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Pringles:

"PokéSpe (Japanese: ポケスペ PokéSupe)." should be "PokéSpe (Japanese: ポケスペ PokeSupe)." as there is no accented e in Hepburn. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 12:42, 7 January 2006 (CST)

Does anyone know a good website to read up on these? My library does not have any of them[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]

:So you guys expect me to buy them and post them on the Internet? Dream on...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|08:23 12 Mar 2008}}}'''
:yes. [[User:Bobbyjkl|Bobby.]] 11:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Say, I've a question ==

If the Emerald chapter hasn't finished yet, why did the DP chapter start already? It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:08 26 May 2008'''''

:Technically, the Emerald chapter has finished in the serializations, but not in the volumes. Volumes don't come out the instant all of the chapters in them have been serialized. It may take quite awhile for successive volumes to come out, such as how it's been at least five months since {{PAV|28}} emerged and no sign of {{PAV|29}} on the horizon.

:I don't quite understand this double standard concerning the Emerald and Diamond/Pearl chapters, however. Diamond/Pearl chapter info usually gets updated as per the serializations, but Emerald chapter info usually waits for the volumes...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
::Second question: What are serializations? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:47 27 May 2008'''''
:::Run as a series. In this case, a comic is serialized in a magazine (individual chapters are run in a magazine).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's even more complicated with PokeSpe, since different stories run on 3 different magazines (Shogaku 4-nensei/5-nensei/6-nensei). --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 12:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== English Release ==

Does anyone know when/if any of the volumes after the yellow chapter came out in english? because after the yellow chapter there is no listed US release date but I have been able to find up to volume 27 in english on ebay, but idk if those were fake, so I just want to know if they ever came out in english. --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 00:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:The US stopped publishing in English so Chung-Yi now does it but only in the Singapore.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''ュウ!''']] 00:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:My country has Emerald, if I remember it right. tc26 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Do they print it in singaporese or w/e language they speak or do they print in in english there? --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 00:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It's only there not in the US.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''ュウ!''']] 00:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:Chuang Yi does print the manga in English. They could also print versions in other languages read and spoken around Singapore, such as {{wp|Chinese language|Chinese}} or {{wp|Malay language|Malay}}...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
::Chuang Yi has so far released volumes 5 to 27. I've so far seen the Gold chapter in Chinese, but no Malay yet...'''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:25 25 Aug 2008'''''
:::Sorry to bring this up again, but Chuang Yi releases the volumes in British English (as by the Singaporean GOvernment standards dammit...) so...yeah. *shot for bring up dead topic* '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]

do you mean in the uk?[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 18:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

How can we get hold of it then?--[[User:Maii|Maii]] 01:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC) [[User:Maii|Maii]]

== Hmm... ==

Think we should put in ''why'' Viz stopped translating? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:37 7 Sep 2008'''''

:We might have to get [[Pokébeach]] to send a correspondent to Viz and get someone at Viz to explain. The currently-well-known reasons are anime popularity and cost, but it's possible that neither of them are right...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== USA Engilsh is back ==

I was at our Local Walmart and they have a VIZ version of DP vol 2 I was going to pick it up but I did not have the money

If I get the money I will buy one

I was under the impresion VIZ stop making them but their it was they had a lot of them so I hope they still have them when I go back to buy it{{unsigned|Jawsisra}}
:That's a completely different manga (''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]]''). Viz still isn't publishing ''Pokémon Adventures/Special''.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== I read it on serbii net ==
can we put a link in? in the intnet it slems to be the best wetsite with it on.
will Joe and the guy who wirtes them mind? can someone look and ask.(I can not go to the
forms or e-mail and can't put in links to no where but Bulbapedia.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 18:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:No. Serebii is not an official source, should there be a link, it should be to netkun. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 00:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I found these sprites on Serebii and I uploaded them to the archives.

Should they be in the article or something?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:Hm, well there are no lists of characters for Special... so I guess here could be ok, in a box with caption "main characters blah blah blah...". Can you trim the whitespace off the RHS first? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean something like this I found on the rival page?

{| align=left border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="70%"
! colspan="8" style="background: #ccf;" | Main Rival Sprites
|- align=center
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr RG Blue 1.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr Y Blue 1.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr GS Silver 1.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr GS Silver 2.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr RS Wally.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr FRLG Blue 2.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr DP Barry.png]]
| width="12.5%" | [[File:Spr Pt Barry.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 90%;"
| {{ga|Blue}} in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}
| {{ga|Blue}} in {{game|Yellow}}
| {{ga|Silver}} in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}
| {{ga|Silver}} in {{game|Crystal}}
| [[Wally]] in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}
| {{ga|Blue}} in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}
| {{ga|Pearl}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}
| {{ga|Pearl}} in {{game|Platinum}}
|}

--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 14:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:Those are Serebii's sprites...I don't think it's a good idea to use them. It would be best if you just delete them. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, they were made by him? Whoops, didn't realise. Yeah, best to remove them then. He probably wouldn't like the fact that we're stealing them. Do we have an image policy about where we can get images from, btw? Sketch? Other admins? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

::Yea not sprites for them >.>--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh? Okay......--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 02:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh..... how do I delete an image from the archives?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 02:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

:Just like here, simply tag it for deletion. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. There's more to know than I thought.....--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 02:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Wut? ==

"As of June 2009, Viz will be rereleasing the series from volume 1."

Is there a source for this? I found nothing on their website and it seems too good to be true.

[[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 21:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:This old news see Amazon.com or the forums.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 23:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

::Ooooh. Somehow I totally missed that. Thanks! :] [[User:Zesty Cactus|ZC]]

== Uhm, guys ==

I think everyone's translating Pokémon Special. -.- Can you PLEASE stop putting links to translators??? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

==Special?==
So if it is always published in English as ''Adventures'', why is it called ''Special'' here all the time? I think you would be hard-pressed to prove that it is called ''Special'' by a majority of readers in English-language regions. --LaprasBoi 13:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Viz is republishing the manga, and despite introducing a new logo and restoring the original Japanese right-to-left format, it's still called Pokémon Adventures. In addition, Red's rival (Oak's grandson) is still called Blue and not Green, while the girl is called Green and not Blue, despite this republishing coming after the release of FireRed and LeafGreen (the former of which had Green as a default name for the rival). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::It’s nice that someone agrees, but as long as the EiC and the head of the manga project both have a personal bias toward Japanese, I doubt this will go anywhere no matter how illogical the current state of affairs is. Also, I think the argument is meant to be consolidated at [[Talk:Green (Adventures)|Talk:Blue (Special)]], I saw an admin point somebody there who began to discuss it somewhere else. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 00:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

==HeartGold, SoulSilver ==

Although Platinum hasn't even been released yet, would it be safe to assume that there's going to be a HGSS manga?
--[[User:Bobbyjkl|Bobby.]] 11:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, there is a Platinum chapter currently in serialization as the eighth chapter...

:Trust me, though, it's pretty much a safe bet we'll see a HeartGold/SoulSilver storyline in chapter nine. Nothing's 100% confirmed as of yet (and, as such, we're not going to just go out and create pages for chapter nine just yet), but precedent's never failed us before...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== About the Rereleases ==

So, are they gonna try and continue the series this time, or are they just gonna stop after 7 again. I thought they were gonna keep going, but then [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Amazon,_Shogakukan_announce_six_manga_release_dates this article] posted today seems to imply otherwise. Now i'm confused. I was really hoping they would keep going. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:At the moment we know that up to 7 are being released. After that? Only time will tell. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Grade? ==

"it was announced that Gakunen magazine Grade 5 and Grade 6 (at the time serializing the Diamond & Pearl chapter) would cease publication at the end of the fiscal year."..."As of December 2009, it has been confirmed that publication in the Grade 4 magazine will continue through 2010"

I'm not sure i understand this. It sounds like they first decided to drop the series, but then changed their minds and gave it another year. Am i right, or am i misinterpreting this? I'm assuming the name "Grade" means it's the same publisher. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 22:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== please...........someone tell me that this is fake ==

this.......................is this fake?

I've been wondering for a while now...I'm totally confused on wether to believe this is fake or not.....but..

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6080/12779710.jpg

([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC))

:Sent the guy who supposedly did this a message. The date says July 5 when it was supposed to be released, so if there's not response until then, it ''should'' get posted on that site. If not, I deem fake. Where did you find this?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

got it from mangafox...but it seems so real I'm just wondering...all the others I've seen were all real and I've yet to see a fake one... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:21, 1 July 2010 (UTC))
:What page exactly may I ask?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

On the website that was on the page,It said that this is fake.But,Only The World God Only Knows, Sock Monkey Loves You, Hack Link, Hakuoki 2, Bakuman and Deadman Wonderland are real.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 13:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:As LucarioWolf said, [http://chartfag.wordpress.com/about-this-moron/#comment-802 it's fake.]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I knew it...I had heard that it was supposed to be best wishes there anyway

seriously..the sock monkey thing is real? wtf japan...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Hitmonlee is shown with springy legs in the red arc as well, and lorelei says in yellow arc that bruno accomplished the impossible by having his hitmonlee's arms accomplish the same springyness as its legs. [[User:SamOak|SamOak]] 22:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)SamOak

== References? ==

Hey, how about putting fan-made translations as a reference link? In my opinion, the translations this guy made was very good. Anyone knows /a/nonymous scanlation? That's the guy. [[User:Milkgila|Milkgila]] 10:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White Manga ==

I saw this on Amazon.com a few weeks ago and figured I'd mention now. It doesn't say "Adventures" on it but it is written and illustrated by the same people of the Adventure series. Link to the Amazon order page is below. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 20:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61g3HEK0PHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Pokemon-Black-White-Vol-1/dp/1421540908/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309377895&sr=8-1
:[[Pokémon Black and White volume 1|Ahem]] [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Could somebody please find some official source that actually says that manga is part of Pokémon Adventures? Somebody on Wikipedia made a chapter list for it but doesn't mention it being part of the Pokémon Adventures series. I tried to look for a source, and NOTHING I came across said anything linking the two. It would be much appreciated. Thanks, '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

:It actually is. On the back it has the Pokémon Adventures logo, though it's really small. [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 19:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::You can also try checking the [http://family.shogakukan.co.jp/kids/netkun/pokemon/official/ official website]. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:::It also says it here, on Viz Media's official site: http://www.viz.com/product?id=9950. It says, "Pokémon Black and White, Vol. 1 A POKÉMON ADVENTURES SPECIAL EDITION!". [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

== About BW2 chapter ==

Because the official has not been announced about Hugh's plot belongs what chapter.
I deleted this paragraph.

== Is it just me or... ==

Did someone noticed that the type of each main male character starter Pokémon are in the Grass-Fire-Water order (Red's Saur; Gold's Exbo; Ruby's Zuzu; Dia's Tru; Black's Buoh)?--[[User:Deruffy|Deruffy]] ([[User talk:Deruffy|talk]]) 16:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

== Considering "validity" ==

I've been wondering about something for a while now. So why does the Pokémon Company really not actually acknowledge the existence of Adventures? Are they not exactly official? Or are they just not as valuable an asset? I would think that they'd be willing to sell more merchandise, but why are they never mentioned on the website etc.? - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 03:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Genesect (Pokémon)

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Pringles:

== Can this be removed? ==

I can't stress this enough Just because somthing looks simmilar to somthing else does not say anything about it's origin. Can the part about the Napalm man be removed? It is speculation and therfore does not belong in the origin section, unless there is evidence to support it (If some is found please tell me what it is). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 00:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Last of National Dex Trivia==
I noticed this and thought it would be good trivia:
*"Genesect is the only Pokémon that was at one point the final Pokémon in the National Dex that could not be a {{type|Psychic}}."
Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, and Arceus holding a Mind Plate for the record. Also, Dennis. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 11:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Genesect: Mewtwo of Gen V ==

I got a lot of hunches on this pokemon being artificially created by Team Plasma. There are some reasons why: First, both are being developed as the most strongest pokemon created by science. Second, they originated from the remains of a extinct pokemon (Mewtwo originated from a fossilized hair of Mew and Genesect originated from a bug-like fossil). Third, both villainous group shares the same goal on making them the strongest pokemon ever created to rule the world. And fourth, both of them escaped for unknown reasons in the games. But I know there are more to this relation, somehow....
[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Uh like what? Lots of Gen V Pokémon have similarities. Doesn't mean they're related. Also, Mewtwo being created by Team Rocket isn't confirmed to be canon in the games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::It's not confirmed because it isn't true. Mr. Fuji and Blaine weren't a part of TR in the games [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Note that the Pokédex entry says RE-constructed meaning that it probably wasn't created by team plasma in the first place, probably created by some anciant race or the monarchy. Still it is unlikely that it has any relation to any of the other Pokémon. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of Genesect? ==

Maybe it's a plural/singular grammatical issue, but the article says that

"Genesect may be generally based on the giant insects of the Paleozoic era, although its Steel-type features give it a somewhat robotic appearance. It has existed for 300 million years, making it as old as the cockroach."

Does "it" refer to "giant insects" or does it refer to Genesect, for if it refers to Genesect, than it's wrong right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:What are you suggesting is wrong? Genesect has existed for 300 million years, it says so in its Black dex entry (which I haven't gotten around to translating and adding yet). I'm not quite sure if that really fits in its origin section, though... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm... so what it's saying is that it's had a gun (albeit less powerful) from over 300 million years ago? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 18:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Genesect actualy robotic or part robotic? This may very easily be irelevent to the outcome of it's origin, but it reminds me of Atlatian technology. It was believed that the technology of Atlantis could be used to creat powerful Vehicles, wepons and atomatons. It also says in the Pokédex that it was reconstructed suggesting it was created by someone other than team plasma (althogh I don't know who). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::part robotic [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Could the "others" be the pigmask army form MOTHER 3? They took normal creatures and turned them into cyborgs also knows as chimeras, possibly a reference to Mother 3? could you add this it the trivia section?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:::::what does Mother 3 have to do with this? Lot's of series do this...sonic the hedgehog for example [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The people who worked on MOTHER 3 also worked on Pokemon, this is why Mewtwo looks like Giygas.
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera

== Romanization ==

Isn't the Katakana pronounced Genosect (Genosekuto), not Genesect? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I understand, Genesect's the name that's been officially trademarked.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This should be brought up again as it has not been trademarked Genesect, at least as far as the information available online on the official JP trademark database. Unless someone has a source it should be changed. [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Genesect.com, Keldeo.com, Tsutarja.com, mijumaru.com, pokabu.com. All parked by the same company. Can you drop the romanization issue now? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 06:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Artwork?==

I was wondering - what will be done for artwork section of the event legendary Pokémon until their official Ken Sugimori art is released? I remember Arceus had fan art until its Sugimori art is revealed, so will Kerudio, Meloetta, and Genesect follow the same route? I'd be happy to provide Sugimori-style artwork for them if that ends up being the case. I know this is probably jumping the gun quite a bit, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely we will get Dream World art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I doubt Dream World art will be released before Genesect itself is (what purpose would it have, besides appearing to condone hacking?). And Sugimori art will likely be released at the same time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, for some reason I completely forgot about Dream World art at the time I was writing that. If it doesn't get Dream World art before its Sugimori art is released, though, I'll still be glad to provide art for it and the other event Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment at least, Dream World art looks very unlikely, as all of the site's Pokemon listings drop off after #646. There's nothing stopping it being added in an upgrade, but that probably won't be until the official release, which would bring Sugimori Art too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen Sugimori's official art, but It's JPEG, Low quality, little dimensions and isn't all that good. There's no good images of Genesect you can find right now. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 15:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, it wasn't actually Sugimori artwork. Probably Fan art. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:The piece I offer to use in this article is [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/031/3/a/genosect_v_4_by_xous54-d38igum.png[this one]]. I'd be able to remove my watermarks should it be found acceptable. (I can also supply a full-size version if necessary.) And, as I mentioned earlier, I could supply artwork for the two formes of Meloetta and artwork for Keldeo to serve as placeholders until their official art is revealed. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Didn't we use fanmade sprites for Zorua and Zoroark once? I mean, we could simply put up that "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" tag again if we use fanart for these three.... Doesn't that seem like an idea? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 16:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if there's been a policy change regarding using fan art as placeholders, but in the case of Arceus there was simply a tiny line of text below the image stating "Fan Artwork of Arceus" or something to that effect. I would upload the artwork to the articles myself, but I don't want to break any rules or overstep my bounds, and I really don't know how I'd go about adding the artwork (and I don't want to risk messing up the pages). [[User:Xous|Xous]] 02:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::I can give you some very well-made fan art from [[Keldeo]], [[Meloetta]] and [[Genesect]], if you want !
::--[[User:Wolfy|Wolfy]] 10:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trade? ==

In the obtaining section of the page, it says Genesect is only available by trading. What does this mean?—[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's default for unobtainable Pokémon, it should be changed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it shouldn't. For Pokémon with no in-game location, it should just say trade. Events don't count unless they give access to an in-game location. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Dennis ==

I heard almost everyone at YouTUBE giving Genosect the nickname Dennis due to the confusion caused with Geechisu's battle music. Prior to the reveal it was Geechisu's theme instead of Genesect's theme everybody called it Dennis due to the chorus in the track. Not sure if alot of people still refer to him as such now but could we atleast mention it since Tsutarja's page mentioned Smugleaf? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even that popular, so no. It's only notable for Smugleaf because the popular video game blog site, Kotaku, made it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 04:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Smugleaf is notable because it was mentioned in [[a:File:NZAU_Magazine_Scan.jpg|an official Nintendo magazine]], ''not'' because it was made by a popular site. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hm, that was in the UK Nintendo magazine too, so I guess it was in two magazines. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

"Genesect is currently the only Pokémon which names a villainous team in its Pokédex entry." The game isn't even out in English, and this is in the article? The pokedex entry doesn't have any English words (obviously, but I wanted to make sure anyway) Are we going by some translation that could potentially be wrong? Or was this ACTUALLY mentioned somewhere? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... not sure whether to withdraw this or not. There's a supposedly correct translation when the mouse is hovered over the pokedex entry, but I'd at least like to know where it came from because I doubt it's correct. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::It came from {{u|Umeko}} who is a Japanese speaker. She has gone through and translated just about every Pokédex entry that is on Bulbapedia. They're the Japanese entries that are placeholders until the English games come out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::oh ok thank you for telling me. I was confused when I first saw that bit of trivia. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

Why are the 5 different images of Genesect shown in the evolution? The cassettes only affect ONE move and a coloring of ONE detail, nothing else. It's no major forme change and is far less impressive than Arceus's formes, doesn't change stats, type or anything like others like Meloetta for instance. I don't think it should be considered to evolve. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 01:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't evolution, it's forme change, first of all. Second, Genesect's different formes' sprites are needed just as much as Gender differences are. Gender differences don't effect type, moves, stats, or anything! It's just a "small" difference in appearence, but its still used because it makes the article more complete showing what the different genders look like. Just like how showing Genesect's different formes make the page more complete by showing what it looks like when holding specific items. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 02:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I know the differences between forme, evolution and gender and this is not really making much sense. Look at Arceus, Its coloring changes but so does Its ''type'' when it holds its objects that give it that forme change - Similar to Genesect's cassettes, but a bigger change. Secondly, everyone came after me when I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kenhorou_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1234971#Evolution this], a very obvious, but according to all the other users who ganged up on me, unimportant difference, as was also pointed out to me with [[Burungel (Pokémon)|this one]]. Genesect is somewhere between these two cases, but mostly, if ''Arceus'' is not considered evolved through its forme changes, Genesect definitely shouldn't be either. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 02:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the only reason Arceus doesn't do it is because of how ludicrously big it would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing is that there is a distinction between Forme differences and gender differences. Other than gender differences, however, every Pokémon with different forms should have the appropriate special displays on their page (even those, such as Genesect, where the minimal difference only lends itself to a larger evobox.)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::On a somewhat related note, I don't quite like how the form evoboxes are set up. Using Genesect's as an example, it is linear, so it says that only certain forms can change to other ones, which is not true. Genesect holding any kind of cassette (or none at all) can then switch items to any other (or discard it). The evobox should be a big circle with arrows going between all possible combinations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Might be easier to not use any arrows at all. Two-way arrows or simple lines could seem messy if we can instead figure out a placement that doesn't lend itself to strict ordering. How about 3 above and 2 below, or 2 above and 3 below? Or 2, 2, 1, with no Cassette as the odd one out? Or if that circle is really on the table, just place them in it unconnected. But other than that, I definitely see the merit in toticombinatory arrows. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Should it be written that Genesect is the third man made Pokemon after Porygon and Mewtwo. I count Porygon as one since its two evolved forms are simply upgraded versions of it. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Artificial Pokémon]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Forme Change ==

Genesect's Evolution section makes it as if, for example, that Genesect must first equip the Lightning Cassette before equipping the Blaze Cassette which simply isn't the case. Is there a way to do this to make it so its clear that all the formes are interchangeable? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unable to see image ==

i am unable to see the images for genesect, keldeo, and meloetta. All there i see is a link of some sort. Can anybody please clarify why i am unable to see these images? [[User:Karnik555|Karnik555]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Because it has not been uploaded and they don't exist. So, we can't really upload one now can we? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

==Genesis?==
Genesect does not have an official pronunciation as of yet; it could be jenna-sect for all we know. I was wondering if the "Gene" prefix could refer to genesis, in one instance meaning the beginning of something. The games say Genesect has existed for quite a long time, so could this be a name origin?-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 04:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:A long time =/= beginning. It is isn't as unlikely and the option below, but it most likely refers to gene/genetics/a similar term. I am not going to completely oppose it being added, but I do think it shouldn't be there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genocide? ==

Could the name come from the term 'genocide'? {{unsigned|Fencingwolf13}}
:Possibly, due to its large cannon, and that it was apparently the most feared hunter in its time. There have been much less likely name origin theories, so it should be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::The fact that it was specifically romanized "Gen'''e'''sect" makes me doubt that. It was genetically engineered, so it almost certainly comes from gene/genetics/a similar term. And situations where . --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that Japan does not have a romanised word for Genocide starting with ゲノ. Genocide is romanized as ジェノサイド (JEnosaido.) What the Geno part in its name refers to is actually Genome (ゲノム/Ge-no-mu, and that's Geh, not Jee)... Which is why I think the English name is utterly ridiculous because it never was referring to Genocide in the slightest. Design be damned. I'd personally prefer it if people removed the thing about Genocide in the name details, since it's never referred to that at all. Common sense and language knowledge here, people. Callyne4 23:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
Why is this page protected? Basically, I was going to modify two pieces of trivia, to look like this:

* ''Genesect is the only {{type|Bug}} [[legendary Pokémon]], excluding {{p|Arceus}} holding the [[Insect Plate]]''.

* ''Despite it being its [[signature move]], Genesect cannot receive STAB from {{m|Techno Blast|Techno Buster}}.''

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:The page should only be protected to new users. Any user that is autoconfirmed (which you are) should be able to edit it. This was done to all the Pokémon pages as too many new users were adding names which have not been officially released. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I now know whats happnened, I've seen the locked banner and automatically assumed that I was unable to edit it, lol. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

It would be a good idea to make a little template that only shows one form of Genesect at a time (ie, normal, holding blaze cassette, holding aqua cassette, etc) like Arceus's one? I've had this idea because the only difference are some color details and techno buster's type. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 15:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Arceus's one only does that because it has so many sprites. It is much better this way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, why is its normal front Chill Drive Sprite brighter than the muted colors of the rest of the front spires and ALL back sprites? Someone's error or real in-game discoloration? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:I checked by opening the Chill Drive sprite and another sprite in two tabs, and switching between them, yet I see absolutly no change, other than the intended drive color swap. And neither sprite had been uploaded over. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Genesect ==

Has somone hacked the game to find out Genesect, Keldeo and Melloetta are in fact the english names, or are thay still unconfirmed? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course many people have hacked them. For example, Youtube is full of Genesect videos.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:: I kinda feel stupid now -_- but thanks [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Event ==

I know this is a stupid question and I probably shouldn't ask it but I'm getting impatient. When will the Genesect event launch? They're launching all the other events but not Genesect, {{p|Meloetta}} and {{p|Keldeo}}. Why is that? It just doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Event Pokémon are usually revealed with movies. Plus, the games are still relatively new. They'll be revealed in time. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I guess I'll just have to wait. I'm just really wanting Genesect. That's why I asked. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== The bullets in the first paragraph ==

Wouldn't they seem more appropriate under physiology? They seem sort of... out of place, especially right at the top of the page like that. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 07:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the same thing. Consensus? - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 23:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Photon Blaster? ==

"It has a powerful cannon (named in the Techno Blast move as Photon Blaster)" I went to the page for {{m|Techno Blast}}, and nothing of the sort is mentioned. Where does this come from? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Before the English version came out, we used the Japanese move description (see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Techno_Blast_(move)&diff=next&oldid=1392396 here]). We translated this as "The user aims and fires at the opponent with Photon Blaster. The type of the move changes depending on the held Cassette." This is in fact wrong, and the Japanese says almost exactly what the English move description does (except "light bullet" instead of "beam of light"). How somebody got Photon Blaster out of it I have no idea. Regardless, it is wrong, so I have removed it from the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Type Effectiveness ==

It appears that the type effectiveness chart is misaligned, not only on Genesect, but on all Bug/Steel types. Is there a way to fix that, as of yet?--[[User:GregtehCollector|GregtehCollector]] 19:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:On most type effectiveness charts, it's mostly misaligned, I'm not sure how to fix this at all, but I'm sure people are noticing it.[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
::Misaligned how? The text at the top is supposed to be indented. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Under ''Resistance against'' the Grass box is split in half and appears in the second column. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, that issue. It's a known problem with the way Chrome (and other browsers that use the same code base) treats the wrapping css. The only thing we can do to fix it is rebuild the entire template without using it, which. . . is going to take time. We're talking full redesign, not just a simple code substitution. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

==How do we know?==

How do we know all of Genesect's moves? Also, how do we even know that it's real? Is it in the coding? Or did they reveal it subtly? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's coded into the game. It can be obtained via hacking and it has its moves via that too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Just to be sure before adding something. ==

I wanted to add this:

Also does it look like Genesect's head has the same shape as the (hollow) 'standard' of its cannon. Making it look like its head could kinda 'click' on the 'standard'. And also seems the hollow standard to be big enough to contain the rest of its body, giving Genesect's design the concept of 'Transformers'.

in the Physiology or Origin. But I'm not sure about copyright, so could anybody tell me if it's right or not? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 15:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

: It's mostly correct. The turret doesn't really fit its head, but the trailer shows its legs retracting and the body fitting into that hollow section to turn into a ''hover tank''. So yeah, this looks like Game Freak's attempt to homage the Insecticons. --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 16:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

::Great, I knew those legs were meant to fit into the hollow part underneath the cannon. But let's wait until we see more of the movie before adding something. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

== What kind of Modifications did they Do to this pokemon!? ==

Genesect's head is Clearly a Beat Box of some kind, it takes music cassettes in to change the type of the attack "Techno Blast", but there's no reference to this anywhere on the page. Is it worth a notation of some sort? Or is it wiser to wait for more validiation, as it is after all the only pokemon not to have a full reveal now :P
[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 19:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

== Polish name. ==

...you know we take Pokémon names from English? I've never saw or heard a name in Polish version of Pokémon that isn't the same as in English (except pronouncation, of course). Of course, I could miss something. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
:Mind if I ask your point? Genesect's Polish name is already on the page. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it is. But why it is there if it's the same as English? Our games are in English, and we don't have our Pokémon names like Japan, [english-speaking countries], France or Spain... of course there could be exceptions, but as far as I saw, animé uses the same names, with most likely only {{tt|pronunciation|or whatever is this spelt}} changed. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::It's already been removed anyway, so don't worry about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I guess I'm just a tad confused. So you don't have your own separate games in Polish, you just import the English versions? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::As far as I know, yes, we don't have separate games. This is why not many moves have Polish translation, as I get it from animé, while someone got few things like {{a|Drought}} from a book (guidebook I'll guess). Games themselves aren't officially translated (or I don't know anything about such games). I am not sure how we get them, though. Try talking to [[User talk:OldBen|OldBen]], as far as I know, he has such books (as he was the one to add Polish names for Drought, {{a|Drizzle}} and few other stuff). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:17, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

==Genesect a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion?==

http://i.imgur.com/WNgWa

I think Genesect may be an homage to Neon Genesis Evangelion. The colour of him and his shiny sprite look very similar to the Unit-01 and Unit-02 respectively. Even down to the secondary colours used on the eyes. The stripe on the abdomen looks like the stripe on the Evas midsections. The origin story of Genesect is also very similar. The Eva units were created from a humanoid alien and modified to be piloted. The eva units are actually biological creatures with armour and a cockpit attached. Genesect's head looks similar to the mass produced eva units long heads. (Not pictured.) The choice of colours seems pretty deliberate.

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

: True, but as I mentioned above it looks more like one of the Insecticons from Transformers. Maybe a double reference? --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 16:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Pokédex entries ==

Please corrected the Pokédex entries from Black & White 2: '''It lived 300 million years ago. Team plasma modified it and planted him on the back up a gun.''' Thanks. [[user:HetAnubis|''HetAnubis'']] [[user talk:HetAnubis|(talk)]] 11:27, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

== Pokedex ==

on the official pokemon website it isn't listed in the pokedex. why is that? [[User:Bryce|Bryce]] ([[User talk:Bryce|talk]]) 08:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
:Because it hasn't been officially released in any English-speaking countries yet. Only in Japan. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Translated site ==

I don't know if this is just a translation error, but the site translated this into English:
"Pokemon Genosekuto of this newly found vision, " Pokemon Black 2 White 2 in the normal play of "can not be put in hand, special Pokemon.
Genosekuto is, would you Pokemon was born by Dan plasma to restore the fossils 300 million years ago, to remodeling!"
So does that mean Genesect can't be put into the party, or is it just misread? It's probs a mistake, since it'd be pointless not to be able to use it.-- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:It just means you can't obtain it in-game without divine intervention from a Nintendo event, as is usually the case with Event Legendaries. [[User talk:Yeyjordan|yeyjordan]] 03:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Black 2 White 2 pokedex Kanji ==

３億年前にいたポケモン。
プラズマ団に改造され
背中に砲台をつけられた。{{unsigned|‎Pikablu90}}

== Possible Ancestor ==

Would Kabutops be considered an ancestor I mean look at the body type and stance they both seem to make. They could be deeply related despite Kabutops living in the ocean he still goes on land to hunt. {{unsigned|EvasiveEmolga}}
:No. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:15, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
::It really doesn't work considering that Genesect is part bug, an attribute Kabutops doesn't have, and that their body shapes are different for example their torsos while Genesect has a typical insect body,segmented, Kabutops have 1 section to their torso. for this to have happened Plasma would have to remove a section of Kabutops and inflame the pelvis to reach the specified shape which i am positive wouldn't really serve a purpose to the pokemon. Plus shouldnt he theoretically have a gender and ability to breed with other Kabutops or pokémon in the same egg group? --[[User:Toymoo|Toymoo]] ([[User talk:Toymoo|talk]]) 18:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
:::And, Genesect's stance is only like that because of the giant laser on its back. Also gotta lean a little to aim, just like Blastoise. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Of course it's not exactly the same, it's "altered". The dex doesn't say "altered by adding a cannon to its back" it says it was altered AND had a cannon attached to its back. But... There's nothing official to go off, just a lot of interesting links that can be drawn between the two. Unless someone actually bothers to ask the design team (which nobody ever does for some reason), I wouldn't say there's enough basis for it to be included in the article. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
::::: I think Kabutops is the ancestor of Genesect, despite that Genesect is bug type. First of all, Kabutops shares a resemblance to Genesect. Second of all, it states on [[Genesect]] that before it was modified by [[Team Plasma]], it was a skilled and a ruthless hunter, while [[Kabutops]] was a fierce prehistoric predator. Next, there could be a possibility that the revived fossil was Kabutops because there couldn't be a pokemon fossil that when revived, would look like Genesect other than the Dome fossil when Kabuto evolves into Kabutops. Finally, Kabutops and Genesect both have some of the same features like, that they both have wide flattish heads,a provident chest, the pelvis sticks out,they both have blade hands, and their leg structures are almost the same. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]]
::::::This is starting to sound like a Forums discussion. From the looks of it, it was already determined that there is not enough evidence to conclude that Kabutops is an ancestor of Genesect and thus making the connection unnotable. Please stop speculating on this page. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 02:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

==How is Magnet Bomb an event move?==
Um...it's listed in the level-up list. Am I crazy, or is this true?(Don't say I'm crazy or you'll regret it)[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 21:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:Genesect normally learns it later. Lv. 15 event Genesect versus Lv. 22 "normal" Genesect. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 22:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

==Origin==
I would also like to add something to the origin. Now that Genesect's High Speed Flight Form has been announced, I would like to add to the origin that Genesect's ability to transform into a vehicle is another aspect inspired by alien robots in science fiction, specifically, Transformers.[[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 01:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:Based on my understanding, we generally try to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Keldeo_(Pokémon)#Keldeo_can.27t_be_based_on_a_toy.3F avoid referring to copyrighted works] in the Origin sections unless it's blatantly obvious (like {{p|Tyranitar}}/{{wp|Godzilla}}). I don't know much about Transformers, so I'll defer to anybody else's final judgment, but I'd be hesitant to draw an explicit comparison between the two. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
::Well, Keldeo is different. They probably don't have MLP toys in Japan, but I'm pretty sure they have Transformers. Besides, the origin already says it is based off of alien robots, and now that we know it can transform, I'd say there's a possible connection.[[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 17:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
:::{{wp|Category:Transforming toy robots|Except Transformers aren't the only transforming robots.}} All too often people will find comparisons to something with no real evidence, and that is called speculation. Unless it's officially stated, or heavily obvious, we won't include it in the origin sections. Also, please put new sections at the bottom, and do not reply to messages older than six months. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:55, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== Ambrette town fossil lab ==

While playing X&Y, I was speaking to people in the fossil lab of Ambrette Town, and a Hiker asked if I had a Genesect. Should this be included anywhere on the page?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 01:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
:It'd probably be best to wait until Pokémon Bank is released and Genesect can be obtained in XY, then we'll know what he wants to see the Genesect for. [[User:Takharii|'''~た''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''かは''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''りい''']] 01:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== Wrong Chespin pic and number ==
At the bottom of the page, the bar which links to the previous and next Pokémon contains two errors. Chespin is shown as #651 instead of #650, in addition to having the icon of a Quilladin instead of his own. Seeing as I apparently don't have the permission to edit the page, I thought I'd just leave this here for someone who in fact can correct this. [[User:The Q|The Q]] ([[User talk:The Q|talk]]) 09:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 09:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

== Reddy ==
Am I right in thinking that the Red Genesect from the most recent Pokémon movie is the first movie legendary not to get an English-language event? I know we got a "Team Plasma Genesect", but we never got the red Genesect from the movie. Is that notable trivia, if it's the only one? I can't think of any others that were skipped. I mean, we even got the shiny frickin' Beast Trio from the Zoroark movie. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
:Actually, as far as I can tell (at least based on our wiki pages), there were no English-language movie tie-in events until the {{DL|List of English event Pokémon distributions in Generation III|Mystery Mew}} for [[M08]]. Thus, there were (at least) seven movies before M16 not to have tie-in events. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

==Technoblast==
Have noticed that technoblast now has 120 power, should this be updated? {{unsigned|CraftyWeavile}}
:Since this is currently its Gen V moveset, no. When it's Gen VI moveset is added, it'll be updated. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 01:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== Possible design origin ==
A Goldwing motor..thing?Some look a LOT like Genesect... I'm not sure how to insert images, but here's a pic. Is it coincidence? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/xrayr/Goldwing/GoldwingBack-6-17-07.jpg
- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 18:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Fly (move)

2014-03-09T00:23:52Z

Pringles: /* "spots they've been to" */

My Honchkrow in Diamond has been hurt while Flown Up High by wild Machokes' Submission and Cross Chop moves... Does anybody know why? I might be missing something simple here. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 22:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Most likely [[No Guard (ability)|No Guard]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 22:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I figured out it'd be an ability shortly after posting this, but couldn't be bothered to get back online. I blush, I do. Thanks. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 05:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Anime ==

In the anime I have deducted that any flying type can fly, but must learn the actual move to fly fast enough into the enemy to cause damage, faster than a tackled attack. --[[User:Dark Lord Revan|Dark Lord Revan]] 05:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe the difference begins with this move's Japanese name not meaning just "fly". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 05:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::But dealing with the English version, I don't think any Pokémon in flight is using 'Fly'. I had the impression uses of the move were about carrying trainers, like Pidgeot in ''Pallet Party Panic''. -[[User:Damien Nightstar|Damien Nightstar]] 11:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Has anyone ever given their Pokémon an attack order to use Fly? Answering that might help to clear things up a bit. --[[User:Teradyne|Teradyne]] 00:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one has ever commanded a Pokemon to use the move fly in the Anime. I think the pictures should be taken down. [[User:Pelipper Rocks|Pelipper Rocks]] 06:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Charizard learned it. And anime not Anime. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 06:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::If he never used it as an attack (that is, having been given an attack order of "Use Fly", or another similar order), then I would have a hard time believing that Fly was used. The ONLY time that I would believe to be a canon use of the attack would be in Movie 3, during the battle at the beginning. Ash's Noctowl looked as if it may have used Fly when flying up to attack Aipom. However, it's hard to tell without hearing Ash give the actual command. --[[User:Teradyne|Teradyne]] 16:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Why do so many people have such difficulty understanding that the act of flying and the actual move fly are two different things? [[User:Pelipper Rocks|Pelipper Rocks]] 04:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Who knows. However, after watching the battle again, it's more likely that Noctowl was using Take Down, and not Fly. Is anyone '''absolutely''' sure that Fly has been used in the anime and movies? If not, I vote that we remove the information, or reword the section to say that the instances are not fully confirmed.--[[User:Teradyne|Teradyne]] 19:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Unfortunately, I cannot find a single occurrence when the trainer specifically said "Use Fly". Therefore, I agree that the 'In the anime' section should be deleted. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I have seen every episode of the show. Even the banned ones, except for Shaking Island Battle: Barboach vs. Wiscash. Anyways, the MOVE fly has never been used, and therefore I think that the pictures should be removed. Especially since the episode which the picture is from doesn't say that the pokemon is USING fly. {{Unsigned|Pelipper Rocks}}

== The anime pictures. ==

It would be useful if somebody would clarify which episodes the pictures are from. Just saying... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well below the pics, we say when the Pokémon first used the move. And this is the same for all moves, so if you want to change it, bring it up on the move dex project's talk page. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's exactly the problem, I don't know from what episode Image:Fly anime.jpg is from. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::It says under the explanation of when they used the move. It was in [[DP013]]. In the pic, it says ''many flying-types''. Just match that up with the explanation that says '''Many Flying-type Pokémon'''. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm very sorry about not noticing, my dumb mistakes. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

==Gen I?==
what about Flying Pikachu? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==Required Badges==

Would it be feasible to list which badges are required in order to use Fly outside of battle to move around each game's respective regions? --[[User:Lord Kelvin|Lord Kelvin]] 06:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Really? ==

Zubat and Golbat can learn Fly in Generation IV? [[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 02:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:As an HM, yes. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] 02:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Including in Diamond and Pearl? Or just in Platinum? [[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 18:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thunder in Gen I ==

Thunder was unable to hit mid-Fly Pokémon until Gen II, that's why I changed it. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 08:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Dragoness
:Well, I want to know how many times you tried. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 16:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
I'm probably going to get yelled at for even suggesting this, but this this image constitute the move Fly in the anime??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 18:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:No. Flying and using the move fly are two different things. [[User:Pelipper Rocks|Pelipper Rocks]] 23:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::You kinda need proof of that. What if the producers of the anime say that every Pokémon seen flying is actually using the move Fly? We can't go on your word alone. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:::'''''I HAVE AN IDEA!!!''''' I'm going to submit this arguement to Pokemon.com, and hopefully they'll respond on the website. (You know that {{p|Phione}} controversy on the website when they changed their answer? ([http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008]) I sent that question in.) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 23:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::::what phione contreversy? {{unsigned|Lambie}}

== Smeargle ==

Should [[Smeargle (Pokémon)|Smeargle]]'s move [[Sketch (move)|Sketch]] be included here because it can use Fly outside of battle after it is learned? Just a random question, no need to yell at me if it shouldn't.--[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 17:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Flying Pikachu ==

Shouldn't Pikachu be added to the list of Pokémon able to learn Fly be added to this list, as it is possible to catch a Pikachu knowing the move in the [[Yellow Forest]] PokéWalker course (obviously it would need to be added under special)?[[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 22:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Delibird==
Well, i'm updating the anime section, and i think i'm going to get rid of delibird and heracross, especially Delibrid. In the picture, Delibird is just flying, not carrying anyone on its back. I wrote in the {{m|Surf}} anime section a while ago and it got deleted, the person saying that all Pokemon that can swim can learn surf, but accoring to the Delibird pic, that means all Pokemon with wings can learn Fly, which is untrue. So, i'm going to delete it, if you want you can put it back up, but I'm going to get rid of it. (and Heracross too, because Heracross can't learn it). [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I also got rid of Garchomp 2, since it can't learn it. Sorry people! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

==HootHoot==
I just went to Falkner's article and it says his HootHoot used Fly in the episode, but it doesn't say that in the fly article. I haven't seen the episode so im not sure if it really did use fly. {{unsigned|Lambie}}

It never uses fly, I've seen the episode. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 13:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Oh My Arceus!! ==

What in the world is up with the bottom of this page? --[[User:Landfish7|Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 13:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't think Arceus is a Bug type. [[User:Bladecutter|Bladecutter]] 17:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
::It's called Arceus type. Arceus's type changes every day to a random type. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Every ''second'', actually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Replacement header image ==

Transparencies fixed!

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/picture.php?albumid=2973&pictureid=32993

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/picture.php?albumid=2973&pictureid=32994

How about these? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 09:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Charizard ==

We can't be inconsistent. Either [[Ash's Charizard]] and [[Charla]] need to be removed from this page, or Fly needs to be added to their pages. Kenji-girl has [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Charizard&diff=906293&oldid=906286 removed it] from Charizard's page before. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Outside Of Battle image ==

I think the page would look cleaner if the outside of battle image was moved to the infobox, istead of just floating around on the page and making it look untidy. This should also be done for other moves with out of battle images. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 11:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:Could I get at least get a reply please? There's been 4 edits to this section, yet no-ones bothered replying. Sorry if this comes across as being rude, it's not supposed to be. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 15:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::Well, I have nothing against it.'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I actually support this idea (for Fly and the pictures/animations that exist for other moves usable outside of battle), because nearly every other image associated with a move (mainly, anime and manga usages; and past-generation game depictions) is located in a gallery specifically reserved for that type of image, making the "outside of battle" example images look somewhat out of place in comparison. In my opinion, moving such images to the infobox would help articles appear to be arranged better. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 09:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

::::This looks like a fantastic idea, I think we should do this for all moves that have an effect out of battle. I would also suggest that those like Headbutt, Dive, Defog etc should be added to the previous generations thingo at the bottom, rather than spaced throughout the article. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 09:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I think this is a good idea. Seems like a good place for it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Adventures ==

Cyrus's Magnezone used Fly or Magnet Rise? Cynthia's Garchomp is really "flying through the skies" as the text in this page states or only running, with Dragon Rush or something? These are allowed in the table while a Pikachu flying with balloons (what's considered "Fly" by the TCG and [[Media:Yellow Forest US Art.png|game art]]) is not? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 22:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:Magnet Rise is a completely different move. It allows a Pokemon to levitate over Ground-type attacks. The manga usually stays true to the games move-wise, so when a Trainer is flying on a Pokemon's back, it's usually Fly. ...um, running? There have been several parts where Garchomp is flying... when its fighting Cyrus in Celestic Town, in Veilstone City, and on Spear Pillar to name three off the top of my head. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 02:35, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

== Capture ==

Is it worth noting that (in Emerald at least), Poké balls can be successfully thrown at wild Pokémon in the semi-invulnerable turn of Fly? I tried to catch Rayquaza several times in this way but it broke free of the Ball. Also, this is slightly off-topic, but I have confirmed that in Pearl and White, the semi-invulnerable stage of Shadow Force and Dig prevents capture. —'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|Team Magma]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|Zangoose ⚡]]''' 02:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
:This is noted on [[Poké Ball#Poké Ball accuracy]]. I think it would be appropriate to add it to all pages about moves with a semi-invulnerable turn. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

== Chuchu ==

While on Chuchu's page, it said that it knows fly. Should Chuchu go under the Manga section, or do we not count it because she's not really flying, just using balloons. If the latter is the case, then we will have to remove Fly from Chuchu's page. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 21:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
:Here's the thing:
#First of all, we don't base an article on another article, one does not have to agree with the other, except for layout in some cases.
#The move Fly has been used by the Flying Pikachu in the TCG and depicted as a Pikachu wrapped by strings with floating balloons. A Pikachu with Fly could also be found in the Pokéwalker Area Yellow Forest, whose artwork had exactly the same situation. However, for some reason, Bulbapedia staff does not believe that a move is legitimate if it needs an object that does not belong to the Pokémon (even with examples like Genesect's Drives and Rotom's home appliances).
:So, the only thing we can do here so far is to leave this information in the Trivia section, and try to make productive edits in other articles. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 23:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

== Forced learning ==

I'm getting reports that the information put in the generation VI section is false, and that you can refuse to learn it. Anyone able to try this? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

==Y==
Just noticed that Charizard has "Y" as alt text in the chart for Pokémon that can learn Fly via HM (indicating that it can learn Fly in Yellow, but not Red/Blue/Green). The meaning of that tag has become a lot more ambiguous, now that there is a "Pokémon Y" as well as a "Mega Charizard Y". It's probably simple enough to change the alt text, but I wanted to bring this to someone's attention in case this problem exists elsewhere on the wiki as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:08, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Removing a Notification ==
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Fly_(move)&diff=0&oldid=2066340 This Edit] removes a notification template, suggesting that it is complete, despite there still being holes (such as Lugia and Ho-oh). Would it be alright for it to be reverted? or was it removed for a reason? [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 00:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
: reverted, sorry about that --[[User:StatelessDrake|StatelessDrake]] ([[User talk:StatelessDrake|talk]]) 01:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
::Not a problem :) [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 01:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

== "spots they've been to" ==
What exactly does that mean for towns? Does it require the player to heal? Does it require them to enter the Pokécenter? Or does it just require them to enter the region of the town? [[User:Nixitur|Nixitur]] ([[User talk:Nixitur|talk]]) 22:45, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
: In towns, it usually just brings you to the Pokémon Center, as long as you've healed there. In your hometown, it just brings you to your house. At least, I think that's how it works. - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Green (Adventures)

2013-12-28T23:54:52Z

Pringles:

Uh, "US: Green"? Isn't that a bit ethnocentrial? What about the U.K., Australia, Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and all the other places which have an English version of this series? In fact, the English version of Blue is still known as Green in the translations being done by Chuang Yi, which aren't even released in the U.S.

Perhaps it is. But I was a too lazy to type in English. And, please sign your comments (append <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) -- [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 01:14, 8 Jan 2005 (GMT)

Would NA & EU: greeen be more apropos then? ~Tyger

That still leaves out other countries like Australia, Singapore, etc. How about just "English: Green"? ~Ketsy

And for the record, so nobody has a heart attack, English doesn't mean England, it means the language. =p

---

Would that be bald-faced or bold-faced for her lies? I don't read the manga, but if she's as cunning as the article suggests, then her lies would be bold-faced, no? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I suspect she meant bald-faced, to show her skills of persuasion. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 14:07, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't aware there were two different sayings like that. @_@ -Ketz

I'm pretty sure 'bald-faced' and 'bold-faced' mean the exact same thing.--BJ

-----

A bald-faced would be very presumptuous, very obvious perhaps. A bold-faced lie is, well, bold. Er, I don't explain well... Maybe an example of each.

Bald-faced lie: "No one's ever been unsatisfied with these shiny-coat items."

Bold-faced lie: "Using these items makes a Pikachu's coat shiny."

Eh, I'm not too good at giving examples, either ^_^;; Maybe her lies /are/ bald-face, maybe they're bold-faced. I've seen these two get confused a lot, and I don't read the manga, so I figured I'd ask. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

== Snubble ==
In the trivia, it says her Snubble got a sex change. IT think thats crude and a little... well... I just think its an error and needs to be listed as such. And thoughts?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]]
:It sounds so... wrong. If you've got a sick mind like mine, that is... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:Could be a continuity error in the actual manga and not an article error here. Additionally, the continuity error might not happen in all versions of the manga--for all we know, this bit could be one of Chuang Yi's infamous mistakes that keep some people from actually trusting them. Of course, Chuang Yi might have just translated a Japanese error...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I just meant the way it was stated kinda needs reworded. Sorry for any misconceptions.--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 03:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

: Yeah, regardless of who made the error, be it the writers or the translators, it's clearly an error rather than an actual intended sex change, and should be noted as such... Also, if this indeed true and her Granbull is indeed listed as female in Volume 24, shouldn't it be listed as female here, as that is later? Or at least have gender disputed or not display the gender. If it does indeed, in the Japanese version, go from male to female, then there's no reason it should be listed as male. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 23:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Please Help Me ==
[[Image:Green on Blasty.png|thumb]]
For the Life of me i can't find Green's Game information, i tried Green (Game) LeafGreen (Game) and Midori (Game), what ever happened to it?{{unsigned|Gaiden}}

As in Pokémon Green Version? or Green from the Special Manga? or Green from the game?•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 14:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:Are you talking about this girl?•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 15:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::Try [[Leaf (game)]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank you for taking the time to help me, i was searching for Leaf (game), your the best -- [[User:Mcbowser]] 06:16 21, May 2008 (UTC)

== Update ==

I saw about the combined party, so don't forget about her!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 02:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Name ==

I find it funny that we name her Blastoise by its English nickname yet we call her by her Japanese name. Why are we doing this? In English, she's called Green. Green is Blue in English. This would be like calling Ash "Satoshi". --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:I agree completely but people are crazy and wont listen. This is an English wikipedia. It should use the English names. I just searched "Green"(Leaf) and got Blue(Gary).... This is insane. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::You probably should hide the W-word before the Echidna sees it. I don't have any manga knowledge, so I'll stay out of making a judgment here. It does seem kinda silly though, especially seeing that Blue(ga)=Green(sp). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Besides, the Viz reissues are nearing release. Simply put, if Viz calls {{Special|Green|the Gary clone}} Green in the reissues, then Viz would without a doubt call this character Blue in the reissues and then this whole name issue will be rendered absolutely moot, even if the rest of the translation remains the same. The chance does exist for Viz to rectify the name switch, given how the naming schemes for English {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} went (which, in turn, left some people wondering how Viz would have handled things had they reached {{PAV|22}} in the original releases)...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It may be an English-language Pokémon wiki, but can't we just stick with the current scheme of things, where all references to the characters are based on the English version of their Japanese names? Unless you're willing to go through every single page which refers to both Green and Blue and change them accordingly. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I suggest waiting for Viz's re-releases. If they change the names back to Japanese order, we'll stick to the current scheme. If they don't, I suggest moving it definitely and officially. I think the odds are they will leave the English scheme alone but who knows... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, the new Viz volume is out. Green (the female) won't appear until next volume, but Red's rival/Professor Oak's grandson/the Gary equivalent is named Blue. I guess that answers that? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 21:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Well, firstly, they're likely just reprints so waiting until the FRLG saga would be a good idea (though I don't doubt they'll make sure of consistency). Plus, Green and Blue are linked from multiple pages and not in the same context. Who wants to go change '''''every single link'''''? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Might could get a bot to do it, but I see your point... I still don't like it, though. >_> --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 22:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I see no need to wait until FRLG... They are encountered in the GSC Saga, and that should be good enough since Viz has never published those.
::::::::Alternatively, I would be willing to go and change every instance if we make the switch now. Fear of the work involved is NOT a good reason to not change them. --LaprasBoi 13:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But the fact that universally it's declared that Green is paired with Red, unlike what was the case before FRLG came out, is the real issue here, especially since FRLG didn't become FRWB elsewhere.
:::::::::Plus, there's the teensy little fact that '''''we call the manga Pokémon Special instead of Pokémon Adventures anyway'''''. Everyone knows it as Special, everyone knows this girl as Blue and Red's rival as Green. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Officials > Everyone, IMHO. We're not FanonPedia. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Says the guy who made Platina Platinum... You do know that the Japanese word for it is "はっきん", right? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I did it because of the Netkun Website spelling. I have ALWAYS referred to her as Platina and I still do. But that's the official name. In Soviet Bulbagarden, fandom pisses on YOU!! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Well, I really consider it like this, then... We don't call Gold "Kin" because his Japanese name is... Gold. Red's not Aka, Green's not Midori, and so on. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
<- Are we really going to get into an argument over this? Although this is an English language Pokémon wiki, PokéSpe and I think a few other mangas are generally referenced based on the Japanese versions, since that's where they originated from. To decide that all manga has to be based on the English version would probably make things more complicated especially when it comes to things released in Japan and not released yet, or ever released, in English. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 01:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, honestly, 90% of the manga is just done with Japanese names anyway. We call it PiPiPi, rather than MPJ, and no one I know calls them by their English names anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Alot of people call Gary Blue, and Leaf Green. This is the only place I have seen it the otherway arround becides the random people on wikipedia changing the names arround and getting reverted. lol. The games call him Blue in Generation one, two, and three. The games call her Leaf in gen3, which represents the color Green. Just because one manga translater is confused doesnt mean everyone else should be. --[[User:Blake|Blake]]
:::I actually prefer MPJ to "PiPiPi". I hate that Japanese, overly cute, fancy titles. Some people use MPJ too. As for Special/Adventures - well, most people just prefer "Special". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Where do you get this vague ‘statistic’ “most people”? --LaprasBoi 08:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
So, according to Dogasu, this is NOT just a reprint. It’s unflipped and edited differently, including some stuff that was not in the original release - ''yet they have still chosen to call the male rival Blue''. I will be picking it up myself soon to verify, but this completely invalidates the argument that they are just using their original version, and calling these characters by these names out of habit. I also think it’s completely ludicrous to entertain for even one minute the notion that if they continue to publish the whole series, they will suddenly change the names of two main characters after some 20 volumes, half of which feature those characters. --LaprasBoi 08:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have now purchased it and [[User:LaprasBoi/Pokémon Adventures VIZ edition differences‎|confirmed this]]. While the same basic translation is used, there is extra content, and the existing text has been checked and altered in a few places by a new editor – and the publisher is the previous editor-in-chief, and would have been familiar with the change, as would all the people from Pokémon whom they had to work with on the new license and copyright. The whole thing also had to be re-lettered because of the unflipping, so if they had wanted to change Blue’s name to Green to match the Japanese version, they could have done so easily – and if they were ever going to, now would be the time. I am completely confident now that it is never going to happen, even if he becomes Green in English in ''HG'' and ''SS''( Arceus forbid), unless they were to once again stop publishing and pick it up years later.( Of course, ignoring for a second the fact that you '''won’t''' act, it would be a little premature to do so anyway at the moment, as there is still the slight chance that they could change the female character’s name to Leaf or something.) I want to say again how perfectly ridiculous it is that Bulbapedia uses the English names, where available, for games, anime, TCG, even ''ships'', and [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu|certain manga]], yet still uses the Japanese for certain aspects of other manga, while also using the English names for [[Keane|aspects]] [[Chermaine|of]] ''those same manga''. This is the ''English'' Pokémon wiki. There are other Pokémon wikis for other languages. 
:You say that “Special” and “Green”-boy/“Blue”-girl are more common among English-speaking readers, but you offer no evidence whatsoever. Whatever the percentage of those who use Japanese terms despite only reading the stories in English, I am sure that a larger percentage of readers have never even bothered to look it up on the internet and find out that the names were ever changed. If there were no existing or ongoing translations, or if Chuang Yi went the Japanese way, I could see that being reasonable, they have published more of the manga, longer, and more consistently that VIZ. But it’s not so. In the English publications “Aventures”, boy-“Blue”and girl-“Green” are ALWAYS used officially. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly. People who didn't look into it that much would never know that the names were switched. The only thing this does is make everybody confused about who's who and having to say Blue(male) and Green(female) when we are talking about them. So who is going to be doing the name change in the articles? --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 14:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I just wanna say... with game characters and anime characters, the english name is almost universally used. Why should it be different for the manga? (although I know it does get complicated for untranslated parts of mangas i.e. the last three volumes of Magical Pokémon Journey and anything after the Yellow arc in Pokémon Adventures) [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 03:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::: does it really matter if we use the japanese translations? Its not gonna affect this wiki or anybody if we use the japanese translation. And if you are living outside of US (Which most of us are). You will realise that Viz only sells the best of pokémon adventures. not the complete volumes. even if Viz re-releases the volumes, it is likely not going to sell outside the US at all. Chuang Yi's translation is considered official almost anywhere around the world. Nobody knows what Viz is, and nobody really cares. So if we switch the names around, Ur gonna confuse more people than the normal translation.---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 15:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::::: Now in general, I'm all for sticking to the Japanese names for things. However, that's not how this wiki does things. We don't use the names Satoshi, Tougan, Pluto and Hikari everywhere, we use Ash, Byron, Charon and Dawn, which is why we should do the same for Special/Adventures. While the original Japanese publication refers to Oak's grandson as "Green" and the girl as "Blue", this is switched around in ''all'' of the official English adaptions. Both the Chuang Yi and Viz editions do this, with the Chuang Yi version already at 30 volumes and Viz starting republication of their own edition. Remember, if Viz wanted to change it back the way it was in Japan, they would have done it in this new volume 1. No matter how you look at it, going by official English terminology Oak's grandson is "Blue" and the girl is "Green". Either we change these names to the English ones, or we change EVERY OTHER NAME to the Japanese ones. That's how consistency works. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 13:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well there are few days until the release of VIZ’s new volume two, there is still a minute chance the girl could be called Leaf( unless anyone has an advance copy?), but, yeah. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::223david, I think you misunderstood a big point: Chaung Yi uses '''the same names''' for Blue and Green that VIZ does. So '''even if''' we are considering Chuange Yi’s translation official instead of VIZ’s, '''the articles should still be called ''Adventures'' with these characters at the opposite names'''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Special is special, so it's staying at Special. No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers. And swapping Green and Blue would necessitate a thorough relinking of ''a whole crapton'' of stuff. Special follows different rules from the anime and the games, and that's always been the case. Leave it as is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::“No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers.”? That’s bull. Anyone who has ever read it English and not researched online about the Japanese version does not even know the name “SPECIAL” exists. So all those readers call it ''Adventures''. I call it ''Adventures''. The other 3 readers I know in person all call it ''Adventures''. About 90% of the American and Australian readers I know online outside of this wiki and maybe 15-25% I know from here call it ''Adventures'' despite knowing its origin, as do both readers I know from Singapore, the one from Korea, and most of the dozen or so from Europe. It’s also called ''Adventures'' on MangaFox, where many fans read the scanned Chuang Yi and amateur scanslations to keep up with stuff not yet released by VIZ. If “no one” called it ''Adventures'', do you think any of us would care enough to make the argument?
::And being afraid of the work is NOT a good enough reason to keep them at the wrong names. Names which are confusing at that, since the original rival’s [[Blue (game)|game article name]] refers not to his counterpart but to [[Blue (Adventures)|someone else entirely]] in the manga. I know you are hoping he will be renamed Green in the English translation of ''HG''/''SS'', but what if he’s not? The change would be easily accomplished with bots in two stages, or I will manually do ALL the switching myself if you prefer. I have a plan that would make it quite simple( though tedious without bot assistance). It’s not that different from the change you would have to do if he IS renamed in the new games anyway.
::There is no reason to keep it the way it is when we use English names for EVERYTHING non-manga( and even for stuff within this manga like [[Keane]] and [[Chermaine]]) except for personal bias on your part and CP!’s. And while that is, unfortunately, technically a ''viable'' reason considering that you are in charge, that still does not make it logical or reasonable. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga|{{tt|Ladies, please...|Take up this issue in a more central location where those of us who really should care about it can see it easily.}}]] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This issue was [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga#Green and Blue|already raised there]], trom seemed to say to keep the discussion here so it would all be in one place. If you want to move the discussion there, you could always try to get permission to cut and past the whole thing to that page.
::::Also, it is nearly impossibly to see the alternate text of a tt template when the display text consists wholly of a link. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::{{tt|What started as a simple "Blue vs Green" debate has rapidly turned into a "Special vs Adventures" debate, or at least that's how it's coming across to me. Hence my suggestion to move to the project page, since it ''should'' be of concern to the project members.|Also, with regards to the tt, it was a case of either being able to see the alt text all the time but not know it was a link, or know it was a link, and almost find out what the alt text is.}} '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well to me it still looks like a Green/Blue debate, with ''Adventures''/“Special” as a secondary but inextricably related issue. While I would '''like''' to see it changed to ''Adventures'' all over, for the moment I would settle for just switching these two articles for the sake of consistency – after all, we don’t have articles titled [[Keane|Kurtz]], [[Chermaine|Siam]], or [[Kimberly|Kiwame]], so why use japanese name translations for just these two, especially when it causes confusion with the boy’s game counterpart?( And I have repeatedly volunteered to do all the grunt work myself, even though it would be easier to get a bot to do it).
::::::But if you want to move the debate, regardless of what the focus is, don’t take it up with me and the other users here. Take it up with TTE and CP! and get permission to move all this stuff to the project talk page. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Would it be worth holding a one month poll (or something like that) on the forums to see whether the "Male Blue/Adventures" or "Female Blue/Special" naming system is preferred? Then we have a majority opinion from a fairly large sample of Pokémon fans and we can just settle this once and for all with ''evidence'' for what's preferred by most of the readers and not just the people in charge? I'm sure that if a majority opinion were formed in favour of "Female Blue/Special" then people who would prefer the Viz/Chuang Yi names (including myself) would keep quiet(er) about the debate. [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 00:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, the poll ''has'' been considered. But it will not be made until after the release of the Japanese Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver it'll give some time with some things. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 01:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Fair enough. [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 01:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
So... Has this poll happened yet. Cuz i'd like to get in on this and voice my opinion. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

== Birds ==

I don't remeber Red and the boy whose name I better not state to avoid {{M|confusion}} returning the birds. They probaly did but you can't go on probaly. Lunick v sonela 07:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
: Blue (the girl) got them back after freeing lugia and Ho oh from the mask of time. ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 08:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Mask of ''Ice''... --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding about her age. ==

Shouldn't Green's age be 20? I know it's a small error, but here's proof of the time line:

>RBG arc- 10 at the main start
>Yellow arc- 2 years later (12)
>GS arc- 1 year later (13)
>Crystal arc- 13
>RS arc-15
>FrLg arc-16
>Emerald arc-17
>DPPt arc- (unknown)???
>HGSS arc- 20

Since HGSS takes place 3 years after Emerald, wouldn't the gang be nearly in their mid teen's to young adult?

I think I may be wrong too.

:That's correct, but because she hasn't yet appeared in the HGSS arc we aren't changing it to 20. Once/if she does, then it'll be changed. [[User:Reign|Reign]]

== Bird Phobia ==
She does NOT have a bird ''phobia''. According to Wikipedia, a phobia is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. Since her fear is rational for she has been kidnapped by a bird, it is not a phobia. [[User:Slipperjeans|Slipperjeans]] 17:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:Um, NO. Whether or not you have been kidnapped by one, it is rational to be cautious or even fearful of birds big enough to pick you up. However, her complete paralysis while facing Doctor O’s tiny Spearow is clearly irrational. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that the survivor of a Mastiff attack should rationally fear a tiny Chihuahua puppy. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 02:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Volume 14 ==

So what are her Pokemon nicknames in the listing in Viz's version of Vol. 14? Needs to be reflected in the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:Jigglypuff is Jiggly (friggin' finally). Nidory is Nido. The others were unnamed (which means the Chaung Yi names stay, right?) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 10:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, all English names used if given one. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 10:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Only two Pokemon nicknamed? That's really strange. How about Red, then? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Granbull's nickname? ==

Green's profile page in Pokémon Special's official website has her Pokémon names followed by their nicknames between parentheses. For her Snubbull, it's written ブルー(ブルー), what means "Snubbull (Snubbull)". When a Pokémon is nicknamed with its own species name and evolves the name is automatically changed. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:I think you're checking the wrong section. On the Pokedex section of Netkun, lists [http://family.shogakukan.co.jp/kids/netkun/pokemon/official/zukann/ha_zukann/zukann_hu_04.html Snubbull] as (Bull (♂)/ Nickname: Bull). While on the section where [http://family.shogakukan.co.jp/kids/netkun/pokemon/official/zukann/ka_zukann/zukann_ku_02.html Granbull] is, it says (Granbull (♂)/ Nickname: Bull). His nickname is Bull, it's a pun on Green's Japanese name. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
::Japanese puns... Thank you. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

== Her Parents ==

Seriously... are there no pictures of them? I can't find any, nor can I get the volume with them (considering it hasn't been released in America yet). Does anyone have any pictures? - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
: And how do we know their blood types? 'Cuz I've been wondering... - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Green (Adventures)

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Pringles:

Talk:Walda

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Pringles: look at this please

==Screenshot==

Can anyone get a pic of Walda's room for me? We'd really be able to expand the article.[[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 03:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:I've uploaded a pic. It's pretty small but at least it's something.[[User:ElectricRat|ElectricRat]] 22:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks a ton. I haven't played Emerald for a while. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

==She's sick?==

I thought that it was just that she was a new baby and that's why she's in bed. (Despite using the same sprite as little girls)

Here's what the father says(At least in the English version):

''Oh, hello! Welcome to the PEPPER household. I have a question for you. Have you ever baby-sat? You see, I'm a new father, so raising a child is all new to me. And I have a problem. My daughter WALDA doesn't laugh enough. I think she'd laugh for me if I told her something funny. Do you know of a funny word of phrase you can tell me?'' --[[User:ElectricRat|ElectricRat]] 16:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:You do know what baby-sitting is right?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
::So which is it? I'm confuzzled. --[[User:Pringles|Pringles]] ''([[User talk:Pringles|Discussions]])'' 19:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

== Wally counterpart ==

Could she be a counterpart to [[Wally]]? They're both sick, and they both get cheered up somewhat... They have similar names, too. [[User:Pringles|A delicious, low-sugar potato/rice crisp]] 02:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

== Walda Pepper? ==

Since Walda's full name is Walda Pepper, should we move this page to [[Walda Pepper]]? We generally use the full names of characters when applicable, even ones with bit parts (i.e. [[Characters of the day]]). - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 16:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

== Seriously ==

IS she a counterpart to Wally, like I said a year and a half ago? They both are really sick, the player helps that in some way, their names are pretty close, they're both exclusive to Gen III. Isn't there some similarity here, something significant? Please, somebody, confirm my suspicions. - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 20:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Write Your Own Adventures!

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== Wait... what? ==

Does the blurb really say "Generation I"? Because if it does, that's somewhat odd. - [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:42, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:XY008

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Pringles: Created page with "== Trivia == "One of the outfits Wobbuffet is seen wearing resembles Mona Lisa, and another one it's seen wearing resembles Napoleon Bonaparte." First, this insinuates that t..."

== Trivia ==

"One of the outfits Wobbuffet is seen wearing resembles Mona Lisa, and another one it's seen wearing resembles Napoleon Bonaparte." First, this insinuates that the outfit resembles Mona Lisa/Napoleon, which, of course, is false (hopefully). This should be clearly reworded, as well as the second clause being changed so as not to be repetitive. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Bergmite (Pokémon)

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Pringles: /* Origin */ fixing some grammar

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Gourgeist | next=Avalugg |type=ice | prevnum=711 | nextnum=713 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox|
name=Bergmite|
jname=カチコール |
tmname=Kachikōru |
image=712Bergmite Dream.png|
pron=<sc></sc> |
species=Ice Chunk |
typebox=1 |
type1=Ice |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Own Tempo |
ability2=Ice Body |
abilityd=Sturdy |
ndex=712 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=079 |
height-ftin=3'03" |
height-m=1.0 |
weight-lbs=219.4 |
weight-kg=99.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Monster |
gendercode=127|
eggcycles=Unknown|
expyield=61 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
color=Blue |
catchrate=0 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
footnotes=}}
'''Bergmite''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''カチコール''' ''Kachikōru'') is an {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

It [[evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Avalugg}} starting at [[level]] 37.

==Biology==

Bergmite is a small, quadruped Pokemon with yellow eyes which see out of a stalagmite-like ice chunk which it wears on the light purple top half of its round body. On the front of this icy armor is a horn-like protrusion, and there is a smaller protrusion lower down at its back resembling a tail. The lower half of its body is white with four stubby, conical legs.

Bergmite is known to live together in herds alongside Avalugg in snowy areas, especially mountains.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Bergmite has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ice
|gen=6
|xdex=It blocks opponents' attacks with the ice that shields its body. It uses cold air to repair any cracks with new ice.
|ydex=Using air of {{tt|-150 degrees Fahrenheit|-100 degrees Celsius}}, they freeze opponents solid. They live in herds above the snow line on mountains.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
gen=6|
type=Ice |
xyrarity=Uncommon |
xyarea=[[Frost Cavern]] |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base Stats|
type=Ice|
HP=55|
Attack=69|
Defense=85|
SpAtk=32|
SpDef=35|
Speed=28}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=ice|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|5|Powder Snow|Ice|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|10|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|20|Sharpen|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|26|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|30|Ice Ball|Ice|Physical|30|90|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|35|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level6|39|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|47|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|49|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM79|Frost Breath|Ice|Special|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}

{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}{{MSP|698|Amaura}}{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{Learnlist/tutorh/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{Learnlist/tutorf/6|Bergmite|Ice|Ice|6}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=000
|name1=Bergmite
|type1-1=Ice
|evotype1=Level
|level1=37
|sprite2=000
|name2=Avalugg
|type1-2=Ice}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==

===Origin===
Bergmite appears to be based on an {{wp|iceberg}} or a {{wp|stalagmite}}. Bergmite represents the tip of the iceberg, which is always quite little compared to the submerged part (In this case, Avalugg).

====Name origin====
Bergmite may be a combination of ''iceberg'', ''mite'' (small animal), and possibly ''{{wp|stalagmite}}''.

Kachikōru may be a combination of かちかち ''kachikachi'' (onomatopoeic word for frozen stiff), 凍る ''kooru'' (to freeze), and コールド ''cold''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ice|type2=ice
|ja=カチコール ''Kachikōru''|jameaning=Possibly from {{tt|かちかち ''kachikachi''|onomatopoeic word for frozen stiff}}, {{tt|凍る ''kooru''|to freeze}}, and ''cold''
|fr=Grelaçon|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|grêle|hail}}'', ''{{tt|grelotter|shivering}}'', and ''{{tt|glaçon|ice}}''
|es=Bergmite|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Arktip|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Arctic|Arktis}}'' and ''Tip''
|it=Bergmite|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=꽁어름 ''Kkong'eoreum''|komeaning=From {{tt|꽁꽁 ''kkong'kkong''|frozen hard}} and {{tt|얼음 ''eol'eum''|ice}}
}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Gourgeist | next=Avalugg |type=ice | prevnum=711 | nextnum=713 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Arktip]]
[[fr:Grelaçon]]
[[it:Bergmite]]
[[ja:カチコール]]
[[zh:カチコール]]

Avalugg (Pokémon)

2013-12-01T02:47:51Z

Pringles: /* Origin */ forgot the accent on Pokémon

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Bergmite | next=Noibat |type=ice | prevnum=712 | nextnum=714}}
{{Pokémon Infobox|
name=Avalugg|
jname=クレベース |
tmname=Kurebēsu |
image=713Avalugg Dream.png|
pron=<sc></sc> |
species=Iceberg |
typebox=1 |
type1=Ice |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Own Tempo |
ability2=Ice Body |
abilityd=Sturdy |
ndex=713 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=080 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=1113.3 |
weight-kg=505.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Monster |
gendercode=127|
eggcycles=Unknown|
expyield=180 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
color=Blue |
catchrate=0 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
footnotes=}}
'''Avalugg''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クレベース''' ''Kurebēsu'') is an {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Bergmite}} starting at [[level]] 37.

==Biology==

Avalugg is a large, heavy Ice-type Pokemon with a slightly symmetrical design, resembling to a large, four-legged iceberg. Its top half is flat, with three cracks, one before its stubby tail and two in between its four legs. These legs are cylindrical, and also sport purple cracks at its joints and in between its "toes", which each have a spike underneath, similar to cleats. Its underside has three spikes, which nearly touch the ground. Avalugg's head is similar to its body, a cracked wedge of ice with a flattened upper surface. Its mouth has a large underbite, which opens up to reveal a purple inside and a few small teeth. The head has two white diamond-shaped "ears." The underside of its head has three protrusions like its body, resembling an icy beard.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Avalugg has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ice
|gen=6
|xdex=Its ice-covered body is as hard as steel. Its cumbersome frame crushes anything that stands in its way.
|ydex=The way several {{p|Bergmite}} huddle on its back make it look like an aircraft carrier made of ice.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
gen=6|
type=Ice |
xyrarity=None |
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Bergmite}}|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base Stats|
type=Ice|
HP=95|
Attack=117|
Defense=184|
SpAtk=44|
SpDef=46|
Speed=28}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Ice|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|5|Powder Snow|Ice|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|10|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|20|Sharpen|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|26|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|30|Ice Ball|Ice|Physical|30|90|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|35|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level6|42|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|46|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|51|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|56|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|60|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|65|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Avlugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM79|Frost Breath|Ice|Special|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}{{MSP|698|Amaura}}{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{Learnlist/tutorh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{Learnlist/tutorf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=000
|name1=Bergmite
|type1-1=Ice
|evotype1=Level
|level1=37
|sprite2=000
|name2=Avalugg
|type1-2=Ice}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Avalugg has the highest {{stat|Defense}} of all {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

===Origin===
Avalugg appears to be based on an {{wp|iceberg}} or a {{wp|stalactite}}. It may also be based on an {{wp|aircraft carrier}}. He is a Pokémon representation of the submerged part of the iceberg, which is immense in comparison with the tip (In this case, Bergmite)

====Name origin====
Avalugg may be a combination of ''avalanche'' and ''lug'' (to carry or drag heavy objects) or "lugg", which means 'pile' in Norwegian.

Kurebēsu may be a combination of ''{{wp|crevasse}}'' and ''base''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ice|type2=ice
|ja=クレベース ''Kurebēsu''|jameaning=Possibly from ''{{wp|crevasse}}'' and ''base''
|fr=Séracrawl|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|serac|sérac}}'' and ''crawl''
|es=Avalugg|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Arktilas|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Arctic|Arktis}}'' and possibly ''{{wp|Attila}}''
|it=Avalugg|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=크레베이스 ''Keurebeiseu''|komeaning=Based on its Japanese name; {{tt|''crevasse''|크레바스}} and {{tt|''base''|베이스}}
}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Bergmite | next=Noibat |type=ice | prevnum=712 | nextnum=714}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Arktilas]]
[[fr:Séracrawl]]
[[it:Avalugg]]
[[ja:クレベース]]
[[zh:クレベース]]

Avalugg (Pokémon)

2013-12-01T02:46:20Z

Pringles: /* Origin */ fixing a misspelling

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Bergmite | next=Noibat |type=ice | prevnum=712 | nextnum=714}}
{{Pokémon Infobox|
name=Avalugg|
jname=クレベース |
tmname=Kurebēsu |
image=713Avalugg Dream.png|
pron=<sc></sc> |
species=Iceberg |
typebox=1 |
type1=Ice |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Own Tempo |
ability2=Ice Body |
abilityd=Sturdy |
ndex=713 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=080 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=1113.3 |
weight-kg=505.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Monster |
gendercode=127|
eggcycles=Unknown|
expyield=180 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
color=Blue |
catchrate=0 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
footnotes=}}
'''Avalugg''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クレベース''' ''Kurebēsu'') is an {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Bergmite}} starting at [[level]] 37.

==Biology==

Avalugg is a large, heavy Ice-type Pokemon with a slightly symmetrical design, resembling to a large, four-legged iceberg. Its top half is flat, with three cracks, one before its stubby tail and two in between its four legs. These legs are cylindrical, and also sport purple cracks at its joints and in between its "toes", which each have a spike underneath, similar to cleats. Its underside has three spikes, which nearly touch the ground. Avalugg's head is similar to its body, a cracked wedge of ice with a flattened upper surface. Its mouth has a large underbite, which opens up to reveal a purple inside and a few small teeth. The head has two white diamond-shaped "ears." The underside of its head has three protrusions like its body, resembling an icy beard.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Avalugg has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ice
|gen=6
|xdex=Its ice-covered body is as hard as steel. Its cumbersome frame crushes anything that stands in its way.
|ydex=The way several {{p|Bergmite}} huddle on its back make it look like an aircraft carrier made of ice.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
gen=6|
type=Ice |
xyrarity=None |
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Bergmite}}|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base Stats|
type=Ice|
HP=95|
Attack=117|
Defense=184|
SpAtk=44|
SpDef=46|
Speed=28}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Ice|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|5|Powder Snow|Ice|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|10|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|20|Sharpen|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|26|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|30|Ice Ball|Ice|Physical|30|90|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|35|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level6|42|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|46|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|51|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|56|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|60|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|65|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Avlugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM79|Frost Breath|Ice|Special|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}{{MSP|698|Amaura}}{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{Learnlist/tutorh/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{Learnlist/tutorf/6|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Avalugg|Ice|Ice|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=000
|name1=Bergmite
|type1-1=Ice
|evotype1=Level
|level1=37
|sprite2=000
|name2=Avalugg
|type1-2=Ice}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Avalugg has the highest {{stat|Defense}} of all {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

===Origin===
Avalugg appears to be based on an {{wp|iceberg}} or a {{wp|stalactite}}. It may also be based on an {{wp|aircraft carrier}}. He is a Pokemon representation of the submerged part of the iceberg, which is immense in comparison with the tip (In this case, Bergmite)

====Name origin====
Avalugg may be a combination of ''avalanche'' and ''lug'' (to carry or drag heavy objects) or "lugg", which means 'pile' in Norwegian.

Kurebēsu may be a combination of ''{{wp|crevasse}}'' and ''base''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ice|type2=ice
|ja=クレベース ''Kurebēsu''|jameaning=Possibly from ''{{wp|crevasse}}'' and ''base''
|fr=Séracrawl|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|serac|sérac}}'' and ''crawl''
|es=Avalugg|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Arktilas|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Arctic|Arktis}}'' and possibly ''{{wp|Attila}}''
|it=Avalugg|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=크레베이스 ''Keurebeiseu''|komeaning=Based on its Japanese name; {{tt|''crevasse''|크레바스}} and {{tt|''base''|베이스}}
}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Bergmite | next=Noibat |type=ice | prevnum=712 | nextnum=714}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Arktilas]]
[[fr:Séracrawl]]
[[it:Avalugg]]
[[ja:クレベース]]
[[zh:クレベース]]

Talk:Gift Pokémon

2013-12-01T02:22:35Z

Pringles:

Do Eggs count? Such as Riley giving the {{p|Riolu}} egg, and Cynthia giving a {{p|Togepi}} egg? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. I don't see why not. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Don't the daycare couple also give you an egg in Gold/Silver/Crystal? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the [[Odd Egg]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 16:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::All right then. Are you going to add that in or shall I? In fact, there are more egg Pokemon available. A list is here: [[Pokémon egg]] [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I added it in and you removed it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 16:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Whoops. Sorry about that. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I believe [[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation IV|this page]] and, eventually, others like it better demonstrate these Pokémon.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well I created this because it was on the wanted pages. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::And, it seems to show every gift Pokemon in all generations as taht list you gave was just event Pokemon, not gifts. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 20:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

==More information==
Maybe we should expand this from a list to having more information on the Pokémon. Such as levels, moves, abilities and stuff like that? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 18:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:That goes into the "List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation X" article. This one is more of an overview. Not that it's done particularly well atm. More than one line of actual text would be fantabulous. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

==HG/SS Gift Pokemon==
I have got most of them from Serebii.net but does anyone know whether Kenya, the Spearow, is available again? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 13:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but the nickname is not yet confirmed as far as I'm aware. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. Thanks for that. I always keep it and have used it in my party a lot. I don't know why. I just do. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 21:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== [[Pokétopia]] ==
Should Pokétopia be noted in this article. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 21:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know. Can you count them as gift Pokémon? Well, they are not given by a trainer. They may go into a sub-section of the Given by other trainers part or that could be sectioned off. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:: That is true so I don't think it should be included. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 19:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:::And, you don't get given them. You get them delivered by the guy in the Pokémarts. They are techincally yours and you are not given them as gifts. They may want some mention though. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Anime and Manga ==

Should Pokémon in the Anime and Manga count? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 03:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yep. Focus on all canons. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::Starter Pokémon need to be included as well. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Haunter ==
Should {{TP|Sabrina|Haunter}} count as a Gift Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 19:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it sort of decided to stay with her, Ash didn't give it to her, so I would say no. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtained in Trades ==
Shouldn't Pokemon obtained in trades be here too? It would keep up with sitewise consistency as many articles have trade Pokemon under Gift Pokemon heading. They could go into another section or just link it to the other article to do with in-game trade Pokemon. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 20:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:I guess. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Order ==

The ''In the Anime'' Section is all over the place, but I would like other people's opinions before changing it. Should it be changed to have the Pokémon in ndex order or chronologically by episode? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:I say by character and then in order by episode. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I ordered it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 21:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Starter Pokémon==

I know they technically qualify as Gift Pokémon, but we already have an article about Starter Pokémon that lists them there. Is it necessary to list them here as well?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Is Eevee considered? ==

The eevee you get on generation III, is it really counted as gift pokemon? It is just sitting there on the counter, and there was no actual trainer to give it to you.

== Bianca's Pignite ==

Okay, I just rewatched BW013. She clearly never stated ''how'' she got Pignite other than she got it as a Tepig, and trained it at home before leaving on her journey. So someone needs to state clearly ''what episode'' and ''what scene'' she states how she got Pignite. Just reverting and saying "She does say!" doesn't get the point across. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== List organization? ==

I was wondering if these lists would look better with mutually-exclusive Pokemon combined into a single list item.

For example, instead of:

*{{p|Chikorita}} ([[Starter Pokémon]]) {{tt|*|The player gets a choice of Chikorita, Cyndaquil, or Totodile}}
*{{p|Cyndaquil}} ([[Starter Pokémon]]) {{tt|*|The player gets a choice of Chikorita, Cyndaquil, or Totodile}}
*{{p|Totodile}} ([[Starter Pokémon]]) {{tt|*|The player gets a choice of Chikorita, Cyndaquil, or Totodile}}

It could be:

*{{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}} ([[Starter Pokémon]])

What do you think? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 18:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I know it's an old post, but I fully support this change. I actually came to the Talk page to suggest this. [[User:Tehb0ll0x|Tehb0ll0x]] ([[User talk:Tehb0ll0x|talk]]) 23:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

== Fossils ==

Do fossils have their place in this section ? [[User:Chiwingum|Chiwingum]] ([[User talk:Chiwingum|talk]]) 21:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:I'd say it depends. The fossils like the one in the Kanto games should be fine since they were actually given, but the other types of fossils shouldn't since those are only found in the wild. They are only really resurrected by the scientist. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::Done ;-) [[User:Chiwingum|Chiwingum]] ([[User talk:Chiwingum|talk]]) 09:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
==Second Kalos Starter in Gen. VI==

After entering the Hall of Fame, Shauna gives you a level 5 Kalos starter of the same species as hers. This wasn't included, should it be? [[User:SamurottMaster4747|SamurottMaster4747]] ([[User talk:SamurottMaster4747|talk]]) 30 November 2013 23:28 (UTC)
:No, it shouldn't be included, as it's a trade. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 01:04, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Organization ==

Considering that Diamond/Pearl, and Platinum are combined, while Black/White and Black 2/White 2 are separate, I think there should be something done about how this page is put together. Any thoughts? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:22, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

2013-12-01T02:12:28Z

Pringles: /* Version-exclusive Pokémon */ correcting a grammatical error

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|name=Pokémon Black Version 2
|name2=Pokémon White Version 2
|jname=ポケットモンスターブラック２
|jname2=ポケットモンスターホワイト２
|boxart=Black 2 EN boxart.png
|boxart2=White 2 EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Black Version 2's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black]] {{p|Kyurem}}
|caption2=Pokémon White Version 2's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] [[Form differences#Kyurem|White]] {{p|Kyurem}}
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|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Black 2
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|platform=[[Nintendo DS]]{{tt|*|Enhanced for the Nintendo DSi and Nintendo 3DS}}
|category=RPG
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|link_method=[[DS Wireless Communications|DS Wireless]], [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection|Wi-Fi]], [[Infrared|IR]]
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]] [[The Pokémon Company]]
|gen_series=[[Generation V]] [[version|main series]]
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|release_date_na=October 7, 2012<ref>[http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=34106 Nintendo of America pressroom]</ref>
|release_date_au=October 11, 2012<ref>[http://www.nintendo.com.au/index.php?pageID=6&action=news&sectionID=1 Nintendo of Australia]</ref>
|release_date_eu=October 12, 2012<ref>[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/#en-gb/home Pokémon UK]</ref>
|release_date_kr=November 8, 2012<ref>[http://b2w2.pokemonkorea.co.kr/main.html# Pokémon Korea]</ref>
|website_ja=[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irej/ Nintendo.co.jp] [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/ Official site]
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'''Pokémon Black Version 2''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターブラック {{tt|２|ツー}}''' ''Pocket Monsters Black 2'') and '''Pokémon White Version 2''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターホワイト {{tt|２|ツー}}''' ''Pocket Monsters White 2'') are the second and final {{DL|Version|Relation to one another|paired versions}} of [[Generation V]] and are the sequels of [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]], respectively.

Both games were revealed on ''[[Pokémon Smash!]]'' by [[Junichi Masuda]], and subsequently the official Japanese and international<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ Pokémon Black Version 2 and Pokémon White Version 2]</ref> Pokémon websites, on February 26, 2012. They were released in Japan on June 23, 2012, in North America on October 7, 2012, in Australia on October 11, 2012, in Europe on October 12, 2012 and in South Korea on November 8, 2012.

The games feature two new forms of {{p|Kyurem}} that serve as the [[version mascot]]s of the games: Black Kyurem for Black 2 and White Kyurem for White 2.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}

The games take place two years after the events of {{game|Black and White|s}}. Many changes have taken place in [[Unova]] over this period: new locations are accessible in the southwest and northeast of the region, and some previously existing locations cannot be visited or are restricted until later in the game. Three new [[Gym Leader]]s and a new {{pkmn|Champion}} are introduced, while the [[List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number|Unova Pokédex]] is [[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number|expanded]] to include Pokémon foreign to the region, much like in {{game|Platinum}}.

The player—named, by default, {{ga|Nate}} if male or {{ga|Rosa}} if female—begins in the southwestern city [[Aspertia City]]. After receiving their [[starter Pokémon|first Pokémon]] from [[Professor Juniper]]'s assistant [[Bianca]], they are encouraged to battle in [[Gym|Pokémon Gyms]] and aim for the {{un|Pokémon League}}. A boy from the player's hometown, [[Hugh]], will travel with the player at certain times. Filling the traditional [[rival]] role, Hugh is not pursuing the Pokémon League challenge: it is revealed that he is trying to recover a stolen Pokémon from [[Team Plasma]], who were not disbanded two years prior as expected.

Over the course of their journey, the player and Hugh will have numerous encounters with both current and former members of Team Plasma, as well as the mysterious scientist [[Colress]]. One of the [[Seven Sages]], [[Zinzolin]], appears in an antagonistic role, yet former sage [[Rood]] will help the player. The plot comes to a head when Zinzolin freezes [[Opelucid City]] in ice with a combination of technology and the legendary dragon {{p|Kyurem}}, which Team Plasma has captured. The player must defeat Team Plasma including its new leader [[Ghetsis]] to free {{p|Kyurem}}. Ghetsis will combine the power of Kyurem with the power of the [[tao trio|legendary dragon]] befriended by [[N|his son]] two years earlier and force Kyurem to [[form differences#Kyurem|fuse]] with {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|B2}} or {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|W2}}. Only once Kyurem is safe and Team Plasma has been disbanded, can the player continue his or her journey to the Pokémon League.

After the main plot of the game has been completed, many inaccessible parts of Unova, including the [[Skyarrow Bridge]], will be unlocked. Further Pokémon not native to Unova will be available, and the legendary Pokémon {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|B2}}/{{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|W2}} and {{p|Kyurem}} will reveal themselves to the player. When they are caught, the player will be able to fuse the Pokémon and change Kyurem's form at will.

==Blurb==
Two powers combine...A new legend arises! Set off on a new Pokémon adventure to save the Unova region! You and your Pokémon can accomplish anything together!

==Changes from Pokémon Black & White==
===Aesthetic changes===
* The opening is drastically different from the one in Black and White, now featuring the new [[Nate (game)|game]] [[Rosa (game)|characters]], the [[Tao trio]] and the [[Swords of Justice]]. Also, the title screen shows either Black Kyurem or White Kyurem, depending on the version.
* The bar that shows a Pokémon's level, experience points, and HP has been redesigned. It is black in Black 2 and white in White 2.
* The area eyecatch has also been redesigned and shows the location in the top left of the screen and season in the bottom right. It is black in Black 2 and white in White 2.
* New locations such as [[Aspertia City]], [[Virbank City]], [[Floccesy Town]], [[Lentimas Town]] and [[Humilau City]] have been added to the game.
* New characters are introduced, such as [[Hugh]], [[Colress]], [[Roxie]], [[Marlon]] and [[Benga]].
* [[Cheren]], [[Bianca]], [[Elesa]], [[Ghetsis]] and [[Iris]] all receive redesigns.
* All Unova Gyms receive redesigns, including newly remixed music in all but the [[Aspertia Gym]].
* Most of the Black and White music has been slightly remixed, in addition to the Gym Leader and Champion music from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.
* There have been several changes made to existing locations, such as [[Driftveil City]] and [[Nimbasa City]].
* Every Trainer has their own fully animated sprite. They have more frames, allowing for smoother animations.
* Several attacks have received new battle animations.
* The battle menu has been redesigned.
* The [[C-Gear]] has been redesigned.
* The [[Unova Pokédex]] has been expanded tremendously to accommodate older Pokémon.
** It also receives a slight aesthetic change, now having a red background instead of green.
** The Pokédex also receives an upgrade in the form of the [[Habitat List]]. It consists of a list of all visited places, with the Pokémon found there listed (if they have been seen). The player will sometimes receive prizes from certain NPCs {{tt|when a certain area is filled|This is indicated by a full Poké Ball if all of the Pokemon found there have been captured. An area gets a semi-full Poké Ball when all the Pokémon found in that area have at least been seen.}}.
* All returning Gym Leaders and Champions receive new sprites. This also applies for the overworld sprites.
* {{rt|4|Unova}} has changed drastically and also differs between Black 2 and White 2.
* {{un|Victory Road}} changed drastically from [[Victory Road (Black and White)|Black and White]] to [[Victory Road (Black 2 and White 2)|Black 2 and White 2]] as well and differs in appearance between Black 2 and White 2. It has also changed location.
* [[Challenger's Cave]]'s entrance collapsed, while {{rt|10|Unova}} was blocked off due to a landslide on Victory Road, making both areas inaccessible.
* In place of [[Cold Storage]], there is now the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
* Places marked on the map with green dots in Black and White are now marked with green squares. Also, now when they are tapped they become red (though they still cannot be flown to). This was only true of [[Liberty Garden]] in Black and White.
* During battles in tall grass, there are now visible tufts of grass around the platform, with varying colors depending on the season.
* Following the battle at [[Opelucid Gym]], [[Team Plasma]] will freeze [[Opelucid City]] (along with a portion of the neighboring routes, {{rt|9|Unova}} and {{rt|11|Unova}}), which will last until after the player has defeated the Elite Four.
* The weather icons have been redesigned and are smaller.

===Storyline changes===
{{spoilers}}
* The player no longer starts in [[Nuvema Town]], instead starting in [[Aspertia City]].
* Instead of the usual 5 [[Poké Ball]]s, the player is given 10 at the start of his or her journey.
* [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Cilan]], [[Lenora]] and [[Brycen]] are replaced by [[Cheren]], [[Roxie]] and [[Marlon]] as Gym Leaders.
* Bianca gives the player a [[Starter Pokémon]].
* A new [[Team Plasma]] has formed, and is run by [[Ghetsis]].
* [[Colress]], a Team Plasma member, is battled frequently throughout the story.
* [[Rood]], [[Zinzolin]] and the [[Shadow Triad]] are battled as part of the story.
* The Gym Leader order has changed to Cheren, Roxie, Burgh, Elesa, Clay, Skyla, Drayden, Marlon.
* Iris is the new Champion of Unova.
* Ghetsis returns and plans to freeze Unova with Kyurem.
* N returns to Unova with either Zekrom{{sup/5|B2}} or Reshiram{{sup/5|W2}}, who is then fused with Kyurem to form either Black Kyurem{{sup/5|B2}} or White Kyurem{{sup/5|W2}}.
* Unlike [[Pokémon Black and White]], neither the version mascots Black Kyurem{{sup/5|B2}} or White Kyurem{{sup/5|W2}} can be caught within the story, but can be obtained post-game by following certain requirements.
* {{p|Cobalion}} and {{p|Virizion}} interact with the player, making it possible to catch them during the storyline, although it is possible to catch all three Pokémon including {{p|Terrakion}}.
* Several tag battles take place throughout the game: one with the other player character, two with Cheren, four with Hugh, one with Bianca, and a daily tag battle with one of either Chili, Cress, or Cilan against the other two brothers.
* A new attraction known as the [[Pokémon World Tournament]] opens up in Driftveil City, where the player battles Gym Leaders and Champions from all five regions, among others.
* Another new attraction introduced is the [[Pokéstar Studios]], located in Virbank City, where the player takes part in many different movies. Brycen and [[Sabrina]] appear here.
* Lenora revives the player's Fossils.
* Several new key items exclusive to Black and White 2 are introduced.
* During the post-game, the player may find [[N]] at his castle and on the first visit, battles his Zekrom{{sup/5|B2}} or Reshiram{{sup/5|W2}}, who is free for capture after defeating N. Subsequent battles can be done once a season and feature N using a team of Pokémon centered around that season.
* Several areas that were previously limited to the post-game of Black and White are now part of the main story. In contrast, some of the areas that were formerly part of the main story are now limited to the post-game.

===Gameplay changes===
* The new [[Unova Link]] is introduced, which makes way for new features.
** [[Challenge Mode]] and [[Easy Mode]] are introduced, which raise and lower the strength of opposing Trainers respectively.
** A new feature called the [[Memory Link]] is introduced, which reveals flashbacks from the NPCs that shed light on events that happened between Black and White and Black 2 and White 2.
* Many TMs and all but {{m|Dive|one}} HM are received in different locations.
* The Xtransceiver adds two new mini-games called Balloon Catch, where the player needs to catch balloons of their face or an NPC's, and Balloon Smash, where the player needs to inflate the balloons as large as possible without bursting them.
* The [[Move Tutor]]s are back, and as with {{g|Platinum}}, they teach most of the moves that were in that game for [[Shard]]s, but here they all ask for shards of a specific color. They also teach many moves that lost their [[TM]] status, such as {{m|Dark Pulse}}, {{m|Roost}} and {{m|Stealth Rock}}.
* If the player has used a [[Repel]], after its effect wears off, and if the player has more Repels in their Bag, they will be asked if they would like to use another immediately without having to go into the menu.
* A number of legendaries from Hoenn and Sinnoh (excluding the [[Weather trio]] and [[Creation trio]]) can be found in the post-game.
* {{p|Zorua}}, {{p|Zoroark}} and {{TM|95|Snarl}}, which were previously accessible through Nintendo events only, can now be found within the game without any special requirements.
* The [[Forces of Nature]] are notably the only [[Unova]] regional Pokémon absent from either game and must be obtained through the [[Pokémon Dream Radar]] and then transferred or alternatively they can be traded from {{2v2|Black|White}}. The Dream Radar is also necessary to obtain their new [[Form differences#Forces of Nature|forms]].
* Breeding was changed—the {{evostone|Everstone}} now always passes down Nature (if both parents hold Everstone, one parent's Nature is randomly picked).
* All {{tc|Pokémon Breeder}}s will now [[rematch|challenge the player again]] every time the player crosses their line of sight after exiting and re-entering the areas in which they are found.
* [[Hidden Grotto]]es are introduced and scattered all over Unova, giving access to many items and Pokémon with their Hidden Abilities, many of which were previously unobtainable.

==Features==
===Pokémon World Tournament===
{{main|Pokémon World Tournament}}

A new facility featured in Black 2 and White 2 is the Pokémon World Tournament, where the player is able to battle every [[Gym Leader]] and {{pkmn|Champion}} (except [[Koga]] and [[Iris]]) from the main series games in various types of battles.

===Pokéstar Studios===
{{main|Pokéstar Studios}}

Pokéstar Studios is a new feature in the games that allows the player to take part in making films involving Pokémon. The player chooses from various scenarios and acts them out.

===Seasons===
{{main|Seasons}}

Seasons once again return to the games. In addition to covering the entire screen upon starting the games, a text box appears at the bottom of the screen presenting the current season every time a new area is entered.

===Sprite animations===
Just like in {{game|Black and White|s}}, the Pokémon sprites are fully animated and move throughout battles. However, unlike Black and White, every Trainer in the game has battle animations, as well as more frames which allow for smoother animations.

The game also introduces new entry sprite animations for Pokémon, much as if it were a [[Shiny Pokémon]].

* [[N's Pokémon]], which are obtainable through [[Memory Link]], (with the exception of N's {{p|Zorua}}, who is obtainable during the main plot) have a green/yellow diamond shine, along with their own sound.
* Also, in the [[Pokéstar Studios]], when a player successfully completes a movie with their Pokémon in an unusual matter by deviating from the script, their Pokémon will become a star and during battles, when the Pokémon is summoned, a star will bounce upwards and then back downwards. This is the only entry animation that can be added manually by the player.

===Gyms===
Within the two years separating Black 2 and White 2 from their predecessors, some of the past [[Gym Leader]]s have passed on their positions to others or retired from the [[Unova League]]. The eight Gym Leaders of Unova are now: [[Cheren]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Roxie]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Burgh]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Elesa]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Clay]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Skyla]] ({{t|Flying}}), [[Drayden]] ({{t|Dragon}}) and [[Marlon]] ({{t|Water}}).

===Elite Four and Champion===
Like {{2v2|Black|White}}, the [[Elite Four]] can be battled in any order; after battling all four, a path to the {{pkmn|Champion}} is unlocked. The Elite Four members are [[Shauntal]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Grimsley]] ({{t|Dark}}), [[Caitlin]] ({{t|Psychic}}), and [[Marshal]] ({{t|Fighting}}). The new Champion is [[Iris]].

==Pokémon==
Each game features a Pokédex of {{tt|301|numbered from 0 to 300}} different Pokémon species, many of which are from previous [[generation]]s such as {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Marill}}.

===[[Version-exclusive Pokémon]]===
{| style="margin:auto"
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{black 2 color}}; border:5px solid #{{black 2 color light}}"
|-
! {{color|FFF|Black 2}}
|-
|
{| border="1" style="background:white; border:1px solid #{{black 2 color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentrytm|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|240|Magby|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|311|Plusle|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|325|Spoink|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|326|Grumpig|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|379|Registeel|1|Steel|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|427|Buneary|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|428|Lopunny|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|443|Gible|2|Dragon|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|444|Gabite|2|Dragon|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|445|Garchomp|2|Dragon|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|438|Bonsly|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|467|Magmortar|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|574|Gothita|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|575|Gothorita|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|576|Gothitelle|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|629|Vullaby|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|630|Mandibuzz|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|644|Zekrom|2|Dragon|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|646|Kyurem|2|Dragon|Ice||Black}}
|}
|}
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{white 2 color}}; border:5px solid #{{white 2 color light}}"
|-
! White 2
|-
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{| border="1" style="background:white; border:1px solid #{{white 2 color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentrytm|010|Caterpie|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|011|Metapod|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|239|Elekid|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|300|Skitty|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|301|Delcatty|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|312|Minun|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|322|Numel|2|Fire|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|323|Camerupt|2|Fire|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|378|Regice|1|Ice|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|439|Mime Jr.|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|466|Electivire|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|577|Solosis|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|578|Duosion|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|579|Reuniclus|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|627|Rufflet|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|628|Braviary|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|646|Kyurem|2|Dragon|Ice||White}}
|}
|}
|}
* Normally unavailable, Regice and Registeel can be caught in Black 2 and White 2, respectively, after trading respective keys from game which has unlocked them. Initially, Regice's key is unlocked in White 2, and Registeel's in Black 2.

==Compatibility==
Black 2 and White 2 can connect with the [[Pokémon Dream Radar]], which transfers Pokémon found to the player's game. The [[Pokémon Global Link]] has also been updated to make way for the release of Black 2 and White 2. The games are compatible with Black and White, much as {{v2|Platinum}} is to {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. The games can connect as with games of the same generation, and they operate on the same {{DL|Global Terminal|Global Trade Station}} server. Pokémon from [[Generation IV]] games (Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver) can be transferred to these games using the [[Poké Transfer]].

However, they are not entirely compatible with Pokémon Black and White as the updated Black 2 and White 2 [[Entralink]] no longer features the ability to travel into another player's "world" and thus Pass Powers are instead earned through minigames that take place in the hubworld. Likewise, a player in Black or White cannot connect with a Black 2 or White 2 via the Entralink system.

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Pokémon Black 2 logo JP.png|Japanese Black 2 logo
File:Pokémon White 2 logo JP.png|Japanese White 2 logo
File:Pokémon Black 2 logo EN.png|English Black 2 logo
File:Pokémon White 2 logo EN.png|English White 2 logo
</gallery>

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon Black & White Super Music Collection}}
The soundtrack contains all of the background music used in Pokémon Black and White (the basis for a portion of the music in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2), composed by [[Shota Kageyama]], [[Junichi Masuda]], [[Hitomi Satō]], [[Gō Ichinose]], [[Morikazu Aoki]], Minako Adachi, and [[Satoshi Nohara]]. The music is arranged by Shota Kageyama, Hitomi Satō, Gō Ichinose, and Minako Adachi.

{{main|Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 Super Music Complete}}
The soundtrack contains all of the background music from the games (on Discs 1-3, with the exception of the music played within [[Hidden Grotto]]es), composed by [[Hitomi Satō]], [[Gō Ichinose]], [[Junichi Masuda]], [[Shota Kageyama]], Teruo Taniguchi, [[Satoshi Nohara]], Minako Adachi, and [[Morikazu Aoki]]. The music is arranged by Hitomi Satō and Gō Ichinose, except for less than a tenth of the tracks, which are mostly short sound effects. Notably, Disc 4 of the soundtrack also provides an official release for several tracks exclusive to {{game|Emerald}} and {{game|Platinum}}.

==Beta elements==
{{main|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 beta}}

==Trivia==
* Other than games with a simultaneous worldwide release, the localization period for these games was the shortest worldwide of the [[Version|main series]], having lasted about three and a half months for the majority of the translated versions, with 106 days for North America, 110 for Australia, 111 for Europe and 138 for South Korea.
* They are the only main series Pokémon games to officially be a direct sequel to a pair of games from the same generation.
** {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were initially advertised to be direct, numbered sequels to [[Generation I]], originally dubbed "Pocket Monsters 2". This was changed later, also making Black 2 and White 2 the only main series games with a number in their title.
* They are the only games to have anything after the word "Version" in their titles.
* They are the only main series games in which the player's [[hometown]] is a city rather than a town.
* They are the only paired versions to have {{p|Kyurem|the same Pokémon}} on both versions, with the only difference being its [[Form differences#Kyurem|form]].
* They are the only main series games in which the [[Pokémon Day Care]] is inaccessible before entering the [[Hall of Fame]].
* They are the only main series games in which the version mascot cannot be obtained without [[trade|trading]] before entering the Hall of Fame.
** Also, these are the first main series games in which a legendary Pokémon cannot be caught during the first battle against it.
* Players who pre-ordered the games from GameStop received a "Preview Guide" which hints at the new features and storyline, as well as explaining the {{Trading Card Game}}. It also includes parts of the animated trailer in a comic book-style format. The guide was released online in the UK.
* These are the only games in which each Gym has different music from the others. [[Aspertia Gym]] uses the normal Gym theme (probably due to the fact that it is a {{type|Normal}} Gym), while other Gyms use remixed versions, which are influenced by the type used and the Gym Leader's secondary occupation.
* [[Koga]] is the only current or former Gym Leader who is not presented in these games.
* The majority of moves with changed animations have a [[Power|base power]] of 100 or higher.
* These are the first Pokémon games with a specific point at which the player is forced to save their game in the main story before entering the Hall of Fame. In this case, the player must save after creating their first movie at [[Pokéstar Studios]].
* Black 2 and White 2 were the final main series games released for the [[Nintendo DS]] system and its redesigned models, the [[Nintendo DS Lite]], the [[Nintendo DSi]] and the [[Nintendo DSi XL]].
* While the opening sequence is mostly the same in both games, there are few differences. Black 2 has Black Kyurem black silhouette on dark screen with fog, while White 2 has White Kyurem's white silhouette on bright screen with fog, after which the yellow crest on Kyurem's head glows and game's respective logo appears. Later, during the part before {{p|Zekrom}}, there is blue light in upper left corner in Black 2 and red light in lower right corner in White 2.
* Black 2 and White 2 are the first main series Pokémon games to have a sort of achievement system, via the [[Medal Box]].

==Reception==
Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} gave Pokémon Black and White Versions 2 a score of 36 out of 40, which is lower than [[Pokémon Black and White Versions#Reception|its perfectly-scoring predecessors]].

According to Famitsu and Yahoo Japan, the game sold 1,618,621 copies during its first weekend on sale, making it the third best selling DS game of all time.<ref>http://www.famitsu.com/news/201206/26016963.html</ref><ref>http://dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/fc/entertainment/nintendo_ds/?1340702028</ref> In the fiscal year of their release, they sold 7.81 million units.<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130424e.pdf Consolidated Results for the Years Ended March 31, 2012 and 2013]</ref>

IGN rated this game an "Amazing" 9.6/10<ref>http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/04/pokemon-white-version-2-review</ref> and called it more "than just a slightly expanded repackaging of the latest generation's core titles (a la Pokémon Yellow, Emerald or Platinum)" and that it features a "stunning amount of fresh content" over {{game|Black and White|s}} which received a 9/10 from the site.<ref>http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/03/05/pokemon-white-review</ref>

==In other languages==
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|fr_ca=Pokémon Version Noire 2 et Version Blanche 2 Pokémon Black Version 2 et White Version 2{{tt|*|These names are used for English versions packaged with French manuals, etc.}}<ref>[http://www.pocketmonsters.net/ib/threads/3183 Images of B2W2 pamphlets] (retrieved October 10, 2012)</ref>
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|it=Pokémon Versione Nera 2 e Versione Bianca 2
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|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Negra 2 y Edición Blanca 2}}

==See also==
* {{Appendix|Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough}}

==References==
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Talk:Snowpoint City

2013-11-30T23:37:01Z

Pringles: concerning diamond dust...

What're the other predetermined days for special weather (if there's something else in different areas)? [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well....I know today, and also April 22nd 2007 had Diamond Dust.....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::I once got rain on Route 213 for a day. I wonder if that's something special. And I wonder if it's predetermined for a specific day of a specific month of a specific year, or if EVERY January 12 this happens... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I'd like to know, is there a list of all the trendy sayings? [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 01:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

==April 22==
How does anyone know that Diamond Dust occurred on April 22, 2007? Who could have possibly made it here in one day.--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 05:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:Simple. You change the date on the DS.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Diamond dust battle effect ==

Anyone know a way to force a battle in an area? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== Northernmost ==

It says Snowport city is the most city, however this map is shows Shino is in the south. [http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/] [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 10:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
: Well they're Obviously wrong, I follow the Japan region map to make me satisfied about the location of the regions.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 10:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::You do realize that serebii themselves stated that "Please note that the positioning of the [[Country|{{tt|regions|Should be countries}}]] is not official and was manipulated for space reasons"? Serebii's not passing off that map as official. Odds are you can't go east-southeast from the [[Safra Sea]] in the country of [[Fiore]] to reach the [[Capture Arena]] in the country of [[Almia]]...{{unsigned|Shiningpikablu252}}
:::Don't believe the placement of the regions in Merrick's map. He did such placement just to make it fit with the map's size but it has NOTHING to do with official placement of the regions. In other words, never trust Merrick. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::::Sorry just trying to help [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 15:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==Trendy Sayings==

I've yet to find a full list of these anywhere, and seeing as you get them in this town...I figured it'd be a great addition to Bulbapedia. :) I can and will definitely help listing them, but I'd rather not do any extensive page editing on Wii. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 13:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:I got "CONDUCTIVITY" as mine for today; are they all 1 word/phrase things you can pull out of the text input thingies other NPCs use I assume? Do they have any ingame effect (like correlate to swarm pokemon/ect?)[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 04:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::See [[trendy phrase]]. This is linked within the article, I think. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== In-Game Trade? ==

Hey, in the article it says "In a house south of the Pokémon Center, a girl will trade a Haunter holding an Everstone for a Medicham." The only thing south of the pokémon center is the man with the ship... [[User:Kuma|Kuma]]
:It's really in the north-westernmost house. Fixed now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== More diamond dust ==

In the uk game at least, there is diamond dust today on 27/02/10--[[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 19:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:No diamond dust in my JP Pearl. But as for anniversaries today, that would be the release of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|these little guys here]]... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::There isn't dust for the US DP, but there is for Platinum today. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

::Ok, thanks, I wondered what the new theme was for XD --[[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 21:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I've got diamond dust on my US Platinum today (April 30th). [[User:Anaphysik|Anaphysik]] 04:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== A question... ==

In the section for Diamond Dust, it says, "It is purely aesthetic, since it only occurs within the city where no battles are possible." However, not only can you battle in the gym, you can also apparently battle "Idol Grace" on Saturdays. Is something invalid, or is there some rewording to be done? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:37, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Snowpoint City

2013-11-30T23:34:49Z

Pringles: /* In-game trade */ rewording a bit

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|jptrans=Kissaki City
|image=Snowpoint City DP.png
|slogan=City of Snow
|region=Sinnoh
|west=Acuity Lakefront
|mapdesc=A winter wonderland of a city where stout trees and buildings are blanketed in thick snow. The Gym is at the heart of the city. To the north is the Snowpoint Temple.
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|gymno=7
|leader=Candice
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|badge=Icicle
|gymtype=Ice
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'''Snowpoint City''' (Japanese: '''キッサキシティ''' ''Kissaki City'') is a snow-covered city located at the far north of [[Sinnoh]], where snow blows down from the top of [[Mt. Coronet]] causing low temperatures. Snowpoint City and the three routes that lead to it ({{rt|216|Sinnoh}}, {{rt|217|Sinnoh}} and [[Acuity Lakefront]]) are also completely covered in snow. To the northeast of Route 217, [[Lake Acuity]] can be found. A cave, which houses {{p|Uxie}}, is located in the middle of Lake Acuity. Given the snow which affects every battle on the two routes leading to the city, as well as the fact that to get to Route 216 from the rest of Sinnoh one must pass through [[Mt. Coronet]], the most convenient way to get to the city is to {{m|Fly}}. There is a port here in which the player can access the [[Fight Area]], but only after getting the [[National Pokédex]]. Its [[Snowpoint Temple|temple]] is home to the legendary Pokémon {{p|Regigigas}}. There is also a [[Move Tutor]] in Snowpoint in {{game3|Platinum|Pokémon Platinum}}.

==Places of interest==
===Snowpoint Temple===
{{main|Snowpoint Temple}}
[[File:Snowpoint Temple DPPt.png|thumb|200px|left|The Snowpoint Temple]]
Although Snowpoint City is not home to much, a noticeable landmark in the area is [[Snowpoint Temple]], which can only be accessed after the Sinnoh [[Elite Four]] have been beaten and the [[National Pokédex]] has been obtained. The temple contains five floors, with odd bits of slippery ice. At the very bottom of the temple lies a dormant Regigigas. To awaken this legendary Pokémon, the player must bring all three of the [[legendary golems]] along with them, which are all only available in the [[Generation III]] games. Through an event Regigigas, the legendary golems can also be obtained in {{v2|Platinum}} and will activate the in-game Regigigas.

Because of the location of the temple within a city, Regigigas is only the fifth legendary Pokémon that can be caught within city limits, the other four being {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Suicune}} in {{ci|Ecruteak}}'s [[Bell Tower]] during Generations {{Gen|II}} and {{Gen|IV}} and {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} in [[Hoenn]]'s [[Cave of Origin]].

===Northeast house===
Snowpoint's north-easternmost house is home to the place where {{DL|Trendy phrase|Generation IV|trendy phrases}} are obtained. Every day, players can go to the farthest house in the northeast and receive a new trendy phrase. A trendy phrase is an additional phrase which can be used in interviews with [[non-player character]]s. It appears in the "Tough Words" category. There are thirty-two different possibilities, all obtainable from an elderly man in the northeasternmost house in the city. Only one may be obtained daily, and receiving a new trendy phrase will not alter any {{cat|game mechanics}}. They typically refer to {{wp|science}}, {{wp|business}} and {{wp|the arts}}.

In Pokémon Platinum, a Move Tutor may also be found here.

===In-game trade===
In the north-westernmost house, a girl will [[list of in-game trades|trade]] a {{p|Haunter}} holding an {{evostone|Everstone}} (which prevents it from evolving into {{p|Gengar}}) for a {{p|Medicham}}. The Haunter is nicknamed "Gaspar" and the OT is "Mindy". The Haunter's ID number is 19248.

===Diamond dust===
[[File:Diamond Dust Platinum.gif|thumb|200px|right|Diamond dust in Platinum]]
On January 10, 2008, [[Junichi Masuda]] posted a blog entry urging players to play their Diamond or Pearl on January 12. On that day, the same day as Masuda's birthday, a [[Weather conditions|weather effect]] called {{wp|diamond dust}} occurred in Snowpoint City, replacing the usual snow. It resembles glitter in the air. It is purely aesthetic, since it only occurs within the city where no battles are possible. It has been determined that other special weather conditions such as thunderstorms happen on predetermined days throughout the year. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, diamond dust can be seen in [[Mt. Silver]].

Here are a list of confirmed dates that Diamond Dust can be seen in Snowpoint City: 
January 12 (Developer's Birthday) 
February 29 (Leap Year) 
March 15 (Ides of March) 
April 22 (Anniversary of US Release) 
May 1 (May Day/International Workers' Day/Labour Day) 
July 27 (Anniversary of European Release) 
September 20 (Announcement of Platinum) 
October 30  

===Snowpoint Gym===
{{main|Snowpoint Gym}}
The '''Snowpoint Gym''' is the official [[Gym]] of Snowpoint City. It is based on {{type|Ice}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Candice]]. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat her receive the {{Badge|Icicle}}. The Snowpoint City Gym is a Gym consisting of a three-tier ice rink with slides connecting the various tiers and snowballs blocking progress through the Gym. To reach the Gym Leader, Trainers have to slide around the Gym and destroy the balls of snow blocking the way. For defeating [[Candice]], Trainers receive the {{Badge|Icicle}}, {{TM|72|Avalanche}}, and the ability to use {{m|Rock Climb}} outside of battle.

==Demographics==
===Pokémon Diamond Pearl and Platinum===
In {{game|Diamond}}, {{game|Pearl}}, and {{game|Platinum}} the population of Snowpoint City is 31. This is very noteworthy considering its northern location and isolation from other cities in Sinnoh.

==Poké Mart==
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==Items==
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{{Itemlist|Everstone|Held by {{p|Haunter|Gaspar}}|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes}}
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==Pokémon==
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{{Catch/entry4|093|Haunter|yes|yes|yes|Trade|The same as the Traded Pokémon|tradenum=308|tradename=Medicham|all=One|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison}}
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==Trainers==
'''Saturday'''
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==In the anime==
[[File:Snowpoint City anime.png|thumb|210px|Snowpoint City in the anime]]
[[File:Snowpoint City Trainer School.png|thumb|210px|right|Snowpoint Trainers' School]]
Snowpoint City was mentioned early on in the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It is the hometown of {{an|Dawn}}'s rival [[Zoey]], and {{an|May}} is known to have been there: her {{TP|May|Glaceon}} evolved in front of [[Ice Rock|a rock]] near the city. Like most cities in the anime, it is portrayed as larger than shown in the games.

[[Ash Ketchum]] and {{ashfr}} arrived in Snowpoint City in ''[[DP126|Classroom Training!]]'', where Ash intended to challenge Gym Leader Candice. Before their battle, Ash spent some time at the Snowpoint Trainers' School, where Candice teaches.

At the same time that Ash is in Snowpoint, his rival [[Paul]] is also there. Like Ash, he planned to challenge Candice for the Icicle Badge. [[Pyramid King Brandon]], of the {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}, was also in Snowpoint at this time. He battles Paul in preparation for the Gym battle, but Paul is easily overcome by [[Brandon's Regis]].

[[DP129|After this battle]], it is discovered that [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] has broken into [[Snowpoint Temple]] in an attempt to steal the {{p|Regigigas}} that lives there. The temple is nearly destroyed in the battle. After defeating J, Brandon promises to rebuild the temple and leave his three golems behind as protectors.

==Trivia==
* Snowpoint's Japanese motto is {{tt|こおりきらめくゆきのまち|The city of snow where ice glitters}}.
* Snowpoint is geographically the northernmost city in the known [[Pokémon world]].
** It is also home to the northernmost point of access in the games - the entrance of Snowpoint Temple is very slightly north of the northernmost point that can be accessed in the [[Flower Paradise]].
* Snowpoint City is one of only two cities or towns that is connected to another location that does not connect directly to a route; before reaching a route one must pass through [[Acuity Lakefront]] first. The other is [[Lentimas Town]] in [[Unova]].
* Because of the snow, Snowpoint is one of two locations where bicycles cannot be ridden, though the only one in Sinnoh. The other is [[Pacifidlog Town]] in [[Hoenn]].
* Snowpoint is the hometown of {{an|Dawn}}'s rival, [[Zoey]].
* Snowpoint is similar to [[Mahogany Town]] in [[Johto]] and [[Icirrus City]] in [[Unova]]. All three have the 7th Gym to their regions which are both {{t|Ice}} type. Both are also near a lake (Snowpoint is near Lake Acuity, whereas Mahogany Town is near the Lake of Rage, and Icirrus City has several lakes surrounding the city.) All places are also near a location that has something to do with snow, hail, or ice (Snowpoint is near the Acuity Lakefront, where it's always snowing; Mahogany Town is near the Ice Path; Icirrus City experiences snowfalls in the winter time.)
* The traversable area of Snowpoint City is shaped like a snowflake when viewed from above.
** This snowflake, however, has eight points. Because of the properties of water molecules, snowflakes only ever have 6 points or sides.

==Name origin==
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|- style="text-align:center"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| キッサキシティ ''Kissaki City''
| 切っ先 (''kissaki'') is the name of the tip of a katana.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Snowpoint City
| From ''snow'' and ''point'' (as the northernmost point of Sinnoh, possibly referencing ''kissaki'').
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Frimapic
| From ''frimas'', sleet, and ''pic'', summit of a mountain.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Blizzach
| From ''Blizzard'' and the suffix ''-ach'' (near a river).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Nevepoli
| From ''neve'', snow, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Puntaneva
| From ''punta'', tip, and ''nieve'', snow.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 선단시티 ''Seondan City''
| 선단 (''seondan'') means ''fleet'' or ''vertical hem''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan}})
| 切鋒市 ''Qiēfēng Shì''
| Possibly from 切っ先 ''kissaki'' and 鋒 ''hokosaki''. 切鋒 can either mean "slicing {{tt|tip|of a sword}}" or "cutting {{tt|edge|of a blade}}". Also rhymes with 雪峰 ''xuěfēng'' (snowy peak).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 切鋒市 Chaifung Si
| Same as Mandarin name.
|}

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Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub/Archive 1

2013-11-30T23:33:39Z

Pringles:

== Protection ==
Shouldn't this be protected to prevent vandelism much like the main page is? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 13:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
: It is protected.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 20:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::I know it is now, it wasn't when I post the message above. And I stayed up to date on status of the page and thus noticed when it was semi-protected then fully protected. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== Tentacool ==

I need help changing one of the type effects of Tentacool over to somewhere else. I am a new member so I don't know how to do all these changes so if someone can help that will be nice.

what needs to be changed is electric needs to be taken out of tentacool's weakness column and put in the regular effect column. if someone can tell me how to do that then that will be nice thanks again.
([[User:Roadmaster84|Roadmaster84]] 23:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC))
:Tentacool is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Water is weak to Electric and Poison is neutral to Electric. Therefore Tentacool is weak to Electric moves and the existing chart is correct. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

== Page Like "Incomplete" for "Bad Picture"? ==

Is there a section for Bad Picture just like there is for [[:Category:Articles needing more information|Incomplete]]? I can't find it anywhere! --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Articles needing better pictures|You mean like this?]] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Cool! Where did you find that link? If it is really hidden and out of the way, I think it should be in the box with the Machop. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know what machop you're talking about, but it's in the categories on any page that has that template. In particular, I found it [[Brawly|here]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::::The Machop on the Editor's Hub page! There are three links to get you started improving articles. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 01:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, haha, I see. I rarely look at the Editor Hub. Alright, I added it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

== Recycle restoring Air Balloon ==

The page [[Recycle]] doesn't mention anything about being able/unable to restore a popped Air Balloon. Shouldn't that be changed? [[User:PC-Reviver|PC-Reviver]] 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:No, because a popped Air Balloon is an item that's been consumed, and thus falls under the category of consumed items. - ''signed comment from [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito is Snazzy~p]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|contribs]])'' 20:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

== how do i get permission to make pages ==

hi im new and wondering how to make pages [[User:Xspeedx|Xspeedx]] 18:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:You need to make a (top secret) number of edits to the mainspace (i.e. articles) and have had your account for a short (also top secret) length of time. This is done so that you get a chance +to learn our rules and styles before trying to build a page on your own. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== I need advice ==

Hi, I saw the Anville town Article and saw the section at the top said you can get to anvillle town using the Anville town line in the battle subway. I was thinking that changing it to the Brown line because it's colour is brown? I'm not sure if i should but please tell me if i'm right! [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be more precise to change it the brown line instead of just saying "Anville line". I don't think there's any harm in changing it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok Thanks :) [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 06:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I need advice too. I know of a glitch that is fairly well-known, yet this wiki doesn't have a page for it. I notice that most glitches have their own pages as well as appearing on the List of Glitches section of the Glitch page. However, I don't have permission to make pages yet. Should I just add this glitch to the List of Glitches and hope someone else makes a page for it, or should I request that a page for it be made, or what? [[User:HappyGasGames|HappyGasGames]] ([[User talk:HappyGasGames|talk]]) 17:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you have a question on a topic that's glitch related, you should talk to {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}. He's the leader of Project:Glichdex and would probably have the answers you're looking for. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Romanization ==
I'm not entirely fond of how Bulbapedia handles their Japanese names for things, primarily how we use the trademarked name and completely ignore the rōmaji. Yes, I think it's important to have the trademarked Japanese names, but I think it's also equally important to have the bare rōmaji, too. I think it would be effective to use the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template around the Japanese text itself to show the rōmaji alongside the trademarked name. For example, it would look like this: {{tt|ラルトス|Rarutosu}} ''Ralts'' or {{tt|カメックス|Kamekkusu}} ''Kamex''. Would anyone object to me going around and doing this? [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 23:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:[[List of Japanese Pokémon names]]. This does that. I personally do not like the idea for esthetic reasons. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, but it applies to more than just Pokémon themselves. Many pages unrelated to Pokémon suffer the same ([[Snag Machine]], [[N]], etc.). And I disagree; I don't think it's too much of an eyesore, and it's hardly invasive. [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 03:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 Soundtrack ==
Do we need a page for the BW2 soundtrack "Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 Super Music Complete"? I have the CD here and I figured I might as well contribute. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Nobody? No. Okay, you can remove it if you don't like it. It was fun to do anyway. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbawiki Festive Frontier? ==

"As outlined on Bulbagarden forums, Bulbapedia is done hosting its second annual Christmas Improvement Drive. The Festive Frontier challenge is now over."

Wasn't the Festive Frontier challenge from last year or was it a few months ago? (Just curious since it is currently up on the page.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

== Update? ==

Staff of PokéPark 2 is already made. Don't you think we should take it off the Needed articles section? [[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 00:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

== Edits ==

How many Edits do I need to do/have to add New Articles?
[[User:Lskitto|Lskitto]] ([[User talk:Lskitto|talk]]) 04:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's an secret amount of edits and a secret amount of time that is only known to staff. Keep editing, and you'll eventually be able to start articles. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==
How do you get a screenshot of an entire city/route/area in the video games?
[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Linking Pages ==

When I put in a link to another page it always comes out as Template:whatever-the-article-name-is and I have no idea why.[[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
:<nowiki>It would be because you are using {{ and }} to link instead of [[ and ]] one links to templates the other links to pages.</nowiki> --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
oh thanks so much, it works!!! but how do I get those brackets you used they're not on my keyboard or in the character palette at the bottom of the screen I'm currently using copy and paste to get them in. [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:What keyboard layout do you have? It would be incredibly unusual for any keyboard to not have those brackets. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, they're immediately to the right of the P key, such that typing this whole row yields <code>QWERTYUIOP[]\</code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

== Kato and Kiko ==

I need help adding a trivia sentence for Kato and Kiko. I don't want to try and add a new trivia sentence and end up messing up the whole thing for their trivia. Either someone help me or ill just tell you what I want to post so you can do it yourselves:

For Kato's trivia: Kato's hairstyle resembles the horn of his pokemon, Heracross.

For Kiko's trivia: Kiko's hairstyle resembles the wings of her pokemon, Beautifly.

If you can tell me how to post it that would be excellent or if you want to post it yourself that would be just as excellent. If you end up doing it yourself don't add both on one just kato's on Kato's page and Kiko's on Kiko@'s page. I don't mind either way as long as it manages to get posted and i have some credit for it. Thanks. ([[User:RioluMaster1123|RioluMaster1123]] ([[User talk:RioluMaster1123|talk]]) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC))

==Message of the Day==

There are no more featured MotDs. That part of this page should be replaced. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see any "Message of the Day" on this page. Unless you mean the Message from the Editor, which should stay and will be updated when there is new information to put there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::I mean the featured content. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spyspotter}} ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|contribs]]) '' 01:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Protection of Pokemon X/Y related articles ==

I've been noticing that the admins on this site have been protecting almost all Pokemon X/Y related articles and not allowing normal users due to "Speculation Crackdown" till after October 12. It's kind of harsh because not all normal users registered users on this site are speculators. Some really want to help this site gather information from official sources as the game's release draws closer. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:While not all registered users will add speculation, it only takes a handful of users to wreak massive havoc across a wide spread of pages. A lot of XY articles were locked as a reaction to speculation, not as a proactive measure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation would not be good for bulbapedia's reputation, and I'm sure no-one wants that! Like [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] said, it only takes a handful of people to wreak havoc with speculations and rumours. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Article on Ash's Charizard does not need editing ==

I noticed that the article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash's_Charizard|Ash's Charizard] was in need of an English voice actor. However, after some heavy research, I found out that the voice actor is the same as the Japanese one. What do I do now? Please help, I just joined!
--[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:It could refer to Charmander and Charmeleon. They showed up in flashbacks during BW and, while I didn't watch the episode myself, it could be they spoke during the flashbacks, and had different voice actors. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
::Hi. The voice actor data for Charmander and Charmeleon was present, so it was not referring to them. Currently, the page is showing that for Charizard, the Japanese voice actor did both the Japanese AND the English roles. However, Bulbapedia has named the data as incomplete. Is there anyone I could take my concerns to? Thanks. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Charmander and Charmeleon's voice actors on the article are the 4kids actors. During the Advanced Generation the dub was passed on to DuArt. For example, look at [[Ash's Bulbasaur]]. See how it says Tara Jayne for EP010-AG133 then Michele Knotz as current? That's because of the voice actor swap. Since Charmander and Charmeleon appeared in the Best Wishes series, they would have been given new voice actors. Those are the ones that are missing. If you want, you can leave a message on {{u|Kenji-girl}}'s talk page. She's been busy lately so it might take her a while to respond. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie ==

Should we create pages for them yet? We know they are real, and this sort of thing has been done with other event pokemon like Arceus and Genesect. I have pictures which have been confirmed real that we could put in the articles too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:We do not know they are real. All we know is that other fansites have circulated rumors about them. We do not take info from other fansites. We are an encyclopedia, not a rumor mill. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think we know that they're names of potential Pokémon, due to GTS stuff, but that doesn't seem like enough for a page. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You can find them in game, GBA Temps has a wild modifier code for them. And the fact that there is already in-game proof (the GTS tests) kind of confirms it's all real. Remember that stuff had been added about previous event 'mons without knowing much about them too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For those of us who don't know, can you explain what GBA Temps is? And how wild modifier codes work? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::GBA Temps is a website that I imagine distributes cheat codes. Wild modifiers work by simply changeing the pokemon that normally appear in an area to the one specified in the cheat code, as it temporarily alters the game's code. Say, if you put an identifier of 001 in there you would find bulbasaur for example. EDIT: Wait, wrong place, it ws a different guy who made the modifier, GBA Temps made a .pkx editor that could also be used to get the pokemon in game, if anyone wants to test and see, I have a link [http://gbatemp.net/threads/pkx-editor-by-codemonkey85.356901]/--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Serebii has just confirmed the existence of Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega [[Latios]] and Mega [[Latias]] as possible event Pokémon with pictures associated. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Joe literally wrote in his news story on serebii "Do note, these are still unconfirmed." ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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It seems people have forgotten that this site is, above all else, an ''encyclopedia''. I've seen some wikis have speculative articles and then have some tag at the top of the page saying "This is unconfirmed, yada yada yada." That's extremely unprofessional, and it makes way for a truck load of spam articles under the guise of being "unconfirmed". A good wiki, Bulbapedia included, uses the agenda of official confirmation being ''absolutely crucial''. As much as it may seem, at the current moment, that these three Pokémon and the Mega-Eons are as real as real can get, leaked information is the exact opposite of confirmed information. Even Serebii's no fool. He's not going around asserting that everything he finds is fact. As Nate even said, the words "Do note, these are still unconfirmed" are used on his site. Besides, it's god-honestly better to ''not'' have the information until it's confirmed than to have guesswork that turns out to be wrong. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:correct me if I am wrong but didn't bulbapedia treat meloetta, keldeo and genesect as real pokemon before they were officialy confirmed? It doesn't seem any different here. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::The problem is that we could still access the game data to be able to confirm it. We cannot access the game data this time around, which is why we still do not have a lot of images of the Generation VI stuff. Unless we can find data on the PGL to confirm this, we have to treat it like false info until we have proof it is true. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::In which you can use the hacks to get the pokemon to put into the PGL to prove they're real.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You cannot put Pokémon into the PGL, that was only Dream World, which only works for Generation V games. Not to mention that the Pokémon shown could be dummied out Pokémon left on the cart. We will need to wait for proof, whether it is from files on the PGL or some info from Nintendo. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::How would one get this info from the PGL? Like people got all the DW art and stuff didn't they? And also I'm quite sure they wouldn't leave dummy 'mons in the game, they would have been replaced with Bad Eggs.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Files. Every website that uses pictures needs to reference the picture in the website. Thus, most pictures are hosted in the same server as the website itself. Basically, if the images are added to the server, we just need to peek into the server's files and see what is there, which is how we got the other files. As for the other part, why are there two Vivillon patterns in the game that no one has obtained? We don't know what GF has done or will do with them. They could be available or they could be dummied out, though they still seem to exist for the moment as dummied out data. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Hmmm, perhaps they don't plan on adding the picture files until they're officially revealed. After all, I don't think they added the picture files into the PGL for Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect until they were revealed, did they?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} Back on the "dummied out content" thing, yes, there's plenty of dummied out content left in the game's code among all of the older games. Bulbapedia has pages specifically on said content. I can't say I'd be too surprised to find out that some species ended up in this genre. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 02:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:On the topic of PGL files, there are two placeholder Vivillon patterns (which are the same as the default pattern), indicating that there are likely to be 2 more Vivillon patterns (matching the leak). The Mythical Pokémon do not appear on the PGL currently. Mega Evolutions all have placeholder artworks (it's just a copy of the Pokémon's standard artwork), and currently there is no placeholder for Mega Latios or Latias. Chances are things that aren't currently there will be added at a later time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
While the chance is there that they could be fake ([http://pokejungle.net/2013/10/31/rumour-legends-leaked-by-hacking/ this page even says so]), the fact that this person was able to cause the three legendaries to appear in one of the early Routes pretty much confirms they are real. If those are Photoshopped images, they're pretty good. Additionally, seeing them on the GTS and not filtered out as gibberish also confirms that they are real. The person writing the linked blog, as well, noted that he tried to encounter Pokémon #722 (meaning these came from 719-721) and the result was a Bad Egg, meaning there is nothing programmed after 721 and that is the end of the current Pokédex.

We ought to acknowledge this information. People have tested and confirmed that the data is there. Serebii even briefly had pages for the trio (since taken down, someone put up a screenshot of the three screengrabs as an image). Nintendo just hasn't released the info because they want to leave something for future announcements and events. Since they're already in the game, other than patching to get rid of them, Nintendo can't do much now to change it (and then what will they use for later games, and who says we have to use the patch? I mean, they can't get rid of this data in the games now!). Therefore, they exist, they just haven't been announced. Pages ought to be created even if they are tagged as unconfirmed Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:If you had been paying attention, no one is immediately saying they're faked or photoshopped. But what we ''are'' saying is they may very well be dummied out content. And again, as far as a wiki is concerned, if information is not 100% confirmed, it might as well be 100% fake. Bulbapedia has a reputation to keep, and if things that end up being utter bull get articles only for us to find out the truth later, how will that make the site look? And even if they are really there, they ''can'' indeed be patched out. That's what patches do. If someone who got, say, one of these "Volcanions" ends up losing data and having their save corrupted because it was patched out, well then that's their own fault. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm paying attention. Here's the thing: if they are dummied out, that makes them notable just for that and they deserve to be recognized as deleted Pokémon. Except perhaps for MissingNo, this would be the first case of this, no? That's notable, and what would be their page as real Pokémon can then be redirected to an article on the deleted trio. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Just thought I'd also mention that if they were dummied out, it is highly unlikely they'd leave all the following data in and have it make sense- Pokedex Entries, Typing, Movesets, Graphical Data, Base Stats. Just a thought--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Exactly. There are way too many dots to connect here that there's no way this is fake. I'm 99% certain at this point that all three of them are the Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect of this generation and we will have all three released by the time of either Hoenn remakes or Z (whichever is first). I'd gamble on it if I could. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) We don't know any of that (except the graphical data) even exists. All we have are a single screenshot of each of them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::What do you want him to do, take a video of him encountering and catching them, then showing off the Dex entries? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
There's another test we could use to see if this is genuine, the guy who found them also managed to get screenshots of pixie plate arceus and Mew in the game, if the sprites match when Transporter is out we'll know that he truly hacked the game. pics on this twitter: https://twitter.com/PokmonGlobalNew [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 11:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::Replying to 0danmaster0 here, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Genesect_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1188433 linked here] is the original draft of [[Genesect (Pokémon)]] from September 18, 2010. It got several more edits that day and the following days. Do we have information on exactly when Nintendo announced Genesect? I know it wasn't released until B2/W2 were released; that very day, in fact. That's two years. I doubt they announced it two years in advance.

::My point? We were posting an article about Genesect two years ahead of time. What would be different about an article on Hoopa since it has been found in the game? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, but we had proof Genesect existed because we could hack the DS and get the data out. We still don't know these three aren't a hoax, because we still don't fully know how to hack the 3DS. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Evidently this guy does know how to hack the 3DS. That's the same thing. I could have said Genesect was a hoax back then myself because I am not a hacker. Same argument. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::The difference is that when lots of people could do it, it was clearer that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect were real because so many independent sources were backing each other up. Currently, (as far as I know,) there's only this one guy "proving" these three, so we have no idea whether he's a good hacker or just a good counterfeiter. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pumpkinking has hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source. We can't repeat or verify those results. Therefore, they get no article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I still point out the fact that the names appear on the GTS. That validates them as real Pokémon. I will admit that the images could still be shopped (some are pretty good even of those), but the Pokémon names are real. If Nintendo patches them out after this independent crusade (for lack of a better word), then the article could be about what the names of the Pokémon would have been and were changed due to a hacker. A hacker causing Nintendo to change plans is notable. So one way or another, whether now or after news comes of a new patch that removes the names (impossible on the GTS though unless they close it briefly and remove all requests), an article will exist somewhere on either the Pokémon or the schematics surrounding them being changed (even when the trio does eventually come out with similar types and the would-be names are matched up). I still see no problem with very brief and locked pieces on the three and what has been discovered, with a byline at the top saying the information is unconfirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Just thought I'd mention that we have Diancie's dex entry too. Kotaku said it, not sure if it's a reliable source though.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::''The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source.''
:::::::::That's funny. Someone earlier said that the reason the article doesn't exist is because Nintendo hasn't announced it. However, Nintendo hadn't announced Keldeo, Meloetta, or Genesect and those articles came up with "multiple independent sources".
:::::::::We now have "multiple independent sources" confirming these three new Pokémon showing up as valid in the GTS by people requesting other than themselves, which is backed up by hacked data confirming their existance and with images (though again, I prefer video). Sersbii had pages up brifly, since taken down. This is exactly the scenario we had with the Unova group, just not as many sources. Yet now the rules are different because it's more convenient to wait for Nintendo to announce it before putting pages up.
:::::::::We need to stop changing the rules in convenient ways for a situation and just report what people have found out already. Wikipedia uses references as a method of sourcing ANY information. We have several sources, even if one main one is a blog and others are forums. That's enough for me for a video game (we're not sourcing nuclear fission or anything like that). If it turns out not to be real, we correct it. That's what a Wiki does. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::You're wrong with the part about "exactly the same scenario". As already said above, the key difference is being able to replicate the results; that is, unlike with DS games, the encryption for 3DS games is still yet to be broken so data mining is outright impossible. You can't make a ROM dump out of your X or Y game card, break in, and check the Pokémon specification data structures yourself. Instead, for anything other than the names, you need to rely on and believe the authenticity of the few still images by one community member. For the same reasons, we're still missing various things like complete movesets for many Pokémon, all up-to-date data for yet unavailable Gen I to Gen V Pokémon, and so on.
::::::::::Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have any objections for adding the trio into the wiki, but it seems that for now the only thing that can be proven with certainty is that the three names exist and are recognized by GTS as valid ones. That doesn't really yield good, comprehensive pages at this moment, so I understand why they're quite unwanted for now. '''Soulweaver''' (U.S.) ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 04:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Perhaps someone should ask smea to supply the necessary information by his twitter account, after all HE is the one with this information. We know the pokemon exist, we don't officially know their appearance until we get solid proof, and everything else falls under the former category. If he could give us a video showing us exactly what he is doing, showing us the dex entries and types ''at least'', we might actually get somewhere. Same could go for the other discoveries too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I have a feeling that they won't since they have apologized for spoiling the Pokémon already. Little hope on that route. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: As for the other side of the problem, I am confused now with the issue. We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I will concede that individual articles would not have a lot of information right now (heck, [[Xerneas (Pokémon)]] and [[Yveltal (Pokémon)]] were once like that even when they were announced). However, even if staunch "it's not official" people around here don't want to allow articles, we do need at least one: an article talking about the three and how they were discovered. I point out once again that the three are not being confirmed, the data is simply being reported on.
:::::::::::::and he apologized for "spoiling the Pokémon"? Some of us want to know everything, spoiler or not. I really want to see a video of these. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:(Resetting indent) What I don't get is why some people seem to be convinced they are dummied out when they are under the same circumstances as last gen's event pokemon. If they were dunnied out, they would leave all that important info in there. {{unsigned|BigBadBatter}}
::Because the data for the two other Vivillion is present in the games, but cannot be access without a modified 3DS. This is similar to past data, like ???-type Arceus. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Good point, but remember that was only in there to stop crashes, it was never meant to exist within the "actual" game--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::My guess? Those two Vivillon will be in the next games and can be traded into these ones. How? I don't have a guess on that yet, but maybe they are east and west like the Shellos. In that case, west (North America and possibly Europe) would get one, and east (yeah, beyond Europe, Africa included perhaps) would get the other. That would be consistent with the patterns based on your 3DS region bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} I think it's about time this topic be left alone and not touched again. ''Multiple'' staff members already said these three aren't getting articles until there is enough evidence to prove that they are absolutely and indisputably real, so let's leave it at that, shall we? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 16:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think the debate is not that they aren't real. It's about whether they should have articles without Nintendo confirmation. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::Regardless, at least three staff members have all said they are not and have given a multitude of reasons. I don't even see why people are still arguing. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's leave it for now. Apparently the offical facebook page made a random post about carbink, so we may see some interesting stuff...--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::The official japanese guide confirmed that there are 721 Pokémon[http://i.imgur.com/2QH3kPl.png] [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Now this is interesting. More confirmation much?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:47, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Here's the thing. We ''do not'' report on or make articles for information that we cannot confirm ourselves. The person who discovered these did so through a method we cannot replicate. There may be three hidden legendaries, but we cannot confirm that these three are them. The difference between these and previous event legends is the fact we could view the game's code and confirm it ''ourselves''. So, to put it bluntly, until these are confirmed by Nintendo or a widespread method to view the game's code is available, these Pokemon will get ''no article''. No amount of arguing is going to change that. This discussion is serving no purpose whatsoever and should be done. If you want to discuss these rumored legendaries, you should take it the forums. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
they are real. no doubt. they are unannounced, there fore un obtainable, there fore unmarked. they WILL be made, and this guy did officialy find volcanion. there was also a leaked article on pokemon.com, quickly removed, for diancle. just make the pages, and delete them if need be. I will be watching for them in the new year, when I expect them to be announced, after torchic. and also, regarding pixie arcius and mew in x/y, they were added in the 1.1 patch which also allowed all pokemon to be added to the dex via pokebank. so In adding the pokebank, 1.1 had more than it seemed. prove me wrong, but I want evidence I am wrong. I know Nintendo, and this is legit. make the pages. I will cover the story. EDIT- while poking on serebii to take notes, I saw that they have a classification. I don't know if I can put them here, but am doing so any ways. :diancie the jewel pokemon, volcanion the steam pokemon, and hoopa the mischief pokemon. have I blown your mind??? proves their real! -dra9onslayer

What height and weight could it be for the three event Pokémon, what body style do they have and what colour category do they have? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Editing of [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] ==

Basically, I just went to add that Bibarel is confirmed to learn the move at Lv.18 (no idea about the pre-evo yet, but I trust it's also the same). It seems that I am unable to save edits to that page. Do we know what is causing this? I just edited [[Acupressure (move)|Acupressure]] without a problem a few minutes ago. Meanwhile, I tried the chat room, but it's more interested in a bot trivia game (now over 1,300 questions in!) and the other official channel is - well - dead. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I tried to edit it and it didn't go through. Maybe it's the amount of templates on the page? It's the only thing that really sets apart enough from other moves for it to be the only one to be uneditable. I'll see if someone can figure it out. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if any of them are complete, some could perhaps be converted to generic tables and left in like that (if they get vandalized, they can easily be restored). That might help with that issue. But then, I wondered why the learnset table was so far down. Clearly trying to include Headbutt as it applies to G/S/C. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Pages with lots of code transcluded to them, such as the code used in the template, exceed the maximum amount of code able to be used on a MediaWiki page. This limit is unable to be changed. The Headbutt page seems to be just before that limit. The page can be saved, it just takes a huge amount of time and a few attempts. But, any longer, and parts of the page will seemingly go missing, starting from the bottom up. We had a similarly large page on Wikisimpsons. We ended up needing to split the page up into several pages as huge tables of information just vanished. That might have to be done here too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::::If you'd like, I can take a look at it between assigning moves. I think provided the main page has the same types of data as the rest of the moves, it should be easy to move other data to a secondary page that doesn't need much editing. Also, if I cut the information off the existing one and save, I should have no problem saving less data.
::::With that said, if you'd rather do it later, understood. But it keeps me and others from adding data to it until it's done, hence why I'd like to look at it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

(Indent reset, any replies to the above can continue there, this is a separate segment.)

I have copied from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] the data that I think can be removed from the page. What I will suggest is taking this off the page and having it linked separately on the page. This will bring the page data down to a more useable level that saving issues will hopefully be reduced. The current location of the copied data is [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt|in my userspace]]. I'm open to working on the piece there and then moving it to the article space when it's ready for inclusion as a separate page. Or we can move it immediately and work on it already linked from the main page. What do you folks think? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think wait for input from admins before anything major is done to the page. Although the only way I can see the page being editable again is by splitting it up in my expert opinion (expert as I've encountered this issue before :P) ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::This is why I have already copied the data separately to my userspace. That way an admin. can move it to an appropriate title, the data removed from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]], and the link made between the articles. I agree, this issue was encountered six or seven months ago by someone on that talk page, and we can't deal with this over and over. We might even need to reduce the size of some of the lists at the bottom of the page by indicating all Pokémon in the previous list are also on the following list, and just not list them; however, that is a more drastic change I won't explore at this time. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::I just had a separate afterthought as well (hence the almost immediate new edit, this is not a preview issue). The list of Pokémon learning the move by TM can be included on the second article. It only applies to the second generation (for now) and we can remove it from the main article, again to save space. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::(Addendum) I have copied the TM information to my userspace. Again, no edits have been made to the main page yet, and I'd like to help work on a separate article regarding Headbutt and the mechanics as used in Generations II and IV in G/S/C/HG/SS (hence why it's in my userspace right now, but I'm open to it being moved to the main space if admins. approve the idea). The obvious alternative is to not be able to edit the main page or have data go missing; this at least preserves the data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::For the record, I think it would be more appropriate to move the lists of Pokemon that can be found via Headbutt. Learnlists should all remain together, but we do have [[Hidden Power calculation|precedent]] for moving lengthy material about how a move works to a separate page rather than keeping it on the same one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For the sake of full disclosure, I also [[User talk:Force Fire#Headbutt|brought this up]] with one of the admins. personally. Because Headbutt was only a TM in Generation II (replacing [[Razor Wind (move)|Razor Wind]] but since becoming [[Dragon Claw (move)|Dragon Claw]] in Gen. III, which has not changed since), and was likely made such for the specific reason of allowing players to buy the TM for repeated use teaching Pokémon the move to attack random trees, I have made the recommendation that the TM move data be placed there for that reason. I've provided additional points at the linked location.
::::The TM section alone is 11,000 bytes of data, and with the page causing problems due to being so large, any space we can get would be useful at this point. If it is deemed after staff discussion that it should stay there, I would recommend putting the data on a page by itself and transcluding the data to the page. This could technically be done on both pages, in fact, since the data specifically applies to that game where the mechanic occurs. That way, the string putting the data on one or both pages is a simple string, and the data is its own page.
::::For examples of how transclusion works, head over to Wikipedia and see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NHL_season 2013-14 NHL season], specifically under Standings. All four charts there are located on other pages and edited on those pages due to the daily updating on each compared to the article itself. This way, people editing the standings and people editing the rest of the article aren't running into constant edit conflicts. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::UPDATE: Again, for full disclosure, see [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt]] for how I'm proposing to reclaim the space on the page. I don't know if this is ideal for the staff, but the data I am recommending to transclude in this case should never have to be edited again, so the data page can be locked and the importing line in the article commented above and below warning not to modify that line. Of course, the data page would be moved first, hence why it's still a proposal. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've split the wild Pokémon only off into [[Headbutt (move)/Wild Pokémon]], as this needed to be fixed swiftly, since it was preventing editing of the page altogether. If you think the scope of the subpage should be different, please bring that up on its talk page. I'm not even that sure we need these lists (for HGSS, since Pokémon encountered are dependent on area rather than what category of area it is), but they can't stay on the Headbutt page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I still can't save edits to a segment of the page. I still propose, since the TM data should never be edited, doing the same thing there by moving the page in my usersdpace and linking that there. Unless it's just a case of the cache needing to be dumped, in which case it may work after that's done. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It certainly can be edited now, because my edit moving the wild Pokémon lists off the page went through. And if the issue is being unable to save a specific section, it is unlikely to be due to the number of templates; in fact, IIRC you can still edit sections of a page that is too big to save. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::As for keeping the TM list on the page, it has less to do with editing than it does with reading. A major reason people go to move pages is to see what can learn it (I would assume), and I don't want to split up learnlists across multiple pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Re TMs: did you see the page I created in my userspace? No, that's not the layout I propose, but I basically copied the TM data as it currently appears to a separate document, which allows the header to still be edited (I grabbed after the header up to the next header, for the next table).
:::::::::Re editing Headbutt, it FINALLY went through. so I'm satisfied with it now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wild Hold Items ==

I've been a member for about ten minutes and I probably have no chance of anyone seeing this... but how about a page that states the Pokemon that hold certain items in the wild including the item and the hold percentage. Possibly even moves or abilities that change the item's effect or position like unnerve or thief. I'm not sure but I think it'd be helpful. {{unsigned|8BitRevenge}}
:Actually, this is already done. On sections for items, if a wild Pokemon holds it in the wild in a game it is found in, the game section for that item lists it. The same for a Pokemon's page (under the "Held items" section), although it is only on the Pokemon's page that the percentage for that item is listed.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::That list is [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|here]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Dream World Moves ==

This deserves attention. Dream World no longer needs its own section because, well, the Dream World is closing (at least in terms of naptime and usefulness) as of December 14. Additionally, we are updating Pokémon pages for Gen. VI now; since Dream World isn't there, we should not include it as a section.

With that taken into account, do we or do we not have a place to list moves that are learnable in an earlier generation? If so, all Dream World moves should be moved to that location. We can also update those lists to take into account moves learned via Move Tutor in prior generations, or learned via TMs that no longer exist. If a move can be learned by breeding, we don't even need to list the Dream World move; see [[Pawniard (Pokémon)|Pawniard]], whose moves [[Psycho Cut (move)|Psycho Cut]] and [[Sucker Punch (move)|Sucker Punch]] are learnable via breeding. However, in the case of [[Butterfree (Pokémon)|Butterfree]], we have [[Air Cutter (move)|Air Cutter]] and [[Roost (move)|Roost]] unlearnable via breeding since Caterpie cannot learn any moves through breeding itself, and thus those moves belong in that section on Butterfree's page (which I've started updating except for the DW section).

Thoughts? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:They're already on the "Generation V learnset" subpages (here's {{DL|Butterfree (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset|Dream World moves|Butterfree's}}, for example). I think that's fine, isn't it? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

::That's my opinion as well. The question is whether other editors want to preserve them in some way.
::I'm actually going to remove it from Butterfree now pending opinion on this. I'm about to pull Butterfree out to level up. The only thing I can't fully check yet is the TM list, but I can start that. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Time travel and Time Travel ==

There are two pages with the same name differentiated by a capital letter: [[Time travel]] and [[Time Travel]]. Both have links to the other page (I added the one to Time Travel), but this is still quite confusing to have it like this. Wouldn't it make more sense to have Time Travel renamed Time Travel (e-reader application)? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 23:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I coudn't agree more!--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== I have a question... ==

I've noticed that the facility trainers (in the Battle Frontier, Maison, Contests, etc.) have the same name/team/quotes. Since these trainers are recurring, is it important that we put them on the page for their respective locations? Just wondering. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Koffing (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:29:02Z

Pringles: shorten the origin?

{{Rotating art}}
== stark mountain ==

I just found a koffing in stark mountain(Platinum) alongside a weezing, and it says only by trade on the page itself, but through the edit page it says stark mountain, so, code error? I wouldnt know. {{unsigned|Movodor}}

== Japanese name ==

Opening sentence says "Dogars", infobox says "Dogasu". Which one's the trademarked romaji? :S --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:The Japanese name is transcribed in romanji as "Dogars"; however, "Dogasu" or "Dogas" would make more sense, as this is a gassy pokemon. {{unsigned|Doctorhook}}

== Locatinos ==

LeafGreen Pokédex [http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3739/pokemonleafgreenemuzone.png marks] Pokémon Mansion and Celadon City... While article says only Pokémon Mansion... what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 08:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, [[Celadon City#Generation III|there's a 1% chance to find a Koffing by surfing]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite trivia ==

Based on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Raikou_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#A_question the discussion on Raikou's talk page about eliminating sprite trivia], I'm removing the section in trivia about Koffing's reversed Pokemon Blue sprite. If anyone disagrees with my decision, go ahead and revert it. [[User:Mousewings|Mousewings]] 09:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
:Wait, I don't know about that. Raikou had subtle differences. Koffing, on the other hand, is clearly off-model when compared to the Generation I Sugimori art. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
::But it was mentioned that the diffrence in question could easily be seen it the sprite section. Even though it is a noticible diffrence it still falls under sprite trivia which is frowned upon. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:23, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

== HD picture of Koffing in anime, replace older one? ==

Here is an HD image of Koffing, can we replace the Koffing in the anime picture with this new one?
[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/images/customavatars/avatar97_18.gif]
--Ash Ketchum!
:I personally prefer the one we have already. Your picture is cut off while the one on the article is a full body shot. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
::You realise "HD" means 1920px by 1080px or 1280px by 720px? That pic is small, and therefore not HD. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== The vocal track. ==

Trivia-section says that "pokemon" took its place in the international release, but I'm not hearing it. [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 00:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
:Make sure that all of them have not been talked to. If they have, you will have to leave and reenter. She clearly says P, O, K, É, M, O-N, {{tt|Pokémon|it sorta sounds like Poké Ball, but she still spells Pokémon.}}. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
::Well it sure as heck doesn't sound like "Koffing" does it? {{unsigned|Me, Hurray!}} 19:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:::That's why it says it was changed in the international versions of the games.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

== roughly??? ==

"roughly the same base stat totals and evolution levels". How the hell did this thing get into the trivia? [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 18:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Origin ==

It seems somewhat of a long list. Couldn't we narrow it down a bit, as it appears to be very general? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of glitches in Generation VI

2013-11-30T23:23:25Z

Pringles: /* Wonder Trade evolution movelearning glitch */

== Sky Trainers ==

This isn't really a glitch, the player can't speak with them because they're too far away, and when the player steps into the area, they're not programmed to do anything if the player's already fought them. Like the previous rebattling trainers, {{tc|Pokémon Breeder}} in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2#Gameplay changes|Black 2 and White 2]]. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 12:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You can't rematch Sky Trainers, though, and Pokémon Breeders could be spoken to after battles. It seems odd that you addressed it as "it always happens", because it clearly doesn't. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You can't? I thought I had done that before.... -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 12:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

:You can talk to them after you have fought them. However, you need to leave the area and come back later to do so, which is different when compared to other trainers. (Making sure the game is patched to 1.1 may help as well.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mystery Egg ==
We should probably mention its effects, shouldn't we?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone actually knows of any as of yet. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] ([[User talk:OwnageMuch|talk]]) 21:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::It is known that Mystery Eggs can duplicate after an unspecified amount of time and take up space in the PC Boxes, eventually rendering them unusable. Sort of like the Bad Eggs of previous gens. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 22:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::: Okay, wasn't it confirmed that the Mystery Egg glitch was happening to ''one guy'' because of a hardware issue, not anything to do with the game's coding? In that case, I don't think it qualifies for Bulbapedia coverage any more than Pokemon X Special Headless Edition does. Unless there's actual reports of other players with this problem who probably don't have the same hardware issues, in which case, please link me to them. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:47, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::People have been receiving them off Wonder Trade, and some have had them pop up in their boxes randomly. It's not "just one guy". --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::: I say again, give me a link to actual proof. I don't want to go by hearsay, because hearsay is what started the whole "bad eggs on WT because people started hacking" fiasco despite hacking being quite impossible at this point. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 01:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I don't think anyone actually has gotten Bad Eggs from Wonder Trade. To my knowledge, people (who didn't get them) just speculated that was where they came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:24, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I found [http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1911857-mystery-eggs/ two] other people who got them, though the thread quickly devolves into "they're from wonder trade because hacks!" nonsense. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:I've heard that it may have something to do with the SD card. Bishopped (the guy with the video) said that the eggs remained in his game even when he made a new save too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 06:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wonder Trade evolution movelearning glitch ==

I don't think the description up now is quite right- I received a Phantump over Wonder Trade which, of course, evolved, and in doing so learned a few new moves (it was at level 1, so all its starting moves). Rather than both moves vanishing, the old moves just weren't replaced. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 01:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure that the description meant that when a Wonder Traded Pokémon learns a new move that replaces the old move, they both disappear, rather than slots being filled. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:23, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

XY008

2013-11-30T23:22:17Z

Pringles: /* Trivia */ it's eyelash, not eyeslash

{{undubbed|807}}

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title_ja=ポケモントリマーとトリミアン！|
title_ja_trans=Pokémon Trimmer and Trimmien! |
broadcast_jp=November 28, 2013 |
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ja_op=[[V (Volt)|Ｖ（ボルト）]] |
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scenario=大橋志吉 |
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director=樋口真嗣 |
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* {{BMGf|157701|Preview thread on BMGf}} ''Closed''
* {{BMGf|159402|Original review thread on BMGf}}

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(Japanese: '''ポケモントリマーとトリミアン！''' ''Pokémon Trimmer and {{tt|Trimmien|Furfrou}}!'') is the eighth episode of the {{series|XY}}, and the 807th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on November 28, 2013.
{{spoilers}}



==Plot==
{{incomplete plot}}


==Major events==


{{animeevents}}
===Debuts===
====Pokémon debuts====

==Characters==
===Humans===
[[File:Pokémon Quiz XY008.png|200px|thumb|right|Pokémon Quiz]]
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Serena}}
* {{an|Clemont}}
* {{an|Bonnie}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Officer Jenny]]
* {{kal|Jessica}}
* {{kal|Barry}}

===Pokémon===

[[Who's That Pokémon?|Pokémon Quiz]]: {{p|Furfrou}} ''(Japan)''
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Fennekin}} ({{OP|Serena|Fennekin}})
* {{p|Bunnelby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}})
* {{p|Dedenne}} ({{OP|Clemont|Dedenne}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Inkay}} ({{OP|James|Inkay}})
* {{p|Furfrou}} ({{kal|Jessica}}'s)
* {{p|Furfrou}} (multiple)
* {{p|Manectric}} ([[Officer Jenny]]'s)
* {{p|Fearow}} (×2)
* {{p|Watchog}}
* {{p|Psyduck}}
* {{p|Politoed}}
* {{p|Nidoran♂}}
* {{p|Swablu}}
* {{p|Poochyena}} (×2)
* {{p|Kirlia}}
* {{p|Patrat}}
* {{p|Medicham}}

==Trivia==
[[File:XY008_Wobbuffet's_Outfit.png|thumb|220px|Wobbuffet as Mona Lisa]]
* [[Professor Oak's lecture|Professor Oak's Pokémon Holo Caster]]: {{p|Rhyhorn}}
* One of the outfits {{p|Wobbuffet}} is seen wearing resembles {{wp|Mona Lisa}}, and another one it's seen wearing resembles {{wp|Napoleon Bonaparte}}.

===Errors===
* When Jessica is explaning {{an|Bonnie}} about these berries, an eyelash on {{kal|Jessica}}'s right eye disappears.
* When Jessica's {{p|Furfrou}} has been trapped by {{TRT}}'s electro trap, while everyone was shocked, expect {{AP|Pikachu}} who can't see because of {{p|Inkay}}'s ink, [[Officer Jenny]]'s lipstick is missing.
* During one scene before Jessica's flashbacks, [[Officer Jenny]]'s lipstick is missing again.
* After Team Rocket blasted off again, and Officer Jenny takes the bag full of Pokéballs they stole, her lipstick disappears.
* In one scene, the pupil on {{an|Serena}}'s left eye disappears.
<gallery>
File:XY008_error.png|Jessica's eyelash error
File:XY008_error_2.png|Officer Jenny's lipstick error #1
File:XY008_error_3.png|Officer Jenny's lipstick error #2
File:XY008_error_4.png|Officer Jenny's lipstick error #3
File:XY008_error_5.png|Serena's pupil error
</gallery>

===Dub edits===

==In other languages==

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{{stub|Anime|Episode}}

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[[Category:XY series episodes|007]]


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[[zh:XY008]]

Talk:Barbaracle (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:16:09Z

Pringles: Can an admin delete this page? My computer glitched up and I thought there was a block or something...

== Reverting ==

I'm not sure why, but the trivia keeps going back to the incorrect state. The stuff I fixed, which were wrong and somehow changed back, were:
*changing "pokemon" to "Pokémon"
*changing a slash to an asterisk

It's apparently reverting back for some reason, so... yeah. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

:Forget it. It went through (but I'm not sure how to delete this page, however...). -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Barbaracle (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:14:42Z

Pringles: Created page with "== Reverting == I'm not sure why, but the trivia keeps going back to the incorrect state. The stuff I fixed, which were wrong and somehow changed back, were: *changing "pokem..."

Barbaracle (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:11:34Z

Pringles: /* Trivia */ Is this trivia even valid?

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Binacle | next=Skrelp | type=Rock | type2=Water | prevnum=688 | nextnum=690 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Barbaracle |
jname=ガメノデス |
tmname=Gamenodesu |
image=689Barbaracle Dream.png |
species=Collective |
typebox=1 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Water |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Tough Claws |
ability2=Sniper |
abilityd=Pickpocket |
ndex=689 |
karea=Coastal |
kdex=022 |
height-ftin=4'03" |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=211.6 |
weight-kg=96.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 3 |
egggroup2=Water 1 |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=2 |
evat=2 |
expyield=175 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=0 |
body=11 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Barbaracle''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ガメノデス''' ''Gamenodesu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Water}} Pokémon.

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Binacle}} starting at [[level]] 39.

==Biology==
Barbaracle has a grayish, rocky body with an orange waist. The two hands that this Pokémon had as a Binacle have split into two legs, four arms and one head. Barbaracle's limbs are orange with a single brown stripe and the arms and feet have three claws each. Barbaracle's four hands have single eye in each palm. The head, which resembles a fist, has two eyes, four clawed fingers on top and a fifth clawed "thumb" on one of its cheeks.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Barbaracle has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Rock
|type2=Water
|gen=6
|xdex=When they evolve, two {{p|Binacle}} multiply into seven. They fight with the power of seven Binacle.
|ydex=Barbaracle's legs and hands have minds of their own, and they will move independently. But they usually follow the head's orders.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock|
type2=Water|
gen=6|
xyrarity=Unknown|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Binacle}}|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Rock|
type2=Water|
HP= 72|
Attack= 105|
Defense=115|
SpAtk= 54|
SpDef= 86|
Speed= 68}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=rock |
type2=water |
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 25 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist/levelh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Shell Smash|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Sand Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|4|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|7|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{Learnlist/level6|10|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|20|Clamp|Water|Physical|35|85|15||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|24|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|37|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|40|95|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|44|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|48|Razor Shell|Water|Physical|75|95|10||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|55|Cross Chop|Fighting|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|60|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|65|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/levelf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM96|Nature Power|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM98|Power-Up Punch|Fighting|Physical|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|341|Corphish}}|Switcheroo|Dark|Status|—|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|138|Omanyte}}{{MSP|139|Omastar}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}{{MSP|693|Clawitzer}}|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=000
|name1=Binacle
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Water
|evotype1=Level
|level1=39
|sprite2=000
|name2=Barbaracle
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Water}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
*Barbaracle and and its previous evolution, [[Binacle]], are the only Water/Rock types to not be fossil Pokémon.

===Origin===
Barbaracle seems to be based on the {{wp|goose barnacle}}, due to their general shape and use of a connective "stalk" to cling to rocks. Considering one "main" Barbaracle survives together with others, it may possibly reference to the rarer, same species {{wp|symbiosis}}, in particular conjunctive symbiosis due to their fusion into a single body. Considering its hand-like limbs and bodies, and its eyes within its many hands's "palms", it may have also been based on the {{wp|hamsa}}. Its limbs having minds of their own may be a reference to {{wp|alien hand syndrome}}.

====Name origin====
Barbaracle may be a combination of ''barbarian'' and ''barnacle''.

Gamenodesu may be a combination of 亀の手 ''kame no te'' (barnacle) and ''death''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=rock|type2=water
|ja=ガメノデス ''Gamenodesu''|jameaning=From {{tt|亀の手 ''kame no te''|barnacle}} and ''death''
|fr=Golgopathe|frmeaning=Possibly from ''{{tt|Golgotha|place of the skull}}'' and {{tt|πάθος ''pathos''|ancient Greek for pain}}
|es=Barbaracle|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Thanathora|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Thanatos}}'' and ''{{wp|Thoracica}}''
|it=Barbaracle|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=거북손데스 ''Geoboksondeseu''|komeaning=From {{wp|Capitulum mitella|거북손 ''geobokson''}} and ''death''
}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Binacle | next=Skrelp | type=Rock | type2=Water | prevnum=688 | nextnum=690 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Thanathora]]
[[fr:Golgopathe]]
[[it:Barbaracle]]
[[ja:ガメノデス]]
[[zh:ガメノデス]]

Talk:Panpour (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:11:05Z

Pringles: /* Panpour and Simipour actually have white eyes */

== Sanzaru ==

Yes I know this is speculative but I kinda thought of this

look at Hiyappu and how it has its eyes closed

[[File:511Pansage.png|right|thumb|See no evil]]

now look at Baoppu and its pose..it looks like it wants you to speak up

[[File:513Pansear.png|right|thumb|Hear no evil]]

and Yanappu its mouth is open...but is there sound coming out?

[[File:515Panpour.png|right|thumb|Speak no evil]]

http://www.aspencountry.com/assets/product_images/product_lib/31000-31999/31655.jpg

doesnt it look similar to the {{wp|Three wise monkeys}}? maybe it could be added to the origins?

sorry for bothering if not..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 15:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:That's an interesting thought.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 18:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you, I looked at them and I knew it reminded me of somethingalso If you look their tails resemble card symbols Yanappu (heart) Baoppu (Ace) and Hiyappu (spade) but that's not really trivia [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

could it be that the monkeys tail indicates their number look baoppu has one end yanappu has two ends and hiyappu has three like a clover isn't it?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 04:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== name origin? ==

When I first saw Hiyappu (ヒヤップ) I mistakenly read its name as Hiyassu (I feel embarrassed, lol), so my first thought of the origin of the name was the verb 冷やす (hiyasu) ''to cool, to chill''. It seems I wasn't far off, because with a quick little dictionary research I found 冷や (hiya) ''cool water/{{wp|sake}}''. I assume at this point 冷や + ''ape'' (as speculated in the Yanappu article) is a good guess, so I'll add it to the article.
:Um my Appu = ape line wasn't really true...it would be eipu if it was ape...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:35, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, that does make sense... But it's the best we have for now, lol.
::Oops, I see I forgot to sign my previous post. [[User:BlackySully|㊰'''ブラッキーシュリー''']] 00:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== How is this not a plausible origin? ==

''"Its shut eyes may also represent {{wp|envy}}, one of the {{wp|cardinal sins}}. In part two of {{wp|Dante|Dante's}} ''{{wp|Divine Comedy}}'', ''{{wp|Purgatorio}}'', the punishment for being envious was to have your eyes sewn shut with wire."''

Not only are its eyes are slit and closed it is also coincidentally is based off of the see-no-evil monkey, which is similar to the greed punishment. - [[User:050294|050294]] 05:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:It seems plausible enough to me. It's rare that Pokémon is based on only a single origin. "the punishment for the envious is to have their eyes sewn shut with wire because they have gained sinful pleasure from seeing others brought low." sounds basically the same as "see no evil", so I say it's worth keeping up. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 06:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Move to Panpour ==

[http://files.droplr.com/files/19310907/HMun.Photo12291808_1.jpg We have more confirmation.]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:As I said on the talk page for what will soon be the Pansear article, agreed 100%. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ahuizotl ==

Can someone edit the wikipedia link for Ahuizotl to link to Ahuizotl (creature)? The default for that goes to a king named after the creature, not the creature itself. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

==Notable Trivia?==
Panpour and its evolution are the only Pokemon to learn Scald via level-up, but ironically Panpour's Chinese name 冷水猴 means "''Cold Water'' Monkey"! Does this seem like a notable trivia? Personally I find it pretty interesting...{{unsigned|KingKairos}}
:To be fair, its Japanese name also contains ''cool water'', so it was probably intentional. ----'''神智の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]'''」''' 08:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Should add this==
In [[BW005|Triple Leaders, Triple Threats!]] Ash's Pokedex said that Panpour lived in the forest in acient times then it's body changed so it can live near water. [[User:Grabbergirl|Pokemon FTW!!!!]] ([[User talk:Grabbergirl|talk]]) 20:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
:It's already in ''In the anime'' section. Also, your signature must resemble your username in some way so please change it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

==Panpour and Simipour actually have white eyes==
While evolving my Panpour in X today, I watched both my Panpour and Simipour blink. Noticing something weird, I went to my Pokedex and looked at their animation more.

Their eyes are not closed. The top half of their "eyes" are actually their eyelid, and, in X and Y, is a slightly different color than their eyes. When they blink, their off-white eyelids cover their white eyes and open to reveal the same white eyes.

As it is listed as "black" in the entry, I will correct this.

-[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 04:08, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think you're mistaken. I checked my game as well as Pokedex 3D Pro. Both of its eyelids are exactly the same color. Yes, they move, but that's so it can express its emotions. They are closed. All Pansage, Simisage, Pansear, and Simisear all close their eyes the same way Panpour and Simipour do (albeit slightly different looking). [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 05:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::In Pokedex 3D Pro, maybe (I can't say), but in my X it is apparent (to me) that the eyelid (top half) is a slightly different color than the eye (bottom half). It's off-white (the top is) so it may be hard to notice at first. Keep looking.

::The eyes are NOT closed... that's why it observably blinks. :|

::It would actually tie in more to Panpour/Simipour and the other monkey's motif of the three wise monkeys if so. Whitened eyes are a symbol of blindness, tying into the "See no evil" thing even better.

::I'll test in Pokemon-Amie in a bit to see if this changes.
::-[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 07:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

::Off-white color of the eyelids is even more noticeable in Pokemon-Amie.
::-[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 07:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

::Downloaded the images of Panpour and Simipour and sampled the colors of the eye and eyelid in Paint Tool SAI. Seems that each eye and eyelid is its own shade of off-white, with the eyelids being slightly more white than the eyes. Given that it looks different in X and Y, I am not sure what to make of this.
::-[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of X]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 16:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

:::Adding to the blindness image, Panpour's hands are reaching out (like a blind person's). -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

::::Since it's pretty much confirmed, should the article be changed to include this (that its eyes are open)? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Barbaracle (Pokémon)

2013-11-30T23:10:56Z

Pringles: /* Trivia */ fixing the formatting

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Binacle | next=Skrelp | type=Rock | type2=Water | prevnum=688 | nextnum=690 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Barbaracle |
jname=ガメノデス |
tmname=Gamenodesu |
image=689Barbaracle Dream.png |
species=Collective |
typebox=1 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Water |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Tough Claws |
ability2=Sniper |
abilityd=Pickpocket |
ndex=689 |
karea=Coastal |
kdex=022 |
height-ftin=4'03" |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=211.6 |
weight-kg=96.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 3 |
egggroup2=Water 1 |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=2 |
evat=2 |
expyield=175 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=0 |
body=11 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Barbaracle''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ガメノデス''' ''Gamenodesu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Water}} Pokémon.

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Binacle}} starting at [[level]] 39.

==Biology==
Barbaracle has a grayish, rocky body with an orange waist. The two hands that this Pokémon had as a Binacle have split into two legs, four arms and one head. Barbaracle's limbs are orange with a single brown stripe and the arms and feet have three claws each. Barbaracle's four hands have single eye in each palm. The head, which resembles a fist, has two eyes, four clawed fingers on top and a fifth clawed "thumb" on one of its cheeks.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Barbaracle has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Rock
|type2=Water
|gen=6
|xdex=When they evolve, two {{p|Binacle}} multiply into seven. They fight with the power of seven Binacle.
|ydex=Barbaracle's legs and hands have minds of their own, and they will move independently. But they usually follow the head's orders.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock|
type2=Water|
gen=6|
xyrarity=Unknown|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Binacle}}|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Rock|
type2=Water|
HP= 72|
Attack= 105|
Defense=115|
SpAtk= 54|
SpDef= 86|
Speed= 68}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=rock |
type2=water |
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 25 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist/levelh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Shell Smash|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Sand Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|4|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|7|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{Learnlist/level6|10|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|20|Clamp|Water|Physical|35|85|15||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|24|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|37|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|40|95|20}}
{{Learnlist/level6|44|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|48|Razor Shell|Water|Physical|75|95|10||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|55|Cross Chop|Fighting|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|60|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|65|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/levelf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM96|Nature Power|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM98|Power-Up Punch|Fighting|Physical|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|341|Corphish}}|Switcheroo|Dark|Status|—|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|138|Omanyte}}{{MSP|139|Omastar}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}{{MSP|693|Clawitzer}}|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Barbaracle|Rock|Water|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=000
|name1=Binacle
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Water
|evotype1=Level
|level1=39
|sprite2=000
|name2=Barbaracle
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Water}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
*Barbaracle and and its previous evolution, [[Binacle]], are the only Water/Rock types to not be fossil pokemon.

===Origin===
Barbaracle seems to be based on the {{wp|goose barnacle}}, due to their general shape and use of a connective "stalk" to cling to rocks. Considering one "main" Barbaracle survives together with others, it may possibly reference to the rarer, same species {{wp|symbiosis}}, in particular conjunctive symbiosis due to their fusion into a single body. Considering its hand-like limbs and bodies, and its eyes within its many hands's "palms", it may have also been based on the {{wp|hamsa}}. Its limbs having minds of their own may be a reference to {{wp|alien hand syndrome}}.

====Name origin====
Barbaracle may be a combination of ''barbarian'' and ''barnacle''.

Gamenodesu may be a combination of 亀の手 ''kame no te'' (barnacle) and ''death''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=rock|type2=water
|ja=ガメノデス ''Gamenodesu''|jameaning=From {{tt|亀の手 ''kame no te''|barnacle}} and ''death''
|fr=Golgopathe|frmeaning=Possibly from ''{{tt|Golgotha|place of the skull}}'' and {{tt|πάθος ''pathos''|ancient Greek for pain}}
|es=Barbaracle|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Thanathora|demeaning=From ''{{wp|Thanatos}}'' and ''{{wp|Thoracica}}''
|it=Barbaracle|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=거북손데스 ''Geoboksondeseu''|komeaning=From {{wp|Capitulum mitella|거북손 ''geobokson''}} and ''death''
}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Binacle | next=Skrelp | type=Rock | type2=Water | prevnum=688 | nextnum=690 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Thanathora]]
[[fr:Golgopathe]]
[[it:Barbaracle]]
[[ja:ガメノデス]]
[[zh:ガメノデス]]

Talk:Battle Maison

2013-11-29T21:52:22Z

Pringles: Created page with "== Trainers == I've had a question for a long time that pertains to not only this, but also things like the Chateau, Battle Frontier, Contests, etc. Since there are several t..."

== Trainers ==

I've had a question for a long time that pertains to not only this, but also things like the Chateau, Battle Frontier, Contests, etc. Since there are several trainers (besides the main "bosses", like the Chatelaines) that frequent each facility, and have the same team and sayings each time, would it be important to add them? We have the teams for other trainers, random people on routes and stuff like that, aren't these of the same importance? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bronzor (Pokémon)

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Pringles:

Does the symbol on the back of Bronzor/Bronzong have any special meaning? (Check the "Forms" section of the Pokédex. There's some kind of 5-leaf branch symbol on their backs.) --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know the name of the legend/fairy tale, but I know it's what the two pokemon are based off of. A large bell broke and the village collected mirrors(made of bronze back then) to melt down and fix the bell. One woman was greedy and lied about the mirror, then died or something and her mirror was cursed. When they tried to melt her mirror it wouldn't melt (heatproof explained. I think the symbol on the back was also important in the tale. If anyone could find the correct/full version of this story, it would help shed some light. --[[User:Eleking|Eleking]] 05:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

== Aged Bronze? ==

It just me or does the shiny version look like and aged bronze version
*They just coloured him green, they probably were running out of ideas this stage, they made a bronze plate a pokemon. they just coloured him green. I really wish they made more shinies with desirable colours like Blaziken, where he was darkened a tad and got white hair.--[[User:Madheroesfan|Madheroesfan]] 12:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== Ichinomiya flag? ==

I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Flag_of_Ichinomiya%2C_Aichi.svg/200px-Flag_of_Ichinomiya%2C_Aichi.svg.png

on wikipedia a little bit ago and automatically thought it looks like bronzor.If you conect the dots on bronzors face to its nose(or whatever that ball on it's face is) you get the design in the middle of the flag.just wondering if it should be included in the origin section.-[[User:Darkmaster0|Darkmaster]][[User talk:Darkmaster0|0]] 01:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:that flag has 5 balls, bronzor has 6 --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 12:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

==Weakness'==

I believe that bronzong and bronzor are the only pokémon with only one weakness (due to the two weakness' and the abilities(Heatproof or Levitate) they have getting rid of either their Fire or Ground weakness). can I put this in the trivia --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 23:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:All single-type Electric Pokémon have just one weakness: Ground. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:: my mistake then --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 12:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"Bronzor and its evolution are the only Pokémon with the ability Levitate that can have another ability, Heatproof."
Should it's Hidden Ability be added to this bit of trivia? [[User:Questioner|Questioner]] 17:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Back ==

Why is there a tree? Because it's a plate? ...anyway, it looks like the plant badge... -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Panpour (Pokémon)

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Talk:Wikstrom

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Pringles:

==Probopass==
In case anybody's wondering, Probopass had full health when I KO'ed it. If it had Sturdy it would have survived the hit and therefore I wouldn't have edited the main article. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 17:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61707450/Snapshot%201%20(10-31-2013%201-27%20PM).png
:First turn, Earth Power, level 100 Flygon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::Just a quick thought, but it could depend on what version of the game it is. That or Probopass had some sort of prior damage. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 18:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Probopass had been Full Restored before my Tyrantrum attacked, so having prior damage would be impossible. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 18:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I've learned from experience that Sturdy no longer works when the Pokémon's damaged, so I don't see it not having Sturdy. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 18:58, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::It's Sturdy in Y too. What attack did your Tyrantrum use? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::I already said: {{m|Earthquake}}. Are we sure the Ability isn't randomized? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 19:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::I went over the discussion and saw no mention of the move so I asked. Anyway, yes, I am positive it's not random and Probopass had some damage already done to it somehow. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::How does one place prior damage on a Pokémon that is fully healed right before being one-hit KOed? Also since I have a feeling someone's going to ask this: No, I did not swap Probopass' Ability. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 19:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::Anybody figured out this mystery yet? I'm still confused. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 16:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Is it possible that Sturdy has changed so that recovery items that take a Pokemon back up to full do not allow Sturdy to activate again? (In other words, is it possible that now Sturdy only activates if the first hit a Pokemon takes would KO it?) Can someone do some research on this? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::Tested this with Mega Mewtwo X. Sturdy still activates even if the Pokémon has been healed back to full health. The mystery continues... --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 09:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Anybody solved it yet? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 00:16, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::My two cents: Every time I fight Wikstrom's Probopass, he Full Restores it three times because of Sturdy, each time. The only way to avoid it is to give it minimal damage first. Because the cited Pokemon that attacked it is Tyrantrum, perhaps the original poster had laid out Stealth Rock on a prior Pokemon before Probopass came out. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 23:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:How could there be damage if Wikstrom Full Restored just before I killed Probopass? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 07:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:Can we dismiss this as a glitch, or is it the info insufficient? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 19:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think something happened you simply missed. Not a glitch, its ability is not up for debate, you simply made a minor mistake. It happens to everyone. Move on. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

==Question==
Does Wikstrom even speak English? Because I'm pretty sure "mayhap" isn't a word. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 22:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure you didn't even bother to google it. [[wiktionary:mayhap|It's]] basically an archaic version of "maybe", so it's perfectly fitting for him to use.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 22:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

== Question 2 ==

Is his Japanese name Gampi or Ganpi? I'll stop adding things to the talk page now. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
:{{wp|N (kana)|ん and ン are pronounced "m" before "p"}}, so I'd hypothesize it's "Gampi" (though I don't speak Japanese myself). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

== Coincidence? ==

"''My '''will''', which even '''shakes spears''', trembles at so fine a battle as this!''"

Either I'm overthinking, or this was an intended reference to {{wp|William Shakespeare}}. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 12:36, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:Nobody's responded within over 2 hours. I'm calling intentional. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 15:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::It really doesn't seem like an intentional reference to me. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 15:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:::In my opinion it's anything but unintentional. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 15:49, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::Is this notable enough for a trivia point? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 18:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm assuming it is. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 20:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:Just because nobody responds doesn't mean you're right. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::It's pretty conclusive, given that Wikstrom speaks in a sort of prose, but there's still nothing else to confirm or deny it. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:03, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Key Items in Generation V

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Pringles:

== English Live Caster Name ==
It was revealed that the Live Caster's English name is the [[Xtransceiver]]. When I attempt to edit it's section of the page, the image breaks. I'm new to wikis, so could you tell me how to edit this and fix the image? {{unsigned|Nathan2055}}
:The image broke because of the coding in the template. The image could be fixed by moving it on the Archives, but only Junior Admins and higher can move files there. By the way, remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~)! It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 22:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
::My mistake. I have seen the edit to the page, it needs the link to the main article. I'll bring this up over at the Xtransceiver page, maybe they can move the picture. I'll leave the other comment unsigned so the timestamp stays correct. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]] 22:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It's been fixed. The image just had to be moved. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I didn't notice the link at the bottom, everything is fixed now. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]] 22:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::I just changed Forgotten Item to Dropped Item, having checked White 2's Items in game, and the same problem occured, the image link broke. Somebody fix it please. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 10:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Speaking of item names, is the Round Charm called that in English, or is it the Oval Charm? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] ([[User talk:Serial Colour|talk]]) 00:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

== ??? ==

What is the "God Stone"??? --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 22:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's an unobtainable item found in the coding of BW that does nothing at all. So, basically, no one knows. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 01:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
ok, thank you :) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 14:24, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Am I the only feel that the God Stone has a relation to Kyurem? I mean, White Stone = Reshiram Black Stone = Zekrom God Stone = Kyurem? Just a theory 18:13:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)--[[User:ZackRoss|ZackRoss]]
:Well... Let's wait until {{tt|Gray|Or how the hell Nintendo will call the third version}}. Also, why the hell God Stone? Black + White = God (lolwut?) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 18:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
::I figure its an artifact. Like, it was supposed to do something but then they decided on doing it a different way. Like the Azure Flute, and the way it does its thing. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 04:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
:::It also looks like the stone that Ghetsis uses to combine Reshiram or Zekrom and Kyruem in Black and White 2.
--Time for awesomeness! [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] [[ 16:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny charm mechanics ==

Does the shiny charm increase the chance of an egg hatching into a shiny if not aided by the Masuda Method? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] ([[User talk:Tk3141|talk]]) 22:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Oval Charm's effect ==

Has anyone tried finding out what ''specifically'' the Oval Charm does? That is, by how much does the probability of egg-finding increase? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] ([[User talk:Serial Colour|talk]]) 01:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== God Stone. ==

Is the God Stone even in B2W2? Because I've heard that it was removed from game's code. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Okay, I'm sure we've seen the Xtransciever and Super Rod in the Naime, confirmed to be Cilan's Rod, and Bianca has a Xtransciever. Also, in Gen IV Anime, we saw the Lunar Wing, Bicycle and Gracidea (Films). Not sue if we saw the Dragon Skull in the Nacrene Museum/Gym, anyone now if we saw it?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 16:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
:Anime appearances go on the individual item's pages, not here. If they are only here and have an anime appearance, they probably deserve their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 18:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

==Shiny Charm==

I got mine from the Professor, not Cedric... but it was weird. She said what she normally says ("You caught 300 Pokémon in the Unova Region blah blah blah") and then she said that I completed the National Pokédex and gave me the Shiny Charm. I wish I could show you, but I didn't happen to get it on video, not thinking it was abnormal at the time. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 13:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

== Reveal Glass? ==

How would you get the Reveal Glass if you have to bring in a Therian Forme Landorus (which would be impossible to get without the Reveal Glass)? [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 17:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:Not sure if Therians can be traded in that form or must be in Incarnate Forme, but you get Therian Forme Landorus from the [[Dream Radar]]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Oval Charm ==

It's not exclusive to B2W2. I got it from Prof. Sycamore after completing the Kalos Dex. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 18:54, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, but this is a list of key items in Generation V. During Generation V it was exclusive to B2W2. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::Whoops. Sorry, I didn't actually notice the title (I just typed in "Oval Charm", and this page popped up). -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 19:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Key Items in Generation V

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Talk:Pokédex

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Pringles:

There should be something about the real-life Pokedex. [[User:TheListUpdater|TheListUpdater]] 20:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:You mean the toy ones? Good idea.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 04:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== FireRed entries for Kanto Pokémon? ==

Am I correct in assuming, as LeafGreen got the R/B entries, that FR's entries were originally in Green? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, wait, answered myself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Nest area colors and patterns? ==

I noticed that there were different ways of highlighting nesting areas (at least in D/P). For example, Chansey's nesting area shows Routes 209 and 210 as square, cyan, and glowing, but the Trophy Garden as red, round, and flashing. Does anyone have any knowledge about what each of these mean specifically?

:It means the size of the area. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 23:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Pokedex contradictions ==

There are a lot of Pokedex entries that are not fulfilled when certain moves are used in battle against it, like Hypno not making any Pokemon who sees it or uses Mean Look on it or wakes up from sleep fall asleep. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 23:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:If everything the Pokédex said were true, the games would probably suck. Arceus should just be able to make its opponent simply ''not exist anymore''. This is just a case of [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation.]--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Im sorry, but that would be epic.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::If they wanted to make the game better by having contradictions, then what was the point in even making those Dex entries? I mean, wouldn't it be easier if they didn't have entries? or at least make them more compatable with gameplay? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::::For those people who dont play the games competitively or even use a Pedia to look up this stuff. CASUAL GAMERS LIKE TO READ. sorry for the caps--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Models... ==

It seems that the TCG has given these things model numbers since the start... what ought we do about that, as far as mentioning it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:The issue is that <s>the GSC Pokédex wasn't given a model number, and</s> the RSE Pokédex wasn't even featured. Perhaps mention the model numbers straight after naming the Pokédex number, as such:
:*The first version of the Pokédex (model number HANDY505)...
:*The second Pokédex (model number HANDY808...
:*The fourth Pokédex (model number HANDY909)...
:*The fifth Pokédex (model number HANDY910is)... (Unsure about what to do with the sixth Pokédex, as it's still the same model, just new software, it seems)
:And link to the relevant TCG page for the model? [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 19:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::I wouldn't doubt that the model number appears SOMEWHERE in the games... it has to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, if model numbers are mentioned in the TCG, surely they must have been mentioned in either the games or the anime. I don't recall the TCG ever having been a primary source for something like that. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 19:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Pokédex model numbers are never mentioned in any English game pre‐Ruby and Sapphire; can’t comment for anything from GBA onward, but i think that’s highly unlikely as well. I suspect this is just a case of TCG canon—it ''is'' pretty cool though. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==Dex Ratings==

You know, they really should say what Prof. Oak says when you got a certain number of Pokemon. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 17:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== New johto Dex ==

should we add info on the new Johto Dex? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 14:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sure, if we have enough to make something about it. *hasn't been paying attention to the news lately* '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a pic of the new Johto Dex's but don't know how to edit it in the program.

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixels_.png

-[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 01:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you want to do, and in what program? Show the left half of the page, or only the top left with the two versions of the new Dex? Because if we get it so that it only shows the Dex's, it would... only show what the two Dex's look like. If we did the whole left half of the page, it would show part of what it can do. Unless what's underneath them has nothing to do with them{{tt|...|yay for not speaking Japanese...}} '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::While reading that I thought of something. It ended up working out so here it all is:

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixe-4.png

Do we want all of that or just the dex's? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Just the Dex's -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixe-1.png

:::That's what I was asking about. Thanks. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==PMC Pokédex==
Could someone get a screenshot of the Pokédex seen in [[AG087|Crazy as a Lunatone]]? It looks like a GameBoy Advance SP and is used by PMC. I reckon it deserves a mention? It's probably a middleman between the Hoenn Dex and the Neo Kanto Dex - or an alternate Neo Kanto Dex. [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 00:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can I add this? ==

In the Sinnoh Dex, where it tells you the location of the Pokémon, that the map is a little off.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 00:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

:Meaning? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well the map is a little off, Snowpoint is really off to me, but I guess its only opinion so never mind.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Dex in the Anime ==

"The anime version lacks the dial on the side."

If you look closely at the anime screenshot, it's pretty clear that the "dial" is simply pushed into the side of the Dex. It probably slides out when the trainer wants to use it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:That is the scanner that you can use to check what moves a Pokémon has while it's in the Poké Ball. That's what Paul uses for the first few Pokémon he's seen catching, such as the Starly, {{TP|Paul|Ursaring}}, and Stantler. That's what the "This Pokédex, as shown in the anime by Paul, is able to scan a Poké Ball to see what moves the Pokémon inside it can use." quote is about. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, I must have missed that episode. Though, if that's really the case, could someone include a screenshot of the exposed scanner so we can have a proper comparison of the anime dex to the game dex? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== "Dex" ==
Should this be a Project Fandom article? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I'd say it is a Project PokéDex page.--[[User:GreenGyarados|''Green'']][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|ギャラ]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|ドス]] 20:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::No, like "Dex is a fanon term to describe a Pokédex..." [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmm. I appear to have permanently deleted the old discussions in trying to merge the pages. Er, oops? Btw: Project Itemdex. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::::No, no, no! Dex for Project Fandom. That's why I did it at Dex's talk. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Electronic Toys ==
I didn't really know where to put this question so I thought I would put it here since it is related to the Pokédex. I know that both Kanto Pokédex (HANDY505 & HANDY909), The Hoenn Pokédex, and the Sinnoh Pokédex (HANDY910is) were all made into electronic toys for children but what about the other Pokédex like the Johto Pokédex (HANDY808) and it's remake? Were they made into electronic toys, in the case of the remake going to be made, too? Let me know either here or on my user talk page. I'm trying to find an answer for cosplay purposes. Thank you. --[[User:PikaPower|'''Pika''']][[User talk:Pikapower|'''Power!''']] ''<big>''[[Special:Contributions/PikaPower|'''☆''']]''</big> 09:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The original Johto PokéDex was made into an electronic toy by Tiger Electronics. It was released with gold colouring rather than the red colour scheme used in the anime and was released as the "PokéDex Deluxe". It featured the spring-loaded hinges as seen in the anime, allowed the user to keep a diary, had an alarm clock and scheduler, could record a list of your top 10 favourite Pokémon and featured entries of the first 251 Pokémon in National Dex order. Have fun.
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

==Johto Pokédex Voice==

Are we sure that Bill Rogers did the voice of the new Johto Pokédex in [[DP143|last week's episode]]? It sounds more like Eric Stuart to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== nicknames ==

in the anime Ash's first pokedex is nicknamed Dexter, do all pokedexes have nicknames or is Dexter just special? --[[User:Maximillion|Maximillion]] 02:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)maximillion
:Just Dexter. I think that was the Dex's program name, or just whatever Prof. Oak decided to call that specific Dex. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Page is confusing ==

Couldn't it be sorted out into the different canons a la Pokémon pages? You know, a section for anime, a section for games, a section for manga, and a section for TCG? I think that'd really help the readability, and we'd get less contradicting information in each paragraph. I'd be willing to help out, but I've never overhauled a page before and this seems like it would be a fair-sized one. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 23:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:One way to start a rewrite, if you've never done one of this scale before, is to create a usersubpage. That way, you can work on the article and it won't disrupt the wiki. I think it's a great idea, and there are a lot of pages that could have a similar expansion. If you want, give it a try :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::I finally got around to it (after I figured out how to make userpages ^^;). [[User:Dragoness/Pokédex]] Just an outline so far, but hopefully ok? [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 03:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::That's looking great. Keep working on it :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I think I finally finished! Could I get someone to approve it or whatever the protocol is? I have a feeling I shouldn't just go and replace it. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 03:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::It looks great! If it were up to me, I'd say go for it!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Doesn't seem to be any objections so I'm going to go ahead and replace it. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 05:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Archived the old one because I'm paranoid: [[User:Dragoness/Pokédex_(archive)]]
:::::::But couldn't it still be seen in the history? Oh, and your user page for the previous article categorizes. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Somehow i like the old version... -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::What do you prefer about it? If there's stuff that got left out, feel free to add it back in. If you don't like organization itself, well, could you give a reason why? Improvement is good. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 09:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Images ==

Is it fair to say that this page has too many images? I think it needs a cleanup. Anyone agree? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 03:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:I put them in galleries before I noticed your message. Still think it's cluttered? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::No, it looks better now. Problem fixed. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 04:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Buttons ==

I noticed in the trivia that it says that the Johto Pokedex from HGSS has no buttons, but the Japanese toy of it and it's Pokemon Adventures counterpart reveals three buttons when it's bottom part is slided. I don't know if in the game it does that. --[[User talk:Renzo493|Renzo493]] 15:30, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Recent reversions ==

I reverted not only because the info is later in the page, but also because the one isn't even really true and the other isn't a summary at all, and both are badly worded. There are different regions and models of Pokédexes, but not types (unless you count the different colours in BW and the non-implemented ones in HGSS), and none of them are truly "special" to any region, especially when you take the National Dex into consideration, and the fact that they keep changing each dex. The second sentence can't even be considered a summary, since it's talking about info that changes in each generation and has misleading information since it implies you only get the weight when you obtain a Pokémon. Maybe if they were reworded into something that was correct or belonged as part of the summary then I could deal with it but as is both are redundant and essentially incorrect. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 08:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:Then fix them, don't remove them. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 13:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Pokédex ==
Are you guys sure that the Isshu Dex has a height/weight comparison feature? I've been playing White extensively, and I see no such feature anywhere. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'd like some clarification on this, too. Is it an upgrade you can get somewhere? I've been checking every time my Pokédex has been upgraded, but so far no comparison features have appeared. I'm hoping they are still there and I've just missed them somehow, they were the most useful thing for getting the scale right when drawing them. [[User:Sockfox|Sockfox]] 12:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Moving the article? ==

[[File:Pokedex logo.png|thumb|right|PokéDex]]
Don't you think this article should be named as ''PokéDex'' instead of ''Pokédex''? Since, the official logo says ''PokéDex'' so we should also follow the same thing. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 03:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:Actually the logo says "PoKéDeX" soo...I kind of doubt that's the best source for proper capitalization. It might be worth checking the spelling in Gen IV games if you're that concerned though. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, didn't notice that. My bad ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 04:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Calling up Oak in HG confirms "Pokédex" as the correct capitalization. :|b [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 23:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Toy Pokedex ==
If one were to put up information about, and images of, the original (HANDY505)Pokédex, would this page be the page where one would put them? [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 04:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pokédex models ==

The models in the descriptions were removed (i.e. HANDY505, HANDY808, etc.) Any reason why they were removed, and should we put them back? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:Done. They were originally removed from the body of the article because the model numbers are only associated with the TCG, but I forgot to put them back in the TCG section. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 10:48, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh? I realize that they are only associated with the TCG, but I still would have thought that they should be put in the respective game sections... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, the TCG and the games don't really overlap, and unless some other canon makes reference to the model numbers, it just seems a bit cluttered to add them to other sections. From what I've seen on other pages, the TCG tends to stay in its own section anyway, right? [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 03:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova Pokedex Voice Actor ==

From hearing the Unova Pokedex's voice in both of yesterday's episodes, I believe that it is voiced by Marc Thompson (Gliscor's voice).

== Dexter ==

why don't we change the "In The Anime" section to an actual article called Dexter?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 00:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
::Because there's not enough there to justify a separate article, I think.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cherrim's Sunshine Form inclusion/issue should be mentioned in Trivia section? ==

Should we also mention this?
''*Although the Pokédex in [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Pokémon Platinum]], {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} allows different forms of a Pokémon to be viewed, Cherrim is the only Pokémon whose alternate form cannot be viewed. Only the Overcast Form and its [[Gender|gender differences]] (although it does not have any) are available.'' - Taken from [[Cherrim_(Pokémon)#Trivia|Cherrim's Trivia]] section.

The Gen IV Pokedex was meant to be able to view ''all'' of the the Pokemon's different forms and gender differences. All except Cherrim was not available for viewing. This might've been largely GameFreak's fault as other Pokemon's forms such as Castform were viewable. Shouldn't we mention this fault? [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 12:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

== Dawn's Unova dex ==

does anyone have a picture they could put up for the gallery?[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 01:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

== Black/White and BW-2 comparison images ==

I think they should be lined up to display the same information. Right now it seems as if the BW/2 Pokedex got rid of the fading effect on the top screen. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] ([[User talk:PowerPlantRaichu|talk]]) 08:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Crystal's HGSS pokedex ==

I found a page in the Heart Gold Soul Silver pokespe manga that features a picture of Crystal and Her new Pokedex. If someone could, can they crop the picture and use it for this page? Link: http://jb2448.info/Pokemon_Adventures_41/Pokemon_Special_v41_c448/Pokemon_Special_v41_c448_166-neuquant [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 21:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

==Who writes the entries?==
I have noticed that some of the entries are very inaccurate and I read somewhere that this is because the protagonist writes the entries and it's possible that sometimes they make things up just to finish the pokedex.{{unsigned|Auragirl}}
:Please make new sections at the bottom of the page and sign your post with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Anyway, that is speculation, not true, and should not be put in the article. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Users ==

Should there be tables for the people who have recieved pokedexes for the anime and manga? If we do, we can possibly mention how the pokedexes are able to be recieved in different colors for the anime, like the lavender or cyan one. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 01:40, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

==List of anime characters with a Pokedex==

Could someone do that? {{unsigned|MattySadler}}

==Question==
Are the last two trivia needed? I don't think so. [[User:TheShinyRoggenrola|TheShinyRoggenrola]] ([[User talk:TheShinyRoggenrola|talk]]) 20:44, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

[[User:Dennou Zenshi|Dennou Zenshi]] has solved this problem. [[User:TheShinyRoggenrola|TheShinyRoggenrola]] ([[User talk:TheShinyRoggenrola|talk]]) 22:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

==International names==
Shouldn't there be a box/table with international names?
Pretty sure it's called "pokedex" for the rest of the world and in japan it's called illustrated encyclopedia. But the korean word for it "도감" translates to "illustrated book" on google translate. Can someone verify that this translation is correct? Thanks. [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 15:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
:Sounds like a great idea. Go for it! [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] ([[User talk:Dragoness|talk]]) 21:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

== X And Y Pokédex: Zigzagoon, (Linoone), Fletchling ==

Would the fact that, when one looks closely at the Pokédex artwork for Pokémon X and Y versions (especially when viewing from the side of the computer screen), one can make out, not only that Fennekin's Pokédex entry is being displayed, but that the Pokédex displays a blank space, then a menu sprite of Zigzagoon, then a blank space, then a menu sprite of Fletchling, implying that the Kalos regional Pokédex has Zigzagoon, Linoone, and then Fletchling listed together in that order be worth mentioning?

Thank you for reading. --[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 22:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
:When we get the full regional dex listing, it'll go on a page specifically for that in the same vein as the [[Hdex|Hoenn Dex]] or [[NUdex|New Unova Dex]]. Until then, I don't think it's notable. Maybe a more general note that Kalos will have a combination of old and new Pokemon (unlike the original Unova Dex), but that's all. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Couldn't this sprite of Fletchling be copied and used on its page? (Just an idea). --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 08:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Kalos Camera ==

Shouldn't it be noted that when the Kalos dex is closed, it looks like the is a camera lens in the center? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 08:45, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

In the trivia, it is said that Ash hasnt owned the new Johto pokedex.
However, he doesn't own even the new kanto pokedex.
Shouldn't this be corrected?
[[User:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] ([[User talk:PikaTepig999|talk]]) 10:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

== Concerning X & Y's Pokédex ==

Something I've noticed:
Almost all Pokémon can be rotated 360 degrees, through the form page...Except for Mega Gengar, which can only be rotated right to left.
What's up with that? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:59, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Friend Safari

2013-11-26T05:33:06Z

Pringles:

==Page Creation==
Will somebody that can make pages actually start this so we can edit it or give me permission to? The friend safari is actually a very fascinating place that needs to be covered! [[User:ViperByte|ViperByte]] ([[User talk:ViperByte|talk]]) 17:47, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:Didn't even see this message until I went and did it..... Problem solved. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon not obtainable anywhere but the Friend Safari ==
When adding locations to Pokémon articles, what do we do about these kinds of Pokémon? For example, I have X where Pupitar is unavailable. I caught one in the Friend Safari. Do we put that it's available in both games via Friend Safari? Also, a friend of mine got a Charmeleon from the Friend Safari. Do we list that as a location too? The thing is, everyone gets different Pokémon so that's where I'm not sure. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to answer with my own opinion using both examples you've given.
:*For Pupitar, I would say for both X and Y have "Friend Safari" and "Evolve Larvitar" as options, and for Y only, have the locations it can appear in naturally (Route 18 and Terminus Cave, I believe) in addition.
:*For Charmeleon, I would say to have "Evolve Charmander" and "Friend Safari" for both games, and leave it at that, since those are the only two ways in either game that it can be obtained.
:Anyway, this is just one opinion, but I would say to only ever have "Trade" as an option if there isn't another way to obtain it (besides Evolution), for example, this. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

IMHO, I don't think we should list the Friend Safari as a 'game location' for any species, pretty much ever. My reasoning for this is:
* Friend Safari is not like previous Safari Zones with a fixed selection of wild Pokémon that you can catch all of; it is not like [[Pokéwalker]] or [[Pokémon Dream World]] of previous games either. Because ''what'' you can catch depends on ''who'' is registered in your 3DS Friend List (requiring personal exchange of Friend Codes), we can never guarantee that a specific Pokemon ''will'' be available in a ''specific'' player's game.
* While we obviously do not have a full list, so far almost ''any'' non-legendary Pokémon (including wild [[starter Pokémon]]) can be caught in the Friend Safari with the correct friends registered. So for Pokemon that are more likely to be acquired via evolution (e.g. {{p|Fletchinder}}), mentioning Friend Safari is about as notable as mentioning that you can acquire a Pokemon from the [[GTS]].

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::Given that the amount of Pokémon unavailable in X & Y is over 100 and given the fact that many Pokémon in X & Y cannot be caught there, I think it's relevant to mention it where applicable. We list Regirock, Regice and Registeel being catchable in Platinum despite needing an event Pokémon that can no longer be acquired. Besides, listing the location of all these Pokémon as Trade would imply that they can't be caught in Gen VI at all to at least some people. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::I agree with Blazios, with the added stipulation that I think we should treat it like the Dream World in Gen 5: mention it ''only'' if the Pokemon is not otherwise available in-game. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::We mentioned every single occurrence of a Pokémon appearing in the Dream World in Gen V and continue to list them even though they're gone forever, I don't see why this should be any different. I do think the template could use a slight tweaking for it, especially for Pokémon that are version exclusive outside the Friend Safari but available in both versions otherwise. Omitting the information from articles completely for Pokémon that are otherwise obtainable would imply that the Pokémon can't be found in Gen VI with its Hidden Ability (not counting Pokémon found in Hordes and their relatives, naturally). - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 18:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ah; I was mistaken on how we treated the Dream World, then. (Did we used to do it the way I said, and then switched to having a separate row for it? I'm not sure how else I could've gotten confused about that...) In that case, why not follow the Dream World/Pal Park's example and make a separate row in the template for the Friend Safari? That's the easiest and most reader-friendly way I can think to incorporate the version exclusivity question you mentioned and to prevent clutter for Pokemon that appear both in FS and in-game. Then, in later versions, if the Friend Safari availability is the same, we can treat it as we currently do the Dream World and Pal Park; and if it's different, we can rename the row "Friend Safari{{sup/6|XY}}" and add a row for the other version(s). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I suppose it would be possible to have it under a separate header like the Dream World and then list the Safari type in the location? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 20:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
(reset)

I'm going to repeat what I wrote at [[User talk:Force Fire#Friend Safari as a location|Force Fire's talk page]].

My suggestion is that any Pokémon catchable in a Friend Safari is notated as such, perhaps with a note stating that the Pokémon in each friend's Safari is random and is based on friend code. Thus, all 216 Pokémon (guessing there are 12 of each of the 18 types, some may be fewer) would be listed as Friend Safari with a note explaining the circumstances, and that listing is identical for all 216.

The reason I take this stance is because all Pokémon CAN be found there. We should be listing where Pokémon CAN potentially be found, not excluding entries because they must be found through a friend with the correct Safari to find it in. USers who have no friends (sad as that sounds, it does happen with younger players quite often since they're not as wired to the Internet and have very few fellow players to play with) will only find the three in their own Safaris. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm all for this suggestion. As I've said before, I think it would be incredibly lax of the wiki that aims for comprehensive articles on Pokémon games to blatantly disregard such a large feature of X & Y on so many articles. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 04:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::I was under the impression{{tt|*|I don't have X/Y and I'm vaguely trying to avoid spoilers, so my knowledge is indirect and incomplete.}} that the Friend Safari only had a selection of Pokemon, and not "almost any non-legendary"...But still, I would consider listing Friend Safari locations in a similar manner as the Dream World is currently listed to be a better solution than not listing the Friend Safari as a possible location at all. If I may have to do whatever amount of work, that's fine; just don't make me think that there's absolutely no way to get a Pokemon in Gen VI when I might be able to get it in the Friend Safari. If I know it's available in the Friend Safari, then I can decide whether I want to bother with that; but if you won't tell me, I can't even begin to make that decision. (And I have this thing about wanting to get as much as possible within whatever Generation I'm playing. So I definitely want to know.)
::And regarding if the Friend Safari changes in a Gen VI game after X/Y, it might be simpler to just handle it like a version exclusive Pokemon (like [[Gothita#Game locations|Gothita]]) and just say it's only in the Friend Safari in X/Y or only in Z (or whatever). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, it occurs to me that the "problem" of variable Pokemon in the Friend Safari is very analogous to the situation with White Forest. Certainly the Friend Safari has more possible Pokemon, but the fact is that you also can't "guarantee" that any player will actually have a Pokemon listed as being in "White Forest" in their game. You have to do some work. Just like for the Friend Safari. Yet White Forest locations are listed. So too should Friend Safari locations be (in some manner, at least). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} {{tt|Gonna respond to a few people at once here|Read: this conversation is a mess}}, so bear with me. 
As far as the initial issue goes, I've already given my opinion, and it's been expanded on plenty. There should certainly be something noted on the species pages, and this may be a whole lot easier once we learn more about what can show up. 
To Cyclone: Simple issue, but as far as I'm aware, you cannot access your ''own'' Friend Safari, only that of a person registered as your friend. So people with no friends are, for lack of a better term, SOL in that regard. 
To Tiddlywinks: As you can see, this list is still a work in progress. It seems, so far, we only have a fraction of what is available. What we do know is that it's based off of the friend code. This goes for type and the three Pokémon that are available. So if, for example, both me and say Cyclone were to resister you in our systems, we would both have access to the same type Safari with the same three Pokémon. At the current moment, that's really all we know. We haven't really been given evidence to say what ''can't'' show up. Yet, at the moment, it seems Legends are out, and starters from Gen II-V are not showing up. As far as finding out the remaining details, I did start a [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f693/friend-safari-formula-158298/ thread] a while back trying to solve this mystery, {{tt|but no one has given any response yet.|shameless bump}} [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 14:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:Having looked around for a while, the list of Pokémon available is pretty much complete (I've seen people claim the existence of Lapras in the Water type Safari, though I can't confirm it myself. That's the single one I've seen that's missing from the list here). Serebii claims that each Pokémon is set to a specific spot on the Safari, meaning that some are unobtainable until the other person beats the Elite Four (we can't go copying from Serebii and would need to research this further, but I've yet to see a single Pokémon that contradicts his list), though aside from that we seem to have it all there. As we can see, this means that plenty of Pokémon don't appear here and, as I keep droning on about, not listing it is inconsistent with the way the wiki is with providing comprehensive information on articles. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::Replying to Schiffy: I'm not there yet, so I did not know that. This is very interesting.
::Otherwise I am backing what Blazios said. There is nothing comprehensive about excluding information on where Pokémon can be caught from their respective articles. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Tiddlywinks brought up a great point that I hadn't considered. The Friend Safari mechanic is very similar to the White Forest wild Pokémon. We should handle them both the same way. I would rather we list these Pokémon on both pages, but I also understand that we shouldn't let appearances in the Friend Safari stop the Pokémon from being considered version-exclusive. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Any word on this? I've lost count of the amount of people who've tried to add this information to articles, assuming that we'd forgotten to add it. Unless someone wants to add a notice to the page of every single Pokémon that can be found in the Friend Safari, saying to not put that it can be found in the Friend Safari for some reason (in which case, why not spend the time adding the information to the articles). I still don't see the logic in not guaranteed to get=does not exist. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 13:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Berrenta}} (and possibly others? but as far as I've noticed, mostly Berrenta) is continually removing these Friend Safari entries, but we have no solid consensus on this page, and in fact, the only admin to post here (SnorlaxMonster) just said we should handle them like White Forest — i.e., list them. What are we gonna do? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:03, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I was removing because there's no guarantee a certain Pokémon will appear, like {{u|Stratelier}} mentioned earlier. If we are going to list Friend Safaris eventually, I'll be fine with that; I can always undo my own edits if needed. However, I'd suggest that if we are listing it, then it should have its own section of the template (like Dream World and Pal Park). For now, I can hold off the notices I was placing until there's a consensus. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::So what if there's no guarantee that the Pokémon will appear. By not saying that it can be found in the Friend Safari, it's like saying "this Pokémon can't be found in this game at all", which is wrong and misleading. It should be mentioned that it can be found in the Friend Safari. If someone doesn't understand the mechanics of the Friend Safari and doesn't know why they can't find that Pokémon, they can just read the page on it, which will be linked. If someone wants a Pokémon badly enough, they could keep adding friends until they find a Safari with that Pokémon and maybe even keep adding friends until they get all the Pokémon available. It should be mentioned on Pokémon pages that they can be found here. I feel that even if they are found elsewhere in the game, it should be mentioned too. It's an in-game location for the Pokémon and it's important. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::You have a valid point there, Solar Dragon. I think we should bring this to a poll, either here or in the forums, so we all can decide who's in favor. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/friend-safari-pok%C3%A9mon-pages-159320/ I've made a thread here]. There's not a poll because I dislike polls and prefer discussion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Finding the type based on Friend Code ==

So, it's clear that the type of a certain person's Friend Safari is based on their System's Friend Code, but what I'm curious to find out is if someone can find exactly how this is done. I could imagine the calculation isn't a world different from calculating whether a Pokémon will be Shiny based on its personality value or similar equations that have been used in games past. But if anyone can find it, it would be a useful addition to the article. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Spreadsheet ==

This spreadsheet may assist you in figuring out what you have and don't have out of the Friend Safari. Tell me if you have any comments/suggestions/questions!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hK...?usp=drive_web

Download away! (.xlsx) {{unsigned|Namelessdeath}}

== Friend Codes and Friend Safari Areas ==

Should we have separate Sub-Pages, or just somewhere on the page, to add Friend Codes for various different types so that we can add the type we want.--[[User:Ditto51|Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 22:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
:Explaining how a friend code determines what type is in each person's Friend Safari is fine. Listing people's friend codes, or trading friend codes is something that's better left to the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php forums]. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 22:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
::I think if someone is ''willing'' to offer theirs for examples sake so we can figure out the relation, it might be okay to add.... [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 02:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
::Coming back to this, I've tried different manners of calculations combining XORs and Modulo 18s to see where it gets me, using the codes I have registered and the types they match up to. I've come up with no ascertainable pattern. If we can get a single forum thread going dedicated to finding the key with people who would, again, be willing to offer their codes for testing purposes, we ''just'' might get somewhere. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== IVs ==

Every pokemon I catch here has 2 random perfect IVs of 31. I don't think it's just me, it's gotta be a fact and worth sharing. [[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 19:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)DuelKING[[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 19:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can confirm this one (aside from the fact that Serebii had it, I've tested it plenty of times myself). What I've also noticed, but I'm not sure if this is an always, but two Pokémon in a row that I caught in the Safari also had two random really low IVs (the calculators I used all gave me 0-3 at Level 30 with no EVs, and I would not be surprised if they turned out to be just 0). [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::The Pokemon always having two perfect IVs is true. The other part, having two really low IVs is not. Also, the IV checker in Kiloude's Pokemon Center will also tell you if they have 0 IVs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::To build on this, it seems that the game will allow for three or more perfect IVs by chance, so I doubt there are stats forced lower by the Friend Safari. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::However, why doesn't the IVs show in super training? [[User:Superbobbobbob3|Superbobbobbob3]] ([[User talk:Superbobbobbob3|talk]]) 15:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Based on data I've seen from Friend Safari users in the chat room, most Pokémon run through the bot command !piv from the Safari tend to have three perfect IVs suggested, even though without training which three cannot be confirmed. Also, a few of these Pokémon have higher IVs in the ones that are not perfect, so the others are not necessarily lower. I'll have access to my Safari soon (which I've been told is Ghost, I have no idea why I got stuck with that) and I plan to catch some Pokémon and see what kind of numbers I end up with. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Er, it's actually extremely easy to see which IVs are perfect without any training whatsoever. The IV guy is in the Pokemon Center in the same town, and he mentions every perfect IV. And having access to mine, it's a complete crapshoot whether the other IVs are good or not. I've had good to perfect in the others, and IVs that were 0. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I'm not there yet, so I keep forgetting that guy is there. I'll catch up soon. I have been taking my time trying to get data for the Wiki and not actually speeding through the game. I do have access to Victory Road but have yet to visit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon Chance Increased ==
I have noticed that various places have said that have found a shiny pokemon very easy in the friend safari (Clamed to be a 1/300 chance and in the friend safari it takes a lest 24 minuets to find one and five hours at the most.). This is some we should test out {{unsigned|Superbobbobbob3}}

==names==
I have noticed that the list with your friends on it will sometimes have different names on it than the ones used in their games. Where does the safari get your friends names from? {{Unsigned|Auragirl}}
:The names used in the Friend Safari match the names of the Mii on the 3DS corresponding to that person's code, rather than their X/Y character name. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Hidden Abilities ==

From my own experience, Pokémon cannot be found with their Hidden Ability unless that Trainer has 3 Pokémon available (so has defeated the Champion then been online at the same time as you). I am weary about adding this though, as it is only from empirical tests, and is not conclusively known. It's very easy to falsify, not so easy to prove. If anyone has found a Pokémon with its Hidden Ability in the Friend Safari with only 2 Pokémon, please reply here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can test this. I have a large number of friends with only two Pokémon (not playing in other words) and am cruising around Safaris right now. If I get any hidden abilities I'll update with all details except for the user info (obviously). Meanwhile, the infobox is oddly stretched on the page; not sure if this can be fixed? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

== Lapras and Shuppet ==

Can someone confirm if Lapras and Shuppet are available via Water and Ghost Safaris, respectively?

[[User:Katrinuh|Katrinuh]] ([[User talk:Katrinuh|talk]]) 00:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:I can confirm Shuppet. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 04:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== Not Listing in Avaliblity ==

According to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Larvesta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=0&oldid=2024447 this edit], the wiki isn't listing Friend Safari. If no one minds me asking, why not? [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 22:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:Still discussing it. Not came to a conclusion. Look above, at the huge discussion. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::I hope we get a clear decision soon. I really don't like removing the Friend Safari listings, to be honest. Many of us have voiced our opinions on the matter. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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== Shinies ==

Really, is there any way to determine whether or not the chances are higher than normal? It seems like lots of people have found shinies here (I found a shiny Boldore my first time in), which may or may not be significant? Is hacking necessary for numbers? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2013-11-26T05:05:06Z

Pringles:

==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of "means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon"), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.
:::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It's part of the "pattern" that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
(unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==

You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==

Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}
:That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Something unique about Metagross ==

Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Ability capitalization ==

A user with permission could change "ability" to "Ability" in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
:As the protection log notes: "''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''" - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

== Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==

* "Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch."

Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Minor RFEs ==

Playing the Grammar Nazi card....

Under the Metagross section, there is this line:

:"This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon."

The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.

And under Garchomp's section:

:"It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,"

Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Use by gym leaders ==

Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Pages ==
I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...
Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're "pseudo-legendary Pokémon" up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to "Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)". It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say "X is a Y-type Eeveelution". What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. "Pseudo-legendary" is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

== Metagross in Gen III ==

I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra ==

So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

<blockquote> "Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly" </blockquote>
:Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==

enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Users ==

Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's already in the article. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra Description ==

Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==

You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolutions ==

Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Counting error ==

With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mistaken ==

Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
:They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that "pseudo-legendary" is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be "mistaken" for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== mainly shared weakness? ==

I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}
:Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, "All but one" is not notable trivia. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think it can be added to the "Individual characteristics" section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

== Information about Goodra ==

Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== "All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime" ==

Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokérus

2013-11-26T04:27:12Z

Pringles:

In my Pokémon Gold game, My Pokémon with PokéRus doesn't infect others stored in the PC, and doesn't even become immune unless it's in my party. For me there's only a chance that others become infected when I heal at the Pokémon Center, not automatic as the article implies. My Pokémon take about two days to heal. But before I edit the page, I wanted to ask if it is possible that PokéRus can act different for different trainers? -- [[user:Slim|Slim]]

That's how PokeRus should act. It spreads within the party, and a pogey in the PC will not lose PokeRus status. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 14:21, 6 October 2005 (CDT)

== Pokemon Rocks America ==

I got a Ho-Oh and Lugia from Pokemon Rocks America 2005, and a Metang, but none of them have PokeRus, as it states in the article. [[User:Lukario|Lukario]] 18:19, 28 November 2005 (CST)

== Glitch? ==

Wait, is PokéRus a glitch? -- [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 19:34, 29 July 2007 {EST}

::No. PokéRus is not a glitch. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 00:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Telling if a wild pokemon has pokerus ==

i heard on a website that to get pokerus that you had to catch a pokemon with it, and to tell if it had pokerus ( while it's still in the wild) that it would have a status condition when it first appears. is this true?
:No. You can't tell if a wild Pokémon has PokéRus, however, you can catch the disease from it without catching the Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 08:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
::thanks [[User:Amben27|amben]] 04:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Day care? ==

Does the virus wear off in the day care center? I just got a Tangela, and I want to breed it but I want the virus to spread to my team too. >_>; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it will, but you could just spread it around before throwing it in the daycare by leaving it fifth in the party and battling random things. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh shi-- good thing I got a good natured Tangela within the fifth egg. *runs off to Day care grabbing Tangela and sticks in party* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Hm, my Pokérus Ditto breeder is still infecting, after five days in the daycare. Has anyone's virus wore off? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

==Egg==
Is it possible to get a pokerus from a egg. My friend told me that he had. --[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']][[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']][[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']] 23:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:My sister got PokéRus from an egg.. the virus spread to the egg, though, then the egg spread it around the party. When it hatched, however, it was immune. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I mean the egg hatched from the daycare, and it had pokerus. --[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']][[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']][[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']] 00:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Eggs can get it, you likely got it on the egg soon after getting the egg from the daycare, and didn't check it until after it got the rus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Eggs can get Pokerus too: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/7/70/Pokerus_egg.jpg but when it hatched, the burmy inside still had it. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== No middle caps ==

This is an excerpt from Pokémon Diamond at the Pokémon Center: 
''(...)'' 
''Little is known about the Pokérus except that they are microscopic life-forms that attach to Pokémon.'' 
''While infected, Pokémon are said to grow exceptionally well.'' 
It's only two ocurrences of the word. Where did it appear with middle caps originally anyway? In some summary of the [[SS008|Oaknapped episode]]? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's how everything with Poké is spelled. It's a Poké Ball, it's PokéRus. Etc. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 06:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Well, this one resulted being an exception :). I'm just trying to help by using spelling from the game. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::You know? I believe it's because "-rus" is a suffix and not a word. You can bet /pokevirus/ would be spelt "PokéVirus" for sure, hehe. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 07:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Conditions for immunization? ==

I have the impression that the immunization of my infected party happened too early... I didn't walk too much, and closed my DS without turning it off by about 30 minutes. In Generation IV, does it depend on certain number of steps, or on real time? Remember that the DS does have a clock.
Sadly I saved twice, and never noticed that my party was already immune before the second save (I managed to store only 1 infected Pokémon). --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:My experience shows a Pokémon only immunizes if it is in your party at midnight. If you leave your Pokémon in your party, instead of storing it at a box or at the daycare, turn off the game and turn it on again after midnight passes, the Pokémon will be immunized. It will also immunize if the game is on, anyway.-- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The article for Pokerus says "Any Pokémon on the player's party at the moment the system clock reaches midnight after a certain number of days in that position...will become immune." Does that refer to the position of the Pokémon WITHIN the player's party or the fact that the Pokémon is in the player's party?--[[User:Trashninja|Trashninja]] ([[User talk:Trashninja|talk]]) 08:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

== In [[Pokémon Firered|FireRed]] ==

I have a [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros]] in Firered, but I can't make it infect my other pokemon in the party. How is this? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 00:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Have they already had it?[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]

::nopes. I know that pokemon get a black dot when they already had it 'cause my brother has PokéRus too, so I asked him to infect my pokemon too. I traded him my tauros, so he infected it and traded it back, but I can't make my pokemon get it too. =( [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 04:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strange. My cousin traded me a Dialga with PokéRus, it infected my party and I traded it back. The Rus spread all around. I wonder...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:10 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Pokémon can't be infected in FRLG since there's no clock. It never spreads, but it never goes away either. The games are like a giant PC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Ah...I see. -thinks about it- So an infected Pokémon traded to Red/Blue/Green/Yellow and traded back will still have the Rus? '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:16 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::From Gen II to Gen I, I'm not too sure. But from RSE to FRLG, it'll be made permanent for however long it's in FRLG. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::In Gen II pokerus acts as any held item when traded to Gen I: it's still there, but you can't see it. When you trade back from Gen I to Gen II, the pokemon will still have its held item, shiny status and pokerus. =) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== quick way ==

what is the quickest way to spread it?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Dakclaw
Dakclaw
:Battle. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== Obtained the Pokérus today ==

Sup guys, I obtained the Pokérus today while (I believe) wandering around the Fuego Ironworks. I was told I had them when I healed my party at a pokecenter by Nurse Joy. I currently have 4 infected right now, but I don't want to trade any of them. If anyone can tell me how to infect lots of other pokemon very fast, I'll be more than happy to trade you an infected guy (hopefully for something to make it worthwhile). I've never done wifi trading before, so I will have to learn that as well...Anyone got any advice?--[[User:Dragonite42|Dragonite42]] 06:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:Battle. Battle, get all six infected, switch out all but one, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::I obtained a {{p|Bidoof}} through the GTS with the Pokérus (its nickname is even Pokerus). I haven't found a use for it though, so it's just hanging out at my Ranch. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Ok, hmmm, is there a place on Bulbapedia to organize trades? I've got about 20 infected so far. I don't know if pokemon stored in the computer become uninfected after 2 days though. --[[User:Dragonite42|Dragonite42]] 00:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that a boxed Pokémon will infect others. Also, most users will say to use the forums to organize trades. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

hey, Im using my wii to type this (computer's broken) so I cant really edit much on this question.
I just read from the article that a pokemon will continue to gain double EVs even after being immunized. Is this true, because I havent heard about this from any other website?
:Yeah, it's true ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hey!! ==

Pokémon Eggs can be infected in RSE too. Not only in DP! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Absolutely right. should this be be stated in the article?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 04:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== After the infection ==

"Though the virus is gone, its positive effects will remain, most specifically the ability for that Pokémon to gain double EVs." I've heard myself that it gains 2x EV's when it has the PokéRus sign and then 1.5x EV's when it wears off. Which one is correct? UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:its always 2x EVs, the only difference when the pokemon is cured is that it cant pass the infection on. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

== More Specific Info about spreading ==

Do we have more info on spreading? Such as odds, formulas, methods for quick spreading... we already know it will spread after battle, but the results vary much. Once I had three eggs infected with one battle, and another time it took me 5 battles to infect one pokémon of five "clean". Don't we have more info? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Immunization and Species ==

It seems we have a disagreement on how immunization happens. From my own experience, no Pokémon lasts more than one midnight with the Pokérus active(in Pokémon Diamond). Please provide testimonials to extend the concept. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 16:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:I've gotten strains in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]] last more than one midnight in the party. In fact, I've NEVER had a Pokérus in Generation II that vanished after just one midnight. The strain I got in [[Generation III]] lasted only one midnight, regardless of whether it was cured in Generation III or Generation IV. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:: Would you mind specifying which ones? I've infected a Treecko in one night at 11PM, and at midnight it was immune. Not to mention once I was trading with a person, was waiting for him to get online with an infected Squirtle(hatched and infected the same night) and it got immune. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 16:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Drugs... ==

So if a Pokémon has the Pokérus, does it affect the amount of EVs it gains when it takes drugs? For example, a Carbos usually gives 10 Speed EVs. Will this increase to 20 with the addition of Pokérus, or are the drugs not affected by it?--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 11:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
: No, the only EVs affected are the ones given by battling. Vitamins will still give 10EVs. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 18:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== "small life forms" ==
Technically it is incorrect to say that because a virus is not a life form, although it does infect living things. Just thought I'd throw that out =p. [[User:DesiAdame|DesiAdame]] 05:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Try emailing Nintendo. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear you out. We, unfortunately, can't do anything about that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::I assume Pokérus is a portmanteau of Pokémon and Virus. Viruses isn't a life form. They're agents that survive off other living things.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I suppose you could be pedantic if you really wanted, but you never know, viruses in the Pokémon world may be alive... it wouldn't be the most farfetch'd thing in that game (ucwutididthar?)--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]]
:::As I recall, the Pokémon Center's nurse tells about it. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 06:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Someone go get a screenshot(s) of it. The article could use it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the nurse does talk to you about it, but only the first time you present it to her.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Didn't Work ==

My brother had pokerus long ago in his party pokemon and he managed to clone his favorite pokemon, a level 100 Luxray and trade it from his Pearl to my Platinum as a gift, so I could get through the Victory Road as fast as I could because I was desperate to migrate from my Emerald, but when I got to the elite 4 and cured my pokemon in that pokemon center nurse joy told me about pokerus, that my pokemon had it now, but I though she was talking about the luxray that had had it, so I tried it again with other pokemon he gave me with pokerus and she didn't tell me a thing about it, so I thought she wasn't counfused, and that my other party pokemon had it, but they never had the Status "pokerus" and do not have the smiley face, I know how it looks, can see it in other pokemon but the pokemon of mine that should have it don't have it, how's that possible? didn't do anything!! It just wore away and left everthing the same!! They don't have it! like if they had never, even though nurse Joy told me they did. That happened long ago, so it's really gone. Do you understand what I say? LOL. I had read this article before that happened to me and it said that it goes away, and PC storage, etc, I did it all but didn't work. MY POKEMON DON'T HAVE IT EVEN AFTER NURSE JOY TOLD MY THEY DID!! [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 17:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think that it may just not have spread from your Luxray. Every time you battle, I think that there's a chance of the other Pokémon in your party getting infected (correct me if I'm wrong here, I may be wrong on the mechanics). But the principle is, I think that the virus just didn't spread to the rest of your Pokémon. Not only that, but the nurse at the Pokémon Center will only tell you about the existence of Pokérus the first time you heal a Pokémon with it, she won't mention it again after that. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 08:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

::I don't think that only Luxray caught it because in the first place LOL I had it already before and it can't get infected again wich means other of my party pokemon had it... but somehow it cured it and and the effects didn't stay...oh well anyway thanks for helping :D, it doen't matter anymore to me because I had to restart my game so those pokemon are lost, I only brought it up because I though the article could be a lil wrong and could add somewhere that pokerus can be lost :(. Thank you [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible to determine ''why'' a pokemon receives this disease?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 16:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Not unless you catch the one random wild Pokémon you encounter with it from the wild. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== Let us suppose ==

we have a milotic, which is holding a power lens, and has pokerus. this milotic of ours beats a gastly, which gives 1 special attack ev. how many special attack EVs will our milotic get? [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 15:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
: Gastly gives 1EV in SAtk, then Power Lens gives an extra 4EVs. Pokérus will then double the total to 10EVs. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 18:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Figured out how Pokérus transfers! ==

So this is for Generation IV only as I haven't tested it with other gens.
YES you can place an infected pokemon in the box and it WILL keep the virus.
NO the virus will not transfer to other pokemon in the box (and if it does it takes well over two weeks of gameplay)
YES the infected pokemon will spread the virus to others in your party, AFTER BATTLES. So in order to get the Pokérus spread you have to have an infected pokemon in your party. --[[User:Bageese|Bageese]] 02:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokerus on a Shiny Pokemon? ==

If the chance of Finding a Shiny pokemon is somewher around 1/8000 or something, and the chance of finding a Wild pokemon with Pokerus is around 3/60000, then what is the chance of Finding a Shiny Pokemon with Pokerus in the wild?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 14:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Around 1/160,000,00, I suppose. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

==POKeRUS removed in G1?==

This article states that POKeMON with POKeRUS in G2, infected or cured, would have all traces
of POKeRUS removed if traded to G1. Does this mean that their stats (that were boosted by POKeRUS) stay, but if traded back to G2, they could get it again? [[User:Tharthan|Tharthan]] 19:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== What are the odds? ==

I have been playing Pokémon for about 9 years now (My first game was Silver) and never once in the entire time I have played it or Gold, Crystal, FireRed, or SoulSilver encountered a Shiny Pokémon (other than the usual suspect of the Red Gyarados) or a Pokémon with Pokérus, and yet it seems like everyone talks about getting them like its a common everyday thing to get, nor does it seem like I can ever get my Pokémon to breed at the daycare as it seems they never like each other. More often then not when I battle with friends they always seem to have the hyper powerful Pokémon that they leveled up from the breeding process with Pokérus that easily 1-shot my Pokémon of the exact same type and level with absolutley no difficulty whatsoever... Is there any way to increase my chances of getting Shiny Pokémon or one with Pokérus? Or do I have to just grind it out? {{unsigned|HandofCreation0}}
:How about you [[Shiny Pokémon|read]] the [[Pokérus|articles]]? D: The chances. and all the mechanics. are right there. Right where they're supposed to be. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 19:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::#Pokemon need to be compatible in order to breed. See [[Pokémon breeding]].
::#Pokerus, once found, can be easily cultivated and spread. See [[Pokérus]].
::#There are methods to improve your chances of finding shiny Pokemon. See [[Masuda method]] and [[Poké Radar]].
::#Please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
::[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

==Pokérus Spread and Traded Pokemon==

Not too long ago, I got Pokérus in SoulSilver. This was the first time I'd ever gotten Pokérus, so naturally I took advantage of the next opportunity I got to trade some Pokérus vectors into my Diamond version. I then tried to spread Pokérus to the rest of my party from the two infected Poliwags I sent over. I battled several times--must have been around ten--with no successful spreading, which I thought was odd, since it never took more than one or two battles in SoulSilver. Somewhat annoyed, I went back to the nearest Pokémon Center to heal my party, and then got the speech from the nurse about them finding Pokérus on my Pokémon (since I hadn't yet taken the Poliwags to any Pokémon center). After that, I was able to spread Pokérus just as efficiently as I had on SoulSilver. So is it just coincidence, or will Pokérus on traded Pokémon be unable to spread until they're brought to a Pokémon Center for the first time? If it's not a coincidence, it might be worth mentioning in the article. [[User:HerbieHero|HerbieHero]] 20:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== I get the idea, but: ==

So the EVs a Pokemon receives in battle are doubled, that I can understand. But does it double the total amount of EVs a Pokemon will end up with?

I guess what I'm saying is, will a Pokemon that has been infected by the Pokerus have higher stats at lv100 than a Pokemon that never caught the disease? [[User:Shady|Shady]] 20:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Nope. It simply makes it easier/faster for a Pokemon to reach maximum EVs. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Pokérus "Image" ==

The Purple Pokérus rectangle has a problem. Because of Bulbapedia having a white background, the top of the P and the bottom of the K is invisble unless the letters are highlighed. Is that OK? Should something be done to "fix" it? [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 03:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not having problems with it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's hardly productive. We should strive to improve what we have, not shrug at the prospect of improvement. Just because you can live without the changes doesn't mean they shouldn't be made. [[User:Shady|Shady]] 18:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Um... what? I was saying that ''on my computer I don't see anything wrong with it'', not that "Oh, yeah, we could maybe fix it, but I don't give a crap." There is 1 row of purple pixels that should probably be {{tt|added to the top|which I don't know if it can be done}}, since yeah, the top of the P does blend a little. There isn't anything wrong on the K that I can see, though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PKRS screenshot.png|thumb|right|What it looks like on my computer.]]
::::My bad, I completely misunderstood what you meant. I've uploaded a screenshot of the problem as it appears on a Mac OS X with 1280 x 800 resolution, using the latest version of Firefox. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://i41.tinypic.com/2zxxxud.jpg This] is what it looks like in IE. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I just checked it in Safari and Google Chrome and it looks okay. Firefox seems to be the only browser that doesn't show all of it. Any ideas? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's not Firefox that's the problem, [http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/Werdnae/PKRS.png This] is what it looks like for me, I'm using Firefox running in Vista at 1366 x 768. I think it must be the combination of Firefox and OS X that is causing the problem. And yes, I'm using the latest version of firefox, I've got it updating itself automatically. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Wow. Is it even possible to fix it if it's that specific? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 23:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Mm... I don't think you can, since it isn't a template, but a text format. Do the letters still look odd in this: PK<sc>rs</sc> And then: PK<sc>rs</sc> '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) They don't look odd when you're normal using super and subscript, but when you add the background color they do. It seems to be the background color that's causing the problem. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 00:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Check that- I think the problem is that the font of the actual letters is white. The background color doesn't stretch vertically to fit the top of the "P" and the bottom of the "K", and since the letters are white, they can't be seen against a white background. The letters still show up on my screen if I do this: PK<sc>rs</sc> They're just out of the background "box". [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 00:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm.. it looks different here on the talk page than it does on the article itself... and it looks different when the last changes are being viewed also. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Hopefully this will remedy the problem. The page now uses the infection icon shown on the Gen IV status screen. If there are still problems, please don't hesitate to report them. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That's much easier to see anyways than using text. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Pokérus and EVs==
I know this doesn't have much to do with Pokerus really but more so the larger subject of EVs in general. But i have some questions related to ensuring that your pokemon gain as many EVs as they can in as few levels as they can.

1. Seeing as a traded pokemon gains Exp at an accelerated rate does it also gain EVs at an accelerated rate?

2. Is the surest way to gain the maximum of EVs per level and thusly gain the highest stat boosts available to battle a huge amount of low leveled pokemon that give you as low an amount of experience possible? Can you max out EVs aquired in this manner or do the amount of EVs and the amount of exp directly coorespond? Maybe making a guide on how to ensure that your pokemon gain as manyb EV's in as few levels as possible would be a great contribution to bulbapedia, I would try but am brand new to this and really am still getting to know how the site works, thanks
-Drake
:Seeing as you are a new contributor, you probably won't know this, but it is better to ask these questions on the [bmgf.bulbagarden.net forums] instead of a talk page. Additionally, please sign your comments with 4 tildes (~) and put new comments at the bottom of the page. Anyways, here are the answers for your questions
:1. No, as EVs aren't directly tied to experience. It is more tied to the Pokémon fainted
:2. I'm not sure, but I think that is the way to EV train and maximize stats.
:I'm pretty sure these can be seen on the [[Effort Values|EV]] page, however. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry for messing the page up. I'll erase my stuff {{unsigned|Drake}}
:Actually, we'd prefer it if it stayed here—policy is to keep everything except the ridiculous. Sorry for the inconvenience. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon with Pokerus ==

On my Pokemon Platinum game, I just traded with myself (with my Pokemon Diamond game) and before I traded, Dialga (and yes this is who we're talkin' 'bout) didn't have Pokerus but when I traded it in to Pokemon Platinum, I put it straight into my PC still with no Pokerus and then the next day I went on my Pokemon Platinum, there was a smiley face on Dialga and a Smiley face in Generation IV means that there was Pokerus on that Pokemon. Is that even Possible?--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|Lilkaykaygal]] 07:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Well, I have heard of similar happenings, it could be a glitch. Or there might be a small chance of it spreading in the PC. If someone could read the game's coding and find out, that would be useful. Or it was just a once-in-a-lifetime thing. But still, that is interesting. Do u use action replay, cause it could be some strange occasional side effect. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

::Pokérus doesn't spread in the PC, Desu, so there isn't a chance of that. And an AR wouldn't screw that up either, because this is game-to-game stuff. I'll dig around for an answer on the forums. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

:::No, I don't use Action Replay or anything. I hate how people cheat in games. I just go by gameplay. Everything was absolutely normal.--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Chances of Encountering Pokérus? ==

In Generation III onwards, does Pokérus still have a 3 in 65,536 chance of being encountered on a wild/bred pokémon like in Generation II? The article states that it became easier in later generations to get Pokérus because of certain event pokémon and the GTS, but doesn't make it clear if the chance of the virus being generated was improved since its introduction. And if it has been changed, does anyone know what the rate is now? [[User:Wannabe|Wannabe]] 17:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== The internal battery has run dry... ==

Up till recently I have been exclusively a generation one Pokémon player (Red Version more specifically); but recently I was given gold, silver, crystal, and ruby versions of the game. I had begun playing one of the generation two games, played it for about an hour; saved the game and turned it off. When I returned to the game a while later I discovered the disappointing fact that the save battery was not functioning. Further investigation revealed that the other generation two games had the same problem, making me unable to return to a saved game. The Ruby version is somewhat of a different story, its internal battery as well has run dry; disabling clock based events though allowing it still to be saved. I have the capacity, through use of a game shark, to trade Pokérus infected Pokémon from the generation two games to Ruby version. Since clock based events are functionless, and immunization seems to be a clock based event, will Pokérus remain indefinitely? Will I still be able to infect other Pokémon?
The advice of anyone having experience in this area would be much appreciated. {{unsigned|Bug Maniac}}
:You would still be able to infect other Pokémon, as that is not time based. I would think that Pokérus would not expire in a game without time-based events. However, you can just put infected Pokémon in your PC and they will never expire (as long as they are in the PC). The reason your Gen II games don't save while your Gen III games do is because Gen II saves differently to Gen III. Also, chances are that your Ruby's battery is fine, but you are affected by the [[Berry glitch]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pokérus and Healing ==
I've heard the chances of getting the Pokérus go up if you don't heal at a Pokemon Center. Is this true? Also, would healing at one of the rest houses (such as the hiker between Mt. Coronet and Snowpoint City) count as healing at a Pokémon center? Seevea of The Blackened Halls 23:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC) (this is Seevea if the signature thing doesn't work again ><){{unsigned|Seevea}}

==Base stats==
Does a Pokémon ''have'' to have Pokérus to in order max out base stats? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 19:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:No, that could be done with EV training. Pokérus makes it quicker. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 19:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

==2 questions==
1, if you turn back the DS clock, will a cured Pokemon have Pokerus again?
2, is it definite that a Pokemon next to the Poke with Pokerus will get Pokerus after a battle? [[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 07:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:1.No 2.No, it is random.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 00:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::Just a reminder to other users: please check previous comments to avoid this page getting cluttered with redundant comments. Talk pages should not be full of the same comment or question. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 00:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

== Contracting Pokérus ==

Is Pokérus only contracted after a battle if the player uses a physical type move on the enemy with Pokérus?
[[User:Fundeath712|Fundeath712]] 20:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

== Never fades ==
Since I got a Kyogre in trade it has had Pokerus.I traded it to black and it still has it.It's been at least a year since then and it still has it.Is there an explanation for this? [[User:TheThing12|TheThing12]] 23:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
: Have you been playing it often or keeping it in a Storage Box? If you haven't played it very often I could probably see why it still has it. If it's been in a Storage Box for awhile it keeps it the whole time since when in a Storage Box is pretty much keeps it permanently until you take it out and use it in your Party for a few days. Afterward it can't get it again. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 23:10, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually I use it all the time which is the strange part [[User:TheThing12|TheThing12]] 02:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
::Are you sure that it still has Pokérus, and not just the after-effects? The double-EVs thing doesn't go away once the Pokemon is cured. Alternatively, has it ever been out of the PC at midnight? If not, that's why it hasn't gone away. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes turned on my game just now and it still has it [[User:TheThing12|TheThing12]] 05:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
:Do I smell a glitch? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 05:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Yah that's a possibility [[User:TheThing12|TheThing12]] 00:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah the same thing is happening in my White 2. My Gyarados has been in my party for over a week and it still has the Pokerus symbol (not cured symbol) [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] 20:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== Odds of Spreading Pokerus in a Party ==

I have been spreading pokerus in my Pokemon and writing down the results. from 20 cases (i know there are not a lot) i got a 27%, (25% or 30% rounding up) of spreading pokerus to the Pokemon to the right on the party from the infected Pokemon. And it doesn't matter if it is not the first Pokemon any infected Pokemon in the party will pass the infection to the Pokemon next to him at the same time. If i am posting something already know sorry. (I'm using Pokemon White.) Update: after a total of 30 cases the average odds are a 0.26 chance per case. 26% chance of infecting continuous Pokemon.
[[User:Abclum|SilverMax]] ([[User talk:Abclum|talk]]) 01:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Hmm==

I traded a Manectric from the GTS, and realized that it had Pokérus. A little later, I realized that my Volcarona (caught it, then in PC) had Pokérus. I'm wondering whether somehow Manectric spread it, or Volcarona battled a Pokémon and caught it separately. Which one would it probably be? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 04:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

== Odd happening on Crystal ==

I managed something extraordinary; creating a glitched Mew on Crystal (Obtained from Blue by the Mew Glitch) after putting it in a box with a glitch pokemon (I guess this part because can't see the pokemon), then putted it into my party (it's level somehow has been set to 0, while it's name appears to be "?GREEN?GREEN?GREEN??GREEN?GREEN?GREENXDROCKKT". It freezes when checking it's stats, but somehow you can see it's moves) and gave my Mew to the day-care lady. Somehow, the day-care lady says this "Are we geniuses or what? Want to see your ?GREEN?GREEN?Y*japanesesigns*? Green?Green???Green???????E?x.??????????GR has grown a lot. By level, it's grown by 100 (only the middle of the textblock, the rest is just filled with "GREEN" and "???"). If you want your Pokémon back, it will cost $100. (Yes, seriously just only $100, like if it had negative exp as some glitch in Generation I). Oddly, when I got my Mew back, it switched to a Primeape (which I had 5th in party while Mew was 6th) with Pokérus.
My explanation for this is because of that glitched Pokemon (I have to confirm that I probably cloned some unowns for whatever reason as that box seems to be glitched) and because saving a lot of times while restarting the game several times (maybe it couldn't read Mew's level once?), but I have no explanation why it has changed to a Primeape (which also somehow seems to have different attacks as my original Primeape).
The explanation for the Pokérus is that the glitched Pokemon had it (I doubt my Mew suddenly appears to have it as I'm sure I would have noticed that) or the bellsprout which I've tended to use to be able to get into that box again (as catching a wild pokemon which will be send into the box seems to "fix" the problem of crashing. Somehow the boxes still have an very odd amount value (57/20), while bellsprout suddenly is lvl 57 while I catched it near Violet City).

I'm not sure if I could do the same trick over again, but I'll try.

Edit:
And I've done the same trick also with Bellsprout, which appeared to have Pokérus also (so I can't tell if it this is just 1 of a million luck that I caught a wild pokemon with Pokérus or actually because of the glitched Pokémon).
I also brought it to the Pokémon Center to heal, which seemed to fix the problem that I wasn't able to see it's stats and had another odd side-effect, the sprite of the trainer actually is being used while battling wild Pokémon (like if your fighting them yourself). For some side information, healing at a Pokémon Center won't cure you from Pokérus.

After receiving some experience to Bellsprout, it seems it was at lvl 0 also (not lvl 57 which it actually states), as it levels up to 1.

For some screenshot of this event, here they are (too bad I wasn't thinking about making screenshots before putting my Mew to the day-care lady). Sorry for the poor quality of the images, couldn't make any better. I know they are very large, as I don't know how to resize them on here (or just put a link only).

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== Disappeared without a trace? ==

I got the virus yesterday on my Crystal game and spread it to my team (and a Seaking that I only have for pokedex reasons, so I can keep it around a while)and today when I turned on the game, all my Pokemon seem to have no trace of the virus whatsoever. I read on the main thing that in gen 2 you see a black dot near the HP meter but I don't see a single pixel out of place. Also, since I play my game through Stadium 2, when I first turned on my N64 today I went to the lab and they still had the flashing red dot in their summaries, but when I went and loaded up my gameboy game and checked their statuses there's no sign they ever had it. [[User:Blahness15|Blahness15]] ([[User talk:Blahness15|talk]]) 22:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

== Spreading Pokerus ==

Does the infected 'mon need to participate in a battle in order to spread it to the rest of your party? [[User:Whitsoxrule|Whitsoxrule]] ([[User talk:Whitsoxrule|talk]]) 02:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

:I don't think so. In my SoulSilver version, I traded an infected Beautifly from Platinum and spread it to my entire team without making it battle once. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 11:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't need to participate in battle. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

== Telling if Pokemon has Pokerus? ==
I'm seeing different things looking online. Some things I'm finding say that in Gen II Pokemon games, there's no way to tell if a Pokemon in the wild has Pokerus. Other things I'm finding say that it's got a little icon on it, which is why some trainers who might not know what Pokerus is might run from an infected wild Pokemon. Which of these is true? [[User:EllieNeo|EllieNeo]] ([[User talk:EllieNeo|talk]]) 03:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure, that like every other generation with Pokerus, you can't tell if a Pokemon has Pokerus until you catch it. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
::So... do you have to catch a Pokemon with Pokerus to get Pokerus, or just fight it? [[User:EllieNeo|EllieNeo]] ([[User talk:EllieNeo|talk]]) 05:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
:::In Gen IV, you only have to battle it (speaking from experience). I've only ever found Pokérus myself in SS, so I don't know about other games. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the answer for this for Gen II? [[User:EllieNeo|EllieNeo]] ([[User talk:EllieNeo|talk]]) 01:52, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::Years ago I got Pokérus in Gold from battling (not catching) a wild Tangela outside of Mt. Silver. I knew it was something special at the time but not how it worked, so I saved and turned off the game but neglected to box my affected Persian and it cured overnight without spreading to any other party members, whoops. [[User:RacieB|RacieB]] ([[User talk:RacieB|talk]]) 02:13, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

== Preserving the Virus for Future Spreading? ==

My understanding is that as long as the infected pokemon is trasferred to a PC box before the game's timer hits midnight, it will keep the virus indefinitely and can continue to be withdrawn to spread to other pokemon as much as one likes and will never be 'cured' if it is returned to the PC before midnight strikes. Is this assumption correct, or does the day counter go down for every day the pokemon is out of the PC? And if so, Is each pokemon that I infect given it's own random day counter or does it take the one from the pokemon that the infection originated from? I apologize if this has been answered before, but I'm having trouble finding specific details on preserving the 'rus. Any additional info greatly appreciated.
-[[User:Gunslick|Gunslick]] ([[User talk:Gunslick|talk]]) 19:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

== Different stages in Gen VI ==

I've been spreading the 'rus to a lot of my Pokémon, but I'm really confused about one thing. The ones who have battled the most with it have a little smiley face (pink, of course) next to the pentagon on the summary, while the ones who haven't been out that much just have the pink bar saying "Pokérus" by the type. Is there much of a difference?-- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 04:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Player Search System

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== O-Power upgrade rate ==

I saw somewhere that O-Powers level up from the first level with 15 uses, and the second with 30. Can anyone verify this ?(I only have one at the 3rd level, and I didn't count the uses.) -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Vivillon (Pokémon)

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Pringles: grammatical error and vivillon being misspelled many times

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lv100exp=1,000,000 |
color=Black |
catchrate=0 |
body=13 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Vivillon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ビビヨン''' ''Viviyon'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Flying}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Spewpa}} starting at [[level]] 12. It is the final form of {{p|Scatterbug}}.

Vivillon's [[Form difference|wing pattern]] depends on the geographic location of its [[original Trainer]]. There are a total of 18 known patterns: Archipelago, Continental, Elegant, Garden, High Plains, Icy Snow, Jungle, Marine, Meadow, Modern, Monsoon, Ocean, Polar, River, Sandstorm, Savanna, Sun, and Tundra.

==Biology==
Vivillon is a butterfly-like Pokémon with wings that come in a large variety of patterns. Vivillon's main body has an elliptical shape divided into three segments, each with a different shade of gray. Its legs are also elliptical which are black on the lower half and grayish on the upper half. Vivillon has two black, circular hands, but no visible arms. It has a round, grayish head with large black eyes and a pair of skinny antenna.


==In the anime==
[[File:Viola Vivillon.png|thumb|left|Vivillon in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Vivillon made its debut appearance in [[XY005]], under the ownership of [[Viola]].

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
Vivillon has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=bug
|type2=flying
|gen=6
|xdex=Vivillon with many different patterns are found all over the world. These patterns are affected by the climate of their habitat.
|ydex=The patterns on this Pokémon’s wings depend on the climate and topography of its habitat. It scatters colorful scales.
}}

===Game locations===
{{availability|
type=bug|
type2=flying|
gen=6|
xyrarity=None|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spewpa}} |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Flying|
HP= 80|
Attack= 52|
Defense=50|
SpAtk= 90|
SpDef= 50|
Speed= 89}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Bug|
type2=Flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 25 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |
notes=yes|
flying=ironball|
newground=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist/levelh/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Poison Powder|Poison|Status|—|75|35}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Stun Spore|Grass|Status|—|75|35}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Powder|Bug|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Sleep Powder|Grass|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/level6|12|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|17|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|21|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|25|Draining Kiss|Fairy|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|31|Aromatherapy|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level6|35|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|41|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/level6|45|Quiver Dance|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|55|Powder|Bug|Status|—|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/levelf/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM19|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM76|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Learnlist/breedh/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|414|Mothim}} {{MSP|666|Vivillon}}|Poison Powder|Poison|Status|—|75|35}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|637|Volcarona}}|Rage Powder|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}} {{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|666|Vivillon}}|Stun Spore|Grass|Status|—|75|30}}
{{Learnlist/breedf/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{Learnlist/tutorh/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{Learnlist/tutorf/6|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5|664|Scatterbug|||||Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/prevo5|664|Scatterbug|||||String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/prevo5|664|Scatterbug|||||Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|'''}}
{{learnlist/prevo5|665|Spewpa|||||Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/prevo5|665|Spewpa|||||Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=bug
|type2=flying
|pictype=art
|no1=664
|name1=Scatterbug
|type1-1=Bug
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 9}}
|no2=665
|name2=Spewpa
|type1-2=Bug
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 12}}
|no3=666
|name3=Vivillon
|type1-3=Bug
|type2-3=Flying}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==

===Origin===
Vivillon is based on a butterfly. Considering the many different varieties of Vivillon that differ depending on the player's geographic location, Vivillon may have been based on {{wp|divergent evolution}} or possibly species {{wp|mimicry}}.

====Name origin====
Vivillon may be a combination of ''vivid'' and ''papillon'' (French for butterfly). It may also derive from ''viví en'' (Spanish for "I lived in"), referring to its geographic variation.

Viviyon may be a combination of 美 ''bi'' (beauty), ''vivid'', and ''papillon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=bug|type2=flying
|ja=ビビヨン ''Viviyon''|jameaning=From 美 ''bi'' (beauty), ''vivid'', and ''papillon'' (French for butterfly)
|fr=Prismillon |frmeaning=From ''prisme'' (prism) and ''papillon'' (butterfly)
|es=Vivillon |esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Vivillon |demeaning=Same as English name
|it=Vivillon |itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=비비용 ''Bibiyong''|komeaning=From its Japanese name}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Spewpa | next=Litleo | type=Bug | type2=Flying | prevnum=665 | nextnum=667 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Vivillon]]
[[es:Vivillon]]
[[fr:Prismillon]]
[[it:Vivillon]]
[[ja:ビビヨン]]
[[zh:ビビヨン]]

Talk:Pokémon-Amie

2013-11-10T02:26:54Z

Pringles:

== Affection ==

The way some people have worded it, it seems that the affection levels for Pokémon-Amie diminish over time. Are they permanent, so you don't have to play regularly? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 03:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:I'm almost positive they can't go down. At the least, time shouldn't be enough alone. In my hundred plus hours, I've never lost a point of affection. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 04:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
::It won't diminish on its own. When you fill the affection meter, it will even say you and your Pokémon will be friends. Although, I don't know if smacking your Pokémon in Amie will have any effect on affection, and I don't really want to test it to find out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

== Flavor preference ==

I've played in Pokémon-Amie a lot, and after feeding a shiny Relicanth with a hasty nature a bunch of differently-flavored poké puffs, I haven't seen any difference in hearts given for different flavors of the same type of poké puff.
If the flavor preferences are the same, then a pokémon with a hasty nature should prefer sweet poké puffs, but normal sweet poké puffs (pink) haven't been giving any different of a response than the other flavors. [[User:Nevasarini|Nevasarini]] ([[User talk:Nevasarini|talk]]) 18:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:I doubt Poke Puff preference is related at all to Nature and Berry preference, as the flavors are named different things (Mocha, Sweet, Spice, Mint, Citrus versus Sour, Spicy, Dry, Sweet, Bitter). That said, I also haven't noticed any of my Pokemon's heart levels varying based on what flavors they're eating. Experimentation must be done on whether flavor affects other things instead, like fullness or enjoyment (or if it does indeed affect affection, but to a smaller degree than would be noticeable in most circumstances). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:: I've noticed the same thing. Fed one pokemon (over the course of several feedings) every flavour of the first 4 "levels", each level produced the same amount of hearts for all flavours. I'm going to go ahead and remove that bit in the article. [[User:DragonJTS|DragonJTS]] ([[User talk:DragonJTS|talk]]) 04:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Preference ==

I was thinking if it would be a good idea to have a subsection in every Pokémon's "Game Data" section that tells where Pokémon like and don't like being petted. I haven't noticed Pokémon having preferred Poké Puff, but if Pokémon do have preferred flavours, we could add those in the section as well. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 05:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I was wondering this too. If so, though, shouldn't it be put under Biology? [[User:Zaffre|Zaffre]] ([[User talk:Zaffre|talk]]) 04:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, I was thinking of editing it in to some of the Pokémon pages, but I wasn't sure what to label it as. Yes, biology seems to be a better fit. Should it be put under physiology as a subsection, where the gender differences also are? Or should it be just a section of biology? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 03:17, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Per the new guidelines, Biology sections are not to include subsections any more. (Not all articles have been updated to the standard, but I believe most have by now.) I'm not sure where to put the information, but I can tell you for sure that you'll be reprimanded if you try to make such wide-sprawling edits without an admin's approval. I suggest bringing the topic up on one of their talk pages first. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh, well then we could simply have a paragraph in biology that talks about Pokémon-Amie. Or, we could do what I originally suggested and make it a subsection in Game Data. What do you think? Also, Arceus' biology section might need some editing then. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 19:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== 5-star reactions ==

Whenever I use a Full Restore or stuff like that on my Blaziken, it says, "Blaziken (in this case <Pokémon>) is thrilled to bits!". Just noticed that's not on the page. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:23, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Add to that, when my Pokémon's at low health, it says something like, "<Pokémon> is in a bit of a pinch. It looks like it's going to cry" -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon-Amie

2013-11-10T00:23:57Z

Pringles:

Talk:Lumiose City

2013-11-08T01:06:01Z

Pringles:

==Name Similarities to Illumise==

Should it be noted that Lumiose City's French name, Illumis; is almost the same as [[Illumise]]? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Pikachu ==

Minor speculation but i can't help but notice the pikachu in the picture. Either this is just because it's the franchise mascot or pokemon from gens 1 to 5 will be in Kalos unlike Unova's first two games. --[[User:Bomyne|Bomyne]] ([[User talk:Bomyne|talk]]) 11:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:[[a:File:XY Pokedex.png|We know]] that Zigzagoon (and Linoone) will be in the Kalos Pokédex. However, Pikachu might just make a cameo, like it did in [[Castelia City]] and like Shroomish did in [[Hearthome City]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:: In the announcement trailer back in Jan where Pikachu is on the tower, they mention that favorite old Pokémon would make an appearance, and they showed an encounter with a wild Pikachu.

:: Also, while this part is speculation on my own behalf; with the emphasis on light for this city, the tower's tip might light up. It is also likely, if it does light up, it does so possibly with the aid of a (Electric-Type) Pokémon much in the same way that the lighthouse in Olivine City (did I get the right city, been a long time since I played G&S.) Plus Pikachu was shown using its electricity on top of the tower in the announcement trailer. I wouldn't be surprise if a whole slew of Electric-Type Pokémon could be found in and near Lumiose City. But, we'll have to wait and see. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

:::Well it would go with the name (Luminose=Light=Electricity=Electric Pokemon). And yes Yamitora the city you are thinking of is Olivine City. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 21:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

== Tourism ==

Why does this page sound like it has been taken from a travel book all of a sudden? Doesn't sound professional. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 00:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
: I shortened and dulled it down. I don't see how it was Touristy. Also thanks ‎ArcToraphim for the fix. I keep forgetting to do that when linking Pokémon names to their articles. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:: It sounded touristy to me because of the mention to shopping and fine dining but it reads more professional now. Also, for creating Pokemon templates, do {{p|Name of Pokemon} } <--(but without this extra space). [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 02:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Lumiose City Gym ==

In the 3rd Pokémon X and Y trailer, at 0:34, there is an image of the tower in the centre of the city. At the entrance of the tower is the same symbol that is in front of the Santalune City Gym, in the 2nd trailer, at 0:42. This symbol is the Gym symbol from Unova, so it is safe to assume that Lumiose City also has a Gym. From Kalos' map, Lumiose City is the 3rd Location to visit, after Vaniville and Santalune, so it could be the 2nd Gym, although it could act like Petalburg or Viridian and have the Gym challenged later on. Since Lumiose City is based on Paris, the City of Lights, then the Gym type could be Electric or Fairy (there probably will be some sort of Fairy Gym/Elite Four Member somewhere in Kalos), but this is very speculative. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 10:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

:I too, noticed this in the trailer. The gym logo is also visible in a screenshot for Pokémon X and Y (I think there is a YouTube video pointing this out.), so I would think that it is fair to say that it is not just an animé variation. There have however been gyms in the animé that have not appeared in games such as those of the [[Orange Archipelago]], and unofficial gyms, including a fake gym set up by [[Team Rocket]], but I would think it unusual to have an unofficial gym ''in-game''. Of course the ''typing'' of the gym is completely speculative, however, I think that the fact that there ''is'' a Lumiose Gym is pretty conclusive.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 18:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
::The odds are pretty high that it has an actual Gym, but I have to point out that it's not unprecedented to have an unofficial Gym in-game — see the [[Fighting Dojo]] in Saffron City. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Lumiose City ==

Its Korean name is 미스시티 ''Miseu {{tt|Siti|City}}''.
* I suspect it's based on the English word "myth", although that would be transliterated as 미쓰. Alternatively, 미스 could be "Miss" (whether "female tiitle" or "opposite of hit"), but I have my doubts. I'll have to get back to this. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 23:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Plants and Lights? ==

How come all of the other cities and towns in Kalos so far are named after plants, yet Lumiose city is named after Paris' nickname 'the city of lights'? Shouldn't it be added to the trivia that Lumiose city is the only one not named after a plant? [[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know all the cities, so we don't know yet whether another will be not named after a plant. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Prism Tower ==

It should be worth noted that the Eiffel-Tower like thing is called Prism Tower. [[User:Dinodestroyer|Dinodestroyer]] ([[User talk:Dinodestroyer|talk]]) 11:07, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

== The second story of one of the north buildings ==

I went there and something... odd happened. Im not even sure what it was. A very strange NPC is all i can say without spoiling. You'd know it if you saw it. well whatever it was, its clearly worth mentioning. If anyone has a clue what this thing was or what it meant, that should probably be included in the article somewhere. I think it was the building with the Dojo/Dance school on top, with the 2nd floor totally empty. I can't be sure because it only happened the one time and there are no signs left behind.

So yeah. That. Anyone know what that was and can put it on the page? [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] ([[User talk:PowerPlantRaichu|talk]]) 03:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Looker Bureau ==

Can somebody put something explaining this? I would, but I do not have the time. It is after you go to Anistar City and receive the Mega Ring upgrade. I would appreciate it, and I will help where I can.--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 03:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC) As I said, I would do it all, but I have neither the time or the experience to do it. {{unsigned|Darkmaster}}

== On the glitches thing shall we put about this ghost girl? ==

Apparently there's this ghost girl thing which people are talking about. Is this a glitch if so put it on the glitches. I'm not sure if it's a reference to Unova about that girl in the Strange House or just a glitch. If anyone does know can someone either add it in the glitches or make note of it in the trivia section?--[[User:Hydreigonfan1|Hydreigonfan1]] ([[User talk:Hydreigonfan1|talk]]) 18:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's pretty clear to me that it's not a glitch. It's just supposed to be a creepy thing they put into the game. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sushi High Roller requirements ==

Can anyone help verify the requirements to get into Sushi High Roller? I know the only requirement isn't being the Champion, but I know it is one since the NPC that lets you in mentions it. I know there is something else since after becoming Champion, I did a bunch of style stuff and the Looker side quests and got access after that. Someone updated it to say the Looker sidequests are the other prereq, but that seems weird to me. Don't those also increase your style by completing them? Unfortunately, I don't know for a fact if completing that was what gave me access or not. [[User:Linkmastr001|Linkmastr001]] ([[User talk:Linkmastr001|talk]]) 21:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I had a thought. One thing I did before doing this restaurant was participate in each of the other restaurants, perhaps that is the other requirement? [[User:Linkmastr001|Linkmastr001]] ([[User talk:Linkmastr001|talk]]) 01:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I did that and beat the Elite Four, anyone else had that experience? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 01:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

== Stone Emporium ==

Does anyone know whether or not this shop gets more than just Leaf, Fire and Water Stones post game?--[[User:Ditto51|Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 10:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
:Doesn't seem to do so. I think that's it unless you get more for becoming a full celebrity in Lumiose. I'm getting close to that stage (Venusarite is only 70,000, once it gets to 10,000 I will know). ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 10:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sushi High Roller prize ==

Has anyone completed a course? If so, what did you get? Apparently it's Big Nuggets, but the quantities are still undetermined on Bulbapedia. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 01:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Chateau

2013-11-08T00:44:45Z

Pringles: /* Ranks */

==Ranks==

I've almost never seen any trainers my own rank in the Chateau (besides Baron/nesses). Should I be seeing them (I only see 1 or 2 each time), or should I just buy a writ? How quick do writs take effect? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:What rank are you? It's pretty rare to see ones of your own rank, so that's normal. Never used a writ before.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure I'm Marquis, but I usually see only Baron/nesses, and maybe a Viscount or two. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Chateau

2013-11-08T00:37:57Z

Pringles:

Talk:Battle Chateau

2013-11-08T00:36:57Z

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==Ranks==

I've almost never seen any trainers my own rank in the Chateau (besides Baron/nesses). Should I be seeing them (I only see 1 or 2 each time), or should I just buy a writ? How do writs take effect? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Floette (Pokémon)

2013-11-06T00:51:58Z

Pringles: /* Friend Safari Floette */

==AZ's Floette==
Surely it deserves a mention here? But where should it go? The NPC section doesn't seem quite fitting. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:10, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, it needs a mention. NPC section for sure.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== Friend Safari Floette ==

If you can catch Floette in the Friend Safari, what color will its flower be? Since it depends on the color of the flower bed and/or Poké Radar (for colors without a flower bed), does it have a specific color set for the Friend Safari Floette? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Floette (Pokémon)

2013-11-06T00:51:43Z

Pringles: Floette in Friend Safari

Cresselia (Pokémon)

2013-11-01T23:55:20Z

Pringles: /* In side games */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=psychic | prevnum=487 | nextnum=489 | prev=Giratina | next=Phione }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Cresselia |
jname=クレセリア |
tmname=Crecelia |
size=250px |
image=488Cresselia.png |
art=DP |
pron=<sc>cre-se-leeya</sc> |
ndex=488 |
abrow=254 |
type1=Psychic |
species=Lunar |
height-ftin=4'11" |
height-m=1.5 |
weight-lbs=188.7 |
weight-kg=85.6 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Undiscovered |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=120 |
evsd=3|
expyield=210 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=254|
color=Yellow |
catchrate=3 |
body= 14|
pokefordex=cresselia |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Cresselia''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クレセリア''' ''Crecelia'') is a {{type|Psychic}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

It is a member of the [[lunar duo]] with {{p|Darkrai}}.

==Biology==
Cresselia has a blue, swan-like body with a yellow underside. It has pink eyes, a dark pink, round tuft on its head, and a pointed, beak-like snout. There are yellow, crescent-shaped ornaments on the sides of its head. Cresselia has glowing, pink, ring-like wings on its sides and back with paw like protrusions resting on its chest. These wings release shining particles and undulate beautifully around the quarter moon. Cresselia has the power to dispel nightmares, and holding one of its feathers is said to bring happy dreams. However, as seen [[DP104|in the anime]], it can be quite hostile towards its counterpart, {{p|Darkrai}}. Cresselia is [[signature move|the only known Pokemon]] able to learn {{m|Lunar Dance}}. Cresselia is a female-only species.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Cresselia anime.png|left|thumb|250px|Cresselia in the anime]]
===Major appearances===

Cresselia made her debut appearance in the anime in ''[[DP104|Sleepless In Pre-Battle!]]''. Cresselia normally returns to her shrine on [[Fullmoon Island]] during a certain time of the year when a {{p|Darkrai}} also comes by to cause nightmares. She may also leave her [[Lunar Wing|feathers]], which people find to help stop the nightmares caused by Darkrai. In the episode, Cresselia helped {{Ash}} and the residents of [[Canalave City]] get better sleep by stopping Darkrai.

===Minor appearances===
A Cresselia first appeared in a short {{wp|Cameo appearance|cameo}} in the beginning of ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.
{{-}}

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP104|Cresselia|Dawn's Pokédex|Cresselia, the Lunar Pokémon. Shining particles are released from Cresselia's wings like a veil, and it is said to represent the crescent moon.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Palmer Cresselia Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Cresselia in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Cresselia appears under the ownership of {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Cresselia (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===Super Smash Bros. Brawl===
[[Image:SpearPillarCresselia.png|thumb|210px|right|Cresselia in Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]
Cresselia appears on the {{st|Spear Pillar}} stage as one of three Pokémon who appear in the center (the others being Dialga and Palkia). Cresselia acts completely different than the other two in terms of attacks she uses. She'll often shoot {{m|Psycho Cut}}s around the field, and sometimes shoot one large Psycho Cut as if it were a boomerang, hitting anyone that touches it.

====Trophy Information====
''A Lunar Pokémon. Cresselia appears on [[Fullmoon Island]] and, once discovered, flies around different areas of Sinnoh. Its signature [[move]], {{m|Lunar Dance}}, causes Cresselia to faint but recovers all the HP and cures the status conditions of the next Pokémon its Trainer sends out. Cresselia excels at recovery techniques and is unusual in that it appears only in female form.''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness}}: Cresselia has made it her mission to foil {{mdc|Darkrai|2}}'s plot of plunging everyone in the world into an endless nightmare. After healing {{p|Azurill}} of his nightmare, she joins the player's team as a guest in [[Dark Crater]]. After defeating Darkrai, Cresselia will offer to officially join the team back at Sharpedo Bluff.
* {{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}: Cresselia is the guardian of the {{DL|The King of Almia and the Three Princes|Yellow Gem}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=4
|dpdex=Shiny particles are released from its wings like a veil. It is said to represent the crescent moon.
|platinumdex=On nights around the quarter moon, the aurora from its tail extends and undulates beautifully.
|hgssdex=Those who sleep holding Cresselia's feather are assured of joyful dreams. It is said to represent the crescent moon.
|bwdex=On nights around the quarter moon, the aurora from its tail extends and undulates beautifully.
|b2w2dex=On nights around the quarter moon, the aurora from its tail extends and undulates beautifully.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=4 |
dprarity=One |
dparea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Sinnoh]] |
ptrarity=One |
ptarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Sinnoh]] |
hgssex=pal|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
gen5ex=none |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Trade]] |
b2w2ex=One |
b2w2rarity=One |
b2w2area=[[Marvelous Bridge]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Psychic
|md2=[[Sharpedo Bluff]]
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] (during mission)
|rumble=[[Silent Forest]] Advanced Mode S
|rumble2=Treetops: All ([[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Legendary Boss Pokémon|Random Legendary Encounter]])
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=psychic}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|World Championships 2013 Qualifiers Senior Division Cresselia|Korean|South Korea|68|August 24 to 25, 2013|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Senior Division Cresselia}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=psychic
|event1=Expert Belt|event1type=In-battle effect item|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic |
HP= 120 |
Attack= 70 |
Defense=120 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 130 |
Speed= 85 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
levitate=yes|
newground=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|38|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Moonlight|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|66|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|75|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|84|Lunar Dance|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|93|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM19|Telekinesis|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Cresselia|psychic|psychic|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Cresselia|psychic|psychic|5|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magic Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Cresselia|Psychic|Psychic|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=psychic |
ndex=488 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=100 |
iq=H |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Psychic |
assist2=Psychic |
field2=None |
field2power=- |
browser2=It lets loose strange orbs. It attacks by spitting orbs of psychic power. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=2|
rumbledefense=5|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=2|
rumble2defense=5|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Psychic
|pictype=art
|no1=488
|name1=Cresselia
|type1-1=Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite
|ndex=488
|gen=4
|name=Cresselia
|type=psychic
}}

==Trivia==
* When Cresselia is encountered, the music is the same as an ordinary [[wild Pokémon]], instead of a [[legendary Pokémon]] theme. She shares this trait with {{p|Shaymin}}, {{p|Latias}}, and {{p|Latios}}.
* Cresselia can be seen as an [[legendary duo|opposite]] of {{p|Darkrai}}, as Darkrai causes nightmares, whereas Cresselia prevents them. Also, their islands are shaped and named opposite of each other, and their types are frequently considered opposites.
** Furthermore, in the TCG, one of the attacks on [[Darkrai (Great Encounters 3)|Darkrai 3/106 of Great Encounters]], Darkness Pursuit, has a base damage of 100 if Cresselia is the opposing Pokémon. Otherwise, it deals 50 damage.
* Cresselia is one of six legendary Pokémon that has a definite gender, the other five being {{P|Latias}} (a female-only species), {{P|Latios}} (a male-only species) and the [[Forces of Nature]] (whose members are all male-only species).
** All of these legendary Pokémon except {{P|Landorus}} appeared roaming around the region they debuted in.
* [[Tower Tycoon Palmer]], [[Cheryl]], and [[Buck]] all own a Cresselia; they use these at the {{si|Battle Tower}}.
* Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the [[Lake guardians]].

===Origin===
The general body shape of Cresselia seems to be based after a {{wp|swan}}. Her head is covered in crescent moon shapes and she wears many {{wp|aurora|aurora-colored}} {{wp|planetary ring}}s. These rings resemble {{wp|Rings of Saturn|Saturn's rings}}.
Cresselia shares characteristics with {{wp|Sarimanok}}, a mythical being who is usually depicted as a fowl with colorful wings and feathered tail. Sarimanok's head is profusely decorated and is said to be a symbol of good fortune. She also may be based on the {{wp|Alkonost}}, a female headed bird god who usually departs to society to warn it.

====Name origin====
Cresselia and Crecelia may be a combination of ''{{wp|Lunar phase|crescent}}'' (referring to a {{wp|phase of the moon}}) and ''{{wp|Selene}}'' (Greek goddess of the Moon).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=psychic|type2=psychic
|ja=クレセリア ''Crecelia''|jameaning=From ''crescent'' (referring to a phase of the moon) and ''Selene'' (Greek goddess of the Moon)
|de=Cresselia|demeaning=Same as English name
|fr=Cresselia|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Cresselia|esmeaning=Same as English name
|it=Cresselia|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=크레세리아 ''Cresceria''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=克雷色利亞 ''Kè Léi Sè Lì Yà''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
}}
 

==External links==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | type=psychic | prevnum=487 | nextnum=489 | prev=Giratina | next=Phione }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Sinnoh legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Roaming Pokémon]]

[[it:Cresselia]]
[[pt:Cresselia (pokémon)]]

[[de:Cresselia]]
[[es:Cresselia]]
[[fr:Cresselia]]
[[ja:クレセリア]]
[[pl:Cresselia]]
[[zh:克雷色利亚]]

Torterra (Pokémon)

2013-11-01T23:54:44Z

Pringles: /* In side games */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Torterra | type=grass | type2=ground | prevnum=388 | nextnum=390 | prev=Grotle | next=Chimchar }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Torterra |
jname=ドダイトス |
tmname=Dodaitose |
art=DP |
size=230px |
pron=<sc>tor-te-rah</sc> |
ndex=389 |
sdex=003 |
abrow=054 |
obrow=141 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Ground |
species=Continent |
height-ftin=7'03" |
height-m=2.2 |
weight-lbs=683.4 |
weight-kg=310.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Overgrow |
ability2= |
abilityd=Shell Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=2 |
evde=1 |
expyield=208 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=torterra|
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Torterra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドダイトス''' ''Dodaitose'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Ground}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Grotle}} starting at [[level]] 32. It is the final form of {{p|Turtwig}}.

==Biology==
Torterra is a bulky quadruped Pokémon resembling a tortoise, with a large shell covering its back. There is a single, oak-like tree and three triangular, stony extensions resembling mountain peaks on the top of the shell. There is a patch of brown, resembling soil, next to the tree. A white rim surrounds the shell, and forms a diamond-shaped continuation on the front. Torterra's body appears sectioned, with the upper half being green and the lower half brown. Its mouth is jagged and at the end of its snout is a dark brown beak, giving it the appearance of a snapping turtle. Its lower jaw is green and there are two large spikes protruding from its cheeks. Torterra's small, red eyes and are encircled by a black ring. Its legs are thick and they have four toes each, which appear as if they are actually jagged stones. There are three toes on the front and one on the heel.

Torterra's large and clean shell supports the lives of many small Pokémon, which occasionally gather and {{wp|commensalism|build their nests upon the shell}}. Some are born and spend their entire life there. Torterra migrate in search of water, creating the illusion of "moving forests". However, it is typically immobile.

==In the anime==
[[File:Paul Torterra.png|250px|thumb|left|Torterra in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Paul's Torterra]]====
Torterra's debut appearance in the anime was in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training]]'', where it was revealed to be [[Paul]]'s [[starter Pokémon]]. It later helped [[Ash's Grotle]] cope with its reduced {{stat|Speed}} in ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy]]''.

====[[Ash's Torterra]]====
Ash's Torterra debuted in ''[[DP166|The Fleeing Tower of Sunyshore!]]'' when his Grotle evolved.

====Other====
Torterra's first movie appearance was in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', belonging to a {{pkmn|Coordinator}} named [[Maury]]. It battled against [[Ash's Pikachu]], and also tried to stop {{OBP|Darkrai|M10}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Torterra appeared in [[Alexa]]'s magazine in ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]].''

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP040|Torterra|Ash's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Torterra is the final evolved form of {{p|Turtwig}}. Sometimes small Pokémon will gather to make their nests on Torterra's back.}}
{{Animedexbody|DP166|Torterra|Dawn's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Its large back and sanitary nature offer an ideal place for smaller Pokémon to build their nests.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Tru Torterra.png|thumb|Torterra in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Tru}}
In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{adv|Diamond}} owns a {{p|Turtwig}} nicknamed Tru, which evolved into a {{p|Grotle}}, and then again into a Torterra fairly quickly (both times with [[Chimler]]). While it, just like in the games, did not lose speed upon either of its evolutions, it was never very fast to begin with, a trait duly noted since its Gym match with [[Crasher Wake]]'s {{p|Quagsire}}, where it was able to take the win with a powerful {{m|Giga Drain}}. After being returned to its rightful owner, it underwent training on [[Iron Island]] to overcome its speed loss by using a single, perfectly accurate {{m|Razor Leaf}} that is so fast that Diamond cannot even finish the attack order before it hits. Attesting much to the boy's childishness, he named it the "Razor Leaf Dia Special Mach One and Only".

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
Torterra is the final form of {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}'s [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Turtwig}}. It made it debut in this form in ''[[DPA24|Hareta's Heart's Desire]]'', where it was easily beaten by [[Koya]]'s {{p|Absol}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Torterra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|gen=4
|diamonddex=Small Pokémon occasionally gather on its unmoving back to begin building their nests.
|pearldex=Groups of this Pokémon migrating in search of water have been mistaken for "moving forests."
|platinumdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|hgssdex=Ancient people imagined that beneath the ground, a gigantic Torterra dwelled.
|bwdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|b2w2dex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=ground|
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
hgssex=pal|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
b2w2ex=none |
b2w2area=[[Trade]]|
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]]
|md2=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]] Advanced Mode A & S
|ranger3=[[Rand's House]]
|pokepark=[[Meadow Zone]]
|rumble2=Desert: [[Sunny Seashore]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=grass|type2=ground}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Pokémon Center 15th Anniversary Torterra|Japanese|Japan|100|June 5 to 11, 2013; July 3 to 7, 2013|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Torterra}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|event1=Choice Band|event1type=In-battle effect item|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass|
type2=ground |
HP= 95 |
Attack= 109 |
Defense=105 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 85 |
Speed= 56 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|Speed=1
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Grass|
type2=Ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 400 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
ground=yes|
newelectric=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wood Hammer|Grass|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Turtwig|grass|grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|304|Aron}} {{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}} {{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|273|Seedot}} {{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}} {{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|444|Gabite}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10|Tough|2||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}} {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}{{MSP|247|Pupitar}}{{MSP|248|Tyranitar}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|Beauty|2}}{{learnlist/breedf|Turtwig|grass|grass|4|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Frenzy Plant|Grass|Special|150|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Grass Pledge|Grass|Special|50|100|10||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
type2=ground |
ndex=389 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Grass |
assist2=Grass |
field2=Tackle |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It attacks by scattering leaves and shooting seeds. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Grass |
assist3=Grass |
field3=Tackle |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It shoots leaves and grows vines to attack. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=4|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=4|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad=Torterra came to see the [[Meadow Zone]]. His favorite Attraction is {{DL|Attractions|Rhyperior's Bumper Burn}}! |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=387
|name1=Turtwig
|type1-1=Grass
|evotype1=Level
|level1=18
|sprite2=388
|name2=Grotle
|type1-2=Grass
|evotype2=Level
|level2=32
|sprite3=389
|name3=Torterra
|type1-3=Grass
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
type2=ground|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=389|
name=Torterra|
}}
====Other sprites====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size: 80%; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color}};"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color light}}; width:160px"| [[File:Spr 4p Torterra intro.png]]
|-
| Platinum intro's sprite
|}

==Trivia==
* Torterra shares the same [[species]] type with {{p|Groudon}}. Both of them are known as the Continent Pokémon.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Torterra.
* Torterra has the highest {{stat|Defense}} base stat and lowest {{stat|Speed}} base stat of all fully evolved [[starter Pokémon]].
* Torterra is the heaviest fully evolved main series starter Pokémon.
* When walking to the right in [[Amity Square]], Torterra's sprite shows the left side of Torterra, which is the opposite of how it should appear.
* Torterra is the [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Turtwig, Grotle and Torterra}}
Torterra has aspects of a {{wp|snapping turtle}} and an {{wp|ankylosaurus}}, a species of armored dinosaur. It may also be based upon the {{wp|World Turtle}}s in various mythologies that carry worlds upon their backs, or perhaps the {{wp|Black Tortoise}} of various Asian myths. It also may be based on the {{wp|Cultural depictions of turtles and tortoises#Japan|minogame}}.

====Name origin====
Torterra is a combination of ''tortoise'' and ''terra'' (Latin for ''ground''). ''Terra'' may also refer to ''{{wp|terrapin}}s''. It also bears similarity to ''{{wp|tuatara}}'' (a type of lizard) and ''{{wp|totara}}'' (a type of tree), both native to {{pmin|New Zealand}}.

Dodaitose may be a combination of 土 ''do'' (earth or ground), 大 ''dai'' (large), and ''tortoise''. It may also involve 土台 ''dodai'' ({{wp|Foundation (engineering)|foundation}}).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=grass|type2=ground
|ja= ドダイトス ''Dodaitose''|jameaning=From {{tt|土 ''do''|earth or ground}}, {{tt|大 ''dai''|large}}, {{tt|土台 ''dodai''|foundation}} and ''tortoise''
|fr=Torterra|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Torterra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Chelterrar|demeaning=From {{tt|''Chelonia''|Greek for turtle}} and ''{{tt|terra|Latin for 'earth'}}''
|it=Torterra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=토대부기 ''Todaebugi''|komeaning=From {{tt|토 ''to''|Earth}}, {{tt|대 ''dae''|large}}, and {{tt|거북이 ''geobugi''|turtle}}
|zh_cmn=土台龜 / 土台龟 ''Tǔtáiguī''|zh_cmnmeaning=Can be taken as "Earth terrace tortoise".

}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Torterra]]
* [[Paul's Torterra]]
* [[Tru]]

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=grass | type2=ground | prevnum=388 | nextnum=390 | prev=Grotle | next=Chimchar }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[it:Torterra]]
[[pt:Torterra (pokémon)]]

[[de:Chelterrar]]
[[es:Torterra]]
[[fr:Torterra]]
[[ja:ドダイトス]]
[[pl:Torterra]]
[[zh:土台龟]]

Grotle (Pokémon)

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Pringles: /* In side games */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Grotle | type=grass | prevnum=387 | nextnum=389 | prev=Turtwig | next=Torterra }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Grotle |
jname=ハヤシガメ |
tmname=Hayashigame |
art=DP |
size=180px|
pron=<sc>groh-tuhl</sc>|
ndex=388 |
sdex=002 |
abrow=053 |
obrow=140 |
opbrow=040 |
type1=Grass |
species=Grove |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=213.8 |
weight-kg=97.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Overgrow |
ability2= |
abilityd=Shell Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=1 |
evde=1 |
expyield=141 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=grotle |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Grotle''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ハヤシガメ''' ''Hayashigame'') is a {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Turtwig}} starting at [[level]] 18 and evolves into {{p|Torterra}} starting at level 32.

==Biology==
[[File:Grotle acorn.png|Grotle with acorns|220px|thumb|left]]
Grotle is a quadruped Pokémon with light green skin and a large shell covering its back. The shell is composed of hardened soil and conforms to the shape of Grotle's body, extending from its forehead to the tip of its short tail. The shell appears sectioned and is yellow with three long, brown ridges atop it. There are two bush-like trees growing around the outermost ridges. Grotle's lower jaw is yellow and has triangular extensions on the cheeks, while its upper jaw has a hooked tip. Its feet are yellow and have three claws each.

Grotle has the ability to sense where pure water wells up, and will carry other Pokémon on its back to these sources. Grotle lives in forests, but leaves during the day to allow more sunlight on its trees. Berries grow on the trees, attracting some species of Pokémon. In the anime, Grotle is seen to produce acorn-like nuts instead.

==In the anime==
[[File:Ash Grotle.png|thumb|left|230px|Grotle in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Ash's Grotle]]====
{{Ash}}'s Turtwig evolved into Grotle in ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy!]]''. This marked Grotle's debut appearance in the anime. In ''[[DP166|The Fleeing Tower of Sunyshore!]]'', Grotle evolved into {{p|Torterra}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Grotle appeared in the opening scenes of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

Multiple Grotle appeared in [[Alexa]]'s magazine in ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]].''
{{-}}

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP100|Grotle|Ash's Pokédex|Grotle, the Grove Pokémon and the evolved form of {{p|Turtwig}}. Grotle lives near water in forests, and leaves the forest during the {{DL|Time|day}} to {{m|Synthesis|allow light to shine}} on the tree on its shell.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Tru Grotle.png|thumb|125px|Grotle in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Tru}}
{{adv|Diamond}} had a Grotle named Tru, which is his {{p|Turtwig}}'s evolved form. It became stronger and (slightly) faster in this new form, but was scarcely used for battles, as it would have been ineffective against [[Gardenia]]'s {{type|Grass}} Pokémon, though it still helped {{adv|Platinum}} train for future Gym battles. Soon afterwards, the Grotle became a {{p|Torterra}} alongside [[Chimler]] in [[Veilstone City]] fighting a legion of {{tc|Galactic Grunt}}s, and its power and endurance grew tremendously.

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
{{OBP|Jun|DPA}}'s Turtwig evolved into a Grotle off-screen and later into Torterra.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Grotle (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|gen=4
|type=grass
|diamonddex=It lives along water in forests. In the daytime, it leaves the forest to sunbathe its treed shell.
|pearldex=The shell is hardened soil. Some Pokémon come to peck the berries growing on the trees on its back.
|platinumdex=It knows where pure water wells up. It carries fellow Pokémon there on its back.
|hgssdex=A Grotle that lives in the forest is said to have its own secret springwater.
|bwdex=It knows where pure water wells up. It carries fellow Pokémon there on its back.
|b2w2dex=It knows where pure water wells up. It carries fellow Pokémon there on its back.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Turtwig}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Turtwig}} |
hgssex=pal|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Turtwig}} |
b2w2ex=none |
b2w2area=[[Trade]]|
}}
====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]]
|md2=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]] Advanced Mode C & A
|ranger3=[[Canal Ruins]]
|rumble2=Desert: [[Sunny Seashore]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass |
HP= 75 |
Attack= 89 |
Defense=85 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Speed= 36 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=grass|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|52|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Turtwig|grass|grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|304|Aron}} {{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}} {{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|273|Seedot}} {{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}} {{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|444|Gabite}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15|Smart|0||''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10|Tough|2||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}} {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}{{MSP|247|Pupitar}}{{MSP|248|Tyranitar}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|Beauty|2}}{{learnlist/breedf|Turtwig|grass|grass|4|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Grass Pledge|Grass|Special|50|100|10||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Grotle|Grass|Grass|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
ndex=388 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-10 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Grass |
assist2=Grass |
field2=Tackle |
field2power=2 |
browser2=It attacks by {{m|Razor Leaf|launching leaves}} like daggers. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Grass |
assist3=Grass |
field3=Tackle |
field3power=3 |
browser3=It creates vines around itself that make Pokémon Slowed. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=3|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=3|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=387
|name1=Turtwig
|type1-1=Grass
|evotype1=Level
|level1=18
|sprite2=388
|name2=Grotle
|type1-2=Grass
|evotype2=Level
|level2=32
|sprite3=389
|name3=Torterra
|type1-3=Grass
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=388|
name=Grotle|
}}
====Other sprites====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size: 80%; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{grass color dark}}; background: #{{grass color}};"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{grass color dark}}; background: #{{grass color light}}; width:160px"| [[File:Spr 4p Grotle intro.png]]
|-
| Platinum intro's sprite
|}

==Trivia==
* Grotle is the heaviest of the second-stage [[starter Pokémon]].
* Grotle is the only second-stage [[Sinnoh]] starter Pokémon to [[Evolution|evolve]] at [[level]] 32. {{p|Monferno}} and {{p|Prinplup}} both evolve at level 36.
* When Grotle evolves into {{p|Torterra}}, all of its stats increase by 20 points.

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Turtwig, Grotle and Torterra}}
Grotle is based on a {{wp|snapping turtle}}. It may also be based on a {{wp|World Turtle}}, most likely Akupara. World Turtles are mythical turtles who carry worlds and universes on their backs. It also may be based on the {{wp|Cultural depictions of turtles and tortoises#Japan|minogame}}.

====Name origin====
Grotle is a combination of ''{{wp|grove (nature)|grove}}'' and ''{{wp|turtle}}''. It may also derive from the term ''{{wp|grotto}}''.

Hayashigame is a combination of 林 ''hayashi'' (grove) and 亀 ''kame'' (turtle).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=grass|type2=grass
|ja=ハヤシガメ ''Hayashigame''|jameaning=From {{tt|林 ''hayashi''|grove}} and {{tt|亀 ''kame''|turtle}}
|fr=Boskara|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|bosquet|forest}}'' and ''{{tt|carapace|shell}}''
|es=Grotle|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Chelcarain|demeaning=From {{tt|''Chelonia''|Greek for turtle}}, ''{{tt|Carapax|carapace}}'', and ''{{tt|Hain|grove}}''
|it=Grotle|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=모부기 ''Mobugi''|komeaning=From {{tt|모 ''mo''|sprout}} and {{tt|거북이 ''geobugi''|turtle}}
|zh_cmn=樹林龜 / 树林龟 ''Shùlínguī''|zh_cmnmeaning=Literally "Forest turtle"

}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Tru]]
* [[Paul's Torterra|Paul's Grotle]]
* [[Ash's Torterra|Ash's Grotle]]

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=grass | prevnum=387 | nextnum=389 | prev=Turtwig | next=Torterra }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[it:Grotle]]
[[pt:Grotle (pokémon)]]

[[de:Chelcarain]]
[[es:Grotle]]
[[fr:Boskara]]
[[ja:ハヤシガメ]]
[[pl:Grotle]]
[[zh:树林龟]]

Hippowdon (Pokémon)

2013-11-01T23:52:47Z

Pringles: /* In side games */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=ground | prevnum=449 | nextnum=451 | prev=Hippopotas | next=Skorupi }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Hippowdon |
jname=カバルドン |
tmname=Kabaldon |
art=DP |
image=450Hippowdon.png | size=250px|
pron=<sc>''hip''-pao-don</sc> |
ndex=450 |
sdex=123 |
abrow=247 |
obrow=284 |
opbrow=104 |
type1=Ground |
species=Heavyweight |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Sand Stream |
abilityd=Sand Force |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=30 |
evde=2|
expyield=198 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=127|
color=Brown |
catchrate=60 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=hippowdon |
generation=4 |
footnotes=}}
'''Hippowdon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese:]] '''カバルドン''' ''Kabaldon'') is a {{type|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Hippopotas}} starting at [[level]] 34.

==Biology==
Hippowdon is a large, hippo-like Pokémon with skin color based on its gender. It is light brown if male, and black if female. It has a dark gray back and muzzle with several holes in them. Sand often spills out of the ports on its back and its nostrils. This sand is stored internally, and is used to create twisters when attacking. It has a large, rounded snout, a mouth filled with peg-like teeth, and red eyes. Hippowdon has black feet with four blunt claws each. It is short-tempered, and may hold its mouth agape as a display of strength. Hippowdon's massive jaws are capable of crushing cars.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Bertha Hippowdon.png|left|thumb|250px|Hippowdon in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Hippowdon made its anime debut in ''[[DP065|Sleight of Sand!]]''. This Hippowdon was the father of the {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Hippopotas}} that {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} rescued in [[DP044|''Mass Hip-Po-Sis!'']]. [[Dr. Namba]] charged [[Cassidy]] and [[Butch]] with the job of obtaining a sample of the sand that Hippowdon shoots out.

[[Jessie]] used a Hippowdon in the first leg of the Pokémon Triathlon in ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]

[[Bertha]]'s Hippowdon appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' where it was used in a battle against [[Ash's Torterra]].

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Hippowdon made cameo appearances in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.

A Hippowdon briefly appeared in ''[[DP185|Working on a Right Move!]]'' under the ownership of a Trainer where it was defeated in the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]] by another Trainer's {{p|Tangrowth}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP065|Hippowdon|Dawn's Pokédex|Hippowdon, the Heavyweight Pokémon. It creates an enormous {{m|Sandstorm|tornado of sand}} by blowing sand out of the holes in its body, and its mouth is over 6 feet in diameter.}}
{{Animedexbody|DP170|Hippowdon|Ash's Pokédex|Hippowdon, the Heavyweight Pokémon. As surprisingly fierce Pokémon, Hippowdon opens its giant mouth to intimidate adversaries.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Bertha Hippowdon Adventures.png|150px|thumb|Hippowdon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
A {{pkmn2|wild}} Hippowdon first appeared in ''[[PS361|Bombastic Bibarel & Heroic Hippopotas]]'', where [[Dr. Footstep]] set up a sticky carpet to collect its footprint, "finally" succeeding in extracting one from a Hippowdon. This, however, earned the ire of the Pokémon, which proceeded to send him and the {{adv|Diamond|three}} {{adv|Pearl|Sinnoh}} {{adv|Platinum|trainers}} flying with its {{m|Sand Tomb}}. As a result, Diamond and Platinum landed in the outskirts of [[Lake Verity]], away from Pearl and Footstep, and promptly had to face two {{tc|Super Nerd}}s hired by [[Team Galactic]] to drive out intruders.

Like in the games, [[Bertha]] has a Hippowdon. However, it has not been seen battling.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Hippowdon (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ground
|gen=4
|diamonddex=It blasts internally stored sand from ports on its body to create a towering twister for attack.
|pearldex=Its huge mouth is almost seven feet across. It has enough power to completely crush a car.
|platinumdex=Surprisingly quick to anger. It holds its mouth agape as a display of strength.
|hgssdex=It brandishes its gaping mouth in a display of fearsome strength. It raises vast quantities of sand while attacking.
|bwdex=Surprisingly quick to anger. It holds its mouth agape as a display of strength.
|b2w2dex=It is surprisingly quick to anger. It holds its mouth agape as a display of its strength.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=ground |
gen=4 |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea={{rt|228|Sinnoh}} |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea={{rt|228|Sinnoh}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Hippopotas}} |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Hippopotas}}|
b2w2rarity=[[Pokémon outbreak|Swarm]] |
b2w2area=[[Desert Resort]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Ground
|md2=[[Dark Crater]] (B1-B10)
|ranger2=[[Haruba Desert]]
|rumble=[[Bright Beach]] Advanced Mode B & S
|ranger3=[[Layuda Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|rumble2=Desert: [[Sunny Seashore]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=ground|
HP=108|
Attack=112|
Defense=118|
SpAtk=68|
SpDef=72|
Speed=47}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Ground
|Speed=1
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
ground=yes|
newelectric=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Yawn|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Yawn|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Fissure|Ground|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|363|Spheal}}{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|501|Oshawott}}{{MSP|502|Dewott}}{{MSP|503|Samurott}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Revenge|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|027|Sandshrew}}{{MSP|028|Sandslash}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|449|Hippopotas}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}{{MSP|551|Sandile}} {{MSP|552|Krokorok}}{{MSP|553|Krookodile}}|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}|Slack Off|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|631|Heatmor}}|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|631|Heatmor}}|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|631|Heatmor}}|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}{{learnlist/breedf|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|449|Hippopotas|d||||Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||BW}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Hippowdon|Ground|Ground|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=ground |
ndex=450 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Ground |
assist2=Ground |
field2=Sand Fill |
field2power=- |
browser2=It triggers {{M|Earthquake|tremors}} and opens {{M|fissure}}s in the ground. It also spits hunks of sand. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Ground |
assist3=Ground |
field3=Crush |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It triggers tremors to attack. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=4|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=4|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=449
|name1=Hippopotas
|type1-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=34
|sprite2=450
|name2=Hippowdon
|type1-2=Ground}}

===Sprites===
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|ndex=450
|gender=both
|type=ground
|name=Hippowdon
|gen=4
}}

==Trivia==

* In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]], both Hippowdon and Hippopotas have the same recruit rate, something rarely found with Pokémon of the same evolutionary line.
* Despite having obvious gender differences, both Hippowdon and its {{p|Hippopotas|pre-evolution}} have only one menu sprite, both of which depict the male variation.

===Origin===
Hippowdon is based on a {{wp|hippopotamus}}. Because of the spouts upon its back that constantly spit sands, Hippowdon and its preevolution may be based upon the legendary {{wp|Bahamut}} as, in some accounts of the myths behind it, it is said to support a bed of sand and have the head of a hippo.

====Name origin====
Hippowdon is a combination of ''hippopotamus'', ''power'', ''powder'' (as in sand), or ''pow'' (onomatopoeia for a bodily hit), and ''don'' (Spanish for ''lord''; Ancient Greek for ''tooth'').

Kabaldon is a combination of 河馬 ''kaba'' (hippopotamus) and ''don''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ground|type2=ground
|ja=カバルドン ''Kabaldon''|jameaning=From 河馬 ''kaba'' (hippopotamus) and ''don'' (Spanish for lord; Ancient Greek for tooth)
|de=Hippoterus|demeaning=From ''hippopotamus''
|fr=Hippodocus|frmeaning=From ''hippopotamus'' and ''diplodocus''
|es=Hippowdon|esmeaning=Same as English name
|it=Hippowdon|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=하마돈 ''Hamadon''|komeaning=From {{tt|하마 ''hama''|hippopotamus}} and ''don'' (Spanish for lord; Ancient Greek for tooth)
|zh_cmn=河馬獸 ''Hé Mǎ Shòu''|zh_cmnmeaning=Literally "Hippopotamus beast".
}}
 

==External links==

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Talk:Pokémon-Amie

2013-10-31T03:21:42Z

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Serena (anime)

2013-10-31T03:19:04Z

Pringles: some awkward wording I needed to fix

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image=Serena XY.png |
caption=Artwork from {{series|XY}}|
colors=yes|
eyes=Blue |
hair=Honey |
gender=Female |
hometown=Unknown |
region=[[Kalos]] |
relatives=[[Grace (Kalos)|Grace]] (mother) |
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'''Serena''' (Japanese: '''セレナ''' ''Serena'') is a future {{ashfr|traveling companion}} of {{Ash}} who debuted in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]].

==History==
Serena first appeared in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'', where she was forcibly woken up by her {{kal|Grace|mother}}'s {{p|Fletchling}}. In ''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]'', she attempted to practice {{p|Rhyhorn}} racing so that she may follow in her mother's footsteps. However, her attempts at controlling her Rhyhorn ended with her being sent crashing into the ground.

Later that evening, Serena complained about her earlier practice leaving several scratches over her face. She sat down to watch a news report covering an incident currently going on in [[Lumiose City]]. She saw a young man trying to calm down a rampaging {{p|Garchomp}} at Prism Tower and realized that he was [[Ash Ketchum]], someone she had known from before. The next day, while feeding Rhyhorn, Serena notes that something interesting was going to happen, and that it involved Ash.

She began her Pokémon journey in [[XY003]] and set off to [[Professor Sycamore]]'s lab. After arriving, Professor Sycamore confirmed that the boy she had saw on the television was indeed Ash Ketchum. She was then offered to choose her [[starter Pokémon]].




==Voice actors==
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|ja=牧口真幸 ''[[Mayuki Makiguchi]]
|en=[[Haven Paschall]]
|es_eu=Isacha Mengíbar}}

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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| セレナ ''Serena''
| From ''serene''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Serena
| Same as Japanese name.

|}

==Related articles==
* {{ga|Serena}}

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