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Kybett98: /* Some early designs */

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 15:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of alternately colored Pokémon in animation

2012-01-04T15:17:57Z

Kybett98: /* Dwebble */ new section

One thing, though- did that Shuckle use any attacks? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move ==

Should I move this to "List of alternate colored Pokémon in the anime"? That way, Pink Butterfree could be included. --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be moved. We have many other Pokémon that should be mentioned. Like the Orange Island Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu-colored Pichu ==

Isn't it considered to be in the anime, even appering only in and ending sequence? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 00:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Technically. Throw it in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
==Shiny Magneton==
Does the shiny Magneton picture really need to be PNG. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it does. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::And that doesn't mean resave the same image in PNG format either. Find the episode and do it properly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Lapras ==

Why is everyone forgetting the Lapras from [[EP113]]? That was Ash's Lapras mother, IIRC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:Probably because Lapras's mother is not the same coloration as the game's alternate coloration standards. The game's standards have alternate-coloration Lapras as being purple.

:On the flip side of the coin, keep in mind that the episode in question, while very late in the [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|Orange Islands]] [[arc]] (late enough in said arc to be part of season 3 in the dub, despite what Bulbapedia's warped standards on seasons, as well as more recent popular belief, imply; the theme song defines an ''arc'', not a ''season''), is still a [[Generation I]]-era episode, hence the game's alternate-coloration standards wouldn't apply to it. Hence it could technically qualify as a slight color variation, given that this IS the Orange Islands after all...

:My [[$1|2¢]]: Let the war room look this over and make a judgment, then allow time for it to be implemented properly. It just might turn out in your favor (I'd go ahead and say the odds favor you). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh... but Pink Butterfree, Crystal Onix and others are listed. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 20:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::How different did it look? I don't remember it being that much, or I'd actually remember myself. Also, Pikablu, 4Kids may have ordered the episodes together, but hey, they're the company that called this thing ({{MS|058|Growlithe (Pokémon)}}) an Arcanine. Repeatedly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It is in lighter color then regular Lapras, as seen in the picture on [[EP113]]'s article. I think it should me added. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==
I think this page should be protected until July 10, just out of cautiousness until it is confirmed for sure whether or not the Legendary Beasts in the Zoroark movie actually are shiny. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== OK, ==

Can we at least sort the anime-exclusive colorations from the true shinies? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:<strike>It's a wiki, go for it.</strike> I got there first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Crystal Onix's Type==
Just added Lapras's mother to the list. This page show the Crystal Onix as a Rock/Ground type. While regular Onix are this type, the Crystal Onix is clearly a completely different type (like Wormadam for example), due to its immunity to Water type Attacks & weakness to Fire type attacks, and also the fact that it is not made of rock, but rather crystal or glass. Its type is clearly not Rock but since Crystal is not a type (except in the TCG) it needs be changed to the ??? type or ???/Ground.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think that's necessary; the only indication of type on the page is the template colors, and the ??? color is in my opinion, nasty looking. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sudowoodo ==
What about the Golden sudowoodo in episode AG173? {{unsigned|Gliscorguy54}}
:Dubious. It was a normal Sudowoodo turned gold by artificial means, and then turned back. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::So that Red Gyarados wasn't evolved through artificial means? How interesting. —[[User:Raptor39|Raptor39]] 01:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Still I think it should be mentioned [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Electrode ==

What about the watermelon-colored Electrode in [[AG041]]? --[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 20:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think that one was just painted in disguise, though I may be wrong. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
how about the mysterious exploding watermelon at the end of movie 12, the one with Arceus in it, it appears when team Rocket picks it up after the credits.

== Mismagius ==

Doesn't Kodai's Mismagius count as Alternately colored because of those long extensions on its' body?
:I've looked up Kodai's Mismagius and see no difference between it or any other Mismagius. You'll need to provide a pic or something. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Aw crap you're right. Sorry I just haven't seen a Mismagius in a long time so I forgot what they look like. [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Jigglypuff ==

Shouldn't we add Lisa Mitchum's Jigglypuff and Little Pink as "Non-standard alternate coloration"? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't see why not, though you should probably add that it is most likely to differ other Jigglypuff from the main anime one.. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
But how do you upload images? I don't know how! Can someone please tell me how? Please? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh, never mind I see someone already added it. [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

How about we create a separate page for the actual shinies, and leave this page to deal with the anime-exclusive alternate colored stuff? The shiny section of this page would consist of "Main article: List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime" or something like that. If this is acceptible, I could get going on this right now. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's fine as is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i think thats quite a good idea [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 15:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

== Pink switch removal ==

I don't agree with the removal of the switch for the Pink Pokemon. Yes, the current image depicts some of the Pokemon listed, but the switch helps show the rest. And it is a much better solution than listing each Pink Pokemon individually. It works for the Valencian Pokemon, so I don't see why it can't be the same for the Pink Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pikachu-colored Pichu? ==

Pikachu-colored Pichu is male, how do we know?[[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
:It's a male in the games, but it's never confirmed in the anime. Removed. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== Baby Kangaskhan ==

I was not sure whether to post this but baby Kangaskhans are the color of a adult shiny Kangaskhans so do you reckon that baby Kangaskhan would be counted as shiny because so far its still classed as a Kangaskhan. [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 01:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
:What most likely happens is that the color changes as it ages. Something like an animal shedding its skin. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes that is a possibility but perhaps it should be added because its only a possibility [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 15:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

== Dwebble ==

I dont think Dwebble belongs on this page since the Dwebble is not actually alternately colored. But i feel like people should know about his other rocks perhaps a page called something like "Rocks Dwebbles inhabit" or something like that. [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 15:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of alternately colored Pokémon in animation

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Kybett98: /* Baby Kangaskhan */

Talk:List of alternately colored Pokémon in animation

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Kybett98: /* Suggestion */

Talk:List of alternately colored Pokémon in animation

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Kybett98: /* Baby Kangaskhan */ new section

One thing, though- did that Shuckle use any attacks? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move ==

Should I move this to "List of alternate colored Pokémon in the anime"? That way, Pink Butterfree could be included. --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be moved. We have many other Pokémon that should be mentioned. Like the Orange Island Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu-colored Pichu ==

Isn't it considered to be in the anime, even appering only in and ending sequence? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 00:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Technically. Throw it in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
==Shiny Magneton==
Does the shiny Magneton picture really need to be PNG. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it does. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::And that doesn't mean resave the same image in PNG format either. Find the episode and do it properly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Lapras ==

Why is everyone forgetting the Lapras from [[EP113]]? That was Ash's Lapras mother, IIRC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:Probably because Lapras's mother is not the same coloration as the game's alternate coloration standards. The game's standards have alternate-coloration Lapras as being purple.

:On the flip side of the coin, keep in mind that the episode in question, while very late in the [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|Orange Islands]] [[arc]] (late enough in said arc to be part of season 3 in the dub, despite what Bulbapedia's warped standards on seasons, as well as more recent popular belief, imply; the theme song defines an ''arc'', not a ''season''), is still a [[Generation I]]-era episode, hence the game's alternate-coloration standards wouldn't apply to it. Hence it could technically qualify as a slight color variation, given that this IS the Orange Islands after all...

:My [[$1|2¢]]: Let the war room look this over and make a judgment, then allow time for it to be implemented properly. It just might turn out in your favor (I'd go ahead and say the odds favor you). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh... but Pink Butterfree, Crystal Onix and others are listed. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 20:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::How different did it look? I don't remember it being that much, or I'd actually remember myself. Also, Pikablu, 4Kids may have ordered the episodes together, but hey, they're the company that called this thing ({{MS|058|Growlithe (Pokémon)}}) an Arcanine. Repeatedly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It is in lighter color then regular Lapras, as seen in the picture on [[EP113]]'s article. I think it should me added. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==
I think this page should be protected until July 10, just out of cautiousness until it is confirmed for sure whether or not the Legendary Beasts in the Zoroark movie actually are shiny. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== OK, ==

Can we at least sort the anime-exclusive colorations from the true shinies? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:<strike>It's a wiki, go for it.</strike> I got there first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Crystal Onix's Type==
Just added Lapras's mother to the list. This page show the Crystal Onix as a Rock/Ground type. While regular Onix are this type, the Crystal Onix is clearly a completely different type (like Wormadam for example), due to its immunity to Water type Attacks & weakness to Fire type attacks, and also the fact that it is not made of rock, but rather crystal or glass. Its type is clearly not Rock but since Crystal is not a type (except in the TCG) it needs be changed to the ??? type or ???/Ground.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think that's necessary; the only indication of type on the page is the template colors, and the ??? color is in my opinion, nasty looking. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sudowoodo ==
What about the Golden sudowoodo in episode AG173? {{unsigned|Gliscorguy54}}
:Dubious. It was a normal Sudowoodo turned gold by artificial means, and then turned back. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::So that Red Gyarados wasn't evolved through artificial means? How interesting. —[[User:Raptor39|Raptor39]] 01:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Still I think it should be mentioned [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Electrode ==

What about the watermelon-colored Electrode in [[AG041]]? --[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 20:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think that one was just painted in disguise, though I may be wrong. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
how about the mysterious exploding watermelon at the end of movie 12, the one with Arceus in it, it appears when team Rocket picks it up after the credits.

== Mismagius ==

Doesn't Kodai's Mismagius count as Alternately colored because of those long extensions on its' body?
:I've looked up Kodai's Mismagius and see no difference between it or any other Mismagius. You'll need to provide a pic or something. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Aw crap you're right. Sorry I just haven't seen a Mismagius in a long time so I forgot what they look like. [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Jigglypuff ==

Shouldn't we add Lisa Mitchum's Jigglypuff and Little Pink as "Non-standard alternate coloration"? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't see why not, though you should probably add that it is most likely to differ other Jigglypuff from the main anime one.. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
But how do you upload images? I don't know how! Can someone please tell me how? Please? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh, never mind I see someone already added it. [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

How about we create a separate page for the actual shinies, and leave this page to deal with the anime-exclusive alternate colored stuff? The shiny section of this page would consist of "Main article: List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime" or something like that. If this is acceptible, I could get going on this right now. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's fine as is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pink switch removal ==

I don't agree with the removal of the switch for the Pink Pokemon. Yes, the current image depicts some of the Pokemon listed, but the switch helps show the rest. And it is a much better solution than listing each Pink Pokemon individually. It works for the Valencian Pokemon, so I don't see why it can't be the same for the Pink Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pikachu-colored Pichu? ==

Pikachu-colored Pichu is male, how do we know?[[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
:It's a male in the games, but it's never confirmed in the anime. Removed. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== Baby Kangaskhan ==

I was not sure whether to post this but baby Kangaskhans are the color of a adult shiny Kangaskhans so do you reckon that baby Kangaskhan would be counted as shiny because so far its still classed as a Kangaskhan. [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 01:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Giant Pokémon

2011-12-17T14:04:49Z

Kybett98: /* Addition */

This article needs a bit of expansion, what role the individual Pokémon play, and exactly why they are giant in the first place. Not to mention what differenciates them from normal-sized Pokémon. I can't do too much here, my knowledge of episodes is limited at best, but I made a start. I split the episodes under their own heading, I'ld like to do the same to [[Talking Pokémon]], but I think it might end up too messy, especially if there is too-little info on each Pokémon. I split them into Manga/Anime/Games either way, looks better now than it did. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>I really don't think minor size alterations should be included in the article, as the characters in the anime never comment on the size of Juan or Winona's Pokémon, suggesting those sizes might be intended to be "normal" in the anime. The ones I listed previously were all intended to be giants.

Aside from that, there are tons and tons of minor size differences from the games to the anime - Drew's Roselia and Ash's Grovyle are both three times their in-game size. Noctowls are as big as a person, but Ash's isn't. No, these are just the writer's takes on what sizes they think individual Pokémon are (or at least should be for the purpose of looking better or plot). And thus problably shouldn't be covered on this page, because to the characters of the Pokémon anime, they're normal sized (unlike the giant Claydol or Bulbasaur - which are clearly stated to be unusually large).

Thus, I don't think they should be included, because they're not abnormal in the Pokémon anime. However, they might be better used in a similar but different topic about how Pokémon in the anime are rarely the same size as the ones in the PokéDex. Whaddya think? - Zeta

This page needs updating like Gary's Krabby being the size of Ash's Kingler...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 13:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

"The powerful Tentacruel even spoke to the characters through Meowth, despite Tentacruel having no psychic powers." This statement is probably innaccurate, as Meowth, like most Pokémon, is able to understand what pretty much any Pokémon says, and often translates for Team Rocket. However, I haven't seen that episode, so if it wasn't the usual translating but more like some kind of 'possession' or whatever, that would indicate psychic powers. In which case the statement should probably be rewritten to make that more clear. Ettina, 1:41PM Feb 9 2009

== Episodes With Giant Pokémon ==

[[EP244]] said something about a giant {{p|Goldeen}}. Anyone care to confirm? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 22:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== I question the definition of "Giant" ==

For example, the Dragonite from Mystery at the Light House was indeed giant...but Drew's Roselia? It's not giant, it's just slightly bigger. Kingler and Krabby shouldn't be here either. What comparison can be made that says Ash's Kingler is larger? The Pidgey from the fat Pidgey island isn't giant either. This article should be limited to Pokémon that are literally giant. Not just slightly oversized. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed, those Pokémon you mentioned must not be there. I remember we have [[Size discrepancies in the Pokémon anime|a page for them]]. That's where they fit. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== You're kidding me... ==

Whoever put the sprites sure do have a sense of humour, I mean it's like were gonna say, Oh so that's what The Dragonite looked like. Seriously, Take them out and put proper ones, Or I can make a emplate like I did with the [[Shiny Pokémon|other one]].--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it, the sprites there are kinda useless, unless they are customized. We'll be needing their actual image... '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 07:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
::Done, [[Bruno's Onix]]'s sprite goes to the article. and The image are on their way.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ash's Kingeler and Marcel's Snorlax ==

Why are these pokemon on this page? Kingler is not giant. Marcels Snorlax was never described as giant or even above average (i'm almost certain) It may have been described as big or something but that is most likley because snorlaxs ARE big. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 22:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== Porygon ==

What about Electric SOldier Porygon? Porygon was giant in there too! {{unsigned|Makupe}}

== Eyeroll ==
An awful lot of these look like they were just drawn that way in the show. Sunflora for example. And that Charizard is just bigger because he trains hard and eats healthy. I haven't seen each of these episodes to confirm exactly which ones note, "Hey, Ash, look! That's a giant Pokemon!" but surely a few more of these can be removed.[[User:Bug Catcher Wade|'''Bug Catcher Wade''']] 22:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Manga wise ==
Didn't Golden Boys have a giant Sudowoodo? [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 21:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
: this is for the anime [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This page is actually for all giant Pokémon (although anime is most prevalent) so feel free to include it in the section at the bottom: "Giant Pokémon in other media". —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary Birds ==

Why are they on here? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 01:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:I guess because a few looked bigger than their in-game height? Zapdos didn't seem 5ft. 3in. if my memory serves me correctly. But honestly I don't have a definite answer, and don't really consider them to be giants any more than you do. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
::I'd say they'd be better moved to size discrepancies in the Pokémon anime. I don't see how that Articuno is any different to Noland's in size. Its based purely off speculation, if it was intended that they were giants I'd imagine Oak or Ivy or someone would have said so, or the legend would have included it. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 02:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes indeed. KG isn't available at the moment, but I'll bring it to her attention as soon as possible. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

== Addition ==

In Beheeyem, Duosion, and the Dream Thief! There is a part where Beheeyem turns into a giant but it is in a dream. It is up to you if you add it though. [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 14:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Giant Pokémon

2011-12-17T14:03:07Z

Kybett98: /* Addition */ new section

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-12-12T00:42:57Z

Kybett98: /* Some early designs */

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? [[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]]

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-12-11T13:36:50Z

Kybett98: /* Some early designs */

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why?

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-11-22T04:45:31Z

Kybett98: /* Some early designs */ new section

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

==alternately colored pokemon==
ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto its very old i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:If you want to add a new section to a talk page, click the + at the top of the page, next to edit.

:The Kabuto does appear to be a different colour, so I've added it to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of alternately colored Pokémon in other media|a new page for alternately coloured Pokemon in other media]]. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 21:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

:ok cool i have found more aswell if you want me to link them also one of them actually looks different not just the color

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:Yeah that's fine, just link them here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 00:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

:Ok so here a rhyhorn thats more of blue then grey and has pointy spikes instead of usually being blunt http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg and here is a cloyster that is blue instead of a dark purple color http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Cloyster_card.jpg. here is a doduo that is a golden color instead of brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Doduo_card.jpg. Here is a dodrio that is more golden then brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Dodrio_card.jpg. Here is a graveler that has golden fingers http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Graveler_card.jpg. Here is a venomoth that has different colored eyes http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Venomoth_card.jpg. Here is a bulbasaur with different markings on his head http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Bulbasaur_card.jpg. Also iv decided to watch every single pokemon episode so i can help you and play all the games iv got. :)
::I wouldnt say those ones are differently coloured, Rhyhorn's Dream World artwork also shows it to be blue. Sugimori's artwork style varies with each Generation, and in the first Generation, the colours are usually a bit off, likely due to their age. And Venomoth's eyes are yellow because its using an attack (though it has been depicted [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:049Venomoth_RG.png with yellow spots on its wings]). [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 15:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok sure but then isnt it the same with the kabuto?

kybett98 november 2nd 2011
:I'm not sure, as its not just a different shade of colour, it looks like its a completely different colour, though that may be down to it using {{m|Harden}}. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 15:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok iv been watching some of the episodes and in the 1st or second on there is a coo coo clock and a little wooden green pidgey comes out. But i wasnt shore weather mention it or not because its not actually a pokemon. And also in pokemon mystery dungeon red and blue rescue team the face picture for golem seems to have a golden face and a sort of black shaded shell

kybett98 november 3rd 2011
:The Pidgey shouldn be counted as its not an actual Pidgey. For Mystery Dungeon, I think thats just the different art style, so It's not a different variation. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 19:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

yeah thats why i wasnt shore to mention the pidgey and the golems overworld are normal so i think it is just a error

kybett98 novmeber 6th 2011

User talk:Vuvuzela2010

2011-11-05T19:00:18Z

Kybett98: /* alternately colored pokemon */

Golem (Pokémon)

2011-11-05T18:52:40Z

Kybett98: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=rock | type2=ground | prevnum=075 | nextnum=077 | prev=Graveler | next=Ponyta }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Golem |
jname=ゴローニャ |
tmname=Golonya |
art=FRLG |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>''goal''-um</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=076 |
jdex=036 |
hdex=059 |
fbrow=066 |
sdex=033 |
abrow=043 |
obrow=049 |
opbrow=069 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Megaton |
height-ftin=4'07" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rock Head |
ability2=Sturdy |
abilityd=Sand Veil|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=3 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=golem |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Golem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゴローニャ''' ''Golonya'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Graveler}} when [[trade]]d. It is {{p|Geodude|Geodude's}} final form.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Golem's brownish-colored body resembles a boulder as it is covered by a layer of plated rocks. Golem has a head protruding out of the center of the shell, with short arms that have three claws and four-clawed legs. Unlike its previous forms, it has red eyes and its face appears much less 'rocky' and craggy in appearance, instead being somewhat turtle-like with two visible teeth in the lower jaw. As shown in the [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] Golem's shell is hollow.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

Golem are able to withdraw their heads and arms into their shell and {{m|Rollout|roll at high speeds}}, usually causing {{m|magnitude|small}} {{m|earthquake}}s when doing so. Golem are dangerous when doing this, as they are unable to see and may crash into or run over anything in their path. Golem’s body is so hard that even dynamite cannot scratch it. Golem is also capable of using {{M|Explosion}}.

As a fully evolved Pokémon, Golem is capable of using {{m|Giga Impact}} and generating {{m|Hyper Beam}}s.

===Behavior===

Golem uses the explosive force from blowing itself up to jump from mountain to mountain. Golem is known for rolling and tumbling down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves are dug into the sides of the mountains to divert the rolling Golem’s course. Golem will also roll down the mountains in copious numbers if there is a large earthquake. Golem grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens when exposed to air, crumbling away and returning to the soil.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]

Golem are seldom seen in the wild. However, they can be found living in mountainous regions, just like its pre-evolutions. Golem also live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. They can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary Golem.png|250px|thumb|right|Golem in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{an|Giovanni}}'s Golem appeared in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} used a Golem to battle against [[Ash's Charizard]] in ''[[EP260|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'', but it was defeated.

{{ka|Flint}} used a Golem against [[Lola]] in a feud about what type the [[Pewter City]] Gym should focus in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[AG137|Hooked on Onix]]'', Golem and its pre-evolved forms were the loyal subjects of King {{p|Onix}}.

===Minor appearances===
Golem first appeared in ''[[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]'', under the ownership of [[Chopper]].

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by the trainers at [[Kas Gym]].

In ''[[EP050|Who Gets To Keep Togepi]]'', when Ash, Misty, and Brock are discussing which Pokémon they'd like to hatch out of the egg, Brock mentions that he wishes it would be a Golem, and one is shown for a second before Misty replaces it with a Lapras.

At the beginning of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', [[Raymond]] used a Golem to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Golem, along with the rest of his Pokémon, were defeated by Pikachu.

A Golem belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

A wild Golem was seen attacking a wounded {{p|Houndour}} in ''[[EP150|Hour of the Houndour]]'' but was driven off by [[Ash's Chikorita]].

[[Goneff|A crook]] who appeared in ''[[EP192|The Wayward Wobbuffet]]'' had a Golem.

A group of Golem appeared in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]''.

A Golem was used by [[J]]'s [[J's henchmen|client]] in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts 1]] [[DP072|and 2]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' under the ownership of [[Bertha]].

A wild Golem appeared as a trap in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'' as a guardian of treasure [[Buck]] was looking for. [[Ash's Gible]] defeated it easily and sent it rolling back into the cave it appeared from.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP036|Golem|Ash's Pokédex|Golem, a Megaton Pokémon. Once a year it sheds its bedrock shell and grows larger.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gravvy.png|thumb|right|150px|{{adv|Yellow}}'s Golem, Gravvy]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
In {{PAV|3}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Giovanni}} is seen with a Golem as the second Pokémon he sends out against {{adv|Red}}. Its best attacks involve its body shattering, allowing it to use {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In {{PAV|7}}, {{adv|Yellow}}'s Graveler evolves into Golem during the final battle on [[Cerise Island]]. [[Blaine]] acknowledges its evolution, as Graveler normally evolve into Golem by trade.

==In the TFG==
One Golem figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Golem|16}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Golem (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Golem is the leader of Team Rumblerock, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Normal Rank]] [[Team#Rescue Teams|Rescue Team]]. It joins a new team designed to travel through [[Magma Cavern]] but is defeated.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|yellowdex=Once it sheds its skin, its body turns tender and whitish. Its hide hardens when it's exposed to air.
|golddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|stadiumdex=Its body, which weighs over 660 pounds, is as hard as stone. It grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year.
|silverdex=It is capable of {{m|Explosion|blowing itself up}}. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|crystaldex=Its rock-like body is so durable, even high-powered dynamite blasts fail to scratch its rugged hide.
|stadium2dex=It sheds its skin once a year. the discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|rubydex=Golem live up on mountains. If there is a large earthquake, these Pokémon will come rolling down off the mountains en masse to the foothills below.
|sapphiredex=Golem is known for rolling down from mountains. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves have been dug into the sides of mountains to serve as guideways for diverting this Pokémon's course.
|emeralddex=It is said to live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. Once a year, it sheds its hide and grows larger. The shed hide crumbles and returns to the soil.
|firereddex=It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
|leafgreendex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|diamonddex=It sheds its hide once a year. Its boulderlike body is so tough, even dynamite can't harm it.
|pearldex=It tumbles down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. Stay clear of these grooves.
|platinumdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
|heartgolddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|soulsilverdex=It is capable of blowing itself up. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|bwdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|pinballrs=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 10]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Magma Cavern]] (15F-20F) [[Mt. Faraway]] (10F-19F) [[Buried Relic]] (91-99F) [[Wish Cave]] (76F-79F) [[Southern Cavern]] (40F-50F) [[Joyous Tower]] (74F-79F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Crystal Cave]] (B8-B11)
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Altru Tower]]
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Lava Zone]]
}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 80 |
Attack= 110 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Special= 55 |
Speed= 45 |
type= Rock |
type2=Ground }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Steamroller|Bug|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|58|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|69|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM64|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|208|Steelix}}|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|095|Onix}}{{MSP|208|Steelix}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|074|Geodude||075|Graveler||Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=ground |
ndex=076 |
pinball=Evolve |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-30 |
area=Mt. Deepgreen |
P1=Even dynamite can't shatter my armor! |
P2=Better be careful. My HP's half gone. |
P3=I'm about done... I have no energy left... |
PL=Hm! I leveled up! My armor's grown harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Crush |
loop=16 |
MinEXP=95 |
MaxEXP=145 |
browser=Golem can destroy even big Boulders using its extraordinary strength. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Rock |
assist2=Rock |
field2=Crush |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It {{M|Rock Throw|hurls stones}} to attack. It also opens fissures in the ground. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 3 |
browser3=It triggers rockfalls to attack |
Pad=Golem sometimes lends a hand with {{DL|Attractions|Blaziken's Boulder Bash}} in the [[Lava Zone]]. He likes to collect shiny things. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=074
|name1=Geodude
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=25
|sprite2=075
|name2=Graveler
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Trade
|sprite3=076
|name3=Golem
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=076|
name=Golem|
}}

==Trivia==
*In [[Generation I]], Golem was the only Pokémon the player couldn't even see without trading. However, its existence was implied by a [[non-player character]] who had just received his friend's {{p|Graveler}}. {{p|Venusaur}} (if the player started with {{p|Charmander}}) and either {{p|Kabutops}} or {{p|Omastar}} would also be missing, but only Golem was definite.

===Origin===
Golem is probably based on a turtle. Turtles are believed to have the world on its back in myths. (Hindu mythology, Chinse mythology and Native American mythology.) Its "shell" may represent the {{wp|tectonic plates}} of Earth.

====Name origin====
Golem's name probably is a reference to the {{wp|golem}}s of medieval and {{wp|Jewish mythology|Hebrew}} legend. Additionally, ゴロゴローン ''gorogorōn'' is the sound of rolling.

==In other languages==
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! style="{{roundytr}}" | Name Origin
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| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Geowaz
| From ''geo'' and ''Watz'', an informal expression for a massive piece of stone.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Grolem
| A corruption of ''{{tt|gros|big}}'' and ''Golem''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 딱구리 ''Ddakguri''
| From {{tt|딱딱한 ''ddak-ddak-han''|hard, rigid, stiff, solid}} and {{tt|굴리다 ''gulrida''|to roll or prowl around}}; possibly literally "Hard roller".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 隆隆岩 ''Lónglóngyán''
| Literally "Rumbling boulder".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 滾動岩 ''Gwánduhngngàahm''
| Literally "Rolling boulder".
|}
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==External links==
*{{wp|Geodude, Graveler, and Golem|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=rock | type2=ground | prevnum=075 | nextnum=077 | prev=Graveler | next=Ponyta }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Golem |
jname=ゴローニャ |
tmname=Golonya |
art=FRLG |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>''goal''-um</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=076 |
jdex=036 |
hdex=059 |
fbrow=066 |
sdex=033 |
abrow=043 |
obrow=049 |
opbrow=069 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Megaton |
height-ftin=4'07" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rock Head |
ability2=Sturdy |
abilityd=Sand Veil|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=3 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=golem |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Golem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゴローニャ''' ''Golonya'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Graveler}} when [[trade]]d. It is {{p|Geodude|Geodude's}} final form.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Golem's brownish-colored body resembles a boulder as it is covered by a layer of plated rocks. Golem has a head protruding out of the center of the shell, with short arms that have three claws and four-clawed legs. Unlike its previous forms, it has red eyes and its face appears much less 'rocky' and craggy in appearance, instead being somewhat turtle-like with two visible teeth in the lower jaw. As shown in the [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] he was hollow.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

Golem are able to withdraw their heads and arms into their shell and {{m|Rollout|roll at high speeds}}, usually causing {{m|magnitude|small}} {{m|earthquake}}s when doing so. Golem are dangerous when doing this, as they are unable to see and may crash into or run over anything in their path. Golem’s body is so hard that even dynamite cannot scratch it. Golem is also capable of using {{M|Explosion}}.

As a fully evolved Pokémon, Golem is capable of using {{m|Giga Impact}} and generating {{m|Hyper Beam}}s.

===Behavior===

Golem uses the explosive force from blowing itself up to jump from mountain to mountain. Golem is known for rolling and tumbling down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves are dug into the sides of the mountains to divert the rolling Golem’s course. Golem will also roll down the mountains in copious numbers if there is a large earthquake. Golem grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens when exposed to air, crumbling away and returning to the soil.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]

Golem are seldom seen in the wild. However, they can be found living in mountainous regions, just like its pre-evolutions. Golem also live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. They can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary Golem.png|250px|thumb|right|Golem in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{an|Giovanni}}'s Golem appeared in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} used a Golem to battle against [[Ash's Charizard]] in ''[[EP260|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'', but it was defeated.

{{ka|Flint}} used a Golem against [[Lola]] in a feud about what type the [[Pewter City]] Gym should focus in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[AG137|Hooked on Onix]]'', Golem and its pre-evolved forms were the loyal subjects of King {{p|Onix}}.

===Minor appearances===
Golem first appeared in ''[[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]'', under the ownership of [[Chopper]].

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by the trainers at [[Kas Gym]].

In ''[[EP050|Who Gets To Keep Togepi]]'', when Ash, Misty, and Brock are discussing which Pokémon they'd like to hatch out of the egg, Brock mentions that he wishes it would be a Golem, and one is shown for a second before Misty replaces it with a Lapras.

At the beginning of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', [[Raymond]] used a Golem to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Golem, along with the rest of his Pokémon, were defeated by Pikachu.

A Golem belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

A wild Golem was seen attacking a wounded {{p|Houndour}} in ''[[EP150|Hour of the Houndour]]'' but was driven off by [[Ash's Chikorita]].

[[Goneff|A crook]] who appeared in ''[[EP192|The Wayward Wobbuffet]]'' had a Golem.

A group of Golem appeared in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]''.

A Golem was used by [[J]]'s [[J's henchmen|client]] in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts 1]] [[DP072|and 2]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' under the ownership of [[Bertha]].

A wild Golem appeared as a trap in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'' as a guardian of treasure [[Buck]] was looking for. [[Ash's Gible]] defeated it easily and sent it rolling back into the cave it appeared from.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP036|Golem|Ash's Pokédex|Golem, a Megaton Pokémon. Once a year it sheds its bedrock shell and grows larger.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gravvy.png|thumb|right|150px|{{adv|Yellow}}'s Golem, Gravvy]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
In {{PAV|3}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Giovanni}} is seen with a Golem as the second Pokémon he sends out against {{adv|Red}}. Its best attacks involve its body shattering, allowing it to use {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In {{PAV|7}}, {{adv|Yellow}}'s Graveler evolves into Golem during the final battle on [[Cerise Island]]. [[Blaine]] acknowledges its evolution, as Graveler normally evolve into Golem by trade.

==In the TFG==
One Golem figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Golem|16}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Golem (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Golem is the leader of Team Rumblerock, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Normal Rank]] [[Team#Rescue Teams|Rescue Team]]. It joins a new team designed to travel through [[Magma Cavern]] but is defeated.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|yellowdex=Once it sheds its skin, its body turns tender and whitish. Its hide hardens when it's exposed to air.
|golddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|stadiumdex=Its body, which weighs over 660 pounds, is as hard as stone. It grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year.
|silverdex=It is capable of {{m|Explosion|blowing itself up}}. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|crystaldex=Its rock-like body is so durable, even high-powered dynamite blasts fail to scratch its rugged hide.
|stadium2dex=It sheds its skin once a year. the discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|rubydex=Golem live up on mountains. If there is a large earthquake, these Pokémon will come rolling down off the mountains en masse to the foothills below.
|sapphiredex=Golem is known for rolling down from mountains. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves have been dug into the sides of mountains to serve as guideways for diverting this Pokémon's course.
|emeralddex=It is said to live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. Once a year, it sheds its hide and grows larger. The shed hide crumbles and returns to the soil.
|firereddex=It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
|leafgreendex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|diamonddex=It sheds its hide once a year. Its boulderlike body is so tough, even dynamite can't harm it.
|pearldex=It tumbles down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. Stay clear of these grooves.
|platinumdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
|heartgolddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|soulsilverdex=It is capable of blowing itself up. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|bwdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|pinballrs=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 10]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Magma Cavern]] (15F-20F) [[Mt. Faraway]] (10F-19F) [[Buried Relic]] (91-99F) [[Wish Cave]] (76F-79F) [[Southern Cavern]] (40F-50F) [[Joyous Tower]] (74F-79F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Crystal Cave]] (B8-B11)
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Altru Tower]]
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Lava Zone]]
}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 80 |
Attack= 110 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Special= 55 |
Speed= 45 |
type= Rock |
type2=Ground }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
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{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Steamroller|Bug|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|58|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|69|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM64|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|208|Steelix}}|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|095|Onix}}{{MSP|208|Steelix}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|074|Geodude||075|Graveler||Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=ground |
ndex=076 |
pinball=Evolve |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-30 |
area=Mt. Deepgreen |
P1=Even dynamite can't shatter my armor! |
P2=Better be careful. My HP's half gone. |
P3=I'm about done... I have no energy left... |
PL=Hm! I leveled up! My armor's grown harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Crush |
loop=16 |
MinEXP=95 |
MaxEXP=145 |
browser=Golem can destroy even big Boulders using its extraordinary strength. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Rock |
assist2=Rock |
field2=Crush |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It {{M|Rock Throw|hurls stones}} to attack. It also opens fissures in the ground. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 3 |
browser3=It triggers rockfalls to attack |
Pad=Golem sometimes lends a hand with {{DL|Attractions|Blaziken's Boulder Bash}} in the [[Lava Zone]]. He likes to collect shiny things. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=074
|name1=Geodude
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=25
|sprite2=075
|name2=Graveler
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Trade
|sprite3=076
|name3=Golem
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=076|
name=Golem|
}}

==Trivia==
*In [[Generation I]], Golem was the only Pokémon the player couldn't even see without trading. However, its existence was implied by a [[non-player character]] who had just received his friend's {{p|Graveler}}. {{p|Venusaur}} (if the player started with {{p|Charmander}}) and either {{p|Kabutops}} or {{p|Omastar}} would also be missing, but only Golem was definite.

===Origin===
Golem is probably based on a turtle. Turtles are believed to have the world on its back in myths. (Hindu mythology, Chinse mythology and Native American mythology.) Its "shell" may represent the {{wp|tectonic plates}} of Earth.

====Name origin====
Golem's name probably is a reference to the {{wp|golem}}s of medieval and {{wp|Jewish mythology|Hebrew}} legend. Additionally, ゴロゴローン ''gorogorōn'' is the sound of rolling.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" style="{{roundy}} border: 3px solid #{{ground color}}; background: #{{rock color}};"
|-
|
{| style="{{roundy}}" style="background: #{{rock color light}};"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr}}" | Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Geowaz
| From ''geo'' and ''Watz'', an informal expression for a massive piece of stone.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Grolem
| A corruption of ''{{tt|gros|big}}'' and ''Golem''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 딱구리 ''Ddakguri''
| From {{tt|딱딱한 ''ddak-ddak-han''|hard, rigid, stiff, solid}} and {{tt|굴리다 ''gulrida''|to roll or prowl around}}; possibly literally "Hard roller".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 隆隆岩 ''Lónglóngyán''
| Literally "Rumbling boulder".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 滾動岩 ''Gwánduhngngàahm''
| Literally "Rolling boulder".
|}
|-
|}
 

==External links==
*{{wp|Geodude, Graveler, and Golem|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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Golem (Pokémon)

2011-11-03T09:22:16Z

Kybett98: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=rock | type2=ground | prevnum=075 | nextnum=077 | prev=Graveler | next=Ponyta }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Golem |
jname=ゴローニャ |
tmname=Golonya |
art=FRLG |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>''goal''-um</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=076 |
jdex=036 |
hdex=059 |
fbrow=066 |
sdex=033 |
abrow=043 |
obrow=049 |
opbrow=069 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Megaton |
height-ftin=4'07" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rock Head |
ability2=Sturdy |
abilityd=Sand Veil|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=3 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=golem |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Golem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゴローニャ''' ''Golonya'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Graveler}} when [[trade]]d. It is {{p|Geodude|Geodude's}} final form.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Golem's brownish-colored body resembles a boulder as it is covered by a layer of plated rocks. Golem has a head protruding out of the center of the shell, with short arms that have three claws and four-clawed legs. Unlike its previous forms, it has red eyes and its face appears much less 'rocky' and craggy in appearance, instead being somewhat turtle-like with two visible teeth in the lower jaw. As shown in the [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] he was hollow

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

Golem are able to withdraw their heads and arms into their shell and {{m|Rollout|roll at high speeds}}, usually causing {{m|magnitude|small}} {{m|earthquake}}s when doing so. Golem are dangerous when doing this, as they are unable to see and may crash into or run over anything in their path. Golem’s body is so hard that even dynamite cannot scratch it. Golem is also capable of using {{M|Explosion}}.

As a fully evolved Pokémon, Golem is capable of using {{m|Giga Impact}} and generating {{m|Hyper Beam}}s.

===Behavior===

Golem uses the explosive force from blowing itself up to jump from mountain to mountain. Golem is known for rolling and tumbling down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves are dug into the sides of the mountains to divert the rolling Golem’s course. Golem will also roll down the mountains in copious numbers if there is a large earthquake. Golem grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens when exposed to air, crumbling away and returning to the soil.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]

Golem are seldom seen in the wild. However, they can be found living in mountainous regions, just like its pre-evolutions. Golem also live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. They can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary Golem.png|250px|thumb|right|Golem in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{an|Giovanni}}'s Golem appeared in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} used a Golem to battle against [[Ash's Charizard]] in ''[[EP260|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'', but it was defeated.

{{ka|Flint}} used a Golem against [[Lola]] in a feud about what type the [[Pewter City]] Gym should focus in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[AG137|Hooked on Onix]]'', Golem and its pre-evolved forms were the loyal subjects of King {{p|Onix}}.

===Minor appearances===
Golem first appeared in ''[[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]'', under the ownership of [[Chopper]].

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by the trainers at [[Kas Gym]].

In ''[[EP050|Who Gets To Keep Togepi]]'', when Ash, Misty, and Brock are discussing which Pokémon they'd like to hatch out of the egg, Brock mentions that he wishes it would be a Golem, and one is shown for a second before Misty replaces it with a Lapras.

At the beginning of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', [[Raymond]] used a Golem to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Golem, along with the rest of his Pokémon, were defeated by Pikachu.

A Golem belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

A wild Golem was seen attacking a wounded {{p|Houndour}} in ''[[EP150|Hour of the Houndour]]'' but was driven off by [[Ash's Chikorita]].

[[Goneff|A crook]] who appeared in ''[[EP192|The Wayward Wobbuffet]]'' had a Golem.

A group of Golem appeared in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]''.

A Golem was used by [[J]]'s [[J's henchmen|client]] in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts 1]] [[DP072|and 2]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' under the ownership of [[Bertha]].

A wild Golem appeared as a trap in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'' as a guardian of treasure [[Buck]] was looking for. [[Ash's Gible]] defeated it easily and sent it rolling back into the cave it appeared from.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP036|Golem|Ash's Pokédex|Golem, a Megaton Pokémon. Once a year it sheds its bedrock shell and grows larger.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gravvy.png|thumb|right|150px|{{adv|Yellow}}'s Golem, Gravvy]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
In {{PAV|3}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Giovanni}} is seen with a Golem as the second Pokémon he sends out against {{adv|Red}}. Its best attacks involve its body shattering, allowing it to use {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In {{PAV|7}}, {{adv|Yellow}}'s Graveler evolves into Golem during the final battle on [[Cerise Island]]. [[Blaine]] acknowledges its evolution, as Graveler normally evolve into Golem by trade.

==In the TFG==
One Golem figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Golem|16}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Golem (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Golem is the leader of Team Rumblerock, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Normal Rank]] [[Team#Rescue Teams|Rescue Team]]. It joins a new team designed to travel through [[Magma Cavern]] but is defeated.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|yellowdex=Once it sheds its skin, its body turns tender and whitish. Its hide hardens when it's exposed to air.
|golddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|stadiumdex=Its body, which weighs over 660 pounds, is as hard as stone. It grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year.
|silverdex=It is capable of {{m|Explosion|blowing itself up}}. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|crystaldex=Its rock-like body is so durable, even high-powered dynamite blasts fail to scratch its rugged hide.
|stadium2dex=It sheds its skin once a year. the discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|rubydex=Golem live up on mountains. If there is a large earthquake, these Pokémon will come rolling down off the mountains en masse to the foothills below.
|sapphiredex=Golem is known for rolling down from mountains. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves have been dug into the sides of mountains to serve as guideways for diverting this Pokémon's course.
|emeralddex=It is said to live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. Once a year, it sheds its hide and grows larger. The shed hide crumbles and returns to the soil.
|firereddex=It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
|leafgreendex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|diamonddex=It sheds its hide once a year. Its boulderlike body is so tough, even dynamite can't harm it.
|pearldex=It tumbles down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. Stay clear of these grooves.
|platinumdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
|heartgolddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|soulsilverdex=It is capable of blowing itself up. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|bwdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|pinballrs=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 10]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Magma Cavern]] (15F-20F) [[Mt. Faraway]] (10F-19F) [[Buried Relic]] (91-99F) [[Wish Cave]] (76F-79F) [[Southern Cavern]] (40F-50F) [[Joyous Tower]] (74F-79F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Crystal Cave]] (B8-B11)
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Altru Tower]]
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Lava Zone]]
}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 80 |
Attack= 110 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Special= 55 |
Speed= 45 |
type= Rock |
type2=Ground }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Steamroller|Bug|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|58|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|69|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM64|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|208|Steelix}}|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|095|Onix}}{{MSP|208|Steelix}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|074|Geodude||075|Graveler||Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=ground |
ndex=076 |
pinball=Evolve |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-30 |
area=Mt. Deepgreen |
P1=Even dynamite can't shatter my armor! |
P2=Better be careful. My HP's half gone. |
P3=I'm about done... I have no energy left... |
PL=Hm! I leveled up! My armor's grown harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Crush |
loop=16 |
MinEXP=95 |
MaxEXP=145 |
browser=Golem can destroy even big Boulders using its extraordinary strength. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Rock |
assist2=Rock |
field2=Crush |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It {{M|Rock Throw|hurls stones}} to attack. It also opens fissures in the ground. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 3 |
browser3=It triggers rockfalls to attack |
Pad=Golem sometimes lends a hand with {{DL|Attractions|Blaziken's Boulder Bash}} in the [[Lava Zone]]. He likes to collect shiny things. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=074
|name1=Geodude
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=25
|sprite2=075
|name2=Graveler
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Trade
|sprite3=076
|name3=Golem
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=076|
name=Golem|
}}

==Trivia==
*In [[Generation I]], Golem was the only Pokémon the player couldn't even see without trading. However, its existence was implied by a [[non-player character]] who had just received his friend's {{p|Graveler}}. {{p|Venusaur}} (if the player started with {{p|Charmander}}) and either {{p|Kabutops}} or {{p|Omastar}} would also be missing, but only Golem was definite.

===Origin===
Golem is probably based on a turtle. Turtles are believed to have the world on its back in myths. (Hindu mythology, Chinse mythology and Native American mythology.) Its "shell" may represent the {{wp|tectonic plates}} of Earth.

====Name origin====
Golem's name probably is a reference to the {{wp|golem}}s of medieval and {{wp|Jewish mythology|Hebrew}} legend. Additionally, ゴロゴローン ''gorogorōn'' is the sound of rolling.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" style="{{roundy}} border: 3px solid #{{ground color}}; background: #{{rock color}};"
|-
|
{| style="{{roundy}}" style="background: #{{rock color light}};"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr}}" | Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Geowaz
| From ''geo'' and ''Watz'', an informal expression for a massive piece of stone.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Grolem
| A corruption of ''{{tt|gros|big}}'' and ''Golem''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 딱구리 ''Ddakguri''
| From {{tt|딱딱한 ''ddak-ddak-han''|hard, rigid, stiff, solid}} and {{tt|굴리다 ''gulrida''|to roll or prowl around}}; possibly literally "Hard roller".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 隆隆岩 ''Lónglóngyán''
| Literally "Rumbling boulder".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 滾動岩 ''Gwánduhngngàahm''
| Literally "Rolling boulder".
|}
|-
|}
 

==External links==
*{{wp|Geodude, Graveler, and Golem|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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Golem (Pokémon)

2011-11-03T09:21:51Z

Kybett98: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=rock | type2=ground | prevnum=075 | nextnum=077 | prev=Graveler | next=Ponyta }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Golem |
jname=ゴローニャ |
tmname=Golonya |
art=FRLG |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>''goal''-um</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=076 |
jdex=036 |
hdex=059 |
fbrow=066 |
sdex=033 |
abrow=043 |
obrow=049 |
opbrow=069 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Megaton |
height-ftin=4'07" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rock Head |
ability2=Sturdy |
abilityd=Sand Veil|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=3 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=golem |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Golem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゴローニャ''' ''Golonya'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Graveler}} when [[trade]]d. It is {{p|Geodude|Geodude's}} final form.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Golem's brownish-colored body resembles a boulder as it is covered by a layer of plated rocks. Golem has a head protruding out of the center of the shell, with short arms that have three claws and four-clawed legs. Unlike its previous forms, it has red eyes and its face appears much less 'rocky' and craggy in appearance, instead being somewhat turtle-like with two visible teeth in the lower jaw. As shown in a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] he was hollow

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

Golem are able to withdraw their heads and arms into their shell and {{m|Rollout|roll at high speeds}}, usually causing {{m|magnitude|small}} {{m|earthquake}}s when doing so. Golem are dangerous when doing this, as they are unable to see and may crash into or run over anything in their path. Golem’s body is so hard that even dynamite cannot scratch it. Golem is also capable of using {{M|Explosion}}.

As a fully evolved Pokémon, Golem is capable of using {{m|Giga Impact}} and generating {{m|Hyper Beam}}s.

===Behavior===

Golem uses the explosive force from blowing itself up to jump from mountain to mountain. Golem is known for rolling and tumbling down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves are dug into the sides of the mountains to divert the rolling Golem’s course. Golem will also roll down the mountains in copious numbers if there is a large earthquake. Golem grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens when exposed to air, crumbling away and returning to the soil.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]

Golem are seldom seen in the wild. However, they can be found living in mountainous regions, just like its pre-evolutions. Golem also live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. They can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary Golem.png|250px|thumb|right|Golem in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{an|Giovanni}}'s Golem appeared in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} used a Golem to battle against [[Ash's Charizard]] in ''[[EP260|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'', but it was defeated.

{{ka|Flint}} used a Golem against [[Lola]] in a feud about what type the [[Pewter City]] Gym should focus in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[AG137|Hooked on Onix]]'', Golem and its pre-evolved forms were the loyal subjects of King {{p|Onix}}.

===Minor appearances===
Golem first appeared in ''[[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]'', under the ownership of [[Chopper]].

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by the trainers at [[Kas Gym]].

In ''[[EP050|Who Gets To Keep Togepi]]'', when Ash, Misty, and Brock are discussing which Pokémon they'd like to hatch out of the egg, Brock mentions that he wishes it would be a Golem, and one is shown for a second before Misty replaces it with a Lapras.

At the beginning of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', [[Raymond]] used a Golem to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Golem, along with the rest of his Pokémon, were defeated by Pikachu.

A Golem belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

A wild Golem was seen attacking a wounded {{p|Houndour}} in ''[[EP150|Hour of the Houndour]]'' but was driven off by [[Ash's Chikorita]].

[[Goneff|A crook]] who appeared in ''[[EP192|The Wayward Wobbuffet]]'' had a Golem.

A group of Golem appeared in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]''.

A Golem was used by [[J]]'s [[J's henchmen|client]] in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts 1]] [[DP072|and 2]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' under the ownership of [[Bertha]].

A wild Golem appeared as a trap in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'' as a guardian of treasure [[Buck]] was looking for. [[Ash's Gible]] defeated it easily and sent it rolling back into the cave it appeared from.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP036|Golem|Ash's Pokédex|Golem, a Megaton Pokémon. Once a year it sheds its bedrock shell and grows larger.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gravvy.png|thumb|right|150px|{{adv|Yellow}}'s Golem, Gravvy]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
In {{PAV|3}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Giovanni}} is seen with a Golem as the second Pokémon he sends out against {{adv|Red}}. Its best attacks involve its body shattering, allowing it to use {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In {{PAV|7}}, {{adv|Yellow}}'s Graveler evolves into Golem during the final battle on [[Cerise Island]]. [[Blaine]] acknowledges its evolution, as Graveler normally evolve into Golem by trade.

==In the TFG==
One Golem figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Golem|16}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Golem (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Golem is the leader of Team Rumblerock, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Normal Rank]] [[Team#Rescue Teams|Rescue Team]]. It joins a new team designed to travel through [[Magma Cavern]] but is defeated.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|yellowdex=Once it sheds its skin, its body turns tender and whitish. Its hide hardens when it's exposed to air.
|golddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|stadiumdex=Its body, which weighs over 660 pounds, is as hard as stone. It grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year.
|silverdex=It is capable of {{m|Explosion|blowing itself up}}. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|crystaldex=Its rock-like body is so durable, even high-powered dynamite blasts fail to scratch its rugged hide.
|stadium2dex=It sheds its skin once a year. the discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|rubydex=Golem live up on mountains. If there is a large earthquake, these Pokémon will come rolling down off the mountains en masse to the foothills below.
|sapphiredex=Golem is known for rolling down from mountains. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves have been dug into the sides of mountains to serve as guideways for diverting this Pokémon's course.
|emeralddex=It is said to live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. Once a year, it sheds its hide and grows larger. The shed hide crumbles and returns to the soil.
|firereddex=It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
|leafgreendex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|diamonddex=It sheds its hide once a year. Its boulderlike body is so tough, even dynamite can't harm it.
|pearldex=It tumbles down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. Stay clear of these grooves.
|platinumdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
|heartgolddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|soulsilverdex=It is capable of blowing itself up. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|bwdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|pinballrs=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 10]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Magma Cavern]] (15F-20F) [[Mt. Faraway]] (10F-19F) [[Buried Relic]] (91-99F) [[Wish Cave]] (76F-79F) [[Southern Cavern]] (40F-50F) [[Joyous Tower]] (74F-79F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Crystal Cave]] (B8-B11)
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Altru Tower]]
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Lava Zone]]
}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 80 |
Attack= 110 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Special= 55 |
Speed= 45 |
type= Rock |
type2=Ground }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Steamroller|Bug|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|58|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|69|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM64|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|208|Steelix}}|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|095|Onix}}{{MSP|208|Steelix}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|074|Geodude||075|Graveler||Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=ground |
ndex=076 |
pinball=Evolve |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-30 |
area=Mt. Deepgreen |
P1=Even dynamite can't shatter my armor! |
P2=Better be careful. My HP's half gone. |
P3=I'm about done... I have no energy left... |
PL=Hm! I leveled up! My armor's grown harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Crush |
loop=16 |
MinEXP=95 |
MaxEXP=145 |
browser=Golem can destroy even big Boulders using its extraordinary strength. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Rock |
assist2=Rock |
field2=Crush |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It {{M|Rock Throw|hurls stones}} to attack. It also opens fissures in the ground. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 3 |
browser3=It triggers rockfalls to attack |
Pad=Golem sometimes lends a hand with {{DL|Attractions|Blaziken's Boulder Bash}} in the [[Lava Zone]]. He likes to collect shiny things. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=074
|name1=Geodude
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=25
|sprite2=075
|name2=Graveler
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Trade
|sprite3=076
|name3=Golem
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=076|
name=Golem|
}}

==Trivia==
*In [[Generation I]], Golem was the only Pokémon the player couldn't even see without trading. However, its existence was implied by a [[non-player character]] who had just received his friend's {{p|Graveler}}. {{p|Venusaur}} (if the player started with {{p|Charmander}}) and either {{p|Kabutops}} or {{p|Omastar}} would also be missing, but only Golem was definite.

===Origin===
Golem is probably based on a turtle. Turtles are believed to have the world on its back in myths. (Hindu mythology, Chinse mythology and Native American mythology.) Its "shell" may represent the {{wp|tectonic plates}} of Earth.

====Name origin====
Golem's name probably is a reference to the {{wp|golem}}s of medieval and {{wp|Jewish mythology|Hebrew}} legend. Additionally, ゴロゴローン ''gorogorōn'' is the sound of rolling.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" style="{{roundy}} border: 3px solid #{{ground color}}; background: #{{rock color}};"
|-
|
{| style="{{roundy}}" style="background: #{{rock color light}};"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr}}" | Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Geowaz
| From ''geo'' and ''Watz'', an informal expression for a massive piece of stone.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Grolem
| A corruption of ''{{tt|gros|big}}'' and ''Golem''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 딱구리 ''Ddakguri''
| From {{tt|딱딱한 ''ddak-ddak-han''|hard, rigid, stiff, solid}} and {{tt|굴리다 ''gulrida''|to roll or prowl around}}; possibly literally "Hard roller".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 隆隆岩 ''Lónglóngyán''
| Literally "Rumbling boulder".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 滾動岩 ''Gwánduhngngàahm''
| Literally "Rolling boulder".
|}
|-
|}
 

==External links==
*{{wp|Geodude, Graveler, and Golem|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
<references />

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Golem (Pokémon)

2011-11-03T09:21:15Z

Kybett98: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=rock | type2=ground | prevnum=075 | nextnum=077 | prev=Graveler | next=Ponyta }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Golem |
jname=ゴローニャ |
tmname=Golonya |
art=FRLG |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>''goal''-um</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=076 |
jdex=036 |
hdex=059 |
fbrow=066 |
sdex=033 |
abrow=043 |
obrow=049 |
opbrow=069 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Megaton |
height-ftin=4'07" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=661.4 |
weight-kg=300.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rock Head |
ability2=Sturdy |
abilityd=Sand Veil|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evde=3 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=golem |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Golem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゴローニャ''' ''Golonya'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Graveler}} when [[trade]]d. It is {{p|Geodude|Geodude's}} final form.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Golem's brownish-colored body resembles a boulder as it is covered by a layer of plated rocks. Golem has a head protruding out of the center of the shell, with short arms that have three claws and four-clawed legs. Unlike its previous forms, it has red eyes and its face appears much less 'rocky' and craggy in appearance, instead being somewhat turtle-like with two visible teeth in the lower jaw. As shown in a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]] he was hollow

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

Golem are able to withdraw their heads and arms into their shell and {{m|Rollout|roll at high speeds}}, usually causing {{m|magnitude|small}} {{m|earthquake}}s when doing so. Golem are dangerous when doing this, as they are unable to see and may crash into or run over anything in their path. Golem’s body is so hard that even dynamite cannot scratch it. Golem is also capable of using {{M|Explosion}}.

As a fully evolved Pokémon, Golem is capable of using {{m|Giga Impact}} and generating {{m|Hyper Beam}}s.

===Behavior===

Golem uses the explosive force from blowing itself up to jump from mountain to mountain. Golem is known for rolling and tumbling down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves are dug into the sides of the mountains to divert the rolling Golem’s course. Golem will also roll down the mountains in copious numbers if there is a large earthquake. Golem grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens when exposed to air, crumbling away and returning to the soil.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]

Golem are seldom seen in the wild. However, they can be found living in mountainous regions, just like its pre-evolutions. Golem also live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. They can be found in [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary Golem.png|250px|thumb|right|Golem in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{an|Giovanni}}'s Golem appeared in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} used a Golem to battle against [[Ash's Charizard]] in ''[[EP260|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'', but it was defeated.

{{ka|Flint}} used a Golem against [[Lola]] in a feud about what type the [[Pewter City]] Gym should focus in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[AG137|Hooked on Onix]]'', Golem and its pre-evolved forms were the loyal subjects of King {{p|Onix}}.

===Minor appearances===
Golem first appeared in ''[[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]'', under the ownership of [[Chopper]].

In ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]'', it was one of the Pokémon owned by the trainers at [[Kas Gym]].

In ''[[EP050|Who Gets To Keep Togepi]]'', when Ash, Misty, and Brock are discussing which Pokémon they'd like to hatch out of the egg, Brock mentions that he wishes it would be a Golem, and one is shown for a second before Misty replaces it with a Lapras.

At the beginning of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', [[Raymond]] used a Golem to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Golem, along with the rest of his Pokémon, were defeated by Pikachu.

A Golem belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

A wild Golem was seen attacking a wounded {{p|Houndour}} in ''[[EP150|Hour of the Houndour]]'' but was driven off by [[Ash's Chikorita]].

[[Goneff|A crook]] who appeared in ''[[EP192|The Wayward Wobbuffet]]'' had a Golem.

A group of Golem appeared in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]''.

A Golem was used by [[J]]'s [[J's henchmen|client]] in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts 1]] [[DP072|and 2]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.

Another Golem appeared in ''[[DP170|An Elite Coverup!]]'' under the ownership of [[Bertha]].

A wild Golem appeared as a trap in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'' as a guardian of treasure [[Buck]] was looking for. [[Ash's Gible]] defeated it easily and sent it rolling back into the cave it appeared from.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP036|Golem|Ash's Pokédex|Golem, a Megaton Pokémon. Once a year it sheds its bedrock shell and grows larger.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gravvy.png|thumb|right|150px|{{adv|Yellow}}'s Golem, Gravvy]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
In {{PAV|3}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Giovanni}} is seen with a Golem as the second Pokémon he sends out against {{adv|Red}}. Its best attacks involve its body shattering, allowing it to use {{m|Rock Throw}}.

In {{PAV|7}}, {{adv|Yellow}}'s Graveler evolves into Golem during the final battle on [[Cerise Island]]. [[Blaine]] acknowledges its evolution, as Graveler normally evolve into Golem by trade.

==In the TFG==
One Golem figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Golem|16}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Golem (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Golem is the leader of Team Rumblerock, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Normal Rank]] [[Team#Rescue Teams|Rescue Team]]. It joins a new team designed to travel through [[Magma Cavern]] but is defeated.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|yellowdex=Once it sheds its skin, its body turns tender and whitish. Its hide hardens when it's exposed to air.
|golddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|stadiumdex=Its body, which weighs over 660 pounds, is as hard as stone. It grows bigger by shedding its skin once a year.
|silverdex=It is capable of {{m|Explosion|blowing itself up}}. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|crystaldex=Its rock-like body is so durable, even high-powered dynamite blasts fail to scratch its rugged hide.
|stadium2dex=It sheds its skin once a year. the discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|rubydex=Golem live up on mountains. If there is a large earthquake, these Pokémon will come rolling down off the mountains en masse to the foothills below.
|sapphiredex=Golem is known for rolling down from mountains. To prevent them from rolling into the homes of people downhill, grooves have been dug into the sides of mountains to serve as guideways for diverting this Pokémon's course.
|emeralddex=It is said to live in volcanic craters on mountain peaks. Once a year, it sheds its hide and grows larger. The shed hide crumbles and returns to the soil.
|firereddex=It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
|leafgreendex=Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
|diamonddex=It sheds its hide once a year. Its boulderlike body is so tough, even dynamite can't harm it.
|pearldex=It tumbles down mountains, leaving grooves from peak to base. Stay clear of these grooves.
|platinumdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
|heartgolddex=It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
|soulsilverdex=It is capable of blowing itself up. It uses this explosive force to jump from mountain to mountain.
|bwdex=Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|pinballrs=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Graveler}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 10]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Magma Cavern]] (15F-20F) [[Mt. Faraway]] (10F-19F) [[Buried Relic]] (91-99F) [[Wish Cave]] (76F-79F) [[Southern Cavern]] (40F-50F) [[Joyous Tower]] (74F-79F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Crystal Cave]] (B8-B11)
|ranger2=[[Hippowdon Temple]] [[Altru Tower]]
|scramble=[[Rocky Cave]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]] [[Thunder Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Lava Zone]]
}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 80 |
Attack= 110 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 55 |
SpDef= 65 |
Special= 55 |
Speed= 45 |
type= Rock |
type2=Ground }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Steamroller|Bug|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Selfdestruct|Normal|Physical|200|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|58|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|69|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM64|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|208|Steelix}}|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|095|Onix}}{{MSP|208|Steelix}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|299|Nosepass}}{{MSP|476|Probopass}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}{{MSP|557|Dwebble}}{{MSP|558|Crustle}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|074|Geodude}}{{MSP|075|Graveler}}{{MSP|076|Golem}}{{MSP|185|Sudowoodo}}|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Golem|rock|ground|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|074|Geodude||075|Graveler||Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Golem|Rock|Ground|5|1}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
type2=ground |
ndex=076 |
pinball=Evolve |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-30 |
area=Mt. Deepgreen |
P1=Even dynamite can't shatter my armor! |
P2=Better be careful. My HP's half gone. |
P3=I'm about done... I have no energy left... |
PL=Hm! I leveled up! My armor's grown harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Crush |
loop=16 |
MinEXP=95 |
MaxEXP=145 |
browser=Golem can destroy even big Boulders using its extraordinary strength. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Rock |
assist2=Rock |
field2=Crush |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It {{M|Rock Throw|hurls stones}} to attack. It also opens fissures in the ground. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3= Rock |
assist3= Rock |
field3= Crush |
field3power= 3 |
browser3=It triggers rockfalls to attack |
Pad=Golem sometimes lends a hand with {{DL|Attractions|Blaziken's Boulder Bash}} in the [[Lava Zone]]. He likes to collect shiny things. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=074
|name1=Geodude
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=25
|sprite2=075
|name2=Graveler
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Trade
|sprite3=076
|name3=Golem
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=076|
name=Golem|
}}

==Trivia==
*In [[Generation I]], Golem was the only Pokémon the player couldn't even see without trading. However, its existence was implied by a [[non-player character]] who had just received his friend's {{p|Graveler}}. {{p|Venusaur}} (if the player started with {{p|Charmander}}) and either {{p|Kabutops}} or {{p|Omastar}} would also be missing, but only Golem was definite.

===Origin===
Golem is probably based on a turtle. Turtles are believed to have the world on its back in myths. (Hindu mythology, Chinse mythology and Native American mythology.) Its "shell" may represent the {{wp|tectonic plates}} of Earth.

====Name origin====
Golem's name probably is a reference to the {{wp|golem}}s of medieval and {{wp|Jewish mythology|Hebrew}} legend. Additionally, ゴロゴローン ''gorogorōn'' is the sound of rolling.

==In other languages==
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| From ''geo'' and ''Watz'', an informal expression for a massive piece of stone.
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| A corruption of ''{{tt|gros|big}}'' and ''Golem''.
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| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 딱구리 ''Ddakguri''
| From {{tt|딱딱한 ''ddak-ddak-han''|hard, rigid, stiff, solid}} and {{tt|굴리다 ''gulrida''|to roll or prowl around}}; possibly literally "Hard roller".
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| 隆隆岩 ''Lónglóngyán''
| Literally "Rumbling boulder".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 滾動岩 ''Gwánduhngngàahm''
| Literally "Rolling boulder".
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==External links==
*{{wp|Geodude, Graveler, and Golem|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

==alternately colored pokemon==
ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto its very old i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:If you want to add a new section to a talk page, click the + at the top of the page, next to edit.

:The Kabuto does appear to be a different colour, so I've added it to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of alternately colored Pokémon in other media|a new page for alternately coloured Pokemon in other media]]. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 21:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

:ok cool i have found more aswell if you want me to link them also one of them actually looks different not just the color

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:Yeah that's fine, just link them here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 00:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

:Ok so here a rhyhorn thats more of blue then grey and has pointy spikes instead of usually being blunt http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg and here is a cloyster that is blue instead of a dark purple color http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Cloyster_card.jpg. here is a doduo that is a golden color instead of brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Doduo_card.jpg. Here is a dodrio that is more golden then brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Dodrio_card.jpg. Here is a graveler that has golden fingers http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Graveler_card.jpg. Here is a venomoth that has different colored eyes http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Venomoth_card.jpg. Here is a bulbasaur with different markings on his head http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Bulbasaur_card.jpg. Also iv decided to watch every single pokemon episode so i can help you and play all the games iv got. :)
::I wouldnt say those ones are differently coloured, Rhyhorn's Dream World artwork also shows it to be blue. Sugimori's artwork style varies with each Generation, and in the first Generation, the colours are usually a bit off, likely due to their age. And Venomoth's eyes are yellow because its using an attack (though it has been depicted [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:049Venomoth_RG.png with yellow spots on its wings]). [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 15:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok sure but then isnt it the same with the kabuto?

kybett98 november 2nd 2011
:I'm not sure, as its not just a different shade of colour, it looks like its a completely different colour, though that may be down to it using {{m|Harden}}. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 15:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok iv been watching some of the episodes and in the 1st or second on there is a coo coo clock and a little wooden green pidgey comes out but i wasnt shore weather mention it or not because actually a pokemon

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

==alternately colored pokemon==
ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto its very old i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:If you want to add a new section to a talk page, click the + at the top of the page, next to edit.

:The Kabuto does appear to be a different colour, so I've added it to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of alternately colored Pokémon in other media|a new page for alternately coloured Pokemon in other media]]. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 21:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

:ok cool i have found more aswell if you want me to link them also one of them actually looks different not just the color

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:Yeah that's fine, just link them here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 00:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

:Ok so here a rhyhorn thats more of blue then grey and has pointy spikes instead of usually being blunt http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg and here is a cloyster that is blue instead of a dark purple color http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Cloyster_card.jpg. here is a doduo that is a golden color instead of brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Doduo_card.jpg. Here is a dodrio that is more golden then brown http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Dodrio_card.jpg. Here is a graveler that has golden fingers http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Graveler_card.jpg. Here is a venomoth that has different colored eyes http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Venomoth_card.jpg. Here is a bulbasaur with different markings on his head http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Bulbasaur_card.jpg. Also iv decided to watch every single pokemon episode so i can help you and play all the games iv got p.s im making a pokemon game on a program called rpg xp

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2011-11-02T10:52:14Z

Kybett98: /* Minor alterations */

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been a {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}. Its also resembles the [[Nintendo]] character [[dk:Donkey Kong|Donkey Kong]]}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. While it resembles a seal, this image appeared in magazines ''after'' the release of {{2v2|Red|Green}} so while many fans believe it may have been an early version of {{p|Seel}}, this may not be true because Seel already existed at the time. However, it is most likely a {{type2|Water}} and could have been a scrapped pre-evolution for {{p|Lapras}} or an extremely early version of a member of the {{p|Spheal}} evolution family. In the alpha of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type2|Water}}, and knew the moves Growl, Water Gun, and Tackle. Despite the numbering, it was the Water-type starter in the alpha demos.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Honōguma's name is a combination of 炎 ''honō'' for flame, and 熊 ''kuma'' for bear. Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known. While not confirmed, its name almost definitely means it was a {{type2|Fire}}. It bears a slight resemblance to {{p|Raichu}}, but doesn't share the same type or species of animal (Raichu being a rodent and Honōguma being a bear), so it is highly unlikely it was related to it. Given its name refers to it as a bear, it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family, or, while not a bear, but having the same bipedal stance and being Fire-type, an early version of the {{p|Cyndaquil}} evolution family. In the alpha it was a {{type2|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; and was the Fire-type starter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Fighting
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]This strange creature appeared as art but was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature is most likely a very early version of Hitmontop, possibly before the designers decided to add it to the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also resembles {{p|Clefairy}} and may have been a very early version of {{p|Cleffa}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. Some fans have speculated it may have been an alternative take on {{p|Magcargo}} or {{p|Donphan}} or maybe an extremely early, and different take on {{p|Corsola}} or {{p|Pupitar}}. Also, the fact that it's just a head sticking out of a shell, somewhat resembles that of {{p|Shuckle}}. The Pokémon it most closely resembled was {{p|Squirtle}}, but Squirtle was in Red and Green, which pre-dates the appearance of this image. {{p|Torkoal}} from [[Generation III]], and the {{p|Turtwig}} evolution family from [[Generation IV]] bear the closest resemblance prior to its appearance, but it is highly unlikely they are related. It also bears a striking resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]]. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, directors of development and art respectively at Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based off of the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial." Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it's more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuke
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuke.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwhirl or Poliwrath. Notably it is wearing a crown, similar to the [[King's Rock]] necessary to evolve Poliwhirl into {{p|Politoed}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragonair
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. It isn't known why the design was changed, but without the body and legs, Chikorita would have been significantly smaller than the other two Generation II starters; {{p|Cyndaquil}} and {{p|Totodile}}. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body. There is also beta art of Silver. His hair is shorter and he appears to be closer to Ethan's age.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. Its shell is also much more rounded, making it appear similar to {{p|Golem}}. It also has a much flatter face and more pronounced ears. {{p|Staryu}} is much more geometric in its design without its gem's supporting struts. Staryu closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gastly and Slowbro
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Water
|img=Early Gastly and Slowbro.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gastly (Pokémon)}}[[File:092Gastly.png|70px|right]][[File:080Slowbro.png|70px|right]] {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} Early versions of Gastly and Slowbro. Gastly closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Early Rhydon.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Rhydon (Pokémon)}}[[File:112Rhydon.png|150px|right]] Early sketches of the [[Capsule Monsters]] creature that would become {{p|Rhydon}}, the first designed [[Pokémon]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is a early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Rhyhorn
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Spr_1b_111.png
|img2=Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Rhyhorn (Pokémon)}} [[File:111Rhyhorn.png|right]]Rhyhorn originally had more pointed spikes, as seen in its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]]. Also in its trading card it is shown to be more of a light blue color instead of the usual dark grey.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|250px]]This art of a female {{player|character}} (with {{p|Squirtle}}) looks similar to {{adv|Green}}, as seen to the right. The image was shown on the boxes for the games, as well as in official strategy guides. It is unknown if she was ever intended to be a playable character, like {{ga|Red}}, or if she was supposed to be a supporting character, and act similar to the partner/rival of the player in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}. It is possible she was based on this character, namely due to the near exact resemblance of this character and Green, who later donned the same outfit as this character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]]. The lower artwork additionally raises the possibility of the female character being planned to appear in a [[Generation I]] game, showing that the same character has been used in [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|artworks]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this trainer's role in the games was as she barely resembles anyone. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentliche Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2011-11-02T09:23:12Z

Kybett98: /* Unreleased Pokémon */

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been a {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}. Its also resembles the [[Nintendo]] character [[wb|Donkey kong]]}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. While it resembles a seal, this image appeared in magazines ''after'' the release of {{2v2|Red|Green}} so while many fans believe it may have been an early version of {{p|Seel}}, this may not be true because Seel already existed at the time. However, it is most likely a {{type2|Water}} and could have been a scrapped pre-evolution for {{p|Lapras}} or an extremely early version of a member of the {{p|Spheal}} evolution family. In the alpha of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type2|Water}}, and knew the moves Growl, Water Gun, and Tackle. Despite the numbering, it was the Water-type starter in the alpha demos.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Honōguma's name is a combination of 炎 ''honō'' for flame, and 熊 ''kuma'' for bear. Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known. While not confirmed, its name almost definitely means it was a {{type2|Fire}}. It bears a slight resemblance to {{p|Raichu}}, but doesn't share the same type or species of animal (Raichu being a rodent and Honōguma being a bear), so it is highly unlikely it was related to it. Given its name refers to it as a bear, it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family, or, while not a bear, but having the same bipedal stance and being Fire-type, an early version of the {{p|Cyndaquil}} evolution family. In the alpha it was a {{type2|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; and was the Fire-type starter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Fighting
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]This strange creature appeared as art but was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature is most likely a very early version of Hitmontop, possibly before the designers decided to add it to the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also resembles {{p|Clefairy}} and may have been a very early version of {{p|Cleffa}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. Some fans have speculated it may have been an alternative take on {{p|Magcargo}} or {{p|Donphan}} or maybe an extremely early, and different take on {{p|Corsola}} or {{p|Pupitar}}. Also, the fact that it's just a head sticking out of a shell, somewhat resembles that of {{p|Shuckle}}. The Pokémon it most closely resembled was {{p|Squirtle}}, but Squirtle was in Red and Green, which pre-dates the appearance of this image. {{p|Torkoal}} from [[Generation III]], and the {{p|Turtwig}} evolution family from [[Generation IV]] bear the closest resemblance prior to its appearance, but it is highly unlikely they are related. It also bears a striking resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]]. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, directors of development and art respectively at Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based off of the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial." Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it's more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuke
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuke.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwhirl or Poliwrath. Notably it is wearing a crown, similar to the [[King's Rock]] necessary to evolve Poliwhirl into {{p|Politoed}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragonair
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. It isn't known why the design was changed, but without the body and legs, Chikorita would have been significantly smaller than the other two Generation II starters; {{p|Cyndaquil}} and {{p|Totodile}}. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body. There is also beta art of Silver. His hair is shorter and he appears to be closer to Ethan's age.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. Its shell is also much more rounded, making it appear similar to {{p|Golem}}. It also has a much flatter face and more pronounced ears. {{p|Staryu}} is much more geometric in its design without its gem's supporting struts. Staryu closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gastly and Slowbro
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Water
|img=Early Gastly and Slowbro.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gastly (Pokémon)}}[[File:092Gastly.png|70px|right]][[File:080Slowbro.png|70px|right]] {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} Early versions of Gastly and Slowbro. Gastly closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Early Rhydon.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Rhydon (Pokémon)}}[[File:112Rhydon.png|150px|right]] Early sketches of the [[Capsule Monsters]] creature that would become {{p|Rhydon}}, the first designed [[Pokémon]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is a early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Rhyhorn
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Spr_1b_111.png
|img2=Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Rhyhorn (Pokémon)}} [[File:111Rhyhorn.png|right]]Rhyhorn originally had more pointed spikes, as seen in its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|250px]]This art of a female {{player|character}} (with {{p|Squirtle}}) looks similar to {{adv|Green}}, as seen to the right. The image was shown on the boxes for the games, as well as in official strategy guides. It is unknown if she was ever intended to be a playable character, like {{ga|Red}}, or if she was supposed to be a supporting character, and act similar to the partner/rival of the player in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}. It is possible she was based on this character, namely due to the near exact resemblance of this character and Green, who later donned the same outfit as this character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]]. The lower artwork additionally raises the possibility of the female character being planned to appear in a [[Generation I]] game, showing that the same character has been used in [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|artworks]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this trainer's role in the games was as she barely resembles anyone. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

[[Category:Characters]]

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[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
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List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2011-11-02T08:30:43Z

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There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been a {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Unknown
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. It may be a Bug-type.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. While it resembles a seal, this image appeared in magazines ''after'' the release of {{2v2|Red|Green}} so while many fans believe it may have been an early version of {{p|Seel}}, this may not be true because Seel already existed at the time. However, it is most likely a {{type2|Water}} and could have been a scrapped pre-evolution for {{p|Lapras}} or an extremely early version of a member of the {{p|Spheal}} evolution family. In the alpha of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type2|Water}}, and knew the moves Growl, Water Gun, and Tackle. Despite the numbering, it was the Water-type starter in the alpha demos.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Honōguma's name is a combination of 炎 ''honō'' for flame, and 熊 ''kuma'' for bear. Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known. While not confirmed, its name almost definitely means it was a {{type2|Fire}}. It bears a slight resemblance to {{p|Raichu}}, but doesn't share the same type or species of animal (Raichu being a rodent and Honōguma being a bear), so it is highly unlikely it was related to it. Given its name refers to it as a bear, it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family, or, while not a bear, but having the same bipedal stance and being Fire-type, an early version of the {{p|Cyndaquil}} evolution family. In the alpha it was a {{type2|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; and was the Fire-type starter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Fighting
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]This strange creature appeared as art but was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature is most likely a very early version of Hitmontop, possibly before the designers decided to add it to the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also resembles {{p|Clefairy}} and may have been a very early version of {{p|Cleffa}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. Some fans have speculated it may have been an alternative take on {{p|Magcargo}} or {{p|Donphan}} or maybe an extremely early, and different take on {{p|Corsola}} or {{p|Pupitar}}. Also, the fact that it's just a head sticking out of a shell, somewhat resembles that of {{p|Shuckle}}. The Pokémon it most closely resembled was {{p|Squirtle}}, but Squirtle was in Red and Green, which pre-dates the appearance of this image. {{p|Torkoal}} from [[Generation III]], and the {{p|Turtwig}} evolution family from [[Generation IV]] bear the closest resemblance prior to its appearance, but it is highly unlikely they are related. It also bears a striking resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]]. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, directors of development and art respectively at Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based off of the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial." Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it's more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuke
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuke.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwhirl or Poliwrath.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. It isn't known why the design was changed, but without the body and legs, Chikorita would have been significantly smaller than the other two Generation II starters; {{p|Cyndaquil}} and {{p|Totodile}}. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body. There is also beta art of Silver. His hair is shorter and he appears to be closer to Ethan's age.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. Its shell is also much more rounded, making it appear similar to {{p|Golem}}. It also has a much flatter face and more pronounced ears. {{p|Staryu}} is much more geometric in its design without its gem's supporting struts. Staryu closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gastly and Slowbro
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Water
|img=Early Gastly and Slowbro.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gastly (Pokémon)}}[[File:092Gastly.png|70px|right]][[File:080Slowbro.png|70px|right]] {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} Early versions of Gastly and Slowbro. Gastly closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Early Rhydon.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Rhydon (Pokémon)}}[[File:112Rhydon.png|150px|right]] Early sketches of the [[Capsule Monsters]] creature that would become {{p|Rhydon}}, the first designed [[Pokémon]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is a early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Rhyhorn
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Spr_1b_111.png
|img2=Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Rhyhorn (Pokémon)}} [[File:111Rhyhorn.png|right]]Rhyhorn originally had more pointed spikes, as seen in its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]]. Also it appears that the Rhyhorn from [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] was more blue then grey.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|250px]]This art of a female {{player|character}} (with {{p|Squirtle}}) looks similar to {{adv|Green}}, as seen to the right. The image was shown on the boxes for the games, as well as in official strategy guides. It is unknown if she was ever intended to be a playable character, like {{ga|Red}}, or if she was supposed to be a supporting character, and act similar to the partner/rival of the player in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}. It is possible she was based on this character, namely due to the near exact resemblance of this character and Green, who later donned the same outfit as this character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]]. The lower artwork additionally raises the possibility of the female character being planned to appear in a [[Generation I]] game, showing that the same character has been used in [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|artworks]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this trainer's role in the games was as she barely resembles anyone. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentliche Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

==alternately colored pokemon==
ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto its very old i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon

kybett98 november 1st 2011
:If you want to add a new section to a talk page, click the + at the top of the page, next to edit.

:The Kabuto does appear to be a different colour, so I've added it to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of alternately colored Pokémon in other media|a new page for alternately coloured Pokemon in other media]]. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 21:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

ok cool i have found more aswell if you want me to link them also one of them actually looks different not just the color

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2011-11-01T21:52:48Z

Kybett98: /* Minor alterations */

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been a {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. While it resembles a seal, this image appeared in magazines ''after'' the release of {{2v2|Red|Green}} so while many fans believe it may have been an early version of {{p|Seel}}, this may not be true because Seel already existed at the time. However, it is most likely a {{type2|Water}} and could have been a scrapped pre-evolution for {{p|Lapras}} or an extremely early version of a member of the {{p|Spheal}} evolution family. In the alpha of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type2|Water}}, and knew the moves Growl, Water Gun, and Tackle. Despite the numbering, it was the Water-type starter in the alpha demos.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Honōguma's name is a combination of 炎 ''honō'' for flame, and 熊 ''kuma'' for bear. Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known. While not confirmed, its name almost definitely means it was a {{type2|Fire}}. It bears a slight resemblance to {{p|Raichu}}, but doesn't share the same type or species of animal (Raichu being a rodent and Honōguma being a bear), so it is highly unlikely it was related to it. Given its name refers to it as a bear, it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family, or, while not a bear, but having the same bipedal stance and being Fire-type, an early version of the {{p|Cyndaquil}} evolution family. In the alpha it was a {{type2|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; and was the Fire-type starter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Fighting
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]This strange creature appeared as art but was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature is most likely a very early version of Hitmontop, possibly before the designers decided to add it to the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also resembles {{p|Clefairy}} and may have been a very early version of {{p|Cleffa}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. Some fans have speculated it may have been an alternative take on {{p|Magcargo}} or {{p|Donphan}} or maybe an extremely early, and different take on {{p|Corsola}} or {{p|Pupitar}}. Also, the fact that it's just a head sticking out of a shell, somewhat resembles that of {{p|Shuckle}}. The Pokémon it most closely resembled was {{p|Squirtle}}, but Squirtle was in Red and Green, which pre-dates the appearance of this image. {{p|Torkoal}} from [[Generation III]], and the {{p|Turtwig}} evolution family from [[Generation IV]] bear the closest resemblance prior to its appearance, but it is highly unlikely they are related. It also bears a striking resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]]. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, directors of development and art respectively at Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based off of the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial." Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it's more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. It isn't known why the design was changed, but without the body and legs, Chikorita would have been significantly smaller than the other two Generation II starters; {{p|Cyndaquil}} and {{p|Totodile}}. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body. There is also beta art of Silver. His hair is shorter and he appears to be closer to Ethan's age.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

===Minor alterations===
Main article:[[Rhyhorn]]

Debut [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]]

This [[Rhyhorn]] is from the classic [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]] as you can see its has a blue tint instead of being more grey also its spikes are more pointy and the more up to date ones spikes are blunt. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THIS LOOK NORMAL AND THEN DELETE THIS RIGHTING IN CAPS. [[File:111Rhyhorn.png|100px|right]] [[File:Bandai_Rhyhorn_card.jpg|200px|left]]

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. Its shell is also much more rounded, making it appear similar to {{p|Golem}}. It also has a much flatter face and more pronounced ears. {{p|Staryu}} is much more geometric in its design without its gem's supporting struts. Staryu closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gastly and Slowbro
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Water
|img=Early Gastly and Slowbro.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gastly (Pokémon)}}[[File:092Gastly.png|70px|right]][[File:080Slowbro.png|70px|right]] {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} Early versions of Gastly and Slowbro. Gastly closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Early Rhydon.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Rhydon (Pokémon)}}[[File:112Rhydon.png|150px|right]] Early sketches of the [[Capsule Monsters]] creature that would become {{p|Rhydon}}, the first designed [[Pokémon]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is a early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Blue Versions
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|250px]]This art of a female {{player|character}} (with {{p|Squirtle}}) looks similar to {{adv|Green}}, as seen to the right. The image was shown on the boxes for the games, as well as in official strategy guides. It is unknown if she was ever intended to be a playable character, like {{ga|Red}}, or if she was supposed to be a supporting character, and act similar to the partner/rival of the player in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}. It is possible she was based on this character, namely due to the near exact resemblance of this character and Green, who later donned the same outfit as this character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]]. The lower artwork additionally raises the possibility of the female character being planned to appear in a [[Generation I]] game, showing that the same character has been used in [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|artworks]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this trainer's role in the games was as she barely resembles anyone. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentliche Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto its very old i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon

kybett98 november 1st 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards and can someone tell me how to make a new topic on this page for alternately colored pokemon :)

kybett98 november 1st 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course i have been searching for some more and i found a trading card of a kabuto i was not sure where to request it though here is the link to it http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bandai_Kabuto_card.jpg and this is the page i found it on http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pocket_Monsters_Carddass_Trading_Cards :)

kybett98 november 1st 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Slowpoke guy ==

We're probably goign to need "File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder Adventures.png" "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Solidad's Slowbro Shellder.png", "File:Lorelei Slowking Shellder.png" "File:Slowking anime Shellder.png", "File:Sham Slowking Shellder.png", "File:Arthur Shellder.png", and "File:Prima Slowbro Shellder.png"/"File:Lorelei Slowbro Shellder anime.png".--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:Don't have a clue what you mean, lol. Are you wanting these files moved? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
::No sir, I could do that on my own :P we don't have any files like that and I, for one, think we could use them and have no reliable way of getting suitable ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, right I get you now. I'll do my best with the anime pics, but I don't know much about the manga appearances, but I'll try and find them anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 19:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing templates ==

If you're uncertain how to do something in an existing template, could I please get you to make a mockup in your userspace and preview substituting that on the page, rather than editing the existing template? Editing templates repeatedly stresses the servers, as it has to be updated everywhere it is used every time it is saved. I won't count it towards the userspace limit testing templates like that either (just please don't go overboard). Thanks, and keep up the good work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:Right, I never thought about it updating on every page... Its been removed anyway{{tt|*|no reason given}}, so it doesnt really matter now, but thanks for telling me anyway. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 02:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

Please try to watch what you say in edit summaries. You've had at least two summaries hidden in the last 24 hours because of profanity. This ''is'' a kids site. Let's try to keep what we say Rated E, okay? Thanks! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I do it without thinking sometimes :( I'll make sure that it won't happen anymore though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::Wait, what's the second one? (besieds Lugia (movie 2)? I don't remember any others. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Last night on the Archives, {{u|Kenji-girl}} hid a revision of yours where you dropped an F-bomb. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah right, I remember that now... and the mess of the order the Johto [[Who's That Pokémon?]] <del>is</del> was in. Thanks for fixing it btw. :) [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding Project Globe ==

Your article is coming along nicely, but needs some more information on the anime primarily. Also do try to integrate content from articles such as [[Sky1]], [[ITV1]], [[CITV]] et al as those can all become redirects if this becomes a real article. Let me know if you have any questions or anything! :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

== {{p|Staryu}} ==

Okey... but look at {{p|Starly}}. It's exclusive to White and item template doesn't have field for Black filled-in, unlike the FireRed and Staryu. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm working on [[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:HeldItems|some additions to add to that template]], so that all games the Pokemon is in can be added, and it can clearly state if a Pokemon has a held item in a game or not. The current way of only adding games a Pokemon is legitimately available in can be confusing and misleading. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 20:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Misty's Egg ==

Do you really think we should add Misty's Togepi under those EP articles? May's egg wasn't added in [[AG150]]. I mean, it might be a spoiler for some, and it was Brock's at the time, anyway. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 21:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think its a spoiler, since thats what the summaries are for, but I never thought about Togepi's ownership. Though I think the way you've linked it now is fine. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 22:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. And thank you for updating EP's with everyone's eggs. '''<big>--</big>[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]<big>--</big>''''' 22:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::To add on this conversation, it '''is''' a spoiler when you add it to episodes in which the Pokémon is still in its egg. It is not stated in any of the summaries of pre-hatched eggs what the Pokémon is. Let's say someone who watched [[EP046]] decides to read the article but they had not yet watched [[EP050]]. Yeah... I know that's extremely rare but there are still some people out there who haven't seen it. They are not expecting for what was in the egg to be revealed so obviously.

::Also I don't believe eggs should count as characters or debuts. It's not a Pokémon, ''yet''. I think it's similar if the anime ever decided to throw a pregnant woman in an episode. Would we ever put "Unborn baby" in the characters too? Please, in a situation like this, could you please come and discuss it with me first so I can have an opinion on it? You don't have to do it for everything but preferably anything that involves a new idea and mass updating. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess it makes sense when you use the pregnant example. Sorry about that. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

== Coins from TCG 2 Added ==

Okay, the coins have been [[Coin (TCG)#List of available coins|added]].
 
[[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 17:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2011-11-01T20:49:24Z

Kybett98:

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been a {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. While it resembles a seal, this image appeared in magazines ''after'' the release of {{2v2|Red|Green}} so while many fans believe it may have been an early version of {{p|Seel}}, this may not be true because Seel already existed at the time. However, it is most likely a {{type2|Water}} and could have been a scrapped pre-evolution for {{p|Lapras}} or an extremely early version of a member of the {{p|Spheal}} evolution family. In the alpha of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type2|Water}}, and knew the moves Growl, Water Gun, and Tackle. Despite the numbering, it was the Water-type starter in the alpha demos.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Honōguma's name is a combination of 炎 ''honō'' for flame, and 熊 ''kuma'' for bear. Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known. While not confirmed, its name almost definitely means it was a {{type2|Fire}}. It bears a slight resemblance to {{p|Raichu}}, but doesn't share the same type or species of animal (Raichu being a rodent and Honōguma being a bear), so it is highly unlikely it was related to it. Given its name refers to it as a bear, it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family, or, while not a bear, but having the same bipedal stance and being Fire-type, an early version of the {{p|Cyndaquil}} evolution family. In the alpha it was a {{type2|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; and was the Fire-type starter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Fighting
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]This strange creature appeared as art but was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature is most likely a very early version of Hitmontop, possibly before the designers decided to add it to the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also resembles {{p|Clefairy}} and may have been a very early version of {{p|Cleffa}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. Some fans have speculated it may have been an alternative take on {{p|Magcargo}} or {{p|Donphan}} or maybe an extremely early, and different take on {{p|Corsola}} or {{p|Pupitar}}. Also, the fact that it's just a head sticking out of a shell, somewhat resembles that of {{p|Shuckle}}. The Pokémon it most closely resembled was {{p|Squirtle}}, but Squirtle was in Red and Green, which pre-dates the appearance of this image. {{p|Torkoal}} from [[Generation III]], and the {{p|Turtwig}} evolution family from [[Generation IV]] bear the closest resemblance prior to its appearance, but it is highly unlikely they are related. It also bears a striking resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]]. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, directors of development and art respectively at Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based off of the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial." Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it's more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. It isn't known why the design was changed, but without the body and legs, Chikorita would have been significantly smaller than the other two Generation II starters; {{p|Cyndaquil}} and {{p|Totodile}}. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body. There is also beta art of Silver. His hair is shorter and he appears to be closer to Ethan's age.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

===Minor alterations===
Kakuna

Main article:[[Kakuna]]

[[File:Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg|200px|left]]

Debut[[Pocket monsters]]

[[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards]]

[[File:014Kakuna.png|80px|right]]
The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a Pocket Monsters Bandai card. PLEASE FIX THIS DONT DELETE IT THEN DELETE THIS RIGHTING IN CAPS.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. Its shell is also much more rounded, making it appear similar to {{p|Golem}}. It also has a much flatter face and more pronounced ears. {{p|Staryu}} is much more geometric in its design without its gem's supporting struts. Staryu closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gastly and Slowbro
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Water
|img=Early Gastly and Slowbro.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gastly (Pokémon)}}[[File:092Gastly.png|70px|right]][[File:080Slowbro.png|70px|right]] {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} Early versions of Gastly and Slowbro. Gastly closely matches its {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} sprites.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Early Rhydon.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Rhydon (Pokémon)}}[[File:112Rhydon.png|150px|right]] Early sketches of the [[Capsule Monsters]] creature that would become {{p|Rhydon}}, the first designed [[Pokémon]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is a early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|250px]]This art of a female {{player|character}} (with {{p|Squirtle}}) looks similar to {{adv|Green}}, as seen to the right. The image was shown on the boxes for the games, as well as in official strategy guides. It is unknown if she was ever intended to be a playable character, like {{ga|Red}}, or if she was supposed to be a supporting character, and act similar to the partner/rival of the player in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}. It is possible she was based on this character, namely due to the near exact resemblance of this character and Green, who later donned the same outfit as this character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of [[Pokémon Adventures]]. The lower artwork additionally raises the possibility of the female character being planned to appear in a [[Generation I]] game, showing that the same character has been used in [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|artworks]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a gym badge. This badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this trainer's role in the games was as she barely resembles anyone. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentliche Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

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:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011
:I had actually added Bulbasaur to [[User:Vuvuzela2010/List of Pokémon with gender differences in the anime#Bulbasaur|this page]], but I guess it can also be added to the alternately coloured Pokemon page as well, since Butterfree and Lapras are there too. As for the Red Snorlax, I haven't seen that episode, but since its just some guy in a suit, it probably shouldnt be added, unless it appeared again in the episode under different circumstances (like in a film or something)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

ok thanks maybe you should watch the episode if you want to then change your mind but its up to you

kybett98 october 13th 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe you could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe yo could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98 October 13th 2011

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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==Link templates==
Please utilize {{bp|link templates}} when linking to other articles on Bulbapedia, especially related to moves, Pokémon species, abilities, etc. See the {{bp|list of link templates}} on how to use the common ones. I had to fix two of your edits to trivia you added. An example would be <code><nowiki>{{a|Levitate}}</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>[[Levitate]]</nowiki></code>. Why not go through your contributions list and fix your edits? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 03:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ampersand ==

Hi Vuvuzela. Please use the word 'and' rather than an ampersand (&) in most cases. The only exceptions should be in titles such as "the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}". (Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gobitto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=116053&diff=1279602&oldid=1266725&rcid=1369182 this edit].) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:OK, will do that from now on. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Uhhh, it didn't say grass before.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 17:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Diurnal ==

You know, the page doesn't need to be deleted. You can just create your page there now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wait, I see. You have a page in your userspace to move there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought my page would need to be moved rather than just copied to keep the edit history intact. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Imma leave it to you to correct the links. I'm too tired, and need to sleep right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you make me a sig? and can it look like this? http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki_talk:Sandbox its right at the bottom [[User:Mesuxelf|mesuxelf]] 15:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

:Is this OK?

[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf

:If you want a list of colour codes, {{wp|X11 colour names|they have them on Wikipedia}}.
:If you need it made differently or something, you should reply to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=42393 my forum page], as while I am fine, the admins don't really like this kind of discussion on the wiki. :( '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Bonsly==
What is the justification for creating a Generation III learnset for Bonsly if it didn't exist in Generation III? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Because Bonsly does exist in Gen III]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Okay, so it does. Perhaps what I get for not playing games outside the main. But it isn't catchable in that game. This would also mean that Muchlax would have to get a Generation III page. I'm sure the learnset pages correspond to their official generation debut, thus those pages are not needed, but a reference could be made. Either way, you should at least speak with a higher-up staff member to be safe. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Munchlax is different. Although they both have index numbers, Munchlax was never programmed to be used in battle, and has no box sprite, menu sprite, pc animation, or 3d battle model, and thus is completely impossible to use in battle, and if you try, the game freezes. Bonsly on the other hand, has all of the above, and is essentially just the 387th Pokemon. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Large scale editing ==

Where should I start. Reverse holos. That category is pointless, as EVERY card since Legendary Collection has been released as reverse holofoil. a category for 90% of like 6000 pages is not something that should be done. A note can easily be added onto the holographic page. Secondly, your trivias over different resistances and weaknesses. Vibrava, Lati@s, Flygon, Venomoth, and Beedrill: your trivias over resistance are easily explained by in-game weakness and resistance. The simpler of two viable explanations is always the right one. That's a world known fact about how things work. Large scale projects, especially category based need to be proposed to a Senior Admin or higher, as well as the project leader. Also, your JA rights are on a temporary basis, and they can and will be removed at any time if there are problems with your editing habits. Just thought I should warn you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:The only TCG Weakness/Resistance related edit I have made recently is the one to the [[Colorless (TCG)]] page, about the resistances the Dragon types have during the EX series. I forgot about the ones you mentioned, since they were made at the end of January, though I apologise as I should have remembered to revert them at the time.
:As for the category for reverse holos, it was obviously intended for "proper" reverse holos (e.g Southern Islands), not the ones found in booster packs. I didn't think I would need to run it by an admin due to the limited number of those cards.
:And as for adding the Category:Holographic cards, (like to Dark Slowbro and Metal Energy), I thought that would be fine too, seeing as almost every other card that is holographic is included in that category, though I presume reverting this was just a mistake. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also in addition to {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}} and [[Metal Energy (Special)|Metal Energy]], there was also {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Mew|9}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Meowth|10}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Eevee|11}}, {{TCG ID|Pokémon Center|Captain Pikachu|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}}, {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Roseanne's Research|125}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Armor Fossil|116}}, {{TCG ID|Mysterious Treasures|Skull Fossil|117}}, [[Darkness Energy (Special)|Darkness Energy]], {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Machamp|43}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}, {{TCG ID|Battle Road|Championship Arena|promo}}, {{TCG ID|CoroCoro|Pokémon Illustrator|promo}}, {{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}, and {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Mew|1}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Vileplume|17}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Togepi|4}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Ledyba|7}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Marill|11}}, {{TCG ID|Southern Islands|Slowking|14}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pichu|35}}. All of these are holographic or were later released as a holographic card (promotional), so I added the Holographic cards category, (lthe latter ones had it before they were replaced with the reverse holographic cards category) but by reverting all edits to these pages it was removed. Just thought it would be best to note incase it was a mistake since there were quite a few. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White Version ==

Why did you delete my contribution? Check out [[Rufflet#Gender_differences|the]][[Vullaby#Gender_differences|se]] [[Braviary#Gender_differences|pa]][[Mandibuzz#Gender_differences|ges]] to prove that I am right. --'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 13:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Return my contribution after that.

:Rufflet and Braviary cannot produce Rufflet eggs. No matter how hard you try.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::Did you mean Vullaby eggs?--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 14:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Being up at 10 pm isn't helpin me at all Yeah, I meant Vullaby Eggs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

==Switches request==
I hope you don't mind me requesting something. ^^; You know how to do switches, right? I have no idea how to do them, and the Wormadam page needs one really badly. Do you think you could do that? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course I don't mind. I can start on it tomorrow (I've been working for nearly 12 hours, so I'm knackered, and need my bed). Is there any particular time you want the switch to switch? (like every hour, day, etc.). I could probably do one for Burmy too. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Great! ^^ The time doesn't matter. How often do the other pages (Cherrim, Castform, etc) switch? Yeah, Burmy could be done as well, if you don't mind. ^^ Thanks so much! :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Burmy and Wormadam already switch... Every day to be exact.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::The anime pictures also need to switch depending on the type that's showing. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wormadam's done but Burmy only has the one picture.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only Plant Cloak Burmy appeared in the anime, so that explains that. XP Thank you very much MisterE. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem :) *Stops spamming someone elses Talk Page*.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

ok im so sorry about this post here im new and i dont get anything i was trying to work out how to make a new topic here but i couldn't find out Sorry. So what this is about is List of alternately colored pokemon in the anime i was thinking maybe yo could put May's bulbasaur and the red snorlax from training daze. I know that the red snorlax was not actually a snorlax but when jessie,james,cassidy and butch where told they did not react as if they had not heard of it but i belive there is a legendary red snorlax but of course its up to you i defanatly believe May's bulbasaur should be there though.

kybett98

== Tsk Tsk ==

Never use userspace templates in the mainspace. They have to actually be approved and moved before they are used. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops, I didnt relise. Any idea when they will be moved (I was going to re-edit once it was approved)? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::First, you should make a test page as the talk page for one of them, showing all the different switch outcomes and subtemplates. Then ask an admin about it. We'll likely discuss it privately and leave some time for other people to comment on the test page. No template should be moved from the userspace to the templatespace until it has been thoroughly tested. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, each one would only be used on the pages of their respective Pokemon and its relatives, like [[Template:Evobox/1castoff|Nincada's evobox template]]. So they would always look pretty much the same. {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
::::You need to test each of your new templates, to double/triple check that it works as you think it does, and show us that it does. Even something as simple as changing the outcomes of a switch statement can cause it to stop working completely. It's not so much a matter of us knowing what it will look like, it's a matter of making sure that you haven't accidentally broken something. The discussions us admins will have (privately or otherwise) will be on the concept, as well as the design. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::There isnt any switch involved, but I'll try and test it anyway. Though they were tested earlier on the pages they were meant to be on, if you want to have a look ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%80_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450468&oldid=1430158 Nidoran♀], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450476&oldid=1411674 Nidorina], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450478&oldid=1448882 Nidoqueen], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoran%E2%99%82_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450469&oldid=1391289 Nidoran♂], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidorino_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450475&oldid=1440378 Nidorino], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Nidoking_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=1450477&oldid=1450074 Nidoking], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volbeat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450466 Volbeat], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Illumise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450465 Illumise], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450484 Latias] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=1450483 Latios]). Also, the talk page for Nidoran♀ has the template already. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Nido|Was that really so hard?]] I'll bring it up with the other admins. No promise on a quick decision. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Right, so ''that's'' what you meant by making a talk page (embarrasing). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Roughly how long do you mean? I know these things take time, but obviously I don't want it dragging on for months on end. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry about the delay. Staff I've talked to think that it has value, but it needs to be presented more clearly, and only for the ones that can actually produce eggs (i.e. No Lati@s). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ok, so can the Lati one just get deleted then? To be honest, I don't really know what I'm doing with the Nido one. I don't think there would be any point in showing the other gender's evolutions, for example Nidorino & Nidoking on Nidoqueen's page (since these are not shown on any other branched-evo page, for example Wormadam's), but I dont know what I need to edit in my template first. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warnings ==

When a user does something [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magneton_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=2434&diff=1454530&oldid=1454524&rcid=1554352 this wrong], it's best to leave them a message. This user should at the very least be warned about the preview button, and also about the current trivia rule. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah I wasn't really sure whether that would be major enough for a warning, since although laughable, it seemed to be in good faith. Plus I would have thought it would be generally reserved for Admins to warn another user. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::Anyone can give a warning (though it is preferred more seasoned users do it than newbies), and the warning itself can vary in severity. Although a user in good faith, they still may do something wrong. So in turn, a polite warning would be best. Consider it more of a teaching than a warning. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Neo Premium Files ==

Unfortunately,the correct name of them is the other way around. We used "Neo 2 Premium File" before we started directing time and effort towards correcting all the Japanese release names. {{u|Nuva-kal}} had gone around to some of the cards and corrected them to "Neo Premium File 2", but it was not publicly known that this was going on. (They are the Neo Premium Files 1, 2, and 3 if you have an urge to fix them). Thanks for taking the effort to fix something you noticed was inconsistent; it just happened to be a confusing mess when you tried. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I noticed that all the relevant ''Pokemon (TCG)'' pages all linked to the Neo 2 Premium File, so I just assumed that was the correct one. I'll go and fix them. Also, one thing I want to ask, some of the card pages link to a (currently non existing) Neo Premium File 2 category, yet not to the Neo Premium File category. What should I do about these? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::The only categories used should be [[:Category:Neo Premium File 1 cards]], [[:Category:Neo Premium File 2 cards]], and [[:Category:Neo Premium File 3 cards]]. The other one should be phased out and tagged for deletion. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Tags ==
I was looking at your tabs... Seadra isn't a Dragon type, Kingdra is. Also, Blaziken isn't a Flying type. [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know. I put those there because I count them as 'honourary' members of those types. Like how most people would probably count Gyarados as being a Dragon type. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

There wasn't one. But that pic of dolly looked so inviting on the bulbanews page... haha
''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Native ==

I'm pretty sure the word native here is used to describe the first region in which the Pokémon were introduced. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I've not actually seen this episode, it just looked a bit weird the way it was written. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== About the edit you reverted... ==

The article for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]] says, and I quote: "While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can breed with any male Pokémon in the Bug egg group, Human-Like egg group or Ditto to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs."

I added Volbeat in there because Illumise was in there. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 6:52, 8 July, 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you at the time, but there have been a lot of people adding Volbeat to that page. And it turns out that in Gen V Volbeat can now produce Illumise eggs, so Illumise has also been removed and the trivia point about Volbeat and Illumise has now been updated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== You beat me to it =D ==

I started deleting the aforementioned things because they were once fully evolved. Then I saw the special abilities of {{p|Togetic}} and {{p|Seadra}} in their respected articles, and had to log out before I could make the edits. And yes, Venonat and Remoraid are exceptions.

No problems in my side, you? Also, why not reword and state "Since it was once a fully evolved Pokemon, ---------- can learn Hyper Beam and Giga Impact". Wall of text, lol.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that should be stated, as while it is true of in-game data, canonically, those Pokemon have never been fully evolved. An example is [[M12]], where Probopass appears 1000 years in the past. Though if you want to add it, I won't remove it or anything. And I'm not having any problems over here, thanks for asking though. :) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

::Nah, now that I see them, they don't need edits. You edited them to fit better. Well done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 23:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my message? [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 21:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's not supposed to be asked. The number of edits needed is a secret that only the highest Admins know (that is, if even they know). It's to stop people using Bulbapedia and their userpage as just a Bebo or Facebook. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Stop adding it in. The new sitenotice is to let people know Bulbawikis will be closed. That does not give you the go ahead to go on a trivia adding spree. Unless Deth explicitly says you can fully add trivia, it's still not acceptable. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didnt realise. I'll stop adding them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::Also, you might want to do research into your claims next time...Skarmory has a beak, it can learn Peck and Pluck, and best of all, it can learn Drill Peck by breeding, since Gen II in fact, as well as through the Dream World. Also, Liepard not learning Shadow Force? That's Giratina's signature move, there's no way Liepard will get it. So, please check first into what you're adding. Thanks. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 12:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Though it is a bird, its "beak" does look more like a mouth, like Lugia and Archeops. And Nidoran♂, Goldeen, Maractus, Karrablast and Piloswine can also learn Peck, and Rattata and Zubat can learn Pluck. Unlike these two, Drill Peck's Japanese name actually mentions ''beak'', and is exclusively learned by bird Pokemon. As for signature moves, they come and go. And I'm not really sure why my edits to Bellsprout, Rogenrolla and Victini (though that one wasnt by yourself) were undone (besides the trivia ban). As far as I am aware, Roggenrolla and its evolution dont have eyes, unless the anime has shown otherwise? And the trivia that was added to Karen, Morty and Steven is also on Flint's page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::That thing in the middle of Roggenrola's face ''is'' its eye. Yes it's shown the anime to act like an eye, dilating pupil in all, but it just seems obvious that it's an eye even with out it as Gigalith's eyes are similar. Same with Boldore. I removed the Victini being the only Pokémon whose reason for its placement in the Pokédex is revealed because it's not really important to know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, though in Roggenrola's Pokedex entriy, it does state that the hexagon is its ear, as daft as it sounds. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, late reply, but the Skarmory thing was my bad, it was early morning and I misread it as it not being able to learn Drill Peck, so apologies on that. As for the Gym Leaders, we don't know why they didn't give them certain Pokemon, but it's pretty safe to say for diversity, and it's kinda obvious to say that Karen doesn't have Sneasel or Tyranitar, simply by looking at her party in such. They could have used location as a factor as well, Morty being near Gastly and far away from Mt. Silver, point is it's really not notable to point it out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Before you continue ==

Stop for a moment. Some of them do have that there, while some don't. The staff is going to have to decide what to do in this case. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:OK. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I should add that it doesnt really fit well with some of them (like the starters) which were revealed during Gen IV. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Introduced, not revealed. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it's still a bit ambiguous. Saying it was introduced in Generation V gives the impression that it was never seen before Black and White were released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::::They always reveal Pokemon before their generation, but they are introduced for catching and playing in the new main series game. Togepi was revealed in Gen I, it was introduced in GSC. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::It makes sense for Togepi, etc, but it wouldnt sound right for Bonsly, since from a technical view, it was introduced in Gen III/XD. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

In the APNG Anime Maker, how did you save the combined images? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:I get the images from the episodes by using [http://paul.glagla.free.fr/imagegrab_en.htm imagegrab], resize them (if needed) using [http://www.vcsoftwares.com/ImRe.html ImRe], then open them and save them with APNG. Hope that helps. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::I grabbed a whole bunch of images and placed them on APNG Anime Maker. I clicked on the save button and it gave me a non-animated image on the desktop. Wasn't sure if it will animate properly. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:::They wont animate on the desktop if they are PNG, but they will animate when they are uploaded. If you use Dropbox, move the image to the Public folder then ricght link and copy the public link, then it will animate when viewed in Firefox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You can open images in firefox straight from your computer too. Right click -> Open With, choose Firefox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Never thought of that. Cheers. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Only just noticed this section, but I might as well say that drag the image icon from the folder it is in straight onto firefox and it shows the image animated, which saves time and having to reopen and close firefox.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== That template ==

Sorry I got a little grumpy at you. Something I want to happen across the whole wiki is for all templates to be tested before they put into use, because of their potential to propagate mistakes. Even relatively simple ones, just because some templates (including the recent move template changes) got rushed out without adequate testing, and the damage that can be done by a single typo really showed. So again, sorry about that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== Empoleon ==

As I started looking down the article I noticed that it is black in Anime and art, but navy blue in games. So I'm going to change now it so says it is ether mostly black or navy blue. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== [[Form differences]] and {{p|Basculin}} ==

I made the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Form_differences&action=historysubmit&diff=1505186&oldid=1505181 edit] because the different forms of Basculin have different abilities. Stats and types are the same, however. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I've modified the template to include Basulin's Rock Head, and added the template back to the Form Differences page. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)