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Omnis: /* English name */

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==File not showing up==

The artwork won't show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter's artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==500==
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}
:No. At the moment we don't know that for sure, and once we do it'll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there'll be no need. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It's like saying we don't know that you'll be able to buy Poké Balls. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Have something like "Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex." [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's some trivia relating this: Mijumaru is one of two starter Pokémon to have a National Pokédex number that is divisible by 100, the other being Turtwig. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy Appletree]] 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Turtwig isn't the 400th, it's Piplup. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::First, do not reply to old comments. Second, you're actually wrong. Piplup is 393, Chimchar is 390, and Turtwig is 387. 400 is Bibarel. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]
:Mudkip wasn't a reptile though, it's amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn't matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, my bad, but they're still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Amphibians are not fish, nor are fish amphibians, though I do see what you are trying to say. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 08:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Some Trivia revealed through Anime Video: Mijumaru here has FANGS. --Dermodio 14:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010

Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don't Hug Lucario!}}

Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:If I may add, the 'maru' in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that 'maru' can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::"丸" (まる, ''maru'') means "circle". The other two B&W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, ''mijuku'') does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Name origin currently lists 'mizu'. Can an admin add the extra about 'mijuku' please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:The ending "maru" is also a suffix of many Japanese ships {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}

Another possibility: {{wp|Ring of Bright Water}} is a novel/movie about a man who finds and adopts an otter named Mijbil, nicknamed Mij. Phonetically, Mijbil would likely be ''Mijubiru'', with Mij being ''Miju''. Add the common name suffix -maru for distinct distancing (re: Abra line Japanese name controversy). It can't be a coincidence. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get deleted? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn't showing up coz of sync issues :( —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==Uhm...==
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's a placeholder. We don't know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex? Not this whole image of course, but I couldn't find the clean sprite by itself. Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Couldn't we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It's done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==

This pokemon knows Water Pulse... [[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:And just how do you know that? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Mijumaru can also learn Shell Blade, as Munna's Forewarn ability alerted it to the move. {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}

It also learns Revenge, the moves were shown on youtube vids....[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 18:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

which will not be added until the games come out..... -__- [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Mijumaru is a bipedal sea otter-like Pokémon, primarily light blue, dark blue, and white in coloration. Mijumaru has a rounded, spherical white head, with small, triangular dark-blue ears to the sides. Mijumaru’s eyes are large, dark, and ovular in shape; its dark-orange nose is shaped like an oval tilted to the side. Mijumaru also possesses speckles to the sides of its face, most likely meant to be a stylistic implication of short whiskers in the common manner of cartoon canines, and light blue bubble-esque features composing a “collar” around its neck. Mijumaru’s torso is light blue, and decorated with a pale yellow seashell feature in the center. Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet---having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits---colored dark blue. Mijumaru also possesses a slightly plank-shaped dark blue tail. (I should facilitate my efforts before other persons fill in Physiology sections before me...) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks again Steph, these are so well written! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's perfect. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 02:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The "---" looks unusual. Is it supposed to be some kind of wiki code that is broken? I think a simple dash (—) would be much better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Fixed. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK, can you put spaces around the dashes too please? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::Those em dashes aren't supposed to have spaces between them and the word, so technically it is right how it is. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Evolution==
Mijumaru's evolutions name is Rakonosua (ラコノスア) Originating from rakka meaning Sea Otter in japanese - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Vkickass}} ([[User talk:Vkickass|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vkickass|contribs]]) ''
:Is this from the anime beta art? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::What source did you get this name from? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
the beta art, it took a little effort to read it, and i thought that it would be terribly wrong, but it ended up making sense[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 01:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It says ラコノスケ (Rakonosuke), not ラコノスア (Rakonosua) on the chart and seeing as how ツタージャ (Tsutarja) is nicknamed アイビー (Ivy) there, there is no guarantee that Rakonosuke is it's actual name and not a nickname. It would fit with Mijumaru especially considering that -maru is a Japanese male name suffix just as -(no)suke is, but the problem is that it could just be a nickname so It's best to just wait :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC))

== Possible new info ==

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8454/1279467961547.gif

speaking of it's evolution I came across a (fake or not who knows...) gif of it's evo..I'm willing to bet it came from that black and white demo ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC))
:That sprite came from a devianArt user. [http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Mijumaru-evo-sprite-170196576?q=gallery%3APokemon-Diamond%2F4804376&qo=4 Here is the link] --[[User:Crimsonnavy|Crimsonnavy]] 19:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Questions ==

First question, why does Mijumaru's evolutions show up as the hack L? Shouldn't it show up as question marks? Putting it up as L might just confuse some people. Second question, how do you edit pages again? I noticed that there was no little "edit" at the end of each section so i was wondering. I was going to say that the feet resembled an otter's flippers. Thanks. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:To answer your questions, we don't have sprites for it's evolutions, that's why it shows up as a glitch. I don't know why it would confuse people, unless you really believe it evolves into a glitch Pokémon. Secondly, you can't edit this page because it's protected, like all new Pokémon pages. If you want something added then discuss it on it's talk page. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh ok thanks. Yeah the L doesn't confuse me but it might confuse another random person who knows ziltch about pokemon. So, lets discuss it now, I was thinking of adding in the info that its feet resemble an otter's flippers, who's for it? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That's a bit redundant, since it's already mentioned under it's origin that it's based on a Sea Otter. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 22:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the question mark further up is alot more appropriate than the glitch sprite. A question mark would get instant recognition by any reader that the evolutions are unknown, which is what we should be shooting for.--[[User_talk:Jack Harkness|J.Harkness]] 22:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::@ Jello: True, I thought of that too, right after I posted that. @ J. Harkness: That’s exactly what I was thinking, and for the other starters of this region too. So here is how I think the second to last sentence should look. "Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet—having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits and the appearance of small flippers—colored dark blue." [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 23:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for the suggestions, we've gone around and changed the sprites to something more appropriate. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 23:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...hack L? Kids these days... don't even know about Missingno... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== About its National number ==

Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you'd not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it's gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you'd know there's 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like "let's see how many they added" and more like "oh, there's so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...". Sure, futile anyway, given that we'll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we've had since Gen I.

Mijumaru, until further notice, is staying at #500. We cannot assume anything different than it being seventh after Arceus, just as Totodile is seventh after Mew, Mudkip is seventh after Celebi, and Piplup is seventh after Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mammalian ==
I hate to be a stickler, but Pikachu is based off of a mammal. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, I think that piece of trivia doesn't include Pikachu; yes, it was the starter in Yellow, but it isn't an official "starter Pokémon" since it isn't one of the first three evolutionary lines in any regional Pokédex. But I do think the trivia about being the first non-Fire type mammalian starter could be removed. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 01:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if we want to do this, Eevee from XD is a mammal, as well as as countless others from side series games. But I think it should stay, a Yellow wasn't a regular version.----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 13:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

<s>Meowth thats right!</s> You are absoloutley correct. Though Perhps it could be changed to "The first Mamillian Starter ''from the main games'' not to be a fire type." --Dermodio 14:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The problem with that is that Yellow, Colosseum, and XD are all considered "main series" games. So really there's no good way to include this.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 15:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, about Mijumaru being the only water type mammal pokemon? He's not, what about Buizel and Floatzel, the other otter based water type pokemon?[[User:Ultimos-11|Ultimos-11]] 06:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Excuse me, but I think you should read ''that'' trivia again.
:It says "''Mijimaru is the first '''Water-type starter Pokémon''' to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type.''"
:So, we are talking about Water-'''Starter''' Pokémon not a normal water type. Buizel and Floatzel are not starters ya know. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 06:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ability ==

On the Demo released for Black and White when this Pokémon enters battle it starts raining. That means it has the ability Drizzle. Can someone add that?
--[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Mijumaru was sent in second; that means nothing. The player and Bel could have easily been on a route where it rains. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::It was a wild battle against that electric Zebra Pokémon. And there was clearly no rain in the overworld before the battle started. Could someone please translate the text in the wild battle screen? --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:::There is also rain in the battle between Mijumaru and Tsutarja at 0:25 in the video.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, the more I look at the video, the more I think that since this is a demo, the rain might be an arbitrary addition to show weather effects in battle. It's raining in every battle that Mijumaru takes part in, but the hiragana doesn't match the Japanese for either Rain Dance or Drizzle.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::But its still a version of the game. The developers aren't going to just make it rain in battle. If there smart they'll make the demo closest to the game as possible. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 03:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::If you pay attention closely during the battle during the wild Shimama, you can see that the rain effect doesn't show up between turns, meaning that they either changed the weather mechanics so that you aren't reminded every turn about the weather, or that (natural) rain doesn't have an effect on the actual battle (as opposed to rain from Drizzle or Rain Dance). Of course, even that's speculation. In any case, it's not confirmed that Mijumaru has Drizzle, so we shouldn't put it on the article yet. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 03:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Just thought I'd add in here that with the [[n:Pokémon Sunday features new footage from Black and White|higher quality video]] that we've gotten, you can clearly see the rain in the overworld. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Okay I can see it now. Never mind. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 13:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Shell Blade ==

It should be noted that Mijumaru's shell appears to be detachable, as it is holding it in the poster for [[Best Wishes]]. It seems likely this is how it will use its Shell Blade attack. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:The preview for best wishes shows it using as a shield, so it shouldn't just say attacking....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Typo ==

* '''Mijimaru''' is the first {{type2|Water}} [[starter Pokémon]] to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the {{type2|Fire}}.
:Can we get a "Miju" out of the "Miji", please? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::After several conflicts, it's been fixed. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Mijumaru ==

Ash was seen commanding a Mijumaru and beating the smack out of Dento's Yanappu...so shouldnt sair Article be protected? (if it isnt already) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Way ahead of you there. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, shouldn't it be added that a Mijumaru is owned by Ash in the anime section? --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 21:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not confirmed, hence the protecting.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah I saw the trailer too. I saw a Yanappu then behind it I saw Dento so I guessed it was a gym battle then I thought it would be battling against Ash and then I saw a Mijumaru and just behind it I saw Ash!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 12:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::*sigh* What have we explained over and over for years? WAIT UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I know, I know--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Mijumaru and the evolution were made from the image of the Japan(samurai). ==

It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia.
It is described that the animal that makes it to the theme is a sea otter and a sea dog. The sea dog will appear after it evolves. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:the heck is a sea dog? (all I get is actual pictures of dogs) so it's another fan interpretation proven correct? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It was Sea lion(アシカ/ashika). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::This makes the starter evos look more real.....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::The mistake was able to be noticed thanks to you. I thank you.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Third evo type? ==

Has it been confimed that the third evolution is simply water, like it's listed under the evolution section? I only ask because it may have a secondary type and we probably shouldn't list it as Water until confirmed otherwise. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 16:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:1. no and 2. no starter changes it's primary type..ever...and never will...when it's fully revealed it'll be changed..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]]

== Special Abilities ==
Would it be okay to mention that the shell on Mijumaru's belly is able to be removed and used as a weapon? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 13:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:<code>a pale yellow seashell feature in the center, which can be removed and used in various ways.</code>

Read article first.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 14:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I am aware of that but... because this is an ability that is most likely uniqu to the Mijumaru family I think it would fit better under Special Abilities. Could we move the part about it being used as a tool? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 00:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== English name ==

The English name for it is Oshawott, as said on the official site. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 23:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Originwise... surely it's a sort of spoonerism of "Ottawosh?" "Otter" and "Wash," but with the syllables mixed up. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

:Really? I could have thought it was a mix of "ocean" (or at least the way it sounds), and "water"+"otter", shortened, obviously. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 00:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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== origin ==
Given that the "ja" means "snake" (acording to Pokebeach), I think it is safe to assume that Tsutaaja is based on a snake. Mind putting that in the page? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 00:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Tsutaaja is the くさへびポケモン (Grass Snake Pokémon).
Tsuta (蔦) means ivy and Ja is another reading for hebi (蛇), which means snake.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:How many snakes do you know have feet? I doubt that is a correct translation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::The translation is pretty accurate, the source may be not. But the source has nailed the description of the protagonists, the region name, the fact that the other starters were a fire pig and a sea otter before the scans leaked... And I have seen freaky snakes with legs.. XD Mutations nonetheless. And that would be "Grass Snake" as in a snake of/from grass, not as in the real world species "Grass Snake".--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There actually is a type of snake with legs, albeit really small ones. It's native to Australia, if I remember right. I know they have one at the Cairns Zoo, anyway. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus this doesn't have feet, but it looks like tsutaaja [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxybelis_fulgidus I would sooner assume Tsutaaja is based off of a Vine Snake. In fact, I'd say it's fairly definite. [[User:Flint|Flint]] 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::: I think Origin should just mention grass snakes (green kind mostly) instead of getting very technical with species, seeing as there is far too many snakes that Tsutaaja may be based on. And maybe that early tidbit of a very few snakes having legs could also be mentioned. And is it just me, or does the collar it has kinda makes it resemble an unripened banana? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: It looks to me as though Tsutaaja may have been based off of a skink of sort, however skinks are closer related to lisards than snakes. I also think because this is a Pokémon that the collaring may have just as likely come from the fact that it is a grass type species. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== bad grammar in the Origin section ==

Can we fix this?: "Tsutaaja may be based off a lizard or a snake. Its shared traits with boths make it similar to skinks."
It should be "... with both makes it similar...". my dictionary and i are fairly sure "boths" isn't a word and the grammar in that sentence is atrocious anyway. --[[User:Lulu chan126|Lulu chan126]] 22:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== images ==

Uhh, I have the three guys images saved, to upload, if a mod can do that...
[http://img24.imageshack.us/i/497pokabu.png/][http://img219.imageshack.us/i/500mijumaru.png/][http://img10.imageshack.us/i/494tsutaaja.png/] [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 05:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

:As do I, but I Beilieve the Admin isn't allowing editing for those Images . . . not that any are even there. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 07:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've seen them on Legendary Pokémon fan site. Not sure if it is okay to use them. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::sprites too, along with zoroark's...[http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1666/spritesu.png] {{unsigned|Megadog}}

== height ==

the height and weight of it is 0.6 m and 8.1 kg {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Got a source that isn't Serebii? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Filb.de, trom. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Acceptable Speculation? ==
Is it alright to add in details that have been present for all of the Pokemon starters so far; such as EXP At Level 100, EXP Yield, and Gender Ratio? After four generations of Pokemon games having them identical, it's highly unlikely to be different this time. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 11:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Passing off unsourced speculation as fact is bad. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:: You say that, but the starters all have National Dex numbers (494, etc.). Where does ''that'' information come from? I know it's an educated guess, but at the moment it's still just a guess. The same goes for the types - do we know they're all pure types? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We know at least one of their types. So we put that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Should we at least list their secondary types as {{type2|???}} to indicate that we only know their primary types? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name romanization ==

Why are we romanizing the name as "Tsutaaja"? {{bp|Manual of style/Romanization}} states that macrons should be used instead of doubling letters, unless the trademarked romanization begs to differ. And there is no trademarked romanization (I scoured the trademark database last night) - we don't even have official confirmation that these ''are'' the starters' names.

I mean, I personally don't like macrons, but shouldn't we romanize it as "Tsutāja," as per the MoS? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Most people would link to the redirect anyway... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shouldn't we just call it Tsutaja? When {{p|Piplup|Pocchama}} was first revealed it was just romanized as Pochama on this site. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 21:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not going to stick this way anyway, I'd just leave it. Unless we rename the page [http://kotaku.com/5538319/pokemons-smugleaf-a-meme-in-the-making/ Smugleaf]. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::::No, we should use this name 'tsutaaja' till we don't gate its official English name..! -{{u|Amitrc7th}}

:::::FYI, this site would prefer to use trademarked romaji if it's available. We never romanized ポッチャマ as Potchama or Pocchama because we were given both the official katakana and the official romaji (Pochama) on the same day. We should have official romaji soon, and I'm pretty sure that no official romaji has ever used a macron, so this whole issue should be a moot point soon. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 06:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.6m (2ft)

Weight: 8.1kg (17.9Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:Well, you don't really have to look at pokebeach for that one. You can just look at the scans. XD
:But yeah, those (in metric system) are accurate. And I don't really understand why haven't anyone added those. o_O They added the ability and species, but those are on the very same scan as height and weight. Also, the name origin is pretty much a given already. Can someone add all those, please?--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== In the anime ==
Tsutarja, is a reptile-based [[Grass-type]] [[starter]] Pokémon. Since [[Ash Ketchum]] (Satoshi) has captured all the Grass-type starters and most of reptile-like Pokémons, it is highly possible that he will get this Pokémon somehow in Black and White saga (if he is going to appear in this anime saga). -{{u|Amitrc7th}}
:That's speculation. Bulbapedia has rules against speculation, so it won't be added to the page until he catches it (if he does). By the way, please put new comments at the bottom of the page. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Please bring these conversation to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[[File:SpriteTstuaaja.png|thumb|right]]

== This needs to be moved. ==

To Tsutāja. You know, long a's and stuff. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 19:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:I believe that the reason the article is at Tsutaaja for the time being is that we want to avoid using extraneous characters whenever possible in page titles. For some reason, it puts a strain on the server. At least, that's what I recall us deciding awhile back... I could be wrong, though. Either way, the double "a" indicates the same sound without the special character. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Haven't you noted Tsutaaja's striking resemblance to {{wp|Uroplatus phantasticus|this gecko}}? A reptile with a tail that looks like a leaf. It has rather huge eyes, too, just like Tsutaaja. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 21:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Eh it's a possibility, but since it's a "snake" Pokémon I doubt it...[[User:.insomniac.|«ιɴsσ]]м[[User_talk:.insomniac.|ɴιαc»]] 07:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::But do we have any snakes that also have a leaf-like tail? Sure snakes with legs exist, but Tsutaaja does seem to have characteristics of both snakes and lizards. I don't think this debate will ever end... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey look, it's a {{p|Treecko}}. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 00:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I really think this might be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_Snake glass snake]. They're actually lizards, but they resemble snakes. The leafy tail must be just decoration. :P -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 14:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:We will know more about this Pokémon come the English-language release (or, if we're lucky, the Jp release). Until then we will go on the most vague sort of information we've got. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

"Tsutaaja is a Grass-type lizard-like Pokémon. "
That should read "Tsutaaja is a Grass-type Snake Pokemon" or "snake-like Pokemon"

It's Japanese name and species name clearly define it as a snake, regardless of whether or not it has legs, officially, it is a snake. -Daisuke
:Appearance wise, it's a lizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Not necesarilly. There ''are'' types of snakes with legs. If anyone has a list of animals at Cairns Zoo in Queensland, Australia, they have them there. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name dispute ==

As stated [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=63621 here], http://www.pokabu.com/ and http://www.mijumaru.com/ are both correctly registered by TPCi, but there's no tsutaaja.com. There is a correctly registered http://www.tsutarja.com/ though. This is the closest we'll get right now to a trademarked name, and this romanization has been used on other sites before. Should this be changed?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Meh, I say keep it as it is, and create Tsutarja as a redirect. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::How come? That was a fandone romanization, while this one's official.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't all romanizations fandone at heart? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::...no... It's called [[List of Japanese Pokémon names|trademarked romaji]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hm, it seems then that it is Tsutarja. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
As well, Filb is calling the Pokémon Tsutāja. Is this just another romanization of the name? –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 05:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::I still don't understand. It's written Tsutaaja, on the show they pronounce it Tsutaaja, there's no other way to read it than Tsutaaja...But they call its Tsutarja? There's a big difference. If it was Tsutarja, it would probably be ツタアルジャ, not　ツタアージャ. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 19:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::No, that is not how it works. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::They ''did'' pronounce it as "tah-jah" on Pokemon Sunday though. If that means anything. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Five char limit in Pokemon, even if they changed the limit for JP games... it wouldn't be ツタアージャ (romanized as "Tsutaa'aja", I believe?), and "アー" can be romanized as an "ar" sometimes. Also... I'm pretty sure they also pronounced "Pocket Monsters" as "poketto monsutaa" on Pokesun (from what I can hear anyway, they talk too faaaaaast). So yeah. D: ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually there isn't a big difference between Tsutaaja and Tsutarja. It's called a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents non-rhotic] r. You may have noticed that people from London or Boston tend to not pronounce the letter r when it's and the end of a word or before a consonant. Well, in Japanese the r sound can only ever come before a vowel, so when the letter r is at the end of a word or before a consonant they tend to approximate the sound with a long a, sometimes written aa. Take my name, Peter, for example. Someone from London or Boston would probably drop the r sound at the end, and likewise the Japanese approximate it as ピーター and pronounce it Piitaa. R's before consonants or at the ends of words are almost always approximated by a long a and not a ル. {{unsigned|Drapion}}
::::Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for ar/er is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト (ānesuto), Schumaker is シュメイカー (shumeikā), etc. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Bird of Paradise Flower ==

I know that the new pokemon is based on a grass snake, but if you look at it's snout and it's tail, it reminds me of a {{wp|Strelitzia}} a.k.a. the Bird of Paradise Flower. I know that this is a foolish question, but I suggest that you should put that in to what the new pokemon is based of in Origin? - [[User:Cynthia149]] 09:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe this got a "no" when you suggested it before... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I contacted that question to [[User:TTEchidna]] weeks ago, and he said that the origin will be changed when more info is unleashed. You have a look at the flower when the pod is closed, and then you will see the resembelence to this new Pokemon. - [[User:Cynthia149]] 20:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If that's what he said, then that's what we're going by. We have not gotten any more information on the starters since then. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::When the information is ''unleashed''? Is it going to turn into a [[wp:Sonic Unleashed|werewolf?]] -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==

According to a video, This pokemon either used Razor Leaf or Leaf Storm, I am not sure which...[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's Leaf Storm, to clarify. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:But we don't know what level it learns it at, so there's not really anywhere we can put it in the article.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology to be added by admins ==

I wrote up a physical description of Tsutarja for the Physiology section, since as of now it's pretty sparce. I know there's certain info that can't be added as of now, but I don't see why we can't have basic appearance descriptions. Besides, Pokabu has a much more extensive Physiology section. It's up for use if someone wants to add it.

"Tsutarja is a reptilian Grass-type Pokémon. Most of its body is green in coloration, while it has a cream-colored underside. A yellow stripe runs down the length of its back and tail, and it also has yellow markings around its large eyes. Yellow, curved structures protrude from its shoulders and bend backwards. These structures resemble leaves or small wings and give Tsutarja the appearance of wearing a collar. In spite of being snake-like in appearance, it has fully-developed limbs. Its slender arms are the same green color as the rest of its body and have three fingers, while its tiny feet match its underside in coloration and have no digits whatsoever. It has large, palmate leaf with three prongs on the end of its tail.

[[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] 02:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)Togeknight

== First Evolution? ==

In the recent Black/White Anime series leak on [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Anime_season_title_revealed Bulbanews], an image was released that includes what looks to be first evolutions for, at the very least, Tsutarja and Mijumaru. I think Pokabu's first evolution is there as well next to the new female character. Either way, is there any way to crop down those images and place them in the articles, or is this a case of "wait for clearer images?" --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 17:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

that thing looks nothing like pokabu...even more so than the whole remoraid octillery thing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC))
:This is both a case of clearer images. Anything like that would be speculation. It may look the same, but may not be related. We'd need further confirmation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tsutarja's evolution's name is Kenayake (ケナャーケ) [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

:Even the biggest scans I can find of them are too small for them to be sharpened and still be readable, but the katakana would be ケナヤーケ, not ケナャーケ, which is Kenayaake, but if it follows Tsutarja, it's probably gonna be Kenayarke. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 23:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it says Tsutakake (ツタケーク), but even if that what it says, we have absolutely no idea if that's the final name for it. (I say this because, on the character sheet in question, Tsutarja is called "Ivy" and Mijumaru is called something like "Rakkomaru." Uhh...?) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest we leave the matter alone until something official pops up. The character sheet's names are small, and up to interpretation. And even if we manage to find which translation is correct, the name could change at any time. And to that point, the design itself could change since it appeared on beta artwork.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, but this was beta artwork for the ''animé'', not the games. I'm sure the finalized versions of the Pokémon were set long before that beta artwork was released.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 01:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Now that there are actually pages for the (first) evolutions of the starters, shouldn't that be mentioned on the basic Pokémon pages? At the very least, that would be consistent, since it is stated that, for example, Janoby '''does''' evolve from Tsutarja. If we are that sure, it should be included here too. [[User:Turkadactyl|Turkadactyl]] 21:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those pages are currently in the userspace. They aren't totally confirmed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::But considering that they are included in [[:Category:New Pokémon]], as opposed to their own article (that says they are speculative) like the possible Stage 2s, wouldn't that assume that Bulbapedia is recognizing them as official? I guess I feel like it's still a consistency issue. At the very least if they're going to be included as "New Pokémon then it should be said on the basic page that it's speculated that they evolve into the higher forms. [[User:Turkadactyl|Turkadactyl]] 23:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I forgot to mention that they are now confirmed, didn't I? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Smugleaf ==

Since we mentioned the "so i herd u liek mudkipz" internet meme in the trivia section on Mudkip's page, should we mention the "Smugleaf" internet meme in the trivia page for this article? - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:Because "so i herd u like mudkipz" was added to Mudkips trivia it would make sens to put it in there. But do the admins realy want information on something as unofficial as memes? I think it would be best to wait for a response from a member of the Bulbagarden staff. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 2:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::How far has this new meme spread? "so i herd u liek mudkipz" was a well established meme by the time we added it. Does this even come close? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I beleve it was created by a youtuber calld IAMTHEOBNXIOUSDOUCHE. It has three vidios making it a small series, all three vidios currantly have together have 8188 veiws. The first vidio was posted two months ago. The only article I've seen about it anywher els (there may be more outside of this) is KOTAKU who apparently claimed it as there own creation. In short it is not very well known but it is growing.[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It's spread to a forum populated almost entirely by Sonic fans, and the users of that forum will probably be referring to it as Smugleaf until the English name is revealed. I think that's pretty far for a Pokémon-related internet meme. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::If thats true would it be right to say that the meme had earnd it the nickname Smugleaf, because that may be a piece of trivia to mention in the future. (assuming that the official name does not actualy become Smugleaf wich it most likely will not) [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Basically, most people know Tsutarja as Smugleaf. Its far easier to say/type, and has become widespread. It started literally the first day the starters were announced. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But that still makes it a fan-made nickname, should we mention it in the trivia section or leave it alone?[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 7:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I say we mention it in trivia - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::::::So hey, who remembers the fan nicknames that were given to the fourth-gen starters before their English names were revealed?
:::::::::...Yeah, that's right, neither do I. And four years from now, I'll bet no one will remember "Smugleaf" either. So, I say not notable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/smugleaf --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 02:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe we should wait until this nickname becomes a little more widespread. The point at which it would be considered widespread enough to add to the page could be decided by the Bulbapedia staff. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: The nickname isn't the real dispute its the meme based on a youtube vidio that we thougt should be put in. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Can we please just drop it until, as {{u|Steph}} says, things are handled a bit better in the sense we wait? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Everywhere I looked when the Gen4 starters were released, they were referred to by their Japanese name. Tsutarja, however, seems to carry the name Smugleaf with it everywhere it goes. It's a very widespread nickname from what I can tell. I've yet to meet any Pokémon fan who doesn't refere to it by this nickname so I see no reason for it to be exluded from the trivia section. Less significant things have made it into articals before and stuck. However, this so-called youtube meme... I've never heard of it.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 02:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::If it's name does turn out to be Smugleaf, it'll go down. Just wait. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it could be added after we get an English name. Also, I think it should be noted that the name was mentioned in my Official Nintendo Magazine Australia and New Zealand as a popular fan name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Pics or it didn't happen. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w355/SnorlaxMonster/IMG.jpg] It's too big for the archives, so I uploaded it to Photobucket. Pics prove it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::No idea that magazine even existed. I really only wanted the pics for the proof of the magazine :D Can you write an article on it? Also... [[a:File:NZAU Magazine Scan.jpg|I think I might just be awesome. Or something]] :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

===English name===
I bet it's "Snivy" or something, like all other Pokémon have similar English and Japanese name meanings. And you all are getting worked up over nothing. When stuff becomes notable, they will acknowledge it. After all, remember that hype in May of 2009? They picked up on it. They knew we wanted it. And then they announced it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== About its National number ==

Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you'd not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it's gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you'd know there's 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like "let's see how many they added" and more like "oh, there's so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...". Sure, futile anyway, given that we'll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we've had since Gen I.

Tsutarja, until further notice, is staying at #494. We cannot assume anything different than it directly following Arceus, just as Chikorita followed Mew, Treecko followed Celebi, and Turtwig followed Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Poor Origin Species Choice ==

The Origin Section on Tsutarja's page lables it as "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus Opheodrys aestivus], more commonly known as the rough green snake or green grass snake". I honsetly STRONGLY disagree with this noition. Other than the somewhat-similar color scheme, there's not TOO much in common- the face is WAY too different. I think that Tsutarja is MUCH more likely based on a somewhat-popular species [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Oxybelis_fulgidus_4.jpg known] [http://www.naturfoto-cz.de/photos/sevcik/green-vine-snake--oxybelis-fulgidus.jpg as the] [http://travel.mongabay.com/animals/080923/600/brnxz_711.jpg Vine] [http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog_images/best_photos_2009/9_TRAVEL_COSTARICA_JMG9804_c.jpeg Snake]. The Vine Snake is a snake species found all throughout the Americas. Specifically notice the very similar ''pointed nose'', that the Rough Green Snake notably lacks. Also note the similar nostril and the very sharp line that passes straight through it's eye. ...Thoughts? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 04:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think you may be right.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== evolutionary lvls ==

Shouldn't we write evolves at lvl 16 and will evolve a second time at 36. or somthing along thoes lines. Becasue we all know thoes are the evolutionary levles for all starters.--[[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Confirmation. We need it before we add anything to the articles.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 00:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Monferno: evolves from Chimchar at 14. Grotle: evolves from Turtwig at 18 and into Torterra at 32. So yeah, it isn't confirmed without confirmation. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

NO! Turtwig evolvs at 16 i already checked [[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Turtwig is my favorite Pokémon, I should know. Because that isn't proof, see {{p|Turtwig|this article}}. It says Turtwig evolves at 18. I also know because I have a level 17 Turtwig and it never once said it was going to evolve. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{u|Turtwig A|TA}}'s right. We won't know for sure until its officially revealed. There's nothing wrong with waiting. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 00:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Trust me, they could break entirely with tradition here. For all we know, all three of this new [[country]]'s starters could evolve for the first time at level 30 and the second time at level 55. Yes, if the previous countries' patterns actually counted for anything, this would suggest that all three starters would evolve first at level 16 and the second time around level 36, but there's no guarantee that the country of Isshu has to adhere to any odd-numbered-generation patterns that the countries of Kanto and Hoenn might have otherwise implied...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, there is no pattern. Currently the starters evolve from level 14-18, then 30-36. There isn't very much consistency, especially not enough for us to assume anything. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Head shaped like Cyndaquil's ==

I noticed Tsutarja's head is shaped alot like Cyndaquil's head. Would this be worth mentioning in the physiology section? After all, it is also mentioned that Piplup looks a little like Torchic and Pachirisu resembling Pikachu. Also worth mentioning its resemblance to Treecko and all grass starters so far being reptilian? --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Uh... no. First of all, I don't see the resemblance. Secondly, in the two cases you cited, the resemblance is far more than superficial. Piplup and Torchic are both small bird Pokémon with ovoid heads, tiny beaks, etc. When you consider that they're the only bird-based starter Pokémon, that can make for worthwhile trivia. Pachirisu and Pikachu are obviously similar—both are electric-type, small rodent Pokémon which store electricity in their cheeks... but Tsutarja is snake-or-lizard-like, while Cyndaquil is like a shrew; their eyes are noticably different... You need a little more to go on than "their heads are vaguely similar in shape (if you squint)." {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}

Well the only reason I mentioned it is only because their heads were similar, and that was the only similarity they have and I thought it would be worth mentioning that one similarity. They don't have to be based on the same animal in order to have a similarity somewhere. (Well of course except for color, that isn't enough of a similarity) Tsutarja's head IS similar shaped to Cyndaquil's head, but only the facial features are different, apart from the nose and mouth being in a similar location on their face. If Piplup's head was differently shaped and had different facial features, it probably wouldn't have been compared to Torchic, and if Pachirisu had no cheek pouches, it probably wouldn't be compared with Pikachu. The only other similarity is that they are birds and rodents, but different species. It's like comparing Taillow to Spearow. But if Cyndaquil and Tsutarja's head shape is not enough to mention as it's their one and only similarity, would it still be enough to mention that all grass type starters so far are reptilian? (Probably best to put it in the starter Pokémon section) Oh and you forgot to sign your comment. --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 21:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see any resemblance at all. I think those other resemblance points should be removed too, save for Lapras/Shellos, as many people did believe they were related by evolution before Gastrodon was revealed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

We have a beggining of Learnset by levelling-up about Tsutarja (as well as [[Pokabu]], [[Mijumaru]], [[Zorua]], [[Zoroark]], [[Reshiram]], [[Zekrom]], [[Moguryu]] and all the other ones) in German at [http://www.pokewiki.de http://www.pokewiki.de] {{unsigned|Wolfy Harfleur 76700}}

== Chlorophyll ==

Is it worth noting that even though it's Pokédex entry states that it's movements sharpen in sunlight, it cannot have the ability [[Chlorophyll_(ability)|Chlorophyll]]? {{unsigned|Pawsrent}}
:I don't know. With that new Dream World feature, which gives Pokémon new abilities, Tsutarja could be able to get Chlorophyll as a second ability. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Updated origin ==

Tsutarja is most likely based on ''{{wp|Oxybelis fulgidus}}'', a slender snake with a pointed head that inhabits {{wp|Central America}} and {{wp|South America}}. The Pokémon's combination of snake- and lizard-like features is also similar to that of the {{wp|skink}}, more specifically the {{wp|Neoseps}}. Neoseps heavilly resemble snakes but have small, stubby legs. Its head and general body shape, as well as its protrusions on its shoulders, are most likely based on the {{wp|Strelitzia|birds of paradise flowers}} and possibly the {{wp|Heliconia|false birds of paradise}}.

[[User:050294|050294]] 00:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

==National Pokedex # ==

Won't Victini come before it on the national pokedex making it #455?[[User:Captian Obvious|Captian Obvious]] 18:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:No, it's {{p|Carnivine}}.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::He means 495, and actually, all we know is that Victini is before Tsutarja in the Isshu Dex, we don't know if they may give Victini a number with the legends since Victini is a legend itself. D: --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:::The National Dex order doesn't always follow the Region Dex order. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm personally of the theory that Victini may even be #000 (inter)nationally. Of course, you could've just scrolled up, since I addressed this when we were told Victini is #000. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== A little more on origin ==

I know it's a bit early to say this, but after seeing the leaked evolutions, I've noticed that the middle evolution seems to have much smaller, deformed limbs, as if it was transitioning to losing its limbs for the final evolution which is more snake-like. Thinking a bit, according to the fossil record, some snakes are descendants of lizards. Meaning it was likely that snakes used to have limbs and eventually lost them as the populations evolved. Tsutarja's evolutions seems to reference that.

Would this be notable to mention in the evolutions' articles? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh look, someone agrees with me. I, too, believe that that Tsutarja is based of off actual evolution, considering that Janoby has smaller limbs than Tsutarja, and the final evo shall have even smaller limbs, if any at all. Most starter evos appear to based on them growing up than real evolution. Tsutarja's doesn't. [[User:Phoen|Black, White, and.... Purple?!? (Phoen!)]] 18:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:Losing limbs can happen during a creatures life-cycle. Some species of skinks do lose their arms and legs once they reach adulthood and even more familiar; catterpiler(12 limbs) >> Buterfly(6 limbs). Just thaught I should point that out. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 19:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tsutarja and the evolution were made from the image of the Europe and America. ==

It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It supplements. It is described by the developer, it is "和洋中(wayouchuu)".

Mijumaru 和(Japan).　Tsutarja 洋(Europe and America).　Pokabu 中(China).

"洋" has a hard time translating because it is vague. It is explained, "Foreign country" and "Europe and America" in wiktionary. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:On this topic, I noticed something just now. Looking at [http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/bwpia_draw06.jpg this image] from Pokébeach, it seems Tsutarja has got a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis Fleur-de-lis] design on the back of his neck/collar. Just reading the Wiki article reminds me of Tsutarja. Anyone else agree? [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 04:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
::I think you may be on to somthing, it was stated that Tsutarja's persanality was based on French royalty so that is most lkely what it is supposed to be. I would put that under apperance, somthing like (The Yellow markings on Tsutarja's back are reminiscent of the Fleur-de-lis). {{unsigned|EpicShadow}}
::洋 means "western" (as used from a Japanese/Asian perspective), at least in this case it definitely does. (和食 means "Japanese food", 洋食 means "Western food") [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anime ==

[[File:Tsutarja-anime.png|thumb|left|250px|Tsutarja in the anime]]
Does this deserve to be added to the anime section of the page? I think it would definetly be an improvement from having nothing. Maybe also adding that Shooti owns one that battles Ash's Pikachu in the first episode. [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 13:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:Did you have to add a picture that looks exactly like the one I use on my profile? (cept png) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 13:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:: well this one is better quality which, I thought, is always better. [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 13:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution... ==

Uh.....///... I'm probably late with this, (epicly :O) but... his evo was announced, Janobii, and it hasn't been added to his evolutionary line, nor has a page been created.... I think. >.> --[[User:Weruioh Star|Weruioh Star]] 21:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:They aren't totally confirmed. By the way, its called Janoby here. The page can be found [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Janoby (Pokémon)|here]][[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::http://shellspider.blog101.fc2.com/blog-entry-253.html Actually it has been proven [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:21, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
IT HASH BEN PROVEN!!! ...See? :D *shot* --[[User:Weruioh Star|Weruioh]] ★ [[User talk:Weruioh Star|Star]] 21:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I really didn't see that. Doesn't really matter though. I don't have authority here. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::One's sitting in the userspace. We'll put it in as soon as we're significantly convinced. Remember Aobasu? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:::The evolutions were even shown on Oha Suta today when they showcased the CoroCoro issue. Why is Bulbapedia so reluctant on posting them after THIS much confirmation? Surely you don't despise the starter evos to this extent? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: It was? if that doesnt confirm it I don't know what will...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::It isn't because we hate it. It's because Bulbapedia has seen a previous generation go by, as well as the CoroCoro fake, which made Giruja {{tt|fake|sadly}}. I do believe this is enough confirmation now.[[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think what we’re all forgetting is that Janoby, and Futachimaru, both appeared in the concept art for the anime. I would say that is more than enough proof for those two. Chaobu however… well we’ll have to wait for that one, but it is still very likely to be real. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 23:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's...already...been confirmed to be real [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Since they're confirmed beyond all doubts at this point, I'd say we go ahead and give them pages. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 00:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm saying we mainspace them now. They're confirmed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.pokemon.jp/portal/member/bw/pokemon/img/p30.jpg
http://www.pokemon.jp/portal/member/bw/pokemon/img/p31.jpg
http://www.pokemon.jp/portal/member/bw/pokemon/img/p32.jpg

Taken from the official site itself. They're as real as real can be. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 11:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should be noted that Tsutarja is the first grass starter that is not in the first Pokémon in the regional Pokédex? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 19:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Starters.. ==

Hi (:. Weren't the Isshu startes a gift from the player's mum or something? I was almost totally sure.. I'd add it but I don't want to mess up with info that I don't know for sure.. Please answer :D. Thank you![[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 05:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The letter on the box is signed by Araragi. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I see, cool. Thanks :D. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 06:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== On the origin (again) ==

The article states that "Tsutarja may be based on Oxybelis fulgidus, a slender snake with a pointed head that inhabits Central America and South America." It may be so, but in my opinion it more closely resembles an Asian snake {{wp|Ahaetulla nasuta}} especially at the head. Both have same "sharp", pointed nose and the eyes are also quite similar, at least in my opinion. --[[User:Lorem of ipsums|Lorem of ipsums]] 16:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Origin? ==

I was thinking that Tsutarja and its evolutionary line may be based off of the serpent from the Garden of Eden story. Seeing as God cursed the serpent to crawl on its belly and lose its legs, I figure that Tsutarja's progression throughout its evolution might reflect upon this. It's just an opinion, but I think it might be interesting to add. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 21:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
: It has a confirmed origin already..and I don't think that they would base it on that..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::Just because it has one confirmed origin doesn't mean that it has to ONLY be based on one. This actually seems like a plausible origin. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Resemblance to this snake! ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahaetulla_nasuta Look here at this long nosed whip snake. Doesn't Tsutarja's family have a similar head shape? Would this be worth mentioning in their origin sections? Be sure to look at all pictures of that snake in the section. Has a thin head and long skinny snout. --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 04:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==
I know that the English names will be revealed today, but for how long will it be protected? ♢ [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] ♢ 16:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:Speaking of which, the name is Snivy, as said [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/the-starter-pokemon/ on the official site]. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 23:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Small addition to name origin ==

I know it says that Snivy is a mix between "snake" and "ivy", but couldn't the word "snide" be part of it as well? [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 23:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Serperior (Pokémon)

2010-10-13T01:36:49Z

Omnis: /* Name Origin */ new section

Name of final evo is Jaroda.--[[User:Makupe|Makupe]] 13:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

It's probably obvious by now that Jalorda's name is based off of Ja (snake), and the English word, "Lord."[[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 01:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Fighting (type)

2010-10-10T15:31:00Z

Omnis: /* Error in the Trivia */ new section

Its resistance to Dark is impossibly useful in dealing with Ttars that decide to use Crunch, and the ilk.

Can we remove the opinion from all of thsoe segments? They don't really state too much competitive truth, sometimes...[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 06:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Question==

Generic question regarding the organization of all the type pages. Is there an appreciable difference between dual-types with a type (Fighting) as Type 2 or Fighting as Type 1? For example, Medicham is listed as a Fighting/Psychic type while Gallade is a Psychic/Fighting type. Beyond the order in which their types are listed in their summaries, is there a difference? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's half-Fighting and half-(other type) no matter what order it's in, so it doesn't really matter. Personally, the only way it would matter is with a Pokémon like Gallade (Psychic-Fighting) or Breloom (Grass-Fighting), since their other eveloutions are only a single type. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Most of the time the Pokémon would have stats, moves, appearence, and abilities that match their primary type more than their secondary type. Here's an example: Gallade/Medicham. Gallade can have more Psychic moves than Fighting moves and vice-versa with Medicham. Saybleye/Spiritomb: Spiritomb looks '''way''' more like a ghost than Saybleye. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 22:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

==Edited==

I'm sorry, but who wrote that Fighting is weak defensively? That's very untrue, and whoever wrote it clearly has very little knowledge of the game. I edited this out. [[User:Lulz|Lulz]] 16:33, 26 June 2008 (EST)
:Yea, you could have just put it in your edit summary... [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 20:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
::He/she wrote that because Dark and Rock can't affect it, and Psychic and Flying are uncommon. Actually, as a player progresses into the late stages of a game, many Psychic and Flying Pokémon appear. So, there's no problem editing it. [[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 02:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

That bug and fighting are one of two pairs that effect each other in the same way should be specified. Lots of pairings of types have normal damage both ways.. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Error ==

It says Triple Kick is a Beauty contest move but the page for Triple Kick says its a Cool move. This needs to be fixed up.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error in the Trivia ==

In the trivia section, it states, "As of Generation V, the Fighting type is the only type that has not been paired with the Flying-type." Isn't this incorrect, seeing as it still hasn't been paired with the ghost, dragon, electric, ice, or ground types either yet?

Not sure if I just read it wrong or not, but I just want to clear up any confusion I may have. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 15:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Snivy (Pokémon)

2010-10-06T21:39:03Z

Omnis: /* Possible Origin? */ new section

Talk:Gym Leader/Archive 1

2010-09-16T10:34:34Z

Omnis: /* Icicle Badge */ new section

Is it necessary to have "Jimu Rīdā" in there when that's just the Japanese pronunciation of "Gym Leader" to begin with? --BJG

Of course it is. JAPANESE IS GOOD AND ENGLISH IS BAD. Jimu Riidaa is obviously a different phrase than Gym Leader, and NoA CHANGED IT AND BASTARDISED IT when they translated the games! Just like Kurisutaru and Crystal are also DIFFERENT WORDS and so are Reddo/Red, and so forth. --Ketsuban

Assuming you were kidding, Ketsuban, I changed the Japanese to "Gym Leader"... also I got rid of some of the info at the beginning that was already covered under [[Gym]] AND [[Badge]]. If anyone thought it was also necessary here, feel free to revert back. Also, regarding this page, do we need to have the USE of the Badge if that's already covered under [[Badge]]? Also, shouldn't all the Badges be linked to the Badge page? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 01:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with linking the badges to the Badge page. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 21:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought the [[Badge]] page was mostly there so that individual illustrations of each badge would have a place to go. - Zeta

== Leader name and badge change ==

i changed Wake and Candice's stuff because of this
http://usera.imagecave.com/NeoSeifer/SinnohGymLeaders.bmp.jpg 
--{{unsigned|DSDark}}

Not too surprised that they're calling him Wake. After all, his full Japanese name (Maximum Maxi) was shortened to just Maxi. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 14:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Jasmine comment ==
An NPC in the Lighthouse in G/S/C mentions that Jasmine used to train Rock-type Pokémon. Her badge's name (Mineral) also sounds a little like a Rock-type badge. Therefore, hasn't every region technically had a Rock-type gym at some point?--[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:Unless there is a source that gives some of the Olivine Gym's history, we don't know for sure if it was ever for Rock types. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
::NPCS confirm that Jasmine did used to train Rock types as a Gym leader. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, there's a bloke (I think he's a sailor) in the lighthouse. He says he returned from his travels to Olivine and was shocked to find that the Gym Leader had change the type she specialised in. Hope this helps. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia, Trivia, and MORE Trivia ==

So last night I was really bored and decided to see any patterns in the Gym Leaders, along with some awkward stuff too..

*There are *usually* 4 females, and 4 males, however [[Johto]] breaks this rule, with 3 girls and 5 males. Unless Bugsy is a girl.
*Hoenn, has 4 Special-typed gyms, and 4 Physical-typed gyms. Hell, the gender is split evenly along Special and Physical, with 2 females and 2 males specializing in Special-type, and vice versa. Otherwise, the amount of Special-based and Physical-based are uneven.
*There was something else, but I can't remember it at this moment.

..yeah, I was bored alright. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 05:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:Usually 4/4? No... Kanto's 5/3 in I/III. Johto's 5/3. Hoenn's got 5/4 in both RS and E. Sinnoh's 4/4. Neo Kanto's 4/4. Though Hoenn's Physical/Special split is correct. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

* The face of Bugsy is truly male, not female. That's why Johto have 4 males gym leaders and 4 females gym leaders. Joannes
:Bugsy being male makes it 5/3, not 4/4. God, why can no one count... or spell. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== good trivia, I think ==

All the kanto gym types, before blue and with the exception of saffron's gym, are followed by a gym type with an advantage to them. Also all the johto gym types, with the exception of goldenrod's gym, precede a type they have an advantage against. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 18:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:See, whenever there's an "exception" in something like this, it makes it a lot weaker. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 18:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Normal-types are immune to ghosts, so that might not really be an exception. I think this is very interesting, since I'd never noticed that pattern before. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

==Redundancy==

Why is there a separate list for the Diamond/Pearl and Platinum gym leaders? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:The order changed in Pt.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::Orders can't change. Most of the time you either go down a set path, or you have some freedom in going to towns in what order you like. Now, unless the path was set and they rearranged the landscape to put one city before another, I find it highly unlikely that the "order was changed". [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It was changed. You '''must''' fight Fantina in order to go further than Hearthome City, or else you're blocked in. The order is changed and set. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That's not reason enough for me. Removed. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry but you do not have the authority to do that. Try a stunt like that again and you're blocked. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::How do I "not have the authority"? This is a Wikipedia, and is freely edited by its users... I'm not some guest, or low-level, never-edits user. I feel that that information is redundant, and should be removed. You cannot block me for doing something that is not in any way vandalism, or addition of non-notable, or un-verified information. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am an admin and I do not want this changed. You are going against an admin decision and that's what you can get blocked for. BTW, this is verified information. Why don't you try playing Platinum before you call something un-verified. What you were putting was not true. Fantina is not the fifth Gym Leader fought in Platinum. Crasher Wake is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I don't care if you are an admin. This is a freely-edited Wiki, and you can't have the articles exactly as ''you'' like them; they have to be encyclopedic.

::::::::I never said that that was unverified information. If you had read what I said clearly, you'd know that I was using that as an example to block someone; not as to the information in this article.

::::::::Finally, in Red/Blue/Yellow, you could fight Erika or Sabrina in any order. Heck, you could outright skip some gym leaders... So how were the lists for those gym leaders compiled in that specific order? We might as well make lists of every conceivable order, right? This article is about the '''gym leaders''', not the order of said leaders. Including the same leaders twice is nothing but redundant, and clogs space. 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Besides, you just called this wiki a {{wp|Main Page|Wikipedia}}. Bulbapedia's license and most of its practices are different from that of Wikipedia. Maybe if you read over {{bp|Manual of style|our manual of style}} and {{wp|Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia's manual of style}}, you'll see just how vastly different Bulbapedia is...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Your point being? I have read the manuals, and I see nothing on Bulba's that suggests this Wiki is not freely edited. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::If we let every user do what ever the hell they wanted to do then this place would be a mess. Admins need to take charge at times. It's not entirely free as you say. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Umm... You make me out to be an anarchist. I fully realize that admins are needed to police the edits and make sure nothing extreme is done. And by extreme I mean what I said earlier: outright vandalism, and non-notable or un-verified fancruft/rumours. And edit pertaining to the article itself, and in no way harming, only benefiting it, is clearly outside the range of an admin's stated purpose, and falls only into your personal opinion. As an admin, you cannot have a personal opinion that gets in the way of intelligent editing. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The point is you did not ask proper permission or talked it out on the talk page. You just went ahead and removed it. Anyway, were working on a solution so both parties will be happy. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I apologize for not going through the proper channels. Like so many other people on the Internet, I was "in a bad mood". Lame excuse, but at least I've gone through it quick enough that we can discuss this right. The article can remain the same if you like, though I feel it's redundant, but a notice explaining the redundancy would be a fair compromise. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

===Attention all===
Gym Leaders all go in badge case order as of the most recent game they appear in. Since that order doesn't change between games (RGBYFRLG all use the same one, that is), that'll be our standard. Especially considering the ability for you to do badges out of order in some games (Kanto especially). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:Badge case order in Platinum is still Maylene-Wake-Fantina for those of you who don't feel like checking, so I guess the above argument could have been diverted x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Trust me, we really don't want to go disputing the order of gym leaders, especially in the case of Kanto in [[Generation I]] if we bring {{g|Stadium 2}}'s Color Case exploit into things...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Kanto Gym Leaders ==

Do the Kanto Gym Leaders in HG/SS have VS sprites like the Johto ones? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:Don't know but since there details coming in it is better to wait a few days and see so just be patient. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::The answer is yes. Blaine's in particular is amusing, because he does a peace sign.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 23:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone should upload them, then. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Already have. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Interchangeable Sprites and VS Sprites ==

Do you think we can make it so that the sprites will change from the VS sprites to the regular sprites every so often? It seems kinda weird that only the GenIII ones won't have the VS sprites while everyting else will. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah felt the same way of roaming the images and finding that not all Gym Leaders are going to get headshots so I will support your proposal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's a very good idea! I support it also. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Johto Gym Leader new Sugimori art ==

Why do the first four have it but the last four still have the artwork from Gen II? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:'Cause the others haven't been uploaded yet.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::Do you know where whoever uploaded the first four got them from so I can upload the rest? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 21:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::They're on the official Japaneses website. So far, only the first four have been revealed. --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Whoever put up the rest of the Johto gym leader artwork, good job. Now we need the new Kanto gym leader artwork.--[[User:Black Artist|Black Artist]] 20:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Indigo League.. ==

Why is it that we use the small first generation art, instead of the full sized [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/55895900546.jpg ones]? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:On this page we are using their ingame sprites, not their official art. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::I meant in their own pages. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Anyway, the ones you link to are too small--[[User:Black Artist|Black Artist]] 02:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I have larger ones on my PC, but they have some sort of black background around them and I don't have Photoshop. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Still more trivia. ==

Picknicker Liz just phoned to mention that Gym Leader Whitney was chosen by the League shortly after becoming a trainer. I guess that means they are using a talent scout system of some kind. *shrug* --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I can confirm that. I'll do something with it on some article... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pryce ==

In this article, it puts Pryce as the 7th gym leader. I battled him before Chuck or Jasmine-because I hadn't even gotten to their respective cities yet. There was a guy in front of the door, but he disappeared after the souveneir shop thing. Pryces article said that he couldn't be battled until you defeat Team Rocket in their headquarters, but now i'm confused as to whether it meant the thing i did, or another event later in the game. And no, i have never used an external device or, to the best of my knowledge, any glitches. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 08:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pryce is meant to be the seventh Gym Leader, but you can defeat most of them in any order. For example, in Kanto you can skip Lt. Surge and Sabrina until almost just before taking on the Viridian Gym if you so desire. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh. I thought the table might have been out of order or something. Thanks. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 22:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

In HG/SS, you can battle Chuck, Jasmine, and Pryce in any order you choose. Due to the fact that the road splits after Morty, you can battle any of the three in any order you want. I personally battled Jasmine before Chuck. It all depends on where you want to go. If you are not sure which way to go, look at the Pokegear and the strategy guide if you have it. If there is a Pokemon you want, (because you might still be building your party to how you want it) then go the path that leads you there the quickest. In Kanto, I went the route suggested and beat 4 Gyms in one day and 3 the next. It was all based on my thought process at the time. It is like so many things in Pokemon, it is all based on decision.
To answer your question, the souveneir shop thing is supposed to happen before Pryce. You did the right thing. [[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 18:24, 21 July 2010.

== Could we add==

: shouldn't we add aloe and dento here as well as the isshu region?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 05:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:: I think their waiting for all the gym leaders to be announced, so probably won't be added until the games are released. --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 11:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

==Should we?==

Shouldn't we add the the lower template to the page? It is a trainer class, after all. It only seems right that we do. '''''[[User talk:Master of Illusions: Z|~ Master of Illusion: Z]]''''' [[File:SpriteMusharna.png|50px]] '''''[[User:Master of Illusions: Z|User page]]''''' 13:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu Gym Leaders==
An image with the new [http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1147743.jpg gym leaders popped up] [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 20:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:And accordingly, users have put them in their userspaces. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::And why is the Icicle badge under the Isshu gym leader template?[[User:Patrickmck|Patrickmck]] 00:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's called the Icicle Badge, and because of the way the template works (you put the name of the badge and the image and name show up on the page) Sinnoh's Icicle Badge is there. God, it's like GameFreak is trying to force name-changes on every Ice badge or something...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Iris is only the Souryuu City gym leader in one version of the game, in the other the leader is a man called Shaga [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 08:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu leaders' etymology ==

Leaving this here until actual pages are made.
*Dent/Pod/Corn: Dent corn and pod corn
*Aloe: Aloe
*Kamitsure: Japanese for chamomile
*Yacón: Yacón.
*Fūro: Japanese for geranium. ''Fūrō'' (風浪) means "wind and waves".
*Hachiku: Japanese for "breaking bamboo" (破竹)
*Iris: Iris
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Icicle Badge ==

I know because of their same English and Japanese names, the respective 7th badges for Sinnoh and Isshu have the same file picture on the page. Just seems like a minor problem, but I am a perfectionist. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 10:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Servine (Pokémon)

2010-09-12T01:14:14Z

Omnis: /* Name Origin? Name Origin. */ new section

its Janobii, not Janoby.[[User:Makupe|Makupe]] 16:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same thing [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==
I wrot a descrption for the physiolegy. I figured I'de get permission befor posting it.

Similar to its pre-evolution Tsutarja, Janoby is primarily green with a cream-colored underside. It has a yellow caller-like structure that starts at the chest and proceeds behind the shoulders giving it the appearance of wings. Three palmate leaves grow along its back and tail. Janoby has four short limbs and a small crest protruding from the back of its head. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 18:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin? Name Origin. ==

I presume that Janoby's name comes from the word 蛇 ja ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake snake]) and the english word [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28biology%29 Canopy]

Just speculation though... [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 01:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Cilan

2010-09-11T21:45:24Z

Omnis: /* Grass Type */ new section

== Move to Dento (anime) = bad idea. ==

The only reason why {{an|Brock}} and {{an|Misty}} are in separate articles are purely practical - because their old articles were too long. Splitting between his game and anime self seems very irrelevant. While it is implied that he'll play a more prominent role in the anime than in the games, it still doesn't mean that we should consider him as separate characters. He is not a main character in the games, so he doesn't fall to the same category as Red/Ash/Red, Blue/Gary/Blue, Ethan/Jimmy/Gold or Barry/Barry/Pearl. He's a bit what [[Wally]] was in PokeSpe - a game character with expanded role. But we don't have two articles on Wally and we shouldn't have. Nor we should for Dent. He's just as the same character as anime Surge or game Surge (or whatever other character from the games who was adapted to the anime [sometimes with big differences between canons]). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move to Dento (anime) not sure ==

I'm not supposably sure whether we move Dento to Dento (anime) because I'm just saying that I think you may need to wait till the future. If there's to much info for the anime or the game, we just move it when we find a whole stack of information.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|Lilkaykaygal]] 10:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's what I said earlier. I think that split will be needed only if the article about him covering all canons ('cause he's probably gonna appear in PokeSpe and other BW-related mangas as well, y'know) ends up being longer than expected. But I don't really expect to be longer than average article covering a Gym Leader or other important game characters. For all we know, he doesn't have to be a protagonist at all. He may be a major recurring character, simply. When [[Paul]] was first revealed to be in DP anime, he was also shown alongside Ash and Dawn so everyone was saying "Brock replacement", which turned out not to be the case. And if he is just a recurring character, then take [[Professor Oak]] as an example. He also has a very prominent role in the anime (even more than in the games, where he's still important), yet we don't have his article split between his game, anime and manga self. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::The difference with Dento and, sya, Professor Oak is that Oak may be prominent but he's not a major character like Dento is. Brock was confirmed in the blog of osmeone working on the anime, so unlike with Paul there is ''real'' reason to believe Dento is Brock's replacement.
::tl;dr, I support the split. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we should wait until we have more information and keep the shared article for now. If his article gets too long, we can do something like [[Brock]] vs. [[Brock (anime)]]. But until then, we can easily just keep it as one article, especially now, when we know so little. He's clearly meant to be (initially, at least) the same person (like Brock vs. anime Brock) as opposed to {{ga|Red}} vs. {{Ash}}, which were clearly distinct characters from the get-go. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't see why it should be moved to that. There's no Ash Ketchum (anime) or Tracey Sketchit (anime) or Max (anime){{tt|*|But I think that redirect to the Max clone lol}}. The (anime) subtext should only be used for characters that also appear in the games. As far at it is known, Dento is not in the games. Waiting is the best thing to do. I would like to hear tc26's reason for putting up the tag in the first place. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, he is in the games. A Sugimori art of him has been leaked. I concur with Zesty nonetheless. Main hero or not, I don't see why should he be treated separately. The reasons why we split Misty and Brock are purely practical, those are still the same characters actually. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Dento is a main character, with his own story, Pokemon and whatnot. The guy should be treated different than with his game counterpart. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 21:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, maybe we should find out what role in the ''games'' he serves first. If his game character isn't major or contains a plethora of information needing transcribing, I suggest keeping them a single article. (And someone replace his anime art with his Sugimori art, if that's the case; games trump anime.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::This entire discussion is stupid. We have no real details. Until we know more, this stays. If we'll need to split it, we'll split it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::As Head of CharacterDex, my opinion is that he stays as Dento until more information is released. Also, considering that his artwork was released with Aloe's, it should be considered that he could be a Gym Leader. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry about my first comment. I didn't realize that earlier. My brain was tired or something... Now I get it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::You guys are kind of saying the same thing that I said at the start. Though I really don't know why.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|Lilkay]][[User Talk:lilkaykaygal|kaygal]] 9:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Dent and Iris I support splitting between games and anime. Dammit, we get rid of Brock only to have Brock 2. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese VA ==

Dento's voice actor in the Japanese version is Mamoru Miyano. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 14:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:Did you check the article's info box? The info is ''there''. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:21, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::I checked before I reposted this the first time. After that, I thought someone would reply if they added it; I guess I was wrong. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 00:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Gym Leader ==

Could anyone able to edit the article add that Dento is the first gym leader in the games? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Is it notable that Dento is Brock's replacement and they are both the first gym leader of a region?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 19:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Indeed it is notable. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

"Pokemon Sunday". [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

==Image==
Since he's a game character as well, shouldn't we have his Sugimori art in the infobox? --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 20:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed he should. --Dermodio 08:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed he ''does'' already. Check with the page before you reply to a discussion. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==Edit request (2)==
Could someone add this to the "Category:Black and White Characters" page, since he's been confirmed as a [[Gym Leader]] in these games.
Thank you for your time...[[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 13:41, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks! --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 14:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

[[pl:Dento]] {{Unsigned|Profesorek}}

==Trivia/other section?==
The clip of the anime that shows Dento in the Gym Battle has Mijimaru battling on a rock battleground, similar to Brock's. Maybe in the trivia section or something this could be mentioned, as it seems to point towards his type. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 11:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:In case you haven't noticed, when Dento appears in the preview, he says ''Testing time! Sora Bimu ('''Solar Beam''').'' So, that means Dento is a Grass type gym leader (most probably). Leave it as it is for now and wait for the official confirmation instead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 13:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

1. he said Tasting time 2. He's grass he's got Yanappu [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Yanappu ==

Iris's page lists {{DL|Iris|Pokémon|Kibago}} so...--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 14:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, should definitely be added. Just remember - the fact that Dent's got a Yanap in the anime doesn't mean that he has one in the games, nor does it confirm his type specialization. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
actually it kinda does...but ...why is the official art for Yanappu put here!? I'm sure theres a screen of him and Yanappu somewhere...why not use the sprite if you don't have it...it kinda looks...off [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well actually, it doesn't. Unless Brock specialises in Poison or Flying type Pokémon. It gives a likely specialisation, but it doesn't confirm it. We'll need to wait for more info. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::A screenshot here if it want's to be used. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Dento_Yanappu.png --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 22:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Changed. Thanks. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does!!! If you have a specific pokemon (Yanappu) with a specific type (grass) in the anime, which Dento does, that is enough of an indication what type he uses. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 04:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't. Brock has a Crobat. He's a Rock type Leader. We wait for confirmation.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Using Crobat makes no sense because he didn't capture it until after he joined up with ash...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 05:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:The point is that just because he has a Grass-type doesn't necessarily mean that he's a Grass-type specialist. I could equally point to Jasmine and Amphy. We need to wait for further confirmation. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Look at Dento for a second!!! It makes all the sense in the world that he would be grass type! His hair and eyes and bowtie of his clothes are green! He owns a Yanappu, a PROVEN GRASS TYPE! You can't use Brock as your example because he was only following gym tradition. You can't use Jasmine and Amphy because she doesn't own Amphy. Amphy, if you haven't noticed, is an Electric type! Plus, Dento and Ash were battling in the preview, and Dento was with Yanappu and (I think) the grass type starter in the battle. HE IS A GRASS TYPE GYM LEADER!--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 14:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:While it is likely, Hair and Eye colour a type specialist do not make. Unless Gardenia specialises in either the Ground or Fighting-type, and Candice specialises in the Dark-type. My point with Amphy was that it seemingly does belong to her, and isn't of her specialist type. And since you seem to want an example from the games, What proportion of {{DL|Flint (Elite Four)|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|Flint's DP team}} is Fire-type? The Tsutarja (the Grass-type starter) was shown in the preview to be owned by Shooti, not Dento. It isn't unheard of for a Gym Leader, in the games or anime, to own, and use in battle, a Pokémon which isn't of their specialist type.

:I've discussed with several other admins, including Mr. Echidna-in-Chief, and we all agreed that there is not yet enough information for it to be confirmed. Be patient, and it will be added once it is confirmed. In the mean time, please feel free to discuss it on the forums. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::But wait. What do you mean by following gym tradition? As far as I know, no Pokémon Gym tradition involves going somewhere and coming back with a bat. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Image ==

Someone should do something about the image size. [[User:Arrogios|Arrogios]] 03:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Grass ==
Can we say that his type is probably grass, judging by the fact that almost everything about him is green and his only Pokémon is a grass type? Maybe not say it for sure, but mention it in the article that it probably will be grass? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zew]][[User:Zewis29/Articles|is]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 19:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:it's been discussed that it won't be added till it's officially confirmed...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::And I was under the impression that Isshu Gyms were centered around other things. Like Low Defense. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::A new bunch of trailers is out, and there's the weirdest implication that Dent's gym has different types to choose from. At least, there are three different platforms you can stand on to open the curtain--Grass, Fire, and Water, and his badge is gold with green, red, and blue gems.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oops, somebody brought up the obvious possibility of it being a quiz. Still kinda weird about those gems, though.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Dent vs. Dento ==

It's pretty obviously Dent. It's not like Dento is even a Japanese name. What makes Aloe and Iris special?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I personally agree that Dento is probably Dent, given the fact that '''''ISSHU IS AMERICA'''''... however, with him, we don't exactly have a plant to go off of. The plants Aloe and Iris are both katakanified as their Japanese names... so yeah. Also, what makes Iris and Aloe special is OMGZ THEY'VE GOT DARK SKIN IN AN ANIME. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Re-merge ==

Re-merge Iris and Dento now. My reasoning is on Talk:Iris (anime). Really, why are you such split maniac, TTE? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:Are you saying that Dento is not like Misty and Brock? Like those two, he is a Gym Leader who follows Ash all over a region. Maybe he won't be like Misty and follow him into other regions, or like Brock and follow him for 600 freaking episodes, but he's definitely like them in more ways than not. Did Misty and Brock deserve their own pages at the end of Johto? Yes. Yes they did. Otherwise Misty would not have been split off (since she has appeared only three times, in five episodes, since the end of Johto). The BW series will be 190 or so episodes. That's enough to assume considering AG and DP did it, and generations are lasting about four years these days. Iris, by virtue of being in the games, follows along with the previous female companions Ash has had, and considering they gave her a spot on the main cast and a Dragon-type, I'd think she's '''''heavily''''' involved with the legend of Reshiram and Zekrom in the games. Unlike Cynthia, however, she's gonna be appearing in 190 or so episodes, same as Dento. Not remerging. Not ever. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Except we didn't split the Brock/Misty articles until those articles got way too big. If Iris' role in the games is inactive, an unbattled NPC, there's no point in splitting her article between games and anime; the game information will be hardly intrusive. Dento can stay split, because his game page is going to be chalk-filled with game information, that will only lead to cluttering as if you were to merge both of Barry's articles (anime tables and game tables; it'll be a pain to load). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Badge = Unknown ==

While the badge he gives out is unknown, I don't think it should link to the "Unknown" disambiguation page, which links only to Unown's species page and the ???-Type. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 20:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:I changed the link. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Does anyone have any earthly idea what it might be? :V I'm not a plant/herb specialist, so I have no clue; the best I can offer is that "antioxi'''dant'''" came up while Googling... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Dent corn? Denshi Jisho also gives me ''dento'' as "imposingly; heavily; conspicuously; in a dignified manner" but idk. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 18:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Right, the "dignified" thing I'm willing to bet is one of those double meanings that they love to play with. :P Dent corn is an idea... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::With Pod and ....Corn's revelation it's obviously true..can someone add this to the article?

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| デント ''Dent''
| From Dent Corn, similar to Corn and Pod's names.
|-
|}
[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Grass Type ==

Don't we know that Dent, at least, specializes in Grass types, while Pod and Corn specialize in fire and water, respectively. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 21:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Unburden (Ability)

2010-09-11T20:45:16Z

Omnis: /* Choroneko */ new section

Can the doubled speed be transfered with {{m|Baton Pass}}? If that and a Salac Berry work, hmmmm, I can see implications to say the least? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.smogon.com/dp/abilities/unburden Smogon] claims that Unburden's speed doubling doesn't count as a stat boost, so it can't be passed. But consuming the Salac Berry should work to activiate Unburden. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 02:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Unburden's stat boost seems like {{a|Pure Power}}'s... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::If the "stat up" graphic appears, it can be {{m|Baton Pass|passed}}. With Unburden, the "stat up" graphic doesn't appear; as a result, it can't be passed. --[[User:SharKing|'''Shar'''K'''ing''']] (([[User Talk:SharKing|Talk to the King!]])) 20:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Choroneko ==

Shouldn't we put down that Choroneko has Unburden, probably? [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 20:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Cilan

2010-09-03T20:47:24Z

Omnis: /* Badge = Unknown */ new section

== Move to Dento (anime) = bad idea. ==

The only reason why {{an|Brock}} and {{an|Misty}} are in separate articles are purely practical - because their old articles were too long. Splitting between his game and anime self seems very irrelevant. While it is implied that he'll play a more prominent role in the anime than in the games, it still doesn't mean that we should consider him as separate characters. He is not a main character in the games, so he doesn't fall to the same category as Red/Ash/Red, Blue/Gary/Blue, Ethan/Jimmy/Gold or Barry/Barry/Pearl. He's a bit what [[Wally]] was in PokeSpe - a game character with expanded role. But we don't have two articles on Wally and we shouldn't have. Nor we should for Dent. He's just as the same character as anime Surge or game Surge (or whatever other character from the games who was adapted to the anime [sometimes with big differences between canons]). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move to Dento (anime) not sure ==

I'm not supposably sure whether we move Dento to Dento (anime) because I'm just saying that I think you may need to wait till the future. If there's to much info for the anime or the game, we just move it when we find a whole stack of information.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|Lilkaykaygal]] 10:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's what I said earlier. I think that split will be needed only if the article about him covering all canons ('cause he's probably gonna appear in PokeSpe and other BW-related mangas as well, y'know) ends up being longer than expected. But I don't really expect to be longer than average article covering a Gym Leader or other important game characters. For all we know, he doesn't have to be a protagonist at all. He may be a major recurring character, simply. When [[Paul]] was first revealed to be in DP anime, he was also shown alongside Ash and Dawn so everyone was saying "Brock replacement", which turned out not to be the case. And if he is just a recurring character, then take [[Professor Oak]] as an example. He also has a very prominent role in the anime (even more than in the games, where he's still important), yet we don't have his article split between his game, anime and manga self. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::The difference with Dento and, sya, Professor Oak is that Oak may be prominent but he's not a major character like Dento is. Brock was confirmed in the blog of osmeone working on the anime, so unlike with Paul there is ''real'' reason to believe Dento is Brock's replacement.
::tl;dr, I support the split. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we should wait until we have more information and keep the shared article for now. If his article gets too long, we can do something like [[Brock]] vs. [[Brock (anime)]]. But until then, we can easily just keep it as one article, especially now, when we know so little. He's clearly meant to be (initially, at least) the same person (like Brock vs. anime Brock) as opposed to {{ga|Red}} vs. {{Ash}}, which were clearly distinct characters from the get-go. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't see why it should be moved to that. There's no Ash Ketchum (anime) or Tracey Sketchit (anime) or Max (anime){{tt|*|But I think that redirect to the Max clone lol}}. The (anime) subtext should only be used for characters that also appear in the games. As far at it is known, Dento is not in the games. Waiting is the best thing to do. I would like to hear tc26's reason for putting up the tag in the first place. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, he is in the games. A Sugimori art of him has been leaked. I concur with Zesty nonetheless. Main hero or not, I don't see why should he be treated separately. The reasons why we split Misty and Brock are purely practical, those are still the same characters actually. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Dento is a main character, with his own story, Pokemon and whatnot. The guy should be treated different than with his game counterpart. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 21:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, maybe we should find out what role in the ''games'' he serves first. If his game character isn't major or contains a plethora of information needing transcribing, I suggest keeping them a single article. (And someone replace his anime art with his Sugimori art, if that's the case; games trump anime.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::This entire discussion is stupid. We have no real details. Until we know more, this stays. If we'll need to split it, we'll split it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::As Head of CharacterDex, my opinion is that he stays as Dento until more information is released. Also, considering that his artwork was released with Aloe's, it should be considered that he could be a Gym Leader. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry about my first comment. I didn't realize that earlier. My brain was tired or something... Now I get it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::You guys are kind of saying the same thing that I said at the start. Though I really don't know why.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|Lilkay]][[User Talk:lilkaykaygal|kaygal]] 9:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Dent and Iris I support splitting between games and anime. Dammit, we get rid of Brock only to have Brock 2. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese VA ==

Dento's voice actor in the Japanese version is Mamoru Miyano. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 14:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:Did you check the article's info box? The info is ''there''. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:21, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::I checked before I reposted this the first time. After that, I thought someone would reply if they added it; I guess I was wrong. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 00:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Gym Leader ==

Could anyone able to edit the article add that Dento is the first gym leader in the games? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Is it notable that Dento is Brock's replacement and they are both the first gym leader of a region?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 19:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Indeed it is notable. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

"Pokemon Sunday". [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

==Image==
Since he's a game character as well, shouldn't we have his Sugimori art in the infobox? --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 20:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed he should. --Dermodio 08:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed he ''does'' already. Check with the page before you reply to a discussion. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==Edit request (2)==
Could someone add this to the "Category:Black and White Characters" page, since he's been confirmed as a [[Gym Leader]] in these games.
Thank you for your time...[[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 13:41, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks! --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 14:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

[[pl:Dento]] {{Unsigned|Profesorek}}

==Trivia/other section?==
The clip of the anime that shows Dento in the Gym Battle has Mijimaru battling on a rock battleground, similar to Brock's. Maybe in the trivia section or something this could be mentioned, as it seems to point towards his type. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 11:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:In case you haven't noticed, when Dento appears in the preview, he says ''Testing time! Sora Bimu ('''Solar Beam''').'' So, that means Dento is a Grass type gym leader (most probably). Leave it as it is for now and wait for the official confirmation instead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 13:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

1. he said Tasting time 2. He's grass he's got Yanappu [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Yanappu ==

Iris's page lists {{DL|Iris|Pokémon|Kibago}} so...--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 14:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, should definitely be added. Just remember - the fact that Dent's got a Yanap in the anime doesn't mean that he has one in the games, nor does it confirm his type specialization. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
actually it kinda does...but ...why is the official art for Yanappu put here!? I'm sure theres a screen of him and Yanappu somewhere...why not use the sprite if you don't have it...it kinda looks...off [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well actually, it doesn't. Unless Brock specialises in Poison or Flying type Pokémon. It gives a likely specialisation, but it doesn't confirm it. We'll need to wait for more info. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::A screenshot here if it want's to be used. http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Dento_Yanappu.png --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 22:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Changed. Thanks. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does!!! If you have a specific pokemon (Yanappu) with a specific type (grass) in the anime, which Dento does, that is enough of an indication what type he uses. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 04:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't. Brock has a Crobat. He's a Rock type Leader. We wait for confirmation.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Using Crobat makes no sense because he didn't capture it until after he joined up with ash...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 05:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:The point is that just because he has a Grass-type doesn't necessarily mean that he's a Grass-type specialist. I could equally point to Jasmine and Amphy. We need to wait for further confirmation. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Look at Dento for a second!!! It makes all the sense in the world that he would be grass type! His hair and eyes and bowtie of his clothes are green! He owns a Yanappu, a PROVEN GRASS TYPE! You can't use Brock as your example because he was only following gym tradition. You can't use Jasmine and Amphy because she doesn't own Amphy. Amphy, if you haven't noticed, is an Electric type! Plus, Dento and Ash were battling in the preview, and Dento was with Yanappu and (I think) the grass type starter in the battle. HE IS A GRASS TYPE GYM LEADER!--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 14:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:While it is likely, Hair and Eye colour a type specialist do not make. Unless Gardenia specialises in either the Ground or Fighting-type, and Candice specialises in the Dark-type. My point with Amphy was that it seemingly does belong to her, and isn't of her specialist type. And since you seem to want an example from the games, What proportion of {{DL|Flint (Elite Four)|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|Flint's DP team}} is Fire-type? The Tsutarja (the Grass-type starter) was shown in the preview to be owned by Shooti, not Dento. It isn't unheard of for a Gym Leader, in the games or anime, to own, and use in battle, a Pokémon which isn't of their specialist type.

:I've discussed with several other admins, including Mr. Echidna-in-Chief, and we all agreed that there is not yet enough information for it to be confirmed. Be patient, and it will be added once it is confirmed. In the mean time, please feel free to discuss it on the forums. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::But wait. What do you mean by following gym tradition? As far as I know, no Pokémon Gym tradition involves going somewhere and coming back with a bat. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Image ==

Someone should do something about the image size. [[User:Arrogios|Arrogios]] 03:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Grass ==
Can we say that his type is probably grass, judging by the fact that almost everything about him is green and his only Pokémon is a grass type? Maybe not say it for sure, but mention it in the article that it probably will be grass? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zew]][[User:Zewis29/Articles|is]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 19:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:it's been discussed that it won't be added till it's officially confirmed...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::And I was under the impression that Isshu Gyms were centered around other things. Like Low Defense. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::A new bunch of trailers is out, and there's the weirdest implication that Dent's gym has different types to choose from. At least, there are three different platforms you can stand on to open the curtain--Grass, Fire, and Water, and his badge is gold with green, red, and blue gems.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oops, somebody brought up the obvious possibility of it being a quiz. Still kinda weird about those gems, though.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Dent vs. Dento ==

It's pretty obviously Dent. It's not like Dento is even a Japanese name. What makes Aloe and Iris special?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I personally agree that Dento is probably Dent, given the fact that '''''ISSHU IS AMERICA'''''... however, with him, we don't exactly have a plant to go off of. The plants Aloe and Iris are both katakanified as their Japanese names... so yeah. Also, what makes Iris and Aloe special is OMGZ THEY'VE GOT DARK SKIN IN AN ANIME. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Re-merge ==

Re-merge Iris and Dento now. My reasoning is on [[Talk:Iris (anime)]]. Really, why are you such split maniac, TTE? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:Are you saying that Dento is not like Misty and Brock? Like those two, he is a Gym Leader who follows Ash all over a region. Maybe he won't be like Misty and follow him into other regions, or like Brock and follow him for 600 freaking episodes, but he's definitely like them in more ways than not. Did Misty and Brock deserve their own pages at the end of Johto? Yes. Yes they did. Otherwise Misty would not have been split off (since she has appeared only three times, in five episodes, since the end of Johto). The BW series will be 190 or so episodes. That's enough to assume considering AG and DP did it, and generations are lasting about four years these days. Iris, by virtue of being in the games, follows along with the previous female companions Ash has had, and considering they gave her a spot on the main cast and a Dragon-type, I'd think she's '''''heavily''''' involved with the legend of Reshiram and Zekrom in the games. Unlike Cynthia, however, she's gonna be appearing in 190 or so episodes, same as Dento. Not remerging. Not ever. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Badge = Unknown ==

While the badge he gives out is unknown, I don't think it should link to the "Unknown" disambiguation page, which links only to Unown's species page and the ???-Type. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 20:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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==So==
Whoever wants to edit this, go ahead. — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 15:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Evolution?==
Of {{p|Moguryu}}? Prudent to indicate? Even in commented out evobox? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:I thought that was only speculation. Since Mamanbou wasn't put as an evolution of Luvdisc, I didn't think it would be appropriate to put Moguryu here. — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== origin ==

Since there is ryuu (dragon) on Moguryuu's page, could it be like that here too? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Its Origin? ==

Shouldn't it be put down that it draws inspiration from moles? [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 02:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Munna (Pokémon)

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==Connection between Munna and a Lass outside of Rock Tunnel in R/B/Y/FR/LG==

Should this article be edited to include the information about the Lass in R/B/Y/FR/LG that mentions wanting to hug a pink Pokémon with a floral pattern? It is likely just a coincidence, but it's amusing nonetheless and it would be nice to see a reference to it on Munna's page.

Link to the discussion from the Bulbagarden Forums: [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=67818 Bulbagarden Forums Discussion of Munna/Lass Connection] --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 23:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

::*I agree that this should definitely be included in the article under trivia! [[User:Monochras|Monochras]] 15:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology for the admins to implement==

Munna is a mainly pink quadruped Pokémon of indefinable basis, somewhat resembling tapirs or pigs. Its body is rounded and stubby-limbed, giving it a lump-like appearance, with pink-and-purple floral patterns along the back and underside. It has ovular red eyes and what appear to be two eyelashes on top, with a pink oval on the upper side of its curving snout. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 15:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
*Shouldn't it be oval not ovular --[[User:Crimsonnavy|Crimsonnavy]] 01:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

This creature almost literally--to me--looks like a young girl's piggy bank. [[User:Paladindragon|Paladindragon]] 04:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:To the forums with ya.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Munna seems to be based on the {{wp|baku (spirit)|baku}}, dream eating creatures that eventually resembled {{wp|tapir}}s in art. Basically, it appears to be based on what Drowzee and Hypno were based on, anyone mind adding this? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 05:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

===Possible name origins?===

Given the fact that pink and flowers are commonly seen as "girly", I think it's highly possible that the "nna" in Munna's name comes from 女 ''onna'', for "woman". --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 17:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

i think it is more like mosou(DREAM)+ hana(FLOWER).[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 04:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==Li'l Oink Connection?==

http://www.mariowiki.com/Li%27l_Oink

I've noticed that, like [[Shroomish_(Pokémon)|Shroomish]] to Goombas, Munna is similar to this creature from Paper Mario. The floral variety gives Maple Syrup, while the pink one gives a Fire Flower. It may be just a coincidence, but I think it's worth noting should Munna be able to expertise in Grass/Fire-type moves. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 05:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:*'''Disagree'''- Besides the fact that their is one pink pig in that picture and Munna is pink, i see absolutely no other connection. [[User:Monochras|Monochras]] 15:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origin Written In Article ==

Not sure who edited the Origin section in the article, but it needs a real overhaul. Munna is misspelled twice, and it just needs major editorial revision. Here's my edit:

Munna appears to be based on traditional Japanese incense burners called ''[[wp:Koro (incense burner)|koro]]''. These are used in traditional tea ceremonies, but many styles of ''koro'' have been developed to be used with insect repellent incense. These insect repellent ''koro'' are popularly shaped like a pig and can have patterns painted on them, such as floral patterns. Munna, like {{p|Drowzee}}, also seems to share some inspiration from the myth of the [[wp:Baku (spirit)|Baku]], tapir-like creatures that eat dreams.

Also, here's a Youtube video that shows a pig-shaped ''koro'' being used with insect repellent incense. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hz1cB0HU7s Japanese Mosquito Coils - Katorisenko Repellent]--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 06:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:The thing is, we don't know if Munna can even repel anything away, let alone insects. It's specie name is 'dream eater' so I believe it was intended to be based on the baku, not to mention that its appearance does look like a tapir. At least those things we know about. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't write it, I just edited what was there to make it sound and look better. If the admins don't think it's appropriate, they're more than free to remove it. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 01:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Munna evolves into Musharna ==

This should be added shouldn't it? Its evolution line?--[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 17:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:They may be waiting for Musharna's page to be finalized and added. Also I'm not sure if it has actually been confirmed yet, and that's always the key when it comes to new Pokémon.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 17:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::Confirmation is important, but the two have too many similarities for it to just be a coincidence: similar body shape, coloring, not to mention Musharna's "Dream Smoke". Furthermore, the two were placed right next to each other in CoroCoro, so all signs point to Musharna being Munna's evolved form. --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It has been confirmed!!! Check the sites that have interpreted the CoroCoro article it actually says that Musharna is Munna's evolution! [[User:Monochras|Monochras]] 15:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Connection to Drowzee ==
I think it should definitely be included that it was rumored that Munna was Drowzee's pre-evo since so many fans thought so.

http://pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=78004

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=munna+drowzee#/d2rrj28

Include it in the trivia [[User:Monochras|Monochras]] 15:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:People being stupid doesn't need to be included in trivia.[[User:GreatLiver|GreatLiver]] 14:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::It wasn't stupidity, it was something they got from them being tapirs and generally looking similar to people. It still does have a chance of being right, though. I'm not sure if it should be mentioned, as it is an opinion, but there's a related trivia on {{p|Shellos}}'s page about it being a pre-evolution of Lapras. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not stupidity it's TRIVIA!!! If it was a rumor than it should be included even as stated as a rumor! [[User:Monochras|Monochras]] 18:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::If it's a baseless rumour, we don't include it in articles, including trivia. We only include confirmed facts in our articles. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

==Evobox==
Musharna's name was removed, so it displays as Farfetch'd. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

Munna's name may come from the Japanese word "Muma (夢魔)," nightmare, similar to Misdreavus. Just an opinion though.

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== Artwork ==

Could someone please edit the artwork for this Pokémon, because it looks a little badly cropped, due to the yellow in the hand. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Be patient young one, these are directly cropped from the magazine scans, we're going to have to wait for better artwork. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 23:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

I'm not sure about the validity of the name origin, but if it is correct, why don't we cut out the middle-man and rename the article "Ronculus?" Wargle's article isn't "Warugaru." [[User:BulbaB|BulbaB]] 14:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The name could also be romanized as "Rancluse", the cluse coming from the word recluse, which means someone who lives in seclusion or solitude, it could be a reference to the fact that the white body is inside the green....ectoplasm or energy or whatever it could possibly be. As you can see romanization's are never absolute. Because of this, its best to wait for official romanization's or just plain out wait for english names. --[[User:Yunophobia|Yunophobia]] 00:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive and height correction ==

According to the official Black and White website, Rankurusu will be exclusive to White version.
Also according to the site, Rankurusu is 1.0m, not 1.6m

== Name origin ==

The article says that its name comes from ''ran'' (disorder), but it could also be from ''ranma'' (chaos). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 16:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: It seems to me that Rankurusu's name is the word "rankless", as in, "without rank". Being the Amplification Pokémon (presumably amplifying other things), perhaps its own actual "rank" (strength, whatever) is unknown, hence the name. Alternatively, it could come from "rancorous", meaning "showing deep-seated resentment". These depend on the story behind Rankurusu, but they sound interesting enough to be true. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm the one who put ''ran'', because that's the kanji used in ''ranma''. I looked at the meaning of both kanji and it's the ''ran'' in ''ranma'' that gives the word its meaning. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 22:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

I've taken the image from the updated site, edited it a bit, and shazam, we have (What I think is) a half-assed attempt at a sprite~

[http://i29.tinypic.com/25857wl.png Here ya' are]

Hope it helps, and sorry if it's not in good enough quality :/