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Talk:Generation I

2011-12-28T23:48:52Z

MaskedFalcon:

How is color obtainable in the main gen 1 games beside yellow? And on an emulator like Visual Boy Advance?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 23:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

:All Generation I games have {{wp|Super Game Boy}} enhanced features. In addition, whenever the Japanese {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} or the America {{2v2|Red|Blue}} are played through the [[Game Boy Tower]] features in the Stadium games, all of these enhancements are present in the emulation. Odds are the colors on the sprites in question are taken from these enhanced features.

:{{v2|Yellow}} does appear to maintain its [[Game Boy Color]] features when played in Game Boy Tower, but does use its Super Game Boy border. In addition, the [[Generation II]] games {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} (but not {{v2|Crystal}}) also feature Super Game Boy enhancements, but contribute only its SGB borders to Game Boy Tower; Game Boy Tower appears to emulate the games as they would on a GBC as opposed to an SGB. (The reason Crystal doesn't have Super Game Boy enhancements is because it's a Type III game pak, and the Super Game Boy can only play Type I and Type II game paks, primarily due to being a counterpart to the original monochrome [[Game Boy]].) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

==Gen I takes place at the same time as Gen III?==

What factual evidence have we been given to support this? {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:In short, the contents of RSE and FRLG. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Color Generation Redirect? ==

Would it be worth making a redirect page for Color Generation to this, seeing as many people know it as such? Similarily a 'Colo'''u'''r Generation' redirect for people like me who <s>spell it correctly</s> use the British spelling. What about a redirect for the Metal Generation too? [[Advanced Generation]] already has a disambiguation page with one of the links leading to the Gen 3 article, so it would make sense for these two generations to have similar redirects. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 16:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Was this idea already taken? ==

Like we do with some legendaries, would it be too hard to rotate the title screens in the info boxes for each generation?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Genosect/Mewtwo? ==

Isn't Genosect also genetically engineered? --[[User:Arrogios|Arrogios]] 14:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:{{p|Genesect}} is modified in some way, although it's unclear whether it's genetically engineered or just biomechanical. But how does this tie in with the article? A one-shot deal in Generation V is irrelevant to an underlying thematic motif from Generation I. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Battle music ==

How many battle themes are in Gen I?

I counted five:
#Wild Pokémon
#Trainer Battle
#Gym Battle
#Vs. Lance
#Vs. Gary/Blue/Champion/whatever you call him

Correct me if I am wrong, but I guess these are the only.
[[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==The "Discussion of Generation I" section==

is opinionated, poorly-defended, and fairly out of touch with RBY. As such I think it needs a rewrite, though I have enough changes that I'd rather bring it up here than overhaul it all in one go.

''When the games were first released, despite their inferior graphics and sound compared to other games of the time,''

"...inferior graphics and sound..." is editorializing. I happen to prefer the first generation's graphics, though not it's music, but in any case it's not our place to enshrine opinion as fact.

''Psychic-type Pokémon having virtually no match, due to their moves being resisted by no types other than itself, and their only weakness being Bug (that had only three damaging moves, Leech Life, Pin Missile and Twineedle). This made it easy for the player to catch a Drowzee relatively early into the game, evolve it and teach it the move Psychic, allowing it to easily defeat any opponent bar Sabrina. ''

Psychics do have a match: Normals. Both in-game and competitively there are as many good Normals as Psychics, and one could even make the same case for Waters.

The number of Bug moves isn't the problem, it's how they're distributed. No one would complain about Psychics if Tauros, Dodrio, Snorlax, and Rhydon all got Twineedle. Instead Beedrill does, which is as much to say that no viable Pokémon gets a Bug move.

Drowzee is an odd choice for the Psychic poster-child as Kadabra is simply better. Drowzee can beat Sabrina without too much hassle though with Headbutt (or Body Slam if you're willing to use the TM so). Defeating any opponent in the game isn't a high bar though, many Pokémon can do it.

''Except for the Elite Four, there were no Trainers that could be rebattled, meaning that, barring winning expensive TMs at the Game Corner and selling them or using Pay Day many times, the amount of money that a player could earn before reaching Indigo Plateau was limited. ''

Point taken, but is this a balance issue? Or even an issue at all?

''The Special stat working as both Special Attack and Special Defense meant that Pokémon with a high Special stat had a decisive edge in battle. An example is Venusaur, with a Special base stat of 100, using Grass-type (and therefore Special) moves, and being weak to mostly Special types (except for the Flying and Ground type).''

I think I know what this paragraph means to say: that the combined Special stat makes RBY hinge too much on the Special side over the Physical side. It's arguable, though I'd disagree. This is an obscure way of phrasing it and an even obscurer way of arguing the case though. As is the argument is merely that it's good to have a high Special stat and some Pokémon wage battle mostly on this one side, which is a truism and says nothing about balance; you could argue the same for any Physical Pokémon.

''The first generation of Pokémon games were more directed towards genetics and engineering. The three starters, Bulbasaur (dinosaur-plant hybrid), Charmander (salamander), and Squirtle (turtle), are all reptilian in nature, and take some elements from the dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are reptiles, and were one of the most successful groups of animals to exist. Bulbasaur, the most similar to dinosaurs of the three, is the first listed in the Pokédex. Other Pokémon in the generation continue this theme. Eevee is capable of evolving into multiple forms due to its unstable DNA; Voltorb...''

Another workable thesis, but it's very weirdly defended. The reptile part doesn't connect at all to the genetics and engineering part.

Also the Trivia section is poorly-conceived, but I gather that's a well-known issue on Bulbapedia pages in general. I hope we can figure out a way to edit what seems like an interesting perspective on the first generation's place in Pokémon history into a more objective and more true-to-RBY form. Cheers! [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 23:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Hyper Beam (move)

2010-09-06T00:28:03Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Lance */

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:Wow, the formatting is horrid. Any way to stack those?--BJG
::This is really the bst we can do at the moment with mass-learned moves, I believe. Any more specific problems with the page format? [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 10:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::I haven't been able to check how well the list boxes behave in IE - if they don't work as expected, what will result is a vertical stack of bordered boxes, which admittedly doesn't look very nice. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
::::I just checked what it looks like in IE, they display as a horizontal row of boxes, also Ho-oh is split into 3 lines, [http://uk.geocities.com/mt.cutler@btinternet.com/IE_HyperBeamArticle.jpg screenshot] - [[User:MTC|MTC]] 10:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer strikes again! Sigh. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:54, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
::::::Actually, a JavaScrip bot should probably be able to replace data such as class="listcol" and replace with some nicer stuff like style="bla".I could probably do that.It's not actually that hard. [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] 22:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::::The Ho-oh thing is to do with word-wrapping. (IE thinks a hyphen is a good place to wrap words, other browsers don't.) A Javascript solution is a bit extreme. All we need to do is to write alternate CSS for IE users. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:49, 10 May 2005 (UTC) [[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I was thinking a JavaScript that modidfied the contents of each page, as opposed to one directly inside the page. The thing is that JavaScript is good at sneaking this stuff in if run from a frame-based page. I wasn't thinking of integrated scripts. Also, what language is BulbaBot? [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] 20:59, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::No.Do not change the content. Especially do not change the class back into a style. It's easier to manage them that way. There are thousands of these list boxes on hundreds of pages, with a class you can have all of them behave the same way. FYI, BulbaBot is PHP. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah I say leave it for now;unless you want me to hyper beam you all into oblivion.[[User:Agent008]]
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Doesnt Ash's Kingler use hyper beam when he's in his first pokemon league? --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 01:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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The line "It can be learned via TM by all fully-evolved Pokémon that can learn TMs" taken from this article is false. Girafarig is fully evolved yet is unable to learn either Hyper Beam or Giga Impact. There could be more Pokemon like this, but the quoted line definitely needs to be rewritten. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 22:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:...in which, Girafarig might NOT be fully evolved. Who knows. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::"...including Pokémon that were fully evolved at one point (such as Porygon or Seadra)." I didn't realize Porygon2, Porygon-Z and Kingdra existed! --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Welcome to GSC. :) [[User:Orange|Orange]] 03:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont get it. in the anime, all fully evolved pokemon can learn hyper beam and giga impact, but only sevral in the games. why/--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 16:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Movelearning data ==

Venonat and Kabuto could learn it from TM, then lost that ability in Gen2.

Dratini and Dragonair and Larvitar and Pupitar and Trapinch and Vibrava and Metang and Nuzleaf and Remoraid can learn Hyper Beam but not Giga Impact.

Stantler has Giga Impact but not Hyper Beam.

That's the report. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pic Overload ==

Anyone agree in reducing the number of pics for the page? We have more than 20 pics in there!! [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 06:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. We should get rid of the "charging up" images. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 15:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely, this and {{m|Shadow Ball}}(?)--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::There aren't nearly as many images on Shadow Ball, but charging up-style images aren't really needed at all. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 15:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Power?==
Is it true that Hyperbeam is the most powerful attack. It doesn't sound right to me, but if not, could somebody make a list of more powerful attacks?--[[User:Qim1|Qim1]] 20:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==Defense Halved?==
I don't recall ever hearing about defense being halved by this move in Generation I before I read it here, and from my experience I don't think it sounds right. That would make it actually stronger than SelfDestruct in this Generation. Could anyone verify this? [[User:Schreiber|Schreiber]] 22:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
: I'm also doubting that information... Where does this defense lowered thing come from? [[User:Neo_Qwerty|Neo QWERTY]] 18:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
: I found [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=39968 this thread] which seems to refute the idea of Hyper Beam halving defense. I'll do some testing on my own; I really doubt it halves defense, though. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 15:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hyper Beam was also a Physical move early on, although I don't know which generation it became Special. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::In the first three gens, physicality/specialty is tied to type. All Normal moves, then, are physical.
:::I haven't had the time to test this move but will soon. One pretty good test would be to raise a Persian with Slash and Hyper Beam. If Hyper Beam truly halves defense, it should do more than double Slash's damage. [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 16:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Lance ==
Should it be noted somewhere that it is the signature move of Lance? [[User:Don Lark Kiin|Don Lark Kiin]]
:No. Just because a certain trainer commonly uses a move does not mean that it is 'his signature move'. If you would like to know the correct usage of the term Signature move, please look [[signature move|here]] thank you. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Here's the funny part. Gym Leaders and Elite Four in Red/Green/Blue do have "signature moves", or at least a move on their last Pokémon that differentiates it from a wild one of its species. Brock's Onix uses Bide, Misty's Starmie uses Bubblebeam, and so forth. So if you're willing to stretch the definition of signature move, Lance ''does'' have one, but it's not what you'd expect. It's his Dragonite's Barrier! [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 00:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==Error==
In the section where pokemon use Hyper Beam, for Regirock, there is only movie 8 and Brandon's Regirock. There is no wild Regirock in DP 129, its under the ownership of Brandon...[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 10:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

2010-05-17T17:03:41Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? */

==Archives==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)

== About external links and fan shrines... ==

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all.
--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.
:Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a ''lot'' of work into it as well.

::The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably ''one of'' the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

::So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

::Would that still be okay?--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Biology ==

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of {{p|Typhlosion}}'s article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:... how in the world did we miss that? D: --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar==
In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)]] or in the Location section like [[Venonat (Pokémon)]]. Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] || [[Pokéradar]] || [[Route 201]]
|}
:Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

{{Availability|
type=ice |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|216}} and {{rtn|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
}}

That's what {{p|Snorunt}} has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the [[Meowth]] page.

:Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on {{p|Meowth}}, [[Meowth]] is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{template|p}} template. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?[[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::::All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "[[Trophy Garden]] ([[Poké Radar]])" in the dparea thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::The Trophy Garden Pokémon '''don't''' need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Tiers==
Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the [[list of tiers]] page.
:Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...
:::I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?[[User:Blink|Blink]] 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
← 
Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if '''''everyone''''' knows this to be true. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.
:Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about.
Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

[[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur|So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur]]. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah... unless I get some help... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. [[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur/Future|Check it out]]. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)'''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::So when can we get started on changing them? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Body shape ==

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone got any ideas for this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:::How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But who'll say which is which? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Alternate Coloration ==

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as [[Red Gyarados]], stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.
:::I dunno, but that's my guess. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== pronunciation ==

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre
He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger.
How do i participate in Project Pokédex.
Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

== R/S sprites ==

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:All sprites means ''all'' of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Shadow ==

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

:Probaly under Game Info..... [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

===Shadow (name)===
In (Colo/XD) a [[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]] (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Size and Weight ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-])
what do you think?
[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:That information is in the infobox of every article... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Joining ==

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this project[[User:Darth Cookie Monster]] 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Held items ==

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. [[User:Dlt4|Don]] 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. [[User:Baynium|Baynium]] 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number redirecting ==

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help! ==

How do I join Project Pokédex?[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225
:Simply add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

== Generation 4 Smogon links ==

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhen_Lin&diff=prev&oldid=270480#BulbaBot_request] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== About the sprites and trivia ==

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? ==

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

: Your point? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

::Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Species]] is something very different. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Forgot about this.
:::'''Bulbasaur (species)''' is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. '''Bulbasaur (species)''' can only logically refer to one thing, while '''the Pokémon Bulbasaur''' can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the [[Pokémon species]] Bulbasaur. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Sorry for digging up old conversations, but I wonder if we need "(Pokémon)" at all. We don't use "Professor Oak (person)" or "Potion (item)", even though these titles would otherwise be ambiguous. "Professor Oak" could, for instance, refer to the card. In these cases, it's clear that the character of Professor Oak is a "base" from which the cards are inspired--the title's enough for us to know what the article's talking about.
::::It's a little harder with Pokémon because there's only one "Professor Oak" and many "Butterfree". How do we know the article discusses the species and not any individual members? But I don't see how "(Pokémon)" clears that up. As Raijinili said, Ash's Butterfree is still a Pokémon. Maybe "(species)" is a bit better, since Ash's Butterfree is definitely not a species, but in the games "species" means the title in the Pokédex, like "Seed" or "Tiny Bird", so we'd be introducing more confusion.
::::I suggest removing it entirely. The plain title "[[Butterfree]]" does no worse at distinguishing the species from its members than "[[Butterfree (Pokémon)]]" and it looks much better. The only way in which it's inferior is you don't know if it's about the species or the cards. But if that distinction matters so much, we need to overhaul many other article titles: "Professor Oak (person)", "Potion (item)", or even "Misty's Starmie (Pokémon)". What an eyesore that would be. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 16:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::The reason behind the name is to prevent people from searching "Pikachu" looking for Ash's Pikachu or any of the other 50,000 Pikachu that have appeared in the games, anime, manga, TCG, and other series. We don't have them at "Professor Oak (person)" or similar titles because there is only one Professor Oak, even if he just so happens to be a person. There are several Jimmys, so we do the same thing with them: the article [[Jimmy]] is a disambiguation, with the real content titled appropriately. Does that clear things up? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I understand the reason but it's flawed. First, the "(Pokémon)" ending doesn't do it's job. That's the main problem. Somebody unfamiliar with Bulbapedia conventions would be unable to tell if "Pikachu (Pokémon)" referred to Ash's Pikachu or the species. The advantage "Pikachu (species)" has is that it actually ''does'' the disambiguation. You know it can refer to nothing but the group of all Pikachu, and not just Ash's.
::::::Second, if we want to ease searches, we equally need to help those who type "Professor Oak" looking for "Professor Oak (Base Set 88)"--in fact, I did just that yesterday when looking up some TCG articles. I had to scroll to the bottom of the article to find what I was looking for. Here's a case where the title's ambiguity really was a problem. One way to fix it ''would'' be to turn the Professor Oak page into a disambiguation linking to both his person and his cards. And maybe it's the best thing to do, though ugly and absurd. It's more consistent than the rules we currently have, though. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 17:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

== Admission ==

Am I allowed to join? [[User:Mr.Lucario|Mr.Lucario]] 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone is. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon ==

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

i have a friend who has apparently caught Jirachi within Emerald without trading or cheating. I know other users probably know how to do this, but we need to tell how on the page for Jirachi. if nobody else can figure it out, i'll find out how she did it and post it. --[[User:Hac0013|Hac0013]] 00:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:
*All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
*All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
*We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
*Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
*We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
*We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
*As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
*We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.
::So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::We're also missing a lot of {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Unown}} sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::For example, we have normal and shiny front and back ''A'' 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny ''U'''s for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct ''Y'' in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all ''A'' 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for ''F''? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== I've never talked on the discussion board before, but... ==

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill
Azumarill
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Ninetales
Pichu
Raichu
Golduck
Rhyhorn
Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another sprite suggestion, ==

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== A Question I feel is important about Learnsets ==

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. {{unsigned|Aburnett}}
:Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Headers ==

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I did it myself. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== An idea ==

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

Currently, we do it like this:

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::How is it trivia? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''Trivia'' usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.
:::::For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games ''and'' watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== GenI/II menusprites ==

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== "In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves" ==

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) 
Bump. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:14 12/11/2008
:Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading card '''''game''''']] that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.
::And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokédex Entries ==

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? {{u|WatcherMark}}
:We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Theryguy512/Anime Dex Project|Here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Sprites ==

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]
:It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]

== Battle Frontier Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:They are the only moves that [[Clamperl (Pokémon)#By leveling up|Clamperl]] can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== See Also ==

How about adding a 'See Aslo' tittle to the bottom of every Pokémon's page and in that tittle you can put the evolutions of that Pokémon, it obviously doesn't need to be added to a Pokémon's page if the Pokémon only has one evolution. So what does everyone think?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 07:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:But each Pokémon's evolutions are already shown in the Evolution subsection on each page. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, sorry I didn't realize.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can I join? ==

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS...]] 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Does this {{tt|"silence"|Can't you just hear that echo?}} mean I can join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::With that out of the way, hello, {{tt|new project|My 3rd project... wow!}}!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Background... ==

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this:
<nowiki>
{| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__</nowiki> 
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can i join? ==

Can i join the Project Pokédex?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructions[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? [[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Formes ==

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for {{tt|future forms|which, at the rate GameFreak's going, there will be a lot of soon}}. {{tt|I|or we}} could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down{{tt|,|which may be useful in the event that TTE, you, and I all die in some freak accident the day before Gen V comes out}} put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== HI! ==

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, all right then. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Global PokedeX Plus ==

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. [[User:Puppo530|Puppo530]] 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (Easter Buneary)
::while they frown upon "eggdexii" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.
::Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a table [[Hiker|some trainer classes]], look there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at {{p|Mew}}'s page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their [[party]], {{p|Pikachu}} is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel + ==

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category..
But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually?
Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon pictures ==

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Am I the only one to notice this? ==

In Platinum, '''MANY''' Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)
:Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented [[Player character|here]] (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)
::::While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this is okay...? ==

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[[User:Umeko|Umeko]]
:Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Arceus}}. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

:::::Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

:::::So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

:I guess I'll help out on this front as well. I have SoulSilver so I can fill in with the Japanese. My translation skills are near non-existent (It's getting better. ._<;), so I can just provide the raw Japanese. I can try my best to translate, but I'll only do it for those that I'm completely sure on. So yeah, if you don't mind translating them, I can put in any of the the raw Japanese pokedex entries I have for SoulSilver. :3 --NyaChan 01:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding the HGSS gen3/4 Entries ==

Figured I'd toss the raw Japanese in for the pokemon I have (anyone who can translate, go ahead), and spotted a few Gen3 Pokémon have the same dex entry for HG and SS. Dunno if that's the case for them all, but it's looking to be true. Can't prove all of them just yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're all identical between versions. So yeah, if there's a dex entry for one, it's likely it's the same for the other version too. Just thought I'd point it out. Also, if anyone can translate the dex entries, please do, my Japanese isn't really good enough to figure it all out yet. ^^;;> --NyaChan 04:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Going through and translating what you have now. :D I did notice that some of them had identical entries for both versions, but since I'm only playing HG at the moment I can't prove first-hand that it's the same throughout. Probably is, but best to go with what is known 100%. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 04:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl events ==

Should information about the events that a playable Pokémon character is in be included? Such as "The player plays as {{p|Lucario}} in "The Aura is With Me" if the player plays as that Pokémon or "The player plays against a {{pkmn2|giant}} {{p|Charizard}} in {{tt|X event|I don't remember which it is}}. If this should be put, should the {{tt|other characters that are in that event|which will say in Charizard's case: The player plays as R.O.B against a giant Charizard along with a giant Bowser and a giant Donkey Kong}} be included as well? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:Also, if {{tt|this|the above statement}} is okay, should different articles be created for the playable characters of the Pokémon series (with the exception of the Pokémon trainer)? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
::Anybody? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==Somebody do something!==
I was poking around and on some of the Generation 1 Pokémon (Don't know if it's just them)and on the list that shows which move it learns at what level, some of them are missing the link to the Gen. 1 list. If you click on Gen. 2 you can find it there, so the page exists, but it's not linked. I don't know how those templates work, so could someone look through and fix them? (or tell me how to do it, I like being helpful =D) Thanks! [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Joining,! ==

Guys, I Had been reading this Bulbapedia from june 2009. I Still Havent Read All Articles so i joined this wiki a week ago to help here. my information might be late as i live in india...(ASIA)

== Male and female sprites ==
Hi there, I have a suggestion! ^^ With some Pokémon, the male and female sprites differ and both of them are shown in the table of sprites. However, wouldn't it make a little more sense to actually label which one is which? I originally thought there was a mistake on one of the pages because the male/female sprites looked so similar I thought they'd been uploaded twice. It would make it easier for n00bs like me to tell the difference XD [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 10:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:The male one is on the top, the female one is on the bottom. We are looking at upgrading that template, so we'll look at addressing the issue more permanently then. Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Gym guide

2010-05-16T16:18:21Z

MaskedFalcon: Per Bulbapedia talk:Manual of style

[[File:GymGuy.png|thumb|right|240px|[[Oreburgh Gym]]'s caretaker, as seen in {{v2|Platinum}}]]
The '''gym caretaker''' is a character in the [[main series]] [[Pokémon games]]. The title actually belongs to at least four characters, each corresponding to a different [[region]]. In each case, the caretaker is usually found at the front of a Pokémon [[Gym]], ready to offer tactical advice to novice {{pkmn|Trainer}}s. He can often be sarcastic in nature.

Some gyms are unique, in that their caretaker seemingly roams outside its walls. The [[Celadon Gym]] caretaker is not seen in his gym, and appears instead at the [[Rocket Game Corner]], where he plays the [[slot machine]]s. Similarly, the [[Cianwood Gym]] caretaker is found in the [[Cianwood City|city]]'s [[Pokémon Center]] instead of the gym. The [[Petalburg Gym]] caretaker will vanish after the {{player}} has defeated his or her [[Norman|father]], and, in [[Generation II]] only, the [[Cinnabar Gym]] caretaker will arrive after [[Blaine]] has been defeated.

No official name has been released for the gym caretaker. This has given rise to the fan-designated name "Jim Gai"—a pun on "gym guy".

==Quotes==
====Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow====
''"Hiya! I can tell you have what it takes to become a Pokémon champ! I'm no trainer, but I can tell you how to win! Let me take you to the top!"'' 
''"Just as I thought! You're Pokémon champ material!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Here's my advice! The Leader, Misty, is a pro who uses water Pokémon! You can drain all their water with plant Pokémon! Or, zap them with electricity!"'' 
''"You beat Misty! What'd I tell ya? You and me kid, we make a pretty darn good team!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Lt.Surge has a nickname. People refer to him as the Lightning American! He's an expert on electric Pokémon! Birds and water Pokémon are at risk! Beware of paralysis too! Lt.Surge is very cautious! You'll have to break a code to get to him!"'' 
''"Whew! That match was electric!"''
 

''"Hey! You have better things to do, champ in making! Celadon Gym's Leader is Erika! She uses grass-type Pokémon! She might appear docile, but don't be fooled!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Sabrina's Pokémon use psychic power instead of force! Fighting Pokémon are weak against psychic Pokémon! They get creamed before they can even aim a punch!"'' 
''"Psychic power, huh? If I had that, I'd make a bundle at the slots!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! The hot-headed Blaine is a fire Pokémon pro! Douse his spirits with water! You better take some Burn Heals!"'' 
''"[[player character|<player>]]! You beat that fire brand!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Even I don't know Viridian Leader's identity! This will be the toughest of all the Gym Leaders! I heard that the trainers here like ground-type Pokémon!"'' 
''"Blow me away! Giovanni was the Gym Leader here?"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! At Pokémon League, you have to face the Elite Four in succession. If you lose, you have to start all over again! This is it! Go for it!"''

====Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal====
''"Hey! I'm no trainer but I can give some advice! Believe me! If you believe, a championship dream can come true. You believe? Then listen. The grass-type is weak against the flying-type. Keep this in mind."'' 
''"Nice battle! Keep it up, and you'll be the champ in no time at all!"''
 

''"Yo, challenger! Bugsy's young, but his knowledge of bug Pokémon is for real. It's going to be tough without my advice. Let's see... Bug Pokémon don't like fire. Flying-type moves are super-effective too. Well done! That was a great clash of talented young trainers."'' 
''"With people like you, the future of Pokémon is bright!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! This Gym is home to normal-type Pokémon trainers. I recommend you use fighting-type Pokémon."'' 
''"You won? Great! I was busy admiring the ladies here."''
 

''"The trainers here have secret motives. If you win, they may tell you some deep secrets about Ecruteak."'' 
''"Whew, [[player character|<player>]]. You did great! I was cowering in the corner out of pure terror!"''
 

''"Jasmine, the Gym Leader, is at the Lighthouse. She's been tending to a sick Pokémon. A strong trainer has to be compassionate. Jasmine uses the newly discovered steel-type. I don't know very much about it."'' 
''"That was awesome. The steel-type, huh? That was a close encounter of an unknown kind!"''
 

''"Pryce is a veteran who has trained Pokémon for some 50 years. He's said to be good at freezing opponents with ice-type moves. That means you should melt him with your burning ambition!"'' 
''"Pryce is something, but you're something else! That was a hot battle that bridged the generation gap!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! It's been a long journey, but we are almost done! Count on me! Clair uses the mythical and sacred dragon-type Pokémon. You can't damage them very easily. But you know, they're supposed to be weak against ice-type moves."'' 
''"You were great to beat Clair! All that's left is the Pokémon League challenge. You're on the way to becoming the Pokémon Champion!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! You lucked out this time. Lt.Surge is very cautious. He has traps set all over the Gym. But--he-heh--the traps aren't active right now. You'll have no problem getting to Lt.Surge."'' 
''"Whew! That was an electrifying bout! It sure made me nervous."''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! A trainer as skilled as you doesn't need to be told how to deal with psychic-type Pokémon , right? I expect great things from you! Good luck!"'' 
''"That was another fantastic battle!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Since Misty was away, I went out for some fun too. He-he-he."'' 
''"Hoo, you showed me how tough you are. As always, that was one heck of a great battle!"''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! Whoops! Take a good look around you. The trainers all look like the Leader, Janine. Which of them is the real Janine?"'' 
''"That was a great battle, trainer from Johto!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! You're really rocking. Are you battling the Gym Leaders of Kanto? They're strong and dedicated people, just like Johto's Gym Leaders."'' 
''"Yo! Champ in making! That Gym didn't give you much trouble. The way you took charge was really inspiring. I mean that seriously."''
 

''"Yo! ... Huh? It's over already? Sorry, dude! Cinnabar Gym was gone, so I didn't know where to find you. But, hey, you're plenty strong even without my advice. I knew you'd win!"'' 
''"A Pokémon Gym can be anywhere as long as the Gym Leader is there. They're no need for a building."''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! How's it going? Looks like you're on a roll. The Gym Leader is a guy who battled the Champion three years ago. He's no pushover. Give it everything you've got!"'' 
''"Man, you are truly tough... That was a heck of an inspirational battle. It brought tears to my eyes."''

==Trivia==
* All of the caretakers before [[Generation IV]] were known for saying, "Yo! Champ-in-the-making!"
** In HeartGold & SoulSilver, in Kanto (having beaten the Elite Four) he refers to the player as "Legend in the making!"
* The character only appears in the games, having not so much as a cameo in the {{pkmn|anime}} or [[Pokémon Adventures|manga]].
* The Kanto Caretaker seems to be the same as the Johto Caretaker in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} as referenced in the Pewter Gym when the Caretaker there seems to recognize the character.

 
{| align="center" border="0"
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| align="right" | {{Kanto NPCs}}
| align="left" | {{Johto NPCs}}
|}
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{|
| align="right" | {{Hoenn NPCs}}
| align="left" | {{Sinnoh NPCs}}
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[[Category:Gym assistants]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Bulbapedia talk:Manual of style/Archive 1

2010-05-16T16:16:43Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Quick question */

== Evolution Chain Standardisation ==

The references to how a Pokémon evolves and into what creature is unstandardised across every species article. I propose that we create a section for each species page with the evolutionary chains of that particular species. Such standardisation would make navigation simple, as well as a give a way to describe exactly how the Pokémon evolves in each case.

: The style used at the {{p|Beldum}} article series is the standard. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 21:02, 25 December 2005 (CST)

::And for forked evolutions (such as {{P|Poliwhirl}}) see the {{p|Clamperl}} family.[[User:User142|User142]] 00:11, 26 December 2005 (CST)

:::That's only for the two-way forks with two or three-stage chains. For Eevee, use vertical layout - Eevee on one row, the rest on the next row.

== Real people Japanese names==
What is the policy regarding names of Japanese real people?

There doesn't appear to be one, so I will show a proposal.

As we all know, in Japan the last name goes before the given name, BUT in the U.S. the names are usually switched.

So to reflect both naming orders, I would like to use this convention:

"Junichiro Koizumi (Japanese: 小泉純一郎, Koizumi Jun'ichirō, born January 8, 1942)"

Now, with historical figures, there is usually no need to repeat the Japanese order unless macrons are involved:
"Tokugawa Ieyasu (previously spelled Iyeyasu); 徳川家康"

Also I would like to have a page on here that explains Japanese naming conventions.

[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 12:35, 7 January 2006 (CST)

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Perhaps [[Misty's Togetic|Misty's Togepi]] and [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]] should be at the top of each episode's Pokémon list along with [[Ash's Pikachu]] and [[Meowth (Team Rocket)]], as they (have) appeared in every episode their trainers made an appearance in since their capture (with the exception of Togepi, which evolved and left). --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 00:27, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

:It's hard to say yes or no to these cases. Pokeani gives those two their own articles. The same argument could potentially apply to [[James's Chimecho]]. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:13, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

:I'd argue that they do deserve to be named simply on the basis that they are featured, and they all do play a significant role in the anime in general. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 08:03, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

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For things both in the games and in the anime, do we want something like what I've done for [[Bill|Bill's page]] to be the standard? If so, should we incorporate that setup into the Manual of style?

~Evan

== Individual Pokémon vs. Pokémon species? ==

That seems to be the best, if not most thorough, format.

I have another issue to bring up, though. Do you think it's important to define the difference between individual Pokémon and Pokémon species in the Manual of Style? For instance, EVs, IVs, and so on are characteristics of individual Pokémon, while base stats, types, and so on are characteristics of Pokémon species. If so, perhaps an article called "Pokémon specie" might be created, and links in articles referring to Pokémon species, not individual Pokémon, might lead to it. It could look like this:

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A Pokémon specie is a "kind" of [[Pokémon]], such as {{p|Bulbasaur}} or {{p|Zubat}}. Pokémon of certain species can change into some other species by [[evolution|evolving]], such as a Bulbasaur evolving into an {{p|Ivysaur}}.

Oftentimes, a specie's name can refer to an individual Pokémon of that species instead. For instance, "Bulbasaur is a Grass-type" refers to the Bulbasaur specie, but "Bulbasaur uses Vine Whip" refers to a single Bulbasaur. In the [[National Dex|National ID]] system, they are numbered from 1 to 151.

Initially when the [[Pokémon Red|Red]], [[Pokémon Green|Green]] (in Japan only), [[Pokémon Blue|Blue]], and [[Pokémon Yellow|Yellow]] versions were released, there were 151 Pokémon species.

When the [[Pokémon Gold|Gold]], [[Pokémon Silver|Silver]], and [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] versions were released, 100 more species were added, making a total of 251.

When the [[Advanced Generation]] games were released, 135 more species were added, making a total of 386.

Currently, two species from the fourth generation have been officially revealed to the public, {{p|Munchlax}} and {{p|Lucario}} (Japanese name).

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It might also be useful to disambiguate this in the [[Pokémon]] article, talking about how the term "Pokémon" might refer to Pokémon species (Charmander is a Fire-type Pokémon), individual Pokémon (Pokémon which receive 4 Attack EVs have their Attack stat increase by 1), or the franchise (Pokémon was first conceptualized by Satoshi Tajiri).

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== Pokémon anime characters articles standarization ==
We've got two styles for articles in [[:Category:Anime characters (Pokémon)]] to refer back to the main article of the Pokémon in general. One's found on [[Ash's Pikachu]], [[Meowth (Team Rocket)]], and [[Jigglypuff (anime)]], where it has on the top an "Unnamedpokemon" template pointing the main Pokémon's article to people right off the bat. The other's on pages like [[Brock's Bonsly]], [[Ash's Butterfree]], and [[Mewtwo (anime)]], where it mentions the main Pokémon's article down at the bottom in the "Related articles" section.

They both have their advantages - I mean, the first one makes it very easy for someone to find the article on the Pokémon's species since it's right there at the top rather than way down at the bottom, while on the other hand the second is better adapted to Pokémon which have evolved, as on the article for Ash's Butterfree.

It's bothering me that both styles exist - can we standardize them? Which style is better? Should we make alternate Unnamedpokemon templates for Pokémon with multiple stages, and switch all the Pokémon anime characters articles to it? Or should we ditch the Unnamedpokemon template completely, and change all the articles which use it to having the "Related articles" reference? Or should we go for some third style that trumps the other two completely?

Personally, I'm more in favor of the Unnamedpokemon template - it looks better to me, and the only problem with it could be fixed pretty easily, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 22:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The style used in {{template|Unnamedpokemon}} is more suitable when a user may have arrived at that article by mistake (via redirect, for example, or by lack of a disambiguation page). Such a thing should be present, for example, on [[Battle Frontier]] and not [[Battle Frontier (song)]]. But that doesn't seem likely here, not since we abandoned the idea of redirecting [[Pikachu]] to [[Ash's Pikachu]]. The related articles style seems better. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:Ah, all right, then. ^^o --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 05:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

== British vs. American spelling? ==

I don't know where to ask this, so I'll just ask it here.
Which English spelling does Bulbapedia prefer? I have found some pages that use British spelling (ex: colour, defence), while others use American spelling (ex: color, defense). I'm American, so I'm more accustomed to the the latter.
Does it matter at all, or should they just be left as is? -[[User:Ringtails|Ringtails]] 04:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say leave the British/American spelling as-is, as in, don't edit an article just to change the spelling to the other one. Remember, though, both are correct, so we should have a redirect from [[Alternate colour]] if we don't already... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Standardise article titles on American spelling, and have consistency within an article. As he says though, don't edit an article just to change the spelling from one to another. (It can lead to revert wars.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::In the cases where something is spelt the same in American and British versions (which I think is all cases where something is written down) then we should use that spelling. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Last time I checked the games and the anime are translated in the United States. So I personally think American English should be used. True that most English-speaking countries use British English officially (I know that not all countries besides US do that) but most English-language countries use the American translation of the anime, and as far as I know, the games are officially translated in the United States. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since [[Pokémon Center]] isn't very often referred to as [[Pokémon centre]] I have a feeling most English-speaking countries use the American translations. I also think so because the games/anime use feet/miles. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 13:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::If you're talking about the colour of a Zigzagoon for example I don't think it really matters where the game is made. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Do you guys in the rest of the world have the American English versions of the game? I'd imagine it to be completely ridiculous to go through the entire game script changing every appearance of "color" to "colour" and stuff... Is it Special Defence over there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Agreed it is ridiculous, which is also why I think the American spelling is used when released elsewhere. As far as I know it's officially translated into English in the United States. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Correct, we do use American spelling. Not that there are all that many words that you can see the difference. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 02:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::{{a|Color Change}}, {{a|Colour Change}}. id think Defense/Defence would be the biggest. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokedex style ==

Was goin through pokedex info and revising today when I realized, The European version probably differs from the American version. Not only that, but the Height, Weight and Species information have had some inconsistencies with the game I am going by. (Pokemon Pearl, Us Version). Who's to say which is the correct version? I suggest two pokedex catagories, US and UK. What is your view on this? --[[User:Dekubobo|Dekubobo]] 14:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:I don't understand. Why would there be a difference? And D/P won't be released in Europe for another two months so how can it affect things now?
:On a more helpful note, I am planning to get a European copy so I'll be able to help compare the versions at the time. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::Believe me, we've missed a lot when it comes to updating each Pokémon's page-- and with 493, who wouldn't? I still find Pokémon with their Sinnoh Dex number listed as "?", so I'd not doubt that some of the DP dex entries are translated from the Japanese versions, and the same for the species.
::I don't see why, either, there'd be a difference in the dex entries between Europe and the US, unless it's the German translation or something. The UK version, I'm betting, will be exactly the same as the US version, though maybe instead it'll use meters and kilograms instead of feet/inches and pounds. Don't see much else to change, though... Not with any reason, at least. English is English. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== Gyms and Badges ==
I just wondered how we should go about these, once and for all:
* [[Gym]] or gym? Pokémon Gym or Pokémon gym? (consider Official Pokémon League-sanctioned Gym)
* [[Badge]] or badge? Gym Badge or Gym badge? Boulderbadge, Boulder Badge or Boulder badge? It seems to vary by generation, but it's strange to see Boulderbadge and then Coal Badge on the same page.

Badges are technically items (see Escape Rope) but what about individually? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Well, in RBYGSCRSEFRLG, they were typed as BOULDERBADGE, CASCADEBADGE, and so on. After all, you know how previously we had the move {{m|AncientPower}} as Ancientpower, because it was written in all caps so we didn't know the intended spelling... I'd say we oughta go with what DP says, including the instruction book.

:And it says... unless it's a specific badge, it's not capitalized. There are eight Pokémon League Badges: the Coal Badge, the Forest Badge, and so on. If you have a badge it proves you've defeated a Gym Leader. Pokémon Gym seems to be a different case. It's Leader or Gym Leader, Gym or Pokémon Gym.

:We might have to wait for a GS remake to be for sure about the old badges taking on the same style as the Sinnoh ones... but eh, it's a wiki, everything can be undone if that's the case. I'd personally say keep the separate, both capitalized rule for badge names, and do them ALL that way, since it's not only consistent, but very likely that that's what was meant originally.

:So. Recap: Gym over gym, Pokémon Gym over Pokémon gym, badge over Badge, unless it's a specific badge like the Boulder Badge, Zephyr Badge, Stone Badge, or Coal Badge, or named as an official Pokémon League Badge. That's my take on things, at least, I say it all depends if Pie and Argy agree, they're the Style Editors. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Also: to add something, [http://fromearth.net/LetsPlay/Pokemon%20Emerald/Update%209/roxxanne84um.png this proves] that the badges are at the very least named as XXXXX Badge in Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== New Move Template ==
[[User:Royalshow ten]] posted a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pound_%28move%29&oldid=173693#By_leveling_up new template for showing moves] at the [[Pound (move)|Pound]] article, as well as other move articles. Though they were reverted by a moderator, I personally think that these tables look better and are easier to navigate than the current large boxes that are there. Thoughts? [[User:Morgan695|Morgan695]] 05:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Color==
I could never figure out how the colors come out. like '''acd''' or '''FFFFFF'''. How do we know what the color is?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:The number is divided into three groups of two digits: the first represents red, the second green, the third blue. It functions on the principle of [[wikipedia:additive color|additive color]]. Furthermore, the numbers are in [[wikipedia:hexadecimal|hexadecimal]]; the maximum value of each of the three primary colours, FF, equals to 255 in decimal (our number system).

:Three digits is shorthand when the digits repeat themselves: if you have #FFCC99, you can write #FC9 instead. [[User:Laogeodritt|Laogeodritt]] 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well, I know you can find color-codes on Wikipedia pages like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown Brown] [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Or you could just nab a color on Photoshop or some program that lets you see the color hex code, and copy it down. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::OR YOU COULD GUESS. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 10:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Parenthesis mis-match ==

Since the page seems to be protected, I'd like to note a parenthesis mis-match in section '''Article titles''', second paragraph.

:''In cases where only a first name ([[Bill]]) exists, or where a character is known by a title, such as [[Professor Oak]]) more than their proper name, those should be used as the sole title of the page.''

should be

:''In cases where only a first name ([[Bill]]) exists, or where a character is known by a title (such as [[Professor Oak]]) more than their proper name, those should be used as the sole title of the page.''

'''[[User:Laogeodritt|Laogeodritt]]''' <nowiki>[ </nowiki>Talk [[User Talk:Laogeodritt|BP]] [[a:User Talk:Laogeodritt|ARC]] [[wp:User talk:Laogeodritt|WP]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laogeodritt|Contribs]]<nowiki> ]</nowiki> 23:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's already been fixed [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:...right before you said that. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 23:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Not exactly. check the Recent Changes page. this topic came first chronologically.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 23:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No, no, I was talking about Theryguy. He said it was fixed, however he said that right after it was. :p Even though the ''topic'' came first, it was corrected. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 00:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Well, I told TTEchidna on AIM and then said it was fixed. Why does it matter? [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 00:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:*shrugs* Whatever. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 00:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== [[Ash's Gligar]] ==
Can someone please add Ash's Gligar to the list? We also need Paul's Gliscor to be added......--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Done. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Voice actors? ==

Okay, this is getting insane. Yes, I know Pokémon's been translated and dubbed into nearly every world language... but we can't just keep adding the people who voice Ash in every single dub. That's making an entire paragraph to itself! From his page as it stands:

"His Japanese voice actress is 松本梨香 Rica Matsumoto, his English voice actresses are Veronica Taylor (4Kids Entertainment dub) and Sarah Natochenny (Pokémon USA/TAJ Productions dub), his Brazilian voice actor is Fábio Lucindo, his Italian voice actor is Davide Garbolino, and his Spanish voice actors are Adolfo Moreno (Spain) and Gabriel Ramos (Latin America). In the first dub of The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon he was voiced by Jamie Peacock."

Honestly? I think a reduction to just English and Japanese would be fine. It's great that we have the vocal talents of so many individuals in so many languages, but really, seriously, do we need to list them ''all''? We have the [[list of voice actors]], we could even link to that! Perhaps even expand the list to include other not-so-minor characters like Elite Four members and Gym Leaders. But on a character's page, spending an entire paragraph listing off every VA they've ever had in every language is just insane.

...speaking of which, the list of VAs needs to be reorganized. I say put those who voice in EP languages first, since they're far more likely to a: have an article over on ''their'' wiki so we don't have to just make a stub here, and b: I believe people would be more interested in seeing who does so in the languages of the wikis we affiliate with. The biggest problem I see is that it's huge table × huge table.

Anyway. THOUGHTS?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 18:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well we only have the huge voice paragraphs on major characters, such as Brock, Misty, Ash, Dawn, Gary, etc. Like look at (random pick) [[Egan]] for example. He has one sentence:

''His English voice actress is Amy Birnbaum and his Japanese voice actress is 柳沢三千代 Michiyo Yanagisawa.''

Many minor characters have only one sentence, the big pharagraphs are only for the main characters. I think we can live with them. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 19:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, still, it confuses the hell out of me when I have to go through three sentences to find who voiced character X in English because people don't wanna delete one "and" and write another, so they just put the VAs in between the English and Japanese ones. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm...well that's tru. I guess you're right. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree that we only need Japanese and English voice actors on the character's pages. Heck, some characters we don't even have the English VA, yet we have the Brazilian/Portuguese voice actors. Maybe to compensate, we could have a list of voice actors in other languages page (actually, we kind of [[List of voice actors|already do]]). --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 23:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Exactly. We just need to fix it up because the charting's not too good... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Arbok and Weezing... ==

Okay, we know that Wobby and Chimecho/Mime Jr. appear in every episode, but I remember the days in which Ekans/Arbok and Koffing/Weezing were the TR mascot Pokémon. Sure, they didn't pop out of their Balls, but at least one of them was used in literally every battle until somewhere around mid-Johto... Though if they get "mascot Pokémon" status, so should Piplup. What's everyone think? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Piplup has arguably been used as a mascot in general lately, to be sure. It and the other Sinnoh starters.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Obviously. But it's out of the ball nearly all the time, too... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== APER ==

And by that I mean the anime Pokémon evolution rule. It says "DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS". Well, I believe that this only applies to Pokémon, strictly for the season articles. Events from future episodes should still be listed, doesn't everyone think so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

: As long as the events are confirmed and not excessively spoiler-laden, why not? - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::And Pokémon ownership is not mentioned, of course. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== British and Australian English ==

I think British and Australian englidh titles should at least redirect to their American names. eg: [[Alternate Colouration]] redirects to [[Alternate Coloration]] I am Australian, and the way it currently is, i type in [[Alternate Colouration]] ad get nothing. Edit: Okay, that's been fixed now, but i think it should still be mentioned. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 00:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC))

== Brock's Happiny ==

[[Brock's Happiny]] isn't in the list... can someone add her to the list? [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 03:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

What list--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 03:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== HM moves ==

I think it should be in the manual that HM takes an "a" not an "an".
"A HM move"
"An HM move"
Does the latter not sound ridiculous?
Bulbapedia is littered with that the incorrect use.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 14:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, but it's not just in "HM." I'm a personal stickler for grammar, so I always seek stuff like that out and fix it, and it would be great for you to do the same. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 14:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::A HM? No one pronounces it "aych emm"? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:::That depends on whether one likes to pronounce as it would be written as "HM" or "Hidden Machine". I'd say that it should be "an HM"; if the article says "Hidden Machine", then use the "a" article. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 16:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Snow way out problem ==

Could someone please remove the exclamation point on Snow way out because with it the link isnt working. --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 16:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, I fixed the problem, but the exclamation point shouldn't be removed from the title, since it ''is'' part of the title. I moved the page accordingly. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== Dawn's Piplup ==

As much as I hate to say it, I think Piplup should now be always on the top of list. Considering I saw it's name in the credits of [[Message of the Wind]], along with the list of human main characters, Pikachu, and Meowth, in the recent episodes. What do you guys think? [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 13:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:It got its own ending. Editorial board, your say in this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
::At this point, as long as the series is considering it to be a main character, I'd say put it at the top. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 14:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Form vs Forme ==

Speaking of which, why are we using the latter version? Shouldn't we be using that which is more grammatically correct? I have no idea where "forme" came from, did someone mistranslate an official source and everyone latched on to that afterwards? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No, "Forme" is the official name for that, for example, Deoxys' forms in Pokémon.com Dex are written as "Normal Forme", "Speed Forme", "Defense Forme", "Attack Forme". I think they will use this for Shaymin and Giratina too --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 06:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

:"Forme" is completely wrong. Someone misinterpreted a Japanese source as being an official spelling. Anything spelling it as "forme" is wrong. This whole "forme" bull**** will simply blow over with no damage done. The new form of Giratina will be known as the "Origin Form" in America, and by then this whole "forme" argument will have been long since forgotten. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

At least for Deoxys is official... --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 04:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== I oppose ==

Lists of Pokémon in other articles: "Unless there is a specific reason to order them otherwise, lists of Pokémon should be sorted according to their National Dex number."

I oppose that. No wait, I '''strongly''' oppose that. You wanna know why? Well, say you disconnect {{p|Rhydon}} and {{p|Rhyperior}} from being next to each other. If you do that, people who don't know much about Pokémon may not know that Rhydon and Rhyperior are related. We don't want that, do we? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not gonna change. It's in National Dex order everywhere! Changing it would be the stupidest thing I have ever seen in my life, besides your antics. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 01:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::You think I'm stupid?! I never said anything to you! What the HELL?! --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I said that what you do is stupid. I didn't say you were stupid. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::How exactly are my actions stupid? I've added information about the {{game|Platinum}} [[move tutor]]s, and you think my edits are stupid? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Why no response?! --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Possibly because people live in different time zones, and he probably already went to bed. And, why should the one good thing you do justify all the bad things you do? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::When have I done any bad things? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::hmm... a quick look at my talk page, and other admins' talk pages, as well as various places on the archives shows what the bad things you have done: there are too many to list here, if you want to know them, look in the places specified. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

This is getting irrelevant to the purpose of this discussion. Let's get back to the purpose, okay? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:Many lists allow for a specific reason. Abilities give that specific reason. What else do you wanna list by evofamily? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::Because by not putting Rhydon and Rhyperior next to each other, it might make some people unaware of the fact that they're related. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Who cares if someone doesn't think that they're related? If they really want to know, they can click on the link and go find out themselves--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 20:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Bulbapedia should be as descriptive as possible. Therefore, we don't wanna get people confused and have to make them look at a different page to rid the confusion. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sorting by ndex number is an easily-followed standard. Sorting by evolution family makes sense, yes, but there's no real "official" way to do it. I'd suspect it'd just cause confusion. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Actually, evofamily standard would just put the new evos/prevos by the first member of their family introduced, like in the [[list of Pokémon by evolution family]] I spent forever putting together way back when... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokémon links ==

Why should we link to redirects with anime Pokémon links? For example, if we wanted to talk about [[Ash's Grotle]] when it was a {{p|Turtwig}}, why should we link to [[Ash's Turtwig]] instead of Ash's Grotle? We could always do it like this:

<code><nowiki>[[Ash's Grotle|Turtwig]]</nowiki></code>

Or like this:

<code><nowiki>[[Ash's Grotle|Ash's Turtwig]]</nowiki></code>

See? We can say "Ash's Turtwig" and avoid a redirect link. So, why should we link to redirects with anime Pokémon? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 16:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:Bump. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Because when you hover over it then it displays what it becomes. Someone who only watched the end of Johto doesn't want to be looking through the article on EP265 and see Ash's Donphan in the tooltip. Plus, it's a pain to do and just adds more bytes to the page which can be solved with a redirect. If you guys would understand: REDIRECTS AREN'T EVIL in most instances, especially one created by a link template. Is Ash ever going to catch another Charmander? Signs point to no. We may rethink it if Tauros ever evolves, but I put the chance of that happening at about 1%. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks for clarifying this, though I think you got the image that both of us were against the current way it is done :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 00:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== -moz-border-radius ==

Should we add this to the part about tables, as it is now part of the standards?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:Hah, even though the entire manual is outdated and being remade. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

:(edit conflict) I think for general tables, we don't need to make a note; the rounded corners are mainly a standard in templates, which aren't created often enough to really need a style guide. We still use the normal table style for simple tables in articles, like on [[Nature]]. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

::I use Safari and I think that we should also add "-webkit-border-radius" as it is not biased against any other browser besides Firefox. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 00:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Bringing up Pandamonia's comment, [http://www.css3.info/preview/rounded-border/ this page should help] in finding borders.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 00:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Upgrade ahoy ==

Yeah we're finally getting around to breaking this iceberg up so the users can pick and choose which parts to read without being confronted by a wall of text. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon redirects ==

Should Pokémon redirects (like [[Remoraid]]) be changed to have TCG groups on them as have the redirect pages like [[Eevee]]? It would help when searching for a specific Pokémon's card. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

Does it matter if there is a redirect on the Manual of Style? It has a link to Bulbapedia Shortlinks, which redirects to Bulbapedia:List of link templates. --[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 15:32, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

==Dawn's Piplup==

Piplup needs to be removed from Dawn's section and put into the top section like Pikachu, Togepi, Mime Jr., etc are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 22:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Updated Party! ==

Hey admins, I think Ash's Gible, Monferno, Infernape, Grotle and Torterra should be added in the ''Ash's Pokémon'' just like others. Thank you. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 18:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Interlanguage Links ==

What is missing here is a section on interlanguage links. Is there any preferred order? Like, for example, alphabetically ordered by the language prefixes (de, es, fr, ja, pl, pt)?--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 12:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, alphabetical order is what happens. If they aren't in that order, Bulbabot ends up fixing them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Poké'''g'''ear==
In the section [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Nouns, capitalization, and specific terminology]], it tells users to use Poké'''G'''ear as the capitalization, when the correct form is Poké'''g'''ear. [[PokéNav]] could be used instead for a camelcase example. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

When quoting a line from the games, should I copy it letter for letter or should I reformat it to meet the style standards? Example: "Hey! You have POKéMON! Come on! Let's battle'em!" Should I remove the all-caps on "POKéMON"? This would, of course, apply to almost every proper noun quoted in the early RPGs ("TEAM ROCKET", "FISSURE", "CASCADEBADGE"). And should I render the last words as "battle'em" or "battle 'em" (with the space) or "battle'em [sic]"? Thanks for the help. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 14:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:If it's a direct quote from the games, you should quote it exactly, regardless of grammar issues. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 16:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::Capitals however we just spell them like every other proper noun; the item template's description is a good example... they're direct quotes from the games but Gen I-III have the ALLCAPS written like a regular proper noun. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

So it's "Hey! You have Pokémon! Come on! Let's battle'em!" I actually would prefer rendering the early-gen quotes exactly, all-caps and all, but I'll defer to y'all's judgment. The guidelines for quoting the games should probably be put in the Manual, also. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 16:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Hyper Beam (move)

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==Archives==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)

== About external links and fan shrines... ==

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all.
--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.
:Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a ''lot'' of work into it as well.

::The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably ''one of'' the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

::So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

::Would that still be okay?--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Biology ==

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of {{p|Typhlosion}}'s article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:... how in the world did we miss that? D: --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar==
In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)]] or in the Location section like [[Venonat (Pokémon)]]. Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] || [[Pokéradar]] || [[Route 201]]
|}
:Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

{{Availability|
type=ice |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|216}} and {{rtn|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
}}

That's what {{p|Snorunt}} has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the [[Meowth]] page.

:Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on {{p|Meowth}}, [[Meowth]] is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{template|p}} template. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?[[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::::All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "[[Trophy Garden]] ([[Poké Radar]])" in the dparea thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::The Trophy Garden Pokémon '''don't''' need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Tiers==
Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the [[list of tiers]] page.
:Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...
:::I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?[[User:Blink|Blink]] 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
← 
Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if '''''everyone''''' knows this to be true. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.
:Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about.
Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

[[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur|So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur]]. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah... unless I get some help... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. [[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur/Future|Check it out]]. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)'''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::So when can we get started on changing them? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Body shape ==

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone got any ideas for this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:::How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But who'll say which is which? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Alternate Coloration ==

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as [[Red Gyarados]], stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.
:::I dunno, but that's my guess. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== pronunciation ==

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre
He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger.
How do i participate in Project Pokédex.
Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

== R/S sprites ==

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:All sprites means ''all'' of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Shadow ==

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

:Probaly under Game Info..... [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

===Shadow (name)===
In (Colo/XD) a [[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]] (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Size and Weight ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-])
what do you think?
[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:That information is in the infobox of every article... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Joining ==

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this project[[User:Darth Cookie Monster]] 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Held items ==

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. [[User:Dlt4|Don]] 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. [[User:Baynium|Baynium]] 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number redirecting ==

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help! ==

How do I join Project Pokédex?[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225
:Simply add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

== Generation 4 Smogon links ==

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhen_Lin&diff=prev&oldid=270480#BulbaBot_request] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== About the sprites and trivia ==

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? ==

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

: Your point? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

::Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Species]] is something very different. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Forgot about this.
:::'''Bulbasaur (species)''' is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. '''Bulbasaur (species)''' can only logically refer to one thing, while '''the Pokémon Bulbasaur''' can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the [[Pokémon species]] Bulbasaur. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Sorry for digging up old conversations, but I wonder if we need "(Pokémon)" at all. We don't use "[[Professor Oak (person)]]" or "[[Potion (item)]]", even though these titles would otherwise be ambiguous. "Professor Oak" could, for instance, refer to the card. In these cases, it's clear that the character of Professor Oak is a "base" from which the cards are inspired--the title's enough for us to know what the article's talking about.
::::It's a little harder with Pokémon because there's only one "Professor Oak" and many "Butterfree". How do we know the article discusses the species and not any individual members? But I don't see how "(Pokémon)" clears that up. As Raijinili said, Ash's Butterfree is still a Pokémon. Maybe "(species)" is a bit better, since Ash's Butterfree is definitely not a species, but in the games "species" means the title in the Pokédex, like "Seed" or "Tiny Bird", so we'd be introducing more confusion.
::::I suggest removing it entirely. The plain title "[[Butterfree]]" does no worse at distinguishing the species from its members than "[[Butterfree (Pokémon)]]" and it looks much better. The only way in which it's inferior is you don't know if it's about the species or the cards. But if that distinction matters so much, we need to overhaul many other article titles: "[[Professor Oak (person)]]", "[[Potion (item)]]", or even "[[Misty's Starmie (Pokémon)]]". What an eyesore that would be. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 16:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Admission ==

Am I allowed to join? [[User:Mr.Lucario|Mr.Lucario]] 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone is. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon ==

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

i have a friend who has apparently caught Jirachi within Emerald without trading or cheating. I know other users probably know how to do this, but we need to tell how on the page for Jirachi. if nobody else can figure it out, i'll find out how she did it and post it. --[[User:Hac0013|Hac0013]] 00:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:
*All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
*All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
*We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
*Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
*We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
*We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
*As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
*We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.
::So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::We're also missing a lot of {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Unown}} sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::For example, we have normal and shiny front and back ''A'' 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny ''U'''s for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct ''Y'' in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all ''A'' 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for ''F''? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== I've never talked on the discussion board before, but... ==

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill
Azumarill
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Ninetales
Pichu
Raichu
Golduck
Rhyhorn
Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another sprite suggestion, ==

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== A Question I feel is important about Learnsets ==

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. {{unsigned|Aburnett}}
:Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Headers ==

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I did it myself. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== An idea ==

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

Currently, we do it like this:

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::How is it trivia? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''Trivia'' usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.
:::::For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games ''and'' watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== GenI/II menusprites ==

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== "In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves" ==

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) 
Bump. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:14 12/11/2008
:Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading card '''''game''''']] that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.
::And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokédex Entries ==

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? {{u|WatcherMark}}
:We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Theryguy512/Anime Dex Project|Here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Sprites ==

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]
:It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]

== Battle Frontier Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:They are the only moves that [[Clamperl (Pokémon)#By leveling up|Clamperl]] can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== See Also ==

How about adding a 'See Aslo' tittle to the bottom of every Pokémon's page and in that tittle you can put the evolutions of that Pokémon, it obviously doesn't need to be added to a Pokémon's page if the Pokémon only has one evolution. So what does everyone think?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 07:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:But each Pokémon's evolutions are already shown in the Evolution subsection on each page. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, sorry I didn't realize.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can I join? ==

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS...]] 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Does this {{tt|"silence"|Can't you just hear that echo?}} mean I can join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::With that out of the way, hello, {{tt|new project|My 3rd project... wow!}}!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Background... ==

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this:
<nowiki>
{| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__</nowiki> 
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can i join? ==

Can i join the Project Pokédex?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructions[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? [[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Formes ==

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for {{tt|future forms|which, at the rate GameFreak's going, there will be a lot of soon}}. {{tt|I|or we}} could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down{{tt|,|which may be useful in the event that TTE, you, and I all die in some freak accident the day before Gen V comes out}} put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== HI! ==

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, all right then. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Global PokedeX Plus ==

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. [[User:Puppo530|Puppo530]] 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (Easter Buneary)
::while they frown upon "eggdexii" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.
::Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a table [[Hiker|some trainer classes]], look there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at {{p|Mew}}'s page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their [[party]], {{p|Pikachu}} is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel + ==

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category..
But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually?
Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon pictures ==

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Am I the only one to notice this? ==

In Platinum, '''MANY''' Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)
:Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented [[Player character|here]] (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)
::::While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this is okay...? ==

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[[User:Umeko|Umeko]]
:Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Arceus}}. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

:::::Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

:::::So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

:I guess I'll help out on this front as well. I have SoulSilver so I can fill in with the Japanese. My translation skills are near non-existent (It's getting better. ._<;), so I can just provide the raw Japanese. I can try my best to translate, but I'll only do it for those that I'm completely sure on. So yeah, if you don't mind translating them, I can put in any of the the raw Japanese pokedex entries I have for SoulSilver. :3 --NyaChan 01:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding the HGSS gen3/4 Entries ==

Figured I'd toss the raw Japanese in for the pokemon I have (anyone who can translate, go ahead), and spotted a few Gen3 Pokémon have the same dex entry for HG and SS. Dunno if that's the case for them all, but it's looking to be true. Can't prove all of them just yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're all identical between versions. So yeah, if there's a dex entry for one, it's likely it's the same for the other version too. Just thought I'd point it out. Also, if anyone can translate the dex entries, please do, my Japanese isn't really good enough to figure it all out yet. ^^;;> --NyaChan 04:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Going through and translating what you have now. :D I did notice that some of them had identical entries for both versions, but since I'm only playing HG at the moment I can't prove first-hand that it's the same throughout. Probably is, but best to go with what is known 100%. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 04:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl events ==

Should information about the events that a playable Pokémon character is in be included? Such as "The player plays as {{p|Lucario}} in "The Aura is With Me" if the player plays as that Pokémon or "The player plays against a {{pkmn2|giant}} {{p|Charizard}} in {{tt|X event|I don't remember which it is}}. If this should be put, should the {{tt|other characters that are in that event|which will say in Charizard's case: The player plays as R.O.B against a giant Charizard along with a giant Bowser and a giant Donkey Kong}} be included as well? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:Also, if {{tt|this|the above statement}} is okay, should different articles be created for the playable characters of the Pokémon series (with the exception of the Pokémon trainer)? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
::Anybody? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==Somebody do something!==
I was poking around and on some of the Generation 1 Pokémon (Don't know if it's just them)and on the list that shows which move it learns at what level, some of them are missing the link to the Gen. 1 list. If you click on Gen. 2 you can find it there, so the page exists, but it's not linked. I don't know how those templates work, so could someone look through and fix them? (or tell me how to do it, I like being helpful =D) Thanks! [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Joining,! ==

Guys, I Had been reading this Bulbapedia from june 2009. I Still Havent Read All Articles so i joined this wiki a week ago to help here. my information might be late as i live in india...(ASIA)

== Male and female sprites ==
Hi there, I have a suggestion! ^^ With some Pokémon, the male and female sprites differ and both of them are shown in the table of sprites. However, wouldn't it make a little more sense to actually label which one is which? I originally thought there was a mistake on one of the pages because the male/female sprites looked so similar I thought they'd been uploaded twice. It would make it easier for n00bs like me to tell the difference XD [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 10:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:The male one is on the top, the female one is on the bottom. We are looking at upgrading that template, so we'll look at addressing the issue more permanently then. Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

2010-05-16T16:03:50Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? */

==Archives==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)

== About external links and fan shrines... ==

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all.
--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.
:Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a ''lot'' of work into it as well.

::The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably ''one of'' the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

::So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

::Would that still be okay?--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Biology ==

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of {{p|Typhlosion}}'s article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:... how in the world did we miss that? D: --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar==
In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)]] or in the Location section like [[Venonat (Pokémon)]]. Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] || [[Pokéradar]] || [[Route 201]]
|}
:Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

{{Availability|
type=ice |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|216}} and {{rtn|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
}}

That's what {{p|Snorunt}} has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the [[Meowth]] page.

:Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on {{p|Meowth}}, [[Meowth]] is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{template|p}} template. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?[[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::::All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "[[Trophy Garden]] ([[Poké Radar]])" in the dparea thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::The Trophy Garden Pokémon '''don't''' need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Tiers==
Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the [[list of tiers]] page.
:Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...
:::I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?[[User:Blink|Blink]] 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
← 
Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if '''''everyone''''' knows this to be true. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.
:Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about.
Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

[[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur|So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur]]. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah... unless I get some help... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. [[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur/Future|Check it out]]. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)'''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::So when can we get started on changing them? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Body shape ==

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone got any ideas for this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:::How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But who'll say which is which? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Alternate Coloration ==

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as [[Red Gyarados]], stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.
:::I dunno, but that's my guess. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== pronunciation ==

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre
He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger.
How do i participate in Project Pokédex.
Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

== R/S sprites ==

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:All sprites means ''all'' of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Shadow ==

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

:Probaly under Game Info..... [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

===Shadow (name)===
In (Colo/XD) a [[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]] (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Size and Weight ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-])
what do you think?
[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:That information is in the infobox of every article... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Joining ==

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this project[[User:Darth Cookie Monster]] 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Held items ==

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. [[User:Dlt4|Don]] 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. [[User:Baynium|Baynium]] 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number redirecting ==

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help! ==

How do I join Project Pokédex?[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225
:Simply add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

== Generation 4 Smogon links ==

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhen_Lin&diff=prev&oldid=270480#BulbaBot_request] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== About the sprites and trivia ==

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? ==

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

: Your point? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

::Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Species]] is something very different. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Forgot about this.
:::'''Bulbasaur (species)''' is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. '''Bulbasaur (species)''' can only logically refer to one thing, while '''the Pokémon Bulbasaur''' can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the [[Pokémon species]] Bulbasaur. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Sorry for digging up old conversations, but I wonder if we need "(Pokémon)" at all. We don't use "[[Professor Oak (person)]]" or "[[Potion (item)]]", even though these titles would otherwise be ambiguous. "Professor Oak" could, for instance, refer to the card. In these cases, it's clear that the character of Professor Oak is a "base" from which the cards are inspired--the title's enough for us to know what the article's talking about.
:::It's a little harder with Pokémon because there's only one "Professor Oak" and many "Butterfree". How do we know the article discusses the species and not any individual members? But I don't see how "(Pokémon)" clears that up. As Raijinili said, Ash's Butterfree is still a Pokémon. Maybe "(species)" is a bit better, since Ash's Butterfree is definitely not a species, but in the games "species" means the title in the Pokédex, like "Seed" or "Tiny Bird", so we'd be introducing more confusion.
:::I suggest removing it entirely. The plain title "[[Butterfree]]" does no worse at distinguishing the species from its members than "[[Butterfree (Pokémon)]]" and it looks much better. The only way in which it's inferior is you don't know if it's about the species or the cards. But if that distinction matters so much, we need to overhaul many other article titles: "[[Professor Oak (person)]]", "[[Potion (item)]]", or even "[[Misty's Starmie (Pokémon)]]". What an eyesore that would be. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 16:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Admission ==

Am I allowed to join? [[User:Mr.Lucario|Mr.Lucario]] 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone is. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon ==

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

i have a friend who has apparently caught Jirachi within Emerald without trading or cheating. I know other users probably know how to do this, but we need to tell how on the page for Jirachi. if nobody else can figure it out, i'll find out how she did it and post it. --[[User:Hac0013|Hac0013]] 00:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:
*All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
*All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
*We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
*Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
*We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
*We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
*As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
*We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.
::So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::We're also missing a lot of {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Unown}} sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::For example, we have normal and shiny front and back ''A'' 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny ''U'''s for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct ''Y'' in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all ''A'' 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for ''F''? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== I've never talked on the discussion board before, but... ==

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill
Azumarill
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Ninetales
Pichu
Raichu
Golduck
Rhyhorn
Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another sprite suggestion, ==

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== A Question I feel is important about Learnsets ==

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. {{unsigned|Aburnett}}
:Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Headers ==

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I did it myself. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== An idea ==

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

Currently, we do it like this:

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::How is it trivia? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''Trivia'' usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.
:::::For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games ''and'' watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== GenI/II menusprites ==

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== "In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves" ==

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) 
Bump. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:14 12/11/2008
:Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading card '''''game''''']] that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.
::And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokédex Entries ==

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? {{u|WatcherMark}}
:We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Theryguy512/Anime Dex Project|Here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Sprites ==

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]
:It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]

== Battle Frontier Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:They are the only moves that [[Clamperl (Pokémon)#By leveling up|Clamperl]] can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== See Also ==

How about adding a 'See Aslo' tittle to the bottom of every Pokémon's page and in that tittle you can put the evolutions of that Pokémon, it obviously doesn't need to be added to a Pokémon's page if the Pokémon only has one evolution. So what does everyone think?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 07:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:But each Pokémon's evolutions are already shown in the Evolution subsection on each page. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, sorry I didn't realize.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can I join? ==

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS...]] 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Does this {{tt|"silence"|Can't you just hear that echo?}} mean I can join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::With that out of the way, hello, {{tt|new project|My 3rd project... wow!}}!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Background... ==

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this:
<nowiki>
{| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__</nowiki> 
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can i join? ==

Can i join the Project Pokédex?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructions[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? [[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Formes ==

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for {{tt|future forms|which, at the rate GameFreak's going, there will be a lot of soon}}. {{tt|I|or we}} could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down{{tt|,|which may be useful in the event that TTE, you, and I all die in some freak accident the day before Gen V comes out}} put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== HI! ==

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, all right then. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Global PokedeX Plus ==

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. [[User:Puppo530|Puppo530]] 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (Easter Buneary)
::while they frown upon "eggdexii" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.
::Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a table [[Hiker|some trainer classes]], look there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at {{p|Mew}}'s page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their [[party]], {{p|Pikachu}} is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel + ==

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category..
But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually?
Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon pictures ==

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Am I the only one to notice this? ==

In Platinum, '''MANY''' Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)
:Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented [[Player character|here]] (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)
::::While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this is okay...? ==

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[[User:Umeko|Umeko]]
:Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Arceus}}. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

:::::Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

:::::So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

:I guess I'll help out on this front as well. I have SoulSilver so I can fill in with the Japanese. My translation skills are near non-existent (It's getting better. ._<;), so I can just provide the raw Japanese. I can try my best to translate, but I'll only do it for those that I'm completely sure on. So yeah, if you don't mind translating them, I can put in any of the the raw Japanese pokedex entries I have for SoulSilver. :3 --NyaChan 01:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding the HGSS gen3/4 Entries ==

Figured I'd toss the raw Japanese in for the pokemon I have (anyone who can translate, go ahead), and spotted a few Gen3 Pokémon have the same dex entry for HG and SS. Dunno if that's the case for them all, but it's looking to be true. Can't prove all of them just yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're all identical between versions. So yeah, if there's a dex entry for one, it's likely it's the same for the other version too. Just thought I'd point it out. Also, if anyone can translate the dex entries, please do, my Japanese isn't really good enough to figure it all out yet. ^^;;> --NyaChan 04:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Going through and translating what you have now. :D I did notice that some of them had identical entries for both versions, but since I'm only playing HG at the moment I can't prove first-hand that it's the same throughout. Probably is, but best to go with what is known 100%. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 04:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl events ==

Should information about the events that a playable Pokémon character is in be included? Such as "The player plays as {{p|Lucario}} in "The Aura is With Me" if the player plays as that Pokémon or "The player plays against a {{pkmn2|giant}} {{p|Charizard}} in {{tt|X event|I don't remember which it is}}. If this should be put, should the {{tt|other characters that are in that event|which will say in Charizard's case: The player plays as R.O.B against a giant Charizard along with a giant Bowser and a giant Donkey Kong}} be included as well? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:Also, if {{tt|this|the above statement}} is okay, should different articles be created for the playable characters of the Pokémon series (with the exception of the Pokémon trainer)? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
::Anybody? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==Somebody do something!==
I was poking around and on some of the Generation 1 Pokémon (Don't know if it's just them)and on the list that shows which move it learns at what level, some of them are missing the link to the Gen. 1 list. If you click on Gen. 2 you can find it there, so the page exists, but it's not linked. I don't know how those templates work, so could someone look through and fix them? (or tell me how to do it, I like being helpful =D) Thanks! [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Joining,! ==

Guys, I Had been reading this Bulbapedia from june 2009. I Still Havent Read All Articles so i joined this wiki a week ago to help here. my information might be late as i live in india...(ASIA)

== Male and female sprites ==
Hi there, I have a suggestion! ^^ With some Pokémon, the male and female sprites differ and both of them are shown in the table of sprites. However, wouldn't it make a little more sense to actually label which one is which? I originally thought there was a mistake on one of the pages because the male/female sprites looked so similar I thought they'd been uploaded twice. It would make it easier for n00bs like me to tell the difference XD [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 10:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:The male one is on the top, the female one is on the bottom. We are looking at upgrading that template, so we'll look at addressing the issue more permanently then. Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Signature move

2010-05-05T15:44:47Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Other signature move examples */ I'm not sure this whole section belongs, though...

'''Signature moves''' are [[move]]s that can only be learned by a single [[Pokémon]] or a very small select group of Pokémon by level-up (with the exception of Pikachu's {{m|Volt Tackle}}), usually in the same evolutionary line. Note that any of the moves included in this classification (except for {{m|Chatter}}) can be learned by {{P|Smeargle}} by use of {{M|Sketch}}, making Sketch and Chatter the only moves that are truly exclusive to one Pokémon legitimately. Also, some of these moves can be passed down via {{pkmn|breeding}} to other Pokémon.

==List of Pokémon and their signature moves==
Note: All levels listed are the level the Pokémon will learn the move as of [[Generation IV]].

{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]]
! Icon
! Name
! Move
! Level
|-
| 015
| {{MS|015|Beedrill}}
| {{P|Beedrill}}
| {{M|Twineedle}}
| Lv. 20
|-
| 016
| {{MS|016|Pidgey}}
| {{P|Pidgey}}
| {{M|FeatherDance}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Gust}}{{tt|*|Prior to Pokémon Yellow Version}}
| Lv. 31
|-
| 017
| {{MS|017|Pidgeotto}}
| {{P|Pidgeotto}}
| {{M|FeatherDance}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Gust}}{{tt|*|Prior to Pokémon Yellow Version}}
| Lv. 34
|-
| 018
| {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}
| {{P|Pidgeot}}
| {{M|FeatherDance}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Gust}}{{tt|*|Prior to Pokémon Yellow Version}}
| Lv. 34
|-
| 019
| {{MS|019|Rattata}}
| {{P|Rattata}}
| {{M|Hyper Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Super Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 16 Lv. 28
|-
| 020
| {{MS|020|Raticate}}
| {{P|Raticate}}
| {{M|Hyper Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}} {{M|Super Fang}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 16 Lv. 34
|-
| 023
| {{MS|023|Ekans}}
| {{P|Ekans}}
| {{M|Glare}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 12
|-
| 024
| {{MS|024|Arbok}}
| {{P|Arbok}}
| {{M|Glare}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 12
|-
| 043
| {{MS|043|Oddish}}
| {{p|Oddish}}
| {{m|Petal Dance}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 33
|-
| 044
| {{MS|044|Gloom}}
| {{p|Gloom}}
| {{m|Petal Dance}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 38
|-
| 046
| {{MS|046|Paras}}
| {{P|Paras}}
| {{M|Spore}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 17
|-
| 047
| {{MS|047|Parasect}}
| {{P|Parasect}}
| {{M|Spore}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 17
|-
| 052
| {{MS|052|Meowth}}
| {{P|Meowth}}
| {{M|Pay Day}}
| Lv. 30
|-
| 059
| {{MS|059|Arcanine}}
| {{P|Arcanine}}
| {{M|ExtremeSpeed}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 064
| {{MS|064|Kadabra}}
| {{P|Kadabra}}
| {{M|Kinesis}}
| Start
|-
| 065
| {{MS|065|Alakazam}}
| {{P|Alakazam}}
| {{M|Kinesis}}
| Start
|-
| 090
| {{MS|090|Shellder}}
| {{p|Shellder}}
| {{m|Icicle Spear}}
| Lv. 13
|-

| 092
| {{MS|092|Gastly}}
| {{p|Gastly}}
| {{m|Night Shade}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 15
|-
| 093
| {{MS|093|Haunter}}
| {{p|Haunter}}
| {{m|Night Shade}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 15
|-
| 094
| {{MS|094|Gengar}}
| {{p|Gengar}}
| {{m|Night Shade}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 15
|-
|098
| {{MS|098|Krabby}}
| {{p|Krabby}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 41
|-
| 097
| {{MS|099|Kingler}}
| {{p|Kingler}}
| {{m|Crabhammer}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 56
|-
| 102
| {{MS|102|Exeggcute}}
| {{P|Exeggcute}}
| {{M|Barrage}}
| Start
|-
| 103
| {{MS|103|Exeggutor}}
| {{P|Exeggutor}}
| {{M|Barrage}}
| Start Lv. 27
|-
| 104
| {{MS|104|Cubone}}
| {{P|Cubone}}
| {{M|Bone Club}} {{m|Bonemerang}} {{m|Bone Rush}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 7 Lv. 21 Lv. 37
|-
| 105
| {{MS|105|Marowak}}
| {{P|Marowak}}
| {{M|Bone Club}} {{m|Bonemerang}} {{m|Bone Rush}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 7 Lv. 21 Lv. 43
|-
| 106
| {{MS|106|Hitmonlee}}
| {{P|Hitmonlee}}
| {{M|Jump Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}} {{m|Hi Jump Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}} {{m|Rolling Kick}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 13 Lv. 29 Lv. 9
|-
| 113
| {{MS|113|Chansey}}
| {{P|Chansey}}
| {{M|Softboiled}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 12 Lv. 38
|-
| 242
| {{MS|242|Blissey}}
| {{P|Blissey}}
| {{M|Softboiled}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 12 Lv. 38
|-
| 115
| {{MS|115|Kangaskhan}}
| {{P|Kangaskhan}}
| {{M|Dizzy Punch}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 25
|-
| 118
| {{MS|118|Goldeen}}
| {{P|Goldeen}}
| {{M|Waterfall}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 37
|-
| 119
| {{MS|119|Seaking}}
| {{P|Seaking}}
| {{M|Waterfall}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 120
| {{MS|120|Staryu}}
| {{P|Staryu}}
| {{M|Camouflage}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 19
|-
| 124
| {{MS|124|Jynx}}
| {{P|Jynx}}
| {{M|Lovely Kiss}}
| Start
|-
| 129
| {{MS|129|Magikarp}}
| {{P|Magikarp}}
| {{M|Splash}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation II}}
| Start
|-
| 137
| {{MS|137|Porygon}}
| {{P|Porygon}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}} {{M|Sharpen}}
| Start Start Start
|-
| 233
| {{MS|233|Porygon2}}
| {{P|Porygon2}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}}
| Start Start
|-
| 474
| {{MS|474|Porygon-Z}}
| {{P|Porygon-Z}}
| {{M|Conversion}} {{M|Conversion 2}}
| Start Start
|-
| 167
| {{MS|167|Spinarak}}
| {{P|Spinarak}}
| {{M|Spider Web}}
| Lv. 29
|-
| 168
| {{MS|168|Ariados}}
| {{P|Ariados}}
| {{M|Spider Web}}
| Lv. 32
|-
| 172
| {{MS|172|Pichu}}
| {{p|Pichu}}
| {{m|Volt Tackle}}
| [[Egg move]]
|-
| 196
| {{MS|196|Espeon}}
| {{p|Espeon}}
| {{M|Morning Sun}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 52
|-
| 200
| {{MS|200|Misdreavus}}
| {{P|Misdreavus}}
| {{M|Pain Split}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 28
|-
| 214
| {{MS|214|Heracross}}
| {{P|Heracross}}
| {{M|Megahorn}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation III}}
| Lv. 55
|-
| 215
| {{MS|215|Sneasel}}
| {{P|Sneasel}}
| {{M|Beat Up}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generarion IV}}
| Lv. 38 {{tt|*|Generation IV only}}
|-
| 224
| {{MS|224|Octillery}}
| {{P|Octillery}}
| {{M|Octazooka}}
| Lv. 25
|-
| 225
| {{MS|225|Delibird}}
| {{P|Delibird}}
| {{M|Present}}
| Start
|-
| 235
| {{MS|235|Smeargle}}
| {{P|Smeargle}}
| {{M|Sketch}}
| Start Lv. 11 Lv. 21 Lv. 31 Lv. 41 Lv. 51 Lv. 61 Lv. 71 Lv. 81 Lv. 91
|-
| 237
| {{MS|237|Hitmontop}}
| {{P|Hitmontop}}
| {{M|Triple Kick}}
| Lv. 19
|-
| 241
| {{MS|241|Miltank}}
| {{P|Miltank}}
| {{M|Milk Drink}}
| Lv. 11
|-
| 249
| {{MS|249|Lugia}}
| {{p|Lugia}}
| {{m|Aeroblast}}
| Lv. 85
|-
| 250
| {{MS|250|Ho-Oh}}
| {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| {{m|Sacred Fire}}
| Lv. 85
|-
| 253
| {{MS|253|Grovyle}}
| {{P|Grovyle}}
| {{M|Leaf Blade}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 29
|-
| 254
| {{MS|254|Sceptile}}
| {{P|Sceptile}}
| {{M|Leaf Blade}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 29
|-
| 257
| {{MS|257|Blaziken}}
| {{P|Blaziken}}
| {{M|Blaze Kick}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generarion IV}}
| Lv. 36
|-
| 259
| {{MS|259|Marshtomp}}
| {{P|Marshtomp}}
| {{M|Muddy Water}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 37
|-
| 260
| {{MS|260|Swampert}}
| {{P|Swampert}}
| {{M|Muddy Water}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 39
|-
| 274
| {{MS|274|Nuzleaf}}
| {{P|Nuzleaf}}
| {{M|Extrasensory}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 49
|-
| 287
| {{MS|287|Slakoth}}
| {{P|Slakoth}}
| {{M|Slack Off}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 289
| {{MS|289|Slaking}}
| {{P|Slaking}}
| {{M|Slack Off}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Start
|-
| 296
| {{MS|296|Makuhita}}
| {{P|Makuhita}}
| {{M|Arm Thrust}} {{M|SmellingSalt}}
| Lv. 7 Lv. 22
|-
| 297
| {{MS|297|Hariyama}}
| {{P|Hariyama}}
| {{M|Arm Thrust}} {{M|SmellingSalt}}
| Lv. 7 Lv. 22
|-
| 300
| {{MS|300|Skitty}}
| {{P|Skitty}}
| {{M|Assist}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 19
|-
| 313
| {{MS|313|Volbeat}}
| {{p|Volbeat}}
| {{m|Tail Glow}} {{tt|*|Prior to Gen IV}} {{m|Signal Beam}}{{tt|*|Prior to Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen}}
| Lv. 21
|-
| 327
| {{MS|327|Spinda}}
| {{P|Spinda}}
| {{M|Teeter Dance}}
| Lv. 37
|-
| 331
| {{MS|331|Cacnea}}
| {{p|Cacnea}}
| {{m|Needle Arm}}
| Lv. 45
|-
| 332
| {{MS|332|Cacturne}}
| {{p|Cacturne}}
| {{m|Needle Arm}}
| Lv. 53
|-
| 335
| {{MS|335|Zangoose}}
| {{p|Zangoose}}
| {{m|Crush Claw}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 31
|-
| 336
| {{MS|336|Seviper}}
| {{p|Seviper}}
| {{m|Poison Tail}}
| Lv. 16
|-
| 351
| {{MS|351|Castform}}
| {{p|Castform}}
| {{m|Weather Ball}} {{tt|*|Prior to Generation IV}}
| Lv. 30
|-
| 363
| {{MS|363|Spheal}}
| {{P|Spheal}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 364
| {{MS|364|Sealeo}}
| {{P|Sealeo}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 365
| {{MS|365|Walrein}}
| {{P|Walrein}}
| {{M|Ice Ball}}
| Lv. 13
|-
| 380
| {{MS|380|Latias}}
| {{p|Latias}}
| {{m|Mist Ball}}
| Lv. 35
|-
| 381
| {{MS|381|Latios}}
| {{p|Latios}}
| {{m|Luster Purge}}
| Lv. 35
|-
| 385
| {{MS|385|Jirachi}}
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| {{m|Doom Desire}}
| Lv. 70
|-
| 386
| {{MS|386|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}}
| {{m|Psycho Boost}}
| Lv. 45
|-
| 416
| {{MS|416|Vespiquen}}
| {{P|Vespiquen}}
| {{m|Defend Order}} {{M|Heal Order}} {{M|Attack Order}}
| Lv. 13 Lv. 25 Lv. 37
|-
| 441
| {{MS|441|Chatot}}
| {{p|Chatot}}
| {{m|Chatter}}
| Lv. 21
|-
| 464
| {{MS|464|Rhyperior}}
| {{P|Rhyperior}}
| {{M|Rock Wrecker}}
| Lv. 61
|-
| 483
| {{MS|483|Dialga}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
| {{m|Roar of Time}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 484
| {{MS|484|Palkia}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
| {{m|Spacial Rend}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 485
| {{MS|485|Heatran}}
| {{p|Heatran}}
| {{m|Magma Storm}}
| Lv. 96
|-
| 486
| {{MS|486|Regigigas}}
| {{p|Regigigas}}
| {{m|Crush Grip}}
| Lv. 75
|-
| 487
| {{MS|487|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}}
| {{m|Shadow Force}}
| Lv. 40
|-
| 488
| {{MS|488|Cresselia}}
| {{p|Cresselia}}
| {{m|Lunar Dance}}
| Lv. 84
|-
| 490
| {{MS|490|Manaphy}}
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| {{m|Heart Swap}}
| Lv. 76
|-
| 491
| {{MS|491|Darkrai}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| {{m|Dark Void}}
| Lv. 66
|-
| 492
| {{MS|492|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}}
| {{m|Seed Flare}}
| Lv. 100
|-
| 493
| {{MS|493|Arceus}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
| {{m|Judgment}}
| Lv. 100
|}

==One-off signature moves==
This is a list of signature moves that at only one point, another Pokémon had the ability to acquire:

* A {{p|Dratini}} that knows '''{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}''' is obtainable in {{game|Crystal}}, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} after answering a quiz in the [[Dragon's Den]].
* An egg will be given by the daycare man in {{game|Crystal}} that hatches into a random baby Pokémon that knows '''{{m|Dizzy Punch}}'''.
* A {{p|Skitty}} with '''{{m|Pay Day}}''' can be obtained from a special {{Pkmn|egg}} after depositing 500 Pokémon in [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire]] from a Game Boy Advance game pak.
** Also, in Generation I, various other pokémon can learn '''{{m|Pay Day}}''' through the use of [[TM16]].
* In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, many Pokémon can learn '''{{m|Pain Split}}''' via Move Tutor.
* After [[Shadow Lugia|Lugia]] from [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]] has been purified, it learns '''{{m|Psycho Boost}}''' and '''{{m|FeatherDance}}'''.
* Similarly, after {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}} and {{p|Moltres}} from Pokémon XD have been purified, they all learn '''{{m|Extrasensory}}'''.
* A {{p|Darkrai}} with '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' and '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' was available as a special giveaway to commemorate the [[M10|10th movie]].
* An {{p|Arceus}} with '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''', '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' and '''{{m|Shadow Force}}''' was available as a special giveaway to commemorate the [[M12|12th movie]].

==Other signature move examples==
* Although other Pokémon are capable of learning '''{{m|Drill Peck}}''', {{p|Fearow}}, {{p|Dodrio}}, and {{p|Zapdos}} are shown to be the most common Pokémon to use it.
* The {{p|Squirtle}} evolution family and {{p|Sharpedo}} are the only Pokémon to learn '''{{m|Skull Bash}}''' by leveling up, but other Pokémon could learn it through [[TM40]] in [[Generation I]].
* Although '''{{m|Megahorn}}''' was no longer {{p|Heracross}}'s signature move since [[Generation III]], it is still the only {{type2|Bug}} Pokémon that can learn the move.
* {{p|Sudowoodo}} is the only Pokémon to learn '''{{m|Mimic}}''' by leveling up in [[Generation II]], but other Pokémon could learn it through [[TM31]] in [[Generation I]] and [[move tutor]] in [[Generation III]].
* {{p|Lucario}} is usually associated with '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}''' and '''{{m|Force Palm}}''', but eight Pokémon (including Lucario) can learn Aura Sphere in total. Seven Pokémon (including Lucario) can learn Force Palm. However, it should be noted that Lucario is the only Fighting-type Pokémon to learn Aura Sphere naturally.
* {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, and {{p|Blastoise}} have traditionally been associated with '''{{m|Flamethrower}}''', '''{{m|SolarBeam}}''', and '''{{m|Hydro Pump}}''', respectively since [[Generation I]], despite the fact that several other Pokémon can learn those moves. In [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]], it even refers to {{m|Flamethrower}} as {{p|Charizard}}'s signature move.
* Eight Pokémon can currently learn {{p|Arcanine}}'s former signature move, '''{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}'''.
* {{p|Goldeen}} and {{p|Seaking}} had '''{{m|Waterfall}}''' as their signature move in [[Generation I]], before it was changed to a [[HM]]. They are still the only ones to learn it by level up.
* In [[Generation]]s {{gen|II}} and {{gen|IV}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}} is the only Pokémon who can learn '''{{m|Mega Kick}}'''. However, in Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|III}}, others could learn it through [[TM]] and [[move tutor]] respectively.
** As for '''{{m|Jump Kick}}''', it was its signature move for the first three generations; however, it was discovered that {{p|Buneary}} and {{p|Lopunny}} can learn it in Generation IV.
* {{p|Jolteon}} and {{p|Vaporeon}}'s signature moves are said to be '''{{m|Pin Missile}}''' and '''{{m|Acid Armor}}''', respectively. Both abilities are alluded to in both Pokémon's various Pokédex entries. However, many Pokémon learn both moves by leveling up, and some through {{pkmn|breeding}}. Likewise, {{p|Umbreon}}'s '''{{m|Moonlight}}''' matches {{p|Espeon}}'s '''{{m|Morning Sun}}''', though others can learn it even in its introductory generation.
* {{p|Suicune}}, being known as the Aurora Pokémon, is associated with the move '''{{m|Aurora Beam}}'''.
* {{p|Ditto}} has '''{{m|Transform}}''' as its only move and is most associated with it; however, {{p|Mew}} is also able to learn it.
* {{P|Unown}} can learn only '''{{m|Hidden Power}}'''; however, almost every other Pokémon can learn it via [[TM10]] in [[Generation II]] and beyond.
* Each of {{p|Rotom}}'s forms has its own signature move that cannot be carried over to any of its other forms. However, none of these five moves are exclusive to it.
* Although several Pokémon can learn it by TM, until Generation III only {{p|Diglett}} and {{p|Dugtrio}} could learn '''{{m|Dig}}''' by level up.
* Until Generation III, {{p|Koffing}} and {{p|Weezing}} were the only Poison-type Pokémon capable of learning '''{{m|Smog}}'''. As of Generation IV, they are still the only Poison-types to learn the move naturally, and all other Poison-types must be bred the move to have it.
* Though many others can learn it through TM or breeding, {{p|Skarmory}} is the only Pokémon to learn '''{{m|Steel Wing}}''' by leveling up.
* {{p|Vigoroth}} is the only Pokémon to learn '''{{m|Focus Punch}}''' by leveling up. However, it also learns other Fighting-type moves by level-up, such as '''{{m|Reversal}}'''.
* {{p|Porygon-Z}} is the only Pokémon to learn '''{{m|Trick Room}}''' by leveling up.

[[Category:Fanon terminology]]
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Talk:Hyper Beam (move)

2010-05-05T15:42:45Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Defense Halved? */

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:Wow, the formatting is horrid. Any way to stack those?--BJG
::This is really the bst we can do at the moment with mass-learned moves, I believe. Any more specific problems with the page format? [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 10:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::I haven't been able to check how well the list boxes behave in IE - if they don't work as expected, what will result is a vertical stack of bordered boxes, which admittedly doesn't look very nice. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
::::I just checked what it looks like in IE, they display as a horizontal row of boxes, also Ho-oh is split into 3 lines, [http://uk.geocities.com/mt.cutler@btinternet.com/IE_HyperBeamArticle.jpg screenshot] - [[User:MTC|MTC]] 10:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer strikes again! Sigh. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:54, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
::::::Actually, a JavaScrip bot should probably be able to replace data such as class="listcol" and replace with some nicer stuff like style="bla".I could probably do that.It's not actually that hard. [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] 22:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::::The Ho-oh thing is to do with word-wrapping. (IE thinks a hyphen is a good place to wrap words, other browsers don't.) A Javascript solution is a bit extreme. All we need to do is to write alternate CSS for IE users. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:49, 10 May 2005 (UTC) [[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I was thinking a JavaScript that modidfied the contents of each page, as opposed to one directly inside the page. The thing is that JavaScript is good at sneaking this stuff in if run from a frame-based page. I wasn't thinking of integrated scripts. Also, what language is BulbaBot? [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] 20:59, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::No.Do not change the content. Especially do not change the class back into a style. It's easier to manage them that way. There are thousands of these list boxes on hundreds of pages, with a class you can have all of them behave the same way. FYI, BulbaBot is PHP. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah I say leave it for now;unless you want me to hyper beam you all into oblivion.[[User:Agent008]]
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Doesnt Ash's Kingler use hyper beam when he's in his first pokemon league? --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 01:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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The line "It can be learned via TM by all fully-evolved Pokémon that can learn TMs" taken from this article is false. Girafarig is fully evolved yet is unable to learn either Hyper Beam or Giga Impact. There could be more Pokemon like this, but the quoted line definitely needs to be rewritten. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 22:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:...in which, Girafarig might NOT be fully evolved. Who knows. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::"...including Pokémon that were fully evolved at one point (such as Porygon or Seadra)." I didn't realize Porygon2, Porygon-Z and Kingdra existed! --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Welcome to GSC. :) [[User:Orange|Orange]] 03:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont get it. in the anime, all fully evolved pokemon can learn hyper beam and giga impact, but only sevral in the games. why/--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 16:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Movelearning data ==

Venonat and Kabuto could learn it from TM, then lost that ability in Gen2.

Dratini and Dragonair and Larvitar and Pupitar and Trapinch and Vibrava and Metang and Nuzleaf and Remoraid can learn Hyper Beam but not Giga Impact.

Stantler has Giga Impact but not Hyper Beam.

That's the report. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pic Overload ==

Anyone agree in reducing the number of pics for the page? We have more than 20 pics in there!! [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 06:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. We should get rid of the "charging up" images. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 15:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely, this and {{m|Shadow Ball}}(?)--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::There aren't nearly as many images on Shadow Ball, but charging up-style images aren't really needed at all. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 15:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Power?==
Is it true that Hyperbeam is the most powerful attack. It doesn't sound right to me, but if not, could somebody make a list of more powerful attacks?--[[User:Qim1|Qim1]] 20:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==Defense Halved?==
I don't recall ever hearing about defense being halved by this move in Generation I before I read it here, and from my experience I don't think it sounds right. That would make it actually stronger than SelfDestruct in this Generation. Could anyone verify this? [[User:Schreiber|Schreiber]] 22:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
: I'm also doubting that information... Where does this defense lowered thing come from? [[User:Neo_Qwerty|Neo QWERTY]] 18:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
: I found [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=39968 this thread] which seems to refute the idea of Hyper Beam halving defense. I'll do some testing on my own; I really doubt it halves defense, though. --[[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 15:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Lance ==
Should it be noted somewhere that it is the signature move of Lance? [[User:Don Lark Kiin|Don Lark Kiin]]
:No. Just because a certain trainer commonly uses a move does not mean that it is 'his signature move'. If you would like to know the correct usage of the term Signature move, please look [[signature move|here]] thank you. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Manual of style/Archive 1

2010-05-05T14:38:39Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Quick question */ new section

== Evolution Chain Standardisation ==

The references to how a Pokémon evolves and into what creature is unstandardised across every species article. I propose that we create a section for each species page with the evolutionary chains of that particular species. Such standardisation would make navigation simple, as well as a give a way to describe exactly how the Pokémon evolves in each case.

: The style used at the {{p|Beldum}} article series is the standard. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 21:02, 25 December 2005 (CST)

::And for forked evolutions (such as {{P|Poliwhirl}}) see the {{p|Clamperl}} family.[[User:User142|User142]] 00:11, 26 December 2005 (CST)

:::That's only for the two-way forks with two or three-stage chains. For Eevee, use vertical layout - Eevee on one row, the rest on the next row.

== Real people Japanese names==
What is the policy regarding names of Japanese real people?

There doesn't appear to be one, so I will show a proposal.

As we all know, in Japan the last name goes before the given name, BUT in the U.S. the names are usually switched.

So to reflect both naming orders, I would like to use this convention:

"Junichiro Koizumi (Japanese: 小泉純一郎, Koizumi Jun'ichirō, born January 8, 1942)"

Now, with historical figures, there is usually no need to repeat the Japanese order unless macrons are involved:
"Tokugawa Ieyasu (previously spelled Iyeyasu); 徳川家康"

Also I would like to have a page on here that explains Japanese naming conventions.

[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 12:35, 7 January 2006 (CST)

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Perhaps [[Misty's Togetic|Misty's Togepi]] and [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]] should be at the top of each episode's Pokémon list along with [[Ash's Pikachu]] and [[Meowth (Team Rocket)]], as they (have) appeared in every episode their trainers made an appearance in since their capture (with the exception of Togepi, which evolved and left). --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 00:27, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

:It's hard to say yes or no to these cases. Pokeani gives those two their own articles. The same argument could potentially apply to [[James's Chimecho]]. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:13, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

:I'd argue that they do deserve to be named simply on the basis that they are featured, and they all do play a significant role in the anime in general. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 08:03, 18 September 2005 (CDT)

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For things both in the games and in the anime, do we want something like what I've done for [[Bill|Bill's page]] to be the standard? If so, should we incorporate that setup into the Manual of style?

~Evan

== Individual Pokémon vs. Pokémon species? ==

That seems to be the best, if not most thorough, format.

I have another issue to bring up, though. Do you think it's important to define the difference between individual Pokémon and Pokémon species in the Manual of Style? For instance, EVs, IVs, and so on are characteristics of individual Pokémon, while base stats, types, and so on are characteristics of Pokémon species. If so, perhaps an article called "Pokémon specie" might be created, and links in articles referring to Pokémon species, not individual Pokémon, might lead to it. It could look like this:

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A Pokémon specie is a "kind" of [[Pokémon]], such as {{p|Bulbasaur}} or {{p|Zubat}}. Pokémon of certain species can change into some other species by [[evolution|evolving]], such as a Bulbasaur evolving into an {{p|Ivysaur}}.

Oftentimes, a specie's name can refer to an individual Pokémon of that species instead. For instance, "Bulbasaur is a Grass-type" refers to the Bulbasaur specie, but "Bulbasaur uses Vine Whip" refers to a single Bulbasaur. In the [[National Dex|National ID]] system, they are numbered from 1 to 151.

Initially when the [[Pokémon Red|Red]], [[Pokémon Green|Green]] (in Japan only), [[Pokémon Blue|Blue]], and [[Pokémon Yellow|Yellow]] versions were released, there were 151 Pokémon species.

When the [[Pokémon Gold|Gold]], [[Pokémon Silver|Silver]], and [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] versions were released, 100 more species were added, making a total of 251.

When the [[Advanced Generation]] games were released, 135 more species were added, making a total of 386.

Currently, two species from the fourth generation have been officially revealed to the public, {{p|Munchlax}} and {{p|Lucario}} (Japanese name).

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It might also be useful to disambiguate this in the [[Pokémon]] article, talking about how the term "Pokémon" might refer to Pokémon species (Charmander is a Fire-type Pokémon), individual Pokémon (Pokémon which receive 4 Attack EVs have their Attack stat increase by 1), or the franchise (Pokémon was first conceptualized by Satoshi Tajiri).

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== Pokémon anime characters articles standarization ==
We've got two styles for articles in [[:Category:Anime characters (Pokémon)]] to refer back to the main article of the Pokémon in general. One's found on [[Ash's Pikachu]], [[Meowth (Team Rocket)]], and [[Jigglypuff (anime)]], where it has on the top an "Unnamedpokemon" template pointing the main Pokémon's article to people right off the bat. The other's on pages like [[Brock's Bonsly]], [[Ash's Butterfree]], and [[Mewtwo (anime)]], where it mentions the main Pokémon's article down at the bottom in the "Related articles" section.

They both have their advantages - I mean, the first one makes it very easy for someone to find the article on the Pokémon's species since it's right there at the top rather than way down at the bottom, while on the other hand the second is better adapted to Pokémon which have evolved, as on the article for Ash's Butterfree.

It's bothering me that both styles exist - can we standardize them? Which style is better? Should we make alternate Unnamedpokemon templates for Pokémon with multiple stages, and switch all the Pokémon anime characters articles to it? Or should we ditch the Unnamedpokemon template completely, and change all the articles which use it to having the "Related articles" reference? Or should we go for some third style that trumps the other two completely?

Personally, I'm more in favor of the Unnamedpokemon template - it looks better to me, and the only problem with it could be fixed pretty easily, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 22:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The style used in {{template|Unnamedpokemon}} is more suitable when a user may have arrived at that article by mistake (via redirect, for example, or by lack of a disambiguation page). Such a thing should be present, for example, on [[Battle Frontier]] and not [[Battle Frontier (song)]]. But that doesn't seem likely here, not since we abandoned the idea of redirecting [[Pikachu]] to [[Ash's Pikachu]]. The related articles style seems better. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:Ah, all right, then. ^^o --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 05:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

== British vs. American spelling? ==

I don't know where to ask this, so I'll just ask it here.
Which English spelling does Bulbapedia prefer? I have found some pages that use British spelling (ex: colour, defence), while others use American spelling (ex: color, defense). I'm American, so I'm more accustomed to the the latter.
Does it matter at all, or should they just be left as is? -[[User:Ringtails|Ringtails]] 04:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say leave the British/American spelling as-is, as in, don't edit an article just to change the spelling to the other one. Remember, though, both are correct, so we should have a redirect from [[Alternate colour]] if we don't already... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Standardise article titles on American spelling, and have consistency within an article. As he says though, don't edit an article just to change the spelling from one to another. (It can lead to revert wars.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::In the cases where something is spelt the same in American and British versions (which I think is all cases where something is written down) then we should use that spelling. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Last time I checked the games and the anime are translated in the United States. So I personally think American English should be used. True that most English-speaking countries use British English officially (I know that not all countries besides US do that) but most English-language countries use the American translation of the anime, and as far as I know, the games are officially translated in the United States. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since [[Pokémon Center]] isn't very often referred to as [[Pokémon centre]] I have a feeling most English-speaking countries use the American translations. I also think so because the games/anime use feet/miles. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 13:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::If you're talking about the colour of a Zigzagoon for example I don't think it really matters where the game is made. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Do you guys in the rest of the world have the American English versions of the game? I'd imagine it to be completely ridiculous to go through the entire game script changing every appearance of "color" to "colour" and stuff... Is it Special Defence over there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Agreed it is ridiculous, which is also why I think the American spelling is used when released elsewhere. As far as I know it's officially translated into English in the United States. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Correct, we do use American spelling. Not that there are all that many words that you can see the difference. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 02:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::{{a|Color Change}}, {{a|Colour Change}}. id think Defense/Defence would be the biggest. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokedex style ==

Was goin through pokedex info and revising today when I realized, The European version probably differs from the American version. Not only that, but the Height, Weight and Species information have had some inconsistencies with the game I am going by. (Pokemon Pearl, Us Version). Who's to say which is the correct version? I suggest two pokedex catagories, US and UK. What is your view on this? --[[User:Dekubobo|Dekubobo]] 14:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:I don't understand. Why would there be a difference? And D/P won't be released in Europe for another two months so how can it affect things now?
:On a more helpful note, I am planning to get a European copy so I'll be able to help compare the versions at the time. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::Believe me, we've missed a lot when it comes to updating each Pokémon's page-- and with 493, who wouldn't? I still find Pokémon with their Sinnoh Dex number listed as "?", so I'd not doubt that some of the DP dex entries are translated from the Japanese versions, and the same for the species.
::I don't see why, either, there'd be a difference in the dex entries between Europe and the US, unless it's the German translation or something. The UK version, I'm betting, will be exactly the same as the US version, though maybe instead it'll use meters and kilograms instead of feet/inches and pounds. Don't see much else to change, though... Not with any reason, at least. English is English. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== Gyms and Badges ==
I just wondered how we should go about these, once and for all:
* [[Gym]] or gym? Pokémon Gym or Pokémon gym? (consider Official Pokémon League-sanctioned Gym)
* [[Badge]] or badge? Gym Badge or Gym badge? Boulderbadge, Boulder Badge or Boulder badge? It seems to vary by generation, but it's strange to see Boulderbadge and then Coal Badge on the same page.

Badges are technically items (see Escape Rope) but what about individually? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Well, in RBYGSCRSEFRLG, they were typed as BOULDERBADGE, CASCADEBADGE, and so on. After all, you know how previously we had the move {{m|AncientPower}} as Ancientpower, because it was written in all caps so we didn't know the intended spelling... I'd say we oughta go with what DP says, including the instruction book.

:And it says... unless it's a specific badge, it's not capitalized. There are eight Pokémon League Badges: the Coal Badge, the Forest Badge, and so on. If you have a badge it proves you've defeated a Gym Leader. Pokémon Gym seems to be a different case. It's Leader or Gym Leader, Gym or Pokémon Gym.

:We might have to wait for a GS remake to be for sure about the old badges taking on the same style as the Sinnoh ones... but eh, it's a wiki, everything can be undone if that's the case. I'd personally say keep the separate, both capitalized rule for badge names, and do them ALL that way, since it's not only consistent, but very likely that that's what was meant originally.

:So. Recap: Gym over gym, Pokémon Gym over Pokémon gym, badge over Badge, unless it's a specific badge like the Boulder Badge, Zephyr Badge, Stone Badge, or Coal Badge, or named as an official Pokémon League Badge. That's my take on things, at least, I say it all depends if Pie and Argy agree, they're the Style Editors. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Also: to add something, [http://fromearth.net/LetsPlay/Pokemon%20Emerald/Update%209/roxxanne84um.png this proves] that the badges are at the very least named as XXXXX Badge in Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== New Move Template ==
[[User:Royalshow ten]] posted a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pound_%28move%29&oldid=173693#By_leveling_up new template for showing moves] at the [[Pound (move)|Pound]] article, as well as other move articles. Though they were reverted by a moderator, I personally think that these tables look better and are easier to navigate than the current large boxes that are there. Thoughts? [[User:Morgan695|Morgan695]] 05:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Color==
I could never figure out how the colors come out. like '''acd''' or '''FFFFFF'''. How do we know what the color is?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 22:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:The number is divided into three groups of two digits: the first represents red, the second green, the third blue. It functions on the principle of [[wikipedia:additive color|additive color]]. Furthermore, the numbers are in [[wikipedia:hexadecimal|hexadecimal]]; the maximum value of each of the three primary colours, FF, equals to 255 in decimal (our number system).

:Three digits is shorthand when the digits repeat themselves: if you have #FFCC99, you can write #FC9 instead. [[User:Laogeodritt|Laogeodritt]] 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well, I know you can find color-codes on Wikipedia pages like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown Brown] [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Or you could just nab a color on Photoshop or some program that lets you see the color hex code, and copy it down. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::OR YOU COULD GUESS. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 10:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

== Parenthesis mis-match ==

Since the page seems to be protected, I'd like to note a parenthesis mis-match in section '''Article titles''', second paragraph.

:''In cases where only a first name ([[Bill]]) exists, or where a character is known by a title, such as [[Professor Oak]]) more than their proper name, those should be used as the sole title of the page.''

should be

:''In cases where only a first name ([[Bill]]) exists, or where a character is known by a title (such as [[Professor Oak]]) more than their proper name, those should be used as the sole title of the page.''

'''[[User:Laogeodritt|Laogeodritt]]''' <nowiki>[ </nowiki>Talk [[User Talk:Laogeodritt|BP]] [[a:User Talk:Laogeodritt|ARC]] [[wp:User talk:Laogeodritt|WP]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laogeodritt|Contribs]]<nowiki> ]</nowiki> 23:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's already been fixed [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:...right before you said that. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 23:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Not exactly. check the Recent Changes page. this topic came first chronologically.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 23:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No, no, I was talking about Theryguy. He said it was fixed, however he said that right after it was. :p Even though the ''topic'' came first, it was corrected. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 00:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Well, I told TTEchidna on AIM and then said it was fixed. Why does it matter? [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 00:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:*shrugs* Whatever. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 00:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== [[Ash's Gligar]] ==
Can someone please add Ash's Gligar to the list? We also need Paul's Gliscor to be added......--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Done. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Voice actors? ==

Okay, this is getting insane. Yes, I know Pokémon's been translated and dubbed into nearly every world language... but we can't just keep adding the people who voice Ash in every single dub. That's making an entire paragraph to itself! From his page as it stands:

"His Japanese voice actress is 松本梨香 Rica Matsumoto, his English voice actresses are Veronica Taylor (4Kids Entertainment dub) and Sarah Natochenny (Pokémon USA/TAJ Productions dub), his Brazilian voice actor is Fábio Lucindo, his Italian voice actor is Davide Garbolino, and his Spanish voice actors are Adolfo Moreno (Spain) and Gabriel Ramos (Latin America). In the first dub of The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon he was voiced by Jamie Peacock."

Honestly? I think a reduction to just English and Japanese would be fine. It's great that we have the vocal talents of so many individuals in so many languages, but really, seriously, do we need to list them ''all''? We have the [[list of voice actors]], we could even link to that! Perhaps even expand the list to include other not-so-minor characters like Elite Four members and Gym Leaders. But on a character's page, spending an entire paragraph listing off every VA they've ever had in every language is just insane.

...speaking of which, the list of VAs needs to be reorganized. I say put those who voice in EP languages first, since they're far more likely to a: have an article over on ''their'' wiki so we don't have to just make a stub here, and b: I believe people would be more interested in seeing who does so in the languages of the wikis we affiliate with. The biggest problem I see is that it's huge table × huge table.

Anyway. THOUGHTS?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 18:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well we only have the huge voice paragraphs on major characters, such as Brock, Misty, Ash, Dawn, Gary, etc. Like look at (random pick) [[Egan]] for example. He has one sentence:

''His English voice actress is Amy Birnbaum and his Japanese voice actress is 柳沢三千代 Michiyo Yanagisawa.''

Many minor characters have only one sentence, the big pharagraphs are only for the main characters. I think we can live with them. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 19:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, still, it confuses the hell out of me when I have to go through three sentences to find who voiced character X in English because people don't wanna delete one "and" and write another, so they just put the VAs in between the English and Japanese ones. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm...well that's tru. I guess you're right. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree that we only need Japanese and English voice actors on the character's pages. Heck, some characters we don't even have the English VA, yet we have the Brazilian/Portuguese voice actors. Maybe to compensate, we could have a list of voice actors in other languages page (actually, we kind of [[List of voice actors|already do]]). --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 23:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Exactly. We just need to fix it up because the charting's not too good... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Arbok and Weezing... ==

Okay, we know that Wobby and Chimecho/Mime Jr. appear in every episode, but I remember the days in which Ekans/Arbok and Koffing/Weezing were the TR mascot Pokémon. Sure, they didn't pop out of their Balls, but at least one of them was used in literally every battle until somewhere around mid-Johto... Though if they get "mascot Pokémon" status, so should Piplup. What's everyone think? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Piplup has arguably been used as a mascot in general lately, to be sure. It and the other Sinnoh starters.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Obviously. But it's out of the ball nearly all the time, too... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== APER ==

And by that I mean the anime Pokémon evolution rule. It says "DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS". Well, I believe that this only applies to Pokémon, strictly for the season articles. Events from future episodes should still be listed, doesn't everyone think so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

: As long as the events are confirmed and not excessively spoiler-laden, why not? - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::And Pokémon ownership is not mentioned, of course. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== British and Australian English ==

I think British and Australian englidh titles should at least redirect to their American names. eg: [[Alternate Colouration]] redirects to [[Alternate Coloration]] I am Australian, and the way it currently is, i type in [[Alternate Colouration]] ad get nothing. Edit: Okay, that's been fixed now, but i think it should still be mentioned. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 00:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC))

== Brock's Happiny ==

[[Brock's Happiny]] isn't in the list... can someone add her to the list? [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 03:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

What list--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 03:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== HM moves ==

I think it should be in the manual that HM takes an "a" not an "an".
"A HM move"
"An HM move"
Does the latter not sound ridiculous?
Bulbapedia is littered with that the incorrect use.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 14:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, but it's not just in "HM." I'm a personal stickler for grammar, so I always seek stuff like that out and fix it, and it would be great for you to do the same. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 14:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::A HM? No one pronounces it "aych emm"? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:::That depends on whether one likes to pronounce as it would be written as "HM" or "Hidden Machine". I'd say that it should be "an HM"; if the article says "Hidden Machine", then use the "a" article. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 16:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Snow way out problem ==

Could someone please remove the exclamation point on Snow way out because with it the link isnt working. --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 16:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, I fixed the problem, but the exclamation point shouldn't be removed from the title, since it ''is'' part of the title. I moved the page accordingly. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== Dawn's Piplup ==

As much as I hate to say it, I think Piplup should now be always on the top of list. Considering I saw it's name in the credits of [[Message of the Wind]], along with the list of human main characters, Pikachu, and Meowth, in the recent episodes. What do you guys think? [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 13:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:It got its own ending. Editorial board, your say in this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
::At this point, as long as the series is considering it to be a main character, I'd say put it at the top. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 14:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Form vs Forme ==

Speaking of which, why are we using the latter version? Shouldn't we be using that which is more grammatically correct? I have no idea where "forme" came from, did someone mistranslate an official source and everyone latched on to that afterwards? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No, "Forme" is the official name for that, for example, Deoxys' forms in Pokémon.com Dex are written as "Normal Forme", "Speed Forme", "Defense Forme", "Attack Forme". I think they will use this for Shaymin and Giratina too --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 06:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

:"Forme" is completely wrong. Someone misinterpreted a Japanese source as being an official spelling. Anything spelling it as "forme" is wrong. This whole "forme" bull**** will simply blow over with no damage done. The new form of Giratina will be known as the "Origin Form" in America, and by then this whole "forme" argument will have been long since forgotten. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

At least for Deoxys is official... --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 04:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== I oppose ==

Lists of Pokémon in other articles: "Unless there is a specific reason to order them otherwise, lists of Pokémon should be sorted according to their National Dex number."

I oppose that. No wait, I '''strongly''' oppose that. You wanna know why? Well, say you disconnect {{p|Rhydon}} and {{p|Rhyperior}} from being next to each other. If you do that, people who don't know much about Pokémon may not know that Rhydon and Rhyperior are related. We don't want that, do we? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not gonna change. It's in National Dex order everywhere! Changing it would be the stupidest thing I have ever seen in my life, besides your antics. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 01:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::You think I'm stupid?! I never said anything to you! What the HELL?! --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I said that what you do is stupid. I didn't say you were stupid. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::How exactly are my actions stupid? I've added information about the {{game|Platinum}} [[move tutor]]s, and you think my edits are stupid? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Why no response?! --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Possibly because people live in different time zones, and he probably already went to bed. And, why should the one good thing you do justify all the bad things you do? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::When have I done any bad things? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::hmm... a quick look at my talk page, and other admins' talk pages, as well as various places on the archives shows what the bad things you have done: there are too many to list here, if you want to know them, look in the places specified. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

This is getting irrelevant to the purpose of this discussion. Let's get back to the purpose, okay? --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 01:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:Many lists allow for a specific reason. Abilities give that specific reason. What else do you wanna list by evofamily? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::Because by not putting Rhydon and Rhyperior next to each other, it might make some people unaware of the fact that they're related. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Who cares if someone doesn't think that they're related? If they really want to know, they can click on the link and go find out themselves--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 20:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Bulbapedia should be as descriptive as possible. Therefore, we don't wanna get people confused and have to make them look at a different page to rid the confusion. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sorting by ndex number is an easily-followed standard. Sorting by evolution family makes sense, yes, but there's no real "official" way to do it. I'd suspect it'd just cause confusion. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Actually, evofamily standard would just put the new evos/prevos by the first member of their family introduced, like in the [[list of Pokémon by evolution family]] I spent forever putting together way back when... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokémon links ==

Why should we link to redirects with anime Pokémon links? For example, if we wanted to talk about [[Ash's Grotle]] when it was a {{p|Turtwig}}, why should we link to [[Ash's Turtwig]] instead of Ash's Grotle? We could always do it like this:

<code><nowiki>[[Ash's Grotle|Turtwig]]</nowiki></code>

Or like this:

<code><nowiki>[[Ash's Grotle|Ash's Turtwig]]</nowiki></code>

See? We can say "Ash's Turtwig" and avoid a redirect link. So, why should we link to redirects with anime Pokémon? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 16:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:Bump. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Because when you hover over it then it displays what it becomes. Someone who only watched the end of Johto doesn't want to be looking through the article on EP265 and see Ash's Donphan in the tooltip. Plus, it's a pain to do and just adds more bytes to the page which can be solved with a redirect. If you guys would understand: REDIRECTS AREN'T EVIL in most instances, especially one created by a link template. Is Ash ever going to catch another Charmander? Signs point to no. We may rethink it if Tauros ever evolves, but I put the chance of that happening at about 1%. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks for clarifying this, though I think you got the image that both of us were against the current way it is done :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 00:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== -moz-border-radius ==

Should we add this to the part about tables, as it is now part of the standards?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:Hah, even though the entire manual is outdated and being remade. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

:(edit conflict) I think for general tables, we don't need to make a note; the rounded corners are mainly a standard in templates, which aren't created often enough to really need a style guide. We still use the normal table style for simple tables in articles, like on [[Nature]]. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

::I use Safari and I think that we should also add "-webkit-border-radius" as it is not biased against any other browser besides Firefox. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 00:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Bringing up Pandamonia's comment, [http://www.css3.info/preview/rounded-border/ this page should help] in finding borders.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 00:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Upgrade ahoy ==

Yeah we're finally getting around to breaking this iceberg up so the users can pick and choose which parts to read without being confronted by a wall of text. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon redirects ==

Should Pokémon redirects (like [[Remoraid]]) be changed to have TCG groups on them as have the redirect pages like [[Eevee]]? It would help when searching for a specific Pokémon's card. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

Does it matter if there is a redirect on the Manual of Style? It has a link to Bulbapedia Shortlinks, which redirects to Bulbapedia:List of link templates. --[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 15:32, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

==Dawn's Piplup==

Piplup needs to be removed from Dawn's section and put into the top section like Pikachu, Togepi, Mime Jr., etc are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 22:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Updated Party! ==

Hey admins, I think Ash's Gible, Monferno, Infernape, Grotle and Torterra should be added in the ''Ash's Pokémon'' just like others. Thank you. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 18:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Interlanguage Links ==

What is missing here is a section on interlanguage links. Is there any preferred order? Like, for example, alphabetically ordered by the language prefixes (de, es, fr, ja, pl, pt)?--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 12:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, alphabetical order is what happens. If they aren't in that order, Bulbabot ends up fixing them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Poké'''g'''ear==
In the section [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Nouns, capitalization, and specific terminology]], it tells users to use Poké'''G'''ear as the capitalization, when the correct form is Poké'''g'''ear. [[PokéNav]] could be used instead for a camelcase example. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

When quoting a line from the games, should I copy it letter for letter or should I reformat it to meet the style standards? Example: "Hey! You have POKéMON! Come on! Let's battle'em!" Should I remove the all-caps on "POKéMON"? This would, of course, apply to almost every proper noun quoted in the early RPGs ("TEAM ROCKET", "FISSURE", "CASCADEBADGE"). And should I render the last words as "battle'em" or "battle 'em" (with the space) or "battle'em [sic]"? Thanks for the help. [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 14:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Koffing (Pokémon)

2010-03-03T04:41:01Z

MaskedFalcon:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Lickitung | next=Weezing|type=poison|| prevnum=108| nextnum=110}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Koffing |
jname=ドガース |
tmname=Dogars |
image=109Koffing.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
pron=<sc>''cawf''-ing</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=109 |
oldjdex=114 |
jdex=115 |
hdex=108 |
fdex=089 |
adex=187 |
typen=1 |
type1=Poison |
type2= |
species=Poison Gas |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=2.2 |
weight-kg=1.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Indeterminate |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evde=1 |
expyield=114 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=190 |
body=01 |
pokefordex=koffing |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Koffing''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドガース''' ''Dogars'') is a {{type2|Poison}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Weezing}} starting at [[level]] 35.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Koffing is a round, purple [[Pokémon]] filled to the brim with toxic gases. Several crater-like protrusions on this Pokémon's body give it the resemblance of a naval mine. Koffing has a skull and cross-bones below its blissful face. Koffing has been considered to be related to {{p|Grimer}}, who is also a purple {{t|Poison}}-type Pokémon that associates with pollutants. Koffing may also be related to {{p|Drifloon}}, who is also a floating, round, purple, "X"-bearing Pokémon with a tendency to explode.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Koffing spews out poisonous gases whenever it gets upset. Koffing on the other hand exhales fresh, clean gases whenever it becomes happy or overjoyed. Although Koffing's gas is more commonly attributed as being poisonous, the gases may also cause coughs, sniffles, and teary eyes. Koffing has also been known to explode from over inflating its body. Koffing is also capable of launching {{t|Fire}} and {{t|Electric}}al attacks.

===Behavior===
If Koffing becomes agitated, it raises the toxicity of its internal gases and then jets them out from all over its body. Koffing is prone to overinflating its round body before it {{M|Selfdestruct|self-destructs}}. The higher the temperature, the more gas Koffing concocts.

Koffing is known to float in the air. This is because its body is filled with a gas that is slightly lighter than air. The gas is a combination of the vapors from fermenting trash and Koffing’s own poisonous fumes.
===Habitat===
[[Image:Urban.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Urban Pokémon|Urban Pokémon]]]]
Koffing are a very common sight around burned down buildings, abandoned buildings and power plants. Volcanoes also provide a suitable habitat for them. It is common in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], but seldom encountered in [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Koffing mainly eat rotten kitchen garbage.

==In the anime==
[[File:Koffing anime.png|right|thumb|Koffing in the anime]]
===Major Appearances===
====[[James's Weezing|James's Koffing]]====
Koffing first appeared in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]'' as [[James]]'s Pokémon. It evolved into {{p|Weezing}} during ''[[EP031|Dig Those Diglett]]''.

====Other====
[[Rico|A poacher]] had captured a bunch of Koffing in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego]]''.

===Minor Appearances===
A coordinator used a Koffing in ''[[AG174|New Plot, Odd Lot!]]''.

In ''[[DP050|Tag! We're It...!]]'', {{an|Dawn}} and [[Conway]] battled against a trainer who used a Koffing, alongside his partner who used a {{p|Scyther}}. The Koffing had several powerful attacks like {{m|Sludge Bomb}}, {{m|Thunderbolt}}, and {{m|Gyro Ball}}, but Conway's {{p|Slowking}} and [[Dawn's Piplup]] were able to defeat it.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Adventures===
Koffing is seen as one of [[Koga]]'s Pokémon. When Koga and {{adv|Blue}} are ambushed by [[Agatha]]'s {{p|Gengar}} in {{PAV|7}}, Koga uses Koffing's smoke to relay his tactical plan to Blue without Gengar noticing.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Koffing (TCG)}}
==Other apperances==
===[[Super Smash Bros.]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Koffing will initiate a {{m|Poison Gas}} attack which will pummel an opponent. Koffing did not return in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] and was replaced by its evolution, {{p|Weezing}}.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: Koffing is a member of [[Team Skull]], along with {{p|Zubat}} and the leader {{p|Skuntank}}. This same Koffing is also the boss of [[Beach Cave]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=poison
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Because it stores several kinds of toxic gases in its body, it is prone to {{m|Explosion|exploding}} without warning.
|yellowdex=In hot places, its internal gases could expand and explode without any warning. Be very careful!
|stadiumdex=A [[Pokémon]] that is like a thin-skinned balloon filled with a highly toxic gas. Known to occasionally explode.
|golddex=Its thin, flimsy body is filled with gases that cause constant sniffles, coughs and teary eyes.
|silverdex=The {{m|Poison Gas|poisonous gases}} it contains are a little bit lighter than air, keeping it slightly airborne.
|crystaldex=If one gets close enough to it when it expels {{m|Poison Gas|poisonous gas}}, the gas swirling inside it can be seen.
|stadium2dex=Its thin, flimsy body is filled with gases that cause constant sniffles, coughs and teary eyes.
|rubydex=If Koffing becomes agitated, it raises the toxicity of its internal gases and then jets them out from all over its body. This Pokémon may overinflate its round body, then {{m|Explosion|explode}}.
|sapphiredex=Koffing embodies {{m|toxic}} substances. It mixes the toxins with raw garbage to set off a chemical reaction that results in a terribly powerful {{m|Poison Gas}}. The higher the temperature, the more gas is concocted by this Pokémon.
|emeralddex=Getting up close to a Koffing will give you a chance to observe, through its thin skin, the toxic gases swirling inside. It blows up at the slightest stimulation.
|firereddex=Its thin, balloon-like body is inflated by horribly toxic gases. It reeks when it is nearby.
|leafgreendex=Because it stores several kinds of toxic gases in its body, it is prone to exploding without warning.
|diamonddex=Lighter-than-air gases in its body keep it aloft. The gases not only smell, they are also explosive.
|pearldex=Lighter-than-air gases in its body keep it aloft. The gases not only smell, they are also explosive.
|platinumdex=Lighter-than-air gases in its body keep it aloft. The gases not only smell, they are also explosive.
|heartgolddex=Its thin, flimsy body is filled with gases that cause constant sniffles, coughs and teary eyes.
|soulsilverdex=The poisonous gases it contains are a little bit lighter than air, keeping it slightly airborne.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Poison |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Common (Red) Rare (Blue) |
rbarea={{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} |
gsrarity=Many |
gsarea=[[Mahogany Town]], [[Brass Tower|Burned Tower]] |
crarity=Many |
carea=[[Mahogany Town]], [[Brass Tower|Burned Tower]] |
rsrarity=Common (Ruby) Rare (Sapphire) |
rsarea=[[Fiery Path]] |
erarity=Common |
earea=[[Fiery Path]] |
frlgrarity=Common (FireRed) Rare (LeafGreen)|
frlgarea={{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} |
dparea=[[Pokémon breeding|Breed]] {{p|Weezing}} |
ptrarity=Uncommon|
ptarea=[[Stark Mountain]]|
hgssrarity=Unknown|
hgssarea=[[Brass Tower|Burned Tower]] |
palarea=Mountain |
walkarea={{pw|Town Edge}}|
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=poison
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Cave|Cave]]
|channel=[[Mt. Snowfall|Ruins of Truth]]
|pinballrs=Volcano (Ruby Field)
|trozei=Phobosphere Endless Level 32 Forever Level 15 Mr. Who's Den
|md=[[Sky Tower]] (9F-16F) [[Wish Cave]] (71F-75F) [[Joyous Tower]] (65F-70F)
|ranger=[[Underground Waterways]]
|md2=[[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|ranger2=[[Chroma Ruins]]
|scramble=[[Eternal Tower]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Poison
|rby1=Berry|rby1type=Berries (Generation II)|rby=100|rby1image=no
|rse1=Smoke Ball|rse1type=In-battle effect item|rse1rar=5
|dppt1=Smoke Ball|dppt1type=In-battle effect item|dppt1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=40 |
Attack=65 |
Defense=95 |
SpAtk=60 |
SpDef=45 |
Special=60 |
Speed=35 |
type=Poison }}

====Pokéthlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Poison
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=poison|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
levitate=gen1|
newground=2|
gen1poison=yes|
oldgrass=½|
oldbug=2}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|poison|poison|4|1|Koffing}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Poison Gas|Poison|Status|—|55|40|Smart|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|35|95|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|6|Smog|Poison|Special|20|70|20|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|10|SmokeScreen|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|15|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|24|Sludge|Poison|Special|65|100|20|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|28|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|33|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|37|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|42|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|46|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|51|Memento|Dark|Status|—|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{movelist/note|3|poison}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Poison|Poison|4|1|Koffing}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM36]]|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM61]]|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM64]]|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM66]]|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM74]]|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM79]]|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{movelist/note|4|poison}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|poison|poison|4|1|Koffing}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}} {{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}} {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Gengar}} {{p|Spiritomb}}|Curse|???|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Weezing}} {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Gengar}} {{p|Wobbuffet}}|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Grudge|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}} {{p|Chimecho}}|Psywave|Psychic|Special|—|80|15|Smart|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Grimer}}, {{p|Muk}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}} {{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}} {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Gengar}} {{p|Spiritomb}}|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|3|poison}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|poison|poison|4|1|Koffing}}
{{mtentry4|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|poison}}

====[[TCG]]-only moves====
*{{m|Double-Edge}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=poison |
ndex=109 |
Pincatch=yes |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.9% |
area=Poison Swamp |
P1= Ooh, I'm feeling a little bloated with gas. Can I release some? |
P2= Oof... Half my health's frittered away... |
P3= I can't hold it anymore... Beware of leaking gases... |
PL= Yes! I'm leveling up! Do I stink any worse? |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Poison |
typeA= Poison |
fieldpower= 0 |
field= None |
loop=8 |
MinEXP=22 |
MaxEXP=32 |
browser= Koffing sprays poison mist to attack. It puffs up if a loop is drawn around it. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.4% |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Poison |
typeA2= Poison |
field2= Tackle |
field2power= 1 |
browser2= It attacks by scattering {{M|poison gas}}. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=109
|name1=Koffing
|type1-1=Poison
|evotype1=Level
|level1=35
|sprite2=110
|name2=Weezing
|type1-2=Poison}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=poison|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=109|
name=Koffing|
}}

==Trivia==
* Koffing is the mascot of [[Smogon]], [[Dogasu's Backpack]], [[Pokemopolis]], and [[Azure Heights]].
* Koffing and Weezing are the the only pure Poison-type Pokémon immune to {{type2|Ground}} attacks, due to their ability, {{a|Levitate}}.
* Koffing's original English name was going to be "Ny", representing New York City's polluted air.
* Koffing was depicted as having its skull-and-crossbones pattern being ''above'' its face in {{game|Red and Blue|s}} and the Japanese [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], rather than the pattern being ''under'' its face as portrayed in the original versions of {{game|Red and Green|s}} and later games. It is unknown if this was purposely done or if it was a sprite error (similar to the error of {{p|Raikou}}'s sprite in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}).
* According to a question of a Pokémon Exam the characters of the anime participated in, Koffing was supposedly first discovered in a public bathhouse. However, the {{TCG|Team Rocket}} expansion's {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Koffing|58}} card states that Koffing was first discovered in a weapons factory. This may be either because [[Jessie]] answered the question incorrectly, or due to an inconsistency between the TCG and anime.
* Despite Koffing's diet of rotten garbage, it is unable to learn {{m|Gunk Shot}}, which involves spewing garbage at the foe.

===Origin===
Considering its looks, its ability to float, and its tendency to explode, it may have been based upon a floating {{wp|naval mine}}.
====Name origin====
Koffing's name is a corruption of the word ''coughing''. Its Japanese name is a combination of 獰 ''dō'', meaning bad, or 毒 ''doku'', meaning poisonous, and ''{{wp|gas}}''. Its Japanese name also can come from the brazilian expression ''droga'', wich means something bad, rotten.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Smogon - Based on the loanword ''{{wp|Smog}}'', which has the same meaning in German.
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Smogo - Based on the English word ''{{wp|smog}}''.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 또가스 ''Ttogaseu''

==Related articles==
* [[James's Weezing|James's Koffing]]

==External links==

* [[wp:Koffing and Weezing|Article on Wikipedia]]

==Notes==
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Gym guide

2010-02-05T12:55:50Z

MaskedFalcon:

[[File:GymGuy.png|thumb|right|240px|[[Oreburgh Gym]]'s caretaker, as seen in {{v2|Platinum}}]]
The '''gym caretaker''' is a character in the [[main series]] [[Pokémon games]]. The title actually belongs to at least four characters, each corresponding to a different [[region]]. In each case, the caretaker is usually found at the front of a Pokémon [[Gym]], ready to offer tactical advice to novice {{pkmn|Trainer}}s. He can often be sarcastic in nature.

Some gyms are unique, in that their caretaker seemingly roams outside its walls. The [[Celadon Gym]] caretaker is not seen in his gym, and appears instead at the [[Rocket Game Corner]], where he plays the [[slot machine]]s. Similarly, the [[Cianwood Gym]] caretaker is found in the [[Cianwood City|city]]'s [[Pokémon Center]] instead of the gym. The [[Petalburg Gym]] caretaker will vanish after the {{player}} has defeated his or her [[Norman|father]], and, in [[Generation II]] only, the [[Cinnabar Gym]] caretaker will arrive after [[Blaine]] has been defeated.

No official name has been released for the gym caretaker. This has given rise to the fan-designated name "Jim Gai"—a pun on "gym guy".

==Quotes==
====Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow====
''"Hiya! I can tell you have what it takes to become a Pokémon champ! I'm no trainer, but I can tell you how to win! Let me take you to the top!"'' 
''"Just as I thought! You're Pokémon champ material!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Here's my advice! The Leader, Misty, is a pro who uses water Pokémon! You can drain all their water with plant Pokémon! Or, zap them with electricity!"'' 
''"You beat Misty! What'd I tell ya? You and me kid, we make a pretty darn good team!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Lt.Surge has a nickname. People refer to him as the Lightning American! He's an expert on electric Pokémon! Birds and water Pokémon are at risk! Beware of paralysis too! Lt.Surge is very cautious! You'll have to break a code to get to him!"'' 
''"Whew! That match was electric!"''
 

''"Hey! You have better things to do, champ in making! Celadon Gym's Leader is Erika! She uses grass-type Pokémon! She might appear docile, but don't be fooled!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Sabrina's Pokémon use psychic power instead of force! Fighting Pokémon are weak against psychic Pokémon! They get creamed before they can even aim a punch!"'' 
''"Psychic power, huh? If I had that, I'd make a bundle at the slots!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! The hot-headed Blaine is a fire Pokémon pro! Douse his spirits with water! You better take some Burn Heals!"'' 
''"[[player character|<player>]]! You beat that fire brand!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Even I don't know Viridian Leader's identity! This will be the toughest of all the Gym Leaders! I heard that the trainers here like ground-type Pokémon!"'' 
''"Blow me away! Giovanni was the Gym Leader here?"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! At POKéMON LEAGUE, you have to face the ELITE FOUR in succession. If you lose, you have to start all over again! This is it! Go for it!"''

====Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal====
''"Hey! I'm no trainer but I can give some advice! Believe me! If you believe, a championship dream can come true. You believe? Then listen. The grass-type is weak against the flying-type. Keep this in mind."'' 
''"Nice battle! Keep it up, and you'll be the champ in no time at all!"''
 

''"Yo, challenger! Bugsy's young, but his knowledge of bug Pokémon is for real. It's going to be tough without my advice. Let's see... Bug Pokémon don't like fire. Flying-type moves are super-effective too. Well done! That was a great clash of talented young trainers."'' 
''"With people like you, the future of Pokémon is bright!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! This Gym is home to normal-type Pokémon trainers. I recommend you use fighting-type Pokémon."'' 
''"You won? Great! I was busy admiring the ladies here."''
 

''"The trainers here have secret motives. If you win, they may tell you some deep secrets about Ecruteak."'' 
''"Whew, [[player character|<player>]]. You did great! I was cowering in the corner out of pure terror!"''
 

''"Jasmine, the Gym Leader, is at the Lighthouse. She's been tending to a sick Pokémon. A strong trainer has to be compassionate. Jasmine uses the newly discovered steel-type. I don't know very much about it."'' 
''"That was awesome. The steel-type, huh? That was a close encounter of an unknown kind!"''
 

''"Pryce is a veteran who has trained Pokémon for some 50 years. He's said to be good at freezing opponents with ice-type moves. That means you should melt him with your burning ambition!"'' 
''"Pryce is something, but you're something else! That was a hot battle that bridged the generation gap!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! It's been a long journey, but we are almost done! Count on me! Clair uses the mythical and sacred dragon-type Pokémon. You can't damage them very easily. But you know, they're supposed to be weak against ice-type moves."'' 
''"You were great to beat Clair! All that's left is the Pokémon League challenge. You're on the way to becoming the Pokémon Champion!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! You lucked out this time. Lt.Surge is very cautious. He has traps set all over the Gym. But--he-heh--the traps aren't active right now. You'll have no problem getting to Lt.Surge."'' 
''"Whew! That was an electrifying bout! It sure made me nervous."''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! A trainer as skilled as you doesn't need to be told how to deal with psychic-type Pokémon , right? I expect great things from you! Good luck!"'' 
''"That was another fantastic battle!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! Since Misty was away, I went out for some fun too. He-he-he."'' 
''"Hoo, you showed me how tough you are. As always, that was one heck of a great battle!"''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! Whoops! Take a good look around you. The trainers all look like the Leader, Janine. Which of them is the real Janine?"'' 
''"That was a great battle, trainer from Johto!"''
 

''"Yo! Champ in making! You're really rocking. Are you battling the Gym Leaders of Kanto? They're strong and dedicated people, just like Johto's Gym Leaders."'' 
''"Yo! Champ in making! That Gym didn't give you much trouble. The way you took charge was really inspiring. I mean that seriously."''
 

''"Yo! ... Huh? It's over already? Sorry, dude! Cinnabar Gym was gone, so I didn't know where to find you. But, hey, you're plenty strong even without my advice. I knew you'd win!"'' 
''"A Pokémon Gym can be anywhere as long as the Gym Leader is there. They're no need for a building."''
 

''"Yo, Champ in making! How's it going? Looks like you're on a roll. The Gym Leader is a guy who battled the Champion three years ago. He's no pushover. Give it everything you've got!"'' 
''"Man, you are truly tough... That was a heck of an inspirational battle. It brought tears to my eyes."''

==Trivia==
* All of the caretakers before [[Generation IV]] were known for saying, "Yo! Champ-in-the-making!"
* The character only appears in the games, having not so much as a cameo in the {{pkmn|anime}} or [[Pokémon Adventures|manga]].
* The Kanto Caretaker seems to be the same as the Johto Caretaker in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} as referenced in the Pewter Gym when the Caretaker there seems to recognize the character.

 
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| align="left" | {{Sinnoh NPCs}}
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User:MaskedFalcon

2009-03-06T02:49:17Z

MaskedFalcon: New page: Hi there. I haven't much to say. I'm a sporadically-active sysop at [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SmashWiki] and I tend to copy-edit and work in the back-end. I'm no ex...

Hi there. I haven't much to say. I'm a sporadically-active sysop at [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SmashWiki] and I tend to copy-edit and work in the back-end. I'm no expert about Pokémon, and I haven't even played 4th generation, but I know enough about the first three to get by. I read up on Smogon :). I also follow competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee.

I'm one of the few people in the world that actually likes the R/B Golbat sprite.

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Talk:Dark (type)

2008-12-19T12:02:34Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Trivia */

== The Implication of Dark ==

I added a little quip in the Characteristics section about other features of the Dark-type, specifically how many of the moves are associated with deception and stealing, earning it the title "Dark." I'm pretty sure Dark is not a reference to Night, even though Eevee involves into Umbreon at night, but I think that was just a way to showcase how Day and Night could be used in Gold/Silver. If anyone disagrees with this, I'm interested in your opinion--[[User:MJuice|MJuice]] 02:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Japanese name for the type is Evil, so your observations aren't without support. However, over analyzing too much only adds fuel to the whole 'Pokemon is Satanic' argument.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

:Late reply, but it seems rather likely to me that Dark actually refers to both. Darkness and nighttime are often used (both in Western and Eastern cultures, including Japan) as a symbolic reference to evil, especially the former. Several Dark Pokemon such as Murkrow also have a highly prominent connection to the night, be it evolutionary methods or location in the wild. Initially in Gold/Silver, it should be noted that every wild Dark Pokemon could only be found at night. Because of this, it is not necessarily true that the "Dark = Night" conception is a falsehood, so I don't think the night/darkness implications of the Dark type should be regarded as an outright misinterpretation so much as simply being opinionated. I've decided to remove the sentence containing this statement for that reason. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 18:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

good for you, now maybe you can stop spamming up the recent changes page huh? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

:I often revise and edit my posts to make them clearer, so I apologize for that. If this is considered breaking the rules, please inform me. I've also set my preferences in order to hide minor changes I've identified, so hopefully it won't spam the section anymore. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 18:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::Just for the record, that doesn't stop others from seeing it in the recent changes. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 19:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::: I've recognized this via my talk page. Please excuse my ignorance of wiki usage; I'm still in the process of learning. Otherwise, please let me know if anyone disagrees with my recent edit on this article. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Special?==
Are Dark-type moves really counted as Special-type moves? Even though most Dark-type moves are physical-based? --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 17:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:That's how it is in the Generation III games. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::And Generation II. -Lord Hyren 02:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:::At Earl's Pokémon Academy in Pokémon Stadium 2, one of his lectures for beginning Trainers lists the 17 types and clarifies whether moves of that type are based on Attack or Special Attack. That lecture lists Dark as Special. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 03:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

In the trivia section for [[Electric (type)]], it's mentioned that ''Because Electric's only weakness is to Ground, a pure Electric-type Pokémon with Levitate would have no weaknesses unless Gravity is used or the foe has Mold Breaker.'' Worth mentioning for Dark/Poison with Levitate? [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 11:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, because Dark's weakness is {{type2|Fighting}} and Poison's weakness is {{type2|Psychic}}.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 11:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::What I meant was, suppose we had a combination Dark/Poison type with Levitate. Since Dark's Fighting weakness is canceled by Poison's resistance and Poison's Psychic weakness is nullified by Dark's immunity, the Pokémon would have no weaknesses. [[User:MaskedFalcon|MaskedFalcon]] 12:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Dark (type)

2008-12-19T11:55:36Z

MaskedFalcon: /* Trivia */ new section