' || '''{{M|Absorb}}'''
|-
| 4 || || {{M|Growth}}
|-
| 5 || {{M|Growth}} ||
|-
| 7 || || '''{{M|Poison Sting}}'''
|-
| 9 || '''{{M|Poison Sting}}''' ||
|-
| 10 || || {{M|Stun Spore}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Stun Spore}} || '''{{M|Mega Drain}}'''
|-
| 16 || || {{M|Leech Seed}}
|-
| 17 || '''{{M|Mega Drain}}''' ||
|-
| 19 || || '''{{M|Magical Leaf}}'''
|-
| 21 || {{M|Leech Seed}} ||
|-
| 22 || || {{M|GrassWhistle}}
|-
| 25 || '''{{M|Magical Leaf}}''' || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}'''
|-
| 28 || || {{M|Toxic Spikes}}
|-
| 29 || {{M|GrassWhistle}} ||
|-
| 31 || || {{M|Sweet Scent}}
|-
| 33 || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}''' ||
|-
| 34 || || {{M|Ingrain}}
|-
| 37 || {{M|Sweet Scent}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| 40 || || '''{{M|Petal Dance}}'''
|-
| 41 || {{M|Ingrain}} ||
|-
| 43 || || {{M|Aromatherapy}}
|-
| 45 || {{M|Toxic}} ||
|-
| 46 || || {{M|Synthesis}}
|-
| 49 || '''{{M|Petal Dance}}''' ||
|-
| 53 || {{M|Aromatherapy}} ||
|-
| 57 || {{M|Synthesis}} ||
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! # || [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}}
|-
| TM09 || '''{{M|Bullet Seed}}''' || '''{{M|Bullet Seed}}'''
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM17 || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM19 || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}''' || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}'''
|-
| TM21 || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM22 || '''{{M|SolarBeam}}''' || '''{{M|SolarBeam}}'''
|-
| TM27 || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM30 || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM36 || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}'''
|-
| TM42 || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM53 || || '''{{m|Energy Ball}}
|-
| TM58 || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM70 || || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM75 || || {{M|Swords Dance}}
|-
| TM77 || || {{M|Psych Up}}
|-
| TM78 || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM84 || || '''{{M|Poison Jab}}'''
|-
| TM86 || || '''{{M|Grass Knot}}'''
|-
| TM87 || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM01 || {{M|Cut}} || {{M|Cut}}
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}}
|}

===By [[breeding]]===
*{{m|Cotton Spore}}
*'''{{m|Leaf Storm}}'''
*{{m|Mind Reader}}
*{{m|Pin Missile}}
*'''{{m|Razor Leaf}}'''
*{{m|Sleep Powder}}
*{{m|Spikes}}
*{{m|Synthesis}}

===By tutoring===

===Special moves===
In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Roselia knows {{m|Shadow Shed}} and {{m|Shadow Wave}} as a [[Shadow Pokémon]], and learns {{m|Sweet Kiss}} after being [[Purification|purified]].

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=grass |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7% |
area=Beau Plains |
P1= Let the aroma of my flowers relax you. |
P2= I'm not pleased to see my HP is down by half. |
P3= I can't take this... I'm out of fragrance and strength... |
PL= I've leveled up! But relax! Relax! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Baby|
image=406.png |
name=Budew }}
|
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Happiness (Day) |
image=315.png |
name=Roselia }}
|
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Shiny Stone |
image=407.png |
name=Roserade }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
gen=3|
gender=both|
ndex=315|
name=Roselia|
}}

=Trivia=
*Roselia is the first Pokémon to receive both [[Budew (Pokémon)|a pre-evolution]] and [[Roserade (Pokémon)|an evolution]] in the same generation. Other Pokémon that received both, though not in the same generation, are {{p|Chansey}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}}.
*Roselia is also the only one of the above Pokemon that the original one isn't from [[Generation I]] and the only one to get them both in the same Generation.
==Origin==
Roselia are based on [[wp:rose bush|rose bushes]].
===Name origin===
Roselia's name is based on ''[[wp:rose|rose]]'' and perhaps ''[[wp:azalea|azalea]]'', or more likely ''[[wp:buddleia|buddleia]]''.
==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Roselia
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Roselia
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 로젤리아 ''Rozellia''

=Related articles=
* [[Drew's Roselia]]
* [[Nando's Roselia]]

=External links=
* [[wp:Roselia|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Illumise | next=Gulpin }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Roselia]]
[[ja:ロゼリア]]
[[Category:Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve by evolutionary stone]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve using Shiny Stone]]

[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Roselia (pokémon)]]

Roselia (Pokémon)

2008-04-12T13:25:56Z

Quick Man: Duh duh duh...TRIVIA!!!!

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Illumise | next=Gulpin }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Roselia |
jname=ロゼリア |
tmname=Roselia |
image=315Roselia.png |
caption=Artwork from R/S/E |
ndex=315 |
hdex=094 |
sdex=026 |
adex=009 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Poison |
species=Thorn |
height-ftin=1′00″ |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=4.4 |
weight-kg=2.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Natural Cure |
ability2=Poison Point |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Fairy |
egggroup2=Plant |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 SpA |
expyield=152 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
catchrate=150 |
color=Green |
pokefordex=roselia |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Roselia''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ロゼリア ''Roselia'') is a {{2t|Grass|Poison}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Roselia seems to share physical traits with both {{p|Gardevoir}} and {{p|Jumpluff}}. However, Roselia is only directly related to {{p|Budew}} and {{p|Roserade}}.

Roselia is a small Pokémon with a light green body. Roselia has a leaf skirt and holds a rose on each of its hands. Roselia has three thorns on top of its head. Roselia are normally 12 inches tall, but on rare occasions they grow up to the [[Drew's Roselia|size of a human child]].
===Gender differences===
A male Roselia has a shorter skirt than a female.

===Special abilities===
Roselia normally fire sharp thorns (either {{m|Poison Sting}} or {{m|Pin Missile}}, but the latter of the two rarely occurs) as a first offense, usually at wild Pokémon who try to steal its flowers. Roselia are also capable of launching some Powder-based moves to either inflict status problems on its foes ({{m|Sleep Powder}}, {{m|Stun Spore}}, {{m|PoisonPowder}} or {{m|Sweet Scent}}) or to heal the status problems of itself and its allies ({{m|Aromatherapy}}). Roselia are also capable of knowing {{m|Petal Dance}}. Like most Grass-type Pokémon, Roselia can take in sunlight and focus it into a {{m|SolarBeam}}.

==Behavior==
==Habitat==
[[Image:Grassland.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Grassland Pokémon|Grassland Pokémon]]]]

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

Roselia usually drink nutrient-rich spring water. Since Roselia is a plant-based Pokémon, it also nourishes itself through [[wp:photosynthesis|photosynthesis]].

=In the anime=
[[Image:Drew_roselia.jpg|thumb|right|[[Drew's Roselia]]]]
Roselia is the signature Pokémon of [[Drew]]. [[Drew's Roselia|Roselia]] was first seen under his ownership in ''[[AG033|Now'' That's ''Flower Power]]'' and has been used in many [[Pokémon Contest]]s since.

Victoria of the [[Winstrate Family]] owns a Roselia which she used in a battle against May in ''[[AG046|Candid Camerupt]]''.

At the end of ''[[DP004|Dawn of a New Era]]'', [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]] challenged [[Nando]] to a Pokémon battle. Nando's Budew evolved into [[Nando's Roselia|a Roselia]] while battling [[Ash's Pikachu]], but Pikachu still won.

Nando and his Roselia appear once more in ''[[DP036|The Sinnoh Space-Time Legend!]]''.

=In the manga=
[[Wally]] caught a Roselia on Route 117. It's so small that Wally carries it in his pocket.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Roselia (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=grass
|gen=3
|rubydex=Roselia shoots sharp thorns as projectiles at any opponent that tries to steal the flowers on its arms. The aroma of this Pokémon brings serenity to living things.
|sapphiredex=On extremely rare occasions, a Roselia is said to appear with its flowers in [[Alternate coloration|unusual colors]]. The thorns on this Pokémon's head contain a vicious poison.
|emeralddex=A Roselia that drinks nutritionally rich springwater blooms with lovely flowers. The fragrance of its flowers has the effect of making its foes careless.
|firereddex=Its flowers give off a relaxing fragrance. The stronger its aroma, the healthier the Roselia is.
|leafgreendex=Its flowers give off a relaxing fragrance. The stronger its aroma, the healthier the Roselia is.
|diamonddex=Roselia raised on clean drinking water are known to grow vividly colored flowers.
|pearldex=The beautiful flowers on its arms have toxic thorns. Don't even think about picking those flowers.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=grass |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Common |
rsarea=[[Route 117]] |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Phenac City]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dprarity=Common |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|212}}, {{rtn|221}}, {{rtn|224}}, {{rtn|225}}, and {{rtn|229}}, [[Trophy Garden]], [[Great Marsh]] |
palarea=Field |
}}
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Plains
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Train Endless Level 6 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Uproar Forest]] (4F-7F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[Vien Forest]]
|}

Roselia will not appear in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team until a rescue mission involving it has been completed, using the following Wonder Mail code:
:F ? 4 N + W T ? ? + 6 N
:F R ? J F ? 6 6 8 5 ? W
:Objective: Rescue Roselia on floor 2 of [[Tiny Woods]].

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=50 |
Attack=60 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk=100 |
SpDef=80 |
Speed=65 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Roselia}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Level || [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| Start || '''{{M|Absorb}}''' || '''{{M|Absorb}}'''
|-
| 4 || || {{M|Growth}}
|-
| 5 || {{M|Growth}} ||
|-
| 7 || || '''{{M|Poison Sting}}'''
|-
| 9 || '''{{M|Poison Sting}}''' ||
|-
| 10 || || {{M|Stun Spore}}
|-
| 13 || {{M|Stun Spore}} || '''{{M|Mega Drain}}'''
|-
| 16 || || {{M|Leech Seed}}
|-
| 17 || '''{{M|Mega Drain}}''' ||
|-
| 19 || || '''{{M|Magical Leaf}}'''
|-
| 21 || {{M|Leech Seed}} ||
|-
| 22 || || {{M|GrassWhistle}}
|-
| 25 || '''{{M|Magical Leaf}}''' || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}'''
|-
| 28 || || {{M|Toxic Spikes}}
|-
| 29 || {{M|GrassWhistle}} ||
|-
| 31 || || {{M|Sweet Scent}}
|-
| 33 || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}''' ||
|-
| 34 || || {{M|Ingrain}}
|-
| 37 || {{M|Sweet Scent}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| 40 || || '''{{M|Petal Dance}}'''
|-
| 41 || {{M|Ingrain}} ||
|-
| 43 || || {{M|Aromatherapy}}
|-
| 45 || {{M|Toxic}} ||
|-
| 46 || || {{M|Synthesis}}
|-
| 49 || '''{{M|Petal Dance}}''' ||
|-
| 53 || {{M|Aromatherapy}} ||
|-
| 57 || {{M|Synthesis}} ||
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! # || [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}}
|-
| TM09 || '''{{M|Bullet Seed}}''' || '''{{M|Bullet Seed}}'''
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM17 || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM19 || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}''' || '''{{M|Giga Drain}}'''
|-
| TM21 || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM22 || '''{{M|SolarBeam}}''' || '''{{M|SolarBeam}}'''
|-
| TM27 || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM30 || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM36 || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}'''
|-
| TM42 || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM53 || || '''{{m|Energy Ball}}
|-
| TM58 || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM70 || || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM75 || || {{M|Swords Dance}}
|-
| TM77 || || {{M|Psych Up}}
|-
| TM78 || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM84 || || '''{{M|Poison Jab}}'''
|-
| TM86 || || '''{{M|Grass Knot}}'''
|-
| TM87 || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM01 || {{M|Cut}} || {{M|Cut}}
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}}
|}

===By [[breeding]]===
*{{m|Cotton Spore}}
*'''{{m|Leaf Storm}}'''
*{{m|Mind Reader}}
*{{m|Pin Missile}}
*'''{{m|Razor Leaf}}'''
*{{m|Sleep Powder}}
*{{m|Spikes}}
*{{m|Synthesis}}

===By tutoring===

===Special moves===
In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Roselia knows {{m|Shadow Shed}} and {{m|Shadow Wave}} as a [[Shadow Pokémon]], and learns {{m|Sweet Kiss}} after being [[Purification|purified]].

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=grass |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7% |
area=Beau Plains |
P1= Let the aroma of my flowers relax you. |
P2= I'm not pleased to see my HP is down by half. |
P3= I can't take this... I'm out of fragrance and strength... |
PL= I've leveled up! But relax! Relax! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Baby|
image=406.png |
name=Budew }}
|
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Happiness (Day) |
image=315.png |
name=Roselia }}
|
| rowspan="3" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Shiny Stone |
image=407.png |
name=Roserade }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
gen=3|
gender=both|
ndex=315|
name=Roselia|
}}

=Trivia=
*Roselia is the first Pokémon to receive both [[Budew (Pokémon)|a pre-evolution]] and [[Roserade (Pokémon)|an evolution]] in the same generation. Other Pokémon that received both, though not in the same generation, are {{p|Chansey}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}}.
**Roselia is also the only one of them that the original one isn't a [[Generation I]] pokémon and the only one to get them both in the same Generation
==Origin==
Roselia are based on [[wp:rose bush|rose bushes]].
===Name origin===
Roselia's name is based on ''[[wp:rose|rose]]'' and perhaps ''[[wp:azalea|azalea]]'', or more likely ''[[wp:buddleia|buddleia]]''.
==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Roselia
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Roselia
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 로젤리아 ''Rozellia''

=Related articles=
* [[Drew's Roselia]]
* [[Nando's Roselia]]

=External links=
* [[wp:Roselia|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Illumise | next=Gulpin }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Roselia]]
[[ja:ロゼリア]]
[[Category:Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve by evolutionary stone]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve using Shiny Stone]]

[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Roselia (pokémon)]]

User talk:Fabu-Vinny

2008-04-11T22:53:27Z

Quick Man: /* A little help? */ new section

== Previous discussions ==

* [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny/Archive 2|Archive 2]]

== User Pages ==

is it just me, or did EVERYONE's user pages just get deleted? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:That threw me off for a moment too. Look at what date we've just entered. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::{{tt|Explain|So what if it's April?}} [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 00:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::well, its April 1st in UK. im in U.S. Eastern, so its only 8:30 for me! though, i see everyones date as April 1st, dispite the EST offset....this is either Zhen giving us his opinion on User pages, or a cruel cruel joke. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::...oh, how fun. Fun. Veerrry fun. Bet that over 9000 people are gonna register under something Ph34r related now. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::well, all of the names still exsist, just our user pages dont. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Haha, no, I meant as an April Fools' joke. LOLZ LOOK AT ME I'M THE ORIGINAL PH34R--, stuff like that. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I bet someone is going to say that GSDS is confirmed... [[User:Darkmaster0]] P.S. Can't find signature without user page :(
:well, you arent supposed to be using sig templates anyway, its against the new rules. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::But why are the userpages gone? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 01:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::April Fools, assumingly. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm sure they'll be back in around five hours. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] | [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]] 19:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

::::The big question is whether we'll be able to edit them when they come back. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 23:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Favor. ==

Can you move Glitch Adam to [[User:Glitch Adam]]? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:Oh, and would you delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::I already saw it in the recent changes. I would have done that without prodding. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Sorry. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I removed the link to ''Glitch Adam'' so that it wouldn't soon appear as a wanted page. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== A little help? ==

I try to make a Fan Fic but whenever I try to, it says that I don't have permission to edit the User: namespace!--[[Image:Ani459MS.gif|459]][[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|107]] 22:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Lucario (Pokémon)

2008-04-11T19:07:07Z

Quick Man:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Riolu | next=Hippopotas }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Lucario |
jname=ルカリオ |
tmname=Lucario |
image=Art-Lucario.jpg |
caption=Artwork from Diamond/Pearl |
ndex=448 |
sdex=116 |
typen=2 |
type1=Fighting |
type2=Steel |
species=Aura |
height-ftin=3′11″ |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=119.0 |
weight-kg=54.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Steadfast |
ability2=Inner Focus |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Ground |
egggroup2=Humanshape |
hatchsteps=6,400 |
effortyield=1 Atk, 1 SpA |
expyield=204 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=12.5 |
male=87.5 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
pokefordex= |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Lucario''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ルカリオ''' ''Lucario'') is a {{2t|Fighting|Steel}}-type Pokémon.

Lucario evolves from {{p|Riolu}} by leveling up during the day if its [[Happiness]] has reached a certain point.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Lucario is a bipedal, jackal-like Pokémon that's around four feet in height. Lucario's forepaws are now black and the rounded bumps on the back are now pointed spikes. In addition, there's a third spike on Lucario's chest. Lucario's snout and ears have also grown longer since its evolution from {{p|Riolu}}. Lucario also now has a yellow torso.
===Gender differences===
None.
===Special abilities===
Lucario are sensitive to a special type of energy called [[aura]]. Lucario can study these waves to predict the movements of their opponents, and use them to track anyone. They can also guide the waves offensively to create explosive balls of aura energy (such as {{m|Aura Sphere}}, one of only two non-legendaries to learn that move). Lucario are also able understand human speech; some people say that Lucario can also speak it, though only [[Lucario (anime)|one]] has reportedly done so.

==Behavior==
==Habitat==
Lucario usually live deep in mountains far from people to improve their skills.

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

The Lucario in ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'' was shown eating berries and was introduced to chocolate by Max.

=In the anime=
[[Image:M08_0037.jpg|thumb|right|Lucario in the anime]]
In the Pokémon movie ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', {{an|Lucario}} is considered a legend from olden times to the town where it appears in front of [[Ash Ketchum]] and his friends.

Lucario also makes a cameo in the theme songs {{so|Battle Frontier}} and [[Together]].

{{TP|Maylene|Lucario}}'s first appearance in an actual episode was in [[DP066]], under the ownership of [[Maylene]].
 

=In the manga=
In the [[Pokémon Special]] manga, like in games, it appears under the ownership of [[Riley]]

=In the TCG=
{{main|Lucario (TCG)}}

=Other appearances=

===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
[[Image:Lucario Brawl.jpg|140px|thumb|right|Lucario in Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]
Lucario is a playable character. It is unlocked by encountering it in [[The Subspace Emissary]] either from choosing it to battle and claim victory over Meta Knight or vice-versa. It can also be unlocked by playing 100 brawls or beating Target Smash!! on all difficulty levels (in either 1 or 2-player modes).

Lucario's fighting style revolves around aura manipulation and the concept of "high risk, high return"; the more damage Lucario has taken, the more it can deal.

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Standard Special Move !! Side Special Move !! Up Special Move !! Down Special Move !! Final Smash
|-
||
{{m|Aura Sphere}}
||
{{m|Force Palm}}
||
{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}
||
{{m|Double Team}}
||
[[Final Smash#Aura Storm|Aura Storm]]
|}

====[[wp:Metal Gear|Codec]] information (on Shadow Moses Island)====
*'''[[wp:List of recurring Metal Gear characters#Mei Ling|Mei Ling]]:''' ''"You're fighting Lucario, aren't you, Snake?"''
*'''[[wp:Solid Snake|Solid Snake]]:''' ''"Mei Ling, what's that purple fire coming out of his hands??"''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"That's his '[[Aura]].'"''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"Aura?"''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"I guess you could call it his life force. Lucario can use his own Aura and turn it into power. Every time Lucario's damage increases, his Aura gains strength, making his [[moves|attacks]] more powerful. So don't think you've got him beat just because his health is down."''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"The cornered rat will bite the cat... Sounds like trouble."''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"Hey! When did you become so good with [[wp:chinese proverbs|proverbs?!]]"''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"You must have rubbed off on me."''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"Well, come back in one piece, and I'll teach you all the Chinese proverbs you can handle."''

===Trophy information===
====Classic Mode: Lucario====
An Aura Pokémon. It can track energy called Aura, which is given off by all living creatures. It's a unique combination of both Fighting- and Steel-types. Lucario evolves from Riolu during the day if its happiness has reached a certain point. It specializes in attacks that use Aura energy, like Dark Pulse and a can't-miss technique, Aura Sphere.

====All-Star Mode: Aura Storm====
Lucario's Final Smash. After flying off the screen, Lucario reappears in its center. It then launches a powerful Aura attack against all foes within a certain distance. The key to this attack is the ability to change its angle--it's a must to sweep slowly left and right to his selected enemies multiple times. The last blow will send the victim flying away.

 

=Game data=
==NPC appearances==
*[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Lucario is seen as the greatest rescue leader of all time, and his adventures have become legendary. While the player never meets Lucario, {{p|Alakazam}} tells the player that his goal is to become closer to Lucario's greatness. Earning 15,000 Rescue Points will put the player in the top [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|rank]] - the Lucario rank - at which point the Lucario statue will be displayed outside the rescue base.

==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=fighting
|gen=4
|diamonddex= It has the ability to sense the [[aura]]s of all things. It understands human speech.
|pearldex=By catching the aura emanating from others, it can read their thoughts and movements.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=fighting |
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Riolu}} |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[Almia Castle]] (during mission)
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=70 |
Attack=110 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk=115 |
SpDef=70 |
Speed=90 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP type effectiveness|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 25 |
Bug= 25 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 25 }}

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Lucario}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #{{fighting color}}; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{steel color}};"
! [[Level|Lv.]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| rowspan="5" | Start || {{M|Quick Attack}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Foresight}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| {{M|Detect}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| '''{{M|Metal Claw}}''' || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Dark Pulse}} || {{ic|Dark}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 6 || {{M|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 11 || '''{{M|Force Palm}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 15 || {{M|Feint}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 19 || {{M|Bone Rush}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 24 || {{M|Metal Sound}} || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 29 || {{M|Me First}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 33 || {{M|Swords Dance}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 37 || '''{{M|Aura Sphere}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 42 || '''{{M|Close Combat}}''' || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 47 || {{M|Dragon Pulse}} || {{ic|Dragon}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 51 || {{M|ExtremeSpeed}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|}

===By TM/HM===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! # || [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM01 || '''{{m|Focus Punch}}'''
|-
| TM03 || {{m|Water Pulse}}
|-
| TM04 || {{m|Calm Mind}}
|-
| TM05 || {{m|Roar}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}}
|-
| TM08 || {{m|Bulk Up}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{m|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM15 || {{m|Hyper Beam}}
|-
| TM17 || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 || {{m|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM21 || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM23 || '''{{m|Iron Tail}}'''
|-
| TM26 || {{m|Earthquake}}
|-
| TM27 || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM28 || {{m|Dig}}
|-
| TM29 || {{m|Psychic}}
|-
| TM30 || {{m|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM31 || '''{{m|Brick Break}}'''
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}}
|-
| TM39 || {{m|Rock Tomb}}
|-
| TM42 || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || {{m|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{m|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{m|Attract}}
|-
| TM52 || '''{{m|Focus Blast}}'''
|-
| TM56 || {{m|Fling}}
|-
| TM58 || {{m|Endure}}
|-
| TM59 || {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
|-
| TM60 || '''{{m|Drain Punch}}'''
|-
| TM65 || {{m|Shadow Claw}}
|-
| TM66 || {{m|Payback}}
|-
| TM68 || {{m|Giga Impact}}
|-
| TM71 || {{m|Stone Edge}}
|-
| TM75 || {{m|Swords Dance}}
|-
| TM78 || {{m|Captivate}}
|-
| TM79 || {{m|Dark Pulse}}
|-
| TM80 || {{m|Rock Slide}}
|-
| TM82 || {{m|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || {{m|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM84 || {{m|Poison Jab}}
|-
| TM87 || {{m|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || {{m|Substitute}}
|-
| TM91 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'''
|-
| HM04 || {{m|Strength}}
|-
| HM06 || '''{{m|Rock Smash}}'''
|-
| HM08 || {{m|Rock Climb}}
|}

===By [[breeding]]===
*{{M|Agility}}
*{{M|Bite}}
*{{M|Blaze Kick}}
*'''{{M|Bullet Punch}}'''
*'''{{M|Cross Chop}}'''
*{{M|Crunch}}
*{{M|Detect}}
*'''{{M|Hi Jump Kick}}'''
*{{M|Iron Defense}}
*'''{{M|Low Kick}}'''
*{{M|Mind Reader}}
*'''{{M|Sky Uppercut}}'''
*'''{{M|Vacuum Wave}}'''

===By [[move tutor|tutoring]]===

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Baby |
image=447.png |
name=Riolu }}
|{{EvoChart Box|
text=Happiness (Day) |
image=448.png |
name=Lucario }}
|}

==Sprite==
{{Sprite|
type=fighting|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=448|
name=Lucario|
animated=1|
}}

=Trivia=
* Lucario's English name was revealed on February 9, 2006, when the title for the movie [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]] was announced.
* Before [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] were released, many believed Lucario to be a [[legendary Pokémon]], based on its starring role in [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]. This has since been proven untrue, as it is readily available in the [[Generation IV]] games, and even evolves from a Pokémon, {{p|Riolu}}.
* This makes it the first non-legendary Pokémon to be in a central role in a Pokémon movie.
* Lucario is the only Pokémon other than the {{p|Cubone}} [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary family]] to learn {{m2|Bone Rush|a bone-based}} [[move|attack]].
* Lucario is one of three Pokémon on the player's team in the demo version of {{g|Diamond and Pearl}}.
* Lucario is the first {{type2|Fighting}} Pokémon to be a fighter in the [[Super Smash Bros.]] series. On another note, Lucario is the first playable Pokémon to speak. However, in the Japanese version of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], {{p|Mewtwo}} can communicate in its victory poses.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] combination as Lucario.
* Three important non-playable characters of the [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl games]] own a Lucario: [[Maylene]], [[Riley]], and [[Cynthia]].
* In [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]], Lucario is the only 1 out of 3 gaurdians of the drops that is '''Not''' a legendary.

==Origin==
Lucario appears to be based on the Egyptian god {{wp|Anubis}}, who has the head of a {{wp|jackal}}. It also seems to be based on an Egyptian boxer. {{wp|Boxing}} is a sport that is believed to have origins in Egypt. The black appendages on the back of its head are used to detect the auras of creatures and objects around it. While Lucario reads aura, it closes its eyes, and thus the appendages and the way they look "tied" around its face appear to be based on someone being blindfolded.

===Name origin===
Lucario's name may be ''orikaru'' said syllabicly-backwards, which is Japanese for ''{{wp|oracle}}''. It may also be a reference to Cairo, Egypt. The "lu" may come from "lupine," meaning "wolf," in reference to its canine-like appearance.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Lucario
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Lucario
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 루카리오 ''Lucario''

=Related articles=
* [[Sir Aaron]]
* [[Lucario (anime)]]
* [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]
* [[Maylene's Lucario]]

=External links=
* [[wp:Lucario|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://shadow.beautiful-beast.net/rukario/ Wave Guiding Hero], the fanlisting for Lucario at [[wp:The Anime Fanlistings Network|The Anime Fanlistings Network]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Riolu | next=Hippopotas }}

{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Lucario]]
[[fr:Lucario]]
[[ja:ルカリオ]]
[[pt:Lucario (pokémon)]]

Ever Grande City

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Quick Man:

{{Infobox town
|town=Ever Grande City
|characters=サイユウシティ
|japanese=Saiyū City
|image=EverGrande City.png
|slogan=The Paradise of Flowers, the Sea, and [[Pokémon]]!
|region=Hoenn
|routes=[[Route 128]] (West)
|bottom=league
|elite1=[[Sidney]]
|elite2=[[Phoebe]]
|elite3=[[Glacia]]
|elite4=[[Drake (Elite Four)|Drake]]
|champ=[[Steven Stone|Steven]][[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|*]]/[[Wallace]][[Pokémon Emerald|*]]
|map=EverGrandemap.PNG
|colordark=FF7500
|colorlight=FFA500
}}

'''Ever Grande City''' (Japanese: '''サイユウシティ''' ''Saiyū City'') is located on an island in eastern [[Hoenn]]. The island's motto is "The Paradise of Flowers, the Sea, and [[Pokémon]]". The southern side of the island is blanketed in flowers.

=In the games=

[[Pokémon trainer]]s come here to battle the [[Elite Four]] of Hoenn after earning eight [[Gym]] [[Badge]]s.

With its steep cliffs, it is impossible to reach the city itself without possessing a [[Pokémon]] able to scale the high waterfall on the southern end of the city. High above the ocean, its slopes are lush with grass and flowers. The island is bisected by Hoenn's [[Victory Road (Hoenn)|Victory Road]], which runs through a large mountain in the center of the island.

Due to the difficulty of traversing Victory Road, only the toughest trainers will reach the northern end of the tunnel, and thus the [[Pokémon League]] and Elite Four.

There are two [[Pokémon Center]]s on the island, in the south and in the north. Either can be reached by using {{m|Fly}}.

Southwest of Ever Grande City is [[Route 128]].

In the games, its population is uncertain; it is difficult to differentiate between the trainers passing through the town to challenge the Elite 4, and normal residents.

=In the anime=
[[image:ever-grande-conference.jpg|thumb|left|Ever Grande City in the anime.]]

[[Ash Ketchum]] arrives in Ever Grande City in the episode, ''[[AG125|Like a Meowth to a Flame]]'' and leaves in ''[[AG132|The Scheme Team]]''. While there, he competes in the [[Ever Grande Conference]] and battles his Hoenn rivals, [[Morrison]] and {{ho|Tyson}}.

=Trivia=
*This is they only city to host a Pokémon league in the Games, however, besides the league itself and a Pokémon Center, there are no actual Buildings in there.

{{locationstub}}
 
{{Towns of Hoenn}}
[[Category:Hoenn locations]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]
[[Category:Emerald locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]
[[Category:Battle areas]]
[[Category:Elite Four locations]]

[[de:Prachtpolis City]]
[[ja:サイユウシティ]]

Wallace

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Quick Man:

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Wallace |
jname=ミクリ |
tmname=Mikuri |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="Artist, and lover of water." |
image=[[Image:ChampionWallace.png|150px]] |
caption=Art from Emerald |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Sootopolis City]] |
region=[[Hoenn]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]], [[Pokémon champion|Champion]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation=[[Generation III|III]] |
games=[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Ruby]], [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Sapphire]], [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] |
leader=yes |
gym=Sootopolis Gym |
type=[[Water (type)|Water]] |
badge=Rain Badge |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=DP075 |
epname=DP075 |
enva=Unknown |
java=Unknown
}}

'''Wallace''' (Japanese: '''ミクリ''' ''Mikuri'') is a [[Pokémon master|master]] {{type2|Water}} [[Pokémon trainer|trainer]]. He was once the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Sootopolis City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Sootopolis Gym]], in [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]], wielding the [[Badge#Rain Badge|Rain Badge]]. He was promoted to [[Champion]] of the [[Elite Four]] in [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]]. He is apparently close to [[Steven Stone]], and assists him in the [[Cave of Origin]] quest in Ruby/Sapphire. He was taught by [[Juan]], who takes his place as Gym Leader in Emerald.

==In the anime==
[[Image:EnterContestMasterMikuri!!.jpg‎|thumb|left|Wallace and his {{p|Milotic}}]]
Although Juan was the Sootopolis Gym Leader in the anime, early Japanese artwork shows that Wallace was intended to be in this position before Emerald's release.

Although he never appeared in Hoenn, he will appear in [[DP075]] as a Contest Master in Sinnoh.

===Pokémon===

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:350.png]] {{p|Milotic}}
|}

==In the games==
In Ruby and Sapphire, he runs Sootopolis City Gym. He specializes in Water-type Pokémon. He gives out the Rain Badge as well as {{TM|03|Water Pulse}}. In Emerald, he is the Champion of the Elite Four. He also carries Water Pokémon. [[Juan]] takes his place as the Sootopolis City Gym Leader.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Wallace's Pokémon in the video games in which he has appeared.
====As Gym Leader====

{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:370.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Luvdisc}}
|LV1=Lv. 40
|G1=♀
|HI1=?
|M1P1={{m|Water Pulse}}
|M2P1={{m|Attract}}
|M3P1={{m|Sweet Kiss}}
|M4P1={{m|Flail}}

|#2=[[Image:340.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Whiscash}}
|LV2=Lv. 42
|G2=♂
|HI2=?
|M1P2={{m|Rain Dance}}
|M2P2={{m|Water Pulse}}
|M3P2={{m|Earthquake}}
|M4P2={{m|Amnesia}}

|#3=[[Image:364.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Sealeo}}
|LV3=Lv. 40
|G3=♂
|HI3=?
|M1P3={{m|Encore}}
|M2P3={{m|Body Slam}}
|M3P3={{m|Aurora Beam}}
|M4P3={{m|Water Pulse}}

|#4=[[Image:119.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Seaking}}
|LV4=Lv. 42
|G4=♂
|HI4=?
|M1P4={{m|Water Pulse}}
|M2P4={{m|Rain Dance}}
|M3P4={{m|Fury Attack}}
|M4P4={{m|Horn Drill}}

|#5=[[Image:350.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Milotic}}
|LV5=Lv. 43
|G5=♂
|HI5=?
|M1P5={{m|Water Pulse}}
|M2P5={{m|Twister}}
|M3P5={{m|Recover}}
|M4P5={{m|Ice Beam}}

|#6=
|Poke6=
|LV6=
|G6=
|HI6=
|M1P6=
|M2P6=
|M3P6=
|M4P6=
}}

====As Champion====

{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:321.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Wailord}}
|LV1=Lv. 57
|G1=♂
|HI1=?
|M1P1={{m|Water Spout}}
|M2P1={{m|Blizzard}}
|M3P1={{m|Double-Edge}}
|M4P1={{m|Rain Dance}}

|#2=[[Image:073.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tentacruel}}
|LV2=Lv. 55
|G2=♂
|HI2=?
|M1P2={{m|Hydro Pump}}
|M2P2={{m|Ice Beam}}
|M3P2={{m|Sludge Bomb}}
|M4P2={{m|Toxic}}

|#3=[[Image:272.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Ludicolo}}
|LV3=Lv. 56
|G3=♂
|HI3=?
|M1P3={{m|Surf}}
|M2P3={{m|Giga Drain}}
|M3P3={{m|Leech Seed}}
|M4P3={{m|Double Team}}

|#4=[[Image:130.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Gyarados}}
|LV4=Lv. 56
|G4=♂
|HI4=?
|M1P4={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P4={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P4={{m|Surf}}
|M4P4={{m|Dragon Dance}}

|#5=[[Image:340.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Whiscash}}
|LV5=Lv. 56
|G5=♂
|HI5=?
|M1P5={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P5={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P5={{m|Surf}}
|M4P5={{m|Amnesia}}

|#6=[[Image:350.png]]
|Poke6={{p|Milotic}}
|LV6=Lv. 58
|G6=♂
|HI6=Sitrus Berry
|M1P6={{m|Surf}}
|M2P6={{m|Ice Beam}}
|M3P6={{m|Recover}}
|M4P6={{m|Toxic}}
}}

===Quotes===
====Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire====
''"Allow me to formally introduce myself. I am Wallace. The Gym Leader of Sootopolis. There's something about you... A difference in your demeanor. I think I sense that in you. What happened inside the Cave of Origin, and what you did, I will likely learn through our upcoming battle. Now, show me. Show me the power you wield with your Pokémon. And I, in turn, shall present you with a performance of illusions in water by me and my Pokémon!"''

''"Bravo. I realize now your authenticity and magnificence as a Pokémon Trainer. I find much joy in having met you and your Pokémon. You have proven yourself worthy of the Rain Badge. Accept it."''

====Pokémon Emerald====
''"Welcome, [[player character|<name>]]. That incident in Sootopolis City... That was superb work, putting an end to that crisis all by yourself. Oops! It wouldn't be fair to say that you alone ended the crisis. You overcome that difficult situation by working as one with your Pokémon. We Trainers raise Pokémon by giving them items and by teaching them new techniques for battle. But we ourselves also learn many things from Pokémon. And this is where your achievements are put to the test against what others like you have achieved. Now! Who can most elegantly dance with their Pokémon in Hoenn? Show me right here and now!"''

''"I, the Champion, fall in defeat... That was wonderful work. You were elegant, infuriatingly so. And yet it was utterly glorious! Kudos to you, [[player character|<name>]]! You are a truly noble Pokémon Trainer!"''

''"The Pokémon you sent into battle... At times they danced like a spring breeze, and at times they struck like a lightning. It was with light, yet surefooted, elegance that you led your Pokémon. Even I felt bedazzled by your masterful performance! You now stand at the glorious peak of the Pokémon League. I now proclaim you to be the new Hoenn region... ...[[player character|<name>]]! No, let me rephrase that properly. The new Champion! come with me. I'm sorry, but... From here on, only those Trainers who have become Champions may enter. You'll have to wait outside with Prof. Birch. This room... This is where we keep records of Pokémon that prevailed through harsh battles. It is here that the League Champions are honored. Come on, let's record your name as a Trainer who triumphed over the Pokémon League, and the names of the partners who battled with you."''

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[Image:Wallace.PNG|right|frame|Wallace]]
In [[Pokémon Special]], he is the Sootopolis Gym Leader, in addition to being a [[Pokémon Contests|contest]] master as well as the protector of the [[Cave of Origin]]. Wallace also takes {{Special|Ruby}} under his wing, much like how [[Winona]] did for {{Special|Sapphire}}. Despite having aligned himself with [[Team Aqua]], he has a strong sense of justice, and is the first of the aligned Gym Leaders to renounce his loyalty, convincing [[Winona]] of the [[Team Magma|Magmas]] to do the same.

It was revealed in {{PSV|21}} that Wallace was the Hoenn League Champion who had entered the Hall of Fame. However, he renounced the title as he expressed his wish of following his mentor, [[Juan|Juan's]], footstep of becoming a Gym Leader of his city. According to [[Steven]], what Wallace did not mention to the director of the Pokémon Association is that there is a second reason for his renouncement: He was trying to stay with [[Winona]], the Fortree Gym Leader.

He and [[Winona]] apparently had some sort of relationship in the past, speculated by most fans to have been romantic. Although it is largely unconfirmed whether [[Winona]] still has feelings for him, it is quite obvious that he still has feelings for her, based on the scene where the two say their goodbyes before they leave to fight {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} in {{PSV|20}}.

Wallace regained the title of Champion after Steven had a premonition that he would die in the upcomming battle between Groudon and Kyogre.

Wallace usually travels on an "Air Car", which can travel on both the land and the air. He is also the only [[Hoenn]] Gym Leader who nicknamed his Pokémon.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Wallace's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:364.png]] [[Sealeo (Pokémon)|Francoise]]
| align=center | [[Image:370.png]] [[Luvdisc (Pokémon)|Elizabeth]]
| align=center | [[Image:340.png]] [[Whiscash (Pokémon)|Philipe]]
| align=center | [[Image:119.png]] [[Seaking (Pokémon)|Charles]]
| align=center | [[Image:366.png]] {{p|Clamperl}}*
|}
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Not much is known about Clamperl except it helped Wallace win the title of Hoenn Champion) 

====Released====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:379.png]] {{p|Registeel}}**
|}
<nowiki>**</nowiki>Originally with [[Steven Stone|Steven]]; however, as of Steven's apparent death, Registeel and the other Regis vanished to the mountains, where they have been caught by [[Pyramid King Brandon|Brandon]].

==Trivia==
*Wallace is the only Gym Leader that did not appear in his home region in the anime.
**This also makes him the only Gym Leader that Ash does not fight for a badge in the anmie.
===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
|ミクリ (''Mikuri'')
|''Mi'' is the first syllable of ''mizu'' (water).
|-
|English
|Wallace
|From ''water''.
|-
|French
|Marc
|Possible references to ''mer'', (sea).
|-
|German
|Wassili
|A pun on the word ''Wasser'' (water).
|-
|Italian
|Adriano
|Possible relation to ''Adriatico'', the Adriatic Sea.
|-
|Spanish
|Plubio
|Possible derivation from ''pluvial'' or ''pluvioso'' (pluvial or rainy).
|-
|Korean
|윤석 (''Yunseok'')
|
|-
|Chinese
|米可利 (''Mí Kě Lì'')
|Transliteration of ''Mikuri''.
|}
 
{{Elite Four of Hoenn}}
{{Champions}}
{{Coordinators}}
{{Gym Leaders of Hoenn}}

[[Category:Champions]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Special characters]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Emerald characters]]
[[Category:Water-type trainers]]
[[Category:Anime characters]]

[[de:Wassili]]
[[fr:Marc]]
[[ja:ミクリ]]

Talk:Blizzard (move)

2008-04-03T12:49:42Z

Quick Man: /* Uh... Sheer Cold */ new section

According to [http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gba/combo Pokefor], Blizzard's accuracy raises to 100% during {{m|Hail}}. Can anyone test and confirm this (both in-game and in link battles)? - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 22:15, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll run tests this weekend and see what I come up with. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:57, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

MasamuneXGP confirmed it, nice find Meowth :d - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 10:57, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

== Uh... Sheer Cold ==

Uh yeah, this article says that the strongest Ice attack is Blizzard. Isn't that Sheer Cold? I mean, Sheer Cold is a OHKO if it connects to any pokémon.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|107]] 12:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Rhyhorn (Pokémon)

2008-03-24T17:00:32Z

Quick Man: New section: Don't give me this!

Could anyone find what level or what item evolves Rhyhorn? I know I had one on Pokemon Red but I lost that game about a half a year ago.--[[User:ObsessedMinunFan|ObsessedMinunFan]] 18:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:Prima's Pokédex puts it at level 42. I'm pretty sure I've also seen that level elsewhere. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 20:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"According to interviews with Ken Sugimori, Rhyhorn holds the distinction of being the first Pokémon ever created." 
Could you give a citation for this? I was under the impression that the game was originally designed with the idea of bug catching in mind, which does not seem to fit with this information. [[User:TheGrammarian|TheGrammarian]] 14:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Don't give me this! ==

Have you ever played any of the 3-D Pokemon games? Yeah, Rhyhorn has a tail, a small one, but still does. If anyone has any objections, speak up, but I think that Trivia is false.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Roost (move)

2008-03-22T02:27:37Z

Quick Man: New section: Wait? What!?

== Giratina and Roost ==

I think I was able to teach my Giratina the move Roost using the TM, but until someone confirms this as possible I'm not going to edit the page. --[[User:Mburusu|M.]] [[User talk:Mburusu|Burusu]] 08:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

It isn't possible unless it is hacked... so if you got ove GTS it might be hacked...
{{:User:Crystallucario/Sig}} 12:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Wait? What!? ==

Duxtox and beedrill aren't flying types but can learn roost?! Does not compute! Does NOT compute!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 02:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Theryguy512/Similarities

2008-03-03T22:53:11Z

Quick Man: /* Mega Man */

I noticed you said a normal Jigglypuff is similar to a shiny Jigglypuff
:No, I said a wild Jigglypuff that had green eyes (while they usually have blue) is similar to a shiny Jigglypuff (which has green eyes). {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 14:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh I never noticed.[[User:Pokemon champ|Pokemon champ]] 14:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Jovi and {{shiny|281|50px}} look really similar, too. (Dammit, everything looks similar to Kirlia..) {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Volkner and Naruto? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 19:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Odd how you're comparing Chingling to Tumble, considering that I always thought that it looked more like Pac Man.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

For the record, that guy you compared to Volkner is his dad. [[User:Umber|Umber]] 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:What? [[Palmer]]'s not [[Volkner|Volkner's]] dad, he's [[Lucas (game)|Lucas's]] dad! {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 21:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually that is Palmer, your rivals father --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 21:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Correct, Palmer is Pearl's father. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 11:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Got a few ==

[[Image:AnimeSilver2.jpg|200px]] ---- http://pokemon-safari.com/sitio/imagenes_capitulos/advance-generation/177/169.jpg ---- http://pokemon-safari.com/sitio/imagenes_capitulos/diamond-pearl/015/386.jpg

[[Image:385Jirachi.png]] ---- [[Image:ArtGiratina.png]]

[[Image:335Zangoose.png]] ---- http://www.dragonwiles.com/SevenPicts/Inuyasha-tachi/Inuyasha.jpg

[[Image:Art-Nyarmar.png]] ---- http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b7/190px-Blaze06.png

[[Image:260Swampert.png]] ---- http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/10140/images/big.jpg

[[Image:039Jigglypuff.png]] ---- http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/amyrose/images/chara_amy.gif

[[Image:ArtRentorer.jpg]] ---- http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/shadow/images/chara_shadow.gif

[[Image:ArtDainose.png]] ---- http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/eggman/images/chara_eggman.gif

[[Image:Natane anime.jpg]] ---- http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/95/230px-Judai_GX.jpg

[[Image:Marissa.jpg]] ---- http://www.limebarb.com/commissions/costumes/anime/anime-chibi-usa/char-chibiusa-sm.jpg

What do you think? --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 05:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:OH YEAH, and...
:[[Image:Tracey.jpg|200px]] ---- [[Image:Tad_anime.jpg|200px]]
:--[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 05:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:WOW! Thanks! When I get home from school, I'll put them on. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:K, I'll put them on now. It looks like you compare them to Sonic people.....I usually go with Mario characters. Oh, I can't see the pic you're comparing Swampert to, but I see that it says ''Big''.......is it Big the Cat....yea, I play Sonic too lol. TTEhcinda also. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 21:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Man... Unfair. I can't see the image next to Swampert...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 22:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:LoL Yea, I have to do this strange thing to see it. Don't worry, I'm getting a different picture of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 22:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:No prob. I have more ideas but I don't want to make your talk page too big. Also I noticed your comparison to Butterfree and Venonat. It looks like Venonat should be the pre-evolved form of Butterfree. Also Caterpie and Venomoth's eyes look similar. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 02:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== Help ==
If anybody could help me with this, that'll be great. Okay, well I'm trying to get the robot-skull-pirate picture from [http://blogs.vandal.net/6903/tag/sonic this page (it's like the last picture on the page)] onto my similarities page. Does anybody know how to do that? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 23:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Upload it?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::LOL No. I've uploaded like 20 pesonal pictures already......we're really only supposed to upload two.....{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 23:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::How bout me. I think I only uploaded one personal picture.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Are you gonna reply?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::......It's been six minutes and you're yelling at me for not replying? You're starting to sound like my girdfriends lol. Anyway, if you want to, I guess you can. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 23:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::...And one more thing, please do something about Bulbmond's sig. The limit is 32-32 pixels and he has two 80-80 pixels.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Um, I can't do anymore than you can......But I will alert and admin about it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 23:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
TADA!!!!!!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Creepypiratething.png]]

== <(^,^<) ==
I like Kirby stuff, so I got a few:

[[Image:155.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/games/squeaksquad/enemies/acchi2.gif

An enemy from [[wp:Kirby Squeak Squad|Kirby Squeak Squad]] called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Acchi Acchi],

[[Image:047.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/images/d/df/Cappy.gif

An enemy from many of the Kirby games called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Cappy_(Games) Cappy],

[[Image:224.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/images/c/ca/Flotzo.gif

An enemy from some of the Kirby games called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Flotzo Flotzo],

[[Image:051.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/images/d/db/Gansan.jpg

An enemy from some of the Kirby games called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Gansan Gansan],

[[Image:076.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/images/d/dc/Golem.jpg

An enemy from [[wp:Kirby and the Amazing Mirror|Kirby and the Amazing Mirror]] called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Golem Golem] (that's appropriate),

[[Image:138.png|120px]] → http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/images/b/bf/Mony.jpg

and an enemy from [[wp:Kirby's Dream Land 3|Kirby's Dream Land 3]] called [http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kirbypedia/index.php/Mony Mony].

Whaddya think? {{:User:Stinkoman/Sig}}
:WOW!!! Nice Work! We've got Sonic, Mario, and now Kirby! Gotta tell TTechidna about this.....{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 20:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== How about these two ==

[[Image:238Smoochum.png]] ---- [[Image:Pochama.jpg]]

I don't know, I think they look a like for some reason. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mega Man ==

Merely Star Force...one of these got kicked off the Rayquza page...:)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Wiki-starforcebox.jpg ← [[Image:244Entei.png]]
::::::↑ [[Image:384Rayquaza.png]]

Oh, and Mega Man sure looks like [[Image:Spr 4d 475 s.png]]. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|07:56 1 Mar 2008}}}'''

http://EHkubTcwu-OzxM.20fr.com/quick.jpg =My Username XD

Okay, sorry, Now to get seroius!

http://onicwhammy.20fr.com/toad.jpg = http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/a/a4/186Politoed.png/140px-186Politoed.png

[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 22:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== What the? ==

Heh, alot has changed since I have last been here. If you can't show an image and can't upload it since you have uploaded too many, you can ask me{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 21:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks dude, but I think I'm good for now. Remember to keep submitting ideas! {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 21:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well I probably won't be. I don't have that many good ideas. Plus, I'm too busy watching The Rise of Darkrai (I recorded it on DVR ^^ I am so glad I got rid of DirecTV){{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 22:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well I'll also be away for this for a little. I'm working on my [[User:Theryguy512/Genders|my anime genders thing]], and at midnight Saturday-Sunday I'm getting [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]], so this will be inactive. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Haha, lol. You a major smash-player like MAGNEDETH?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 22:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-02-02T00:31:17Z

Quick Man: /* Magikarp */

== Questions ==
I have a few questions about Red.

1. Does Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard have the ability to pick up poke-balls?

2. Will he have difeerent colored clothing (if you can change colors) or will he be a different trainer? (Like Brendan or Lukas).

These are the questions that haunt me....
:1. Obviously, Red's Pokémon will be able to pick up all the items.
:2. We don't know how costume changes will be implemented yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
they might just make them into shinies
:Highly unlikely, but hey, we can hope. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Special moves ==

Okay, some of the B moves have been revealed. So how should we do this? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I dislike the way the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] article does it. This is a good opportunity for our [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|style editors]] to have a look at it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Soooo... should I ask someone for an overhaul or advice? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Guest Pokémon ==

In one of the videos of the demo version, Electivire can be clearly seen in the background of the electric version of PS2. Since there is no doubt if Electivire is in the background, please do not remove this information. If you need a source, I'll try to find the video. [[User:Deoxys911|Deoxys911]] 19:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Find the video! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or a picture at least. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... They tell me Electivire is on a GamePro video, in case anybody wants to investigate. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you find the video and tell me the name of the site that I can find it on? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== {{p|Torchic}} ==
What attack does Torchic use? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I thik it's Heat wave. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Cover==

I don't think thats the real cover. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was on Nintendo's press site so it's not likely to be fake. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proof for Entei ==

Entei can be seen in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZjBNfJXw5U this video]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

People swear both Latios and Latias are in the game as expected. I'm sure there are more videos that show them, but the only one I have seen is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo this one]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fake two me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::=-? Why doubting Latios and Latias when you know it's their turn to appear? My only question is what are their moves supposed to be and whether they come from their own Poké Balls. If somebody knows the answer, then add them to the article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]]

:I think Gardevoir might be confirmed too. That... whitish thing walking around. I could swear that's Gardevoir, but meh. (anywhoo, favorite Pokeymanz semi-confirmed?! Do want!) Oh well - if it is fake (I haven't played the games, to be honest..) oh well. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::^_^ True, that's indeed Gardevoir. I don't know what is it doing, though. From what I've heard, it protects its Trainer inside that psychic ball. A Light Screen? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It kinda looks real. I may have been filmed at E3 or something like that --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_for_All E for All], the spiritual successor of the open-to-all-public E3. Gardevoir was also spotted in [http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/RainXion/20216_n20071010_18_smashx_02.jpg this picture]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Yea, Gardevoir is pretty safe to say confirmed. But as for Entei, I think that the videa is fake. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Now, I couldn't find Entei.. because I was reading Mr. Resetti's text. We should put down Gardevoir as confirmed, or atleast semi-confirmed. (It'd be rockin' to have Gardevoir as a playable char, yknow... :o) I think the attack it uses is either {{m|Protect}}, {{m|Light Screen}} or {{m|Reflect}}. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 19:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::Umm thaaats just a formless blur, it isnt comfirmed at all! [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::: It has been confirmed by people who have actually played the demo, such as in the link I posted below. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Just because it isn't reported by the site, doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY not confirmed. Come on guys. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::yeah nevermind sorry I just had to watch the video, the picture is just a mad image though. [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually only Latios was seen in the E for All video, Latias hasn't been mentioned yet.

OK that makes more sence. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Princess peach ==

I heard a rumor that Princess peach is making a guest appearance in and upcoming episode of Pokémon.
If that's true whether she be added to this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:That rumour is completely false. But even if she did appear, she would still count as a product of the Mario universe so not be worth mentioning on this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then

== Excuse me... ==

How can it be Latias and Latios!? Only one Pokémon can come out of a Pokéball! [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:This game can ignore that little detail for the sake of gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I never read that update in the DOjo. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was not a Dojo update, but a gameplay video made by fans. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

::I could have sworn at some point in the anime 2 Pokemon could be in one Pokeball. I mean, you can put food in there, and even other Pokeballs. I don't see why not. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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Excuse my rudeness, but don't Mantine (with Remoraid), Slowbro and Slowking (both with Shellder) kind of disprove the "one Pokemon per ball" thing?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Not really. The Pokémon that are attached don't really do anything - thus, it's really just "okay, whatever". {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wailord? ==
At the bottom of http://www.zeldawiki.org/Pok%C3%A9_Ball , they say {{p|Wailord}} is going to be a Poké Ball Pokémon. Anyone have any other proff? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard it was a stage. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I'll look into that... --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've had a look around and [http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml this article] mentions a blue whale in the demo but it could be Kyogre. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Wait. I think they '''''thought''''' was Wailord, but as shown on a video on the offical Brawl Website, it's Kyogre. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
Someone put up Bonsly as a Pokemon and gave the Boomb om desperation. We should problay lock this page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the need to lock the article at this time. It isn't suffering from vandalism and it's certainly useful to keep it open in case the Dojo has a Pokémon update.
:Anyway, you can see Bonsly at the beginning of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UNOL28vUkg this video]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I see no Bonsly. I do see a Chaos Emerald [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:I saw it, but it was extremely small. Maybe you should slow it down? [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
If you say so but it's mean doing that to Bonsly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's Bonsly. Pause it on the first second and look to the left of the box on the stage. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK what ever. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonsly dos not exploid. It said so on the Dojo [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 08:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:More correctly, "the Dojo doesn't say Bonsly explodes". Man, you haven't said anything accurate in all this Bonsly talk. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If he exploded don't you think they would have said so, maybe the Bonsly stepped on a MSB or a Gooie Boomb. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, maybe if he isn't picked up, it'll explode??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thas a Bob-om. At least I am traying to help [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude is says on serebii all about it even has a crystal clear photo and it shows what it does...--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Serbil gets it's info form the Dojo. Just Saying. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BONSLY AT THE DOJO! Very heavy yet Brock can hold it.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, size and weight are pretty screwed up in the anime, so...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::According to the Pokédex, Bonsly are only about 33 pounds. Not overly heavy, actually. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a bit much to be constantly carrying around. It'd certainly suck to have someone throw a 30-pound rock at you, in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Mabie this Bonsly eats donuts. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Given that Bonsly didn't go up on the dojo until shortly before Cerberus made that comment, why is such a big deal being made about it? The article reflects the dojo now. Go find something more relevant to discuss. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hay, what do I have to do with Bonsly? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆

== Electivire ==
Can I have the proof that Electivire is in the game? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Nope. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've heard from multiple people that websites confirm Electivire, but like [[User:Mr.lol]], I want to see '''concreate''' proof!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:You spelled concrete wrong. God you guys, you don't have to be so stubborn about proof. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, we can't just confirm something without proof. If you could, we could say, ''Oh yea, every Pokémon is going to be this game!'' You need a source to confirm your assumptions. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, duh. But I mean.. people don't have to be STUBBORN. I like having proof that xxxx is in the game, but if there isn't I don't go screeching about it. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Brendan??? ==
Look at the Pokémon Trainer in the far right back of this picture:
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]

It's [[Brendan]]!!!! [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's Red with a clothe similar to Brendan's clothes in Emerald.--'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think this hints at the alternate colors of the Pokémon trainer. Since he's like, using the same Pokémon and stuff. :p {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course yes. Like Pikachu wearing googles. --'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourmy but cool[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆
:Yeah, this is just showing us one of Pokémon Trainer's colour changes. Like the Metaknight screenshot in the recent wifi "with others" update. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Magikarp ==

[[Image:Magikarp in ssbb.JPG|thumb|300px|Its blurry, but try watching the video.]]My cousin wanted to show this.

It proves only the Magikarp is in the game he could be playable. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh, wtf would people want to play as Magikarp? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah! Lets see it's attacks! Slash! Tackle! And Flail! woo hoo[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''0''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

1 I was making a point 2 Joke charterer like Mr G&W 3 Magikaprs final smash Gyarados. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:If it's from Subspace Emissary, it's probably a very weak enemy...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Like Goomba? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Yea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thats funny [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:It's not Magikarp - it has tentacles for one thing. That creature is probably just another member of the Primid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it is a fish. When I rewatched the video, it's head seemed messed up. It looked purple.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a fish. That particular level is underwater so seeing a fish there isn't unusual. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So now we are sure that it is not Magikarp. Okay! End of story.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Magikarp. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:THOSE AREN'T TENTACLES!!! Magikarp has whiskers! And how the heck is that PURPLE!!!??? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 01:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:129Magikarp.png|50px]][[Image:129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1b 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1y 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 1g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2s 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2c 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3r 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 3e 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3f 129.png|50px]]
:Um, are you freaking paying attention? We're saying it's NOT Magikarp because it has a purple/blue head.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a Carp [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

What the hell? "It has a purple/blue head"?? It's red! The only blue thing in that pic is the background! Aren't you seeing the red thing in the middle of the pic? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we wate untill you have a better pick. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual the video on the dojo. That is not a Magikarp! --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Look here, if you don't pause, IT IS A MAGIKARP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cn3rt0UYPw&feature=related--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 00:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

==Pic==
I found this pic online, can you really play as Meowth?
http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/912310_2.jpg

i don't think so [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That pic is a fake. I check on the SSBB website everyday and they didn't even mention half of these characters. Meowth is a Poké Ball Pokémon and Waluigi is an assist trophy so they can't possibly characters. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 02:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

How is that guy under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

that pic is 100% fake because it has Waluigi in it and he was announced as a support guy '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also on IGN, the selection page was completely white.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}}05:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't even look like the character select screen. It is a fake, and an old one at that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course the big piece of evidence that shows how old and fake this is is the lack of Ike/Pokémon Trainer/Lucas/Dedede. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Also Sanke, Mii and Ike. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Snake is in there, I did mention Ike and nothing to do with the Mii has been confirmed thus far. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Probally I'm wrong or getting mad, but, is that Batman next to Snake? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:''By golly, you got it!'' Yea, what's that about??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I'm NOT getting mad?? That's Batman??? O.O'' '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's Black Shadow feom F-Zero. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Oh, well it sure does look like Batman! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

the rest of him don't pluse he is a bad guy. Who is under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::It's supposed to be Zero Suit Samus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's NOT zero suit Samus, you Idiot, It's DARK Samus!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the Blob --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have told him nicely. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I got it it's Chaos. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey, it's not as if it is a very clear picture. It's some form of Samus and blue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I ''think'' it says 0 Samus.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It says "D. Samus." Anyway, why are we getting into arguments over a fake image anyway?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Magikarp and another one! ==

The most recent Video of Subspace has somthing very supspicious: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html. I think Magikarp is an enemy! Rayquaza is definitly as boss as seen here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html -quick Man
P.S Can someone teach me to make a sig?

I saw Magikarp too!
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 03:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:So did I, though I think that it's just a PokéBall Pokémon and can just be hit away, like Chansey in Melee. But let's not add speculation! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is already covered. Rayquaza's boss status is mentioned on the relevent pages and that creature is not a Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Dude, that totally is Magikarp! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A Magicarp If I eva did see one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual video on the dojo. There is no way that that fish is supposed to be Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Questions ==
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]
The Trainer and Pokemon will change colors (I saw a officail Picture of a Brendan looking Red with a green bulb Ivysaur).-Quick Man
:Not really much of a question, but yes, Red will change colors as will his Pokémon. We know two colors so far. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Here is a picture of the Pokémon Trainer looking like Brendan: --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Red, with different colors. Sure his outfit LOOKS like Emerald Brendan. But it isn't. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Does this mean he'll also look like Gold and Lucas? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Probably, although I bet it's limited to pallet swaps.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Stickers ==

:Hey, here's a novelty: let's have a discussion about the actual article.

:I've been thinking about stickers and am wondering how we are going to implement the information on it here. Take a look at the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html Spectator Mode] coverage on the official site: Not only does it promise to "be passing out stickers left and right" but the likes of Silver the Hedgehog managed to be a sticker in the game. This suggests that we are likely to see a lot of stickers from the Pokémon universe. So is it going to fill up the page as a big list? And if we continue to list every little detail on the template, then it is going to be massive!

:We've got a bit of time to go before the release but it is worth thinking about --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I say gloss over the stickers, since there could be 500+ stickers, one for every Pokémon. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no guarantee of that, though. And I think they'd include a few humans and items as well as Pokémon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's any substantial number of stickers, put the description on the Pokémon species page. If there's not too many, perhaps a list of trophies and a list of stickers that feature Pokémon things should be made. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Celebi Sticker Brawl.jpg|right|200px]]
:A Celebi sticker was revealed today. I uploaded a pic of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::Do we really need that picture? More importantly, this update just threw everything we thought we knew about stickers on its head. We have to cover them now. At least I fixed the template. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
Does anybody know what form Deoxys will be? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Attack was revealled so far.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will probably just be the attack form. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool if defense form Deoxys would just be a wall, invincible to attacks. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::That would be pointless since all Poké Ball Pokémon are immune to attacks anyway and are supposed to have some effect on the battle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
All 4 would be cool [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::But we already have one and there's nearly 500 of the things eager for some representation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true. Like Tarous [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Jan 12. Edit on Dojo ==
[[Image:LatiosTrophy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Look closely.....]]
Toady, they released some pics of a ''Challenger'' mode thing. If you look carefully, you can see a shilouette of a Latios/Latias trophy. You can also see that there is going to be a ''Pink Ball Repulsion'' challenge to unlock such trophy. Do you think that this challenge is related to Pokémon? And where should we put this info????{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Its Metaknights ship the Halberd, I mean if you think about it they do sort of have the same shape in a way. But yeah thats Metaknights ship since its featured in the event match.
[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

:In addition, in ''Kirby of the Stars'', Dedede and Escargon often call Kirby a "Pink Ball" as a derogatory name. Since he looks like a pink ball with feet.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::We are getting a topic here people. It is that trophy is a Pokémon I don't think it's noticeable to me are we going to do every time there is a Pigey in the background. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All the Poké Ball Pokémon will get trophies anyway. And the "Pink Ball" event is described [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various16.html here]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the mission your talking about is in here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html Your meta knight fighting kirby. Also, that is most likly a tropy of the Halbred--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats what I said before its an event match for Kirby's universe so Pokémon won't be a part of it ok? That trophy is the Halberd like I stated before. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

== Legendary questions ==

So {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} (w00t) have been confirmed to appear in Brawl. Friggin' sweet, but Shaymin hasn't even been officially introduced to the Japanese D/P fan base yet (unless you count Brawl itself), and neither have been introduced to English-speaking countries. Will this mean that Shaymin events all around the world and Darkrai events for English players be held to help kill all confusion as to who these Pokémon are, or will they be cut from the finalized English versions?

As for Latios and Latias, just the other day the article said that the two are released from the same Poké Ball, fly to opposite ends of the stage, and meet in the middle. But now, it says all that ''and'' that only Latios has been confirmed. Clearly, Latias has been confirmed if we know so much about what happens when the Poké Ball is thrown, has she not? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

:Listen I have actually seen the video with Latios in it and only Latios comes out of the Poké Ball alright?

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo Look Latios Appears at 0.50 okay?] Unsigned comment by {{u|Big Johnno}}
::That is one video. The demo was released to multiple game journalists who report seeing both. Gimpyfish played it constantly at E For All and in his impressions [http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329 he reports seeing both]. Until we get more solid information, the evidence is at both being featured in the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::To answer the first question, no they aren't suddenly going to give away the unobtainables. Shaymin will be revealed in the next Coro Coro and then be given away in Japan when the movie comes out. Darkrai will soon be revealed on Pokemon.com with the revelation of the movie and MD sequel. The big question is what the English translation will do with Shaymin and NoA might not even have that answer yet.
:::But when was Darkrai confirmed? It seems odd that it wouldn't have been mentioned when we knew of Shaymin immediately. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I heard, but I forgot the name, that Darkrai was revealed at the same place Garchomp was revealed.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 16:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Jumpfesta? That's not even what it says in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::No nevermind. Not Jumpfesta. The thing had a capital E in it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::E for All is probably what you're thinking of (it's the only event with a capital E in it that Brawl appeared at). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yea that's it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl==

Copied and Pasted straight from GameFAQs.

"[http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/ (A video from Offical Nintendo Wii Website (Japanese)]

Check around 4:20 in the lower-right-hand corner that shows who you can use the stickers on. Lucario's and Ness's heads appear in separate images:

Lucario:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip439380np6.jpg (Check the corner)]

Ness:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iup542612bd3.jpg (Check the corner)]

Enjoy."

Make sure you watch the video on the website, not the video on YouTube and such.

Epic.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Damn my ignorance! The links to the pictures are there, you just have to open the edit function to see them.

Well spotted, but they might also be leading to another section of stickers, plus people have been saying they saw Lucario come out of a Poké Ball.
::But in the Sticker Power Up update on the DOJO, it shows Kirby, Meta-Knight, and Dedede when the Cook Kirby sticker is highlighted. I believe this is real. That would be three pictures following the pattern.
:::We'll see. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Be patient.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I remembered something! In the video, it shows the Klaptrap Sticker, but when the hand hovers over it, it shows no one. If the above "leading to a selection of stickers" hypothesis is correct, where are Donkey Kong and Diddy on the bar next to the discription for the Klaptrap sticker?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

EVERYONE! JUST BE PATIENT! PLEASE DO NOT ADD LUCARIO OR JIGGLYPUFF TO THE PAGE UNTILL SOMETHING IS CONFIRMED ON THE DOJO! AT THE MOMENT ITS NOTHING BUT RUMOR AND SPECULATION OKAY?
:Well, I admit I went and added the info the {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Lucario}} and those haven't been edited back yet. I'm not trying to create an Edit War; I'm not "readding" the information to the Brawl Page. Coincidentally, I s'pose this means that Mewtwo isn't in Brawl, similar to what Serebii was hinting at..--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Mewtwo was terrible, i would love to see him get replaced with Lucario. but does Lucario have enough popularity to become a playable character? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well on img there was a debate going on about who should be in brawl? Mewtwo or Lucario, despite Mewtwo having a bigger fan base, most have agreed, Lucario would be better in close combat. But still please don't add anything!

UNCONFIRMED Zeta...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just an update: theres now a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWeNgxfbLU YouTube Version of the video that the leak came from]. Apparently, someone learned of the leak, and the video on Wii.com was changed.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oy... No one knows what i'm talking about nowadays.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Jigglypuff is in the game... AND I WANT VISUAL EVIDENCE...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, I know what you mean. There could be some contrived way that Lucario isn't going to be playable, and that the DOJO or other, 100% infalliable confirmation should be recieved. I was just making sure the information was still listed on this page, with reliable videos. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. And Pokemaniac, if you look at the YouTube Vid or the pictures that have been put on Bulbanews, you can see Jigglypuff next to Lucario. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait........Why are we fighting? And are we sure that those images at the bottom are players?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I didn't think we were fighting. I'd call it a 99% true thing. Also in the (non-edited) Video, it shows that two Sonic Stickers and only Sonic listed where the character Icons are. Not to mention the entire Ness thing.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::K... End of Discussion! But Zeta or any other admin will probably not UNprotect the article.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And it has been protected without a time limit.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll see. The article should be protected until the release date, no longer. I changed it so we don't forget to do so manually. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I just say, Whoopie! [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you there Cerberus, this is one of the best news in ages! YIPEE KI YAY![[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

D*** YOU, LUCARIO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT MEWTWO BEING CUT! I am sorry for the Caps abuse but I am a huge mewtwo player in melee, he's my best and favoritwe charecter, you see, some pepole DO like mewtwo better than lucario.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

wait a minute, light bulb! Maybe that certain game didn't unlock mewtwo and/or pichu and/or any other playable pokemon!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo or Pichu ==

I don't think it's necessary to mention Mewtwo's or Pichu's fate yet. No matter how well foundated, it's just an assumption as of January 21st. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha? Of course Mewtwo is coming back and Pichu is not. But we need proth. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::What? No, Lucario IS this generations Mewtwo....Mewtwo's not coming back....and Pokémon Trainer replaced Pichu. Why don't we move this to forums???? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of the leak, that looks to be the final Pokémon lineup. Besides which, Serebii already said that Lucario replaces Mewtwo and he just confirmed on his site today that he does have insider information on the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I guess I'll believe Serebii. I just think that part needs a better wording anyway, possibly by not mentioning Mewtwo or Pichu. If some administrator can edit it, it would be nice. It's good that the article is locked BTW. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Make up you're mind weather of not Serebii is reliable or not. We can't jump to conclusions. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:If anything, Mewtwo and Pichu are unconfirmed for being playable or not. Ness is in Brawl, and Lucas takes most, if not all, of his powers. Wait it out. We will see! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What dos ness have to do with this? Also maybe that was story mode and Mewtwo is doing somthing else at the time. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone figured that Ness would be out because Lucas was in. Same difference with Mewtwo and Lucario. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should ice this for now. Just see what happens. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I took the mention of Pichu and Mewtwo out of the article. Mewtwo and Pichu are really unlikely to return but we can wait until the final rosta is confirmed to actually say that on the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Manaphy]] ==

This is great. How come Manphy is not on the page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most likely because the article is fully protected and an administrator is not around to make additions. It'll be added soon enough. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I got it. Now where have all those extra Whobby Pokémon come from? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did not here anything about Leafeon. Were did that come from? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Were did you hear about Leafeon? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 18:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:I have no idea if Leafeon has been confirmed or not (I can never make it to these types of events), but it's been on the list for roughly a week now, if not longer. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon voices ==

I'm thinking this statement ''However, the Pokémon no longer speak in their anime voices, but instead cry out their sound effect voices from the videogames.'' should not be here. Pokemon still have their anime voices, and heck, the Pokeball has the anime sound effect for the first time. [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 21:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:What? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::Apparently, the Pokémon no longer have their anime voices (what the article says), and GC is saying otherwise. I'm trying to look for videos on this, but everyone I find has only still pictures. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I hope not. I like it with the voices. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Are you talking about the Poké Ball item or the Pokémon Trainer character, Goldchaos? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 01:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Pokeball I think. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

That statement has to be wrong anyway, since Pikachu still goes "Pika pika pika" and such. Why would Pikachu gets its anime voice and none of the other Pokemon? As for videos, this one here: [http://www.smashbros.com/jp/movies/movie071010b.html?keepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=320&width=420] It has Achamo and Pochama saying their names. [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 16:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, playable characters are more important than items, but that video and the Jigglypuff/Lucario commercial confirm that Piplup at least has its anime voice. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

In brawl centeral, there is a video near the bottom which shows king dedede vs. Ike. ABout 35 seconds in, chickorita appers from a pokeball and clearly yells "chicka" instead of "erun". So I have to say the rumor of pokemon using their video game cries is BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Case closed *gravel is hered hitting a wodden table*--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah we already came to that conclusion with Pochama. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Jp URL ==

The Japanese URL for Brawl is busted. There's a '/' slash after the 'index.html', and it thus reads it as a 404. I don't have the powers to edit this page, so... yeah. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 17:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Was that link always like that? 0_0 --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== Big News! ==
If you go to this link [http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/ here], you will see all the official pictures from Brawl showing Lucario. Jigglypuff isn't in it though and if you watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBsajRrnY8 this], which is the Brawl opening it clearly shows some characters who were thought to have been removed. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]22:38, 29 January 2008(UTC)

I don't see Lucario. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Look at the second picture. There's Lucario in the Character Select screen. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 15:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You said it was in the veideo. --[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 18:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml Serebii] found some other pics showing Lucario....{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 21:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

::Also a fake looking rouster. Just saying [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Na ah. Have you seen the roster at ign on that video special?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 21:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Considering the guys at Serebii have insider information on Brawl (so they say, that is), I don't think they would be posting it on their site if they so much as thought it was fake. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 21:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::::But highly unlikely that it is fake. Those images at serebii. Looks too real{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 21:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No he dos not. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:It looks real to me. Also, I think SSBB is out in Japan. If that's an actual picture of the game, I think it's safe to say it's true. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will be out in two days{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 22:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there's early-release things.. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, this new info over the last 24 hours is definately from actual leaked copies. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::And now I want to see more of Young Link. I'll see if I can find any tidbits to add but all the major sites are down so don't expect much. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sigh... Makes me unable to wait till March. Oh well [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 22:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:At least you only have to wait little over a month. I don't even know when I'm going to be able to play this game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait, what country do you live in??? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 23:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Why the surprise? Europe, Australia and other more minor areas don't have the release date yet. For the record, I live in England. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Who, me? Although I have a question? Who's that third from the right? Looks like R.O.B [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 23:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's because it ''is'' R.O.B. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:He meant Fab{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh. Thanks on both counts [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 23:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==Eevee and Eeveelutions==
Ok, at Whobby 2008 Eevee was seen coming out of a Poké Ball right, then it would evolve into 1 of its 7 forms and use an attack. So the main Poké Ball Pokémon is Eevee which evolves into either Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon or Glaceon. Ok? [[Image:Ani006MS.gif]] [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] [[Image:Ani249MS.gif]] 20:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC).
:Wo, hold up! That's some pretty big info, and we'll need some proff before adding it to the page. Can you try to get a video of Eevee on Youtube? If you could, that'll be great. Thanks. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
::Ta da! I just found this video on youtube. It says that Eevee is in it, but I have to go. So can anyone look at the video and tell me where in it you can see Eevee??? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Get the link to it.
::Oops...Sorry. I forgot to put it in my last edit. Here it is: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LuTQBz4hd0] {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Something minor, but on the list of Poké Ball Pokémon, Eevee is marked with four asterisks (****), but there's no explaination as to what this is supposed to mean. I would fix it myself, but the article is protected, so it would be greatly appreciated if an administrator could do it instead. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:That's a typo since it was at Whobby. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Spear Pillar as a playable stage==
Not sure what the policy is regarding adding this stuff to the article yet, but I thought I'd put it here for all to see: according to this [http://amazoness.co.uk/spearpillar.jpg screencap], Spear Pillar is a stage in the game. The text says テンガンざん, やりのはしら (Tengan Mountain, Spear Pillar). And just in case you think I've been getting creative with Photoshop, the video I capped it from can be found [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKdG9DAECc here]. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 14:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:That explains the absense of Dialga and Palkia until now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't see it. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's the one highlighted... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It in Seibi also. I see it there. Jigglypuff big now. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-01-28T21:19:13Z

Quick Man: /* Pokemon voices */

== Questions ==
I have a few questions about Red.

1. Does Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard have the ability to pick up poke-balls?

2. Will he have difeerent colored clothing (if you can change colors) or will he be a different trainer? (Like Brendan or Lukas).

These are the questions that haunt me....
:1. Obviously, Red's Pokémon will be able to pick up all the items.
:2. We don't know how costume changes will be implemented yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
they might just make them into shinies
:Highly unlikely, but hey, we can hope. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Special moves ==

Okay, some of the B moves have been revealed. So how should we do this? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I dislike the way the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] article does it. This is a good opportunity for our [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|style editors]] to have a look at it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Soooo... should I ask someone for an overhaul or advice? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Guest Pokémon ==

In one of the videos of the demo version, Electivire can be clearly seen in the background of the electric version of PS2. Since there is no doubt if Electivire is in the background, please do not remove this information. If you need a source, I'll try to find the video. [[User:Deoxys911|Deoxys911]] 19:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Find the video! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or a picture at least. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... They tell me Electivire is on a GamePro video, in case anybody wants to investigate. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you find the video and tell me the name of the site that I can find it on? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== {{p|Torchic}} ==
What attack does Torchic use? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I thik it's Heat wave. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Cover==

I don't think thats the real cover. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was on Nintendo's press site so it's not likely to be fake. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proof for Entei ==

Entei can be seen in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZjBNfJXw5U this video]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

People swear both Latios and Latias are in the game as expected. I'm sure there are more videos that show them, but the only one I have seen is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo this one]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fake two me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::=-? Why doubting Latios and Latias when you know it's their turn to appear? My only question is what are their moves supposed to be and whether they come from their own Poké Balls. If somebody knows the answer, then add them to the article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]]

:I think Gardevoir might be confirmed too. That... whitish thing walking around. I could swear that's Gardevoir, but meh. (anywhoo, favorite Pokeymanz semi-confirmed?! Do want!) Oh well - if it is fake (I haven't played the games, to be honest..) oh well. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::^_^ True, that's indeed Gardevoir. I don't know what is it doing, though. From what I've heard, it protects its Trainer inside that psychic ball. A Light Screen? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It kinda looks real. I may have been filmed at E3 or something like that --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_for_All E for All], the spiritual successor of the open-to-all-public E3. Gardevoir was also spotted in [http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/RainXion/20216_n20071010_18_smashx_02.jpg this picture]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Yea, Gardevoir is pretty safe to say confirmed. But as for Entei, I think that the videa is fake. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Now, I couldn't find Entei.. because I was reading Mr. Resetti's text. We should put down Gardevoir as confirmed, or atleast semi-confirmed. (It'd be rockin' to have Gardevoir as a playable char, yknow... :o) I think the attack it uses is either {{m|Protect}}, {{m|Light Screen}} or {{m|Reflect}}. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 19:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::Umm thaaats just a formless blur, it isnt comfirmed at all! [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::: It has been confirmed by people who have actually played the demo, such as in the link I posted below. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Just because it isn't reported by the site, doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY not confirmed. Come on guys. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::yeah nevermind sorry I just had to watch the video, the picture is just a mad image though. [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually only Latios was seen in the E for All video, Latias hasn't been mentioned yet.

OK that makes more sence. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Princess peach ==

I heard a rumor that Princess peach is making a guest appearance in and upcoming episode of Pokémon.
If that's true whether she be added to this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:That rumour is completely false. But even if she did appear, she would still count as a product of the Mario universe so not be worth mentioning on this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then

== Excuse me... ==

How can it be Latias and Latios!? Only one Pokémon can come out of a Pokéball! [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:This game can ignore that little detail for the sake of gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I never read that update in the DOjo. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was not a Dojo update, but a gameplay video made by fans. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

::I could have sworn at some point in the anime 2 Pokemon could be in one Pokeball. I mean, you can put food in there, and even other Pokeballs. I don't see why not. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

----

Excuse my rudeness, but don't Mantine (with Remoraid), Slowbro and Slowking (both with Shellder) kind of disprove the "one Pokemon per ball" thing?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Not really. The Pokémon that are attached don't really do anything - thus, it's really just "okay, whatever". {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wailord? ==
At the bottom of http://www.zeldawiki.org/Pok%C3%A9_Ball , they say {{p|Wailord}} is going to be a Poké Ball Pokémon. Anyone have any other proff? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard it was a stage. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I'll look into that... --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've had a look around and [http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml this article] mentions a blue whale in the demo but it could be Kyogre. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Wait. I think they '''''thought''''' was Wailord, but as shown on a video on the offical Brawl Website, it's Kyogre. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
Someone put up Bonsly as a Pokemon and gave the Boomb om desperation. We should problay lock this page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the need to lock the article at this time. It isn't suffering from vandalism and it's certainly useful to keep it open in case the Dojo has a Pokémon update.
:Anyway, you can see Bonsly at the beginning of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UNOL28vUkg this video]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I see no Bonsly. I do see a Chaos Emerald [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:I saw it, but it was extremely small. Maybe you should slow it down? [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
If you say so but it's mean doing that to Bonsly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's Bonsly. Pause it on the first second and look to the left of the box on the stage. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK what ever. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonsly dos not exploid. It said so on the Dojo [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 08:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:More correctly, "the Dojo doesn't say Bonsly explodes". Man, you haven't said anything accurate in all this Bonsly talk. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If he exploded don't you think they would have said so, maybe the Bonsly stepped on a MSB or a Gooie Boomb. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, maybe if he isn't picked up, it'll explode??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thas a Bob-om. At least I am traying to help [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude is says on serebii all about it even has a crystal clear photo and it shows what it does...--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Serbil gets it's info form the Dojo. Just Saying. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BONSLY AT THE DOJO! Very heavy yet Brock can hold it.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, size and weight are pretty screwed up in the anime, so...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::According to the Pokédex, Bonsly are only about 33 pounds. Not overly heavy, actually. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a bit much to be constantly carrying around. It'd certainly suck to have someone throw a 30-pound rock at you, in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Mabie this Bonsly eats donuts. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Given that Bonsly didn't go up on the dojo until shortly before Cerberus made that comment, why is such a big deal being made about it? The article reflects the dojo now. Go find something more relevant to discuss. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hay, what do I have to do with Bonsly? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆

== Electivire ==
Can I have the proof that Electivire is in the game? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Nope. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've heard from multiple people that websites confirm Electivire, but like [[User:Mr.lol]], I want to see '''concreate''' proof!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:You spelled concrete wrong. God you guys, you don't have to be so stubborn about proof. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, we can't just confirm something without proof. If you could, we could say, ''Oh yea, every Pokémon is going to be this game!'' You need a source to confirm your assumptions. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, duh. But I mean.. people don't have to be STUBBORN. I like having proof that xxxx is in the game, but if there isn't I don't go screeching about it. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Brendan??? ==
Look at the Pokémon Trainer in the far right back of this picture:
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]

It's [[Brendan]]!!!! [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's Red with a clothe similar to Brendan's clothes in Emerald.--'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think this hints at the alternate colors of the Pokémon trainer. Since he's like, using the same Pokémon and stuff. :p {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course yes. Like Pikachu wearing googles. --'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourmy but cool[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆
:Yeah, this is just showing us one of Pokémon Trainer's colour changes. Like the Metaknight screenshot in the recent wifi "with others" update. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Magikarp ==

[[Image:Magikarp in ssbb.JPG|thumb|300px|Its blurry, but try watching the video.]]My cousin wanted to show this.

It proves only the Magikarp is in the game he could be playable. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh, wtf would people want to play as Magikarp? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah! Lets see it's attacks! Slash! Tackle! And Flail! woo hoo[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''0''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

1 I was making a point 2 Joke charterer like Mr G&W 3 Magikaprs final smash Gyarados. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:If it's from Subspace Emissary, it's probably a very weak enemy...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Like Goomba? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Yea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thats funny [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:It's not Magikarp - it has tentacles for one thing. That creature is probably just another member of the Primid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it is a fish. When I rewatched the video, it's head seemed messed up. It looked purple.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a fish. That particular level is underwater so seeing a fish there isn't unusual. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So now we are sure that it is not Magikarp. Okay! End of story.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Magikarp. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:THOSE AREN'T TENTACLES!!! Magikarp has whiskers! And how the heck is that PURPLE!!!??? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 01:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:129Magikarp.png|50px]][[Image:129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1b 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1y 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 1g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2s 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2c 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3r 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 3e 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3f 129.png|50px]]
:Um, are you freaking paying attention? We're saying it's NOT Magikarp because it has a purple/blue head.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a Carp [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

What the hell? "It has a purple/blue head"?? It's red! The only blue thing in that pic is the background! Aren't you seeing the red thing in the middle of the pic? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we wate untill you have a better pick. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual the video on the dojo. That is not a Magikarp! --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Pic==
I found this pic online, can you really play as Meowth?
http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/912310_2.jpg

i don't think so [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That pic is a fake. I check on the SSBB website everyday and they didn't even mention half of these characters. Meowth is a Poké Ball Pokémon and Waluigi is an assist trophy so they can't possibly characters. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 02:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

How is that guy under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

that pic is 100% fake because it has Waluigi in it and he was announced as a support guy '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also on IGN, the selection page was completely white.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}}05:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't even look like the character select screen. It is a fake, and an old one at that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course the big piece of evidence that shows how old and fake this is is the lack of Ike/Pokémon Trainer/Lucas/Dedede. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Also Sanke, Mii and Ike. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Snake is in there, I did mention Ike and nothing to do with the Mii has been confirmed thus far. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Probally I'm wrong or getting mad, but, is that Batman next to Snake? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:''By golly, you got it!'' Yea, what's that about??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I'm NOT getting mad?? That's Batman??? O.O'' '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's Black Shadow feom F-Zero. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Oh, well it sure does look like Batman! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

the rest of him don't pluse he is a bad guy. Who is under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::It's supposed to be Zero Suit Samus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's NOT zero suit Samus, you Idiot, It's DARK Samus!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the Blob --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have told him nicely. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I got it it's Chaos. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey, it's not as if it is a very clear picture. It's some form of Samus and blue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I ''think'' it says 0 Samus.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It says "D. Samus." Anyway, why are we getting into arguments over a fake image anyway?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Magikarp and another one! ==

The most recent Video of Subspace has somthing very supspicious: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html. I think Magikarp is an enemy! Rayquaza is definitly as boss as seen here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html -quick Man
P.S Can someone teach me to make a sig?

I saw Magikarp too!
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 03:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:So did I, though I think that it's just a PokéBall Pokémon and can just be hit away, like Chansey in Melee. But let's not add speculation! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is already covered. Rayquaza's boss status is mentioned on the relevent pages and that creature is not a Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Dude, that totally is Magikarp! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A Magicarp If I eva did see one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual video on the dojo. There is no way that that fish is supposed to be Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Questions ==
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]
The Trainer and Pokemon will change colors (I saw a officail Picture of a Brendan looking Red with a green bulb Ivysaur).-Quick Man
:Not really much of a question, but yes, Red will change colors as will his Pokémon. We know two colors so far. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Here is a picture of the Pokémon Trainer looking like Brendan: --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Red, with different colors. Sure his outfit LOOKS like Emerald Brendan. But it isn't. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Does this mean he'll also look like Gold and Lucas? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Probably, although I bet it's limited to pallet swaps.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Stickers ==

:Hey, here's a novelty: let's have a discussion about the actual article.

:I've been thinking about stickers and am wondering how we are going to implement the information on it here. Take a look at the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html Spectator Mode] coverage on the official site: Not only does it promise to "be passing out stickers left and right" but the likes of Silver the Hedgehog managed to be a sticker in the game. This suggests that we are likely to see a lot of stickers from the Pokémon universe. So is it going to fill up the page as a big list? And if we continue to list every little detail on the template, then it is going to be massive!

:We've got a bit of time to go before the release but it is worth thinking about --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I say gloss over the stickers, since there could be 500+ stickers, one for every Pokémon. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no guarantee of that, though. And I think they'd include a few humans and items as well as Pokémon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's any substantial number of stickers, put the description on the Pokémon species page. If there's not too many, perhaps a list of trophies and a list of stickers that feature Pokémon things should be made. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Celebi Sticker Brawl.jpg|right|200px]]
:A Celebi sticker was revealed today. I uploaded a pic of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::Do we really need that picture? More importantly, this update just threw everything we thought we knew about stickers on its head. We have to cover them now. At least I fixed the template. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
Does anybody know what form Deoxys will be? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Attack was revealled so far.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will probably just be the attack form. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool if defense form Deoxys would just be a wall, invincible to attacks. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::That would be pointless since all Poké Ball Pokémon are immune to attacks anyway and are supposed to have some effect on the battle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
All 4 would be cool [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::But we already have one and there's nearly 500 of the things eager for some representation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true. Like Tarous [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Jan 12. Edit on Dojo ==
[[Image:LatiosTrophy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Look closely.....]]
Toady, they released some pics of a ''Challenger'' mode thing. If you look carefully, you can see a shilouette of a Latios/Latias trophy. You can also see that there is going to be a ''Pink Ball Repulsion'' challenge to unlock such trophy. Do you think that this challenge is related to Pokémon? And where should we put this info????{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Its Metaknights ship the Halberd, I mean if you think about it they do sort of have the same shape in a way. But yeah thats Metaknights ship since its featured in the event match.
[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

:In addition, in ''Kirby of the Stars'', Dedede and Escargon often call Kirby a "Pink Ball" as a derogatory name. Since he looks like a pink ball with feet.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::We are getting a topic here people. It is that trophy is a Pokémon I don't think it's noticeable to me are we going to do every time there is a Pigey in the background. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All the Poké Ball Pokémon will get trophies anyway. And the "Pink Ball" event is described [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various16.html here]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the mission your talking about is in here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html Your meta knight fighting kirby. Also, that is most likly a tropy of the Halbred--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats what I said before its an event match for Kirby's universe so Pokémon won't be a part of it ok? That trophy is the Halberd like I stated before. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

== Legendary questions ==

So {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} (w00t) have been confirmed to appear in Brawl. Friggin' sweet, but Shaymin hasn't even been officially introduced to the Japanese D/P fan base yet (unless you count Brawl itself), and neither have been introduced to English-speaking countries. Will this mean that Shaymin events all around the world and Darkrai events for English players be held to help kill all confusion as to who these Pokémon are, or will they be cut from the finalized English versions?

As for Latios and Latias, just the other day the article said that the two are released from the same Poké Ball, fly to opposite ends of the stage, and meet in the middle. But now, it says all that ''and'' that only Latios has been confirmed. Clearly, Latias has been confirmed if we know so much about what happens when the Poké Ball is thrown, has she not? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

:Listen I have actually seen the video with Latios in it and only Latios comes out of the Poké Ball alright?

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo Look Latios Appears at 0.50 okay?] Unsigned comment by {{u|Big Johnno}}
::That is one video. The demo was released to multiple game journalists who report seeing both. Gimpyfish played it constantly at E For All and in his impressions [http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329 he reports seeing both]. Until we get more solid information, the evidence is at both being featured in the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::To answer the first question, no they aren't suddenly going to give away the unobtainables. Shaymin will be revealed in the next Coro Coro and then be given away in Japan when the movie comes out. Darkrai will soon be revealed on Pokemon.com with the revelation of the movie and MD sequel. The big question is what the English translation will do with Shaymin and NoA might not even have that answer yet.
:::But when was Darkrai confirmed? It seems odd that it wouldn't have been mentioned when we knew of Shaymin immediately. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I heard, but I forgot the name, that Darkrai was revealed at the same place Garchomp was revealed.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 16:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Jumpfesta? That's not even what it says in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::No nevermind. Not Jumpfesta. The thing had a capital E in it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::E for All is probably what you're thinking of (it's the only event with a capital E in it that Brawl appeared at). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yea that's it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl==

Copied and Pasted straight from GameFAQs.

"[http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/ (A video from Offical Nintendo Wii Website (Japanese)]

Check around 4:20 in the lower-right-hand corner that shows who you can use the stickers on. Lucario's and Ness's heads appear in separate images:

Lucario:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip439380np6.jpg (Check the corner)]

Ness:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iup542612bd3.jpg (Check the corner)]

Enjoy."

Make sure you watch the video on the website, not the video on YouTube and such.

Epic.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Damn my ignorance! The links to the pictures are there, you just have to open the edit function to see them.

Well spotted, but they might also be leading to another section of stickers, plus people have been saying they saw Lucario come out of a Poké Ball.
::But in the Sticker Power Up update on the DOJO, it shows Kirby, Meta-Knight, and Dedede when the Cook Kirby sticker is highlighted. I believe this is real. That would be three pictures following the pattern.
:::We'll see. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Be patient.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I remembered something! In the video, it shows the Klaptrap Sticker, but when the hand hovers over it, it shows no one. If the above "leading to a selection of stickers" hypothesis is correct, where are Donkey Kong and Diddy on the bar next to the discription for the Klaptrap sticker?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

EVERYONE! JUST BE PATIENT! PLEASE DO NOT ADD LUCARIO OR JIGGLYPUFF TO THE PAGE UNTILL SOMETHING IS CONFIRMED ON THE DOJO! AT THE MOMENT ITS NOTHING BUT RUMOR AND SPECULATION OKAY?
:Well, I admit I went and added the info the {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Lucario}} and those haven't been edited back yet. I'm not trying to create an Edit War; I'm not "readding" the information to the Brawl Page. Coincidentally, I s'pose this means that Mewtwo isn't in Brawl, similar to what Serebii was hinting at..--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Mewtwo was terrible, i would love to see him get replaced with Lucario. but does Lucario have enough popularity to become a playable character? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well on img there was a debate going on about who should be in brawl? Mewtwo or Lucario, despite Mewtwo having a bigger fan base, most have agreed, Lucario would be better in close combat. But still please don't add anything!

UNCONFIRMED Zeta...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just an update: theres now a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWeNgxfbLU YouTube Version of the video that the leak came from]. Apparently, someone learned of the leak, and the video on Wii.com was changed.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oy... No one knows what i'm talking about nowadays.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Jigglypuff is in the game... AND I WANT VISUAL EVIDENCE...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, I know what you mean. There could be some contrived way that Lucario isn't going to be playable, and that the DOJO or other, 100% infalliable confirmation should be recieved. I was just making sure the information was still listed on this page, with reliable videos. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. And Pokemaniac, if you look at the YouTube Vid or the pictures that have been put on Bulbanews, you can see Jigglypuff next to Lucario. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait........Why are we fighting? And are we sure that those images at the bottom are players?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I didn't think we were fighting. I'd call it a 99% true thing. Also in the (non-edited) Video, it shows that two Sonic Stickers and only Sonic listed where the character Icons are. Not to mention the entire Ness thing.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::K... End of Discussion! But Zeta or any other admin will probably not UNprotect the article.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And it has been protected without a time limit.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll see. The article should be protected until the release date, no longer. I changed it so we don't forget to do so manually. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I just say, Whoopie! [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you there Cerberus, this is one of the best news in ages! YIPEE KI YAY![[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

D*** YOU, LUCARIO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT MEWTWO BEING CUT! I am sorry for the Caps abuse but I am a huge mewtwo player in melee, he's my best and favoritwe charecter, you see, some pepole DO like mewtwo better than lucario.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

wait a minute, light bulb! Maybe that certain game didn't unlock mewtwo and/or pichu and/or any other playable pokemon!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo or Pichu ==

I don't think it's necessary to mention Mewtwo's or Pichu's fate yet. No matter how well foundated, it's just an assumption as of January 21st. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha? Of course Mewtwo is coming back and Pichu is not. But we need proth. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::What? No, Lucario IS this generations Mewtwo....Mewtwo's not coming back....and Pokémon Trainer replaced Pichu. Why don't we move this to forums???? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of the leak, that looks to be the final Pokémon lineup. Besides which, Serebii already said that Lucario replaces Mewtwo and he just confirmed on his site today that he does have insider information on the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I guess I'll believe Serebii. I just think that part needs a better wording anyway, possibly by not mentioning Mewtwo or Pichu. If some administrator can edit it, it would be nice. It's good that the article is locked BTW. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Make up you're mind weather of not Serebii is reliable or not. We can't jump to conclusions. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:If anything, Mewtwo and Pichu are unconfirmed for being playable or not. Ness is in Brawl, and Lucas takes most, if not all, of his powers. Wait it out. We will see! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What dos ness have to do with this? Also maybe that was story mode and Mewtwo is doing somthing else at the time. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone figured that Ness would be out because Lucas was in. Same difference with Mewtwo and Lucario. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should ice this for now. Just see what happens. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I took the mention of Pichu and Mewtwo out of the article. Mewtwo and Pichu are really unlikely to return but we can wait until the final rosta is confirmed to actually say that on the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Manaphy]] ==

This is great. How come Manphy is not on the page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most likely because the article is fully protected and an administrator is not around to make additions. It'll be added soon enough. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I got it. Now where have all those extra Whobby Pokémon come from? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did not here anything about Leafeon. Were did that come from? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Were did you hear about Leafeon? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 18:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:I have no idea if Leafeon has been confirmed or not (I can never make it to these types of events), but it's been on the list for roughly a week now, if not longer. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon voices ==

I'm thinking this statement ''However, the Pokémon no longer speak in their anime voices, but instead cry out their sound effect voices from the videogames.'' should not be here. Pokemon still have their anime voices, and heck, the Pokeball has the anime sound effect for the first time. [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 21:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:What? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::Apparently, the Pokémon no longer have their anime voices (what the article says), and GC is saying otherwise. I'm trying to look for videos on this, but everyone I find has only still pictures. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I hope not. I like it with the voices. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Are you talking about the Poké Ball item or the Pokémon Trainer character, Goldchaos? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 01:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Pokeball I think. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

That statement has to be wrong anyway, since Pikachu still goes "Pika pika pika" and such. Why would Pikachu gets its anime voice and none of the other Pokemon? As for videos, this one here: [http://www.smashbros.com/jp/movies/movie071010b.html?keepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=320&width=420] It has Achamo and Pochama saying their names. [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 16:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, playable characters are more important than items, but that video and the Jigglypuff/Lucario commercial confirm that Piplup at least has its anime voice. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

In brawl centeral, there is a video near the bottom which shows king dedede vs. Ike. ABout 35 seconds in, chickorita appers from a pokeball and clearly yells "chicka" instead of "erun". So I have to say the rumor of pokemon using their video game cries is BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Case closed *gravel is hered hitting a wodden table*--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Jp URL ==

The Japanese URL for Brawl is busted. There's a '/' slash after the 'index.html', and it thus reads it as a 404. I don't have the powers to edit this page, so... yeah. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 17:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Was that link always like that? 0_0 --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-01-22T12:37:23Z

Quick Man: /* Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl */

== Questions ==
I have a few questions about Red.

1. Does Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard have the ability to pick up poke-balls?

2. Will he have difeerent colored clothing (if you can change colors) or will he be a different trainer? (Like Brendan or Lukas).

These are the questions that haunt me....
:1. Obviously, Red's Pokémon will be able to pick up all the items.
:2. We don't know how costume changes will be implemented yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
they might just make them into shinies
:Highly unlikely, but hey, we can hope. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Special moves ==

Okay, some of the B moves have been revealed. So how should we do this? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I dislike the way the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] article does it. This is a good opportunity for our [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|style editors]] to have a look at it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Soooo... should I ask someone for an overhaul or advice? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Guest Pokémon ==

In one of the videos of the demo version, Electivire can be clearly seen in the background of the electric version of PS2. Since there is no doubt if Electivire is in the background, please do not remove this information. If you need a source, I'll try to find the video. [[User:Deoxys911|Deoxys911]] 19:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Find the video! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or a picture at least. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... They tell me Electivire is on a GamePro video, in case anybody wants to investigate. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you find the video and tell me the name of the site that I can find it on? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== {{p|Torchic}} ==
What attack does Torchic use? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I thik it's Heat wave. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Cover==

I don't think thats the real cover. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was on Nintendo's press site so it's not likely to be fake. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proof for Entei ==

Entei can be seen in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZjBNfJXw5U this video]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

People swear both Latios and Latias are in the game as expected. I'm sure there are more videos that show them, but the only one I have seen is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo this one]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fake two me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::=-? Why doubting Latios and Latias when you know it's their turn to appear? My only question is what are their moves supposed to be and whether they come from their own Poké Balls. If somebody knows the answer, then add them to the article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]]

:I think Gardevoir might be confirmed too. That... whitish thing walking around. I could swear that's Gardevoir, but meh. (anywhoo, favorite Pokeymanz semi-confirmed?! Do want!) Oh well - if it is fake (I haven't played the games, to be honest..) oh well. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::^_^ True, that's indeed Gardevoir. I don't know what is it doing, though. From what I've heard, it protects its Trainer inside that psychic ball. A Light Screen? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It kinda looks real. I may have been filmed at E3 or something like that --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_for_All E for All], the spiritual successor of the open-to-all-public E3. Gardevoir was also spotted in [http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/RainXion/20216_n20071010_18_smashx_02.jpg this picture]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Yea, Gardevoir is pretty safe to say confirmed. But as for Entei, I think that the videa is fake. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Now, I couldn't find Entei.. because I was reading Mr. Resetti's text. We should put down Gardevoir as confirmed, or atleast semi-confirmed. (It'd be rockin' to have Gardevoir as a playable char, yknow... :o) I think the attack it uses is either {{m|Protect}}, {{m|Light Screen}} or {{m|Reflect}}. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 19:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::Umm thaaats just a formless blur, it isnt comfirmed at all! [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::: It has been confirmed by people who have actually played the demo, such as in the link I posted below. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Just because it isn't reported by the site, doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY not confirmed. Come on guys. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::yeah nevermind sorry I just had to watch the video, the picture is just a mad image though. [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually only Latios was seen in the E for All video, Latias hasn't been mentioned yet.

OK that makes more sence. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Princess peach ==

I heard a rumor that Princess peach is making a guest appearance in and upcoming episode of Pokémon.
If that's true whether she be added to this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:That rumour is completely false. But even if she did appear, she would still count as a product of the Mario universe so not be worth mentioning on this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then

== Excuse me... ==

How can it be Latias and Latios!? Only one Pokémon can come out of a Pokéball! [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:This game can ignore that little detail for the sake of gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I never read that update in the DOjo. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was not a Dojo update, but a gameplay video made by fans. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

::I could have sworn at some point in the anime 2 Pokemon could be in one Pokeball. I mean, you can put food in there, and even other Pokeballs. I don't see why not. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

----

Excuse my rudeness, but don't Mantine (with Remoraid), Slowbro and Slowking (both with Shellder) kind of disprove the "one Pokemon per ball" thing?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Not really. The Pokémon that are attached don't really do anything - thus, it's really just "okay, whatever". {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wailord? ==
At the bottom of http://www.zeldawiki.org/Pok%C3%A9_Ball , they say {{p|Wailord}} is going to be a Poké Ball Pokémon. Anyone have any other proff? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard it was a stage. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I'll look into that... --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've had a look around and [http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml this article] mentions a blue whale in the demo but it could be Kyogre. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Wait. I think they '''''thought''''' was Wailord, but as shown on a video on the offical Brawl Website, it's Kyogre. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
Someone put up Bonsly as a Pokemon and gave the Boomb om desperation. We should problay lock this page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the need to lock the article at this time. It isn't suffering from vandalism and it's certainly useful to keep it open in case the Dojo has a Pokémon update.
:Anyway, you can see Bonsly at the beginning of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UNOL28vUkg this video]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I see no Bonsly. I do see a Chaos Emerald [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:I saw it, but it was extremely small. Maybe you should slow it down? [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
If you say so but it's mean doing that to Bonsly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's Bonsly. Pause it on the first second and look to the left of the box on the stage. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK what ever. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonsly dos not exploid. It said so on the Dojo [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 08:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:More correctly, "the Dojo doesn't say Bonsly explodes". Man, you haven't said anything accurate in all this Bonsly talk. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If he exploded don't you think they would have said so, maybe the Bonsly stepped on a MSB or a Gooie Boomb. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, maybe if he isn't picked up, it'll explode??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thas a Bob-om. At least I am traying to help [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude is says on serebii all about it even has a crystal clear photo and it shows what it does...--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Serbil gets it's info form the Dojo. Just Saying. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BONSLY AT THE DOJO! Very heavy yet Brock can hold it.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, size and weight are pretty screwed up in the anime, so...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::According to the Pokédex, Bonsly are only about 33 pounds. Not overly heavy, actually. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a bit much to be constantly carrying around. It'd certainly suck to have someone throw a 30-pound rock at you, in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Mabie this Bonsly eats donuts. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Given that Bonsly didn't go up on the dojo until shortly before Cerberus made that comment, why is such a big deal being made about it? The article reflects the dojo now. Go find something more relevant to discuss. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hay, what do I have to do with Bonsly? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆

== Electivire ==
Can I have the proof that Electivire is in the game? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Nope. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've heard from multiple people that websites confirm Electivire, but like [[User:Mr.lol]], I want to see '''concreate''' proof!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:You spelled concrete wrong. God you guys, you don't have to be so stubborn about proof. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, we can't just confirm something without proof. If you could, we could say, ''Oh yea, every Pokémon is going to be this game!'' You need a source to confirm your assumptions. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, duh. But I mean.. people don't have to be STUBBORN. I like having proof that xxxx is in the game, but if there isn't I don't go screeching about it. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Brendan??? ==
Look at the Pokémon Trainer in the far right back of this picture:
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]

It's [[Brendan]]!!!! [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's Red with a clothe similar to Brendan's clothes in Emerald.--'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think this hints at the alternate colors of the Pokémon trainer. Since he's like, using the same Pokémon and stuff. :p {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course yes. Like Pikachu wearing googles. --'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourmy but cool[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆
:Yeah, this is just showing us one of Pokémon Trainer's colour changes. Like the Metaknight screenshot in the recent wifi "with others" update. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Magikarp ==

[[Image:Magikarp in ssbb.JPG|thumb|300px|Its blurry, but try watching the video.]]My cousin wanted to show this.

It proves only the Magikarp is in the game he could be playable. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh, wtf would people want to play as Magikarp? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah! Lets see it's attacks! Slash! Tackle! And Flail! woo hoo[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''0''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

1 I was making a point 2 Joke charterer like Mr G&W 3 Magikaprs final smash Gyarados. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:If it's from Subspace Emissary, it's probably a very weak enemy...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Like Goomba? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Yea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thats funny [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:It's not Magikarp - it has tentacles for one thing. That creature is probably just another member of the Primid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it is a fish. When I rewatched the video, it's head seemed messed up. It looked purple.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a fish. That particular level is underwater so seeing a fish there isn't unusual. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So now we are sure that it is not Magikarp. Okay! End of story.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Magikarp. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:THOSE AREN'T TENTACLES!!! Magikarp has whiskers! And how the heck is that PURPLE!!!??? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 01:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:129Magikarp.png|50px]][[Image:129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1b 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1y 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 1g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2s 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2c 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3r 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 3e 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3f 129.png|50px]]
:Um, are you freaking paying attention? We're saying it's NOT Magikarp because it has a purple/blue head.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a Carp [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

What the hell? "It has a purple/blue head"?? It's red! The only blue thing in that pic is the background! Aren't you seeing the red thing in the middle of the pic? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we wate untill you have a better pick. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual the video on the dojo. That is not a Magikarp! --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Pic==
I found this pic online, can you really play as Meowth?
http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/912310_2.jpg

i don't think so [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That pic is a fake. I check on the SSBB website everyday and they didn't even mention half of these characters. Meowth is a Poké Ball Pokémon and Waluigi is an assist trophy so they can't possibly characters. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 02:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

How is that guy under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

that pic is 100% fake because it has Waluigi in it and he was announced as a support guy '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also on IGN, the selection page was completely white.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}}05:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't even look like the character select screen. It is a fake, and an old one at that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course the big piece of evidence that shows how old and fake this is is the lack of Ike/Pokémon Trainer/Lucas/Dedede. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Also Sanke, Mii and Ike. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Snake is in there, I did mention Ike and nothing to do with the Mii has been confirmed thus far. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Probally I'm wrong or getting mad, but, is that Batman next to Snake? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:''By golly, you got it!'' Yea, what's that about??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I'm NOT getting mad?? That's Batman??? O.O'' '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's Black Shadow feom F-Zero. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Oh, well it sure does look like Batman! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

the rest of him don't pluse he is a bad guy. Who is under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::It's supposed to be Zero Suit Samus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's NOT zero suit Samus, you Idiot, It's DARK Samus!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the Blob --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have told him nicely. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I got it it's Chaos. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey, it's not as if it is a very clear picture. It's some form of Samus and blue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I ''think'' it says 0 Samus.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It says "D. Samus." Anyway, why are we getting into arguments over a fake image anyway?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Magikarp and another one! ==

The most recent Video of Subspace has somthing very supspicious: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html. I think Magikarp is an enemy! Rayquaza is definitly as boss as seen here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html -quick Man
P.S Can someone teach me to make a sig?

I saw Magikarp too!
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 03:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:So did I, though I think that it's just a PokéBall Pokémon and can just be hit away, like Chansey in Melee. But let's not add speculation! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is already covered. Rayquaza's boss status is mentioned on the relevent pages and that creature is not a Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Dude, that totally is Magikarp! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A Magicarp If I eva did see one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual video on the dojo. There is no way that that fish is supposed to be Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Questions ==
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]
The Trainer and Pokemon will change colors (I saw a officail Picture of a Brendan looking Red with a green bulb Ivysaur).-Quick Man
:Not really much of a question, but yes, Red will change colors as will his Pokémon. We know two colors so far. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Here is a picture of the Pokémon Trainer looking like Brendan: --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Red, with different colors. Sure his outfit LOOKS like Emerald Brendan. But it isn't. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Does this mean he'll also look like Gold and Lucas? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Probably, although I bet it's limited to pallet swaps.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Stickers ==

:Hey, here's a novelty: let's have a discussion about the actual article.

:I've been thinking about stickers and am wondering how we are going to implement the information on it here. Take a look at the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html Spectator Mode] coverage on the official site: Not only does it promise to "be passing out stickers left and right" but the likes of Silver the Hedgehog managed to be a sticker in the game. This suggests that we are likely to see a lot of stickers from the Pokémon universe. So is it going to fill up the page as a big list? And if we continue to list every little detail on the template, then it is going to be massive!

:We've got a bit of time to go before the release but it is worth thinking about --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I say gloss over the stickers, since there could be 500+ stickers, one for every Pokémon. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no guarantee of that, though. And I think they'd include a few humans and items as well as Pokémon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's any substantial number of stickers, put the description on the Pokémon species page. If there's not too many, perhaps a list of trophies and a list of stickers that feature Pokémon things should be made. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Celebi Sticker Brawl.jpg|right|200px]]
:A Celebi sticker was revealed today. I uploaded a pic of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::Do we really need that picture? More importantly, this update just threw everything we thought we knew about stickers on its head. We have to cover them now. At least I fixed the template. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
Does anybody know what form Deoxys will be? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Attack was revealled so far.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will probably just be the attack form. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool if defense form Deoxys would just be a wall, invincible to attacks. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::That would be pointless since all Poké Ball Pokémon are immune to attacks anyway and are supposed to have some effect on the battle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
All 4 would be cool [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::But we already have one and there's nearly 500 of the things eager for some representation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true. Like Tarous [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Jan 12. Edit on Dojo ==
[[Image:LatiosTrophy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Look closely.....]]
Toady, they released some pics of a ''Challenger'' mode thing. If you look carefully, you can see a shilouette of a Latios/Latias trophy. You can also see that there is going to be a ''Pink Ball Repulsion'' challenge to unlock such trophy. Do you think that this challenge is related to Pokémon? And where should we put this info????{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Its Metaknights ship the Halberd, I mean if you think about it they do sort of have the same shape in a way. But yeah thats Metaknights ship since its featured in the event match.
[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

:In addition, in ''Kirby of the Stars'', Dedede and Escargon often call Kirby a "Pink Ball" as a derogatory name. Since he looks like a pink ball with feet.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::We are getting a topic here people. It is that trophy is a Pokémon I don't think it's noticeable to me are we going to do every time there is a Pigey in the background. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All the Poké Ball Pokémon will get trophies anyway. And the "Pink Ball" event is described [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various16.html here]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the mission your talking about is in here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html Your meta knight fighting kirby. Also, that is most likly a tropy of the Halbred--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats what I said before its an event match for Kirby's universe so Pokémon won't be a part of it ok? That trophy is the Halberd like I stated before. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

== Legendary questions ==

So {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} (w00t) have been confirmed to appear in Brawl. Friggin' sweet, but Shaymin hasn't even been officially introduced to the Japanese D/P fan base yet (unless you count Brawl itself), and neither have been introduced to English-speaking countries. Will this mean that Shaymin events all around the world and Darkrai events for English players be held to help kill all confusion as to who these Pokémon are, or will they be cut from the finalized English versions?

As for Latios and Latias, just the other day the article said that the two are released from the same Poké Ball, fly to opposite ends of the stage, and meet in the middle. But now, it says all that ''and'' that only Latios has been confirmed. Clearly, Latias has been confirmed if we know so much about what happens when the Poké Ball is thrown, has she not? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

:Listen I have actually seen the video with Latios in it and only Latios comes out of the Poké Ball alright?

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo Look Latios Appears at 0.50 okay?] Unsigned comment by {{u|Big Johnno}}
::That is one video. The demo was released to multiple game journalists who report seeing both. Gimpyfish played it constantly at E For All and in his impressions [http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329 he reports seeing both]. Until we get more solid information, the evidence is at both being featured in the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::To answer the first question, no they aren't suddenly going to give away the unobtainables. Shaymin will be revealed in the next Coro Coro and then be given away in Japan when the movie comes out. Darkrai will soon be revealed on Pokemon.com with the revelation of the movie and MD sequel. The big question is what the English translation will do with Shaymin and NoA might not even have that answer yet.
:::But when was Darkrai confirmed? It seems odd that it wouldn't have been mentioned when we knew of Shaymin immediately. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I heard, but I forgot the name, that Darkrai was revealed at the same place Garchomp was revealed.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 16:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Jumpfesta? That's not even what it says in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::No nevermind. Not Jumpfesta. The thing had a capital E in it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::E for All is probably what you're thinking of (it's the only event with a capital E in it that Brawl appeared at). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yea that's it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl==

Copied and Pasted straight from GameFAQs.

"[http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/ (A video from Offical Nintendo Wii Website (Japanese)]

Check around 4:20 in the lower-right-hand corner that shows who you can use the stickers on. Lucario's and Ness's heads appear in separate images:

Lucario:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip439380np6.jpg (Check the corner)]

Ness:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iup542612bd3.jpg (Check the corner)]

Enjoy."

Make sure you watch the video on the website, not the video on YouTube and such.

Epic.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Damn my ignorance! The links to the pictures are there, you just have to open the edit function to see them.

Well spotted, but they might also be leading to another section of stickers, plus people have been saying they saw Lucario come out of a Poké Ball.
::But in the Sticker Power Up update on the DOJO, it shows Kirby, Meta-Knight, and Dedede when the Cook Kirby sticker is highlighted. I believe this is real. That would be three pictures following the pattern.
:::We'll see. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Be patient.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I remembered something! In the video, it shows the Klaptrap Sticker, but when the hand hovers over it, it shows no one. If the above "leading to a selection of stickers" hypothesis is correct, where are Donkey Kong and Diddy on the bar next to the discription for the Klaptrap sticker?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

EVERYONE! JUST BE PATIENT! PLEASE DO NOT ADD LUCARIO OR JIGGLYPUFF TO THE PAGE UNTILL SOMETHING IS CONFIRMED ON THE DOJO! AT THE MOMENT ITS NOTHING BUT RUMOR AND SPECULATION OKAY?
:Well, I admit I went and added the info the {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Lucario}} and those haven't been edited back yet. I'm not trying to create an Edit War; I'm not "readding" the information to the Brawl Page. Coincidentally, I s'pose this means that Mewtwo isn't in Brawl, similar to what Serebii was hinting at..--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Mewtwo was terrible, i would love to see him get replaced with Lucario. but does Lucario have enough popularity to become a playable character? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well on img there was a debate going on about who should be in brawl? Mewtwo or Lucario, despite Mewtwo having a bigger fan base, most have agreed, Lucario would be better in close combat. But still please don't add anything!

UNCONFIRMED Zeta...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just an update: theres now a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWeNgxfbLU YouTube Version of the video that the leak came from]. Apparently, someone learned of the leak, and the video on Wii.com was changed.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oy... No one knows what i'm talking about nowadays.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Jigglypuff is in the game... AND I WANT VISUAL EVIDENCE...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, I know what you mean. There could be some contrived way that Lucario isn't going to be playable, and that the DOJO or other, 100% infalliable confirmation should be recieved. I was just making sure the information was still listed on this page, with reliable videos. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. And Pokemaniac, if you look at the YouTube Vid or the pictures that have been put on Bulbanews, you can see Jigglypuff next to Lucario. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait........Why are we fighting? And are we sure that those images at the bottom are players?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I didn't think we were fighting. I'd call it a 99% true thing. Also in the (non-edited) Video, it shows that two Sonic Stickers and only Sonic listed where the character Icons are. Not to mention the entire Ness thing.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::K... End of Discussion! But Zeta or any other admin will probably not UNprotect the article.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And it has been protected without a time limit.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll see. The article should be protected until the release date, no longer. I changed it so we don't forget to do so manually. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I just say, Whoopie! [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you there Cerberus, this is one of the best news in ages! YIPEE KI YAY![[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

D*** YOU, LUCARIO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT MEWTWO BEING CUT! I am sorry for the Caps abuse but I am a huge mewtwo player in melee, he's my best and favoritwe charecter, you see, some pepole DO like mewtwo better than lucario.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

wait a minute, light bulb! Maybe that certain game didn't unlock mewtwo and/or pichu and/or any other playable pokemon!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo or Pichu ==

I don't think it's necessary to mention Mewtwo's or Pichu's fate yet. No matter how well foundated, it's just an assumption as of January 21st. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha? Of course Mewtwo is coming back and Pichu is not. But we need proth. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::What? No, Lucario IS this generations Mewtwo....Mewtwo's not coming back....and Pokémon Trainer replaced Pichu. Why don't we move this to forums???? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of the leak, that looks to be the final Pokémon lineup. Besides which, Serebii already said that Lucario replaces Mewtwo and he just confirmed on his site today that he does have insider information on the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I guess I'll believe Serebii. I just think that part needs a better wording anyway, possibly by not mentioning Mewtwo or Pichu. If some administrator can edit it, it would be nice. It's good that the article is locked BTW. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Make up you're mind weather of not Serebii is reliable or not. We can't jump to conclusions. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:If anything, Mewtwo and Pichu are unconfirmed for being playable or not. Ness is in Brawl, and Lucas takes most, if not all, of his powers. Wait it out. We will see! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What dos ness have to do with this? Also maybe that was story mode and Mewtwo is doing somthing else at the time. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone figured that Ness would be out because Lucas was in. Same difference with Mewtwo and Lucario. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should ice this for now. Just see what happens. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Manaphy]] ==

This is great. How come Manphy is not on the page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most likely because the article is fully protected and an administrator is not around to make additions. It'll be added soon enough. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-01-22T12:37:02Z

Quick Man: /* Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl */

== Questions ==
I have a few questions about Red.

1. Does Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard have the ability to pick up poke-balls?

2. Will he have difeerent colored clothing (if you can change colors) or will he be a different trainer? (Like Brendan or Lukas).

These are the questions that haunt me....
:1. Obviously, Red's Pokémon will be able to pick up all the items.
:2. We don't know how costume changes will be implemented yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
they might just make them into shinies
:Highly unlikely, but hey, we can hope. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Special moves ==

Okay, some of the B moves have been revealed. So how should we do this? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I dislike the way the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] article does it. This is a good opportunity for our [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|style editors]] to have a look at it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Soooo... should I ask someone for an overhaul or advice? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Guest Pokémon ==

In one of the videos of the demo version, Electivire can be clearly seen in the background of the electric version of PS2. Since there is no doubt if Electivire is in the background, please do not remove this information. If you need a source, I'll try to find the video. [[User:Deoxys911|Deoxys911]] 19:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Find the video! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or a picture at least. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... They tell me Electivire is on a GamePro video, in case anybody wants to investigate. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you find the video and tell me the name of the site that I can find it on? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== {{p|Torchic}} ==
What attack does Torchic use? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I thik it's Heat wave. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Cover==

I don't think thats the real cover. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was on Nintendo's press site so it's not likely to be fake. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proof for Entei ==

Entei can be seen in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZjBNfJXw5U this video]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

People swear both Latios and Latias are in the game as expected. I'm sure there are more videos that show them, but the only one I have seen is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo this one]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fake two me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::=-? Why doubting Latios and Latias when you know it's their turn to appear? My only question is what are their moves supposed to be and whether they come from their own Poké Balls. If somebody knows the answer, then add them to the article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]]

:I think Gardevoir might be confirmed too. That... whitish thing walking around. I could swear that's Gardevoir, but meh. (anywhoo, favorite Pokeymanz semi-confirmed?! Do want!) Oh well - if it is fake (I haven't played the games, to be honest..) oh well. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::^_^ True, that's indeed Gardevoir. I don't know what is it doing, though. From what I've heard, it protects its Trainer inside that psychic ball. A Light Screen? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It kinda looks real. I may have been filmed at E3 or something like that --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_for_All E for All], the spiritual successor of the open-to-all-public E3. Gardevoir was also spotted in [http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/RainXion/20216_n20071010_18_smashx_02.jpg this picture]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Yea, Gardevoir is pretty safe to say confirmed. But as for Entei, I think that the videa is fake. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Now, I couldn't find Entei.. because I was reading Mr. Resetti's text. We should put down Gardevoir as confirmed, or atleast semi-confirmed. (It'd be rockin' to have Gardevoir as a playable char, yknow... :o) I think the attack it uses is either {{m|Protect}}, {{m|Light Screen}} or {{m|Reflect}}. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 19:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::Umm thaaats just a formless blur, it isnt comfirmed at all! [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::: It has been confirmed by people who have actually played the demo, such as in the link I posted below. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Just because it isn't reported by the site, doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY not confirmed. Come on guys. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::yeah nevermind sorry I just had to watch the video, the picture is just a mad image though. [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually only Latios was seen in the E for All video, Latias hasn't been mentioned yet.

OK that makes more sence. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Princess peach ==

I heard a rumor that Princess peach is making a guest appearance in and upcoming episode of Pokémon.
If that's true whether she be added to this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:That rumour is completely false. But even if she did appear, she would still count as a product of the Mario universe so not be worth mentioning on this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then

== Excuse me... ==

How can it be Latias and Latios!? Only one Pokémon can come out of a Pokéball! [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:This game can ignore that little detail for the sake of gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I never read that update in the DOjo. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was not a Dojo update, but a gameplay video made by fans. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

::I could have sworn at some point in the anime 2 Pokemon could be in one Pokeball. I mean, you can put food in there, and even other Pokeballs. I don't see why not. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

----

Excuse my rudeness, but don't Mantine (with Remoraid), Slowbro and Slowking (both with Shellder) kind of disprove the "one Pokemon per ball" thing?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Not really. The Pokémon that are attached don't really do anything - thus, it's really just "okay, whatever". {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wailord? ==
At the bottom of http://www.zeldawiki.org/Pok%C3%A9_Ball , they say {{p|Wailord}} is going to be a Poké Ball Pokémon. Anyone have any other proff? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard it was a stage. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I'll look into that... --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've had a look around and [http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml this article] mentions a blue whale in the demo but it could be Kyogre. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Wait. I think they '''''thought''''' was Wailord, but as shown on a video on the offical Brawl Website, it's Kyogre. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
Someone put up Bonsly as a Pokemon and gave the Boomb om desperation. We should problay lock this page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the need to lock the article at this time. It isn't suffering from vandalism and it's certainly useful to keep it open in case the Dojo has a Pokémon update.
:Anyway, you can see Bonsly at the beginning of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UNOL28vUkg this video]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I see no Bonsly. I do see a Chaos Emerald [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:I saw it, but it was extremely small. Maybe you should slow it down? [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
If you say so but it's mean doing that to Bonsly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's Bonsly. Pause it on the first second and look to the left of the box on the stage. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK what ever. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonsly dos not exploid. It said so on the Dojo [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 08:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:More correctly, "the Dojo doesn't say Bonsly explodes". Man, you haven't said anything accurate in all this Bonsly talk. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If he exploded don't you think they would have said so, maybe the Bonsly stepped on a MSB or a Gooie Boomb. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, maybe if he isn't picked up, it'll explode??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thas a Bob-om. At least I am traying to help [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude is says on serebii all about it even has a crystal clear photo and it shows what it does...--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Serbil gets it's info form the Dojo. Just Saying. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BONSLY AT THE DOJO! Very heavy yet Brock can hold it.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, size and weight are pretty screwed up in the anime, so...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::According to the Pokédex, Bonsly are only about 33 pounds. Not overly heavy, actually. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a bit much to be constantly carrying around. It'd certainly suck to have someone throw a 30-pound rock at you, in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Mabie this Bonsly eats donuts. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Given that Bonsly didn't go up on the dojo until shortly before Cerberus made that comment, why is such a big deal being made about it? The article reflects the dojo now. Go find something more relevant to discuss. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hay, what do I have to do with Bonsly? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆

== Electivire ==
Can I have the proof that Electivire is in the game? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Nope. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've heard from multiple people that websites confirm Electivire, but like [[User:Mr.lol]], I want to see '''concreate''' proof!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:You spelled concrete wrong. God you guys, you don't have to be so stubborn about proof. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, we can't just confirm something without proof. If you could, we could say, ''Oh yea, every Pokémon is going to be this game!'' You need a source to confirm your assumptions. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, duh. But I mean.. people don't have to be STUBBORN. I like having proof that xxxx is in the game, but if there isn't I don't go screeching about it. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Brendan??? ==
Look at the Pokémon Trainer in the far right back of this picture:
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]

It's [[Brendan]]!!!! [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's Red with a clothe similar to Brendan's clothes in Emerald.--'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think this hints at the alternate colors of the Pokémon trainer. Since he's like, using the same Pokémon and stuff. :p {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course yes. Like Pikachu wearing googles. --'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourmy but cool[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆
:Yeah, this is just showing us one of Pokémon Trainer's colour changes. Like the Metaknight screenshot in the recent wifi "with others" update. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Magikarp ==

[[Image:Magikarp in ssbb.JPG|thumb|300px|Its blurry, but try watching the video.]]My cousin wanted to show this.

It proves only the Magikarp is in the game he could be playable. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh, wtf would people want to play as Magikarp? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah! Lets see it's attacks! Slash! Tackle! And Flail! woo hoo[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''0''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

1 I was making a point 2 Joke charterer like Mr G&W 3 Magikaprs final smash Gyarados. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:If it's from Subspace Emissary, it's probably a very weak enemy...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Like Goomba? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Yea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thats funny [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:It's not Magikarp - it has tentacles for one thing. That creature is probably just another member of the Primid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it is a fish. When I rewatched the video, it's head seemed messed up. It looked purple.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a fish. That particular level is underwater so seeing a fish there isn't unusual. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So now we are sure that it is not Magikarp. Okay! End of story.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Magikarp. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:THOSE AREN'T TENTACLES!!! Magikarp has whiskers! And how the heck is that PURPLE!!!??? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 01:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:129Magikarp.png|50px]][[Image:129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1b 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1y 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 1g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2s 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2c 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3r 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 3e 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3f 129.png|50px]]
:Um, are you freaking paying attention? We're saying it's NOT Magikarp because it has a purple/blue head.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a Carp [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

What the hell? "It has a purple/blue head"?? It's red! The only blue thing in that pic is the background! Aren't you seeing the red thing in the middle of the pic? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we wate untill you have a better pick. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual the video on the dojo. That is not a Magikarp! --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Pic==
I found this pic online, can you really play as Meowth?
http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/912310_2.jpg

i don't think so [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That pic is a fake. I check on the SSBB website everyday and they didn't even mention half of these characters. Meowth is a Poké Ball Pokémon and Waluigi is an assist trophy so they can't possibly characters. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 02:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

How is that guy under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

that pic is 100% fake because it has Waluigi in it and he was announced as a support guy '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also on IGN, the selection page was completely white.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}}05:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't even look like the character select screen. It is a fake, and an old one at that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course the big piece of evidence that shows how old and fake this is is the lack of Ike/Pokémon Trainer/Lucas/Dedede. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Also Sanke, Mii and Ike. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Snake is in there, I did mention Ike and nothing to do with the Mii has been confirmed thus far. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Probally I'm wrong or getting mad, but, is that Batman next to Snake? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:''By golly, you got it!'' Yea, what's that about??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I'm NOT getting mad?? That's Batman??? O.O'' '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's Black Shadow feom F-Zero. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Oh, well it sure does look like Batman! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

the rest of him don't pluse he is a bad guy. Who is under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::It's supposed to be Zero Suit Samus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's NOT zero suit Samus, you Idiot, It's DARK Samus!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the Blob --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have told him nicely. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I got it it's Chaos. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey, it's not as if it is a very clear picture. It's some form of Samus and blue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I ''think'' it says 0 Samus.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It says "D. Samus." Anyway, why are we getting into arguments over a fake image anyway?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Magikarp and another one! ==

The most recent Video of Subspace has somthing very supspicious: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html. I think Magikarp is an enemy! Rayquaza is definitly as boss as seen here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html -quick Man
P.S Can someone teach me to make a sig?

I saw Magikarp too!
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 03:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:So did I, though I think that it's just a PokéBall Pokémon and can just be hit away, like Chansey in Melee. But let's not add speculation! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is already covered. Rayquaza's boss status is mentioned on the relevent pages and that creature is not a Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Dude, that totally is Magikarp! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A Magicarp If I eva did see one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual video on the dojo. There is no way that that fish is supposed to be Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Questions ==
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]
The Trainer and Pokemon will change colors (I saw a officail Picture of a Brendan looking Red with a green bulb Ivysaur).-Quick Man
:Not really much of a question, but yes, Red will change colors as will his Pokémon. We know two colors so far. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Here is a picture of the Pokémon Trainer looking like Brendan: --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Red, with different colors. Sure his outfit LOOKS like Emerald Brendan. But it isn't. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Does this mean he'll also look like Gold and Lucas? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Probably, although I bet it's limited to pallet swaps.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Stickers ==

:Hey, here's a novelty: let's have a discussion about the actual article.

:I've been thinking about stickers and am wondering how we are going to implement the information on it here. Take a look at the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html Spectator Mode] coverage on the official site: Not only does it promise to "be passing out stickers left and right" but the likes of Silver the Hedgehog managed to be a sticker in the game. This suggests that we are likely to see a lot of stickers from the Pokémon universe. So is it going to fill up the page as a big list? And if we continue to list every little detail on the template, then it is going to be massive!

:We've got a bit of time to go before the release but it is worth thinking about --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I say gloss over the stickers, since there could be 500+ stickers, one for every Pokémon. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no guarantee of that, though. And I think they'd include a few humans and items as well as Pokémon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's any substantial number of stickers, put the description on the Pokémon species page. If there's not too many, perhaps a list of trophies and a list of stickers that feature Pokémon things should be made. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Celebi Sticker Brawl.jpg|right|200px]]
:A Celebi sticker was revealed today. I uploaded a pic of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::Do we really need that picture? More importantly, this update just threw everything we thought we knew about stickers on its head. We have to cover them now. At least I fixed the template. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
Does anybody know what form Deoxys will be? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Attack was revealled so far.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will probably just be the attack form. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool if defense form Deoxys would just be a wall, invincible to attacks. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::That would be pointless since all Poké Ball Pokémon are immune to attacks anyway and are supposed to have some effect on the battle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
All 4 would be cool [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::But we already have one and there's nearly 500 of the things eager for some representation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true. Like Tarous [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Jan 12. Edit on Dojo ==
[[Image:LatiosTrophy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Look closely.....]]
Toady, they released some pics of a ''Challenger'' mode thing. If you look carefully, you can see a shilouette of a Latios/Latias trophy. You can also see that there is going to be a ''Pink Ball Repulsion'' challenge to unlock such trophy. Do you think that this challenge is related to Pokémon? And where should we put this info????{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Its Metaknights ship the Halberd, I mean if you think about it they do sort of have the same shape in a way. But yeah thats Metaknights ship since its featured in the event match.
[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

:In addition, in ''Kirby of the Stars'', Dedede and Escargon often call Kirby a "Pink Ball" as a derogatory name. Since he looks like a pink ball with feet.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::We are getting a topic here people. It is that trophy is a Pokémon I don't think it's noticeable to me are we going to do every time there is a Pigey in the background. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All the Poké Ball Pokémon will get trophies anyway. And the "Pink Ball" event is described [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various16.html here]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the mission your talking about is in here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html Your meta knight fighting kirby. Also, that is most likly a tropy of the Halbred--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats what I said before its an event match for Kirby's universe so Pokémon won't be a part of it ok? That trophy is the Halberd like I stated before. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

== Legendary questions ==

So {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} (w00t) have been confirmed to appear in Brawl. Friggin' sweet, but Shaymin hasn't even been officially introduced to the Japanese D/P fan base yet (unless you count Brawl itself), and neither have been introduced to English-speaking countries. Will this mean that Shaymin events all around the world and Darkrai events for English players be held to help kill all confusion as to who these Pokémon are, or will they be cut from the finalized English versions?

As for Latios and Latias, just the other day the article said that the two are released from the same Poké Ball, fly to opposite ends of the stage, and meet in the middle. But now, it says all that ''and'' that only Latios has been confirmed. Clearly, Latias has been confirmed if we know so much about what happens when the Poké Ball is thrown, has she not? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

:Listen I have actually seen the video with Latios in it and only Latios comes out of the Poké Ball alright?

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo Look Latios Appears at 0.50 okay?] Unsigned comment by {{u|Big Johnno}}
::That is one video. The demo was released to multiple game journalists who report seeing both. Gimpyfish played it constantly at E For All and in his impressions [http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329 he reports seeing both]. Until we get more solid information, the evidence is at both being featured in the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::To answer the first question, no they aren't suddenly going to give away the unobtainables. Shaymin will be revealed in the next Coro Coro and then be given away in Japan when the movie comes out. Darkrai will soon be revealed on Pokemon.com with the revelation of the movie and MD sequel. The big question is what the English translation will do with Shaymin and NoA might not even have that answer yet.
:::But when was Darkrai confirmed? It seems odd that it wouldn't have been mentioned when we knew of Shaymin immediately. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I heard, but I forgot the name, that Darkrai was revealed at the same place Garchomp was revealed.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 16:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Jumpfesta? That's not even what it says in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::No nevermind. Not Jumpfesta. The thing had a capital E in it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::E for All is probably what you're thinking of (it's the only event with a capital E in it that Brawl appeared at). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yea that's it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl==

Copied and Pasted straight from GameFAQs.

"[http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/ (A video from Offical Nintendo Wii Website (Japanese)]

Check around 4:20 in the lower-right-hand corner that shows who you can use the stickers on. Lucario's and Ness's heads appear in separate images:

Lucario:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip439380np6.jpg (Check the corner)]

Ness:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iup542612bd3.jpg (Check the corner)]

Enjoy."

Make sure you watch the video on the website, not the video on YouTube and such.

Epic.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Damn my ignorance! The links to the pictures are there, you just have to open the edit function to see them.

Well spotted, but they might also be leading to another section of stickers, plus people have been saying they saw Lucario come out of a Poké Ball.
::But in the Sticker Power Up update on the DOJO, it shows Kirby, Meta-Knight, and Dedede when the Cook Kirby sticker is highlighted. I believe this is real. That would be three pictures following the pattern.
:::We'll see. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Be patient.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I remembered something! In the video, it shows the Klaptrap Sticker, but when the hand hovers over it, it shows no one. If the above "leading to a selection of stickers" hypothesis is correct, where are Donkey Kong and Diddy on the bar next to the discription for the Klaptrap sticker?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

EVERYONE! JUST BE PATIENT! PLEASE DO NOT ADD LUCARIO OR JIGGLYPUFF TO THE PAGE UNTILL SOMETHING IS CONFIRMED ON THE DOJO! AT THE MOMENT ITS NOTHING BUT RUMOR AND SPECULATION OKAY?
:Well, I admit I went and added the info the {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Lucario}} and those haven't been edited back yet. I'm not trying to create an Edit War; I'm not "readding" the information to the Brawl Page. Coincidentally, I s'pose this means that Mewtwo isn't in Brawl, similar to what Serebii was hinting at..--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Mewtwo was terrible, i would love to see him get replaced with Lucario. but does Lucario have enough popularity to become a playable character? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well on img there was a debate going on about who should be in brawl? Mewtwo or Lucario, despite Mewtwo having a bigger fan base, most have agreed, Lucario would be better in close combat. But still please don't add anything!

UNCONFIRMED Zeta...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just an update: theres now a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWeNgxfbLU YouTube Version of the video that the leak came from]. Apparently, someone learned of the leak, and the video on Wii.com was changed.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oy... No one knows what i'm talking about nowadays.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Jigglypuff is in the game... AND I WANT VISUAL EVIDENCE...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, I know what you mean. There could be some contrived way that Lucario isn't going to be playable, and that the DOJO or other, 100% infalliable confirmation should be recieved. I was just making sure the information was still listed on this page, with reliable videos. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. And Pokemaniac, if you look at the YouTube Vid or the pictures that have been put on Bulbanews, you can see Jigglypuff next to Lucario. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait........Why are we fighting? And are we sure that those images at the bottom are players?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I didn't think we were fighting. I'd call it a 99% true thing. Also in the (non-edited) Video, it shows that two Sonic Stickers and only Sonic listed where the character Icons are. Not to mention the entire Ness thing.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::K... End of Discussion! But Zeta or any other admin will probably not UNprotect the article.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And it has been protected without a time limit.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll see. The article should be protected until the release date, no longer. I changed it so we don't forget to do so manually. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I just say, Whoopie! [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you there Cerberus, this is one of the best news in ages! YIPEE KI YAY![[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

D*** YOU, LUCARIO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT MEWTWO BEING CUT! I am sorry for the Caps abuse but I am a huge mewtwo player in melee, he's my best and favoritwe charecter, you see, some pepole DO like mewtwo better than lucario.

wait a minute, light bulb! Maybe that certain game didn't unlock mewtwo and/or pichu and/or any other playable pokemon!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 12:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo or Pichu ==

I don't think it's necessary to mention Mewtwo's or Pichu's fate yet. No matter how well foundated, it's just an assumption as of January 21st. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha? Of course Mewtwo is coming back and Pichu is not. But we need proth. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::What? No, Lucario IS this generations Mewtwo....Mewtwo's not coming back....and Pokémon Trainer replaced Pichu. Why don't we move this to forums???? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of the leak, that looks to be the final Pokémon lineup. Besides which, Serebii already said that Lucario replaces Mewtwo and he just confirmed on his site today that he does have insider information on the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I guess I'll believe Serebii. I just think that part needs a better wording anyway, possibly by not mentioning Mewtwo or Pichu. If some administrator can edit it, it would be nice. It's good that the article is locked BTW. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Make up you're mind weather of not Serebii is reliable or not. We can't jump to conclusions. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:If anything, Mewtwo and Pichu are unconfirmed for being playable or not. Ness is in Brawl, and Lucas takes most, if not all, of his powers. Wait it out. We will see! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What dos ness have to do with this? Also maybe that was story mode and Mewtwo is doing somthing else at the time. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone figured that Ness would be out because Lucas was in. Same difference with Mewtwo and Lucario. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should ice this for now. Just see what happens. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Manaphy]] ==

This is great. How come Manphy is not on the page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most likely because the article is fully protected and an administrator is not around to make additions. It'll be added soon enough. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-01-22T12:33:52Z

Quick Man: /* Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl */

== Questions ==
I have a few questions about Red.

1. Does Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard have the ability to pick up poke-balls?

2. Will he have difeerent colored clothing (if you can change colors) or will he be a different trainer? (Like Brendan or Lukas).

These are the questions that haunt me....
:1. Obviously, Red's Pokémon will be able to pick up all the items.
:2. We don't know how costume changes will be implemented yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
they might just make them into shinies
:Highly unlikely, but hey, we can hope. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Special moves ==

Okay, some of the B moves have been revealed. So how should we do this? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I dislike the way the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] article does it. This is a good opportunity for our [[Bulbapedia:Editorial board|style editors]] to have a look at it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Soooo... should I ask someone for an overhaul or advice? [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Guest Pokémon ==

In one of the videos of the demo version, Electivire can be clearly seen in the background of the electric version of PS2. Since there is no doubt if Electivire is in the background, please do not remove this information. If you need a source, I'll try to find the video. [[User:Deoxys911|Deoxys911]] 19:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Find the video! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or a picture at least. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... They tell me Electivire is on a GamePro video, in case anybody wants to investigate. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you find the video and tell me the name of the site that I can find it on? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== {{p|Torchic}} ==
What attack does Torchic use? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I thik it's Heat wave. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Cover==

I don't think thats the real cover. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was on Nintendo's press site so it's not likely to be fake. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proof for Entei ==

Entei can be seen in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZjBNfJXw5U this video]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

People swear both Latios and Latias are in the game as expected. I'm sure there are more videos that show them, but the only one I have seen is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo this one]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fake two me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::=-? Why doubting Latios and Latias when you know it's their turn to appear? My only question is what are their moves supposed to be and whether they come from their own Poké Balls. If somebody knows the answer, then add them to the article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]]

:I think Gardevoir might be confirmed too. That... whitish thing walking around. I could swear that's Gardevoir, but meh. (anywhoo, favorite Pokeymanz semi-confirmed?! Do want!) Oh well - if it is fake (I haven't played the games, to be honest..) oh well. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::^_^ True, that's indeed Gardevoir. I don't know what is it doing, though. From what I've heard, it protects its Trainer inside that psychic ball. A Light Screen? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It kinda looks real. I may have been filmed at E3 or something like that --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_for_All E for All], the spiritual successor of the open-to-all-public E3. Gardevoir was also spotted in [http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/RainXion/20216_n20071010_18_smashx_02.jpg this picture]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Yea, Gardevoir is pretty safe to say confirmed. But as for Entei, I think that the videa is fake. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Now, I couldn't find Entei.. because I was reading Mr. Resetti's text. We should put down Gardevoir as confirmed, or atleast semi-confirmed. (It'd be rockin' to have Gardevoir as a playable char, yknow... :o) I think the attack it uses is either {{m|Protect}}, {{m|Light Screen}} or {{m|Reflect}}. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 19:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::Umm thaaats just a formless blur, it isnt comfirmed at all! [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::: It has been confirmed by people who have actually played the demo, such as in the link I posted below. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Just because it isn't reported by the site, doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY not confirmed. Come on guys. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 17:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::yeah nevermind sorry I just had to watch the video, the picture is just a mad image though. [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|P]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|F]][[User:Kpokefan/Cal|☆]] 17:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually only Latios was seen in the E for All video, Latias hasn't been mentioned yet.

OK that makes more sence. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Princess peach ==

I heard a rumor that Princess peach is making a guest appearance in and upcoming episode of Pokémon.
If that's true whether she be added to this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:That rumour is completely false. But even if she did appear, she would still count as a product of the Mario universe so not be worth mentioning on this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then

== Excuse me... ==

How can it be Latias and Latios!? Only one Pokémon can come out of a Pokéball! [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:This game can ignore that little detail for the sake of gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I never read that update in the DOjo. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was not a Dojo update, but a gameplay video made by fans. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

::I could have sworn at some point in the anime 2 Pokemon could be in one Pokeball. I mean, you can put food in there, and even other Pokeballs. I don't see why not. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

----

Excuse my rudeness, but don't Mantine (with Remoraid), Slowbro and Slowking (both with Shellder) kind of disprove the "one Pokemon per ball" thing?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Not really. The Pokémon that are attached don't really do anything - thus, it's really just "okay, whatever". {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wailord? ==
At the bottom of http://www.zeldawiki.org/Pok%C3%A9_Ball , they say {{p|Wailord}} is going to be a Poké Ball Pokémon. Anyone have any other proff? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard it was a stage. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I'll look into that... --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've had a look around and [http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-with-super-smash-bros-brawl-48983.phtml this article] mentions a blue whale in the demo but it could be Kyogre. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Wait. I think they '''''thought''''' was Wailord, but as shown on a video on the offical Brawl Website, it's Kyogre. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
Someone put up Bonsly as a Pokemon and gave the Boomb om desperation. We should problay lock this page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the need to lock the article at this time. It isn't suffering from vandalism and it's certainly useful to keep it open in case the Dojo has a Pokémon update.
:Anyway, you can see Bonsly at the beginning of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UNOL28vUkg this video]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I see no Bonsly. I do see a Chaos Emerald [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:I saw it, but it was extremely small. Maybe you should slow it down? [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
If you say so but it's mean doing that to Bonsly. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's Bonsly. Pause it on the first second and look to the left of the box on the stage. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK what ever. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonsly dos not exploid. It said so on the Dojo [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 08:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:More correctly, "the Dojo doesn't say Bonsly explodes". Man, you haven't said anything accurate in all this Bonsly talk. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If he exploded don't you think they would have said so, maybe the Bonsly stepped on a MSB or a Gooie Boomb. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, maybe if he isn't picked up, it'll explode??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thas a Bob-om. At least I am traying to help [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude is says on serebii all about it even has a crystal clear photo and it shows what it does...--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Serbil gets it's info form the Dojo. Just Saying. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BONSLY AT THE DOJO! Very heavy yet Brock can hold it.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, size and weight are pretty screwed up in the anime, so...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::According to the Pokédex, Bonsly are only about 33 pounds. Not overly heavy, actually. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a bit much to be constantly carrying around. It'd certainly suck to have someone throw a 30-pound rock at you, in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Mabie this Bonsly eats donuts. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Given that Bonsly didn't go up on the dojo until shortly before Cerberus made that comment, why is such a big deal being made about it? The article reflects the dojo now. Go find something more relevant to discuss. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hay, what do I have to do with Bonsly? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆

== Electivire ==
Can I have the proof that Electivire is in the game? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Nope. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've heard from multiple people that websites confirm Electivire, but like [[User:Mr.lol]], I want to see '''concreate''' proof!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:You spelled concrete wrong. God you guys, you don't have to be so stubborn about proof. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, we can't just confirm something without proof. If you could, we could say, ''Oh yea, every Pokémon is going to be this game!'' You need a source to confirm your assumptions. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, duh. But I mean.. people don't have to be STUBBORN. I like having proof that xxxx is in the game, but if there isn't I don't go screeching about it. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Brendan??? ==
Look at the Pokémon Trainer in the far right back of this picture:
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]

It's [[Brendan]]!!!! [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's Red with a clothe similar to Brendan's clothes in Emerald.--'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think this hints at the alternate colors of the Pokémon trainer. Since he's like, using the same Pokémon and stuff. :p {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course yes. Like Pikachu wearing googles. --'''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourmy but cool[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆
:Yeah, this is just showing us one of Pokémon Trainer's colour changes. Like the Metaknight screenshot in the recent wifi "with others" update. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Magikarp ==

[[Image:Magikarp in ssbb.JPG|thumb|300px|Its blurry, but try watching the video.]]My cousin wanted to show this.

It proves only the Magikarp is in the game he could be playable. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh, wtf would people want to play as Magikarp? {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah! Lets see it's attacks! Slash! Tackle! And Flail! woo hoo[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''0''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

1 I was making a point 2 Joke charterer like Mr G&W 3 Magikaprs final smash Gyarados. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:If it's from Subspace Emissary, it's probably a very weak enemy...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Like Goomba? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Yea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thats funny [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:It's not Magikarp - it has tentacles for one thing. That creature is probably just another member of the Primid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it is a fish. When I rewatched the video, it's head seemed messed up. It looked purple.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a fish. That particular level is underwater so seeing a fish there isn't unusual. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So now we are sure that it is not Magikarp. Okay! End of story.[[Image:Ani386NMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 16:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Magikarp. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:THOSE AREN'T TENTACLES!!! Magikarp has whiskers! And how the heck is that PURPLE!!!??? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 01:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:129Magikarp.png|50px]][[Image:129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1b 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 1y 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 1g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2g 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2s 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 2c 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3r 129.png|50px]][[Image:Spr 3e 129.gif|50px]][[Image:Spr 3f 129.png|50px]]
:Um, are you freaking paying attention? We're saying it's NOT Magikarp because it has a purple/blue head.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a Carp [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

What the hell? "It has a purple/blue head"?? It's red! The only blue thing in that pic is the background! Aren't you seeing the red thing in the middle of the pic? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we wate untill you have a better pick. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual the video on the dojo. That is not a Magikarp! --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Pic==
I found this pic online, can you really play as Meowth?
http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/912310_2.jpg

i don't think so [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That pic is a fake. I check on the SSBB website everyday and they didn't even mention half of these characters. Meowth is a Poké Ball Pokémon and Waluigi is an assist trophy so they can't possibly characters. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 02:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

How is that guy under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

that pic is 100% fake because it has Waluigi in it and he was announced as a support guy '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also on IGN, the selection page was completely white.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}}05:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't even look like the character select screen. It is a fake, and an old one at that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course the big piece of evidence that shows how old and fake this is is the lack of Ike/Pokémon Trainer/Lucas/Dedede. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Also Sanke, Mii and Ike. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::::Snake is in there, I did mention Ike and nothing to do with the Mii has been confirmed thus far. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Probally I'm wrong or getting mad, but, is that Batman next to Snake? '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:''By golly, you got it!'' Yea, what's that about??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I'm NOT getting mad?? That's Batman??? O.O'' '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's Black Shadow feom F-Zero. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:Oh, well it sure does look like Batman! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 03:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

the rest of him don't pluse he is a bad guy. Who is under Link? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::It's supposed to be Zero Suit Samus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's NOT zero suit Samus, you Idiot, It's DARK Samus!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the Blob --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have told him nicely. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I got it it's Chaos. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey, it's not as if it is a very clear picture. It's some form of Samus and blue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I ''think'' it says 0 Samus.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It says "D. Samus." Anyway, why are we getting into arguments over a fake image anyway?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Magikarp and another one! ==

The most recent Video of Subspace has somthing very supspicious: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html. I think Magikarp is an enemy! Rayquaza is definitly as boss as seen here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html -quick Man
P.S Can someone teach me to make a sig?

I saw Magikarp too!
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 03:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:So did I, though I think that it's just a PokéBall Pokémon and can just be hit away, like Chansey in Melee. But let's not add speculation! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::This is already covered. Rayquaza's boss status is mentioned on the relevent pages and that creature is not a Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Dude, that totally is Magikarp! --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A Magicarp If I eva did see one. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Look at it in the actual video on the dojo. There is no way that that fish is supposed to be Magikarp. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Questions ==
[[Image:Brendan Brawl.jpg|right|thumb]]
The Trainer and Pokemon will change colors (I saw a officail Picture of a Brendan looking Red with a green bulb Ivysaur).-Quick Man
:Not really much of a question, but yes, Red will change colors as will his Pokémon. We know two colors so far. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Here is a picture of the Pokémon Trainer looking like Brendan: --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Red, with different colors. Sure his outfit LOOKS like Emerald Brendan. But it isn't. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Does this mean he'll also look like Gold and Lucas? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani483MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani484MS.gif]]
[[User:Yinyang1195|'''1''''''1''''''9''''''5''']][[Image:Ani487MS.gif]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''TALK''']] 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Probably, although I bet it's limited to pallet swaps.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Stickers ==

:Hey, here's a novelty: let's have a discussion about the actual article.

:I've been thinking about stickers and am wondering how we are going to implement the information on it here. Take a look at the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html Spectator Mode] coverage on the official site: Not only does it promise to "be passing out stickers left and right" but the likes of Silver the Hedgehog managed to be a sticker in the game. This suggests that we are likely to see a lot of stickers from the Pokémon universe. So is it going to fill up the page as a big list? And if we continue to list every little detail on the template, then it is going to be massive!

:We've got a bit of time to go before the release but it is worth thinking about --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::I say gloss over the stickers, since there could be 500+ stickers, one for every Pokémon. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no guarantee of that, though. And I think they'd include a few humans and items as well as Pokémon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's any substantial number of stickers, put the description on the Pokémon species page. If there's not too many, perhaps a list of trophies and a list of stickers that feature Pokémon things should be made. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Celebi Sticker Brawl.jpg|right|200px]]
:A Celebi sticker was revealed today. I uploaded a pic of it. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::Do we really need that picture? More importantly, this update just threw everything we thought we knew about stickers on its head. We have to cover them now. At least I fixed the template. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
Does anybody know what form Deoxys will be? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Attack was revealled so far.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::It will probably just be the attack form. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool if defense form Deoxys would just be a wall, invincible to attacks. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::That would be pointless since all Poké Ball Pokémon are immune to attacks anyway and are supposed to have some effect on the battle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
All 4 would be cool [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
::But we already have one and there's nearly 500 of the things eager for some representation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true. Like Tarous [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

== Jan 12. Edit on Dojo ==
[[Image:LatiosTrophy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Look closely.....]]
Toady, they released some pics of a ''Challenger'' mode thing. If you look carefully, you can see a shilouette of a Latios/Latias trophy. You can also see that there is going to be a ''Pink Ball Repulsion'' challenge to unlock such trophy. Do you think that this challenge is related to Pokémon? And where should we put this info????{{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 12:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Its Metaknights ship the Halberd, I mean if you think about it they do sort of have the same shape in a way. But yeah thats Metaknights ship since its featured in the event match.
[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

:In addition, in ''Kirby of the Stars'', Dedede and Escargon often call Kirby a "Pink Ball" as a derogatory name. Since he looks like a pink ball with feet.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::We are getting a topic here people. It is that trophy is a Pokémon I don't think it's noticeable to me are we going to do every time there is a Pigey in the background. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All the Poké Ball Pokémon will get trophies anyway. And the "Pink Ball" event is described [http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various16.html here]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the mission your talking about is in here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html Your meta knight fighting kirby. Also, that is most likly a tropy of the Halbred--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats what I said before its an event match for Kirby's universe so Pokémon won't be a part of it ok? That trophy is the Halberd like I stated before. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]]

== Legendary questions ==

So {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} (w00t) have been confirmed to appear in Brawl. Friggin' sweet, but Shaymin hasn't even been officially introduced to the Japanese D/P fan base yet (unless you count Brawl itself), and neither have been introduced to English-speaking countries. Will this mean that Shaymin events all around the world and Darkrai events for English players be held to help kill all confusion as to who these Pokémon are, or will they be cut from the finalized English versions?

As for Latios and Latias, just the other day the article said that the two are released from the same Poké Ball, fly to opposite ends of the stage, and meet in the middle. But now, it says all that ''and'' that only Latios has been confirmed. Clearly, Latias has been confirmed if we know so much about what happens when the Poké Ball is thrown, has she not? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

:Listen I have actually seen the video with Latios in it and only Latios comes out of the Poké Ball alright?

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCm2BHaoHZo Look Latios Appears at 0.50 okay?] Unsigned comment by {{u|Big Johnno}}
::That is one video. The demo was released to multiple game journalists who report seeing both. Gimpyfish played it constantly at E For All and in his impressions [http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329 he reports seeing both]. Until we get more solid information, the evidence is at both being featured in the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::To answer the first question, no they aren't suddenly going to give away the unobtainables. Shaymin will be revealed in the next Coro Coro and then be given away in Japan when the movie comes out. Darkrai will soon be revealed on Pokemon.com with the revelation of the movie and MD sequel. The big question is what the English translation will do with Shaymin and NoA might not even have that answer yet.
:::But when was Darkrai confirmed? It seems odd that it wouldn't have been mentioned when we knew of Shaymin immediately. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I heard, but I forgot the name, that Darkrai was revealed at the same place Garchomp was revealed.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 16:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Jumpfesta? That's not even what it says in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::No nevermind. Not Jumpfesta. The thing had a capital E in it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::E for All is probably what you're thinking of (it's the only event with a capital E in it that Brawl appeared at). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yea that's it.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lucario (And Ness) Confirmed for Brawl==

Copied and Pasted straight from GameFAQs.

"[http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/ (A video from Offical Nintendo Wii Website (Japanese)]

Check around 4:20 in the lower-right-hand corner that shows who you can use the stickers on. Lucario's and Ness's heads appear in separate images:

Lucario:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip439380np6.jpg (Check the corner)]

Ness:

[http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iup542612bd3.jpg (Check the corner)]

Enjoy."

Make sure you watch the video on the website, not the video on YouTube and such.

Epic.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Damn my ignorance! The links to the pictures are there, you just have to open the edit function to see them.

Well spotted, but they might also be leading to another section of stickers, plus people have been saying they saw Lucario come out of a Poké Ball.
::But in the Sticker Power Up update on the DOJO, it shows Kirby, Meta-Knight, and Dedede when the Cook Kirby sticker is highlighted. I believe this is real. That would be three pictures following the pattern.
:::We'll see. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Be patient.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 04:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I remembered something! In the video, it shows the Klaptrap Sticker, but when the hand hovers over it, it shows no one. If the above "leading to a selection of stickers" hypothesis is correct, where are Donkey Kong and Diddy on the bar next to the discription for the Klaptrap sticker?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

EVERYONE! JUST BE PATIENT! PLEASE DO NOT ADD LUCARIO OR JIGGLYPUFF TO THE PAGE UNTILL SOMETHING IS CONFIRMED ON THE DOJO! AT THE MOMENT ITS NOTHING BUT RUMOR AND SPECULATION OKAY?
:Well, I admit I went and added the info the {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Lucario}} and those haven't been edited back yet. I'm not trying to create an Edit War; I'm not "readding" the information to the Brawl Page. Coincidentally, I s'pose this means that Mewtwo isn't in Brawl, similar to what Serebii was hinting at..--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Mewtwo was terrible, i would love to see him get replaced with Lucario. but does Lucario have enough popularity to become a playable character? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well on img there was a debate going on about who should be in brawl? Mewtwo or Lucario, despite Mewtwo having a bigger fan base, most have agreed, Lucario would be better in close combat. But still please don't add anything!

UNCONFIRMED Zeta...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just an update: theres now a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWeNgxfbLU YouTube Version of the video that the leak came from]. Apparently, someone learned of the leak, and the video on Wii.com was changed.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oy... No one knows what i'm talking about nowadays.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prove that Jigglypuff is in the game... AND I WANT VISUAL EVIDENCE...{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, I know what you mean. There could be some contrived way that Lucario isn't going to be playable, and that the DOJO or other, 100% infalliable confirmation should be recieved. I was just making sure the information was still listed on this page, with reliable videos. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. And Pokemaniac, if you look at the YouTube Vid or the pictures that have been put on Bulbanews, you can see Jigglypuff next to Lucario. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait........Why are we fighting? And are we sure that those images at the bottom are players?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I didn't think we were fighting. I'd call it a 99% true thing. Also in the (non-edited) Video, it shows that two Sonic Stickers and only Sonic listed where the character Icons are. Not to mention the entire Ness thing.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::K... End of Discussion! But Zeta or any other admin will probably not UNprotect the article.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::And it has been protected without a time limit.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 05:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll see. The article should be protected until the release date, no longer. I changed it so we don't forget to do so manually. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I just say, Whoopie! [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you there Cerberus, this is one of the best news in ages! YIPEE KI YAY![[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

D*** YOU, LUCARIO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT MEWTWO BEING CUT! I am sorry for the Caps abuse but I am a huge mewtwo player in melee, he's my best and favoritwe charecter, you see, some pepole DO like mewtwo better than lucario.

== Mewtwo or Pichu ==

I don't think it's necessary to mention Mewtwo's or Pichu's fate yet. No matter how well foundated, it's just an assumption as of January 21st. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha? Of course Mewtwo is coming back and Pichu is not. But we need proth. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::What? No, Lucario IS this generations Mewtwo....Mewtwo's not coming back....and Pokémon Trainer replaced Pichu. Why don't we move this to forums???? {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of the leak, that looks to be the final Pokémon lineup. Besides which, Serebii already said that Lucario replaces Mewtwo and he just confirmed on his site today that he does have insider information on the game. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I guess I'll believe Serebii. I just think that part needs a better wording anyway, possibly by not mentioning Mewtwo or Pichu. If some administrator can edit it, it would be nice. It's good that the article is locked BTW. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Make up you're mind weather of not Serebii is reliable or not. We can't jump to conclusions. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:If anything, Mewtwo and Pichu are unconfirmed for being playable or not. Ness is in Brawl, and Lucas takes most, if not all, of his powers. Wait it out. We will see! {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What dos ness have to do with this? Also maybe that was story mode and Mewtwo is doing somthing else at the time. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone figured that Ness would be out because Lucas was in. Same difference with Mewtwo and Lucario. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should ice this for now. Just see what happens. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Manaphy]] ==

This is great. How come Manphy is not on the page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 11:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most likely because the article is fully protected and an administrator is not around to make additions. It'll be added soon enough. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Quick Man

2008-01-22T12:31:37Z

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Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2008-01-15T14:00:55Z

Quick Man: /* Jan 12. Edit on Dojo */

AG061

2008-01-14T23:43:45Z

Quick Man:

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'''Disaster of Disguise!''' (Japanese: '''仮面のコーディネーター・ファントム登場!!''' ''Enter the Phantom Masked Coordinator!!'') is episode 61 of Advanced Generation. It was first broadcast in Japan on January 29, 2004 and in the United States on December 11, 2004.

{{spoilers}}

= Synopsis =


= Major events =

== Debuts ==
* [[Timmy Grimm]]


= Characters =
== Humans ==
* [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]
* [[May (anime)|May]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Drew]]
* [[Timmy Grimm]]
* [[Mr. Grimm]]
* [[Mrs. Grimm]]


== Pokémon ==


[[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]]: {{p|Chinchou}}

* {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Ash's Pikachu|Ash's]])
* {{p|Meowth}} ([[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket]])
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ([[Jessie's Wobbuffet|Jessie's]])
* {{p|Skitty}} ([[May's Skitty|May's]])
* {{p|Seviper}} ([[Jessie's Seviper|Jessie's]])
* {{p|Cacnea}} ([[James's Cacnea|James's]])
* {{p|Roselia}} ([[Drew's Roselia|Drew's]])
* {{p|Duskull}} (The Phantom/Timmy Grim's; flashback)
* {{p|Dusclops}} (The Phantom/Timmy Grim's)
* {{p|Chansey}} ([[Nurse Joy's Chansey|Joy's]])
* {{p|Delcatty}} (Dr. Abby's; flashback)
* {{p|Dusclops}} (Mr. Grim's; flashback)
* {{p|Poochyena}} (unnamed trainer's)
* {{p|Torchic}} (flashback)

= Trivia =
*The Japanese name of this episode is a spoof of {{wp|Bruce Lee}}'s most famous movie {{wp|Enter the Dragon}}
== Pokémon Trainer's Choice ==
* Question: Trainers, which one of these Pokémon is the best choice to battle {{p|Crawdaunt}}?
* Choices: {{p|Volbeat}}, {{p|Chinchou}}, {{p|Houndour}}
* Answer: Okay, trainers! If you chose {{p|Chinchou}}, you were right!

== Errors ==
== Dub edits ==

= In other languages =
*French: '''{{tt|Fantôme, le coordinateur Pokémon (1ère partie)|Phantom, the Pokémon coordinator (1st part)}}'''
*Portuguese: '''O Desastre do Disfarce'''
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[[ja:AG編第61話]]

AG010

2008-01-11T13:54:00Z

Quick Man:

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title_en=You Said a Mouthful! |
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title_ja_trans=The Greatest Pelipper Show in History! |
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broadcast_jp=January 30, 2003 |
broadcast_us=December 13, 2003 |
en_series=Pokémon Advanced |
en_op=[[I Wanna Be A Hero]] |
ja_op=[[Advance Adventure|アドバンス・アドベンチャー]] |
ja_ed=[[Because the Sky is There|そこに空があるから]] |
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'''You Said a Mouthful!''' (Japanese: '''史上最強のペリッパー現る!!''' ''The Greatest Pelipper Show in History!'') is the tenth episode of Advanced Generation. It was first broadcast in Japan on January 30, 2003 and in the United States on December 13, 2003.

In this episode, Ash and friends arrive at an unofficial Gym, where its leader claims to have the world's most powerful Pokémon.
{{spoilers}}

= Synopsis =

Ash and company arrive at an unofficial Gym, where, according to a billboard, it houses the world's most powerful Pokémon. Unable to pass up a challenge, Ash decides to challenge this Pokémon. As he makes his challenge, a trainer named Anthony arrives to accept the challenge, along with his {{p|Pelipper}}. The rules of the battle are simple: Anthony will only use his Pelipper, while Ash may use as many of his Pokémon as he wished. Ash decides to lead off with [[Ash's Treecko|Treecko]] against Pelipper. As the battle unfolds, Anthony suddenly tells Pelipper to use {{m|Vine Whip}}, which, as Max points out, Pelipper cannot learn (as he contends that Pelipper can only use {{t|Water}}- and {{type2|Flying}} attacks), but sure enough, a pair of vines manage to come out of Pelipper's mouth and trip up Treecko. Max becomes suspicious of Anthony's battling skills, while Ash is forced to withdraw Treecko for [[Ash's Taillow|Taillow]]. As Taillow continues to battle, though, Anthony makes another suspicious move and orders Pelipper to use {{m|Flamethrower}}, which hits Taillow and knocks it out, and once again makes Max feel suspicious. Ash is down to [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]], who he warns to expect the unexpected. Sure enough, when Pikachu uses {{m|Thunder}}, Pelipper is directed to counter with its own Thunder, once again making Max suspicious. However, Pikachu manages to draw even against Pelipper.

Meanwhile, Team Rocket is plotting to steal the Pelipper, and, as they put their plan into motion, they manage to make a {{p|Bellsprout}} fall from Pelipper's mouth as Anthony tries to defend Pelipper with {{m|Water Gun}}, Flamethrower, and {{m|Thunderbolt}} at the same time. Team Rocket learns of Anthony's "winning ways": Pelipper could perform the attacks because in its mouth housed Bellsprout, {{p|Magby}}, and {{p|Magnemite}}, and blackmail Anthony and Pelipper to cooperate on their latest Pokémon-stealing scheme.

At the Pokémon Center, as they are waiting for Ash's team to heal, Max is convinced that Anthony is cheating somehow, while May dismisses it as real-world not matching up with Max's book-smarts. When trainers begin to pour in saying that their Pokémon have been taken by the world's most powerful Pokémon, Ash cannot believe that Anthony would stoop so low as to steal their challenger's Pokémon, though Brock suggests that they had been coerced. Sure enough, when they arrive at the Gym, two promoters (Jessie and James) are promoting a challenge where challengers have to ante up a Pokémon against Pelipper, with the winner taking both Pokémon. As Ash accepts the challenge again to get to the bottom of the situation, staking Pikachu, Jessie and James become worried, as Pikachu has beaten them numerous times before. As a precaution, Jessie and James load up more Poké Balls inside Pelipper, and then puts Meowth inside Pelipper as a "tactical controller".

As the rematch begins, Pelipper starts with Bellsprout's Vine Whip, which Pikachu manages to dodge. Meowth, inside Pelipper, then switches to Magby for a {{m|Smokescreen}}, which soon finds its way into Pelipper's mouth, affecting both Meowth and Magby in addition to Pikachu. As Meowth brings back Bellsprout for a {{m|Razor Leaf}}, Max wanders off and manages to find Anthony, who confesses to having cheated by hiding Poké Balls inside Pelipper's mouth. Meanwhile, Meowth comes up a plan to take down Pikachu: after dowsing it with a {{m|Water Gun}}, it can switch to Magnemite and fire off Thunder to deal more damage to a wet Pikachu. Because he cannot find any stowed Water Pokémon, Meowth chooses to instead use Pelipper itself to fire the Water Gun, but as he does so, Pelipper shoots water everywhere - at not only Pikachu, but Ash, Brock, May, Max, Anthony, Jessie, and James as well, exposing Team Rocket and the Poké Balls (and Meowth) inside Pelipper's mouth. As Team Rocket tries to make their getaway with the stolen Poké Balls, though, they are countered by Pelipper using {{m|Wing Attack}} to free their Poké Ball bag. When Team Rocket tries to take Pikachu as a last resort, Pelipper uses Water Gun to soak the balloon, allowing Pikachu to Thunderbolt through Team Rocket's electricity-proof suits, sending them flying.

The episode ends with Anthony closing up the Gym, and deciding to go straight with Pelipper, as Pelipper was powerful even without the Poké Balls in its mouth.

= Major events =

== Debuts ==

= Characters =
== Humans ==
* [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]
* [[May (anime)|May]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Anthony (Hoenn)|Anthony]]


== Pokémon ==
[[Who’s That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Unown}}
*{{p|Pikachu}} ([[Ash's Pikachu|Ash's]])
*{{p|Meowth}} ([[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket]])
*{{p|Wobbuffet}} ([[Jessie's Wobbuffet|Jessie's]])
*{{p|Taillow}} ([[Ash's Swellow|Ash's]])
*{{p|Treecko}} ([[Ash's Sceptile|Ash's]])
*{{p|Torchic}} ([[May's Blaziken|May's]])
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Quick Man: New section: Misdreavus/Murkrow

==Farfetch'd==
If anything, a Farfetch'd evo should be a Normal/Dark or Dark/Flying ninja. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but im not sure where you are comming from...you mean how he is very elusive and attacks with a stick like a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the leek would become a sword. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::i dont think parents would like that, a Pokemon with a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:It'd be a leek that looks more like a sword. And that's no more violent than a Pokémon with boxing gloves or one that can pretty much shoot missiles. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::alright, i like it, a Dark/Flying, keep the name i got, or what do you think? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Screw the parents, we have Scyther and is anyone going on about that? No. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ninjetch'd? It just fits. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::oooh, i like that. also, i think Mudkipchan put that comment in the wrong section.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ネギニンジ ''Negininja'' would be its Japanese name, from カモネギ ''Kamonegi''. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:um.....sure? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Babies==
There should be a baby Pokémon that can evolve into either Miltank and Tauros. Maybe one for the Volbeat... guys too. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 05:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:And a baby Kangaskhan would definitely be both genders, and males would become Kangaskirk. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the miltank/tauros idea, im not so sure about the Volbeat one (maybe thats because i dont like them) '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yes to male Kangaskhan and baby, they would both solve the missing link of Kangaskhan. Why Game Freak, why must you torment us! And I don't like Volbeat too. :P -05:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::alright, a male Kahn it is, but what to name it? i like the idea of "Kirk" but that doesnt really fit the evo line name. unless i changed the baby to "Kangasroo" or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:You ''do'' know the reference is to Star Trek, right? Kirk was the one who said KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Kirk is also a name for a boy, of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::well, i know Kirk, and i know the Kahn line, but not everyone knows that, and it still wouldnt look right. itd be a damn good nickname though '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::My opinion, Kangaskhan should of never been able to breed. That would of solved this whole mess. But I guess it's too late for that. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 06:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::maybe ill add that to my [[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|other page]] {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::: I object. If Kangaskhan couldn't breed, then it still wouldn't explain where the child came from in fact it would probably raise even more questions. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::thats an even better point. i think the real prob was that they made it a female only with no male, it makes me wonder how they ever exsisted at all!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::No the real problem is not the gender. When a Kangaskhan is born.. as soon as it comes out of the egg, it is an adult that is already bearing another kid. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::What I meant was that the players can't breed them. Maybe Kangaskhan could have mated in secrecy. You know, the same as legendary Pokémon. We can't breed them but there's no doubt that they can mate. Just not in front of humans. There is that baby Lugia in the anime. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Let the debate begin. :P Joking. Well that is possible... But the Lugias just made me go "Meh." when I first watched the episodes surrounding the two, just being honest here. But I'll give you credit that you do have a point here. But now that Game Freak has made the kanga breedable... that missing link just appeared. And before anyone asks, yes I am too lazy to use my sig. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::yea, im def putting that on my do over page... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Evolutions ==

You know, the name of the new doesn't always have to match the old. Examples of Pokémon who's names don't have much in common.

#Tyrogue = Hitmon...
#Caterpie = Metapod = Butterfree
#Ekans = Arbok
#Oddish = Gloom = Vileplume or Bellosom
#Meowth = Persian
#Geodude = Graveler = Golem
#Ponyta = Rapidash
#Magikarp = Gyrados
#Nuzleaf = Shiftry
#Wingull = Pelipper
#Ralts = Kirlia = Ga...
#Shroomish = Breloom
#Burmy = Wormadam or Mothim
#Skorupi = Drapion

So vary a little okay?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:good point, I'm just a stickler for that stuff. it always bothered me when Pokémon evolutions didn't have similar cries in the games {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Clawsir ==
One more thing i can't stand. Pinsir is a pun on Pincer. There is no such thing as a Clawcer. Only a Claw.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:i did make a note "the name needs work" that being said, what do you think? and do you like the idea of a Bug/Dark type? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well I love darkness. What do you think you're gonna name it? Clark? Claw and Dark. {This is not funny and is not meant to be funny){{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::wow, if it were real, "Clark" would be the best nickname ever. could go the generic route and say "Darklaw" or something {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Hey, Crushir might be a good name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::not a bad name, but i cant help but feel its a bit generic...i have since renamed it "Guiloreap", i think its still a bit to busy, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::Sorry I was away, watching Saw. I like the reap part but not a big fan of the Guilo.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== For Gen II, III, IV ==

I think a {{p|Houndoom}} evo would be cool. Also a baby form of {{p|Absol}}. And of course a {{p|Pachirisu}} evo. Maybe it could be a flying squirrel and become Electric/Flying.

Anyway, great choices so far. Can't wait to see more --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Pachirisu flying squirrel, thats a really good one, ill get one that one. as for Houndoom? idk, hes pretty awesome, ill think about it. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Throw it off a cliff LOL!! That's a good one. Have you ever thought of different Eeveelutions? --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm all for the idea of a Pachirisu evo, but I'd prefer it to be a pure Electric-type with the Levitate ability.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think that Rotom could use an evolved form. It would basically be more like Pulseman.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:why would there be a reason for Levitating Pachirisu? a flying squirrel is a real thing. as for Rotom, yea, i was thinking about it, give folks a reason to have to wait until after the E4 to get him. also, i probably wont do Eeveelutions, theres no real work involved in them, just copy and paste types and stats, and give it a generic name. Drageon, Steeleon, Toxeon, etc..{{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. I just like the idea of a pure-Electric type.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::well, theres 20 other pure Eelctric-types, im sure almost all of them are better than Pachirisu.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::With Levitate, it wouldn't have any weaknesses. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::my stance on '''flying''' squirrel stands. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Flying squirrels don't actually fly, they just glide. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm for the Flying-type Pachirisu. Why? Cause. No weaknesses are just hax, man. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::i agree, i dispise Sableye and Spiritomb, and thats comming from a hacker! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I perfer the pure Electric type with levitate, scince Electric/Flying is basiclly reserved for Zapdos--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:'''FLYING''' squirrel is the way it is. i know everyone wants no weakness, but too bad. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Separating the charts? ==

Why not do that, for evos and prevos? Prevos get one section, evos get another. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:the idea had come to me, i suppose ill do it tomorrow, its almost 3:00AM {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh boy, three AM! *grabs a burger and chomps on it* {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::well, i have no idea what that was about, but i do have a full time job and i get up at 7, so, i think ill be going now....btw, thanks for cleaning up my page. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Drillix ==

How about this. Speedix could be Steel and Dark type, with Dark being the secondary type. I mean think about it, a giant metal drill that moves around on its own seems more like a dual Dark type to me. And it must learn Horn Drill of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but, if hes digging around underground, i think itd make more sence to be ground-type. btw, please tell me you have an idea for a better name, this one is killing me. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::True that. But Pokemon can't have three typing anyhow.... and battle-wise, he would probably get a 4x weakness to Fighting if he were Steel and Dark type. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I always thought that {{p|Onix}} needed a pre-evolution. Onix is '''''WAY''''' to big to be an unevolved Pokémon. Satoshi Tajiri managed to avoid making a pre-evolution for {{p|Rhyhorn}} by giving {{p|Rhydon}} an evolution, and I'd hate for that to happen with Onix.[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::::thats a really good point...hows about Speedix be an alternative to Onix? (like bellossom) {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
i changed the name, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mawile ==

Evolve The Kucheat! And don't name it Bawile. DO NOT. Or else I will harm you. REALLY. REALLY. BADLY. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:that would be terrible, and it does need an evolution {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::toss me some ideas here {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Japanese name could be Krakcheat. English, Jaworn. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, and don't forget: Steel/Dark plz. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::you dont mind a 4x weakness? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to Fighting. That's easily solved with Aerial Ace, if it can learn it. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::t seems like everything can learn that, and because were making it up, why not?? so hows about "Jawile" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Jawile, I guess. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::クラチート Krakcheat. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you name the Mawile evo "Kucheat"? That's Mawile's Japanese name. You can't use that. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

TTE suggested it. However, I believe it will now be changed to Jawile. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I suggested merely to evolve The Kucheat. {{ani|303}} {{tt|Maw!|Meh!}} {{ani|107}} {{tt|Hitmon-chaaaaan!|Holy craaaaap!}} {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you did indeed say evolve The Kucheat. My mistake. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:other than the hardcore fans, no one knows Mawiles name is Kucheat. i like the name, so i figured swap the american and jap names around, though, Jawile has come up as well. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Same with Sonans/Wobbuffet and Sohnano/Wynaut. "That's how it is!" and "Really?" in Japan, a wobbly thing you hit and why shouldn't you in English. Doesn't prevent me from thinking they dropped the ball. Besides, Krakcheat would come from Kraken and cheat, not kuchi and cheat. If anything, Mawile would've been better having its name the same in the US. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::So, are you suggesting that Krakcheat would be part-squid?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I dunno. Maybe it could have some elements... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, im really lost here, so, lets break it down. the name for the new Mawile evo should be: Jawile, Kucheat, Krakcheat, Other. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Sableye==
There should be an evolution of Sableye if there's an evolution of Mawile! And it should have Wonder Guard. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:yes to evolution, no to Wonder Guard..hehe {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::Why shouldn't it have Wonder Guard? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::You can see some of my other ideas [[User:Shiny Noctowl/New evolutions|here]]. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't I already explain to you why NO Wonder Guard? Because a Dark/Ghost type Pokemon has no weakness, and one having Wonder Guard would be entirely unfair and IILEGAL in the metagame. Goodness. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 22:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it wouldn't be invincible. All you would need is a pokemon with Foresight and a Fighting type move. Still, it would be hard. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i dont want to sound like a jerk, but no, its not going to happen, if it did, i would stop playing Pokemon {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

==Breloom==

I think there should be an evolution of breloom, with less weaknesses. Just spitballing. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:idk, theres not much that can be done there. Breloom is a Grass/Fighting type. theres been no pokemon that gains a type, then gets rid of it. if anything, i was considering a middle evolution because Shroomish is some tiny blob with no limbs and suddenly its a full size FIGHTING type! it didnt even have arms before!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Never any middle-intermediate evos, and besides... why mess with it when the final product is the same...? {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::so on that basis, Breloom is untouchable. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::It could have another evolution, or Shroomish could have an alternate evo. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, i suppose, but grass types are so unuseable... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== How? ==

Thr... Thr... Throw it off a cliff!? Are you just being funny are have you gone mad?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:maybe both? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Plusle/Minum ==

Why don't they have a baby form of Plusle/Minum. It could evolve like Tyrogue. And also, they should have an evolved form, and you have to level up Plusle with a MinusCharge, and Minum with a Plus Charge [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i like that idea, ill think about it {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

I think Kecleon might get an evolved form sooner or later. Aside from the fact that it's a mere novelty Pokémon, it lacks {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}. The majority of Pokémon that can use those moves are fully evolved.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:He can't learn those? Certainly something I'll look into. I was also looking into a Ditto or Smeargle evo. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I never realized that until I was fixing up {{p|Kecleon}}'s article yesterday.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lunatone and Solrock==
What about a pre-evolveded forms of Lunatone and Solrock, kind of like Tyrouge, who evolves into at night or day. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 23:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:makes sence to me, though it seems a tad unnecesary. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine and Ninetails ==

How about Fire/Ghost type evo for [[Ninetails]] and a Fire/Dragon type evo for [[Arcanine]]? Since the two are based on the [[wp:Kitsune]] and [[wp:Imperial guardian lion]] respectivly [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:The only problem: Stone evolutions never evolve. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::i dont see the problem with stone evo pokemon evolving, but Arcanine being a fire/dragon type, hmm, idk. but on my do over page i said Ninetails should be a fire/ghost type. in the mean time, i dont see that as a bad thing. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Skarmory ==

I really think Skarmory needs an evolution. It has good typing, fairly good moves, but it stats just aren't good enough. It's defense stat is high, but low compared to pokemon such as Aggron, Regirock, and Cloyster. Also, it says on it's Pokedex entrythat it can go over 180mph, but it is slower than pokemon like Magikarp and Rattatta. So, it really needs a faster evolution. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:done. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I've also been thinking that Skarmory should have a prevolution.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:given Skarmory's 25 catch rate, that wouldnt be a bad idea {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh so close. Its base stat total is 570. If it was at least 600, and you made a prevolution, it could be a Pseudo-legendary.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Then give it an evelution with more BA stats!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dunsparce ==

You haven't thought of a name yet? I don't know if it is good or not but how bout Matrare?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:whats that? mattress and rare? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Matte and rare.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? Are you there? Are you dead?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::yea, i was rearging and modding the page. as for the name, hows about "Mattare"? i think it flows better. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Sure. It took only an hour for me to decide between one or two "t"s anyway. It looks better without the "r" too.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest the name "Mialoof", but a guy name lydario from Deviantart already made up a Dunsparce evo with that name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Can you cite a reference? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Here[http://lydario.deviantart.com/art/MIALOOF-56195203]!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Not bad. You can change if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Oh MAGNEDETH would have been dead already if he was just sitting there waiting for you to answer.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It's better. Change it if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== My Ideas ==
Lapras, Ditto, Xatu, Quilfish, Heracross, Shuckle, Corsola

Do you think Lapras should have an evolution or a prevolution?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lapras'd be good for a prevo. Not evolution, as it's great as it is. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::I have the same thoughts.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::as soon as i saw "Lapras" i thought prevo. also, dont just barf text like that poke102, start a new section. make it somthing like "my ideas" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

How bout Luvdisc or Chatot?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:Ditto doesn't need anything, imo.
:Qwilfish is pretty weak, so I'd think that it'd get an evo.
:Everyone in competitive battling loves Heracross. I think a prevo'd be good.
:Shuckle and prevo'd be nice. GUYS WE DON'T NEED AN EVO FOR THIS THING AND GIVE IT HAX STATS END OF STORY.
:Corsola should get both. :p
:Sableye should get an evo. Something that'd look at Spiritomb and say 'Hey, he's equal to me.' instead of 'Man I wish I was that strong.'
:Zangoose and prevo, yes, Seviper and evo, yes.
:Luvdisc and Chatot should get an evo. Luvdisc does like.. nothing good, seriously. At least I could kick ass with my Chatot.
:Just my little 2 cents. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking either evos for Zangoose and Sevi, or Prevos for Zangoose and Viper. {{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dammit I had like, 5 edit conflicts on this thing. e_e {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:before i go any further, id like to tell Pokemaniac102 to STOP POSTING ONE THING AT A TIME! i cant reply if i keep getting edit conflicts. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh I finished.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::ok, i think Luvdisc shouldnt exsist in the first place {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you that heartless?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc is a good idea, but Chatot isn't yet. A Shedinja prevo would be good as well. [[User|Random279|Random279]] 20:02 , 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shedninja already has one.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Chatot could probibly use an evo, as for Shedinja, it already has one, its called {{p|Nincada}} {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::MY FIRST EDIT CONFLICT! Chatot is a great idea.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I mean as in if you breed Shedinja it will hatch into this and not Nincada. This page really needs less edit conflicts. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::IT IS GENDERLESS!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Ditto is genderless, and you can breed that! [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::i can breed Magnemite, the real point is that theres no reason to have a Shedinja thing {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Random ==
There should be a Bug/Ice type evo, or maybe a Bug/Electric. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:well, i was thinking Voltbeat and Illunice, or something to that effect. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I would've thought that Volbeat and Illumise would have evos that were Bug/Electric and Bug/Fire respectively.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually I was thinking Volbeat has an evo with Bug/Fire and Illumise an evo with Bug/Ice. But, I'll stop placing comments here if it keeps bothering MAGNEDETH.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::no, its fine, i was just getting annoyed when 4 people are editing and i get conflicts. as for the Pokemon, well, they are LIGHTNING bugs, arent they? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Misdreavus/Murkrow ==

Misdreavus and Murkrow need a pre evelution, They got weaker with their new evelutions Mismagius and Honchkrow, Repectfully. Murkow aire my favorite Flying type Pokémon and I just didn't like the fact they got weaker. Misdreavus has the best attack in Pokémon (Pain split) and is exclusive to that family without sketch/Breeding and Mismagius is just creepy, so I think that is why Misdreavus needs a pre Evelution, so it isn't as weak to that creepy excuse for a pokémon!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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==Farfetch'd==
If anything, a Farfetch'd evo should be a Normal/Dark or Dark/Flying ninja. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but im not sure where you are comming from...you mean how he is very elusive and attacks with a stick like a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the leek would become a sword. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::i dont think parents would like that, a Pokemon with a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:It'd be a leek that looks more like a sword. And that's no more violent than a Pokémon with boxing gloves or one that can pretty much shoot missiles. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::alright, i like it, a Dark/Flying, keep the name i got, or what do you think? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Screw the parents, we have Scyther and is anyone going on about that? No. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ninjetch'd? It just fits. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::oooh, i like that. also, i think Mudkipchan put that comment in the wrong section.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ネギニンジ ''Negininja'' would be its Japanese name, from カモネギ ''Kamonegi''. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:um.....sure? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Babies==
There should be a baby Pokémon that can evolve into either Miltank and Tauros. Maybe one for the Volbeat... guys too. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 05:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:And a baby Kangaskhan would definitely be both genders, and males would become Kangaskirk. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the miltank/tauros idea, im not so sure about the Volbeat one (maybe thats because i dont like them) '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yes to male Kangaskhan and baby, they would both solve the missing link of Kangaskhan. Why Game Freak, why must you torment us! And I don't like Volbeat too. :P -05:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::alright, a male Kahn it is, but what to name it? i like the idea of "Kirk" but that doesnt really fit the evo line name. unless i changed the baby to "Kangasroo" or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:You ''do'' know the reference is to Star Trek, right? Kirk was the one who said KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Kirk is also a name for a boy, of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::well, i know Kirk, and i know the Kahn line, but not everyone knows that, and it still wouldnt look right. itd be a damn good nickname though '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::My opinion, Kangaskhan should of never been able to breed. That would of solved this whole mess. But I guess it's too late for that. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 06:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::maybe ill add that to my [[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|other page]] {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::: I object. If Kangaskhan couldn't breed, then it still wouldn't explain where the child came from in fact it would probably raise even more questions. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::thats an even better point. i think the real prob was that they made it a female only with no male, it makes me wonder how they ever exsisted at all!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::No the real problem is not the gender. When a Kangaskhan is born.. as soon as it comes out of the egg, it is an adult that is already bearing another kid. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::What I meant was that the players can't breed them. Maybe Kangaskhan could have mated in secrecy. You know, the same as legendary Pokémon. We can't breed them but there's no doubt that they can mate. Just not in front of humans. There is that baby Lugia in the anime. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Let the debate begin. :P Joking. Well that is possible... But the Lugias just made me go "Meh." when I first watched the episodes surrounding the two, just being honest here. But I'll give you credit that you do have a point here. But now that Game Freak has made the kanga breedable... that missing link just appeared. And before anyone asks, yes I am too lazy to use my sig. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::yea, im def putting that on my do over page... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Evolutions ==

You know, the name of the new doesn't always have to match the old. Examples of Pokémon who's names don't have much in common.

#Tyrogue = Hitmon...
#Caterpie = Metapod = Butterfree
#Ekans = Arbok
#Oddish = Gloom = Vileplume or Bellosom
#Meowth = Persian
#Geodude = Graveler = Golem
#Ponyta = Rapidash
#Magikarp = Gyrados
#Nuzleaf = Shiftry
#Wingull = Pelipper
#Ralts = Kirlia = Ga...
#Shroomish = Breloom
#Burmy = Wormadam or Mothim
#Skorupi = Drapion

So vary a little okay?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:good point, I'm just a stickler for that stuff. it always bothered me when Pokémon evolutions didn't have similar cries in the games {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Clawsir ==
One more thing i can't stand. Pinsir is a pun on Pincer. There is no such thing as a Clawcer. Only a Claw.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:i did make a note "the name needs work" that being said, what do you think? and do you like the idea of a Bug/Dark type? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well I love darkness. What do you think you're gonna name it? Clark? Claw and Dark. {This is not funny and is not meant to be funny){{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::wow, if it were real, "Clark" would be the best nickname ever. could go the generic route and say "Darklaw" or something {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Hey, Crushir might be a good name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::not a bad name, but i cant help but feel its a bit generic...i have since renamed it "Guiloreap", i think its still a bit to busy, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::Sorry I was away, watching Saw. I like the reap part but not a big fan of the Guilo.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== For Gen II, III, IV ==

I think a {{p|Houndoom}} evo would be cool. Also a baby form of {{p|Absol}}. And of course a {{p|Pachirisu}} evo. Maybe it could be a flying squirrel and become Electric/Flying.

Anyway, great choices so far. Can't wait to see more --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Pachirisu flying squirrel, thats a really good one, ill get one that one. as for Houndoom? idk, hes pretty awesome, ill think about it. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Throw it off a cliff LOL!! That's a good one. Have you ever thought of different Eeveelutions? --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm all for the idea of a Pachirisu evo, but I'd prefer it to be a pure Electric-type with the Levitate ability.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think that Rotom could use an evolved form. It would basically be more like Pulseman.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:why would there be a reason for Levitating Pachirisu? a flying squirrel is a real thing. as for Rotom, yea, i was thinking about it, give folks a reason to have to wait until after the E4 to get him. also, i probably wont do Eeveelutions, theres no real work involved in them, just copy and paste types and stats, and give it a generic name. Drageon, Steeleon, Toxeon, etc..{{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. I just like the idea of a pure-Electric type.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::well, theres 20 other pure Eelctric-types, im sure almost all of them are better than Pachirisu.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::With Levitate, it wouldn't have any weaknesses. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::my stance on '''flying''' squirrel stands. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Flying squirrels don't actually fly, they just glide. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm for the Flying-type Pachirisu. Why? Cause. No weaknesses are just hax, man. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::i agree, i dispise Sableye and Spiritomb, and thats comming from a hacker! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I perfer the pure Electric type with levitate, scince Electric/Flying is basiclly reserved for Zapdos--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Separating the charts? ==

Why not do that, for evos and prevos? Prevos get one section, evos get another. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:the idea had come to me, i suppose ill do it tomorrow, its almost 3:00AM {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh boy, three AM! *grabs a burger and chomps on it* {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::well, i have no idea what that was about, but i do have a full time job and i get up at 7, so, i think ill be going now....btw, thanks for cleaning up my page. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Drillix ==

How about this. Speedix could be Steel and Dark type, with Dark being the secondary type. I mean think about it, a giant metal drill that moves around on its own seems more like a dual Dark type to me. And it must learn Horn Drill of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but, if hes digging around underground, i think itd make more sence to be ground-type. btw, please tell me you have an idea for a better name, this one is killing me. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::True that. But Pokemon can't have three typing anyhow.... and battle-wise, he would probably get a 4x weakness to Fighting if he were Steel and Dark type. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I always thought that {{p|Onix}} needed a pre-evolution. Onix is '''''WAY''''' to big to be an unevolved Pokémon. Satoshi Tajiri managed to avoid making a pre-evolution for {{p|Rhyhorn}} by giving {{p|Rhydon}} an evolution, and I'd hate for that to happen with Onix.[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::::thats a really good point...hows about Speedix be an alternative to Onix? (like bellossom) {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
i changed the name, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mawile ==

Evolve The Kucheat! And don't name it Bawile. DO NOT. Or else I will harm you. REALLY. REALLY. BADLY. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:that would be terrible, and it does need an evolution {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::toss me some ideas here {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Japanese name could be Krakcheat. English, Jaworn. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, and don't forget: Steel/Dark plz. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::you dont mind a 4x weakness? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to Fighting. That's easily solved with Aerial Ace, if it can learn it. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::t seems like everything can learn that, and because were making it up, why not?? so hows about "Jawile" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Jawile, I guess. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::クラチート Krakcheat. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you name the Mawile evo "Kucheat"? That's Mawile's Japanese name. You can't use that. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

TTE suggested it. However, I believe it will now be changed to Jawile. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I suggested merely to evolve The Kucheat. {{ani|303}} {{tt|Maw!|Meh!}} {{ani|107}} {{tt|Hitmon-chaaaaan!|Holy craaaaap!}} {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you did indeed say evolve The Kucheat. My mistake. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:other than the hardcore fans, no one knows Mawiles name is Kucheat. i like the name, so i figured swap the american and jap names around, though, Jawile has come up as well. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Same with Sonans/Wobbuffet and Sohnano/Wynaut. "That's how it is!" and "Really?" in Japan, a wobbly thing you hit and why shouldn't you in English. Doesn't prevent me from thinking they dropped the ball. Besides, Krakcheat would come from Kraken and cheat, not kuchi and cheat. If anything, Mawile would've been better having its name the same in the US. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::So, are you suggesting that Krakcheat would be part-squid?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I dunno. Maybe it could have some elements... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, im really lost here, so, lets break it down. the name for the new Mawile evo should be: Jawile, Kucheat, Krakcheat, Other. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Sableye==
There should be an evolution of Sableye if there's an evolution of Mawile! And it should have Wonder Guard. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:yes to evolution, no to Wonder Guard..hehe {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::Why shouldn't it have Wonder Guard? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::You can see some of my other ideas [[User:Shiny Noctowl/New evolutions|here]]. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't I already explain to you why NO Wonder Guard? Because a Dark/Ghost type Pokemon has no weakness, and one having Wonder Guard would be entirely unfair and IILEGAL in the metagame. Goodness. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 22:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it wouldn't be invincible. All you would need is a pokemon with Foresight and a Fighting type move. Still, it would be hard. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i dont want to sound like a jerk, but no, its not going to happen, if it did, i would stop playing Pokemon {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

==Breloom==

I think there should be an evolution of breloom, with less weaknesses. Just spitballing. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:idk, theres not much that can be done there. Breloom is a Grass/Fighting type. theres been no pokemon that gains a type, then gets rid of it. if anything, i was considering a middle evolution because Shroomish is some tiny blob with no limbs and suddenly its a full size FIGHTING type! it didnt even have arms before!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Never any middle-intermediate evos, and besides... why mess with it when the final product is the same...? {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::so on that basis, Breloom is untouchable. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::It could have another evolution, or Shroomish could have an alternate evo. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, i suppose, but grass types are so unuseable... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== How? ==

Thr... Thr... Throw it off a cliff!? Are you just being funny are have you gone mad?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:maybe both? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Plusle/Minum ==

Why don't they have a baby form of Plusle/Minum. It could evolve like Tyrogue. And also, they should have an evolved form, and you have to level up Plusle with a MinusCharge, and Minum with a Plus Charge [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i like that idea, ill think about it {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

I think Kecleon might get an evolved form sooner or later. Aside from the fact that it's a mere novelty Pokémon, it lacks {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}. The majority of Pokémon that can use those moves are fully evolved.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:He can't learn those? Certainly something I'll look into. I was also looking into a Ditto or Smeargle evo. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I never realized that until I was fixing up {{p|Kecleon}}'s article yesterday.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lunatone and Solrock==
What about a pre-evolveded forms of Lunatone and Solrock, kind of like Tyrouge, who evolves into at night or day. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 23:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:makes sence to me, though it seems a tad unnecesary. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine and Ninetails ==

How about Fire/Ghost type evo for [[Ninetails]] and a Fire/Dragon type evo for [[Arcanine]]? Since the two are based on the [[wp:Kitsune]] and [[wp:Imperial guardian lion]] respectivly [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:The only problem: Stone evolutions never evolve. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::i dont see the problem with stone evo pokemon evolving, but Arcanine being a fire/dragon type, hmm, idk. but on my do over page i said Ninetails should be a fire/ghost type. in the mean time, i dont see that as a bad thing. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Skarmory ==

I really think Skarmory needs an evolution. It has good typing, fairly good moves, but it stats just aren't good enough. It's defense stat is high, but low compared to pokemon such as Aggron, Regirock, and Cloyster. Also, it says on it's Pokedex entrythat it can go over 180mph, but it is slower than pokemon like Magikarp and Rattatta. So, it really needs a faster evolution. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:done. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dunsparce ==

You haven't thought of a name yet? I don't know if it is good or not but how bout Matrare?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:whats that? mattress and rare? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Matte and rare.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? Are you there? Are you dead?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::yea, i was rearging and modding the page. as for the name, hows about "Mattare"? i think it flows better. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Sure. It took only an hour for me to decide between one or two "t"s anyway. It looks better without the "r" too.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest the name "Mialoof", but a guy name lydario from Deviantart already made up a Dunsparce evo with that name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Can you cite a reference? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Here[http://lydario.deviantart.com/art/MIALOOF-56195203]!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Not bad. You can change if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Oh MAGNEDETH would have been dead already if he was just sitting there waiting for you to answer.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It's better. Change it if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== My Ideas ==
Lapras, Ditto, Xatu, Quilfish, Heracross, Shuckle, Corsola

Do you think Lapras should have an evolution or a prevolution?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lapras'd be good for a prevo. Not evolution, as it's great as it is. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::I have the same thoughts.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::as soon as i saw "Lapras" i thought prevo. also, dont just barf text like that poke102, start a new section. make it somthing like "my ideas" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

How bout Luvdisc or Chatot?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:Ditto doesn't need anything, imo.
:Qwilfish is pretty weak, so I'd think that it'd get an evo.
:Everyone in competitive battling loves Heracross. I think a prevo'd be good.
:Shuckle and prevo'd be nice. GUYS WE DON'T NEED AN EVO FOR THIS THING AND GIVE IT HAX STATS END OF STORY.
:Corsola should get both. :p
:Sableye should get an evo. Something that'd look at Spiritomb and say 'Hey, he's equal to me.' instead of 'Man I wish I was that strong.'
:Zangoose and prevo, yes, Seviper and evo, yes.
:Luvdisc and Chatot should get an evo. Luvdisc does like.. nothing good, seriously. At least I could kick ass with my Chatot.
:Just my little 2 cents. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking either evos for Zangoose and Sevi, or Prevos for Zangoose and Viper. {{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dammit I had like, 5 edit conflicts on this thing. e_e {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:before i go any further, id like to tell Pokemaniac102 to STOP POSTING ONE THING AT A TIME! i cant reply if i keep getting edit conflicts. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh I finished.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::ok, i think Luvdisc shouldnt exsist in the first place {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you that heartless?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc is a good idea, but Chatot isn't yet. A Shedinja prevo would be good as well. [[User|Random279|Random279]] 20:02 , 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shedninja already has one.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Chatot could probibly use an evo, as for Shedinja, it already has one, its called {{p|Nincada}} {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::MY FIRST EDIT CONFLICT! Chatot is a great idea.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I mean as in if you breed Shedinja it will hatch into this and not Nincada. This page really needs less edit conflicts. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::IT IS GENDERLESS!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Ditto is genderless, and you can breed that! [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::i can breed Magnemite, the real point is that theres no reason to have a Shedinja thing {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Random ==
There should be a Bug/Ice type evo, or maybe a Bug/Electric. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:well, i was thinking Voltbeat and Illunice, or something to that effect. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I would've thought that Volbeat and Illumise would have evos that were Bug/Electric and Bug/Fire respectively.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually I was thinking Volbeat has an evo with Bug/Fire and Illumise an evo with Bug/Ice. But, I'll stop placing comments here if it keeps bothering MAGNEDETH.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::no, its fine, i was just getting annoyed when 4 people are editing and i get conflicts. as for the Pokemon, well, they are LIGHTNING bugs, arent they? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Skarmory==
I've also been thinking that Skarmory should have a prevolution.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:given Skarmory's 25 catch rate, that wouldnt be a bad idea {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh so close. Its base stat total is 570. If it was at least 600, and you made a prevolution, it could be a Pseudo-legendary.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Then give it an evelution with more BA stats!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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Quick Man: /* For Gen II, III, IV */

==Farfetch'd==
If anything, a Farfetch'd evo should be a Normal/Dark or Dark/Flying ninja. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but im not sure where you are comming from...you mean how he is very elusive and attacks with a stick like a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the leek would become a sword. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::i dont think parents would like that, a Pokemon with a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:It'd be a leek that looks more like a sword. And that's no more violent than a Pokémon with boxing gloves or one that can pretty much shoot missiles. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::alright, i like it, a Dark/Flying, keep the name i got, or what do you think? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Screw the parents, we have Scyther and is anyone going on about that? No. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ninjetch'd? It just fits. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::oooh, i like that. also, i think Mudkipchan put that comment in the wrong section.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ネギニンジ ''Negininja'' would be its Japanese name, from カモネギ ''Kamonegi''. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:um.....sure? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Babies==
There should be a baby Pokémon that can evolve into either Miltank and Tauros. Maybe one for the Volbeat... guys too. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 05:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:And a baby Kangaskhan would definitely be both genders, and males would become Kangaskirk. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the miltank/tauros idea, im not so sure about the Volbeat one (maybe thats because i dont like them) '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yes to male Kangaskhan and baby, they would both solve the missing link of Kangaskhan. Why Game Freak, why must you torment us! And I don't like Volbeat too. :P -05:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::alright, a male Kahn it is, but what to name it? i like the idea of "Kirk" but that doesnt really fit the evo line name. unless i changed the baby to "Kangasroo" or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:You ''do'' know the reference is to Star Trek, right? Kirk was the one who said KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Kirk is also a name for a boy, of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::well, i know Kirk, and i know the Kahn line, but not everyone knows that, and it still wouldnt look right. itd be a damn good nickname though '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::My opinion, Kangaskhan should of never been able to breed. That would of solved this whole mess. But I guess it's too late for that. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 06:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::maybe ill add that to my [[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|other page]] {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::: I object. If Kangaskhan couldn't breed, then it still wouldn't explain where the child came from in fact it would probably raise even more questions. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::thats an even better point. i think the real prob was that they made it a female only with no male, it makes me wonder how they ever exsisted at all!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::No the real problem is not the gender. When a Kangaskhan is born.. as soon as it comes out of the egg, it is an adult that is already bearing another kid. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::What I meant was that the players can't breed them. Maybe Kangaskhan could have mated in secrecy. You know, the same as legendary Pokémon. We can't breed them but there's no doubt that they can mate. Just not in front of humans. There is that baby Lugia in the anime. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Let the debate begin. :P Joking. Well that is possible... But the Lugias just made me go "Meh." when I first watched the episodes surrounding the two, just being honest here. But I'll give you credit that you do have a point here. But now that Game Freak has made the kanga breedable... that missing link just appeared. And before anyone asks, yes I am too lazy to use my sig. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::yea, im def putting that on my do over page... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Evolutions ==

You know, the name of the new doesn't always have to match the old. Examples of Pokémon who's names don't have much in common.

#Tyrogue = Hitmon...
#Caterpie = Metapod = Butterfree
#Ekans = Arbok
#Oddish = Gloom = Vileplume or Bellosom
#Meowth = Persian
#Geodude = Graveler = Golem
#Ponyta = Rapidash
#Magikarp = Gyrados
#Nuzleaf = Shiftry
#Wingull = Pelipper
#Ralts = Kirlia = Ga...
#Shroomish = Breloom
#Burmy = Wormadam or Mothim
#Skorupi = Drapion

So vary a little okay?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:good point, I'm just a stickler for that stuff. it always bothered me when Pokémon evolutions didn't have similar cries in the games {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Clawsir ==
One more thing i can't stand. Pinsir is a pun on Pincer. There is no such thing as a Clawcer. Only a Claw.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:i did make a note "the name needs work" that being said, what do you think? and do you like the idea of a Bug/Dark type? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well I love darkness. What do you think you're gonna name it? Clark? Claw and Dark. {This is not funny and is not meant to be funny){{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::wow, if it were real, "Clark" would be the best nickname ever. could go the generic route and say "Darklaw" or something {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Hey, Crushir might be a good name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::not a bad name, but i cant help but feel its a bit generic...i have since renamed it "Guiloreap", i think its still a bit to busy, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::Sorry I was away, watching Saw. I like the reap part but not a big fan of the Guilo.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== For Gen II, III, IV ==

I think a {{p|Houndoom}} evo would be cool. Also a baby form of {{p|Absol}}. And of course a {{p|Pachirisu}} evo. Maybe it could be a flying squirrel and become Electric/Flying.

Anyway, great choices so far. Can't wait to see more --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Pachirisu flying squirrel, thats a really good one, ill get one that one. as for Houndoom? idk, hes pretty awesome, ill think about it. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Throw it off a cliff LOL!! That's a good one. Have you ever thought of different Eeveelutions? --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm all for the idea of a Pachirisu evo, but I'd prefer it to be a pure Electric-type with the Levitate ability.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think that Rotom could use an evolved form. It would basically be more like Pulseman.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:why would there be a reason for Levitating Pachirisu? a flying squirrel is a real thing. as for Rotom, yea, i was thinking about it, give folks a reason to have to wait until after the E4 to get him. also, i probably wont do Eeveelutions, theres no real work involved in them, just copy and paste types and stats, and give it a generic name. Drageon, Steeleon, Toxeon, etc..{{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. I just like the idea of a pure-Electric type.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::well, theres 20 other pure Eelctric-types, im sure almost all of them are better than Pachirisu.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::With Levitate, it wouldn't have any weaknesses. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::my stance on '''flying''' squirrel stands. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Flying squirrels don't actually fly, they just glide. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm for the Flying-type Pachirisu. Why? Cause. No weaknesses are just hax, man. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::i agree, i dispise Sableye and Spiritomb, and thats comming from a hacker! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I perfer the pure Electric type with levitate, scince Electric/Flying is basiclly reserved for Zapdos

== Separating the charts? ==

Why not do that, for evos and prevos? Prevos get one section, evos get another. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:the idea had come to me, i suppose ill do it tomorrow, its almost 3:00AM {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh boy, three AM! *grabs a burger and chomps on it* {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::well, i have no idea what that was about, but i do have a full time job and i get up at 7, so, i think ill be going now....btw, thanks for cleaning up my page. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Drillix ==

How about this. Speedix could be Steel and Dark type, with Dark being the secondary type. I mean think about it, a giant metal drill that moves around on its own seems more like a dual Dark type to me. And it must learn Horn Drill of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but, if hes digging around underground, i think itd make more sence to be ground-type. btw, please tell me you have an idea for a better name, this one is killing me. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::True that. But Pokemon can't have three typing anyhow.... and battle-wise, he would probably get a 4x weakness to Fighting if he were Steel and Dark type. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I always thought that {{p|Onix}} needed a pre-evolution. Onix is '''''WAY''''' to big to be an unevolved Pokémon. Satoshi Tajiri managed to avoid making a pre-evolution for {{p|Rhyhorn}} by giving {{p|Rhydon}} an evolution, and I'd hate for that to happen with Onix.[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::::thats a really good point...hows about Speedix be an alternative to Onix? (like bellossom) {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
i changed the name, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mawile ==

Evolve The Kucheat! And don't name it Bawile. DO NOT. Or else I will harm you. REALLY. REALLY. BADLY. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:that would be terrible, and it does need an evolution {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::toss me some ideas here {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Japanese name could be Krakcheat. English, Jaworn. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, and don't forget: Steel/Dark plz. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::you dont mind a 4x weakness? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to Fighting. That's easily solved with Aerial Ace, if it can learn it. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::t seems like everything can learn that, and because were making it up, why not?? so hows about "Jawile" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Jawile, I guess. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::クラチート Krakcheat. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you name the Mawile evo "Kucheat"? That's Mawile's Japanese name. You can't use that. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

TTE suggested it. However, I believe it will now be changed to Jawile. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I suggested merely to evolve The Kucheat. {{ani|303}} {{tt|Maw!|Meh!}} {{ani|107}} {{tt|Hitmon-chaaaaan!|Holy craaaaap!}} {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you did indeed say evolve The Kucheat. My mistake. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:other than the hardcore fans, no one knows Mawiles name is Kucheat. i like the name, so i figured swap the american and jap names around, though, Jawile has come up as well. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Same with Sonans/Wobbuffet and Sohnano/Wynaut. "That's how it is!" and "Really?" in Japan, a wobbly thing you hit and why shouldn't you in English. Doesn't prevent me from thinking they dropped the ball. Besides, Krakcheat would come from Kraken and cheat, not kuchi and cheat. If anything, Mawile would've been better having its name the same in the US. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::So, are you suggesting that Krakcheat would be part-squid?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I dunno. Maybe it could have some elements... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, im really lost here, so, lets break it down. the name for the new Mawile evo should be: Jawile, Kucheat, Krakcheat, Other. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Sableye==
There should be an evolution of Sableye if there's an evolution of Mawile! And it should have Wonder Guard. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:yes to evolution, no to Wonder Guard..hehe {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::Why shouldn't it have Wonder Guard? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::You can see some of my other ideas [[User:Shiny Noctowl/New evolutions|here]]. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't I already explain to you why NO Wonder Guard? Because a Dark/Ghost type Pokemon has no weakness, and one having Wonder Guard would be entirely unfair and IILEGAL in the metagame. Goodness. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 22:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it wouldn't be invincible. All you would need is a pokemon with Foresight and a Fighting type move. Still, it would be hard. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i dont want to sound like a jerk, but no, its not going to happen, if it did, i would stop playing Pokemon {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

==Breloom==

I think there should be an evolution of breloom, with less weaknesses. Just spitballing. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:idk, theres not much that can be done there. Breloom is a Grass/Fighting type. theres been no pokemon that gains a type, then gets rid of it. if anything, i was considering a middle evolution because Shroomish is some tiny blob with no limbs and suddenly its a full size FIGHTING type! it didnt even have arms before!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Never any middle-intermediate evos, and besides... why mess with it when the final product is the same...? {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::so on that basis, Breloom is untouchable. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::It could have another evolution, or Shroomish could have an alternate evo. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, i suppose, but grass types are so unuseable... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== How? ==

Thr... Thr... Throw it off a cliff!? Are you just being funny are have you gone mad?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:maybe both? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Plusle/Minum ==

Why don't they have a baby form of Plusle/Minum. It could evolve like Tyrogue. And also, they should have an evolved form, and you have to level up Plusle with a MinusCharge, and Minum with a Plus Charge [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i like that idea, ill think about it {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

I think Kecleon might get an evolved form sooner or later. Aside from the fact that it's a mere novelty Pokémon, it lacks {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}. The majority of Pokémon that can use those moves are fully evolved.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:He can't learn those? Certainly something I'll look into. I was also looking into a Ditto or Smeargle evo. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I never realized that until I was fixing up {{p|Kecleon}}'s article yesterday.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lunatone and Solrock==
What about a pre-evolveded forms of Lunatone and Solrock, kind of like Tyrouge, who evolves into at night or day. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 23:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:makes sence to me, though it seems a tad unnecesary. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine and Ninetails ==

How about Fire/Ghost type evo for [[Ninetails]] and a Fire/Dragon type evo for [[Arcanine]]? Since the two are based on the [[wp:Kitsune]] and [[wp:Imperial guardian lion]] respectivly [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:The only problem: Stone evolutions never evolve. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::i dont see the problem with stone evo pokemon evolving, but Arcanine being a fire/dragon type, hmm, idk. but on my do over page i said Ninetails should be a fire/ghost type. in the mean time, i dont see that as a bad thing. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Skarmory ==

I really think Skarmory needs an evolution. It has good typing, fairly good moves, but it stats just aren't good enough. It's defense stat is high, but low compared to pokemon such as Aggron, Regirock, and Cloyster. Also, it says on it's Pokedex entrythat it can go over 180mph, but it is slower than pokemon like Magikarp and Rattatta. So, it really needs a faster evolution. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:done. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dunsparce ==

You haven't thought of a name yet? I don't know if it is good or not but how bout Matrare?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:whats that? mattress and rare? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Matte and rare.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? Are you there? Are you dead?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::yea, i was rearging and modding the page. as for the name, hows about "Mattare"? i think it flows better. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Sure. It took only an hour for me to decide between one or two "t"s anyway. It looks better without the "r" too.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest the name "Mialoof", but a guy name lydario from Deviantart already made up a Dunsparce evo with that name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Can you cite a reference? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Here[http://lydario.deviantart.com/art/MIALOOF-56195203]!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Not bad. You can change if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Oh MAGNEDETH would have been dead already if he was just sitting there waiting for you to answer.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It's better. Change it if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== My Ideas ==
Lapras, Ditto, Xatu, Quilfish, Heracross, Shuckle, Corsola

Do you think Lapras should have an evolution or a prevolution?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lapras'd be good for a prevo. Not evolution, as it's great as it is. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::I have the same thoughts.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::as soon as i saw "Lapras" i thought prevo. also, dont just barf text like that poke102, start a new section. make it somthing like "my ideas" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

How bout Luvdisc or Chatot?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:Ditto doesn't need anything, imo.
:Qwilfish is pretty weak, so I'd think that it'd get an evo.
:Everyone in competitive battling loves Heracross. I think a prevo'd be good.
:Shuckle and prevo'd be nice. GUYS WE DON'T NEED AN EVO FOR THIS THING AND GIVE IT HAX STATS END OF STORY.
:Corsola should get both. :p
:Sableye should get an evo. Something that'd look at Spiritomb and say 'Hey, he's equal to me.' instead of 'Man I wish I was that strong.'
:Zangoose and prevo, yes, Seviper and evo, yes.
:Luvdisc and Chatot should get an evo. Luvdisc does like.. nothing good, seriously. At least I could kick ass with my Chatot.
:Just my little 2 cents. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking either evos for Zangoose and Sevi, or Prevos for Zangoose and Viper. {{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dammit I had like, 5 edit conflicts on this thing. e_e {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:before i go any further, id like to tell Pokemaniac102 to STOP POSTING ONE THING AT A TIME! i cant reply if i keep getting edit conflicts. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh I finished.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::ok, i think Luvdisc shouldnt exsist in the first place {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you that heartless?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc is a good idea, but Chatot isn't yet. A Shedinja prevo would be good as well. [[User|Random279|Random279]] 20:02 , 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shedninja already has one.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Chatot could probibly use an evo, as for Shedinja, it already has one, its called {{p|Nincada}} {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::MY FIRST EDIT CONFLICT! Chatot is a great idea.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I mean as in if you breed Shedinja it will hatch into this and not Nincada. This page really needs less edit conflicts. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::IT IS GENDERLESS!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Ditto is genderless, and you can breed that! [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::i can breed Magnemite, the real point is that theres no reason to have a Shedinja thing {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Random ==
There should be a Bug/Ice type evo, or maybe a Bug/Electric. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:well, i was thinking Voltbeat and Illunice, or something to that effect. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I would've thought that Volbeat and Illumise would have evos that were Bug/Electric and Bug/Fire respectively.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually I was thinking Volbeat has an evo with Bug/Fire and Illumise an evo with Bug/Ice. But, I'll stop placing comments here if it keeps bothering MAGNEDETH.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::no, its fine, i was just getting annoyed when 4 people are editing and i get conflicts. as for the Pokemon, well, they are LIGHTNING bugs, arent they? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Skarmory==
I've also been thinking that Skarmory should have a prevolution.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:given Skarmory's 25 catch rate, that wouldnt be a bad idea {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh so close. Its base stat total is 570. If it was at least 600, and you made a prevolution, it could be a Pseudo-legendary.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Then give it an evelution with more BA stats!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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==Farfetch'd==
If anything, a Farfetch'd evo should be a Normal/Dark or Dark/Flying ninja. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but im not sure where you are comming from...you mean how he is very elusive and attacks with a stick like a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the leek would become a sword. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::i dont think parents would like that, a Pokemon with a sword? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:It'd be a leek that looks more like a sword. And that's no more violent than a Pokémon with boxing gloves or one that can pretty much shoot missiles. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::alright, i like it, a Dark/Flying, keep the name i got, or what do you think? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Screw the parents, we have Scyther and is anyone going on about that? No. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ninjetch'd? It just fits. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::oooh, i like that. also, i think Mudkipchan put that comment in the wrong section.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ネギニンジ ''Negininja'' would be its Japanese name, from カモネギ ''Kamonegi''. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:um.....sure? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Babies==
There should be a baby Pokémon that can evolve into either Miltank and Tauros. Maybe one for the Volbeat... guys too. -[[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 05:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:And a baby Kangaskhan would definitely be both genders, and males would become Kangaskirk. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 05:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the miltank/tauros idea, im not so sure about the Volbeat one (maybe thats because i dont like them) '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 05:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yes to male Kangaskhan and baby, they would both solve the missing link of Kangaskhan. Why Game Freak, why must you torment us! And I don't like Volbeat too. :P -05:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::alright, a male Kahn it is, but what to name it? i like the idea of "Kirk" but that doesnt really fit the evo line name. unless i changed the baby to "Kangasroo" or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:You ''do'' know the reference is to Star Trek, right? Kirk was the one who said KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Kirk is also a name for a boy, of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::well, i know Kirk, and i know the Kahn line, but not everyone knows that, and it still wouldnt look right. itd be a damn good nickname though '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 06:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::My opinion, Kangaskhan should of never been able to breed. That would of solved this whole mess. But I guess it's too late for that. --[[Image:048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:123MS.gif]] 06:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::maybe ill add that to my [[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|other page]] {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::: I object. If Kangaskhan couldn't breed, then it still wouldn't explain where the child came from in fact it would probably raise even more questions. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::thats an even better point. i think the real prob was that they made it a female only with no male, it makes me wonder how they ever exsisted at all!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::No the real problem is not the gender. When a Kangaskhan is born.. as soon as it comes out of the egg, it is an adult that is already bearing another kid. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::What I meant was that the players can't breed them. Maybe Kangaskhan could have mated in secrecy. You know, the same as legendary Pokémon. We can't breed them but there's no doubt that they can mate. Just not in front of humans. There is that baby Lugia in the anime. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Let the debate begin. :P Joking. Well that is possible... But the Lugias just made me go "Meh." when I first watched the episodes surrounding the two, just being honest here. But I'll give you credit that you do have a point here. But now that Game Freak has made the kanga breedable... that missing link just appeared. And before anyone asks, yes I am too lazy to use my sig. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::yea, im def putting that on my do over page... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Evolutions ==

You know, the name of the new doesn't always have to match the old. Examples of Pokémon who's names don't have much in common.

#Tyrogue = Hitmon...
#Caterpie = Metapod = Butterfree
#Ekans = Arbok
#Oddish = Gloom = Vileplume or Bellosom
#Meowth = Persian
#Geodude = Graveler = Golem
#Ponyta = Rapidash
#Magikarp = Gyrados
#Nuzleaf = Shiftry
#Wingull = Pelipper
#Ralts = Kirlia = Ga...
#Shroomish = Breloom
#Burmy = Wormadam or Mothim
#Skorupi = Drapion

So vary a little okay?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:good point, I'm just a stickler for that stuff. it always bothered me when Pokémon evolutions didn't have similar cries in the games {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Clawsir ==
One more thing i can't stand. Pinsir is a pun on Pincer. There is no such thing as a Clawcer. Only a Claw.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:i did make a note "the name needs work" that being said, what do you think? and do you like the idea of a Bug/Dark type? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well I love darkness. What do you think you're gonna name it? Clark? Claw and Dark. {This is not funny and is not meant to be funny){{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::wow, if it were real, "Clark" would be the best nickname ever. could go the generic route and say "Darklaw" or something {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Hey, Crushir might be a good name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::not a bad name, but i cant help but feel its a bit generic...i have since renamed it "Guiloreap", i think its still a bit to busy, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::Sorry I was away, watching Saw. I like the reap part but not a big fan of the Guilo.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== For Gen II, III, IV ==

I think a {{p|Houndoom}} evo would be cool. Also a baby form of {{p|Absol}}. And of course a {{p|Pachirisu}} evo. Maybe it could be a flying squirrel and become Electric/Flying.

Anyway, great choices so far. Can't wait to see more --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Pachirisu flying squirrel, thats a really good one, ill get one that one. as for Houndoom? idk, hes pretty awesome, ill think about it. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::Throw it off a cliff LOL!! That's a good one. Have you ever thought of different Eeveelutions? --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm all for the idea of a Pachirisu evo, but I'd prefer it to be a pure Electric-type with the Levitate ability.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think that Rotom could use an evolved form. It would basically be more like Pulseman.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:why would there be a reason for Levitating Pachirisu? a flying squirrel is a real thing. as for Rotom, yea, i was thinking about it, give folks a reason to have to wait until after the E4 to get him. also, i probably wont do Eeveelutions, theres no real work involved in them, just copy and paste types and stats, and give it a generic name. Drageon, Steeleon, Toxeon, etc..{{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. I just like the idea of a pure-Electric type.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::well, theres 20 other pure Eelctric-types, im sure almost all of them are better than Pachirisu.. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::With Levitate, it wouldn't have any weaknesses. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::my stance on '''flying''' squirrel stands. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Flying squirrels don't actually fly, they just glide. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm for the Flying-type Pachirisu. Why? Cause. No weaknesses are just hax, man. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::i agree, i dispise Sableye and Spiritomb, and thats comming from a hacker! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 02:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Separating the charts? ==

Why not do that, for evos and prevos? Prevos get one section, evos get another. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:the idea had come to me, i suppose ill do it tomorrow, its almost 3:00AM {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh boy, three AM! *grabs a burger and chomps on it* {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::well, i have no idea what that was about, but i do have a full time job and i get up at 7, so, i think ill be going now....btw, thanks for cleaning up my page. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 07:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Drillix ==

How about this. Speedix could be Steel and Dark type, with Dark being the secondary type. I mean think about it, a giant metal drill that moves around on its own seems more like a dual Dark type to me. And it must learn Horn Drill of course. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:i like the idea, but, if hes digging around underground, i think itd make more sence to be ground-type. btw, please tell me you have an idea for a better name, this one is killing me. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::True that. But Pokemon can't have three typing anyhow.... and battle-wise, he would probably get a 4x weakness to Fighting if he were Steel and Dark type. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I always thought that {{p|Onix}} needed a pre-evolution. Onix is '''''WAY''''' to big to be an unevolved Pokémon. Satoshi Tajiri managed to avoid making a pre-evolution for {{p|Rhyhorn}} by giving {{p|Rhydon}} an evolution, and I'd hate for that to happen with Onix.[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::::thats a really good point...hows about Speedix be an alternative to Onix? (like bellossom) {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
i changed the name, thoughts? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mawile ==

Evolve The Kucheat! And don't name it Bawile. DO NOT. Or else I will harm you. REALLY. REALLY. BADLY. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:that would be terrible, and it does need an evolution {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::toss me some ideas here {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Japanese name could be Krakcheat. English, Jaworn. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, and don't forget: Steel/Dark plz. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::you dont mind a 4x weakness? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to Fighting. That's easily solved with Aerial Ace, if it can learn it. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 23:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::t seems like everything can learn that, and because were making it up, why not?? so hows about "Jawile" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Jawile, I guess. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::クラチート Krakcheat. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you name the Mawile evo "Kucheat"? That's Mawile's Japanese name. You can't use that. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 07:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

TTE suggested it. However, I believe it will now be changed to Jawile. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I suggested merely to evolve The Kucheat. {{ani|303}} {{tt|Maw!|Meh!}} {{ani|107}} {{tt|Hitmon-chaaaaan!|Holy craaaaap!}} {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you did indeed say evolve The Kucheat. My mistake. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:other than the hardcore fans, no one knows Mawiles name is Kucheat. i like the name, so i figured swap the american and jap names around, though, Jawile has come up as well. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Same with Sonans/Wobbuffet and Sohnano/Wynaut. "That's how it is!" and "Really?" in Japan, a wobbly thing you hit and why shouldn't you in English. Doesn't prevent me from thinking they dropped the ball. Besides, Krakcheat would come from Kraken and cheat, not kuchi and cheat. If anything, Mawile would've been better having its name the same in the US. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::So, are you suggesting that Krakcheat would be part-squid?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I dunno. Maybe it could have some elements... {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, im really lost here, so, lets break it down. the name for the new Mawile evo should be: Jawile, Kucheat, Krakcheat, Other. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Sableye==
There should be an evolution of Sableye if there's an evolution of Mawile! And it should have Wonder Guard. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:yes to evolution, no to Wonder Guard..hehe {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::Why shouldn't it have Wonder Guard? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::You can see some of my other ideas [[User:Shiny Noctowl/New evolutions|here]]. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  21:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't I already explain to you why NO Wonder Guard? Because a Dark/Ghost type Pokemon has no weakness, and one having Wonder Guard would be entirely unfair and IILEGAL in the metagame. Goodness. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 22:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it wouldn't be invincible. All you would need is a pokemon with Foresight and a Fighting type move. Still, it would be hard. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i dont want to sound like a jerk, but no, its not going to happen, if it did, i would stop playing Pokemon {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

==Breloom==

I think there should be an evolution of breloom, with less weaknesses. Just spitballing. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:idk, theres not much that can be done there. Breloom is a Grass/Fighting type. theres been no pokemon that gains a type, then gets rid of it. if anything, i was considering a middle evolution because Shroomish is some tiny blob with no limbs and suddenly its a full size FIGHTING type! it didnt even have arms before!! {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 06:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Never any middle-intermediate evos, and besides... why mess with it when the final product is the same...? {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 07:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::so on that basis, Breloom is untouchable. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 21:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::It could have another evolution, or Shroomish could have an alternate evo. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 22:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::yea, i suppose, but grass types are so unuseable... {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== How? ==

Thr... Thr... Throw it off a cliff!? Are you just being funny are have you gone mad?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 23:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:maybe both? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Plusle/Minum ==

Why don't they have a baby form of Plusle/Minum. It could evolve like Tyrogue. And also, they should have an evolved form, and you have to level up Plusle with a MinusCharge, and Minum with a Plus Charge [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:i like that idea, ill think about it {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

I think Kecleon might get an evolved form sooner or later. Aside from the fact that it's a mere novelty Pokémon, it lacks {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}. The majority of Pokémon that can use those moves are fully evolved.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:He can't learn those? Certainly something I'll look into. I was also looking into a Ditto or Smeargle evo. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 23:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I never realized that until I was fixing up {{p|Kecleon}}'s article yesterday.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Lunatone and Solrock==
What about a pre-evolveded forms of Lunatone and Solrock, kind of like Tyrouge, who evolves into at night or day. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 23:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:makes sence to me, though it seems a tad unnecesary. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 03:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine and Ninetails ==

How about Fire/Ghost type evo for [[Ninetails]] and a Fire/Dragon type evo for [[Arcanine]]? Since the two are based on the [[wp:Kitsune]] and [[wp:Imperial guardian lion]] respectivly [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:The only problem: Stone evolutions never evolve. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 06:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::i dont see the problem with stone evo pokemon evolving, but Arcanine being a fire/dragon type, hmm, idk. but on my do over page i said Ninetails should be a fire/ghost type. in the mean time, i dont see that as a bad thing. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 17:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Skarmory ==

I really think Skarmory needs an evolution. It has good typing, fairly good moves, but it stats just aren't good enough. It's defense stat is high, but low compared to pokemon such as Aggron, Regirock, and Cloyster. Also, it says on it's Pokedex entrythat it can go over 180mph, but it is slower than pokemon like Magikarp and Rattatta. So, it really needs a faster evolution. [[User:Random279|Random279]]

:done. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 18:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dunsparce ==

You haven't thought of a name yet? I don't know if it is good or not but how bout Matrare?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:whats that? mattress and rare? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Matte and rare.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? Are you there? Are you dead?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::yea, i was rearging and modding the page. as for the name, hows about "Mattare"? i think it flows better. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Sure. It took only an hour for me to decide between one or two "t"s anyway. It looks better without the "r" too.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest the name "Mialoof", but a guy name lydario from Deviantart already made up a Dunsparce evo with that name.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Can you cite a reference? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Here[http://lydario.deviantart.com/art/MIALOOF-56195203]!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Not bad. You can change if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Oh MAGNEDETH would have been dead already if he was just sitting there waiting for you to answer.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It's better. Change it if you want.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== My Ideas ==
Lapras, Ditto, Xatu, Quilfish, Heracross, Shuckle, Corsola

Do you think Lapras should have an evolution or a prevolution?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lapras'd be good for a prevo. Not evolution, as it's great as it is. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::I have the same thoughts.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::as soon as i saw "Lapras" i thought prevo. also, dont just barf text like that poke102, start a new section. make it somthing like "my ideas" {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

How bout Luvdisc or Chatot?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:Ditto doesn't need anything, imo.
:Qwilfish is pretty weak, so I'd think that it'd get an evo.
:Everyone in competitive battling loves Heracross. I think a prevo'd be good.
:Shuckle and prevo'd be nice. GUYS WE DON'T NEED AN EVO FOR THIS THING AND GIVE IT HAX STATS END OF STORY.
:Corsola should get both. :p
:Sableye should get an evo. Something that'd look at Spiritomb and say 'Hey, he's equal to me.' instead of 'Man I wish I was that strong.'
:Zangoose and prevo, yes, Seviper and evo, yes.
:Luvdisc and Chatot should get an evo. Luvdisc does like.. nothing good, seriously. At least I could kick ass with my Chatot.
:Just my little 2 cents. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking either evos for Zangoose and Sevi, or Prevos for Zangoose and Viper. {{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dammit I had like, 5 edit conflicts on this thing. e_e {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:before i go any further, id like to tell Pokemaniac102 to STOP POSTING ONE THING AT A TIME! i cant reply if i keep getting edit conflicts. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 19:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh I finished.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 19:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::ok, i think Luvdisc shouldnt exsist in the first place {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you that heartless?{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc is a good idea, but Chatot isn't yet. A Shedinja prevo would be good as well. [[User|Random279|Random279]] 20:02 , 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shedninja already has one.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Chatot could probibly use an evo, as for Shedinja, it already has one, its called {{p|Nincada}} {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::MY FIRST EDIT CONFLICT! Chatot is a great idea.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I mean as in if you breed Shedinja it will hatch into this and not Nincada. This page really needs less edit conflicts. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::IT IS GENDERLESS!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 20:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Ditto is genderless, and you can breed that! [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::i can breed Magnemite, the real point is that theres no reason to have a Shedinja thing {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Random ==
There should be a Bug/Ice type evo, or maybe a Bug/Electric. [[User:Random279|Random279]] 20:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:well, i was thinking Voltbeat and Illunice, or something to that effect. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 20:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I would've thought that Volbeat and Illumise would have evos that were Bug/Electric and Bug/Fire respectively.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually I was thinking Volbeat has an evo with Bug/Fire and Illumise an evo with Bug/Ice. But, I'll stop placing comments here if it keeps bothering MAGNEDETH.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::no, its fine, i was just getting annoyed when 4 people are editing and i get conflicts. as for the Pokemon, well, they are LIGHTNING bugs, arent they? {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Skarmory==
I've also been thinking that Skarmory should have a prevolution.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:given Skarmory's 25 catch rate, that wouldnt be a bad idea {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh so close. Its base stat total is 570. If it was at least 600, and you made a prevolution, it could be a Pseudo-legendary.{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 18:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Then give it an evelution with more BA stats!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 21:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Bulbasaur

2008-01-06T20:46:53Z

Quick Man:

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
trainername=Ash|
pokemonname=Bulbasaur|
jtrainername=サトシ|
jpokemonname=フシギダネ|
tmtrainername=Satoshi|
tmpokemonname=Fushigidane|
image=[[Image:Ash's_Bulbasaur.jpg|200px]] |
caption=Bulbasaur using {{m|Vine Whip}}. |
location=[[Hidden Village]] |
gender=Male|
prevonum=001|
epnum=EP010|
epname=Bulbasaur and the Hidden Village|
current=At [[Professor Oak]]'s lab|
java1=[[Megumi Hayashibara]]|
enva1=[[Tara Jayne]] ([[4Kids]]) [[Michelle Knotz]] ([[PUSA]])|
}}
'''Ash's Bulbasaur''' (Japanese: '''サトシのフシギダネ''' ''Satoshi's Fushigidane'') was the fourth [[Pokémon]] caught by [[Ash]] during his travels through [[Kanto]], and the first of the original [[starter Pokémon]] that Ash acquired. He is voiced by 林原めぐみ ''[[Megumi Hayashibara]]'' in the Japanese version. His English voice actresses are [[Tara Jayne]] ([[4Kids]] dub; up until [[Pokémon: Advanced Challenge|Advanced Challenge]]) and [[Michelle Knotz]] ([[Pokémon USA]]/[[TAJ Productions]] dub).

He was raised in the [[Hidden Village]] by [[Melanie]], who cared for sick, injured, and abandoned Pokémon. Bulbasaur acted as the village's bodyguard, but after Ash helps defend the Hidden Village from an attack by [[Team Rocket]], Melanie encourages him to join Ash, explaining that his growth is being stunted by staying too long in the village. Although Bulbasaur intially appeared to distrust Ash- in "''[[EP017|Island of Giant Pokemon]]''", he alone assumed that Ash had abandoned him and the others, his views on trainers presumably coloured by all the abandoned Pokemon in the Hidden Village-, over time he grew to trust his new trainer.

[[Image:Bulbasaur anime.gif|left|thumb|Bulbasaur protecting an {{p|Oddish}}.]]
Bulbasaur is extremely stubborn, surly, and eager to battle. He had the opportunity to [[evolve]], but refused to do so despite facing a mass of {{p|Ivysaur}} as well as a {{p|Venusaur}} who were angry at him for ruining the Bulbasaur evolutionary festival. This allowed him to learn the powerful {{m|SolarBeam}} technique earlier than if he had evolved. He has the heart of a fighter and he never gives up in a battle. He has the determination to keep fighting even if the odds are against him, defeating such varied opponents as an {{p|Exeggutor}}, a {{p|Venonat}}, and a {{p|Scyther}} despite the type disadvantages.

Bulbasaur is the only member of Ash's original team, save for {{AP|Pikachu}}, to remain in his care. He stayed with him until midway in the [[Johto]] adventures, when he was sent back to [[Professor Oak]]'s to keep the Pokémon there from quarreling with each other. Bulbasaur later returned during the [[Advanced Generation series|Advanced Generation]] saga to meet [[May's Bulbasaur]] and fall in [[VineShipping|love]] with it and as well to battle [[Pyramid King Brandon|Brandon]] at the [[Battle Frontier#Battle Pyramid|Battle Pyramid]], where it defeated Brandon's {{p|Dusclops}} and {{p|Solrock}} (Although, admittedly, the Dusclops had already been weakened by {{AP|Charizard}} and the Solrock took Bulbasaur down with it).

==Moves used==
* {{m|Tackle}}
* {{m|Leech Seed}}
* {{m|Vine Whip}}
* {{m|Sleep Powder}}
* {{m|Razor Leaf}}
* {{m|Solarbeam}}
* {{m|Take Down}}
* {{m|Dig}}
* {{m|Whirlwind}}
[[Image:Bulbasaur Whirlwind.PNG|right|thumb|[[Ash]] commanding Bulbasaur to use {{m|Whirlwind}}.]]
* {{m|Tickle}}

==Trivia==
* Ash's Bulbasaur has used moves that {{p|Bulbasaur}} [[Anime move errors|are unable to learn in the games]]:
** Bulbasaur used {{m|Whirlwind}} in ''[[EP032|The Ninja Poké-Showdown]]'', and has not used it since.
** Bulbasaur has also used {{m|Dig}} in ''[[EP225|Bulbasaur...the Ambassador]]''!
** Bulbasaur used {{m|Tickle}} in ''[[EP050|Who Gets to Keep Togepi?]]'' before it became an official move.
** Ash's Bulbasaur is the only Pokémon in the [[Anime]] to use more than one [[Anime move errors|Illegal Move]]
* Bulbasaur is Ash's only Pokémon who refused to evolve after the process began.

==Related articles==
{{Animespecies|Bulbasaur}}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/poke/r_p-satoshi2.html Fushigidane's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{{Ash's Pokémon}}
[[Category:Ash's Pokémon|Bulbasaur]]
[[pt:Bulbasaur de Ash]]
[[de:Ashs Bisasam]]

Arcanine (Pokémon)

2008-01-06T20:39:58Z

Quick Man: Undo revision 274410 by Lan (Talk) (That is a pure Opinion)

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Growlithe | next=Poliwag }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Arcanine |
jname=ウインディ |
tmname=Windie |
image=059Arcanine.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=059 |
jdex=128 |
hdex=246 |
sdex=? |
fdex=145 |
typen=1 |
type1=Fire |
type2= |
species=Legendary |
height-ftin=6′03″ |
height-m=1.9 |
weight-lbs=341.7 |
weight-kg=155.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Intimidate |
ability2=Flash Fire |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Ground |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 Atk |
expyield=213 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=25 |
male=75 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=75 |
pokefordex=arcanine |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Arcanine''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ウインディ ''Windie'') is a {{t|Fire}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Arcanine is a canine-like Pokémon that resemble the mythical Chinese Shisa (a cross between a lion and a dog). Its head is covered in a cream colored hair, except for the region around its eyes and ears, which is orange. Its body is covered with a combination of orange fur with black stripes, and the aforementioned cream colored hair. The cream colored hair is on its chest and well as the back of its front legs, along with a portion around its hind legs, and on it's tail. It's paws each have three claws as well as a round pink paw underneath of them.
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
Arcanine can spit large trails of flame, as well as run with {{m2|ExtremeSpeed|extreme speed}}.

==Behavior==
Wise and loyal, Arcanine are prized Pokémon.
==Habitat==
[[Image:Grassland.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Grassland Pokémon|Grassland Pokémon]]]]
Arcanine live in active volcanoes, grassy plains, and scorched fields heated by geothermal energy.

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
[[Image:GaryRidingArcanine.jpg|thumb|right|[[Gary]] and [[Gary's Arcanine|his Arcanine]]]]
[[Gary Oak]] has an [[Gary's Arcanine|Arcanine]]. The first time it was seen was in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

Arcanine and its pre-evolution, {{p|Growlithe}}, have often been seen being used as [[Officer Jenny's Growlithe|police dogs]].

[[Ash]] battled an Arcanine in ''[[EP076|Fire and Ice]]''. This Arcanine was under the ownership of [[Pete Pebbleman]] and was his final Pokémon. Despite the type disadvantage, Pete's Arcanine easily defeated [[Ash's Kingler]] by dodging its {{m|Bubble}} attack and using {{m|Dragon Rage}}. [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]] managed to defeat the Arcanine with a {{m|Thunderbolt}} attack after the Ice Field melted due to Arcanine's {{m|Fire Blast}}.

In ''[[EP190|The Stolen Stones]]'', two trainers named [[Ramona]] and [[Keagan]] each had an Arcanine.
[[Image:Arcanine anime.jpg|left|thumb|The Arcanine from ''[[AG139|On Cloud Arcanine]]'']]
In ''[[AG139|On Cloud Arcanine]]'', [[Drew]] and [[May (anime)|May]] wanted to capture an Arcanine for a [[Pokémon Contest]]. When it was discovered that the Legendary Pokémon had a litter of Growlithe puppies to take of, the two rivals decided to leave Arcanine alone.

In ''[[AG153|Tactics Theatrics]]'', [[Dome Ace Tucker]] used Arcanine and {{p|Swampert}} to battle against [[Ash's Swellow]] and [[Ash's Corphish|Corphish]].

=In the manga=
In [[Pokémon Special]], [[Blaine]] is seen to have an Arcanine from a flashback in {{PSV|3}}, when he recalls a confrontation with [[Team Rocket]].

{{Special|Crystal}} has an Arcanine, whom she uses for transport at times. It is able to hit targets fast and hard using its {{m|ExtremeSpeed}}. As explained in a flashback in {{PSV|11}}, Arcanine was a [[wild Pokémon]] from [[Mt. Mortar]] whose left eye was injured five years ago. The cause is revealed to be a {{p|Larvitar}} prankster, whom Crystal manages to capture.

=In the TCG=
{{main|Arcanine (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=fire
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A Pokémon that has been admired since the past for its beauty. It runs agilely as if on wings.
|yellowdex=A legendary Pokémon in [[wp:China|China]]. Many people are charmed by its grace and beauty while running.
|stadiumdex=A Pokémon whose beauty is legendary in China. It is said to run gracefully and lightly, as if it were flying.
|golddex=This legendary Chinese Pokémon is considered magnificent. Many people are enchanted by its grand mane.
|silverdex=Its magnificent bark conveys a sense of majesty. Anyone hearing it can't help but grovel before it.
|crystaldex=An ancient picture scroll shows that people were attracted to its movement as it ran through prairies.
|stadium2dex=This legendary Chinese Pokémon is considered magnificent. Many people are enchanted by its grand mane.
|rubydex=Arcanine is known for its high speed. It is said to be capable of running over 6,200 miles in a single day and night. The fire that blazes wildly within this Pokémon's body is its source of power.
|sapphiredex=Arcanine is known for its high speed. It is said to be capable of running over 6,200 miles in a single day and night. The fire that blazes wildly within this Pokémon's body is its source of power.
|emeralddex=This fleet-footed Pokémon is said to run over 6,200 miles in a single day and night. The fire that blazes wildly within its body is its source of power.
|firereddex=A Pokémon that is described in Chinese legends. It is said to race at an unbelievable speed.
|leafgreendex=A Pokémon that has long been admired for its beauty. It runs agilely as if on wings.
|diamonddex=Its proud and regal appearance has captured the hearts of people since long ago.
|pearldex=Its proud and regal appearance has captured the hearts of people since long ago.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=fire |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
gsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
carea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
xdarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
palarea=Field |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fire color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei]]
| Endless Level 74 Endless Level 24 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Growlithe}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Jungle Relic]]
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=90 |
Attack=110 |
Defense=80 |
SpAtk=100 |
SpDef=80 |
Special=80 |
Speed=95 }}

==Type effectiveness==

{{DP type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

Notes:
#If Arcanine has the {{A|Flash Fire}} ability, the effectiveness of {{T|Fire}} attacks will be 0.
#In [[Generation I]], the effectiveness of {{t|Ice}}-type moves is 100.

==Learnset==
{{evolved learnset intro|Arcanine}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fire color}};"
! Level || [[Generation I]]
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| 39 || || || || {{M|ExtremeSpeed}}
|-
| 49 || || || {{M|ExtremeSpeed}} ||
|-
| 50 || || {{M|ExtremeSpeed}} || ||
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fire color}};"
! # || [[Generation I]]
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM02 || || {{M|Headbutt}} || ||
|-
| TM03 || || {{m|Curse}} || ||
|-
| TM05 || || {{M|Roar}} || {{M|Roar}} || {{M|Roar}}
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}}
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Body Slam}} || {{M|Rock Smash}} || ||
|-
| TM09 || {{m|Take Down}} || || ||
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM13 || || {{M|Snore}} || ||
|-
| TM15 || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}}
|-
| TM17 || || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Rage}} || {{m|Endure}} || ||
|-
| TM21 || || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM22 || || || || {{M|SolarBeam}}
|-
| TM23 || {{M|Dragon Rage}} || {{M|Iron Tail}} || {{M|Iron Tail}} || {{M|Iron Tail}}
|-
| TM24 || || {{M|DragonBreath}} || ||
|-
| TM27 || || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM28 || {{M|Dig}} || {{M|Dig}} || {{M|Dig}} || {{M|Dig}}
|-
| TM30 || {{M|Teleport}} || || ||
|-
| TM31 || {{m|Mimic}} || || ||
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{m|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM33 || {{M|Reflect}} || || ||
|-
| TM34 || {{m|Bide}} || {{M|Swagger}} || ||
|-
| TM35 || || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || '''{{M|Flamethrower}}''' || '''{{M|Flamethrower}}'''
|-
| TM38 || '''{{M|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{M|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{M|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{M|Fire Blast}}'''
|-
| TM39 || {{M|Swift}} || {{M|Swift}} || ||
|-
| TM40 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || || {{M|Aerial Ace}} || {{M|Aerial Ace}}
|-
| TM42 || || || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || || || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM46 || || || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}}
|-
| TM50 || {{M|Substitute}} || || '''{{M|Overheat}}''' || '''{{M|Overheat}}'''
|-
| TM58 || || || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM59 || || || || {{M|Dragon Pulse}}
|-
| TM61 || || || || {{M|Will-O-Wisp}}
|-
| TM68 || || || || {{M|Giga Impact}}
|-
| TM78 || || || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 || || || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || || || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 || || || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || || || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM04 || || || {{M|Strength}} || {{M|Strength}}
|-
| HM06 || || || {{M|Rock Smash}} || {{M|Rock Smash}}
|-
| HM08 || || || || {{M|Rock Climb}}
|}

===By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]===
In Pokémon Crystal Only:
* {{m|Flamethrower}}
In Pokémon FireRed, Pokémon LeafGreen, and Pokémon Emerald:
* {{m|Body Slam}}
* {{m|Double-Edge}}
* {{m|Mimic}}
* {{m|Substitute}}
In Pokémon Emerald Only:
* {{m|Endure}}
* {{m|Sleep Talk}}
* {{m|Snore}}
* {{m|Swagger}}
* {{m|Swift}}

===[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves===
*{{m|Quick Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=fire |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Scorched Plains |
P1= No one can keep up with my [[ExtremeSpeed (move)|speed]]! |
P2= My health has dropped to half. Better be careful. |
P3= It's no good... I can't build up my speed anymore... |
PL= All right! That's a level up! I'll go for it! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Fire |
typeA= Fire |
field= Burn x3 |
browser= Arcanine moves at blurring speeds while breathing powerful flames. |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="5" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=058.png |
name=Growlithe }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Fire Stone |
image=059.png |
name=Arcanine }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=fire|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=059|
name=Arcanine|
}}

=Trivia=
*Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze".
*Arcanine has the highest base stats of any Pokémon that only evolves once.
*Because of its high stats, its [[species]], and the fact that it was illustrated in an ancient slab along with the [[Legndary Birds]] in the [[EP002|second episode]], it can be assumed that Arcanine was originally planned to be part of the legendary trio in first generation games, though later dropped for {{p|Moltres}}.

==Origin==
Arcanine is based on Japanese [[wp:Shisa|シーサー ''shisa'']], or ''koma-inu''. They are mythical creatures that take inspiration from lions, tigers, and dogs. Statues of them in pairs are used as guardians and to invite good luck.

===Name origin===
Arcanine's name is a combination of ''arcane'', meaning mysterious, and ''[[wp:canine|canine]]'', meaning dog. Windi may refer to wind, because this Pokémon runs like a wind as if it was flying and at great speed.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Arkani
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Arcanin
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 윈디 ''Windi''

=External links=
*[[wp:Arcanine|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Growlithe | next=Poliwag }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Arkani]]
[[ja:ウインディ]]
[[pl:Arcanine]]
[[pt:Arcanine (pokémon)]]

User talk:Quick Man

2008-01-06T19:40:43Z

Quick Man: /* A question */

== A question ==

As the first person to finish my first mission, could you please give me some ideas for the other prize besides the userbox?--[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 19:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you have Wi-fi, you could give out, A POKÉMON *A lightbulb hits you*--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 19:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Quick Man

2008-01-06T19:39:00Z

Quick Man: /* A question */

[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]]{{Ani|107}}

== A question ==

As the first person to finish my first mission, could you please give me some ideas for the other prize besides the userbox?--[[Image:Ani260MS.gif]][[User:Ace|Ace]][[Image:Ani384MS.gif]] 19:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you have Wi-fi, you could give out, A POKÉMON *A lightbulb hits you*

Talk:Cheating

2008-01-05T14:43:00Z

Quick Man:

I HATE cheaters! Unless it's to get an Event Pokemon you can't get otherwise... then I suppose it's alright. Actually, I also use "walk anywhere" from time to time, just because it's fun. [[User: Ph34rshallriseagain]]

:We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject...
:Random subject is random? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 20:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be lists of gameshark codes on Bulbapedia... I know a lot of people are 'against' codes, but I think a Wiki should strive to include all the information about the pokemon games possible, especially considering that gameshark codes are so well-known in the history of pokemon games ^^

I'm not sure how to start making pages for codes though, and how they should be laid out on a page... can anyone help out? --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 11:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. But there are so many anti-cheater extremists that I think it would be impossible. Saying that you never cheated on a Pokémon game in your life is a down right lie. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 11:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, as long as we take a 'Neutral Point of View' approach, and post them for the purpose of complete information for a Pokemon wiki, I personally think it should be okay. ^^ There won't (or shouldn't) be any kind of extremist drama either way as long as there's a NPOV stance. :3 --[[User:Malorie|Malorie]] 12:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, No. NO Gameshark codes! We are an informitive wiki, NOT an on-line strategy guide! {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 13:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Woot! Gameshark and AR codes, GO CHEATING! WOOT!--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 14:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Venonat (Pokémon)

2008-01-05T14:36:26Z

Quick Man: That is not needed and probibly just a counicadance

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Parasect | next=Venomoth }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Venonat |
jname=コンパン |
tmname=Kongpang |
image=048Venonat.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=048 |
jdex=108 |
hdex=237 |
sdex=? |
fdex=153 |
sdex=— |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Poison |
species=Insect |
height-ftin=3′03″ |
height-m=1.0 |
weight-lbs=66.1 |
weight-kg=30.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Compoundeyes |
ability2=Tinted Lens |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=1 SpD |
expyield=75 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=190 |
pokefordex=venonat |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Venonat''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: コンパン ''Kongpang'') is a {{2t|Bug|Poison}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Venonat has a round body covered in purple fur. It has a pair of clodhopper feet and stubby forepaws. Venonat has a pincer-like mouth, red compound eyes and white antenna.
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
Venonat has highly developed eyes, which it uses to help find suitable prey.

==Behavior==

Venonat has an attraction towards bright light.

==Habitat==
[[Image:Forest.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Forest Pokémon|Forest Pokémon]]]]
Venonat live in denses forests with lots of undergrowth and little light.

==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

Venonat eat small bugs.

=In the anime=
[[Image:126.jpg|right|thumb|[[Tracey's Venonat]]]]
[[Koga]] and [[Aya]] of [[Fuschia City]] both have a Venonat. Koga's evolved into a Venomoth.

[[Tracey Sketchit]] has a [[Tracey's Venonat|Venonat]].

=In the TCG=
{{main|Venonat (TCG)}}

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
{{Dex
|type=bug
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Lives in the shadows of tall trees where it eats bugs. It is attracted by light at night.
|yellowdex=Its large eyes act as radars. In a bright place, you can see that they are clusters of many tiny eyes.
|stadiumdex=Uses its large, radar-like eyes to move around in darkness. It is instinctively attracted to light.
|golddex=Its eyes also function as radar units. It catches and eats small bugs that hide in darkness.
|silverdex=Poison oozes from all over its body. It catches and eats small bugs at night that are attracted by light.
|crystaldex=The small bugs it eats appear only at night, so it sleeps in a hole in a tree until night falls.
|stadium2dex=Its eyes also function as radar units. It catches and eats small bugs that hide in darkness.
|rubydex=Venonat is said to have evolved with a coat of thin, stiff hair that covers its entire body for protection. It possesses large eyes that never fail to spot even miniscule prey.
|sapphiredex=Venonat is said to have evolved with a coat of thin, stiff hair that covers its entire body for protection. It possesses large eyes that never fail to spot even miniscule prey.
|emeralddex=Its coat of thin, stiff hair that covers its entire body is said to have evolved for protection. Its large eyes never fail to spot even miniscule prey.
|firereddex=Its eyes act as radar, enabling it to be active in darkness. The eyes can also shoot powerful [[Signal Beam (move)|beams]].
|leafgreendex=Lives in the shadows of tall trees where it eats bugs. It is attracted by light at night.
|diamonddex=Its big eyes are actually clusters of tiny eyes. At night, its kind is drawn by light.
|pearldex=Its big eyes are actually clusters of tiny eyes. At night, its kind is drawn by light.
|}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability|
type=Bug |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Common |
rbarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|12}}, {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}}, [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
yrarity=Common |
yarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|12}}, {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}} |
gsrarity=Common |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|24}}, {{rtn|25}}, and {{rtn|43}}, [[Bug-Catching Contest]] |
crarity=Common |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|9}}, {{rtn|10}}, {{rtn|14}}, {{rtn|15}}, {{rtn|24}}, {{rtn|25}}, and {{rtn|43}}, [[Bug-Catching Contest]], [[National Park]], [[Ilex Forest]], ({{m|Headbutt}}) |
frlgrarity=Common |
frlgarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|12}}, {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}}, [[Berry Forest]], [[Bond Bridge]], [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea={{rt|229}} ([[Poké Radar]]) |
palarea=Forest |
}}
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei]]
| Huge Storage 4 Endless Level 57 Forever Level 1 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Uproar Forest]] (1F-4F) [[Western Cave]] (1F-3F) [[Murky Cave]] (1F-5F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Olive Jungle]]
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=60 |
Attack=55 |
Defense=50 |
SpAtk=40 |
SpDef=55 |
Special=40 |
Speed=45 }}

==Type effectiveness==

{{DP type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=25 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

In [[Generation I]], the effectiveness of {{t|Bug}}-type moves is 200, and of {{T|Poison}}-type is 100.

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Venonat}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! ROWSPAN=2 | Level
! COLSPAN=2 | [[Generation I]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation II]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation III]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
| RB || Y
|-
| Start || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER | {{m|Tackle}} {{M|Disable}} || {{m|Tackle}} {{M|Disable}} {{M|Foresight}} || {{m|Tackle}} {{M|Disable}} {{M|Foresight}} || {{M|Tackle}} {{M|Disable}} {{M|Foresight}}
|-
| 5 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Supersonic}}
|-
| 9 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Supersonic}} || {{M|Supersonic}} ||
|-
| 11 || || {{M|Supersonic}} || || || {{M|Confusion}}
|-
| 13 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|PoisonPowder}}
|-
| 17 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Confusion}} || {{M|Confusion}} || '''{{M|Leech Life}}'''
|-
| 19 || || {{M|Confusion}} || || ||
|-
| 20 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|PoisonPowder}} || {{M|PoisonPowder}} ||
|-
| 22 || || {{M|PoisonPowder}} || || ||
|-
| 23 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Stun Spore}}
|-
| 24 || {{M|PoisonPowder}} || || || ||
|-
| 25 || COLSPAN=2 | || '''{{M|Leech Life}}''' || '''{{M|Leech Life}}''' || {{M|Psybeam}}
|-
| 27 || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER | '''{{M|Leech Life}}''' || || ||
|-
| 28 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Stun Spore}} || {{M|Stun Spore}} ||
|-
| 29 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Sleep Powder}}
|-
| 30 || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER| {{M|Stun Spore}} || || ||
|-
| 33 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Psybeam}} || {{M|Psybeam}} ||
|-
| 35 || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER | {{M|Psybeam}} || || || '''{{M|Signal Beam}}'''
|-
| 36 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Sleep Powder}} || {{M|Sleep Powder}} ||
|-
| 37 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Zen Headbutt}}
|-
| 38 || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER| {{M|Sleep Powder}} || || ||
|-
| 41 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}} || '''{{M|Poison Fang}}'''
|-
| 43 || COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=CENTER | {{M|Psychic}} || || ||
|-
| 47 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Psychic}}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
! ROWSPAN=2 | #
! COLSPAN=2 | [[Generation I]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation II]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation III]]
! ROWSPAN=2 | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{bug color}};"
| RB || Y
|-
| TM02 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Razor Wind}} || || ||
|-
| TM03 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Swords Dance}} || {{m|Curse}} || ||
|-
| TM06 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}}
|-
| TM09 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Take Down}} || || ||
|-
| TM10 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM12 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Sweet Scent}} || ||
|-
| TM13 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Snore}} || ||
|-
| TM15 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Hyper Beam}} || || ||
|-
| TM17 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM19 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Giga Drain}} || {{M|Giga Drain}} || {{M|Giga Drain}}
|-
| TM20 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Rage}} || {{m|Endure}} || ||
|-
| TM21 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Mega Drain}} || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM22 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|SolarBeam}} || {{M|SolarBeam}} || {{M|SolarBeam}} || {{M|SolarBeam}}
|-
| TM27 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM29 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}}
|-
| TM31 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Mimic}} || || ||
|-
| TM32 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Double Team}} || {{m|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM33 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Reflect}} || || ||
|-
| TM34 || COLSPAN=2 | {{m|Bide}} || {{M|Swagger}} || ||
|-
| TM35 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || ||
|-
| TM36 || COLSPAN=2 | || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}''' || '''{{M|Sludge Bomb}}'''
|-
| TM39 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Swift}} || {{M|Swift}} || ||
|-
| TM42 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || COLSPAN=2 | || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM46 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Psywave}} || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}}
|-
| TM48 || COLSPAN=2 | || || {{M|Skill Swap}} || {{M|Skill Swap}}
|-
| TM50 || COLSPAN=2 | {{M|Substitute}} || || ||
|-
| TM58 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM70 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM78 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || COLSPAN=2 | || || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM05 || || {{M|Flash}} || || ||
|}

===By [[breeding]]===
In [[Generation III]]
* {{m|Baton Pass}}
*{{m|Giga Drain}}
* {{m|Screech}}
* '''{{m|Signal Beam}}'''
In [[Generation IV]]
*{{m|Agility}}
*{{m|Baton Pass}}
*'''{{m|Bug Bite}}'''
*{{m|Giga Drain}}
*{{m|Morning Sun}}
* {{m|Screech}}
* '''{{m|Signal Beam}}'''
*{{m|Toxic Spikes}}

===By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]===
In Pokémon FireRed, Pokémon LeafGreen, and Pokémon Emerald:
* {{m|Double-Edge}}
* {{m|Mimic}}
* {{m|Substitute}}
* {{m|Swagger}}
In Pokémon Emerald only:
* {{m|Endure}}
* {{m|Sleep Talk}}
* {{m|Snore}}
* {{m|Swift}}

===[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves===
*{{m|Bite}} {{ic|Dark}}

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=bug |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=11.4% |
area=Secretive Forest |
P1= The beams from my eyes make it safe in darkness! |
P2= I'm getting down to half HP now. |
P3= I'm almost done... I can't even use my [[Signal Beam (move)|beams]] anymore... |
PL= All right! I leveled! I'll go for it! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Bug |
typeA= Poison |
field= None |
browser= Venonat hops about while scattering puffs of poison mist. |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="5" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=048.png |
name=Venonat }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 31 |
image=049.png |
name=Venomoth }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=bug|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=048|
name=Venonat|
}}

=Trivia=

==Origin==
Venonat is most likely based on a gnat.
===Name origin===
Venonat's name is likely a combination of ''[[wp:venom|venom]]'' and ''[[wp:gnat|gnat]]'', a small insect. Its Japanese name is possibly a combination of こんちゅう ''konchū'' meaning ''insect'' and the word ''pang'' which is the sound that a [[wp:Radar|radar]] makes which refers to its radar-like eyes.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Bluzuk
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Mimitoss - ''Mimi'' (''mignon'' in short form) means cute, ''mite'' means moth, and toss comes from the english word.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 콘팡 ''Konpang''
*Chinese (Taiwan): 毛球 ''Mao Chio'' ("hair/fluff ball")

=Related articles=
*[[Tracey's Venonat]]

=External links=
*[[wp:Venonat|Article on Wikipedia]]

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