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Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions

2010-07-31T20:33:49Z

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==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color}}|bordercolor={{black color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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== Origin ==
Sould it be noted that these characters could be based off of The 3 Stooges? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Evolution

2010-07-15T21:50:20Z

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Ummmm.... The bit about Eevees at the end is plain wrong. Things don't evolve due to their environment. It is merely that the creatures that have a favourable variation survive to produce offspring and pass on their genes, and so more things have the variation than don't. This is like junior high-level knowledge. [[User:DanJimi|DanJimi]] 10:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

at the list of non-evolving pokemon, you see the last pkmn is aerodactyl but next to it is a picture of an kabutops

== Phione ==

I put Phione on the list of non evolving non legendaries, and it keeps getting removed. WHY???? It's not as though Phione is legendary. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Because in some people's minds, it is legendary. :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it's not confirmed to be legendary. And IMO, the fact that one can recruit multiple Phione in MD2 PROVES conclusively that Phione is not a legendary (In the MD games, legendaries are strictly limited to one per game). --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 15:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Please see your talk page, Missigno.Master. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 15:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If it isn't a legendary, why is it banned from the battle tower? It's definitely not because of it's battle prowess. No. It's because it's normally unavailable in normal play. You still need access to Manaphy to get them.

It's no legendary, but it's still an event Pokémon in a sense. - PDL
:The only Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are legendary. Phione is legendary, albeit the crappiest of them. Plus, Missingno Master, you might wanna do something OTHER than just adding Phione in there, such as, oh, changing the count to 43 and making it so the table isn't f'd up.
:Plus, here's the thing: how much of a chance does Phione have of getting evolutionary relatives? ZERO! It has Manaphy. The other 42 have at least a chance of that.
:Jeez, I understand being the devil's advocate, but Phione just isn't worth it. It sucks in battle, sure, but so do many other legendaries. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Devil's advocate? I wasn't suggesting that Phione should be listed >_>. However, I suppose I wasn't making myself clear enough. - PDL
:::No, the Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are in the Uber tier. Note that Cresselia isn't banned, it's in the OU tier as well. Is it legendary? Hell yeah. (Yet it can compete in Uber if it really wants to..) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::See, that's where fan definitions suck. Everything banned from the BT is legendary, the only exceptions to this are the normal legendary trios of each region (meaning, of course, that GKR and DPG aren't ''normal'' trios. They're mascot trios, though Giratina's not a mascot... but hey, it's a better name than other stuff), the Lati duo, Cressy, and Heatran. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahem. Phione is now officially not a legendary. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 1] I take it this means I was justified in putting it back in the non-evolving non-legendary box thingy? --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Even if we assume that Phione is not legendary, which is unsubtantiated unless claimed or alluded to by the designers (that is, not any low-rank employee of an ''affiliated'' company), it still has no place on the list. The reason for this is that the list shows all Pokémon with ''some'' chance to evolve in later installments of the game. It has been observed, and in fact referenced in the Diamond and Pearl games, that legendaries need not evolve because they have reached their maximum potential as-is; therefore, there is no chance for any of the legendaries to evolve.

:It so happens that regardless of whether Phione is classified as legendary or not, there is no reason to believe that it will ever evolve. If it were to evolve, it would evolve into Manaphy, as any other scenario would be cumbersome (a legendary spawning a species not from its own family). However, the reason behind the fact that Phione does not evolve into Manaphy, which is that Manaphy is unique, will continue to hold beyond the current generation. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 14:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

:Missingno. Master, you do realize that link confirms that Phione ''is'' a Legendary, right? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 15:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::This conversation is from six months ago. Pokémon.com did list Phione as a non-legendary for a time, then changed it to a legendary status. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

==Anime Evolution==
In regards to the relation between the evolution in the anime than in the games. Wouldn't The anime be more reasonably sound than the games. Because I doubt that if Pokemon were real that most of these evolutions would occur exactly as in the games. The way I see it, the only reason why a certain Pokemon evolves the way it does in the game (with the exception of evolutionary stones and such) is to make it difficult for the player and it would be easier for a Pokemon Game developer if they limited it to one specific set of circumstances.

Granted there are a few exceptions: Such as evolutionary stones, and specific locations for a Pokemon to evolve, and perhaps it knowing a certain move. Though with Evolutionary stones, in an episode it said that the wind was able to carry evolutionary stones, so couldn't certain Pokemon evolve that way when it appears it just evolves naturally or mysteriously?

As for leveling up and trading, those just seem to make it more difficult for a trainer of the games to obtain Pokemon, that could easily be gotten by easier methods. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== new to community, first post ==

I'd like to add my finding in, I thought evolution however I'm not really sure how to add it in, and where it would go. I was trying to figure out if a pokémon whose evolution has been delayed would be as strong as the same pokémon of the same level and a "natural" evolution so what I did is I took a Pidgey and used rare candies to evolve it to 25 not allowing it to evolve until 27 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd
I then reset the game
and gave the same pidgey rare candies this time allowing it the "natural" evolution at level 18 when it got to level 25 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd

so we can infer that the level the pokémon evolves at does not affect the stats. If anyone wants to suggest a heading to put this in, or even shorten it up, by all means

== About the comment at the page bottom ==

EVOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT CELL STRUCTURE. Eevee's evolution isn't akin AT ALL to real evolution. Evolution is triggered by Natural Selection, therefore, a single species cannot evolve. Only a population can. Just thought to make a side note. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 09:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I'm a Biology student, evolution is about animals with favourable adaptations being statistically more likely to survive and so over many generations the favourable adaptations are spread throughout a population. Eevee's evolution is no way close enough to real evolution to get a mention, I will remove the sentence now... [[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 19:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== De-volution ==

Umm... Is it worth metioning in the article that only mentioned instances of "de-volution" is in Slowbro's pokedex entries. (When it loses its shellder) --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 21:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

: In the Pocket Monsters manga, It is also possible to De-volve as Isamu Akai's Clefairy evolved into a clefable and then back. Should this be added into the article as a subcategory, or as trivia? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 21:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gender-related evolutions ==
It's worth noting that some evolutions occur (or don't occur) if a pokemon's a certain gender.

* Combee only evolves if it's female
* Kirlia will only evolve into a Gallade if it's male
* and Snorunt into Frosslass when female.

I thought this would be in the article, but Combee wasn't mentioned at all. [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] 00:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:All fixed I hope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Generation IV: Vulpix and Growlithe ==

Beginning with [[Generation IV]], it is now possible to get a Level 1 Ninetales/Arcanine by hatching a Vulpix/Growlithe Egg received from breeding and evolving the newly hatched Vulpix/Growlithe with a Fire Stone, making Vulpix and Growlithe the first Pokémon that can evolve to their final stage of evolution at the lowest level ever.
Unfortunately, the greatest trade-off of such an extremely premature evolution can be a poor move set which is very severe for Ninetales since it doesn't have any moves that it can learn by leveling up. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 09:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
: This severe trade-off, however, can be alleviated to some degree through Move Tutoring and the use of TM/HMs. Therefore, it is merely a matter of choice between high stats and a reliable move set for either Pokémon. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 10:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:They aren't the first to do this. I can't remember for sure off the top of my head, but so can Togepi, Budew, and... yeah, it's early right now. Sorry. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::Togepi and Budew do need to level up to evolve; however, it's true that many Pokémon can now evolve at Level 1. Staryu, Scyther, Onix, Porygon AND Porygon 2... basically any Pokémon which can both hatch from an egg and evolve without leveling up. So no, this isn't too notable. Although, come to think of it, perhaps Porygon ought to be mentioned, seeing as it's the only one to be able to evolve twice without leveling up. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's noted on {{p|Porygon-Z}}'s and {{p|Roserade}}'s pages that they are the only two Fully evolved three-stage Pokémon which can be legitimately obtained at level 1, and I think it might be noted on some of the others' pages that they can be legitimately obtained at level 1. Question is though, is it worth mentioning it here? Because it could be slightly irrelevant, as the ability to obtain them at level 1 isn't ''that much'' related to evolution. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Budew can't evolve at level 1 though, which is why Porygon's family is more notable. But, if we were to go with "fully evolved" instead of Porygon's family being able to evolve twice at level 1, then we could throw Budew's family in there. But I'm more in favor of Porygon only. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Something like "Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon that can evolve twice and still be at level 1." might fit nicely. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've reevaluated the relevance and importance of this information and came to the conclusion that it is valuable to players who want to go for the '''highest possible Stats''' for those particular Pokémon.--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 03:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Axew (Pokémon)

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== Possible Psuedo-legendary? ==
Judging from most other psuedo-legendaries who have similiar starter forms campared to Kibago, like Dratini, for example, one could say this pokemon may be Generation V's new Psuedo -Legendary. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Axew (Pokémon)

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==Red's Age==
He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both [[Red (Special)|Red]] and [[Ruby (Special)|Ruby]] started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in [[Pokémon Special]], but besides that, I think it might be confused. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

[[Pokémon Red and Blue]] take place at the same time as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.--[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

dont bring up old discussions...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC))

==Optional Names Table==
I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--[[user:Shaddow Boy|Shaddow Boy]] 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==When Red became a Pokemon Master==
Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: [[Pokémon Master]]. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

==Yellow==
Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

==SSB==
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy
:Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

:Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
:::Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

==PBR Trailer==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8
Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

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I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Stop! ==

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from [[Pokémon Yellow]] (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.
* Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
* Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
* Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
* Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
* Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
* Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Voice in Brawl? ==

Okay... hearing it, I'm ''thinking'' it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Got a question ==

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!
::Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--'''{{wp|Wikipedia|Wiki}}'''[[User:Tomas|'''Tomas''']] 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does. [[Image:Ani330MS.png]][[User:LightningKimba]]|LK][[Image:Ani330MS.png]] 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)}}

: There is no V.S Sprite for Red, When encountered a mosaic of a pokéball appears. But There is probably a fan-made version floating around the internet somewere. But Take it from me, I have encountered him numerous times. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 09:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==counterparts==
alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't ''based on'' anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzzzz''']] ''([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])'' 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::That is correct. The games came first, ''then'' the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?
--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION==
This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.
::''When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. '''This is a reference''' to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.''
...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be '''the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception''', but that too happens to be ''my'' assumption.
:Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it '''is''' a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering ''you'' were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

:::But the second part does '''not'''. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you? Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How should i know he was bannned?... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Eye color ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Red in GSC being based off of Ash? ==

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash."
The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of [[Ash]]. It was based off of {{special|Red}}, from the Pokemon Adventures manga.
Red's team in GSC is {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Espeon}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, and {{p|Blastoise}}.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard.
Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking {{rt|16}} isn't there, but the one blocking {{rt|11}} has moved somewhat). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
::Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== The article image.. ==

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it ''was'' pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
::Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Espeon ==

I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it.

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee?

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.)

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

::Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga. He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Meganium and Jolteon? ==
In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Stadium 2 round 1 team. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red? ==

Where did all the art come from, anyway? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides. It did not, thus he does not have any. Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
==Withdraw VS Rapin Spin==
:you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--[[User:Lambie|Lam]][[User_talk:Lambie|bie]] 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

: Uhm, You may want to Put this question under that brawl page's Discussion page, As you never mentioned Red in that question and This is not Squirtles talk page. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 09:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite...? ==

...But... Red doesn't ''have'' a challenge sprite... [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Limit on battles? ==

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Umm... it is... "''He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles.''" [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hurts self* Oops. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::See it now? Fail... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, ''The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day.'' As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Money received ==

We should get info on when the player receives {{PDollar}}7700 or {{PDollar}}15400 in Gen II and {{PDollar}}16800 or {{PDollar}}33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Red (game)

2010-07-09T09:26:44Z

Proctor: /* Got a question */

==Red's Age==
He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both [[Red (Special)|Red]] and [[Ruby (Special)|Ruby]] started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in [[Pokémon Special]], but besides that, I think it might be confused. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

[[Pokémon Red and Blue]] take place at the same time as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.--[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

dont bring up old discussions...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC))

==Optional Names Table==
I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--[[user:Shaddow Boy|Shaddow Boy]] 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==When Red became a Pokemon Master==
Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: [[Pokémon Master]]. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

==Yellow==
Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

==SSB==
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy
:Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

:Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
:::Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

==PBR Trailer==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8
Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

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I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Stop! ==

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from [[Pokémon Yellow]] (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.
* Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
* Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
* Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
* Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
* Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
* Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Voice in Brawl? ==

Okay... hearing it, I'm ''thinking'' it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Got a question ==

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!
::Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--'''{{wp|Wikipedia|Wiki}}'''[[User:Tomas|'''Tomas''']] 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does. [[Image:Ani330MS.png]][[User:LightningKimba]]|LK][[Image:Ani330MS.png]] 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)}}

: There is no V.S Sprite for Red, When encountered a mosaic of a pokéball appears. But There is probably a fan-made version floating around the internet somewere. But Take it from me, I have encountered him numerous times. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 09:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==counterparts==
alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't ''based on'' anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzzzz''']] ''([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])'' 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::That is correct. The games came first, ''then'' the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?
--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION==
This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.
::''When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. '''This is a reference''' to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.''
...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be '''the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception''', but that too happens to be ''my'' assumption.
:Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it '''is''' a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering ''you'' were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

:::But the second part does '''not'''. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you? Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How should i know he was bannned?... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Eye color ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Red in GSC being based off of Ash? ==

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash."
The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of [[Ash]]. It was based off of {{special|Red}}, from the Pokemon Adventures manga.
Red's team in GSC is {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Espeon}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, and {{p|Blastoise}}.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard.
Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking {{rt|16}} isn't there, but the one blocking {{rt|11}} has moved somewhat). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
::Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== The article image.. ==

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it ''was'' pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
::Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Espeon ==

I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it.

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee?

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.)

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

::Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga. He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Meganium and Jolteon? ==
In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Stadium 2 round 1 team. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red? ==

Where did all the art come from, anyway? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides. It did not, thus he does not have any. Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
==Withdraw VS Rapin Spin==
:you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--[[User:Lambie|Lam]][[User_talk:Lambie|bie]] 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite...? ==

...But... Red doesn't ''have'' a challenge sprite... [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Limit on battles? ==

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Umm... it is... "''He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles.''" [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hurts self* Oops. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::See it now? Fail... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, ''The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day.'' As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Money received ==

We should get info on when the player receives {{PDollar}}7700 or {{PDollar}}15400 in Gen II and {{PDollar}}16800 or {{PDollar}}33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Travis

2010-07-09T05:29:16Z

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== Reference ==
In the anime episode in which Travis appears in, He recieves no speaking roles, Could this be a further reference to how Ash is based on Red and in turn Travis is based on Ash? It could also be a reference to the fact in the Generation II and Generation IV games, Red Is a silent character. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Travis

2010-07-09T05:28:31Z

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== Reference ==
In the anime episode in which Travis appears in, He recieves no speaking roles, Could this be a further reference to how Ash is based on Red and in turn Travis is based on Ash? It could also be a reference to the fact in the Generation II and Generation IV games, Red owns a Pikachu. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lyra (anime)

2010-07-09T05:19:56Z

Proctor:

I thought Character Pages weren't supposed to be created until the episode aired? Which was why I couldnt make the Kazunari Page. {{unsigned|BAC510}}
:Normally, yes, you're not supposed to make character pages before their episode airs, however [[User:Kenji-girl|Kenji-Girl]] got special permission to start this page early. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::This is a special exception. People kept linking [[Kotone (game)]] because the saw that [[Kotone (anime)]] was a red link. This way, we don't have to worry about people messing with the links. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::: Oh I see now. [[User:BAC510]] 15:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Should this be protected until the 6th? ==

DP143 airs on the 6th, is there any reason we should protect this, or her game counterpart?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe the game counterpart until the release. People don't speculate much on this person's name, but they would probably after the episode airs. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Come on, no need to protect this article. If it need to be protected then please give a strong reason. People won't speculate much on it, she appeared long time ago in the original version and the dub version don't show previews either. So, no need to protect it. That's what I think. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Unprotect the page now for God sake. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}

== Lyra ==

Should we do it now? Should we do it for the games also? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:Not until it airs. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:: I think this should be good enough to move it, its the summary given by pokemon.com

http://www.pokemon.com/us/tv-episodes/season-12/episode-38-an-egg-scramble/ --DSDark 05:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::But their summaries have been wrong before.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah. It seems likely. But Bulbapedia policy is '''''wait til it airs''''', and there's a reason for that. Let's not jump the gun, guys. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Aren't game characters an exception from the rule? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just wait another 4 days, okay? Once it airs, the name will truely be comfirmed. [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|''95'']] 09:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well, ''I'' for one can wait 2 1/2 days, but since it's been confirmed on the site, it should be real. Lyra for the games we definetly shouldn't do until it's confirmed on the site, same with Gold and Ethan. But I think that the site is accurate.--[[User:Trickyb|Trickyb]] 03:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

:I don't see why everyone is in such a hurry. These policies get implemented for a reason you know. I for one wouldn't want the articles being messed with and then later have to go back and fix them again. So just be patient. It saves everyone time and effort in the long run. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 03:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::::You do make a point. I mean when it says "the Festival spokesperson, Lyra", it could be talking about ANYONE. For all we know, it could be Kazunari..... I can wait, so I'm not the "hurrier". --[[User:Trickyb|Trickyb]] 00:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

when will the article be unprotected? I wanna be the first to add her english name to the article. I never get to....--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry to disappoint you but I think you or any one else (except admins) won't get a chance to do that because admins will probably move this page to Lyra before un-protecting it. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::awww...I never get to do big stuff....--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Don't worry buddy, you will get more cool opportunities in the future. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Let's hope so.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== VA ==

Lyra is played by Eileen Stevens.

== removed template ==

Could an admin remove the undubbed template? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Or just un protect the article and we will do that. Please admins, it is a kind request to you people. Episode has been aired already. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::Why do you want it unprotected so badly? You're campaigning on many talk pages just to get it unprotected. You were wrong about the case on Ash's Monferno (it still shows Kotone) and the template has already been removed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Firstly, I asked them to un-protect the article only on two talk pages. Secondly, I apologize for my mistake. I thought something else.--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I guess many is kind of a stretch. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Lol. I was campaigning to unprotect the article because I wanted to rename the names in this article. There is kotone and Kazunari everywhere (in this article) instead of Lyra and Khouri. I guess, I was being a little stubborn. I am sorry for that. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Another thing, can the English name at the bottom be shown instead of hidden? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== lyra ==

hm add a redirect from lyra to this page, and at this page a notic is someone search for [[Lyra Forest]] --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]]
:Wait until [[Kotone]] disambig will be moved to "Lyra". The Lyra Forest will certainly be added to it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Can someone change "Johto Festa" to "Johto Festival". It appears several times.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Could someone also change the [[[Johto Festival]] in Marill's section to <nowiki>[[Johto Festival]]?.</nowiki> [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Also Add This Piece Of Trivia: "Lyra often pronounces Dawn's name wrong by usually saying "Dane". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 21:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Speech impediment? ==
Does Lyra Have a habit of mispronouncing names, or is it just for Dawn/ Hikari? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Conway

2010-07-09T05:15:36Z

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Whats a Outaku? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It's a person that loves anime and manga. '''[[Image:Ani038MS.gif|My favorite Pokémon]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[Image:Leaf.png|33px|She reminds me myself...]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]][[Image:May.png|33px|My favorite character]]''' 15:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, and he is in Anime, Thats good for him. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

Random comment. This guy looks like a Max/Paul cross to me. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 08:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes Max + Paul = Him [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 15:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh, seems more like a Max/Harley cross to me. But maybe that's just his dub voice speaking.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 03:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hes creapy like Harley but thats it. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]☆15:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== I'm wondering... ==

Since you said Conway is based off an Otaku, could it be the anime's way of making a character based off all those fans fanboying over Dawn? I mean, he does seem to have an interest in her. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 05:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well if so... what the heck is the shipping? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring? ==
Does conway count as a supportin/reccuring cast member onthe table? I mean Reggie is.--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 10:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
:Oh rite he's already there.--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 10:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
:Did you just comment on your own comment? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 05:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Veilstone? ==

When was that confirmed? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Question About Kohei ==

Since Kohei is NOT technically considered a 'character of the day', rather a minor reoccuring character, would it be acceptable to make profiles on his Pokémon?
ShinjiLover 06:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:As a note to anyone coming here later to ask the same question, only if you can put enough on the page. I think that's the guidline: Being able to put more on that page than you can on this one. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::He's not THAT important. He's not a rival or anything like that. I don't think that his Pokémon deserve their articles. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't even think you could get enough info on them. They were shown even less than most Gym Leader's Pokémon, right? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I think Slowking might be an acceptable canidate as it appeared in three different episodes. I mean, we have Jun's Empoleon and he really didn't do anything yet. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::What about Shinx? It appeared in every episode Angie appeared in. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shinx and Slowking did much to define themselves. Empoleon is a bit better but it also might not deserve its article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Then again, should this even be an option? I mean, just because it appears in a few eps doesn't mean much. He's not a major character, or even an important recurring character, like [[Ritchie]]... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Only Slowking did enough and how much did it do? A couple eps, a few battles, possible apperance later? Nothing really notable. My vote's no, to both this and {{tt|Angie|lazy dubbers...}}'s Shinx. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Rival ==

Since Conway appeared in the latest opening of the Diamond and Pearl, should he be considered a rival? He appeared to be competing in the Sinnoh League along with Nando, Paul, Barry and as well as Ash. [[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 17:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)]
:The policy is '''not until it airs''' (as in airs in-episode; spoilerific OPs that bring out the gun-jumpers do not count). And what exactly are you trying to do with your signature...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:07, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== Has anyone here ever played...(trivia) ==

...Conway's Game of Life? It is a 2D cellular automata, where a cell is born if exactly 3 surrounding cells are alive, and a cell survives if 2 or 3 of the surrounding cells are still alive. I am actually a nerd myself, and I keep a copy of GOLLY (a CGoL simulator) on my flash drive. This could be a possible English name origin. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC) (EDIT: forgot sig)
:Probably too obscure to be his name origin, to be honest. :/ --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::To normal people, all this technical stuff is 'too obscure'. However, once I saw his name, I immediately made the connection.

== Slowking ==

Now that he is considered a rival should his Slowking get it's own page? [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 11:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Judging by what we have on Slowking's box at the moment: no. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
== Using Confusion to redirect attacks ==

In the history section it says that Conway uses confusion to redirect attacks but Conway does not have a pokemon that knows confusion. His slowking does use psychic to stop attacks so I think that should be changed. I'm just wondering should I change it.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I changed it to psychic but if anybody think im wrong feel free to change it back.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Latias (Pokémon)

2010-07-08T11:04:42Z

Proctor:

Is it worth putting in the trivia that Latias and Latios are the only legendary Pokemon confirmed by the games to be species and not individuals? Except for maybe Manaphy, since something had to have laid the egg. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]

:<s>Multiple Mew and Lugia have been seen too.</s> [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 14:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:What I meant was, it's not really ''correct''-ish because it's really possible there are others. Take Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres in Pokémon Snap for example. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 14:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot about Snap. Thanks, sorry. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]

==Arceus==
"Latias is one of the few non-Flying-types who can learn Fly. The others are Mew, Smeargle, Vibrava, Flygon, Latios, and Giratina."

Does that mean that Arceus counts as flying type do to plates? [[User:riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]]
:Yes, Arceus can be a Flying-type due to plates, so it doesn't count. Don't forget, use four tildes to sign your posts. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

::Then some should change Latios's version because it's trivia includes Arceus. [[User:riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]]

== Latias's human Special form ==

Maybe we should put up a shot of her human form? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:You mean...[[Bianca]]? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not all Latias have human form. So it is not needed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 12:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I think Lovely Rose means [[a:File:Pokémon Special Latias human form.jpg|Latias's human form from Pokémon Special]], and I agree that it should be added to the "In the manga" section. However, I can't add it because the page is currently protected. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Latias and Latios Species ==

Should it be mentioned in the trivia section that while Latios and Latias are one species in the anime, only with tons of sexual dimorphism, the games' internal coding considers them two separate species? What I mean is that they're different from Nidoran because an egg produced by either gender Nidoran can also hatch into either gender Nidoran, but an egg produced by a Latias can only hatch into a Latias, and an egg laid by a Latios can only hatch into a Latios. I bred them using Action Replay, and all the eggs produced by Latias and Ditto hatched into Latias, all the eggs produced by Latios and Ditto hatched into Latios, and all the eggs produced by Latios and Latias hatched into Latias.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 01:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:GameFreak didn't want you to be able to breed them in the first place, do you think they would do something that clever with something you shouldn't be able to do?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::They also didn't want you to be able to make Arceus ??? type, but they gave it a sprite for that type anyway.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Trying to breed a Latios from a Latias wouldn't make your game crash like ???-type Arceus would (stopping game crashes is in fact the only reason you can get eggs from Lati@s at all) its just not very clever is all.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 14:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Location in HGSS ==

It only appeared in SoulSilver? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 12:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite eyecolor in Gen4 ==

It looks to me that Latias' eye color of the shiny sprite changes between DP (gold) and Platinum/HGSS (green). The backsprite is still gold. Can someone confirm that? [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 14:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite changes ==

So... the sprite table's listing the Platinum sprite being the same as the HGSS one. But it's definetly displaying as the DP one on my Platinum (???) and the newer sprite on my SS (as it should). Can someone double-check this on their own Plat to make sure that I'm not insane (or if they slipped the newer sprite in the English Plat or something) and before I fiddle around with the images? And does this sound too confusing for anybody to understand? ?_? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 21:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Shinyness ==
If A Latias/Latios is found in the wild shiny or not shiny, Is it possible for it to be shiny or not shiny later on? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 11:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Berry/Archive 1

2010-07-07T22:39:22Z

Proctor:

== Real Fruit ==

All of the berries are named after real fruit. Should we including this in the article? I think it's important... Here's what I've come up with so far. Some of them are really obscure. I'm only missing a few.

#Cheri - Cherry (or, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherimoya Cherimoya])
#Chesto - Chestnut
#Pecha - Peach
#Rawst - Straw(berry)
#Aspear - Pear?
#Leppa - Apple
#Oran - Orange
#Persim - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persimmon Persimmon]
#Lum - Lime? ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' It's from mulberry ("mul" backwards is "lum").
#Sitrus - Citrus
#Figy - Fig
#Wiki - Kiwi
#Mago - Mango
#Aguav - Guava
#Iapapa - Papaya
#Razz - Rasp(berry)
#Bluk - Black(barry)
#Nanab - Banana
#Wepear - Pear?
#Pinap - Pineapple
#Pomeg - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate Pomegranate] ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' I fixed the spelling of pomegranate.
#Kelpsy - Kelp?
#Qualot - Kumquat?
#Hondew - Honeydew
#Grepa - Grape
#Tamato - Tomato
#Cornn - Corn
#Magost - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangosteen Mangosteen!]
#Rabuta - ? ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' It's from rutabaga.
#Nomel - Lemon
#Spelon - ?
#Pamtre - Palm Tree (Palm Fruit)
#Watmel - Watermelon
#Durin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian Durian]
#Belue - Blue(berry)
#Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
#Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
#Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
#Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
#Apicot - Apricot
#Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
#Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]

I didn't want to put this directly onto the page because it's not complete yet. Help is appreciated

→[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 18:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

:Qualot is from an obscure one, the [[wp:Loquat|Loquat]]. Lum's from [[wp:Mulberry|Mulberry]]. Rabuta sounds like [[wp:Rutabaga|Rutabaga]], though I'm not honestly sure if that's it. I'm very certain Spelon is [[wp:Melon|Melon]].--[[User:Pie|Pie]] 20:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, now that I think about it, Lum could also just be from [[wp:Plum|Plum]]. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 02:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I was actually thinking there could be a whole article about each berry, containing flavor and written tag information. I think the real fruit information could be better placed on each individual berry's page. However, we'd probably need a template for a page, or something to make them good. But I don't know how to make a template ... [[User:Slim|Slim]] 19:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

:I think I could make a good one, given just a bit of time... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 20:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll start up some pages for berries. The pages will be called, for example, Cheri (Berry). I'll get started →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 00:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:What kind of melon is spelon? It would have to be a specific type of melon to get the "sp" from. Also, could Aspear be [[wp:Asian Pear|Asian Pear]]. I can't think of anything for Wepear. I thought "Western Pear," but wikipedia doesn't have an article called that, and when I search for it on Google, all I got was "Best Western/Pear Tree Inn" Anyone have any ideas about "Wepear?" →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 15:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
::Here's my best guess for Wepear: [http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/index.php?section=environment:species:tree&id=612 ''Pyrus communis pyraster''], the '''W'''ild '''E'''uropean '''Pear'''. [[User:JudgeSpear|JudgeSpear]] 00:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I figured out "Rabuta." It's [[wp:Rambutan|Rambutan]]. It sounds more like "Rabuta" than "Rutabaga" and it's got hairs all over it, just like the rabuta berry.

Here are the Generation IV berries and their origins that do not have origins put up yet (I will put them up in their respective berry pages momentarily):
:41. Chople: Possibly [[wp:Chipotle|Chipotle]], in reference to its spiciness in the games and the real-life pepper's intense heat.
:42. Kebia: [[wp:Akebia_quinata|Akebia]]; the scientific name, ''akebia'', is a Latinization of the Japanese name for the genus, ''akebi''. Here is a page showing [http://www.paghat.com/akebiafruit.html Akebia fruit] that closely resembles the in-game Kebia Berry graphic.
:44. Coba: [[wp:Wild_rice|Coba]], an English name for several species of Manchurian wild rice, whose stems are used as a vegetable.
:47. Charti: [[wp:Artichoke]]
:48. Kasib: [[wp:Cassava]] root
:49. Colbur: [[wp:Muntingia_calabura|''Muntingia calabura'']], the plant from which the Calabura fruit comes
:50. Babiri: [[wp:Berberis_thunbergii| Japanese Barberry]] (''Berberis thunbergii'')
:52. Chilan: [[wp:Ancho|Ancho chili pepper]] (also called Poblano)
:61. Micle: The word "miracle". Or it could be from Clematis.
:62. Custap: [[wp:Custard_apple|Custard Apple]] (''Annona reticulata''), native to the tropical [[wp:New World|New World]]
:63. Jaboca: [[wp:Jabuticaba|Jabuticaba]], or Brazilian Grape Tree
:64. Rowap: [[wp:rowan|Rowan plant]], native throughout the cool temperate regions of the [[wp:northern hemisphere|northern hemisphere]], with the highest species diversity in the mountains of western [[wp:China|China]] and the [[wp:Himalaya|Himalaya]]
:::::[[User:JudgeSpear|JudgeSpear]] 02:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
What about these ones??
44 Pumkin Berry -Pumpkin

45 Drash Berry -?

46 Eggant Berry -Eggplant

47 Strib Berry - ?

49 Nutpea Berry -Peanut

50 Ginema Berry ?

51 Kuo Berry ?

52 Yago Berry ?

53 Touga Berry ?

54 Niniku Berry ?

55 Topo Berry ?

[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 01:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)WOWY
:I'm thinking Strib = Stringbean? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Soil system in generation IV? ==

it seems the soil and watering work differently from generation III, the soil visibly changes color, from dark brown, to an orange-brown, to pale and sand-like. as far as i can tell, the soil dries by one shade in half the time it takes the plant to grow a stage. the planted berries start with dark watered soil, and it seems the timer on the soil resets based on when the plants are watered, as opposed to being directly linked with plant growth.
:Not to mention the kinds of mulch you can buy that also affect the soil. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 23:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::moreover, based on my observations, you have to water twice as often for the best results, and the max yield for older berries seems higher. those details are probably pretty important. ~Kendai
:::Later on, I'm definitely gonna be revamping the page. Adding a "growth" section, possibly to each generation. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I did a careful watching of berry growth under many different factors. I planted berries in routes 208(normal), 212 (rainy), and 228 (sandstorm). each four-berry place had one plant each with growth and damp mulch.

Basically I found out that it's as simple as watering slightly more often. When a berry is planted, it starts with fully damp dark brown soil. if left alone, it will dry to orange-brown soil the same time it grows it's first stage, and dry out completely to a sandy color at the next stage. When the player waters berries with the sprayduck, the soil returns to the darkest color if it has dried, and will stay fully moist for the same amount of time it takes the plant to grow a stage.

This seems to be a slightly more flexible system, as the watering time is not fixed to the four stages, any time the plants are watered the soil will stay damp for a full growth stage duration.

However, I have seen cases of the soil drying faster than the plants grow. I'm not sure what causes this, as in my test the soil dried in sync with growth times in all three places. ~Kendai
:my test used one type of berry. While growing berries normally I noticed a slower-growing berry group actually dried out faster than others. This might mean the growth time list may also need a list of "drying times" for generation 4. I did use growth much on the slower berries and damp mulch on the faster ones, but despite that the slower set still grew slower. More observations will be needed. Anyone care to help with that? ~Kendai
::I've noticed that the five event berries (Enigma and its buddies) dry twice as fast as the other 96-hour berries (Liechi and its buddies). I'm thinking we ought implement a drying times table or something. Anyone know what the game's code says? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I have drying times for most of the berries now.
1-8 4 hours
9 7 hours
10 8 hours
11-15 5 hours
16-20 2 hours
21-26 7 hours
27-30 5 hours
31-35 7 hours
36-52 9 hours
A pattern I saw in "drying rate" from some websites didn't pan out as it had 53-59 drying in 15 hours, and my test of them had them drying faster. I'm about to do a small test with fast growing berries, but I'm certain the result will show better berry yield from keeping the soil moist opposed to once each stage. [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 20:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:My test shattered what I had previously thought about drying times, but i have a new theory which would make sense of the "drying rate" some websites have.
Imagine the soil's moisture as a percentage, the soil turns orange at 50%, and white at 0% the percentage reduces by the drying rate each hour. the match for this is consistent with my recorded drying times without mulch, But if I'm right so far, a whole can of worms is opened for how mulch effects drying rate, because the growth much is making the Razz dry over 50% in one hour, but if the rate increase is by 25%, then it'd only lower by 43.75%. [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 01:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:Theory;mulch effects drying rate by 50%, rather than 25%.

== Damage-reducing Berries ==

Do these reduce an attack's damage by 50%? The reason I ask is because no damage calculator I know of factors these in, so it's been bugging me for a while. Would the effect be as if the defending pokemon had +2 defense? [[User:Juunannio|Juunannio]] 10:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:Far as I know, they cancel out the super-effectiveness, which means a 50% damage reduction. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.png|Fire echy]]''' 01:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::THey cancel out, alright. But if it is 4x (Like on Flygon-san) then itdecreases to only 2x. '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''14:04 3 May 2008'''''

:::If {{p|Shedinja}} were to hold an Occa Berry, would a Fire-type move still work on it? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm sure the berry only works by halving the damage, and for shedinja, ANY damage is fatal. However, you CAN get the desired result by using focus sash, it will cover one hit of any type.

==Cards==
Should we include the CCG berries, like "Balloon Berry"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not 100% sure what to do, but it's possible you could make a new page or category dealing with TCG berries (and link to it at the bottom of the Berry page). They don't correspond to a specific game generation, nor would they be able to fit into the numbering scheme present in the Generation III-IV berries. [[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]] 02:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Berry dropping ==

After berries grow in loamy soil, they stay for a while, but replant or vanish if not picked. The fact doesn't seem to be covered in this article, or i missed it while looking. I was hoping to find an explanation of how long berries stay on a plant after growing. The individual berry pages list total growth time and length of each stage, but i haven't seen the addition of how long they stay before vanishing on those pages either. ~Kendai
:A set of berries I forgot about seemed to last half the total growth time, or twice the growth of a stage, based on the stage they were at and when they were planted. can someone confirm? ~Kendai
::I'd also like confirmation... not about to test my Lum Berries. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

== Which Berry?? ==

Hell I was playing PBR and a Pokémon (can't remember which) used Draco Meteor, but after its stats droped it recovered them with a berry - which berry did it use - I tried to find on here but no luck (or I'm blind - probably blind to be fair) [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

:No berry programmed into [[Generation IV]] has an effect like you say happened. The only berry that raises a lowered stat is the [[Ginema Berry]], a Japan-only [[e-Reader]] berry available only in [[Generation III]].

:However, there is an item available to Generation IV that restores dropped stats--the [[White Herb]]. It's possible that you confused the White Herb for a berry, since the White Herb does vanish after being used. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

{{u|Missingno. Master}} just added a bunch of apricorns to the list of berries. While both come from fruit-bearing trees, I think the Apricorns can be thought of as separate, what with the lacking "berry" in the name and all. I'm opening this for discussion before I revert, so I can hear everyone else's thoughts and avoid an edit war. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry, forgot to mention. Because of their relationship, we can mention apricorns in the article and include a link to their article. I just don't like having them mixed in with the berries on the list. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::That I agree with: Berries aren't Apricorns. If in GSDS or a future game they allow them both to be planted, we can go for a greater link, but GS's system doesn't exactly give us a lot of info. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Kanto, Loamy Soil, and Generation II ==

So if Kanto's soil is so infertile that it doesn't have loamy soil and can't support berry growth, how does it have berry trees in Gen II like the one on Route 1 between the ledges? It's always stated that Kanto doesn't grow berries because the soil can't support it - due to the region of Japan most likely - but in Gen II it could support berry growth. Does this mean that Kanto's soil got better in just three years? ''If'' GSDS comes out, then we might have an answer, but it seems like a trivia-worthy mentioning to me. GSDS would also answer a lot of questions about berries - like if a "Berry" is an "Oran Berry" without the actual name. But this inconsistency with Kanto's soil has been bothering me for some time now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 00:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's got, what, one or two berry trees, and they're close to the west side of it anyway, so I'd say it got better by a little, but it's gonna go nowhere near Hoenn and Sinnoh levels anytime soon.
:Funny thing though... the excuse given is volcanic, when there's several berry plots just outside [[Mt. Chimney]] in Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Performance ==

The berries can be typically grouped into groups of 5. Eg. Cheri, Chesto, Pecha, Rast and Aspear Berries, all cure a status ailment. So shouldn't they all have the same level at 100% performance. In the articles, Cheri, Chesto and Aspear have level 13. While Pecha has 14, and raswt at 12. Becasue if you try a Cheri or Rawst you'd get around the 10's. But if you try Figy or Mago you'd normally get high 10's or low 20's. So i think berries in the same group have the same level at 100% performance. So if someone gets level 14 for Pecha, all the others in the group should be changed to the highest level if it is in the same group.--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Formula ==

So why aren't the math tags working in the formula? {{unsigned|Zelda311}}
:First off, that signature template is prohibited per our {{bp|signature policy}}. Secondly, math tags are disabled so I've put together an image to do it in proper math markup. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::Does that apply for this page or every article? --[[User:Zelda311|Zelda311]] 15:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't it very simply be ''actual_yield = (stages_watered + 1) * minimum_yield''? I admit I don't usually get less than max (and I've only worked on 16-20 in Gen IV recently to remember well) to say that the current formula is categorically wrong, but, most damningly, it implies that, if c evaluates to 0, you can't get maximum yield. In some hundreds of recent plantings, I've gotten max yield from max waterings, without fail, which doesn't seem very random (at the very least, c evaluating to 0 should have been a 1 in 8 chance). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] 05:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:I just looked at the results of a few tests I wrote down once upon a time, and they actually suggest that it is ''not'' so simple as "''actual_yield = (stages_watered + 1) * minimum_yield''" (e.g., I apparently got 5 Cheri berries from watering ''once'', in the "growing bigger" stage). On the other hand, I still think that the current formula is wrong (refer above again: the random variable should not allow consistent max yield). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] 06:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think there is something wrong with the berry formula as it stands now. On the Leppa berry page, it says it will yield 2-5 berries. This means that a=2 and b=5, yes? Assuming you water the plant at least once at every stage, and that the random number chosen is the maximum (in this case, 5), you end up with the number 4. [((2-5)*(4-1))+5)/4]+5 = 4
The berry formula needs to exist in such a way that the maximum berry yield is the same number you end up with. (I've planted several Leppa berries in gen 4; I CONSISTENTLY get 5 berries at every stage.)
So, unless the numbers on the individual berry pages are wrong, or if the true maximum yield is never possible, then this formula is still wrong.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 17:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
*So, the formula has been fixed, but there is still no explanation for decimals and how rounding is done.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 12:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe the variable for "c" in the formula section is incorrect. It should read "c is a number randomly chosen between 0 and (a minus b), inclusive". [[User:Poccil|Poccil]] 14:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== HeartGold and SoulSilver ==
I noticed while working on this and the individual berry pages that required it that the shards that were traded for them seemed to match the color either completely or partially of the color of the shard used to obtain that particular berry. I would like a second opinion since I will not add it as trivia without other opinions. I also used the berries' actual pictures and not the sprites for this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== BIG TASK ==

I noticed that this page is missing a lot of the tree sprites in the various stages of growth and I found a pic with ALL of the sprites from gen 3. The problem is, I don't have the time to piece out each individual sprite. I uploaded the image so to whoever has a lot of time on their hands, here is the file name: File:All_Berries_g3.png --[[User:CH3ATER|CH3ATER]] 20:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origins ==

'''Generations III and IV'''
#Cheri - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry Cherry]
#Chesto - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut Chestnut]
#Pecha - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach Peach]
#Rawst - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry Strawberry]
#Aspear - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrus_pyrifolia Asian Pear]
#Leppa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple Apple]
#Oran - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit) Orange]
#Persim - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persimmon Persimmon]
#Lum - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry Mulberry]
#Sitrus - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus Citrus]
#Figy - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_fig Fig]
#Wiki - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(fruit) Kiwi Fruit]
#Mago - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango Mango]
#Aguav - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guava Guava]
#Iapapa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya Papaya]
#Razz - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry Raspberry]
#Bluk - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Berry Blackberry]
#Nanab - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(fruit) Kiwi Fruit]
#Wepear - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Pear Western Pear]
#Pinap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple Pineapple]
#Pomeg - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate Pomegranate]
#Kelpsy - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelp Kelp] (?)
#Qualot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat Loquat]
#Hondew - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeydew_(melon) Honeydew Melon]
#Grepa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape Grape]
#Tamato - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato Tomato]
#Cornn - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn]
#Magost - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangosteen Mangosteen]
#Rabuta - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutagaba]
#Nomel - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon Lemon]
#Spelon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_melon Spiked Melon]
#Pamtre - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Tree Palm Tree]
#Watmel - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon Watermelon]
#Durin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian Durian]
#Belue - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueberry Blueberry]

'''Generation III''' (Regular)
:36. Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
:37. Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
:38. Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
:39. Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
:40. Apicot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot Apricot]
:41. Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
:42. Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]
:43. Enigma - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]

'''Generation III''' (e-Reader: Series I)
:44. Pumkin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin Pumpkin]
:45. Drash - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radish Radish]
:46. Eggant - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggplant Eggplant]
:47. Strib - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bean String Beans]
:48. Chilan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_alkekengi Chinese Lantern]
:49. Nutpea - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut Peanut]

'''Generation III''' (e-Reader: Series II)*
:50. Ginema - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion Onion]
:51. Kuo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okra Okra]
:52. Yago - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Melon Bitter Melon]
:53. Touga - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_Pepper Chili Pepper]
:54. Niniku - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]
:55. Topo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]

'''Generation IV'''
:36. Occa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacao_bean Cacao Bean]
:37. Passho - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_Fruit Passion Fruit]
:38. Wacan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan Water Pecan]
:39. Rindo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarind Tamarind]
:40. Yache - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherimoya Cherimoya]
:41. Chople - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipotle Chipotle]
:42. Kebia - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akebia_quinata Akebia]
:43. Shuca - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew Cashew]
:44. Coba - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babaco Babaco]
:45. Payapa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya Papaya]
:46. Tanga - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenia_uniflora Pitanga]
:47. Charti - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artichoke Artichoke]
:48. Kasib - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava Cassava Root]
:49. Haban - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psidium_littorale Terihabanjirō]
:50. Colbur - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocklebur Cocklebur]
:51. Babiri - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berberis_thunbergii Japanese Barberry]
:52. Chilan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_alkekengi Chinese Lantern]
:53. Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
:54. Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
:55. Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
:56. Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
:57. Apicot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot Apricot]
:58. Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
:59. Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]
:60. Enigma - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]
:61. Micle - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Fruit Miracle Fruit]
:62. Custap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custard-Apple Custard Apple]
:63. Jaboca - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabuticaba Jabuticaba]
:64. Rowap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan Rowan] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top Spinning Top]

*These origins are Japanese seeing as they were not available in the English versions of the game.

Hours of research and organisation by Zeebedee {{unsigned|Zeebedee}}
: Please do '''NOT''' remove talk page comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 11:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Berry list suggestion ==

It would be extremely useful to have a list (or should I say a comparison) of berries by the Poffin sheen/condition point yield. Or perhaps (since its usefulness requires a lot of space) one on each page [[Beauty Contest]]/[[Cool Contest]]/etc. which gives information on such things, as, base level, level at 00:40 (common lower bound), sheen yield, stat yield at 00:60times, trunc(255/sheenYield)*statYield, etc.

I may be able to contribute for some berries, but for most hybrids I wouldn't have a clue. -- [[User:Pokey|Pokey]] 08:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Human Safe? ==
In Gold/Silver or HeartGold/SoulSilver, There is a specific character who gives you a call (Im not exactly sure what the name was, but it may have been a fisherman or a hiker), That called to tell you his Pokémon was eating right berries now. He then proceeds to say that he wasn't sure whether or not they were safe for humans to eat, But exclaims that it was delicious. I am not sure if this is canon or not. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Red (game)

2010-07-06T22:12:20Z

Proctor: /* Red's Age */

==Red's Age==
He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both [[Red (Special)|Red]] and [[Ruby (Special)|Ruby]] started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in [[Pokémon Special]], but besides that, I think it might be confused. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

[[Pokémon Red and Blue]] take place at the same time as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.--[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

==Optional Names Table==
I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--[[user:Shaddow Boy|Shaddow Boy]] 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==When Red became a Pokemon Master==
Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: [[Pokémon Master]]. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

==Yellow==
Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

==SSB==
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy
:Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

:Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
:::Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

==PBR Trailer==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8
Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

----

I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Stop! ==

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from [[Pokémon Yellow]] (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.
* Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
* Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
* Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
* Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
* Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
* Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Voice in Brawl? ==

Okay... hearing it, I'm ''thinking'' it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Got a question ==

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!
::Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--'''{{wp|Wikipedia|Wiki}}'''[[User:Tomas|'''Tomas''']] 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does. [[Image:Ani330MS.png]][[User:LightningKimba]]|LK][[Image:Ani330MS.png]] 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)}}

==counterparts==
alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't ''based on'' anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzzzz''']] ''([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])'' 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::That is correct. The games came first, ''then'' the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?
--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION==
This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.
::''When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. '''This is a reference''' to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.''
...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be '''the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception''', but that too happens to be ''my'' assumption.
:Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it '''is''' a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering ''you'' were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

:::But the second part does '''not'''. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you? Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How should i know he was bannned?... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Eye color ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Red in GSC being based off of Ash? ==

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash."
The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of [[Ash]]. It was based off of {{special|Red}}, from the Pokemon Adventures manga.
Red's team in GSC is {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Espeon}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, and {{p|Blastoise}}.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard.
Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking {{rt|16}} isn't there, but the one blocking {{rt|11}} has moved somewhat). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
::Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== The article image.. ==

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it ''was'' pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
::Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Espeon ==

I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it.

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee?

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.)

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

::Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga. He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Meganium and Jolteon? ==
In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Stadium 2 round 1 team. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red? ==

Where did all the art come from, anyway? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides. It did not, thus he does not have any. Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
==Withdraw VS Rapin Spin==
:you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--[[User:Lambie|Lam]][[User_talk:Lambie|bie]] 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite...? ==

...But... Red doesn't ''have'' a challenge sprite... [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Limit on battles? ==

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Umm... it is... "''He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles.''" [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hurts self* Oops. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::See it now? Fail... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, ''The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day.'' As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Money received ==

We should get info on when the player receives {{PDollar}}7700 or {{PDollar}}15400 in Gen II and {{PDollar}}16800 or {{PDollar}}33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Red (game)

2010-07-06T22:11:57Z

Proctor: /* Red's Age */

==Red's Age==
He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both [[Red (Special)|Red]] and [[Ruby (Special)|Ruby]] started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in [[Pokémon Special]], but besides that, I think it might be confused. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

[[Pokémon Red and Blue]] take place at the same time as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.

==Optional Names Table==
I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--[[user:Shaddow Boy|Shaddow Boy]] 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==When Red became a Pokemon Master==
Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: [[Pokémon Master]]. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

==Yellow==
Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

==SSB==
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy
:Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

:Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
:::Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]] 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

==PBR Trailer==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8
Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

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I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Stop! ==

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from [[Pokémon Yellow]] (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.
* Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
* Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
* Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
* Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
* Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
* Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Voice in Brawl? ==

Okay... hearing it, I'm ''thinking'' it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Got a question ==

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!
::Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--'''{{wp|Wikipedia|Wiki}}'''[[User:Tomas|'''Tomas''']] 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does. [[Image:Ani330MS.png]][[User:LightningKimba]]|LK][[Image:Ani330MS.png]] 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)}}

==counterparts==
alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't ''based on'' anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzzzz''']] ''([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])'' 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::That is correct. The games came first, ''then'' the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?
--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION==
This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.
::''When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. '''This is a reference''' to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.''
...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be '''the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception''', but that too happens to be ''my'' assumption.
:Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it '''is''' a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering ''you'' were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

:::But the second part does '''not'''. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you? Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How should i know he was bannned?... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Eye color ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Red in GSC being based off of Ash? ==

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash."
The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of [[Ash]]. It was based off of {{special|Red}}, from the Pokemon Adventures manga.
Red's team in GSC is {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Espeon}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, and {{p|Blastoise}}.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard.
Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking {{rt|16}} isn't there, but the one blocking {{rt|11}} has moved somewhat). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
::Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== The article image.. ==

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it ''was'' pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
::Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Espeon ==

I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it.

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee?

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.)

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

::Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga. He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Meganium and Jolteon? ==
In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Stadium 2 round 1 team. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red? ==

Where did all the art come from, anyway? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides. It did not, thus he does not have any. Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
==Withdraw VS Rapin Spin==
:you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--[[User:Lambie|Lam]][[User_talk:Lambie|bie]] 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite...? ==

...But... Red doesn't ''have'' a challenge sprite... [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Limit on battles? ==

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Umm... it is... "''He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles.''" [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hurts self* Oops. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::See it now? Fail... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, ''The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day.'' As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Money received ==

We should get info on when the player receives {{PDollar}}7700 or {{PDollar}}15400 in Gen II and {{PDollar}}16800 or {{PDollar}}33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-05T22:23:11Z

Proctor: /* Transform */

Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Transform ==
I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened? {{unsigned|Proctor}}
:New comments to the bottom please. What game is this in? I know that in some games there is a glitch that causes a Pokémon which has transformed to keep the transformed moveset after the battle ends. You probably activated that glitch. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:It was HeartGold, And sorry, im new to posting things on the site, But can I get get more insight on how this glitch is activated? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-05T22:20:08Z

Proctor: /* Transform */

Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Transform ==
I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened? {{unsigned|Proctor}}
:New comments to the bottom please. What game is this in? I know that in some games there is a glitch that causes a Pokémon which has transformed to keep the transformed moveset after the battle ends. You probably activated that glitch. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
It was HeartGold, And sorry, im new to posting things on the site, But can I get get more insight on how this glitch is activated? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-03T07:05:00Z

Proctor: /* Intro */

Problem: My Smeargle knew sketch, thundershock, and disable. Later on, I got into a battle with a wild Tauros, and I had my Smeargle use tranform, shortly after doing so I defeated it. After the battle, I looked over My pokemon's stats and found my Smeargle had kept the moves of the wild Tauros'. I think this may be some error in HeartGold And SoulSilver's programming.Does anyone else know why this may have happened? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 07:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Transform ==
I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened? {{unsigned|Proctor}}
:New comments to the bottom please. What game is this in? I know that in some games there is a glitch that causes a Pokémon which has transformed to keep the transformed moveset after the battle ends. You probably activated that glitch. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-03T07:04:38Z

Proctor: /* Intro */

Problem: My Smeargle knews sketch, thundershock, and disable. Later on, I got into a battle with a wild Tauros, and I had my Smeargle use tranform, shortly after doing so I defeated it. After the battle, I looked over My pokemon's stats and found my Smeargle had kept the moves of the wild Tauros'. I think this may be some error in HeartGold And SoulSilver's programming.Does anyone else know why this may have happened? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 07:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Transform ==
I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened? {{unsigned|Proctor}}
:New comments to the bottom please. What game is this in? I know that in some games there is a glitch that causes a Pokémon which has transformed to keep the transformed moveset after the battle ends. You probably activated that glitch. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Kabuto (Pokémon)

2010-07-02T01:57:34Z

Proctor: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Omastar | next=Kabutops|type=rock|type2=water| prevnum=139| nextnum=141}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Kabuto |
jname=カブト |
tmname=Kabuto |
art=FRLG |
pron=<sc>kuh-''buu''-toe</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=140 |
oldjdex=222 |
jdex=227 |
hdex=295 |
obrow=271 |
opbrow=115 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Water |
species=Shellfish |
height-ftin=1'08" |
height-m=0.5 |
weight-lbs=25.4 |
weight-kg=11.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Swift Swim |
ability2=Battle Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Water 3 |
eggcycles=30 |
evde=1 |
expyield={{tt|99|? before Generation III}} |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=14 |
pokefordex=kabuto |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Kabuto''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''カブト''' ''Kabuto'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Water}} Pokémon.

It is resurrected from a [[Fossil|Dome Fossil]] and then evolves into {{p|Kabutops}} starting at [[level]] 40.

==Biology==
Kabuto is a fossil Pokémon no longer found in the wild, and must be resurrected from a [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]].
===Physiology===
Kabuto is similar to a shellfish with a tan shell. There are two small black dots, which are a second pair of eyes, on the front of its shell. Kabuto uses these eyes when it hides deeper in its shell to protect itself from harm. Its black eyes sense what is going on outside of the shell while it is hiding. Underneath its shell is mostly black, with two red eyes, which glow in the dark, and four yellow-tan legs. Its shell turns to the fossil which is used to resurrect it.

It mostly attacks using its claws, which can scratch or drain energy.
====Gender differences====
None.
====Special abilities====
Kabuto and its evolved form, {{p|Kabutops}}, favor using physical moves; whereas the {{p|Omanyte}}-line is more adept at special attacks. Kabuto also happens to be slightly faster than Omanyte while having weaker physical defense. It supposedly also has oils in its shells which can grant immortality; in the [[Orange Archipelago|Orange Islands]], many of their fossils revived in the light of a red moon.

===Behavior===
Much like a turtle or pill bug, if Kabuto is flipped over onto its back, it becomes defenseless as it cannot flip itself back over on its own.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Sea.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Sea Pokémon}}]]
Kabuto are declared to be extinct, however, living samples have been found deep under the sea. Many are resurrected from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossils]], which can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Sinnoh]] and even [[Johto]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:OKO.png|thumb|220px|A Kabuto with an {{p|Omanyte}} and an {{p|Omastar}}]]
===Major Appearances===
Kabuto was one of the fossil Pokémon that attack {{Ash}} and [[Team Rocket]] until being scared off by {{p|Aerodactyl}} in ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]''.

In ''[[EP089|Shell Shock]]'', a "deranged old man" named [[Umberto]] was saying that an island full of Kabuto fossils would sink once the moon casted a red glow. He was right, because the fossils came to life and the island collapsed, since the fossils kept the island together.

===Minor Appearances===
[[Bill]] was trapped in a Kabuto costume at the beginning of ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]''.

In ''[[DP108|Dealing With Defensive Types!]]'', a Kabuto, along with an {{p|Omanyte}} and {{p|Omastar}} attacked [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Canalave Gym]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP046|Omanyte, Omastar, Kabuto, and Kabutops|Ash's Pokédex|{{p|Omanyte}} and {{p|Omastar}}, '''Kabuto''' and {{p|Kabutops}}. It is believed these Pokémon became extinct tens of thousands of years ago. The details of their behavior are shrouded in mystery. Though some have speculated that they may still exist, none of these Pokémon have ever been seen alive.}}
|}
{|align="center" width="100%" style="background: #{{colorschemedark|Kanto}}"
|-
| text align="right" width="100%" style="background: #{{colorschemelight|Kanto}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;" | '''Original series entries continue below.'''
|}
|}
{{Animedexheader|Orange}}
{{Animedexbody|EP089|Kabuto|Ash's Pokédex|Kabuto, the Ancient Pokémon. Though this Pokémon is now to be extinct, it had a hard shell that protected its body and is believed to have been a {{a|Swift Swim|powerful swimmer}}.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Orange}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Kabuto (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=water
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A Pokémon that was resurrected from a fossil found in what was once the ocean floor eons ago.
|stadiumdex=A Pokémon that was resurrected from a fossil found in an ancient seabed. Unable to right itself if it is flipped over.
|yellowdex=A Pokémon that was recovered from a fossil. It uses the eyes on its back while hiding on the sea floor.
|golddex=On rare occasions, some have been found as fossils which they became while hiding on the ocean floor.
|silverdex=This Pokémon lived in ancient times. On rare occasions, it has been discovered as a living fossil.
|crystaldex=Three hundred million years ago, it hid on the sea floor. It also has eyes on its back that glow.
|stadium2dex=On rare occasions, some have been found as fossils which they became while hiding on the ocean floor.
|rsdex=Kabuto is a Pokémon that has been regenerated from a fossil. However, in extremely rare cases, living examples have been discovered. The Pokémon has not changed at all for 300 million years.
|emeralddex=It is a Pokémon that has been regenerated from a fossil. However, in rare cases, living examples have been discovered. Kabuto have not changed for 300 million years.
|firereddex=This Pokémon was regenerated from the fossil of an ancient creature. It protects itself with a hard shell.
|leafgreendex=A Pokémon that was regenerated from a fossil found in what was once the ocean floor long ago.
|dpptdex=It is thought to have inhabited beaches 300 million years ago. It is protected by a stiff shell.
|heartgolddex=On rare occasions, some have been found as fossils which they became while hiding on the ocean floor.
|soulsilverdex=This Pokémon lived in ancient times. On rare occasions, it has been discovered as a living fossil.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=rock |
type2=water|
gen=1 |
rbrarity=One |
rbarea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
yrarity=One |
yarea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
gen2ex=rby|
gsarea=[[Time Capsule]] |
carea=[[Time Capsule]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=Fossil |
frlgarea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
dprarity=Fossil |
dparea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
ptrarity=Fossil |
ptarea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
hgssrarity=Fossil |
hgssarea=Revive from [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]] |
hgssex=soulsilver|
palarea=Sea |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=water
|stadium=[[Gym Leader Castle]]
|trozei=Endless Level 31 Endless Level 55 Forever Level 15 [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Silver Trench]] (5F-13F) [[Grand Sea]] (5F-13F) [[Fantasy Strait]] (B5-B13)
|md2=[[Beach Cave]] (B1-B4) [[Marine Resort]] (B1-B19) [[Final Maze]] (B1-B48)
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Oblivia Ruins]] [[Ice Temple]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=rock|type2=water
|rby1=Bitter Berry|rby1type=Berries (Generation II)|rby1rar=100|rby1image=no
|stad1=Normal Box|rby1type=Pokémon Doll|stad1image=no|stad1rar=100
|stad2=Gorgeous Box|stad2type=Pokémon Doll|stad2image=no|stad2rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 30 |
Attack= 80 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 45 |
Special=45 |
Speed= 55 |
type=Rock |
type2=Water }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Water
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=2
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=rock |
type2=water |
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 25 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|rock|water|4|1|Kabuto}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|6|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|11|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|16|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|21|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|26|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|31|Aqua Jet|Water|Physical|40|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|41|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|46|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|51|Wring Out|Normal|Special|—|100|5|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|4|rock|water}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|rock|water|4|1|Kabuto}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM55]]|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM69]]|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM75]]|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM76]]|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM05]]|Whirlpool|Water|Special|15|70|15|Beauty|0||'''|HGSS}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|rock|water}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|rock|water|4|1|Kabuto}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}} {{p|Shellder}}, {{p|Cloyster}} {{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}} {{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Politoed}} {{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}} {{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Corsola}} {{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}} {{p|Mantine}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|BubbleBeam|Water|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Mantine}} {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cradily}}|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}}|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Feebas}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}}|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}} {{p|Skorupi}}, {{p|Drapion}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Politoed}} {{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Omanyte}}, {{p|Omastar}} {{p|Kabuto}}, {{p|Kabutops}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}}|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Wartortle}}, {{p|Blastoise}}|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}} {{p|Totodile}}, {{p|Croconaw}}, {{p|Feraligatr}} {{p|Huntail}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|rock|water}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|rock|water|4|1|Kabuto}}
{{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|rock|water}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=water |
ndex=140 |
pinball=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.2 |
area=Deep-Sea Floor |
P1=I can't keep up with the latest fashions, but I'll do my best! |
P2=Uh-oh... I'm down to half my HP. |
P3=I can't go on... I have no strength left... |
PL=Yes, I did it! Leveled up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.4 |
iq=E |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 2 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=140
|name1=Kabuto
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Water
|evotype1=Level
|level1=40
|sprite2=141
|name2=Kabutops
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Water}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=water|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=140|
name=Kabuto|
}}

==Trivia==
* Kabuto's prototype name was "Att," which is derived from the word "{{wp|Atlantis}}."
* The Red and Blue sprites show that Kabuto has a smooth shell. In subsequent generations, it is shown with dimples in its shell.
* Kabuto and {{p|Kabutops}} share the same [[species]] name with {{p|Blastoise}}. They are all known as Shellfish Pokémon.
* {{v2|Yellow}} is the only game in which Kabuto can learn {{m|Hyper Beam}} by [[TM]].
* Kabuto is one of 5 Kanto Pokémon that had had its base experience yield changed in [[Generation III]]. Its former base experience was ?. The others are {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Geodude}} and {{p|Omanyte}}.
* In most game appearences as of [[Generation IV]], Kabuto appears to be floating.
===Origin===
Kabuto's design consists of a mix of {{wp|trilobite}} and the still-living (but considered a living fossil) {{wp|horseshoe crab}}.
===Name origin===
Kabuto's name comes from 兜蟹 ''kabutogani'', horseshoe crab. 兜 ''Kabuto'' is also the Japanese word for ''helmet'' and the traditional helmet for samurai warriors.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Kabuto
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Kabuto
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 투구 ''Tugu''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 化石盔 ''Huà Shí Kuī'' - Literally "Fossil helmet".

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Omastar | next=Kabutops|type=rock|type2=water| prevnum=139| nextnum=141}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Fossil Pokémon]]

[[de:Kabuto]]
[[es:Kabuto]]
[[fr:Kabuto]]
[[ja:カブト]]
[[pl:Kabuto]]
[[pt:Kabuto (pokémon)]]

Nincada (Pokémon)

2010-07-02T01:44:10Z

Proctor: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=bug | type2=ground | prevnum=289 | nextnum=291 | prev=Slaking | next=Ninjask }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Nincada |
jname=ツチニン |
tmname=Tutinin |
art=RS |
size=180px |
ndex=290 |
hdex=042 |
fbrow=031 |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Ground |
species=Trainee |
height-ftin=1'08" |
height-m=0.5 |
weight-lbs=12.1 |
weight-kg=5.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Compoundeyes |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=1 |
expyield=65 |
lv100exp=600,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=255 |
body=14 |
pokefordex=nincada |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Nincada''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ツチニン''' ''Tutinin'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Ninjask}} starting at [[level]] 20. Also, If the {{player}} has a spare spot and an extra [[Poké Ball]], a {{p|Shedinja}} will appear in the player's [[party]] when Nincada evolves.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Nincada is a small, whitish insect Pokémon. Nincada's hind legs are white and the forelegs are brown. Nincada has small, green wings on its back, a small pointed snout, and whisker-like antenna on its face. Nincada has a thin stripe that dips in a “V”-shaped pattern between its eyes.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Because of its sharp claws, Nincada has access to moves such as {{m|Fury Swipes}} and {{m|Metal Claw}}.

===Behavior===

Using its whisker like antennae, it probes its surroundings in the pitch-black darkness of soil. Nincada can't withstand bright sunlight so it avoids it. Nincada uses its sharp claws to carve the roots of trees and absorb moisture and nutrients.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Forest.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Forest Pokémon|Forest Pokémon]]]]
Nincada live buried in soil and will usually remain underground until they evolve. They stay away from sunlight.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Nincada sustain themselves by drinking nutrients from tree roots.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Nincadanime.jpg|thumb|Nincada in the anime]]Nincada first appeared in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme]]''. It belonged to a boy named [[Keanu]], who lived in his [[Secret Base]] in solitude.

In ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part One]]'', [[Kellyn]] used his Capture Styler on a Nincada and had it {{m|Dig}} a pit trap for [[J]]'s Henchmen to fall in.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG027|Nincada|Ash's Pokédex|Nincada, the Trainee Pokémon. Nincada lives most of its life inside the earth and uses its sharp claws to tap into tree roots extracting nutrients and moisture.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
==In the TCG==
{{main|Nincada (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=bug
|type2=ground
|gen=3
|rubydex=Nincada lives underground for many years in complete darkness. This Pokémon absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees. It stays motionless as it waits for [[evolution]].
|sapphiredex=Nincada lives underground. It uses its sharp claws to carve the roots of trees and absorb moisture and nutrients. This Pokémon can't withstand bright sunlight so avoids it.
|emeralddex=It makes its nest at the roots of a mighty tree. Using its whiskerlike antennae, it probes its surroundings in the pitch-black darkness of soil.
|frlgdex=Because it lived almost entirely underground, it is nearly blind. It uses its antennae instead.
|dpptdex=It grows underground, sensing its surroundings using antennae instead of its virtually blind eyes.
|hgssdex=It can sometimes live underground for more than 10 years. It absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees. }}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=bug |
type2=ground |
frlgex=rse |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Uncommon |
rsarea={{rt|116}} |
erarity=Uncommon |
earea={{rt|116}} |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Eterna Forest]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea=[[Eterna Forest]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
hgssarea=[[National Park]] ([[Bug Catching Contest]]) |
hgssrarity=Common |
palarea=Forest |
}}

====In side games====

{{SidegameAvail
|type=bug
|type2=ground
|pinballrs=Forest
|trozei=Secret Storage 13 Endless Level 20 Forever Level 6 Mr. Who's Den
|md=[[Lapis Cave]] (1F-4F) [[Wish Cave]] (44F-49F) [[Joyous Tower]] (45F-49F)
|ranger=[[Lyra Forest]]
|md2=[[Quicksand Cave]] (B1-B7) [[Midnight Forest]] (B1-B24)
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=bug |
type2=ground |
HP= 31 |
Attack= 45 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 30 |
SpDef= 30 |
Speed= 40 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Bug
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=bug|
type2=ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|9|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|14|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|25|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|31|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|38|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{movelist/note|3|bug|ground}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM54]]|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM81]]|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|bug|ground}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ariados}} {{p|Ninjask}} {{p|Yanmega}}|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|Tough|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Ledian}} {{p|Yanma}}, {{p|Yanmega}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Volbeat}} {{p|Kricketune}} {{p|Mothim}}|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Heracross}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gligar}}, {{p|Gliscor}} {{p|Trapinch}}, {{p|Vibrava}},{{p|Flygon}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Mothim}} {{p|Combee}}|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35|Smart|3||''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Scyther}}, {{p|Scizor}} {{p|Heracross}} {{p|Yanmega}} {{p|Gliscor}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|Beauty|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Ledian}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Mothim}}|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{eggmoves/note|3|bug|ground}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|bug|ground|4b|3a|Nincada}}
{{mtentry4|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|Tough|0||'''|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|10|95|20|Cool|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40|Smart|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|bug|ground}}

===Side game data===

{{Sidegame|
type=bug |
ndex=290 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.4% |
area=Secretive Forest |
P1=My antennae serve as my eyes. |
P2=Oh, what's up? How could my HP be down by half so soon? |
P3=I think I've had it... I can't get any strength... |
PL=OK! I leveled up! I'll try harder! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Bug |
field=Cut |
fieldpower=1 |
loop=3 |
MinEXP=25 |
MaxEXP=45 |
browser= Nincada burrows underground. It can cut things with its claws. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.4% |
iq=D |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1castoff|290|Nincada|2|Bug|Ground|[[Level|Level 20]]|291|Ninjask|2|Bug|Flying|[[Image:PokéBallSprite.png]] [[Poké Ball]] in [[bag]]|Space in [[party]]|292|Shedinja|2|Bug|Ghost}}

''Note: In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]], Shedinja will not be mentioned when evolving Nincada, but will subsequently appear in {{p|Chimecho}}'s Assembly.''

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=bug|
type2=ground|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=290|
name=Nincada|
}}

==Trivia==
*Nincada is the only Pokémon that evolves into two Pokémon at once, Shedinja and Ninjask.
*Because a {{p|Shedinja}} cast off from Nincada retains all moves the Nincada had before evolution, and due to Shedinja not having a gender, Nincada is the only Pokémon with a gender that can learn TMs and HMs but cannot learn {{m|Attract}} or {{m|Captivate}}.
**Nincada, however, can learn {{m|Sandstorm}}, which would immediately cause Shedinja to faint.
* Nincada and {{p|Phione}} are the only Pokémon obtainable by breeding a Pokémon they cannot evolve into (as Shedinja is technically a shed shell).

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Nincada, Ninjask and Shedinja}}
It appears to be based on a cicada larva.
====Name origin====
Nincada's name is a combination of ''{{wp|ninja}}'' and ''{{wp|cicada}}''.

''Tutinin'' is a combination of 土に埋める ''tsuchiniumeru'', to bury in the ground, and ''ninja''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nincada
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ningale - From ''ninja'' and ''cigale'' (cicada).
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 토중몬 ''Tojungmon''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 土居忍士 ''Tǔ Jū Rěn Shì'' - Literally "Earth-residing ninja".

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=bug | type2=ground | prevnum=289 | nextnum=291 | prev=Slaking | next=Ninjask }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that evolve through a unique method]]

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Nincada (Pokémon)

2010-07-02T01:43:28Z

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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=bug | type2=ground | prevnum=289 | nextnum=291 | prev=Slaking | next=Ninjask }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Nincada |
jname=ツチニン |
tmname=Tutinin |
art=RS |
size=180px |
ndex=290 |
hdex=042 |
fbrow=031 |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Ground |
species=Trainee |
height-ftin=1'08" |
height-m=0.5 |
weight-lbs=12.1 |
weight-kg=5.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Compoundeyes |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=1 |
expyield=65 |
lv100exp=600,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=255 |
body=14 |
pokefordex=nincada |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Nincada''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ツチニン''' ''Tutinin'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Ninjask}} starting at [[level]] 20. Also, If the {{player}} has a spare spot and an extra [[Poké Ball]], a {{p|Shedinja}} will appear in the player's [[party]] when Nincada evolves.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Nincada is a small, whitish insect Pokémon. Nincada's hind legs are white and the forelegs are brown. Nincada has small, green wings on its back, a small pointed snout, and whisker-like antenna on its face. Nincada has a thin stripe that dips in a “V”-shaped pattern between its eyes.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Because of its sharp claws, Nincada has access to moves such as {{m|Fury Swipes}} and {{m|Metal Claw}}.

===Behavior===

Using its whisker like antennae, it probes its surroundings in the pitch-black darkness of soil. Nincada can't withstand bright sunlight so it avoids it. Nincada uses its sharp claws to carve the roots of trees and absorb moisture and nutrients.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Forest.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Forest Pokémon|Forest Pokémon]]]]
Nincada live buried in soil and will usually remain underground until they evolve. They stay away from sunlight.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Nincada sustain themselves by drinking nutrients from tree roots.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Nincadanime.jpg|thumb|Nincada in the anime]]Nincada first appeared in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme]]''. It belonged to a boy named [[Keanu]], who lived in his [[Secret Base]] in solitude.

In ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part One]]'', [[Kellyn]] used his Capture Styler on a Nincada and had it {{m|Dig}} a pit trap for [[J]]'s Henchmen to fall in.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG027|Nincada|Ash's Pokédex|Nincada, the Trainee Pokémon. Nincada lives most of its life inside the earth and uses its sharp claws to tap into tree roots extracting nutrients and moisture.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
==In the TCG==
{{main|Nincada (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=bug
|type2=ground
|gen=3
|rubydex=Nincada lives underground for many years in complete darkness. This Pokémon absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees. It stays motionless as it waits for [[evolution]].
|sapphiredex=Nincada lives underground. It uses its sharp claws to carve the roots of trees and absorb moisture and nutrients. This Pokémon can't withstand bright sunlight so avoids it.
|emeralddex=It makes its nest at the roots of a mighty tree. Using its whiskerlike antennae, it probes its surroundings in the pitch-black darkness of soil.
|frlgdex=Because it lived almost entirely underground, it is nearly blind. It uses its antennae instead.
|dpptdex=It grows underground, sensing its surroundings using antennae instead of its virtually blind eyes.
|hgssdex=It can sometimes live underground for more than 10 years. It absorbs nutrients from the roots of trees. }}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=bug |
type2=ground |
frlgex=rse |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Uncommon |
rsarea={{rt|116}} |
erarity=Uncommon |
earea={{rt|116}} |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Eterna Forest]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea=[[Eterna Forest]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
hgssarea=[[National Park]] ([[Bug Catching Contest]]) |
hgssrarity=Common |
palarea=Forest |
}}

====In side games====

{{SidegameAvail
|type=bug
|type2=ground
|pinballrs=Forest
|trozei=Secret Storage 13 Endless Level 20 Forever Level 6 Mr. Who's Den
|md=[[Lapis Cave]] (1F-4F) [[Wish Cave]] (44F-49F) [[Joyous Tower]] (45F-49F)
|ranger=[[Lyra Forest]]
|md2=[[Quicksand Cave]] (B1-B7) [[Midnight Forest]] (B1-B24)
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=bug |
type2=ground |
HP= 31 |
Attack= 45 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 30 |
SpDef= 30 |
Speed= 40 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Bug
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=bug|
type2=ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|9|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|14|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|25|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|31|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|38|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{movelist/note|3|bug|ground}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM54]]|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM81]]|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|bug|ground}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|bug|ground|4|3|Nincada}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ariados}} {{p|Ninjask}} {{p|Yanmega}}|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|Tough|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Ledian}} {{p|Yanma}}, {{p|Yanmega}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Volbeat}} {{p|Kricketune}} {{p|Mothim}}|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Heracross}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gligar}}, {{p|Gliscor}} {{p|Trapinch}}, {{p|Vibrava}},{{p|Flygon}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Mothim}} {{p|Combee}}|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35|Smart|3||''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Scyther}}, {{p|Scizor}} {{p|Heracross}} {{p|Yanmega}} {{p|Gliscor}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|Beauty|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Ledian}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Mothim}}|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{eggmoves/note|3|bug|ground}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|bug|ground|4b|3a|Nincada}}
{{mtentry4|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|Tough|0||'''|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|10|95|20|Cool|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40|Smart|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|bug|ground}}

===Side game data===

{{Sidegame|
type=bug |
ndex=290 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.4% |
area=Secretive Forest |
P1=My antennae serve as my eyes. |
P2=Oh, what's up? How could my HP be down by half so soon? |
P3=I think I've had it... I can't get any strength... |
PL=OK! I leveled up! I'll try harder! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Bug |
field=Cut |
fieldpower=1 |
loop=3 |
MinEXP=25 |
MaxEXP=45 |
browser= Nincada burrows underground. It can cut things with its claws. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.4% |
iq=D |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1castoff|290|Nincada|2|Bug|Ground|[[Level|Level 20]]|291|Ninjask|2|Bug|Flying|[[Image:PokéBallSprite.png]] [[Poké Ball]] in [[bag]]|Space in [[party]]|292|Shedinja|2|Bug|Ghost}}

''Note: In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]], Shedinja will not be mentioned when evolving Nincada, but will subsequently appear in {{p|Chimecho}}'s Assembly.''

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=bug|
type2=ground|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=290|
name=Nincada|
}}

==Trivia==
*Nincada is the only Pokémon that evolves into two Pokémon at once.
*Because a {{p|Shedinja}} cast off from Nincada retains all moves the Nincada had before evolution, and due to Shedinja not having a gender, Nincada is the only Pokémon with a gender that can learn TMs and HMs but cannot learn {{m|Attract}} or {{m|Captivate}}.
**Nincada, however, can learn {{m|Sandstorm}}, which would immediately cause Shedinja to faint.
* Nincada and {{p|Phione}} are the only Pokémon obtainable by breeding a Pokémon they cannot evolve into (as Shedinja is technically a shed shell).

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Nincada, Ninjask and Shedinja}}
It appears to be based on a cicada larva.
====Name origin====
Nincada's name is a combination of ''{{wp|ninja}}'' and ''{{wp|cicada}}''.

''Tutinin'' is a combination of 土に埋める ''tsuchiniumeru'', to bury in the ground, and ''ninja''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nincada
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ningale - From ''ninja'' and ''cigale'' (cicada).
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 토중몬 ''Tojungmon''
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2010-07-02T01:41:42Z

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Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-02T01:37:29Z

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I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened?

Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

2010-07-02T01:36:59Z

Proctor: /* Intro */

I Have A problem: I just recently taught my Smeargle transform through sketch. Besides that, It had the moves disable and Thundershock. Later on that day, I fought a wild Tauros and used transform. During the battle, it said that an ability called anger point activated, and then after I completed the battle, My Smeargle had lost all of its previous moves, and kept the Wild Tauros'. Can anyone explain how this could have happened?
Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:No, sprite trivia are most of the time not really trivia worthy. Also, it is incorrect to say they are 'identical' since when you look at them side by side there's a big difference (in terms of pixels, etc.) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== In side games ==

Since August 7th is still a long time away... can someone with the ability to edit this article ''please'' add the following under the "In side games" section:

<nowiki>|ranger3=[[Aqua Resort]]</nowiki>

Smeargle is the only one left that I couldn't reach because it was protected. Thanks! ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

== In SoulSilver, Transform & Move Tutor ==
I was able to tutor Sketch to Smeargle.
Then I took Smeargle to fight ditto. With the ditto going first, it used transform and then the smeargle used sketch.
The Smeargle learned transform from the ditto->smeargle.
Possibly unrelated, before I tutored, eh smeargle knew false swipe.
Pardon my wiki noobishness.
--[[User:Pizzini3000|Pizzini3000]] 21:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)