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Goh

2020-08-18T05:14:18Z

Kanjo: /* Pokémon */ returned Sobble to 'on hand' per admin decision and "my partners, Raboot and Sobble" comment from JN032

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|name=Goh
|jname={{tt|ゴウ|Gō}}
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|caption=Goh in ''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]''
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'''Goh''' (Japanese: '''ゴウ''' ''Go'') is a {{ashfr|protagonist}} of ''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]'' of the [[Pokémon anime]], and one of {{Ash}}'s [[Ash's friends|traveling companions]]. His goal is to {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} {{p|Mew}}, while his dream is to catch every {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the anime==
===History===
====Pre-series====
[[File:Young Goh.png|thumb|250px|left|Goh at the age of six]]
As seen in ''[[JN001|Enter Pikachu!]]'', when he was six, Goh was invited by his childhood friend [[Chloe]] to go to {{an|Professor Oak}}'s Pokémon Summer Camp with her. During their visit to [[Pallet Town]], Goh and Chloe encountered the [[Mythical Pokémon]] {{p|Mew}}. The two chased after the unknown Pokémon, but it eventually got away in the aftermath of a baby {{p|Kangaskhan}} rescue. Professor Oak later told them the Pokémon they saw was most likely the Mythical Pokémon Mew. Motivated, Goh swore that he would become a [[Pokémon Trainer]] when he turned ten, and one day {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} Mew.

As revealed in [[JN015]], Goh was always alone during his childhood because his parents [[Kurune]] and [[Ikuo]] were often very busy at work. Because of that, he always ended up staying at home alone waiting for them. During that time, he was always distracted by his constant online researching sessions. Despite this, he was always proud of what his family did.

Three years prior, during a family trip to [[Azalea Town]], Goh befriended {{OBP|Tokio|JN032}}, who was looking for the Mythical Pokémon {{p|Celebi}}. Goh offered to help with the search, but as night closed in, the boys promised to meet up again the next day. However, Tokio didn't show up, leading Goh to feel betrayed.

====''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]''====
In ''[[JN002|Legend? Go! Friends? Go!]]'', Goh witnessed a {{p|Lugia}} appearing in the skies above [[Vermilion City]]. He chased Lugia down and managed to latch onto its tail, where he met another Trainer named {{Ash}}. Lugia allowed the boys to ride on its back as it soared through the skies and dived down into the ocean. Having bonded over the sights and the Pokémon they saw during the ride, Goh decided to accept Ash as his friend. After parting ways with Lugia, Goh and Ash returned to the [[Cerise Laboratory]], where they informed everyone about their encounter. Impressed by the information on Lugia that they brought back, [[Professor Cerise]] offered them a position as research fellows, which they accepted. Cerise later allowed Goh to pick from a set of [[Kanto]] [[starter Pokémon]] for his debut as a Trainer, but Goh rejected all of them, stating he wanted his first Pokémon to be Mew.

In ''[[JN003|Ivysaur's Mysterious Tower!]]'', Goh and Ash received their first task as research fellows: to investigate a sudden outbreak of {{p|Ivysaur}} and {{p|Bulbasaur}} in the city. To aid their mission, Cerise had two {{p|Rotom}} enter Goh and Ash's smartphones, upgrading each into a [[Rotom Phone]]. After following the Seed Pokémon to a {{OBP|Gym|GO}} under construction, Goh and Ash were attacked by {{TRT}}, who planned to steal the Ivysaur and Bulbasaur. Despite the powerful Pokémon they received from the [[Rocket Prize Master]], Team Rocket was defeated by [[Ash's Pikachu]] and sent blasting off. Goh and Ash then discovered that the Ivysaur had gone to the Gym to find a high place for them to absorb the sunlight needed to [[evolution|evolve]] into {{p|Venusaur}}. They watched as the evolution process released pollen into the air, making flowers around the city bloom.

In ''[[JN004|Settling the Scorbunny!]]'', Goh and Ash traveled to the [[Galar]] [[region]] to research the [[Dynamax]] phenomenon. While they waited for the train to the [[Wild Area]] to arrive, Goh and Ash decided to eat some scones at a store in [[Wyndon]], only to have their food stolen by a wild {{TP|Goh|Scorbunny}} and its {{p|Nickit}} friends. After Ash battled and defeated Scorbunny, Goh bonded with it, even choosing to lie to the store owner by saying Scorbunny belonged to him when the Nickit stole more of his food. After hearing Scorbunny's backstory from the store owner, Goh gave it words of encouragement before he and Ash left. Goh and Ash eventually made it to their train, completely unaware that Scorbunny had taken a liking to Goh and started to follow him.

In ''[[JN005|Mind-Boggling Dynamax!]]'', Goh and Ash made it to the Wild Area, where they encountered a large {{p|Snorlax}}. Mistakenly assuming its size was due to Dynamax, Goh and Ash tried studying the Sleeping Pokémon, only for Scorbunny to appear and interrupt them. Scorbunny wished to join Goh's team, but it was turned down as Goh still wanted his first Pokémon to be Mew. Snorlax then activated [[Gigantamax]], making its body so large that it covered a nearby train track, putting it at risk of being hit by an incoming train. By teaming up with Scorbunny, Goh managed to get Snorlax to move by luring it with a [[Sitrus Berry]]. Praising its skill, Goh changed his mind about Mew and instead caught Scorbunny as his first Pokémon. After returning to the Cerise Laboratory, Goh introduced Scorbunny as his first-ever Pokémon to Professor Cerise.
[[File:Goh Kanto Bug Pokémon.png|thumb|250px|Goh with all the {{t|Bug}} Pokémon he caught in ''[[JN006|Working My Way Back to Mew!]]'']]
In ''[[JN006|Working My Way Back to Mew!]]'', Goh became inspired to fill up his [[Pokédex]] by catching lots of Pokémon as part of his quest to obtain Mew. Together with Ash, Goh traveled to a nearby forest, where he caught one of each {{type|Bug}} native to Kanto. The next day, Professor Cerise introduced Goh to the Cerise Park, allowing Goh to store any Pokémon he caught on his journey.

In ''[[JN007|Serving Up the Flute Cup!]]'', Ash told Goh to come with him to the [[Hoenn]] {{gdis|Battle Frontier|III|Battle Frontier}}, where he entered them into the [[Battle Frontier Flute Cup]] tournament. Despite having the type advantage, Goh was defeated in the first {{pkmn|battle}} by [[Hodge]] without managing to land a single hit on his opponent. Frustrated by his loss, Goh decided that catching Pokémon was better than battling and ran off to continue filling up his Pokédex. He later returned in time to watch the final match between Ash and Hodge, which ended in Ash's victory. As they returned home, Goh apologized to Ash for his earlier outburst, having come to see battling in a new light through his observation of the final match.

In ''[[JN012|Flash of the Titans!]]'', Goh and Ash watched the [[World Coronation Series]] at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. They watched as [[Leon]] defeated [[Lance]] in the finals and subsequently earned the title of Monarch. Shortly afterwards, a Gigantamax {{p|Drednaw}} attacked the stadium. In [[JN013|the next episode]], Goh and Ash battled Drednaw, but they were unable to harm it until Pikachu was accidentally exposed to Dynamax energy, causing to Gigantamax as well. With guidance from Leon, Ash and Pikachu defeated Drednaw, reverting it back to its normal state. The next day, Goh watched as Ash had an unofficial battle with Leon that ended in the latter's victory. As they returned home, Ash revealed that he planned to enter the World Coronation Series and hopefully battle Leon again in the finals.

In [[JN017]], Scorbunny attempted to use {{m|Ember}} after {{p|Darmanitan}} taunted it for being unable to use {{type|Fire}} moves. Goh told Scorbunny not to bother as he felt its current moveset was good enough. During a battle with Team Rocket, Scorbunny tried to use Ember despite not having mastered the move, but this led to it being defeated by Team Rocket's {{p|Chewtle}}. When Goh criticized Scorbunny for trying too hard, it ran off to go train by itself. Later, after another clash with Team Rocket, Goh finally understood Scorbunny's passion and told it to kick a pebble with its heated-up feet. This allowed Scorbunny to master Ember, who proceeded to evolve into a {{p|Raboot}} before sending Team Rocket blasting off again. When asked to celebrate with a high-five, Raboot simply ignored Goh and walked away.

In [[JN022]], while in [[Littleroot Town]], Raboot stopped a pair of {{p|Zigzagoon}} from stealing Ash's backpack. During their stay, Goh noticed that Raboot had been sneaking out at night, prompting him and Ash to follow it. They discovered that Raboot had befriended the Zigzagoon as well as a {{p|Lombre}} and had been spending the nights giving them dance lessons. When Raboot struggled against a {{p|Loudred}} trio in a dance battle for territory, Goh, Ash, and Pikachu stepped in to provide a beat for Raboot and its friends to dance to, enabling them to win the battle. The next day, Goh decided to leave Raboot in Hoenn, believing it would be happier with its new friends than with him. When Ash asked if he told Raboot first, Goh quickly regretted his decision. To his relief, Raboot had followed them onto the train. Afterwards, Goh and Raboot settled their differences and reconciled.

In [[JN028]], Goh encountered a {{TP|Goh|Sobble}} in Wyndon. He tried befriending the Water Lizard Pokémon, only for it to run away and hide by blending into its surroundings. Frustrated, Goh blindly threw a {{i|Poké Ball}} at the fountain Sobble was hiding in, accidentally catching it. Later, a failed attempt to catch a {{p|Silicobra}} led to Sobble running away. Goh and Ash eventually found Sobble captured by Team Rocket. After hearing Goh praise it despite its timid nature, Sobble broke free from its cage, only to be pinned down by one of Team Rocket's Pokémon, causing it to cry. Sobble's tears kept Team Rocket distracted long enough for Goh and Ash to send them blasting off.

In [[JN032]], Goh returned to [[Ilex Forest]] during another family vacation to [[Azalea Town]]. His anger towards Tokio was resolved when he found a letter from him at the [[Ilex Forest shrine]], which explained why he didn't show up, and then reunited with Tokio as he was passing through.

===Character===
[[File:Goh anime.png|thumb|left|250px|Goh looking at his smart phone]]
Goh is a stylish city boy who prefers to stay calm and collected, in contrast to the more instinctive and adventurous {{Ash}}. His overconfidence has left him mostly isolated, with the exception of his friends [[Chloe]] and Ash. According to Chloe, Goh has been known to skip school to wander around town, much to her chagrin. Despite his calm personality, he can also become hot-blooded when his opinion is challenged, and he will not hesitate to defend others when he sees them being mistreated, which helped him bond with a {{pkmn2|wild}} {{TP|Goh|Scorbunny}} in ''[[JN004|Settling the Scorbunny!]]''. Goh likes to throw his [[Poké Ball]]s with a [[Catch rate (GO)|curve]], but his aim tends to be off. Though he seems athletic, Goh lacks good climbing skills despite his efforts to get better at it. He is also highly knowledgeable about Pokémon, being fairly adept at information-gathering and analyzing, both of which were useful in gathering clues. Despite his deep knowledge of Pokémon, Goh is still a rookie Trainer and lacks experience, best evidenced by his tendency to throw Poké Balls at any Pokémon he encounters, rather than weaken them through battle as is the usual practice. This usually backfires on Goh in the long run. For example, in ''[[JN010|A Test in Paradise!]]'', he recklessly wasted all of the Poké Balls he was given to catch a single {{p|Dewgong}}, which resulted in him being unable to catch the {{p|Dratini}} evolutionary line when he and Ash encountered them. His lack of expertise is also evidenced in his battles, where he shows a tactical, by-the-book approach of exploiting type advantages, but is unable to properly respond against more seasoned adversaries, which leads to a crushing defeat. Goh tends to yell "Go!" when sending out his Pokémon or throwing Poké Balls.
[[File:Goh goal.png|thumb|250px|Goh's goal]]
Goh's encounter with {{p|Mew}} when he was six inspired him to become a {{pkmn|Trainer}}, and he initially wanted Mew to be his [[starter Pokémon]], even going as far as rejecting [[Professor Cerise]]'s starter Pokémon in favor of the [[Mythical Pokémon]]. However, during his visit to [[Galar]], a wild Scorbunny took a liking to Goh as it followed him and Ash to the [[Wild Area]]. While Goh initially politely rejected Scorbunny, he soon changed his mind after working together with Scorbunny to solve a crisis involving a [[Gigantamax]] {{p|Snorlax}} and decided to make the Rabbit Pokémon as his first Pokémon partner instead. Goh and Scorbunny are also best friends as they both dislike losing their other friends, especially one another. Also, Goh and Scorbunny would high five each other whenever something good happens.

Goh shares a very close friendship with Chloe due to him knowing her since they were little. At times, Goh brushes off Chloe's concerns for him but knows that she is just looking out for him. When he was little, Goh only wanted Chloe as his friend and nobody else. However, after meeting and getting to know Ash, Goh realized he needed to have other friends besides Chloe and accepted him as one. Goh's friendship with Ash is very strong, though they sometimes get competitive and annoyed with each other and even butt heads. Ever since the events in ''[[JN003|Ivysaur's Mysterious Tower!]]'', Goh seems to strongly admire Ash for his determination, passion, and compassion for Pokémon, especially the extraordinary bond he shares with his {{AP|Pikachu}}.

===Pokémon===
Because one of his goals is to {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} every {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} and complete his [[Pokédex]], Goh catches a lot of Pokémon species, including multiple of the same [[evolution|evolutionary family]]. Currently, Goh is known to own 56 Pokémon, with 52 unique Pokémon species registered in his Pokédex.

During his research, Goh has access to several of his Pokémon, rotating between them. The only fixed member on his [[Party|team]] is Raboot.

====On hand====
{| width="100%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Raboot|Goh Raboot.png|fire|fir=Scorbunny}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Sobble|Goh Sobble.png|water}}
|
|}

====In rotation====
This list is of the recurring Pokémon used by Goh on his journey.
{| width="100%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Beedrill|Goh Beedrill.png|bug|poison}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Scyther|Goh Scyther.png|bug|flying}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Farfetch'd|Goh Farfetch'd.png|Normal|flying}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Magikarp (giant)|Goh giant Magikarp.png|water|link=Goh's giant Magikarp}}
|}

====Kept at Cerise Park====
{| width="100%"
| {{ActivePoké|Go|{{color|fff|List of Goh's Pokémon}}|Goh party.png|black 2|red|link=List of Goh's Pokémon}}
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|}

====Traveling with====
{| width="100%"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|||nick=Rotom Phone|Goh Rotom Phone.png|electric|ghost|link=Rotom Phone}}
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|}

====Traded away====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Goh
|pkmn=Pinsir
|type1=Bug
|img=Goh second Pinsir.png
|cap=Goh's second Pinsir
|epnum=JN033
|epname=
|vajp=List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Tatsuki Kobe
|vaen=
|desc={{p|Pinsir}} was encountered at {{ci|Vermilion}} Forest. [[Koromi]] originally intended to {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} it for herself, but due to her being trapped in one of {{TRT}}'s nets, Goh was forced to catch it instead. He later [[trade]]d it for one of Koromi's {{DL|List of Goh's Pokémon|Heracross}}.

None of Pinsir's moves are known.}}

====Temporary====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Ash
|pkmn=Pikachu
|type1=Electric
|gender=male
|main=yes
|img=Goh Ash Pikachu.png
|cap=Goh with Ash's Pikachu
|epnum=EP001
|epname=Pokémon - I Choose You!
|vajp=Ikue Ohtani
|vaen=Ikue Ohtani
|desc=In [[JN026]], Goh had {{p|Pikachu}} use {{m|Thunderbolt}} to try and force open a {{p|Shellder}} that a {{p|Slowking}} had placed on {{Ash}}'s head, causing him to act strangely. However, Ash was able to dodge the attack, and the Thunderbolt hit a group of {{p|Slowpoke}} instead.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Goh
|pkmn=Sunflora
|type1=Grass
|img=Goh Cottage Manager Sunflora.png
|cap=Cottage Manager's Sunflora
|epnum=JN032
|epname=
|vajp=
|vaen=
|desc={{p|Sunflora}} was borrowed from the cottage manager to help Goh and {{OBP|Tokio|JN032}} pass through tall grass in [[Ilex Forest]] when they were younger.

Sunflora's only known move is {{m|Razor Leaf}}.}}

===Achievements===
Goh has competed in the following competitions:
* [[Battle Frontier Flute Cup]] - Top 8 (''[[JN007|Serving Up the Flute Cup!]]'')
* [[Pokémon Iceberg Race]] - {{tt|N/A|Race cancelled}} (''[[JN008|The Sinnoh Iceberg Race!]]'')
* Tenth annual [[Magikarp High Jump Tournament]] - Runner-Up ([[JN026]])

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{black 2 color}}|bordercolor={{red color dark}}|textcolor=fff
|ja=山下大輝 ''[[Daiki Yamashita]]'' 真堂圭 ''[[Kei Shindō]]'' (age 6; [[JN001]])
|en=[[Zeno Robinson]]
|zh_cmn=詹雅菁 ''Zhān Yǎjīng''
|fr_eu=Pierre Lebec
|ko=송하림 ''Song Harim''
}}

===Artwork===
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| colspan="2" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:Goh concept art.png|250px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:Pocket Monsters 2019 key visual.png|x250px]]
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| colspan="2" | Concept art by {{color2|fff|Ken Sugimori}}
| Key visual from ''{{color2|fff|Pokémon Journeys: The Series}}''
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:JN005 illustration.png|x250px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:JN006 illustration.png|x250px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:JN009 illustration.png|x250px]]
|-
| Official artwork from ''{{color2|fff|JN005|Mind-Boggling Dynamax!}}''
| Official artwork from ''{{color2|fff|JN006|Working My Way Back to Mew!}}''
| Official artwork from ''{{color2|fff|JN009|Finding a Legend!}}''
|-
| colspan="2" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:Ash Goh White Day artwork.png|250px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}" | [[File:Ash Goh Childrens Day artwork.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" | Artwork for {{color2|fff|wp:White Day|White Day}} by Shūhei Yasuda
| Artwork for {{color2|fff|wp:Children's Day (Japan)|Children's Day}} by Shūhei Yasuda
|}

==In the manga==
[[File:Goh DPM.png|thumb|200px|Goh in the [[Daisuki ♥ Pocket Monsters]] manga]]
===In the Daisuki ♥ Pocket Monsters manga===
Goh appears as a character in [[Daisuki ♥ Pocket Monsters]].

====Pokémon====
{| width="50%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Scorbunny|Goh Scorbunny Daisuki.png|fire|size=200px}}
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|}

===In the Pocket Monsters manga===
[[File:Goh JNM.png|thumb|120px|Goh in the Pocket Monsters manga]]
Goh appears as a main character in {{OBP|Pocket Monsters|Machito Gomi}}, playing the same role as he does in the anime.

====Pokémon====
=====On hand=====
{| width="80%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Raboot|Goh Raboot JNM.png|fire|fir=Scorbunny|size=150px}}
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|}
=====Kept at Cerise Park=====
{| style="float:left; width: 96px"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Scyther|123Scyther.png|bug|flying|size=100px|link=Goh's Scyther}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Weedle|013Weedle.png|bug|poison|size=100px|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Beedrill|015Beedrill.png|bug|poison|size=100px|link=Goh's Beedrill}}
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Caterpie|010Caterpie.png|bug|size=100px|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Parasect|047Parasect.png|Bug|Grass|size=100px|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Darmanitan|555Darmanitan.png|fire|size=100px|link=no}}
|}

{{-}}

==In the games==
===[[Pokémon Ga-Olé]]===
Goh appears as a character in [[Pokémon Ga-Olé]]'s {{ga-ole|Grand Rush set 4}} as part of a tie-in with the anime. Goh replaced the Experienced Trainer that would normally appear in Golden Chance as well as Mister Trade who would normally appear in Trade Chance! He, along with Ash, also appeared as opponents in Trainer and Battle Mode, which was available to challenge from February 24, 2020. This was considerably earlier into the set's duration compared to other sets—the {{ga-ole|Ultra Legend set 4|fourth Ultra Legend set}}, which also featured special opponents in Trainer and Battle Mode, shares this trait. The lineup included one new Trainer class in addition to Ash and Goh, who had their [[hometown]] as part of their name instead of "Pokémon Trainer". Promotional disks could also be dispensed for an additional ¥100 following battles with Goh or Ash, with 'WINNER' versions available to players who successfully defeated their teams. Players facing Goh could receive a {{OBP|Scorbunny|Trainer and Battle}} disk.

====Pokémon====
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! style="height:50px" | Vermilion City's Goh クチバシティのゴウ
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| style="text-align:center" | '''Difficulty:''' ★★★★☆
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{{Ga-OlePokémon|type=Fire|name=Scorbunny|img=813Scorbunny|move=Ember|movetype=Fire}}
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{{Ga-OlePokémon|type=Bug|type2=Flying|name=Scyther|img=123Scyther|move=Fury Cutter|movetype=Bug}}
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{{Ga-OlePokémon|type=Ground|type2=Ghost|name=Golurk|img=623Golurk|move=Earthquake|movetype=Ground}}
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{{Ga-OlePokémon}}
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|}{{-}}

====Disks====
{{TrettaExpansionList/header|Black 2|fff}}
{{Ga-OleExpansionList/entry|P|{{OBP|Scorbunny|Trainer and Battle}} ({{ga-ole|Promotional disks}})|Fire|}}
{{TrettaExpansionList/footer|red}}

==Trivia==
* As of ''[[JN006|Working My Way Back to Mew!]]'', Goh owns the most Pokémon out of all of [[Ash's friends]]. Consequently, he owns the second-greatest number of Pokémon out of all the main characters of the anime, with only Ash himself having more.
* Goh is {{Ash}}'s first traveling companion to be officially classified as a protagonist instead of simply a traveling companion.{{fact}}
* Goh is left-handed.<ref>[https://twitter.com/DogasusBackpack/status/1290991499245576193 Interview confirming Goh as left-handed]</ref><ref>[https://twitter.com/poke_times/status/1293834791238991872 Tweet from the @poke_times account]</ref>
* Goh's catching style is mainly based on the gameplay mechanics of [[Pokémon GO]] and [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], all of which feature catching [[wild Pokémon]] without battling.
* Goh is the first main character to catch a [[giant Pokémon]].
** He's also the first main character known to own a Pokémon with its {{DL|Ability|Hidden Abilities|Hidden Ability}}.
* Goh is the first main character other than Ash to own more than one [[starter Pokémon]] from the current [[generation]].

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{black 2 color}}; border: 3px solid #{{red color}}; padding-bottom: 3px;"
! style="color:#fff;" | Language
! style="color:#fff;" | Name
! style="color:#fff;" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| ゴウ ''Go''
| From ''[[Pokémon GO]]'' and/or ''[[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]''; possibly named after [[Gō Ichinose]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Brazilian Portuguese
| Goh
| Same as his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 고우 ''Gou''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan}})
| 小豪 ''Xiǎo Háo''
| From the Japanese name 豪 ''Gō''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Thai
| โก ''Go''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|}

==References==
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[[Category:Ash's friends]]
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User:Kanjo

2020-08-18T04:54:27Z

Kanjo: Replaced content with "Pokemon Go, main series, anime fan. Not competitive in any game, but purely out of laziness. Typical completionist though. Outside of Pokemon Hometowns are Dublin, Irel..."

User:Kanjo

2020-08-18T04:53:56Z

Kanjo:

Pokemon Go, main series, anime fan.

Not competitive in any game, but purely out of laziness.
Typical completionist though.

Outside of Pokemon
Hometowns are Dublin, Ireland and Shimane, Japan.
Translator (EN-JP) and intercultural consultant by trade
Fan of TTRPGs, music (particularly modern Japanese "rock")

===My Favorites===
I'll stick in pictures later, I just want something here.

Dontcha just love the Diamond national dex, I get to catch all my favorite Pokémon without cheating or even trading...

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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:Spr 4d 470 s.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Leafeon}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT1}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT1}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 74</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Synthesis}}
* {{m|X-Scissor}}
* {{m|Leaf Blade}}
* {{m|GrassWhistle}}
</div>
</div></div>
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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:Spr 4d 148.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Dragonair}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT2}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT2}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 61</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Outrage}}
* {{m|Thunder Wave}}
* {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
* {{m|Waterfall}}
</div>
</div></div>
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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:Spr 4d 277.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Swellow}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT3}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT3}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 68</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Air Slash}}
* {{m|Fly}}
* {{m|Defog}}
* {{m|Pluck}}
</div>
</div></div>
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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:Spr 4d 128.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Tauros}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT4}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT4}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 70</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Earthquake}}
* {{m|Giga Impact}}
* {{m|Rock Climb}}
* {{m|Thrash}}
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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:Spr 4d 277.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Swellow}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT3}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT3}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 68</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Air Slash}}
* {{m|Fly}}
* {{m|Defog}}
* {{m|Pluck}}
</div>
</div></div> }}
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<div style="text-align: center; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
<div>[[Image:351.png]]</div>
<div>{{p|Castform}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT5}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT5}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 60</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Sunny Day}}
* {{m|Rain Dance}}
* {{m|Hail}}
* {{m|Weather Ball}}
</div>
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<div>{{p|Tauros}}</div>
</div>
<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT4}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT4}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;"></div>
<div>Lv. 70</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Earthquake}}
* {{m|Giga Impact}}
* {{m|Rock Climb}}
* {{m|Thrash}}
</div>
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<div>{{p|Empoleon}}</div>
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<div style="border-bottom: 1px solid #999;">
{{#if: {{{OT6}}} |
<div style="float: right;">{{{OT6}}}</div>
<div>Trainer</div>
}}
<div style="float: right;">{{{gender}}}</div>
<div>Lv. 83</div>
{{#if: | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
</div>
<div>
* {{m|Ice Beam}}
* {{m|Drill Peck}}
* {{m|Surf}}
* {{m|Flash Cannon}}
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My Favorites of each type are
*[[Normal]] - '''Tauros'''
(Castform doesn't count)

*[[Fighting]] - '''Heracross'''
(It was close with Lucario but I just prefer Heracross)

*[[Flying]] - '''Swellow'''
(It's so cool isn't it? I was gonna replace it with dragonite but I love swellow and dragonair)

*[[Poison]] - errr '''Crobat''''s pretty cool

*[[Ground]] - '''Torterra'''
(Golem and Onix are pretty good too)

*[[Rock]] - '''Sudowoodo'''
(it HAS to be sudowoodo)

*[[Bug]] - '''Beautifly'''
(hard choice. If scythers anime cry didn't freak me out so much...)

*[[Ghost]] - '''Rotom'''
(I often use normal/flying types against ghosts because they can't get me but I have lots of flying type moves I can get them with. But Rotom is good against flying, water and phychic (only three possible combinations with normal) so people can't use this against me)

*[[Steel]] - '''Empoleon'''
(Slightly tough but Empoleon's also my favorite water type)

*[[Fire]] - '''Flareon'''
(you're gonna see alot of eeveelutions from here on in)

*[[Water]] - '''Empoleon'''
(VERY TOUGH! There's soo many cool water types like Starmie, Kingler, Blastoise, PIPLUP etc.)

*[[Grass]] - '''Leafeon'''
(EASY. Though there are many GREAT grass types like Shaymin and the Bulba, Leafeon is my all time fav. so it gets the win)

*[[Electric]] - '''Pikachu'''
(Pachirisu is close and magneton would be third if I didn't hate it the same way that I hate Bronzor/Bronzong. Don't ya just wish they would die? Plusle and Minun are really cute too.. Electrike is way to 80's for it's own good)

*[[Psychic]] - '''Espeon'''
(cute as a button, a pink one.)

*[[Ice]] - '''Glaceon'''
(whadid I say about eeveelutions)

*[[Dragon]] - '''Dragonair'''
(Coolest back sprite)

*[[Dark]] - '''Absol'''
(that wasn't very hard. most dark types do not appeal to me)

Talk:List of Pokémon with unique base stat totals

2013-01-14T16:28:25Z

Kanjo:

== VERY random question ==

Is there a [[Pokémon]] with a base stat total of 666?--[[User:Jachi|Jachi]] 12:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:No. Kyurem comes closest, though, with 660. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::Actually Kyogre, Groudon, Slaking and Regigigas all come closer, with 670, four points more, while Kyurem has ''six'' less. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 16:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

==Deletion.==
Well, I hate the category, but like the list. I think the category should be deleted. [[User:Mewo|Mewo]] 07:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:Why? The category serves the purpose much better than the list. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::The category will not be deleted as it also shows up on the species pages. The question is whether this list, which is basically the category with a different layout, except it doesn't auto-update, should be kept in addition or deleted. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

==Deletion==
Since this still hasn't been deleted, I'm voicing my opinion. If you look at the category, they are listed in '''alphabetical order'''. Base stat totals are numbers. I disagree with deletion of this page. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 05:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
:I agree with both of these arguments against deletion and believe it should be considered that we have arrived at a consensus. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] ([[User talk:Kanjo|talk]]) 16:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Lilligant (Pokémon)

2012-04-21T00:29:11Z

Kanjo:

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=grass | prevnum=548 | nextnum=550 | prev=Petilil | next=Basculin }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Lilligant |
jname=ドレディア |
tmname=Dredear |
art=BW|
size=139px |
ndex=549 |
udex=055 |
typen=1 |
type1=Grass |
species= Flowering |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=35.9 |
weight-kg=16.3 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Chlorophyll |
ability2=Own Tempo |
abilityd=Leaf Guard |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Grass |
egggroup2= |
expyield=168 |
gendercode=254|
eggcycles=20|
lv100exp=1,000,000|
color=Green |
catchrate=75 |
body=05|
pokefordex=lilligant |
evsa=2|
generation=5 |
}}
'''Lilligant''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドレディア''' '' Dredear'') is a {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon.

She [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Petilil}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Sun Stone}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Lilligant dons a red flower with white spotted petals upon her head; said flower has golden filament with red anther, resembling a crown. She possesses dark green, linear leaves under the flower, and light green, linear leaves underneath the darker leaves. One of the light green leaves, on the back of her head, is about as long as her body and resembles hair. Two light green leaves loosely hang down from her head. Her head and abdomen are white and her eyes are a light shade of red. She has dark green, linear leaves for arms, and a golden {{wp|sepal}} under her neck. She wears a large, light green, {{wp|tulip}} shaped collection of leaves, resembling a dress. There are two long, dark green, linear leaves coming from her back to around the bottom of her "dress". She also possesses another golden, sepal-shaped extension underneath her "dress", resembling feet.

====Gender differences====
Lilligant is a female-only species with no male counterpart.

====Special abilities====
Lilligant has a flower-like crown on her head, which emits a sweet smelling aroma. It is believed to have a relaxing effect when exposed to the scent.

===Behavior===
Lilligant is popular with celebrities. It is very difficult to coax this Pokémon's flower to bloom; however, once it does, if the Lilligant is neglected the flower will wilt.

===Habitat===
Lilligant is a rare Pokémon that lives in the forests of Unova, especially in the [[Pinwheel Forest]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Yuuto Lilligant.png|220px|thumb|Lilligant in the anime]]

===Major appearances===
A Lilligant owned by [[Yūto]] appeared in ''[[BW059|Stopping the Rage of Legends! (Part 1)]]'' and ''[[BW060|Stopping the Rage of Legends! (Part 2)]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Several Lilligant debuted in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom and Black—Victini and Reshiram]]'' during the flashbacks telling the story of the [[Kingdom of the Vale]]. In addition, two more Lilligant appeared in the credits of ''Black—Victini and Reshiram'', where they were frightened by a storm caused by {{p|Thundurus}}.

Lilligant has made cameo appearances in ''[[BW053|A Maractus Musical!]]'' and [[BW069]].

====Other====

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Lilligant (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Grass
|gen=5
|blackdex=Even veteran Trainers face a challenge in getting its beautiful flower to bloom. This Pokémon is popular with celebrities.
|whitedex=The fragrance of the garland on its head has a relaxing effect. It withers if a Trainer does not take good care of it.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
gen=5 |
bwrarity=None{{Sup|Bl}} Rare{{Sup|W}} |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Petilil}}{{Sup|Bl}} [[Pinwheel Forest]], [[Lostlorn Forest]], [[Abundant Shrine]]{{Sup|W}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=grass
|rumble2=Treetops: [[Shimmering Lake]], [[World Axle - B2F]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Grass|
type2=Grass|
HP=70|
Attack=60|
Defense=75|
SpAtk=110|
SpDef=75|
Speed=90}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=grass|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Teeter Dance|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Quiver Dance|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Petal Dance|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|273|Seedot}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}|Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}} {{MSP|188|Skiploom}}{{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}|GrassWhistle|Grass|Status|—|55|20||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Healing Wish|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}} {{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}} {{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}{{MSP|597|Ferroseed}}{{MSP|598|Ferrothorn}}|Ingrain|Grass|Status|—|—|20|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}} {{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|270|Lotad}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}} {{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}}{{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}} {{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}} {{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Sweet Scent|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}} {{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10||||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Lilligant|Grass|Grass|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Petilil|Grass|Grass|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Sleep Powder|Grass|Status|—|75|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Stun Spore|Grass|Status|—|75|30}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Aromatherapy|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Entrainment|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||After You|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|548|Petilil|||||Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5|'''}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Petilil|Grass|Grass|5|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Grass |
ndex=549 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=4 |
rumble2defense=3 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=She serves {{p|Serperior}}. She originally lived in the [[Cove Area]]. Although she likes the [[Arbor Area]], she misses the sound of waves. |
Park2strong=[[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]] |
Park2weak=[[File:Pikachu icon.png|link=Pikachu (Pokémon)]][[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]] |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=548
|name1=Petilil
|type1-1=Grass
|evotype1=Stone
|evostone1=Sun Stone
|sprite2=549
|name2=Lilligant
|type1-2=Grass
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=grass |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Lilligant |
ndex=549 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Lilligant is the only non-{{type|Bug}} Pokémon that learns {{m|Quiver Dance}}.
* Lilligant is the only Pokémon that can use {{m|Petal Dance}} without becoming {{status|Confusion|Confused}}, providing she has the {{a|Own Tempo}} [[Ability]], except Smeargle, which can also learn {{m|Petal Dance}} via Sketch and can have Own Tempo.

===Origin===
Though Lilligant's flower is similar in appearance to the {{wp|rafflesia}}, its relaxing smell makes it more likely to be based on either an {{wp|Orange (fruit)|orange}}, {{wp|pomelo}}, {{wp|mandarin orange}}, or {{wp|Dianthus|carnation's flowers}}, all of which are used in {{wp|essential oil}}s for {{wp|aromatherapy}}. Because of this, the leaves of its body may also have been based on other essential oil ingredients, such as {{wp|spearmint}} and/or {{wp|peppermint}}. Her crown and regal attire may be a reference to {{wp|1750–1795 in fashion#Women's fashion|high class or royal women's fashion in the late 1700's}}. She could also be based on a dancer, since she learns only moves with the word Dance in them via level up, excluding moves she knows from the start.

====Name origin====
Lilligant likely combines ''lily'' and ''elegant''. Dredear may come from ドレス ''dress'', ディア ''dear'', レディ ''lady'' and possibly the flower genus {{wp|Dianthus}}.

==In other languages==
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|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Grass color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Dressella
| From ''dress'' and ''{{tt|bella|Italian for 'beautiful'}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Fragilady
| From ''fragrance'' and ''lady''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 드레디어 ''Deuredieo''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 裙兒小姐 / 裙儿小姐 ''Qún'érxiǎojiě''
|From {{tt|裙 ''qún''|skirt; dress}}, {{tt|兒 ''ér''|child}}, and {{tt|小姐 ''xiǎojiě''|young lady}}.
|}
|-
|}
 

==External links==
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{{Project Pokédex notice}}

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Phenomenon

2011-08-01T01:22:23Z

Kanjo:

{{incomplete|needs=images}}
'''Phenomena''' are a game mechanic introduced in [[Generation V]]. It is a different means of encountering [[wild Pokémon]], and in some cases [[item]]s. There are four types of phenomenon: rustling grass, dust clouds, flying Pokémon's shadows, and rippling water. Some Pokémon can only be obtained via this method. Phenomena will only appear after the {{player}} has the {{badge|Trio}}.

Phenomena will continue to exist off-screen and when the player accesses their game menus. They do not vanish until they are entered into unless the player enters a battle, picks up an item, interacts with an [[Non-player character|NPC]], or exits the area entirely. One will also vanish if a walking NPC steps on it.  Saving before entering a phenomenon will not preserve the phenomenon upon reset.

The easiest way to tell if a phenomenon is occurring at a given time is if there is a particular sound played on top of all of the other audio; however, visual indications will also appear.

==Rustling grass==
Rustling grass is a phenomenon that only occurs in [[tall grass]]. Rustling grass allows the encounter of a [[wild Pokémon]]. {{p|Audino}} can be found in any patch of rustling grass. Various other Pokémon, such as the [[elemental monkeys]] in [[Pinwheel Forest]], can be found in rustling grass, but usually at a lower encounter rate than Audino. This phenomenon does not occur in {{DL|Tall grass|dark grass}}, but it does in {{DL|Tall grass|long grass}}.

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/light|land}};"
|-
! colspan="4" align="center" style="{{roundytop|5px}} background: #{{locationcolor/med|land}}"|Possible encounters
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|012|Butterfree}}
| {{pcolor|Butterfree|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{pcolor|Beedrill|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|036|Clefable}}
| {{pcolor|Clefable|000}}
| {{MSP|038|Ninetales}}
| {{pcolor|Ninetales|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|040|Wigglytuff}}
| {{pcolor|Wigglytuff|000}}
| {{MSP|169|Crobat}}
| {{pcolor|Crobat|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|192|Sunflora}}
| {{pcolor|Sunflora|000}}
| {{MSP|248|Tyranitar}}
| {{pcolor|Tyranitar|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|376|Metagross}}
| {{pcolor|Metagross|000}}
| {{MSP|416|Vespiquen}}
| {{pcolor|Vespiquen|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|429|Mismagius}}
| {{pcolor|Mismagius|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|430|Honchkrow}}
| {{pcolor|Honchkrow|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}
| {{pcolor|Tangrowth|000}}
| {{MSP|472|Gliscor}}
| {{pcolor|Gliscor|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|473|Mamoswine}}
| {{pcolor|Mamoswine|000}}
| {{MSP|508|Stoutland}}
| {{pcolor|Stoutland|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|511|Pansage}}
| {{pcolor|Pansage|000}}
| {{MSP|513|Pansear}}
| {{pcolor|Pansear|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|515|Panpour}}
| {{pcolor|Panpour|000}}
| {{MSP|518|Musharna}}
| {{pcolor|Musharna|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|521|Unfezant}}
| {{pcolor|Unfezant|000}}
| {{MSP|521F|Unfezant}}
| {{pcolor|Unfezant|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|531|Audino}}
| {{pcolor|Audino|000}}
| {{MSP|538|Throh}}
| {{pcolor|Throh|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|539|Sawk}}
| {{pcolor|Sawk|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|542|Leavanny}}
| {{pcolor|Leavanny|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}
| {{pcolor|Whimsicott|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
| {{MSP|549|Lilligant}}
| {{pcolor|Lilligant|000}}{{sup|W}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|573|Cinccino}}
| {{pcolor|Cinccino|000}}
| {{MSP|576|Gothitelle}}
| {{pcolor|Gothitelle|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}};" align="center"
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|579|Reuniclus}}
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}}; | {{pcolor|Reuniclus|000}}{{sup|W}}
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}}; | {{MSP|587|Emolga}}
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{pcolor|Emolga|000}}
|}

==Dust cloud==
[[File:Dust cloud.png|thumb|200px|A dust cloud in [[Chargestone Cave]]]]
Dust clouds are a phenomenon that only occurs in [[cave]]s. It may reveal held items, [[evolutionary stone]]s, or {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Drilbur}} and {{p|Excadrill}}.

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/dark|cave}}; border:3px solid #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};"
|-
! colspan="4" align="center" style="{{roundytop|5px}} background: #{{locationcolor/med|cave}}"|Possible encounters
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Fire Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Fire Gem|Fire Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Normal Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Normal Gem|Normal Gem}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Water Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Water Gem|Water Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Everstone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Everstone|Everstone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Electric Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Electric Gem|Electric Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Moon Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stone#Moon Stone|Moon Stone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Grass Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Grass Gem|Grass Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Sun Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Sun Stone|Sun Stone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Ice Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Ice Gem|Ice Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Fire Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Fire Stone|Fire Stone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Fighting Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Fighting Gem|Fighting Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Water Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Water Stone|Water Stone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Poison Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Poison Gem|Poison Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Thunderstone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Thunderstone|Thunderstone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Ground Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Ground Gem|Ground Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Leaf Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Leaf Stone|Leaf Stone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Flying Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Flying Gem|Flying Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Shiny Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Shiny Stone|Shiny Stone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Psychic Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Psychic Gem|Psychic Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Dusk Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Dusk Stone|Dusk Stone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Bug Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Bug Gem|Bug Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Dawn Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolutionary stones#Dawn Stone|Dawn Stone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Rock Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Rock Gem|Rock Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Hard Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Type-enhancing item#Hard Stone|Hard Stone}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Ghost Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Ghost Gem|Ghost Gem}}
| [[File:Bag Oval Stone Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Evolution-inducing held item#Oval Stone|Oval Stone}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Dragon Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Dragon Gem|Dragon Gem}}
| {{MSP|529|Drilbur}}
| {{pcolor|Drilbur|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Dark Gem Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Gem#Dark Gem|Dark Gem}}
| {{MSP|530|Excadrill}}
| {{pcolor|Excadrill|000}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Steel Gem Sprite.png]]
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" | {{color2|000|Gem#Steel Gem|Steel Gem}}
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}};" |
| style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" |
|}

==Flying Pokémon's shadow==
Flying Pokémon's shadows are a phenomenon that only occurs on [[Driftveil Drawbridge]] and [[Marvelous Bridge]]. They may reveal [[wing]]s or {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Ducklett}} and {{p|Swanna}}.

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/dark|road}}; border:3px solid #{{locationcolor/light|road}};"
|-
! colspan="4" align="center" style="{{roundytop|5px}} background: #{{locationcolor/med|road}}"|Possible encounters
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|580|Ducklett}}
| {{pcolor|Ducklett|000}}
| {{MSP|581|Swanna}}
| {{pcolor|Swanna|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|road}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Health Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Health Wing|Health Wing}}
| [[File:Bag Muscle Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Muscle Wing|Muscle Wing}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Resist Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Resist Wing|Resist Wing}}
| [[File:Bag Genius Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Genius Wing|Genius Wing}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|road}};" align="center"
| [[File:Bag Clever Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Clever Wing|Clever Wing}}
| [[File:Bag Swift Wing Sprite.png]]
| {{color2|000|Wing#Swift Wing|Swift Wing}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Pretty Wing Sprite.png]]
| style="background: #fff;" | {{color2|000|Wing#Pretty Wing|Pretty Wing}}
| style="background: #fff;" |
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" |
|}

==Rippling water==
[[File:Rippling water.png|thumb|200px|Rippling water on {{rt|11|unova}}]]
Rippling water is a phenomenon that only occurs on [[water tile]]s. Rippling water allows the encounter of a [[wild Pokémon]] when {{m|Surf}}ed on or [[Fishing|fished]] in. While {{p|Basculin}}'s [[Form differences#Basculin|Red-Striped form]] is usually only found in Black, and its Blue-Striped form is usually only found in White, the Basculin form that does not appear under normal circumstances in that game can be found in rippling water.

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/dark|water}}; border:3px solid #{{locationcolor/light|water}};"
|-
! colspan="4" align="center" style="{{roundytop|5px}} background: #{{locationcolor/med|water}}"|Possible encounters (Surfing)
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}
| {{pcolor|Slowpoke|000}}
| {{MSP|080|Slowbro}}
| {{pcolor|Slowbro|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|086|Seel}}
| {{pcolor|Seel|000}}
| {{MSP|087|Dewgong}}
| {{pcolor|Dewgong|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|120|Staryu}}
| {{pcolor|Staryu|000}}
| {{MSP|121|Starmie}}
| {{pcolor|Starmie|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|131|Lapras}}
| {{pcolor|Lapras|000}}
| {{MSP|199|Slowking}}
| {{pcolor|Slowking|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|222|Corsola}}
| {{pcolor|Corsola|000}}
| {{MSP|226|Mantine}}
| {{pcolor|Mantine|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|320|Wailmer}}
| {{pcolor|Wailmer|000}}
| {{MSP|321|Wailord}}
| {{pcolor|Wailord|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|364|Sealeo}}
| {{pcolor|Sealeo|000}}
| {{MSP|365|Walrein}}
| {{pcolor|Walrein|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|418|Buizel}}
| {{pcolor|Buizel|000}}
| {{MSP|419|Floatzel}}
| {{pcolor|Floatzel|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|550|Basculin}}
| {{pcolor|Basculin|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|550B|Basculin}}
| {{pcolor|Basculin|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|593|Jellicent}}
| {{pcolor|Jellicent|000}}
| {{MSP|593F|Jellicent}}
| {{pcolor|Jellicent|000}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}};" | {{MSP|594|Alomomola}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{pcolor|Alomomola|000}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MSP|537|Seismitoad}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}};" | {{pcolor|Seismitoad|000}}

|}

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/dark|water}}; border:3px solid #{{locationcolor/light|water}};"
|-
! colspan="4" align="center" style="{{roundytop|5px}} background: #{{locationcolor/med|water}}"|Possible encounters (Fishing)
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|061|Poliwhirl}}
| {{pcolor|Poliwhirl|000}}
| {{MSP|062|Poliwrath}}
| {{pcolor|Poliwrath|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|090|Shellder}}
| {{pcolor|Shellder|000}}
| {{MSP|091|Cloyster}}
| {{pcolor|Cloyster|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|099|Kingler}}
| {{pcolor|Kingler|000}}
| {{MSP|117|Seadra}}
| {{pcolor|Seadra|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|118|Goldeen}}
| {{pcolor|Goldeen|000}}
| {{MSP|119|Seaking}}
| {{pcolor|Seaking|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|147|Dratini}}
| {{pcolor|Dratini|000}}
| {{MSP|148|Dragonair}}
| {{pcolor|Dragonair|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|149|Dragonite}}
| {{pcolor|Dragonite|000}}
| {{MSP|186|Politoed}}
| {{pcolor|Politoed|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|211|Qwilfish}}
| {{pcolor|Qwilfish|000}}
| {{MSP|224|Octillery}}
| {{pcolor|Octillery|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|230|Kingdra}}
| {{pcolor|Kingdra|000}}
| {{MSP|318|Carvanha}}
| {{pcolor|Carvanha|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|319|Sharpedo}}
| {{pcolor|Sharpedo|000}}
| {{MSP|339|Barboach}}
| {{pcolor|Barboach|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|340|Whiscash}}
| {{pcolor|Whiscash|000}}
| {{MSP|349|Feebas}}
| {{pcolor|Feebas|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|350|Milotic}}
| {{pcolor|Milotic|000}}
| {{MSP|367|Huntail}}
| {{pcolor|Huntail|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|368|Gorebyss}}
| {{pcolor|Gorebyss|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|369|Relicanth}}
| {{pcolor|Relicanth|000}}
|- style="background: #fff;" align="center"
| {{MSP|370|Luvdisc}}
| {{pcolor|Luvdisc|000}}
| {{MSP|457|Lumineon}}
| {{pcolor|Lumineon|000}}
|- style="background: #{{locationcolor/light|water}};" align="center"
| {{MSP|550|Basculin}}
| {{pcolor|Basculin|000}}{{sup|W}}
| {{MSP|550B|Basculin}}
| {{pcolor|Basculin|000}}{{sup|Bl}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}};" | {{MSP|618|Stunfisk}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{pcolor|Stunfisk|000}}
| style="background: #fff;" |
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}};" |
|}

{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Game mechanics]]

[[de:Seltene Pokémon]]

Talk:Weak Armor (Ability)

2011-07-11T23:30:09Z

Kanjo:

The flavour text and our description of what the ability does contradict each other. And the description isn't written very well. I'm thinking it should say: "Broken Armor causes physical attacks to lower the Pokémon's Defense and increase its Speed stat." I'm not sure about this, so I'll just leave it on the talk page for now. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|^_^]] 01:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

: It's still ambiguous to me. Does the stat change happen when the user uses a physical move, or when a physical move is used against them? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 23:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Kudakeru is the protential form of kudaku, which means to break, so this ability should be Breakable Armor, not Broken Armor.[[User:Louisng114|Louisng114]] 06:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry for replying to an old discussion but just in case someone decides to take this advice, kudaku is the transitive form which means "break (something)" as opposed to the intransitive kudakeru meaning "become broken". Kudakeru could also be the potential of kudaku but that would translate as "armor which could break (other things)", "breakable" is kudakerareru. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 23:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Elite Four

2010-11-12T13:53:40Z

Kanjo: /* gen v rematch addons */ new section

Where are the sprites of Will and Karen from? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Probably Pie. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, they're from Exotorchic (I apologize if I misspelled that). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani490MS.gif]] 01:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ah. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::But aren't they fake? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::Better than the older G/S sprites, I think. Sure it's fake, but it blends in better with the two FR/LG sprites. Besides, the older G/S ones are a little... low on the colors. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 20:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's true [[User:Yinyang1195|Rahin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Talk]] 21:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, those sprites are by Coronis. They're from Serebii.net's manga bios section. I hope we have permission to use them... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why we're using the FR/LG sprites (and some fan-made ones as well) in the GSC section when we use the game-specific sprites in ''every other trainer class''. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark - Ghost - Ice - Dragon = Dark beats Ghost, Ghost doesn't beat any type here or is resistant to any, Ice beats Dragon, Dragon does not have a type advantage

Bug - Ground - Fire - Psychic = Bug beats Psychic, Ground beats Fire, Fire beats Bug, Psychic has no advantage.

So technically, if Generation III has a missing link (Ghost and Ice), and considering Generation IV does not have a consistent relationship (i.e. the type before beats the previous or the type after beats next type) and also has a missing link (Psychic)then shouldn't both Generations' Elite Fours' types be considered to have a relationship? They're both pretty loose relationships.

== Needs to be less ambiguous ==

From the article:
*[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and]] [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] are the only games in the series where only the champion has Pokémon of a different type. Though [[Wallace]] is the champion in Emerald and all his Pokémon are {{t|water}}.
This needs to be made clearer. If by "different type" it means "not one consistent type", then Emerald shouldn't be included, but all of the Kanto and Sinnoh games should. I can't see any meaning of the phrase which would only include the Hoenn games and nothing else. But I'm posting it here before editing in case I've misunderstood. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lance's Deviation from Dragon-types. ==

In Generation II, Lance has a Charizard (Fire/Flying-type) even though he is a Dragon-type trainer. I added that to the Trivia. [[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 22:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:Due to the lack of X-type Pokemon, the Generation II Elite Four often has Y-type Pokemon with X-type characteristics. See whats-her-face and the Vileplume, and Bruno with half of his. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

==Note==
I seem to notice that {{game|Crystal}}'s the only game not mentioned on the Generation II and IV section for the Johto Elite Four. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:It is now. [[User:Diablocon|Diablocon]] 17:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Challenge Sprites ==

For Generation I elite four members, we don't have any challenge sprites for them, because the game hasn't provided them yet. But can't we use Lance's, Bruno's, and Blue's challenge sprites from Generation IV? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. That would be messy because not all Generation I E4s have the sprite. The VS sprites also show them three years older. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::It makes sense when you put it like that... Let's hope that they re-remake them so it doesn't look weird...----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 15:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== (Trainer class) ==

I don't think we need that. They're more than a trainer class. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, some pages got moved in the excitement of it all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu==
We'll, technically there's no correct order. So, shouldn't we make their sequence something randomly generated? - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Types==
"Of all 17 elemental types, each type has been represented by an Elite Four member or Champion with the exception of the Electric-type. "
This misinformation is so bizarre that I didn't want to delete it, as someone must have a reason to believe it. Normal? Rock? Grass? Am I misunderstanding this? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 14:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:Flint has a Lopunny, Bruno has an Onix, and Cynthia has a Roserade.

Even so, the trivia's wrong. Blue can have Jolteon in Yellow.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 14:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::OH, 'represented' in that fashion. I thought it meant as the leader's favoured type. I'd suggest we improve the wording, but the Jolteon thing trumps it anyway. [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 15:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Psuedo-legendary Pokémon==
Is it worth noting that the Isshu Elite Four/Champion is the only one not to use a psuedo-legendary Pokémon anywhere in their parties on the first battle? --[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 01:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do we need...? ==

First, do we really need the Pokémon list for each member? And the Japanese name? (Except for the Isshu ones for now, of course.) It's information that's better suited for each character's individual page (and of course it's already there), and it just seems to serve as a way to make the tables bigger so they don't look too thin on the page. I suggest we just drop both of those and leave only sprite,( English) name, and specialty type, and make the tables horizontal (sort of like the templates we already use, but with the type).
Less trivially, should we include the [[Champion]]s here? AFAIK they're not actually members of the Elite Four, and they ''do'' have their own page...s (We should do something about that too.) --'''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:What's wrong with their original names being there? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with both Memo and Ataro, I think that we should drop the Pokemon Lists (sprites) for each member, as they are just taking up space. However, I think that we should leave the Japanese names there. The games originate in Japan, so having their Japanese (original) names there is important. Also I think that we should include the Champions here, as they need to be battled to defeat the game, and are therefore, honorary members of the Elite Four (and sometimes former members of the Elite Four). So in closing, I think that we should include their Sprite, Japanese Name, English Name, and Specialty Type. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 00:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Not taking either side here, but some people just type in "Elite Four" when looking for information and trying to beat their game. The party lists save them the trouble of clicking to get to the individual pages.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== gen v rematch addons ==

in the rematches vs the isshu elite four, they each get one gen iii pokémon and one gen iv pokémon, with the exception of shikimi who has frosslass (which is from a gen iii family) instead. also pre-rematch rembu's team is all pure fighting, that's a first right? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Duosion (Pokémon)

2010-11-12T13:07:48Z

Kanjo: /* origin + name origin speculation */

== origin + name origin speculation ==

we've already got that it's based on a cell/growing human, but no one has connected that to it's name. I believe it's name Daburan (containing "double") is referencing either mitosis (less likely) or Daburan being a zygote (very likely), backed up by Yuniran containing "uni". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

:Btw "ran", which is suggested to mean "spawn" should be "egg" (Japanese kanji are often listed as having many various meanings; however, when the character is on it's own, it usually only means one or two of these. 卵 is supposedly "spawn", but that meaning is only obtained in combinations with other kanji. Alone, the character pretty exclusively means "egg") [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:07, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Duosion (Pokémon)

2010-11-12T12:58:36Z

Kanjo: origin + name origin speculation

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

2010-10-24T20:26:58Z

Kanjo: /* Bulbanews */

This is the {{bp|talk page}} for the Bulbapedia's front page. If you have a general comment about the wiki, please consider placing it in [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 our forum].'''

== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]

== Pokémon cries? ==
Should we add Pokémon cries to the Pokémon articles?--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's been tried before, but it caused too many problems. It would still probably cause too much problems now.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10#Pokémon Cries|This has been discussed to death already.]] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::We're going to try to get them put in as soon as possible. They've been sitting in a directory on the server for... jeez, at least a year. Last time we tried to put them in, the server exploded. Archaic's been wary of doing it since then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just out of curiosity, what file format was used for the cries? That may have been the problem.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Over at de:, we have mp3 with the following syntax: <nowiki>{{#mp3:http://www.greenchu.de/nakigoe/025.mp3}}</nowiki>. I cannot figure out where that parser functions comes from, though.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think having the files like [http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/#music Floatzel.net] have their music files could work well. We might even eventually be able to put route/town/cave music on the pages!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move Trivia ==

Should there be a trivia section for moves? For instance, only one Pokémon can learn [[Steel Wing]] by leveling up.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:There are for some moves, but not all of them have any notable trivia to add, so there is no sub heading. If you think of '''notable''' trivia, then add the sub-heading and put it in. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon ==

Hi there. I remember when I was around nine, I used to play Pokémon Gold & Crystal, and I remember there was this cloning trick that could clone pokémon and the items that they held. Anyways, I began to notice if I did the right trick at a certain time, (or whatever it was, it has been a while) I managed to get a special type of Pokémon, the trainer. The trainer of course, had no moves and therefore could only struggle, but you could use TMs and everything. I remember having fun with that, but I can't find any info on this.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Bublador}} ([[User talk:Bublador|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bublador|contribs]]) ''

Try this page, all of the glitches are on [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glitches#All_Generations]] and please sign your comment when you use these talk pages. thank you --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I'm just thinking if on every Pokémon's page that we have their Pronunciation somewhere? like this:

Say: Sin-da-qwil

What do you think?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's a good idea, but I believe we've had problems with adding pronunciations in the past because of people not agreeing on the "correct" pronunciation (also, sometimes there are conflicting pronunciations from different official sources) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh oh then. I just though because some Pokémon I can't pronounce their names--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If you have a look at the source of, say, Bulbasaur's page, you'll see this:
<pre>{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''.
Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
</pre>

the "pron=" parameter is not coded into the infobox, so it does appear. But it's there on every Pokemon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's coded in but because of the disagreements on pronunciation and no clear official source for many of them, it was decided to hide them all. If Nintendo or anyone ever releases an official pronunciation guide then we'll be able to put them back up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is whatever the pronunciation is in the English dub of the anime (and similarly the pronunciation in the Japanese dub for those not yet released over here) not enough to justify it? With the exception of the odd time where they've actually changed the pronunciation during it e.g. Regice... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork?! ==

I hate to be the silly one who starts the "What's going on?!!" discussion, but seriously, why have all the pictures of the Generation I Pokémon been changed to the old Red and Green artwork? Is it for an aniversary or something? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Anniversary of RB was yesterday, so Gen I Pokémon got Gen I art. But due to the server cache it took some a while to switch over, and I believe they should all be starting to switch back now, but again, that'll be whenever the server cache gets updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 11:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, maybe it could be put on a switch, like with Gastrodon's forms, so it could switch between old and new artwork periodically. How's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what it did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so it's still in effect? As in, like, permanently? Because that was what I was suggesting. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, next year and on certain other days the site will have easter egg effects. Yaaaay for surprises. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I won't panic when the Gym Leader pictures are replaced by fan art then... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== just a though... ==

i realise this is probably in the wrong place, but, as unlocking the generation IV nationaldex and requesting a trade on the GTS require only seeing a particular species of pokémon, would it make sense to include a section explaining where to see them. (and i am aware that the GTS has only around a week left). I know that people (granted they are few) have had problems viewing unown and riolu in DP for example.--[[User:Mr-connor|Mr-connor]] 13:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is a section explaining where to see, and catch, Pokémon. It's right below the Pokédex Entries section.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 13:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

'''TYPHLOSION LV:50
KINDRA LV:50
ALAKAZAM LV:50
LUGIA LV:45
TYRANITAR LV:55
DRAGONITE LV:57'''

this is my current team for pokemon soulsilver...i think it has room for improvement.
[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)brandon strayhorn[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to put this. Post it on the forums.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbagarden Archives ==

I have a problem that I keep sending the confirmation e-mail like every week but it doesn't show up. I'm saying it here because I haven't confirmed my e-mail on Archives. Someone please help me!!!!!!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 10:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Have you checked it isn't getting caught by the spam filter on your email? Maybe check that the email address is right too? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Wardnae, I accidentally wrote the wrong email.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
== Sizes on Pokémon pages.. ==

Something that's been bugging me for a while. I've been manually going around and resizing the main art boxes at the top of each Pokémon page so they all match each other and look uniform. However, many times box sizes will still be off by a few pixels. Would there be anyway to code something that keeps them all the same size? [http://i54.tinypic.com/28rcc53.png] is an example of what Ii'm talking about. Basically, the box that surrounds the art.~★ '''[[User:Cubic Question|''cubic'']][[User talk:Cubic Question|''QUESTION'']]''' 13:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you make the width a certain size, the length will be different according to the size of the art. To get it uniform, you would have to make every file have some whitespace so it would be the same size. That won't happen though. The boxes don't really need to be uniform in size. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Litsen... ==

First of all, I have a idea of a section in the pokemon's main page. Footprint. It'll be good. also, the Pronunciation topic above^^. We can take Right pronunciation from [http://pokemon.wikia.com/ Pokemon Wiki]. I know its cheating, but, Ill help us. --[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:The footprint is already in each Pokémon's infobox. And, we already discussed that the pronunciation caused conflict, and the Pokémon Wiki is far from a reliable source. So we probably won't be adding the pronunciation to each's Pokémon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way I think you were trying to say Listen not Litsen?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, Pronunciation is what admins can do when the wiki lets locked. also, wouldn't they need help adding 150 and more pokemon?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Pronunciation is conflicting. It isn't just hard work. For example, Bonsly was pronounced with an ē once, then with an ī in another time. One was in the movie, the other in the anime, I've just forgotten which. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh Really? We All Know That Charmander is pronounced ''Chaar-man-der''. Easy Enough?? Just search on google for pokemon pronunciation.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, no Google searching, thanks. The official sources (Official Handbooks, Anime, and Video Games) don't always agree on pronunciations of Pokémon names. Now, if the official sources all agree at one point, then we will add them. But until then, they're not going on the species pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay Then. Moving to the next topic. What About Something at the Top of The Pokemon pics To Change the Picture into other generation art or to a Different form?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Most form changing Pokémon have their forms rotated based on the current time (see {{p|Arceus}}, then refresh the page). As for different generations, the infoboxes are set to display it on certain days—for example, on the anniversary of Red and Blue the Pokémon pages displayed their Red and Blue artwork (for those that have it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Doesn't look like the servers are being nice ==

No, I'm not geting 504s (or, if I am, FireFox is hiding them); I'm getting something even worse: pages not loading at all. A couple of days ago, I was going to come here to get a small amount of information, and it took ages to do so (so long in fact that I just got it O_O). I think the servers are being overstressed - despite the fact that I was getting good ping times off of 10 pings to the site's router (if there is one), I couldn't load any pages - not even robots.txt! That is just a simple text document, and it wouldn't even load! I would start the lockdown soon, as the closer to release we get, the more activity we are likely to get.

I consider myself lucky I could even get on right now. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:The fifth generation Pokemon are invading Bulbapedia and interfering with the system! I haven't actually noticed any problems yet though, which is strange. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

as i mentioned Form changing above, We can use A method for pokemon with 2 different forms like giratina and shellos

Method: All you guys saw Avatar, Everyone Saw. Now See The [http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com Avatar Wiki]'s Jake Sully Article. There is a button below the pic to change the Picture into Human/Avatar. We can use that Method.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 16:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea actually, I think it would be better than the Pokemon's form just changing periodically. Perhaps now Bulbapedia is being upgraded for the fifth generation, it would be a convenient time for recoding the articles. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno. Shaymin is also two formes, and changes with time. Shellos and Giratina, by the way, are not random. It's based on the hours. And unfortunately, that just changes the infobox picture; there are '''''several''''' things that change for forme changers. Unless your Ground-type moves miss against Altered Forme Giratina. What's that? They don't? But you can only use Earthquake five times? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikimon has a more extensive one that allows you to toggle the whole box, for example in the [http://wikimon.net/Agumon Agumon article], click the tabs. It even integrates the table of contents into it. Pretty clever. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::see, only arceus has several things that needed to be changed. what about others?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::What about Mebukijika and Genesect (yes, Genesect has other formes (I think five or six?)) [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

:I also support the toggle idea. By the way, it has been mentioned in Arbok's Pokédex entries that it has at least six different patterns, of which two have appeared in official game art. Maybe it would be worthwhile to also toggle these two the same way? --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I say we just stick with actual forme changes, and not include design differences between canons. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Metric tags in Pokédex entries ==
All pokedex entries use the imperial units of measurement from the US translation. I suggest adding tags with the metric counterparts for two reasons:

1 - the original Japanese entries use metric units, so it could be seen as "more canon".

2 - there are international users of Bulbapedia (me included) that are not used to imperial units.

For example, the final sentence in Magneton's entry in Yellow could be: ''It raises the temperature by {{tt|3.6F degrees|2°C}} within {{tt|3,300 feet|1 km}}.''

If the staff agrees, I'm willing to go through all Pokedex entries and add the metric values. I know enough Japanese to easily get the official values from the pokedex entries listed on the Japanese wiki, assuming those are correct.

--[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:Metric system seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to include, it's merely a big job to go through ''everything'' and add the metric equivalent. Perhaps starting small, with say the Pokémon infobox only for now, and work our way up (every infobox should list the Pokémon's height and weight, so it's the most prominent use of the imperial system). Pokédex entries are also pretty simple, but I'd also say they're the less important area to work on (no complaints if you want to fix them all yourself, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Each Pokemon already have both their imperial and metric height and weight listed in their infobox, except for Generation 5, because their imperial values are not yet officially known. So pokedex entries are the most important area left to work on, as far as I can see. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Unless someone else has a big complaint about it, I don't see why you can't go ahead and update those, in that case. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I have done 101 out of 493 for now. I may have missed a few in scanning all those entries. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question? ==

The option to write in the discussion for the Pokemon Black and White Versions isn't there. Are we not aloud to write there? --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, but only if you're autoconfirmed, meaning you've been registered for a certain amount of time and have made a certain number of edits.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::OK thanks --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 22:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::What is the amount of time and important edits? [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Artwork ==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while now, but I couldn't bring it up due to the lockdown. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to possibly include 3D images of Pokémon and Pokémon moves, like what's done for anime? It could be done in a seperate section or sub-section of the articles. Oh, and I don't mean updating every time a new 3D game comes out; I mean adding images for each time a move or Pokémon has appeared in a 3D game, like images of Pidgeot from its appearances in Pokémon Stadium through Pokémon Battle Revolution. I don't know if this has been brought up before, but is this notion a good idea?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 00:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Although i don't know much, but taking 3D Pics will be hard and i don't think its a very good idea.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't quite know how it's done, but you don't take 3D pics by using a camera or something. The quality of the 3D images here prove that.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 15:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Lylat Wiki ==

[http://starfoxwiki.org/Lylat_Wiki Lylat Wiki] is now a part of NIWA, Oct 8th and 15th two others will be added, so might wanna add that to your NIWA bar ;] [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Main page design ==

Does no one else think Tsutarja is missing?
We have Bulbasaur, Treecko, Chikorita and Turtwig pics on the main page, but no Tsutarja (or victini if you want the first pokémon in the dex) I can feel it's absence when I look at the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:main page uses animated minisprites. we dont have Gen V animated minisprites. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I can ''Make'' Them Animate. but it wont we official, and Archives are currently blocked.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I see. That's a little worrying because they're not animated on my screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 17:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What browser are you running? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::on chrome and IE they don't work, only firefox. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've heard that they also work on Opera. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Actually,there is a Tsutarja animated sprite Bulbagarden Archives, but there's no space for it. However, a Victini sprite has also been uploaded. [[User:Jlin8002|Jlin8002]] 00:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)Jlin8002

== Shiny Gen V Sprites ==

I would like to know where we are going to put the shiny sprites for the fifth generation Pokémon. I have the sprites (official). [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:We have them, however we have yet to upload them. I guess I could do them today. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 11:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Translations ==

This is a big job, and would probably be a bad idea, but could we translate Bulbapedia into other languages? I know that we already have basic translations of Pokémon and Moves, but what about the rest of it?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 18:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:May I direct your attention [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis|here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Clearer distinction between "natural" and Dream World abilities. ==

I think the distinction between pokémon that only have certain abilities through the Pokémon Dream World and those that don't can be made clearer. For example, on pages of separate abilities there is just one table with normal and PDW pokémon all mixed up, while it would be easier to make separate tables for both. I think this would help both users that own Pokémon Black or White and those that don't. Besides that we could also make a category for "Abilities exclusive to Pokémon Dream World", like {{a|Harvest}}. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 00:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:On the separate pages, they are specfically listed in a separate column that says "Dream World ability". That seems separate enough. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think it would be easier if for example you are looking for a pokémon that has a certain ability, that you don't have to go through a list of which half of the pokémon are Dream World pokémon. Even for Dream World users like me pokémon in wild and in Dream World are two completely separate things. But yeah, it's not that necessary. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Grammar error ==

Being the Grammar Nazi I am, I have spotted an error I can't fix. I accidentally got logged out while editing a userpage, and I noticed there is a lack of space between sentences on the message that explains that new users cannot edit userpages. This is really bothering me, so could anyone with the power to edit the MediaWiki namespace fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done, I think. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Update on Message to the Editor ==

[[Template:Main Page/Message from the Editor|'''This''']] should be updated, no? I think people would like to know it's been unlocked [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 02:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
: Very true, its more that a month old [[User:Ruberduck0123|'''Ruber''']][[User talk:Ruberduck0123|'''duck''']][[Special:Contributions/Ruberduck0123|'''0123''']] 07:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter if it's five months old, he edits it when they have an announcement to make, he doesn't have to update it once a month people!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbanews ==

I have a question : Can only staff members report news to bulbanews or can normal users also report --[[User:Vlade|Vlade]] 15:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Bulbanews is a different wiki altogether. Though they're both part of Bulbagarden, both Bulbapedia and Bulbanews have their own front pages. The information you're looking for is on Bulbanews's front page and if you have any other questions about it, it'd make sense to ask on that talk page rather than this one. [[n:Front page|here's a link, for convenience]] [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark's Name ==

I think the Ark in its name could be cause it can transform into lots of pokemon like an ark of pokemon and the reason i posted it here cause i cant post it on Zoroark's article . --[[User:Vlade|Vlade]] 16:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

2010-10-05T12:44:16Z

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== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]

== Pokémon cries? ==
Should we add Pokémon cries to the Pokémon articles?--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's been tried before, but it caused too many problems. It would still probably cause too much problems now.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10#Pokémon Cries|This has been discussed to death already.]] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::We're going to try to get them put in as soon as possible. They've been sitting in a directory on the server for... jeez, at least a year. Last time we tried to put them in, the server exploded. Archaic's been wary of doing it since then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just out of curiosity, what file format was used for the cries? That may have been the problem.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Over at de:, we have mp3 with the following syntax: <nowiki>{{#mp3:http://www.greenchu.de/nakigoe/025.mp3}}</nowiki>. I cannot figure out where that parser functions comes from, though.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think having the files like [http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/#music Floatzel.net] have their music files could work well. We might even eventually be able to put route/town/cave music on the pages!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move Trivia ==

Should there be a trivia section for moves? For instance, only one Pokémon can learn [[Steel Wing]] by leveling up.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:There are for some moves, but not all of them have any notable trivia to add, so there is no sub heading. If you think of '''notable''' trivia, then add the sub-heading and put it in. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon ==

Hi there. I remember when I was around nine, I used to play Pokémon Gold & Crystal, and I remember there was this cloning trick that could clone pokémon and the items that they held. Anyways, I began to notice if I did the right trick at a certain time, (or whatever it was, it has been a while) I managed to get a special type of Pokémon, the trainer. The trainer of course, had no moves and therefore could only struggle, but you could use TMs and everything. I remember having fun with that, but I can't find any info on this.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Bublador}} ([[User talk:Bublador|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bublador|contribs]]) ''

Try this page, all of the glitches are on [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glitches#All_Generations]] and please sign your comment when you use these talk pages. thank you --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I'm just thinking if on every Pokémon's page that we have their Pronunciation somewhere? like this:

Say: Sin-da-qwil

What do you think?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's a good idea, but I believe we've had problems with adding pronunciations in the past because of people not agreeing on the "correct" pronunciation (also, sometimes there are conflicting pronunciations from different official sources) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh oh then. I just though because some Pokémon I can't pronounce their names--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If you have a look at the source of, say, Bulbasaur's page, you'll see this:
<pre>{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
</pre>

the "pron=" parameter is not coded into the infobox, so it does appear. But it's there on every Pokemon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's coded in but because of the disagreements on pronunciation and no clear official source for many of them, it was decided to hide them all. If Nintendo or anyone ever releases an official pronunciation guide then we'll be able to put them back up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is whatever the pronunciation is in the English dub of the anime (and similarly the pronunciation in the Japanese dub for those not yet released over here) not enough to justify it? With the exception of the odd time where they've actually changed the pronunciation during it e.g. Regice... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork?! ==

I hate to be the silly one who starts the "What's going on?!!" discussion, but seriously, why have all the pictures of the Generation I Pokémon been changed to the old Red and Green artwork? Is it for an aniversary or something? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Anniversary of RB was yesterday, so Gen I Pokémon got Gen I art. But due to the server cache it took some a while to switch over, and I believe they should all be starting to switch back now, but again, that'll be whenever the server cache gets updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 11:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, maybe it could be put on a switch, like with Gastrodon's forms, so it could switch between old and new artwork periodically. How's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what it did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so it's still in effect? As in, like, permanently? Because that was what I was suggesting. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, next year and on certain other days the site will have easter egg effects. Yaaaay for surprises. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I won't panic when the Gym Leader pictures are replaced by fan art then... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== just a though... ==

i realise this is probably in the wrong place, but, as unlocking the generation IV nationaldex and requesting a trade on the GTS require only seeing a particular species of pokémon, would it make sense to include a section explaining where to see them. (and i am aware that the GTS has only around a week left). I know that people (granted they are few) have had problems viewing unown and riolu in DP for example.--[[User:Mr-connor|Mr-connor]] 13:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is a section explaining where to see, and catch, Pokémon. It's right below the Pokédex Entries section.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 13:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

'''TYPHLOSION LV:50
KINDRA LV:50
ALAKAZAM LV:50
LUGIA LV:45
TYRANITAR LV:55
DRAGONITE LV:57'''

this is my current team for pokemon soulsilver...i think it has room for improvement.
[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)brandon strayhorn[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to put this. Post it on the forums.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbagarden Archives ==

I have a problem that I keep sending the confirmation e-mail like every week but it doesn't show up. I'm saying it here because I haven't confirmed my e-mail on Archives. Someone please help me!!!!!!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 10:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Have you checked it isn't getting caught by the spam filter on your email? Maybe check that the email address is right too? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Wardnae, I accidentally wrote the wrong email.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
== Sizes on Pokémon pages.. ==

Something that's been bugging me for a while. I've been manually going around and resizing the main art boxes at the top of each Pokémon page so they all match each other and look uniform. However, many times box sizes will still be off by a few pixels. Would there be anyway to code something that keeps them all the same size? [http://i54.tinypic.com/28rcc53.png] is an example of what Ii'm talking about. Basically, the box that surrounds the art.~★ '''[[User:Cubic Question|''cubic'']][[User talk:Cubic Question|''QUESTION'']]''' 13:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you make the width a certain size, the length will be different according to the size of the art. To get it uniform, you would have to make every file have some whitespace so it would be the same size. That won't happen though. The boxes don't really need to be uniform in size. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Litsen... ==

First of all, I have a idea of a section in the pokemon's main page. Footprint. It'll be good. also, the Pronunciation topic above^^. We can take Right pronunciation from [http://pokemon.wikia.com/ Pokemon Wiki]. I know its cheating, but, Ill help us. --[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:The footprint is already in each Pokémon's infobox. And, we already discussed that the pronunciation caused conflict, and the Pokémon Wiki is far from a reliable source. So we probably won't be adding the pronunciation to each's Pokémon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way I think you were trying to say Listen not Litsen?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, Pronunciation is what admins can do when the wiki lets locked. also, wouldn't they need help adding 150 and more pokemon?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Pronunciation is conflicting. It isn't just hard work. For example, Bonsly was pronounced with an ē once, then with an ī in another time. One was in the movie, the other in the anime, I've just forgotten which. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh Really? We All Know That Charmander is pronounced ''Chaar-man-der''. Easy Enough?? Just search on google for pokemon pronunciation.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, no Google searching, thanks. The official sources (Official Handbooks, Anime, and Video Games) don't always agree on pronunciations of Pokémon names. Now, if the official sources all agree at one point, then we will add them. But until then, they're not going on the species pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay Then. Moving to the next topic. What About Something at the Top of The Pokemon pics To Change the Picture into other generation art or to a Different form?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Most form changing Pokémon have their forms rotated based on the current time (see {{p|Arceus}}, then refresh the page). As for different generations, the infoboxes are set to display it on certain days—for example, on the anniversary of Red and Blue the Pokémon pages displayed their Red and Blue artwork (for those that have it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Doesn't look like the servers are being nice ==

No, I'm not geting 504s (or, if I am, FireFox is hiding them); I'm getting something even worse: pages not loading at all. A couple of days ago, I was going to come here to get a small amount of information, and it took ages to do so (so long in fact that I just got it O_O). I think the servers are being overstressed - despite the fact that I was getting good ping times off of 10 pings to the site's router (if there is one), I couldn't load any pages - not even robots.txt! That is just a simple text document, and it wouldn't even load! I would start the lockdown soon, as the closer to release we get, the more activity we are likely to get.

I consider myself lucky I could even get on right now. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:The fifth generation Pokemon are invading Bulbapedia and interfering with the system! I haven't actually noticed any problems yet though, which is strange. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

as i mentioned Form changing above, We can use A method for pokemon with 2 different forms like giratina and shellos

Method: All you guys saw Avatar, Everyone Saw. Now See The [http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com Avatar Wiki]'s Jake Sully Article. There is a button below the pic to change the Picture into Human/Avatar. We can use that Method.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 16:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea actually, I think it would be better than the Pokemon's form just changing periodically. Perhaps now Bulbapedia is being upgraded for the fifth generation, it would be a convenient time for recoding the articles. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno. Shaymin is also two formes, and changes with time. Shellos and Giratina, by the way, are not random. It's based on the hours. And unfortunately, that just changes the infobox picture; there are '''''several''''' things that change for forme changers. Unless your Ground-type moves miss against Altered Forme Giratina. What's that? They don't? But you can only use Earthquake five times? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikimon has a more extensive one that allows you to toggle the whole box, for example in the [http://wikimon.net/Agumon Agumon article], click the tabs. It even integrates the table of contents into it. Pretty clever. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::see, only arceus has several things that needed to be changed. what about others?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::What about Mebukijika and Genesect (yes, Genesect has other formes (I think five or six?)) [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

:I also support the toggle idea. By the way, it has been mentioned in Arbok's Pokédex entries that it has at least six different patterns, of which two have appeared in official game art. Maybe it would be worthwhile to also toggle these two the same way? --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I say we just stick with actual forme changes, and not include design differences between canons. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Metric tags in Pokédex entries ==
All pokedex entries use the imperial units of measurement from the US translation. I suggest adding tags with the metric counterparts for two reasons:

1 - the original Japanese entries use metric units, so it could be seen as "more canon".

2 - there are international users of Bulbapedia (me included) that are not used to imperial units.

For example, the final sentence in Magneton's entry in Yellow could be: ''It raises the temperature by {{tt|3.6F degrees|2°C}} within {{tt|3,300 feet|1 km}}.''

If the staff agrees, I'm willing to go through all Pokedex entries and add the metric values. I know enough Japanese to easily get the official values from the pokedex entries listed on the Japanese wiki, assuming those are correct.

--[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:Metric system seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to include, it's merely a big job to go through ''everything'' and add the metric equivalent. Perhaps starting small, with say the Pokémon infobox only for now, and work our way up (every infobox should list the Pokémon's height and weight, so it's the most prominent use of the imperial system). Pokédex entries are also pretty simple, but I'd also say they're the less important area to work on (no complaints if you want to fix them all yourself, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Each Pokemon already have both their imperial and metric height and weight listed in their infobox, except for Generation 5, because their imperial values are not yet officially known. So pokedex entries are the most important area left to work on, as far as I can see. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Unless someone else has a big complaint about it, I don't see why you can't go ahead and update those, in that case. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I have done 101 out of 493 for now. I may have missed a few in scanning all those entries. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question? ==

The option to write in the discussion for the Pokemon Black and White Versions isn't there. Are we not aloud to write there? --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, but only if you're autoconfirmed, meaning you've been registered for a certain amount of time and have made a certain number of edits.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::OK thanks --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 22:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::What is the amount of time and important edits? [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Artwork ==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while now, but I couldn't bring it up due to the lockdown. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to possibly include 3D images of Pokémon and Pokémon moves, like what's done for anime? It could be done in a seperate section or sub-section of the articles. Oh, and I don't mean updating every time a new 3D game comes out; I mean adding images for each time a move or Pokémon has appeared in a 3D game, like images of Pidgeot from its appearances in Pokémon Stadium through Pokémon Battle Revolution. I don't know if this has been brought up before, but is this notion a good idea?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 00:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Although i don't know much, but taking 3D Pics will be hard and i don't think its a very good idea.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't quite know how it's done, but you don't take 3D pics by using a camera or something. The quality of the 3D images here prove that.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 15:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Lylat Wiki ==

[http://starfoxwiki.org/Lylat_Wiki Lylat Wiki] is now a part of NIWA, Oct 8th and 15th two others will be added, so might wanna add that to your NIWA bar ;] [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Main page design ==

Does no one else think Tsutarja is missing?
We have Bulbasaur, Treecko, Chikorita and Turtwig pics on the main page, but no Tsutarja (or victini if you want the first pokémon in the dex) I can feel it's absence when I look at the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:main page uses animated minisprites. we dont have Gen V animated minisprites. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I can ''Make'' Them Animate. but it wont we official, and Archives are currently blocked.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I see. That's a little worrying because they're not animated on my screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 17:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What browser are you running? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::on chrome and IE they don't work, only firefox. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Gen V Sprites ==

I would like to know where we are going to put the shiny sprites for the fifth generation Pokémon. I have the sprites (official). [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:We have them, however we have yet to upload them. I guess I could do them today. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 11:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

2010-10-04T17:10:12Z

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== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]

== Pokémon cries? ==
Should we add Pokémon cries to the Pokémon articles?--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's been tried before, but it caused too many problems. It would still probably cause too much problems now.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10#Pokémon Cries|This has been discussed to death already.]] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::We're going to try to get them put in as soon as possible. They've been sitting in a directory on the server for... jeez, at least a year. Last time we tried to put them in, the server exploded. Archaic's been wary of doing it since then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just out of curiosity, what file format was used for the cries? That may have been the problem.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Over at de:, we have mp3 with the following syntax: <nowiki>{{#mp3:http://www.greenchu.de/nakigoe/025.mp3}}</nowiki>. I cannot figure out where that parser functions comes from, though.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think having the files like [http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/#music Floatzel.net] have their music files could work well. We might even eventually be able to put route/town/cave music on the pages!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move Trivia ==

Should there be a trivia section for moves? For instance, only one Pokémon can learn [[Steel Wing]] by leveling up.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:There are for some moves, but not all of them have any notable trivia to add, so there is no sub heading. If you think of '''notable''' trivia, then add the sub-heading and put it in. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon ==

Hi there. I remember when I was around nine, I used to play Pokémon Gold & Crystal, and I remember there was this cloning trick that could clone pokémon and the items that they held. Anyways, I began to notice if I did the right trick at a certain time, (or whatever it was, it has been a while) I managed to get a special type of Pokémon, the trainer. The trainer of course, had no moves and therefore could only struggle, but you could use TMs and everything. I remember having fun with that, but I can't find any info on this.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Bublador}} ([[User talk:Bublador|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bublador|contribs]]) ''

Try this page, all of the glitches are on [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glitches#All_Generations]] and please sign your comment when you use these talk pages. thank you --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I'm just thinking if on every Pokémon's page that we have their Pronunciation somewhere? like this:

Say: Sin-da-qwil

What do you think?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's a good idea, but I believe we've had problems with adding pronunciations in the past because of people not agreeing on the "correct" pronunciation (also, sometimes there are conflicting pronunciations from different official sources) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh oh then. I just though because some Pokémon I can't pronounce their names--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If you have a look at the source of, say, Bulbasaur's page, you'll see this:
<pre>{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
</pre>

the "pron=" parameter is not coded into the infobox, so it does appear. But it's there on every Pokemon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's coded in but because of the disagreements on pronunciation and no clear official source for many of them, it was decided to hide them all. If Nintendo or anyone ever releases an official pronunciation guide then we'll be able to put them back up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is whatever the pronunciation is in the English dub of the anime (and similarly the pronunciation in the Japanese dub for those not yet released over here) not enough to justify it? With the exception of the odd time where they've actually changed the pronunciation during it e.g. Regice... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork?! ==

I hate to be the silly one who starts the "What's going on?!!" discussion, but seriously, why have all the pictures of the Generation I Pokémon been changed to the old Red and Green artwork? Is it for an aniversary or something? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Anniversary of RB was yesterday, so Gen I Pokémon got Gen I art. But due to the server cache it took some a while to switch over, and I believe they should all be starting to switch back now, but again, that'll be whenever the server cache gets updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 11:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, maybe it could be put on a switch, like with Gastrodon's forms, so it could switch between old and new artwork periodically. How's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what it did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so it's still in effect? As in, like, permanently? Because that was what I was suggesting. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, next year and on certain other days the site will have easter egg effects. Yaaaay for surprises. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I won't panic when the Gym Leader pictures are replaced by fan art then... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== just a though... ==

i realise this is probably in the wrong place, but, as unlocking the generation IV nationaldex and requesting a trade on the GTS require only seeing a particular species of pokémon, would it make sense to include a section explaining where to see them. (and i am aware that the GTS has only around a week left). I know that people (granted they are few) have had problems viewing unown and riolu in DP for example.--[[User:Mr-connor|Mr-connor]] 13:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is a section explaining where to see, and catch, Pokémon. It's right below the Pokédex Entries section.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 13:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

'''TYPHLOSION LV:50
KINDRA LV:50
ALAKAZAM LV:50
LUGIA LV:45
TYRANITAR LV:55
DRAGONITE LV:57'''

this is my current team for pokemon soulsilver...i think it has room for improvement.
[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)brandon strayhorn[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to put this. Post it on the forums.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbagarden Archives ==

I have a problem that I keep sending the confirmation e-mail like every week but it doesn't show up. I'm saying it here because I haven't confirmed my e-mail on Archives. Someone please help me!!!!!!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 10:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Have you checked it isn't getting caught by the spam filter on your email? Maybe check that the email address is right too? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Wardnae, I accidentally wrote the wrong email.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
== Sizes on Pokémon pages.. ==

Something that's been bugging me for a while. I've been manually going around and resizing the main art boxes at the top of each Pokémon page so they all match each other and look uniform. However, many times box sizes will still be off by a few pixels. Would there be anyway to code something that keeps them all the same size? [http://i54.tinypic.com/28rcc53.png] is an example of what Ii'm talking about. Basically, the box that surrounds the art.~★ '''[[User:Cubic Question|''cubic'']][[User talk:Cubic Question|''QUESTION'']]''' 13:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you make the width a certain size, the length will be different according to the size of the art. To get it uniform, you would have to make every file have some whitespace so it would be the same size. That won't happen though. The boxes don't really need to be uniform in size. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Litsen... ==

First of all, I have a idea of a section in the pokemon's main page. Footprint. It'll be good. also, the Pronunciation topic above^^. We can take Right pronunciation from [http://pokemon.wikia.com/ Pokemon Wiki]. I know its cheating, but, Ill help us. --[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:The footprint is already in each Pokémon's infobox. And, we already discussed that the pronunciation caused conflict, and the Pokémon Wiki is far from a reliable source. So we probably won't be adding the pronunciation to each's Pokémon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way I think you were trying to say Listen not Litsen?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, Pronunciation is what admins can do when the wiki lets locked. also, wouldn't they need help adding 150 and more pokemon?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Pronunciation is conflicting. It isn't just hard work. For example, Bonsly was pronounced with an ē once, then with an ī in another time. One was in the movie, the other in the anime, I've just forgotten which. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh Really? We All Know That Charmander is pronounced ''Chaar-man-der''. Easy Enough?? Just search on google for pokemon pronunciation.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, no Google searching, thanks. The official sources (Official Handbooks, Anime, and Video Games) don't always agree on pronunciations of Pokémon names. Now, if the official sources all agree at one point, then we will add them. But until then, they're not going on the species pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay Then. Moving to the next topic. What About Something at the Top of The Pokemon pics To Change the Picture into other generation art or to a Different form?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Most form changing Pokémon have their forms rotated based on the current time (see {{p|Arceus}}, then refresh the page). As for different generations, the infoboxes are set to display it on certain days—for example, on the anniversary of Red and Blue the Pokémon pages displayed their Red and Blue artwork (for those that have it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Doesn't look like the servers are being nice ==

No, I'm not geting 504s (or, if I am, FireFox is hiding them); I'm getting something even worse: pages not loading at all. A couple of days ago, I was going to come here to get a small amount of information, and it took ages to do so (so long in fact that I just got it O_O). I think the servers are being overstressed - despite the fact that I was getting good ping times off of 10 pings to the site's router (if there is one), I couldn't load any pages - not even robots.txt! That is just a simple text document, and it wouldn't even load! I would start the lockdown soon, as the closer to release we get, the more activity we are likely to get.

I consider myself lucky I could even get on right now. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:The fifth generation Pokemon are invading Bulbapedia and interfering with the system! I haven't actually noticed any problems yet though, which is strange. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

as i mentioned Form changing above, We can use A method for pokemon with 2 different forms like giratina and shellos

Method: All you guys saw Avatar, Everyone Saw. Now See The [http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com Avatar Wiki]'s Jake Sully Article. There is a button below the pic to change the Picture into Human/Avatar. We can use that Method.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 16:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea actually, I think it would be better than the Pokemon's form just changing periodically. Perhaps now Bulbapedia is being upgraded for the fifth generation, it would be a convenient time for recoding the articles. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno. Shaymin is also two formes, and changes with time. Shellos and Giratina, by the way, are not random. It's based on the hours. And unfortunately, that just changes the infobox picture; there are '''''several''''' things that change for forme changers. Unless your Ground-type moves miss against Altered Forme Giratina. What's that? They don't? But you can only use Earthquake five times? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikimon has a more extensive one that allows you to toggle the whole box, for example in the [http://wikimon.net/Agumon Agumon article], click the tabs. It even integrates the table of contents into it. Pretty clever. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::see, only arceus has several things that needed to be changed. what about others?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:I also support the toggle idea. By the way, it has been mentioned in Arbok's Pokédex entries that it has at least six different patterns, of which two have appeared in official game art. Maybe it would be worthwhile to also toggle these two the same way? --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I say we just stick with actual forme changes, and not include design differences between canons. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Metric tags in Pokédex entries ==
All pokedex entries use the imperial units of measurement from the US translation. I suggest adding tags with the metric counterparts for two reasons:

1 - the original Japanese entries use metric units, so it could be seen as "more canon".

2 - there are international users of Bulbapedia (me included) that are not used to imperial units.

For example, the final sentence in Magneton's entry in Yellow could be: ''It raises the temperature by {{tt|3.6F degrees|2°C}} within {{tt|3,300 feet|1 km}}.''

If the staff agrees, I'm willing to go through all Pokedex entries and add the metric values. I know enough Japanese to easily get the official values from the pokedex entries listed on the Japanese wiki, assuming those are correct.

--[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:Metric system seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to include, it's merely a big job to go through ''everything'' and add the metric equivalent. Perhaps starting small, with say the Pokémon infobox only for now, and work our way up (every infobox should list the Pokémon's height and weight, so it's the most prominent use of the imperial system). Pokédex entries are also pretty simple, but I'd also say they're the less important area to work on (no complaints if you want to fix them all yourself, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Each Pokemon already have both their imperial and metric height and weight listed in their infobox, except for Generation 5, because their imperial values are not yet officially known. So pokedex entries are the most important area left to work on, as far as I can see. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Unless someone else has a big complaint about it, I don't see why you can't go ahead and update those, in that case. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I have done 101 out of 493 for now. I may have missed a few in scanning all those entries. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question? ==

The option to write in the discussion for the Pokemon Black and White Versions isn't there. Are we not aloud to write there? --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, but only if you're autoconfirmed, meaning you've been registered for a certain amount of time and have made a certain number of edits.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 22:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Artwork ==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while now, but I couldn't bring it up due to the lockdown. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to possibly include 3D images of Pokémon and Pokémon moves, like what's done for anime? It could be done in a seperate section or sub-section of the articles. Oh, and I don't mean updating every time a new 3D game comes out; I mean adding images for each time a move or Pokémon has appeared in a 3D game, like images of Pidgeot from its appearances in Pokémon Stadium through Pokémon Battle Revolution. I don't know if this has been brought up before, but is this notion a good idea?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 00:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Although i don't know much, but taking 3D Pics will be hard and i don't think its a very good idea.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't quite know how it's done, but you don't take 3D pics by using a camera or something. The quality of the 3D images here prove that.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 15:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Lylat Wiki ==

[http://starfoxwiki.org/Lylat_Wiki Lylat Wiki] is now a part of NIWA, Oct 8th and 15th two others will be added, so might wanna add that to your NIWA bar ;] [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Main page design ==

Does no one else think Tsutarja is missing?
We have Bulbasaur, Treecko, Chikorita and Turtwig pics on the main page, but no Tsutarja (or victini if you want the first pokémon in the dex) I can feel it's absence when I look at the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:main page uses animated minisprites. we dont have Gen V animated minisprites. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I can ''Make'' Them Animate. but it wont we official, and Archives are currently blocked.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I see. That's a little worrying because they're not animated on my screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 17:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

2010-10-02T19:55:21Z

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This is the {{bp|talk page}} for the Bulbapedia's front page. If you have a general comment about the wiki, please consider placing it in [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 our forum].'''

== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
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== Pokémon cries? ==
Should we add Pokémon cries to the Pokémon articles?--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's been tried before, but it caused too many problems. It would still probably cause too much problems now.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10#Pokémon Cries|This has been discussed to death already.]] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::We're going to try to get them put in as soon as possible. They've been sitting in a directory on the server for... jeez, at least a year. Last time we tried to put them in, the server exploded. Archaic's been wary of doing it since then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just out of curiosity, what file format was used for the cries? That may have been the problem.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Over at de:, we have mp3 with the following syntax: <nowiki>{{#mp3:http://www.greenchu.de/nakigoe/025.mp3}}</nowiki>. I cannot figure out where that parser functions comes from, though.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think having the files like [http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/#music Floatzel.net] have their music files could work well. We might even eventually be able to put route/town/cave music on the pages!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move Trivia ==

Should there be a trivia section for moves? For instance, only one Pokémon can learn [[Steel Wing]] by leveling up.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:There are for some moves, but not all of them have any notable trivia to add, so there is no sub heading. If you think of '''notable''' trivia, then add the sub-heading and put it in. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon ==

Hi there. I remember when I was around nine, I used to play Pokémon Gold & Crystal, and I remember there was this cloning trick that could clone pokémon and the items that they held. Anyways, I began to notice if I did the right trick at a certain time, (or whatever it was, it has been a while) I managed to get a special type of Pokémon, the trainer. The trainer of course, had no moves and therefore could only struggle, but you could use TMs and everything. I remember having fun with that, but I can't find any info on this.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Bublador}} ([[User talk:Bublador|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bublador|contribs]]) ''

Try this page, all of the glitches are on [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glitches#All_Generations]] and please sign your comment when you use these talk pages. thank you --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I'm just thinking if on every Pokémon's page that we have their Pronunciation somewhere? like this:

Say: Sin-da-qwil

What do you think?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's a good idea, but I believe we've had problems with adding pronunciations in the past because of people not agreeing on the "correct" pronunciation (also, sometimes there are conflicting pronunciations from different official sources) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh oh then. I just though because some Pokémon I can't pronounce their names--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If you have a look at the source of, say, Bulbasaur's page, you'll see this:
<pre>{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
</pre>

the "pron=" parameter is not coded into the infobox, so it does appear. But it's there on every Pokemon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's coded in but because of the disagreements on pronunciation and no clear official source for many of them, it was decided to hide them all. If Nintendo or anyone ever releases an official pronunciation guide then we'll be able to put them back up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is whatever the pronunciation is in the English dub of the anime (and similarly the pronunciation in the Japanese dub for those not yet released over here) not enough to justify it? With the exception of the odd time where they've actually changed the pronunciation during it e.g. Regice... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork?! ==

I hate to be the silly one who starts the "What's going on?!!" discussion, but seriously, why have all the pictures of the Generation I Pokémon been changed to the old Red and Green artwork? Is it for an aniversary or something? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Anniversary of RB was yesterday, so Gen I Pokémon got Gen I art. But due to the server cache it took some a while to switch over, and I believe they should all be starting to switch back now, but again, that'll be whenever the server cache gets updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 11:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, maybe it could be put on a switch, like with Gastrodon's forms, so it could switch between old and new artwork periodically. How's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what it did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so it's still in effect? As in, like, permanently? Because that was what I was suggesting. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, next year and on certain other days the site will have easter egg effects. Yaaaay for surprises. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I won't panic when the Gym Leader pictures are replaced by fan art then... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== just a though... ==

i realise this is probably in the wrong place, but, as unlocking the generation IV nationaldex and requesting a trade on the GTS require only seeing a particular species of pokémon, would it make sense to include a section explaining where to see them. (and i am aware that the GTS has only around a week left). I know that people (granted they are few) have had problems viewing unown and riolu in DP for example.--[[User:Mr-connor|Mr-connor]] 13:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is a section explaining where to see, and catch, Pokémon. It's right below the Pokédex Entries section.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 13:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

'''TYPHLOSION LV:50
KINDRA LV:50
ALAKAZAM LV:50
LUGIA LV:45
TYRANITAR LV:55
DRAGONITE LV:57'''

this is my current team for pokemon soulsilver...i think it has room for improvement.
[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)brandon strayhorn[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to put this. Post it on the forums.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbagarden Archives ==

I have a problem that I keep sending the confirmation e-mail like every week but it doesn't show up. I'm saying it here because I haven't confirmed my e-mail on Archives. Someone please help me!!!!!!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 10:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Have you checked it isn't getting caught by the spam filter on your email? Maybe check that the email address is right too? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Wardnae, I accidentally wrote the wrong email.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
== Sizes on Pokémon pages.. ==

Something that's been bugging me for a while. I've been manually going around and resizing the main art boxes at the top of each Pokémon page so they all match each other and look uniform. However, many times box sizes will still be off by a few pixels. Would there be anyway to code something that keeps them all the same size? [http://i54.tinypic.com/28rcc53.png] is an example of what Ii'm talking about. Basically, the box that surrounds the art.~★ '''[[User:Cubic Question|''cubic'']][[User talk:Cubic Question|''QUESTION'']]''' 13:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you make the width a certain size, the length will be different according to the size of the art. To get it uniform, you would have to make every file have some whitespace so it would be the same size. That won't happen though. The boxes don't really need to be uniform in size. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Litsen... ==

First of all, I have a idea of a section in the pokemon's main page. Footprint. It'll be good. also, the Pronunciation topic above^^. We can take Right pronunciation from [http://pokemon.wikia.com/ Pokemon Wiki]. I know its cheating, but, Ill help us. --[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:The footprint is already in each Pokémon's infobox. And, we already discussed that the pronunciation caused conflict, and the Pokémon Wiki is far from a reliable source. So we probably won't be adding the pronunciation to each's Pokémon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way I think you were trying to say Listen not Litsen?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, Pronunciation is what admins can do when the wiki lets locked. also, wouldn't they need help adding 150 and more pokemon?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Pronunciation is conflicting. It isn't just hard work. For example, Bonsly was pronounced with an ē once, then with an ī in another time. One was in the movie, the other in the anime, I've just forgotten which. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh Really? We All Know That Charmander is pronounced ''Chaar-man-der''. Easy Enough?? Just search on google for pokemon pronunciation.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, no Google searching, thanks. The official sources (Official Handbooks, Anime, and Video Games) don't always agree on pronunciations of Pokémon names. Now, if the official sources all agree at one point, then we will add them. But until then, they're not going on the species pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay Then. Moving to the next topic. What About Something at the Top of The Pokemon pics To Change the Picture into other generation art or to a Different form?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Most form changing Pokémon have their forms rotated based on the current time (see {{p|Arceus}}, then refresh the page). As for different generations, the infoboxes are set to display it on certain days—for example, on the anniversary of Red and Blue the Pokémon pages displayed their Red and Blue artwork (for those that have it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Doesn't look like the servers are being nice ==

No, I'm not geting 504s (or, if I am, FireFox is hiding them); I'm getting something even worse: pages not loading at all. A couple of days ago, I was going to come here to get a small amount of information, and it took ages to do so (so long in fact that I just got it O_O). I think the servers are being overstressed - despite the fact that I was getting good ping times off of 10 pings to the site's router (if there is one), I couldn't load any pages - not even robots.txt! That is just a simple text document, and it wouldn't even load! I would start the lockdown soon, as the closer to release we get, the more activity we are likely to get.

I consider myself lucky I could even get on right now. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:The fifth generation Pokemon are invading Bulbapedia and interfering with the system! I haven't actually noticed any problems yet though, which is strange. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

as i mentioned Form changing above, We can use A method for pokemon with 2 different forms like giratina and shellos

Method: All you guys saw Avatar, Everyone Saw. Now See The [http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com Avatar Wiki]'s Jake Sully Article. There is a button below the pic to change the Picture into Human/Avatar. We can use that Method.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 16:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea actually, I think it would be better than the Pokemon's form just changing periodically. Perhaps now Bulbapedia is being upgraded for the fifth generation, it would be a convenient time for recoding the articles. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno. Shaymin is also two formes, and changes with time. Shellos and Giratina, by the way, are not random. It's based on the hours. And unfortunately, that just changes the infobox picture; there are '''''several''''' things that change for forme changers. Unless your Ground-type moves miss against Altered Forme Giratina. What's that? They don't? But you can only use Earthquake five times? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikimon has a more extensive one that allows you to toggle the whole box, for example in the [http://wikimon.net/Agumon Agumon article], click the tabs. It even integrates the table of contents into it. Pretty clever. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::see, only arceus has several things that needed to be changed. what about others?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:I also support the toggle idea. By the way, it has been mentioned in Arbok's Pokédex entries that it has at least six different patterns, of which two have appeared in official game art. Maybe it would be worthwhile to also toggle these two the same way? --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I say we just stick with actual forme changes, and not include design differences between canons. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Metric tags in Pokédex entries ==
All pokedex entries use the imperial units of measurement from the US translation. I suggest adding tags with the metric counterparts for two reasons:

1 - the original Japanese entries use metric units, so it could be seen as "more canon".

2 - there are international users of Bulbapedia (me included) that are not used to imperial units.

For example, the final sentence in Magneton's entry in Yellow could be: ''It raises the temperature by {{tt|3.6F degrees|2°C}} within {{tt|3,300 feet|1 km}}.''

If the staff agrees, I'm willing to go through all Pokedex entries and add the metric values. I know enough Japanese to easily get the official values from the pokedex entries listed on the Japanese wiki, assuming those are correct.

--[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:Metric system seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to include, it's merely a big job to go through ''everything'' and add the metric equivalent. Perhaps starting small, with say the Pokémon infobox only for now, and work our way up (every infobox should list the Pokémon's height and weight, so it's the most prominent use of the imperial system). Pokédex entries are also pretty simple, but I'd also say they're the less important area to work on (no complaints if you want to fix them all yourself, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Each Pokemon already have both their imperial and metric height and weight listed in their infobox, except for Generation 5, because their imperial values are not yet officially known. So pokedex entries are the most important area left to work on, as far as I can see. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Unless someone else has a big complaint about it, I don't see why you can't go ahead and update those, in that case. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I have done 101 out of 493 for now. I may have missed a few in scanning all those entries. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question? ==

The option to write in the discussion for the Pokemon Black and White Versions isn't there. Are we not aloud to write there? --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, but only if you're autoconfirmed, meaning you've been registered for a certain amount of time and have made a certain number of edits.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 22:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Artwork ==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while now, but I couldn't bring it up due to the lockdown. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to possibly include 3D images of Pokémon and Pokémon moves, like what's done for anime? It could be done in a seperate section or sub-section of the articles. Oh, and I don't mean updating every time a new 3D game comes out; I mean adding images for each time a move or Pokémon has appeared in a 3D game, like images of Pidgeot from its appearances in Pokémon Stadium through Pokémon Battle Revolution. I don't know if this has been brought up before, but is this notion a good idea?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 00:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Although i don't know much, but taking 3D Pics will be hard and i don't think its a very good idea.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't quite know how it's done, but you don't take 3D pics by using a camera or something. The quality of the 3D images here prove that.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 15:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Lylat Wiki ==

[http://starfoxwiki.org/Lylat_Wiki Lylat Wiki] is now a part of NIWA, Oct 8th and 15th two others will be added, so might wanna add that to your NIWA bar ;] [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Main page design ==

Does no one else think Tsutarja is missing?
We have Bulbasaur, Treecko, Chikorita and Turtwig pics on the main page, but no Tsutarja (or victini if you want the first pokémon in the dex) I can feel it's absence when I look at the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Poison (type)

2010-09-16T19:12:15Z

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I'm reverting for now, as most of the changes weren't written very well and most weren't needed. The only thing I'd keep is maybe the mention of Levitate, since it has such a large effect. ''"Offensively, the Poison type has a few setbacks due to poison being a really annoying status effect to have."'' doesn't even make sense. That isn't really for the place for listing what types can and can't be poisoned, and it could be done a lot better. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:28, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== I edited general information about Posion-types ==
I don't really like Posion-types either, but it doesn't seem much objective to write "one of the worst types" about them.

== "On the other hand" ==
Reworded the offensive/defensive sections slightly. "On the other hand" is used when you're comparing the pros/cons of something (e.g, "Shuckle can take a serious beating; on the other hand, its damage output is too low to even be considered 'crappy'"), not when you're adding support to something that's already been said. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== quick question ==
Question: what would a poison attack look like in the anime? Like a sludge bomb, or an acid, for instance? because I have a theory about shaymin that I need to complete.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|16ipodfanatic}} ([[User talk:16ipodfanatic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/16ipodfanatic|contribs]]) ''
:That's easy. Look at the articles. [[Sludge Bomb (move)#In_the_anime|here.]]--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 16:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks![[User:16ipodfanatic|16ipodfanatic]] 12:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

"It is also the only move capable of badly poisoning the foe that does not have the word "Toxic" in its name."

What about '''Toxic Spikes'''? {{unsigned|Pjbarnoy}}
:Read it again. It says ''It is also the only move capable of badly poisoning the foe that does '''<big>not</big>''' have the word "Toxic" in its name.'' <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== notable trainers ==

why is aya mentioned? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

2010-09-14T20:16:20Z

Kanjo: /* Trivia? */ new section

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox]] to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version]] of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hiragana vs. Kanji ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index.html#list] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" to something like "''Aside from the usual game menus and text in {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}}, there is now also the option of a {{wp|kanji}} mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults.''" As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the '''option''' of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== NGamer - 157? ==

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==season==
since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colours ==

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

[[User:Makuta Zero|Makuta Zero]] 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Monochrome generation? ==

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey {{Unsigned|Ares5566}}
:I'd like to inform you of a few things
:1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

:2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

:3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Updated ==

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site.
[[User:Shinji-San|Shinji-San]] 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

== The fan name is wrong ==

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. {{unsigned|Slyver333}}
:According to Wikipedia's article on {{wp|Monochrome}}, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number of new pokes. ==

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes ([http://pokebeach.com/2010/08/black-white-wii-commercials-reveal-many-new-scenes Pokebeach says so anyways]) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anthing for Trivia? ==

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:# Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
:# Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to {{bmgf|56930|this thread on the forums}}.
:# Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Akinator ([http://www.akinator.com here]), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Snivy (Pokémon)

2010-09-13T13:52:02Z

Kanjo: /* Tsutarja and the evolution were made from the image of the Europe and America. */

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== origin ==
Given that the "ja" means "snake" (acording to Pokebeach), I think it is safe to assume that Tsutaaja is based on a snake. Mind putting that in the page? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 00:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Tsutaaja is the くさへびポケモン (Grass Snake Pokémon).
Tsuta (蔦) means ivy and Ja is another reading for hebi (蛇), which means snake.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:How many snakes do you know have feet? I doubt that is a correct translation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::The translation is pretty accurate, the source may be not. But the source has nailed the description of the protagonists, the region name, the fact that the other starters were a fire pig and a sea otter before the scans leaked... And I have seen freaky snakes with legs.. XD Mutations nonetheless. And that would be "Grass Snake" as in a snake of/from grass, not as in the real world species "Grass Snake".--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There actually is a type of snake with legs, albeit really small ones. It's native to Australia, if I remember right. I know they have one at the Cairns Zoo, anyway. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus this doesn't have feet, but it looks like tsutaaja [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxybelis_fulgidus I would sooner assume Tsutaaja is based off of a Vine Snake. In fact, I'd say it's fairly definite. [[User:Flint|Flint]] 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::: I think Origin should just mention grass snakes (green kind mostly) instead of getting very technical with species, seeing as there is far too many snakes that Tsutaaja may be based on. And maybe that early tidbit of a very few snakes having legs could also be mentioned. And is it just me, or does the collar it has kinda makes it resemble an unripened banana? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: It looks to me as though Tsutaaja may have been based off of a skink of sort, however skinks are closer related to lisards than snakes. I also think because this is a Pokémon that the collaring may have just as likely come from the fact that it is a grass type species. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== bad grammar in the Origin section ==

Can we fix this?: "Tsutaaja may be based off a lizard or a snake. Its shared traits with boths make it similar to skinks."
It should be "... with both makes it similar...". my dictionary and i are fairly sure "boths" isn't a word and the grammar in that sentence is atrocious anyway. --[[User:Lulu chan126|Lulu chan126]] 22:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== images ==

Uhh, I have the three guys images saved, to upload, if a mod can do that...
[http://img24.imageshack.us/i/497pokabu.png/][http://img219.imageshack.us/i/500mijumaru.png/][http://img10.imageshack.us/i/494tsutaaja.png/] [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 05:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

:As do I, but I Beilieve the Admin isn't allowing editing for those Images . . . not that any are even there. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 07:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've seen them on Legendary Pokémon fan site. Not sure if it is okay to use them. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::sprites too, along with zoroark's...[http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1666/spritesu.png] {{unsigned|Megadog}}

== height ==

the height and weight of it is 0.6 m and 8.1 kg {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Got a source that isn't Serebii? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Filb.de, trom. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Acceptable Speculation? ==
Is it alright to add in details that have been present for all of the Pokemon starters so far; such as EXP At Level 100, EXP Yield, and Gender Ratio? After four generations of Pokemon games having them identical, it's highly unlikely to be different this time. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 11:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Passing off unsourced speculation as fact is bad. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:: You say that, but the starters all have National Dex numbers (494, etc.). Where does ''that'' information come from? I know it's an educated guess, but at the moment it's still just a guess. The same goes for the types - do we know they're all pure types? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We know at least one of their types. So we put that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Should we at least list their secondary types as {{type2|???}} to indicate that we only know their primary types? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name romanization ==

Why are we romanizing the name as "Tsutaaja"? {{bp|Manual of style/Romanization}} states that macrons should be used instead of doubling letters, unless the trademarked romanization begs to differ. And there is no trademarked romanization (I scoured the trademark database last night) - we don't even have official confirmation that these ''are'' the starters' names.

I mean, I personally don't like macrons, but shouldn't we romanize it as "Tsutāja," as per the MoS? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Most people would link to the redirect anyway... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shouldn't we just call it Tsutaja? When {{p|Piplup|Pocchama}} was first revealed it was just romanized as Pochama on this site. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 21:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not going to stick this way anyway, I'd just leave it. Unless we rename the page [http://kotaku.com/5538319/pokemons-smugleaf-a-meme-in-the-making/ Smugleaf]. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::::No, we should use this name 'tsutaaja' till we don't gate its official English name..! -{{u|Amitrc7th}}

:::::FYI, this site would prefer to use trademarked romaji if it's available. We never romanized ポッチャマ as Potchama or Pocchama because we were given both the official katakana and the official romaji (Pochama) on the same day. We should have official romaji soon, and I'm pretty sure that no official romaji has ever used a macron, so this whole issue should be a moot point soon. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 06:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.6m (2ft)

Weight: 8.1kg (17.9Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:Well, you don't really have to look at pokebeach for that one. You can just look at the scans. XD
:But yeah, those (in metric system) are accurate. And I don't really understand why haven't anyone added those. o_O They added the ability and species, but those are on the very same scan as height and weight. Also, the name origin is pretty much a given already. Can someone add all those, please?--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== In the anime ==
Tsutarja, is a reptile-based [[Grass-type]] [[starter]] Pokémon. Since [[Ash Ketchum]] (Satoshi) has captured all the Grass-type starters and most of reptile-like Pokémons, it is highly possible that he will get this Pokémon somehow in Black and White saga (if he is going to appear in this anime saga). -{{u|Amitrc7th}}
:That's speculation. Bulbapedia has rules against speculation, so it won't be added to the page until he catches it (if he does). By the way, please put new comments at the bottom of the page. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Please bring these conversation to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[[File:SpriteTstuaaja.png|thumb|right]]

== This needs to be moved. ==

To Tsutāja. You know, long a's and stuff. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 19:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:I believe that the reason the article is at Tsutaaja for the time being is that we want to avoid using extraneous characters whenever possible in page titles. For some reason, it puts a strain on the server. At least, that's what I recall us deciding awhile back... I could be wrong, though. Either way, the double "a" indicates the same sound without the special character. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Haven't you noted Tsutaaja's striking resemblance to {{wp|Uroplatus phantasticus|this gecko}}? A reptile with a tail that looks like a leaf. It has rather huge eyes, too, just like Tsutaaja. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 21:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Eh it's a possibility, but since it's a "snake" Pokémon I doubt it...[[User:.insomniac.|«ιɴsσ]]м[[User_talk:.insomniac.|ɴιαc»]] 07:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::But do we have any snakes that also have a leaf-like tail? Sure snakes with legs exist, but Tsutaaja does seem to have characteristics of both snakes and lizards. I don't think this debate will ever end... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey look, it's a {{p|Treecko}}. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 00:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I really think this might be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_Snake glass snake]. They're actually lizards, but they resemble snakes. The leafy tail must be just decoration. :P -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 14:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:We will know more about this Pokémon come the English-language release (or, if we're lucky, the Jp release). Until then we will go on the most vague sort of information we've got. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

"Tsutaaja is a Grass-type lizard-like Pokémon. "
That should read "Tsutaaja is a Grass-type Snake Pokemon" or "snake-like Pokemon"

It's Japanese name and species name clearly define it as a snake, regardless of whether or not it has legs, officially, it is a snake. -Daisuke
:Appearance wise, it's a lizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Not necesarilly. There ''are'' types of snakes with legs. If anyone has a list of animals at Cairns Zoo in Queensland, Australia, they have them there. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name dispute ==

As stated [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=63621 here], http://www.pokabu.com/ and http://www.mijumaru.com/ are both correctly registered by TPCi, but there's no tsutaaja.com. There is a correctly registered http://www.tsutarja.com/ though. This is the closest we'll get right now to a trademarked name, and this romanization has been used on other sites before. Should this be changed?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Meh, I say keep it as it is, and create Tsutarja as a redirect. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::How come? That was a fandone romanization, while this one's official.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't all romanizations fandone at heart? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::...no... It's called [[List of Japanese Pokémon names|trademarked romaji]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hm, it seems then that it is Tsutarja. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
As well, Filb is calling the Pokémon Tsutāja. Is this just another romanization of the name? –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 05:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::I still don't understand. It's written Tsutaaja, on the show they pronounce it Tsutaaja, there's no other way to read it than Tsutaaja...But they call its Tsutarja? There's a big difference. If it was Tsutarja, it would probably be ツタアルジャ, not　ツタアージャ. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 19:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::No, that is not how it works. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::They ''did'' pronounce it as "tah-jah" on Pokemon Sunday though. If that means anything. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Five char limit in Pokemon, even if they changed the limit for JP games... it wouldn't be ツタアージャ (romanized as "Tsutaa'aja", I believe?), and "アー" can be romanized as an "ar" sometimes. Also... I'm pretty sure they also pronounced "Pocket Monsters" as "poketto monsutaa" on Pokesun (from what I can hear anyway, they talk too faaaaaast). So yeah. D: ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually there isn't a big difference between Tsutaaja and Tsutarja. It's called a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents non-rhotic] r. You may have noticed that people from London or Boston tend to not pronounce the letter r when it's and the end of a word or before a consonant. Well, in Japanese the r sound can only ever come before a vowel, so when the letter r is at the end of a word or before a consonant they tend to approximate the sound with a long a, sometimes written aa. Take my name, Peter, for example. Someone from London or Boston would probably drop the r sound at the end, and likewise the Japanese approximate it as ピーター and pronounce it Piitaa. R's before consonants or at the ends of words are almost always approximated by a long a and not a ル. {{unsigned|Drapion}}
::::Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for ar/er is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト (ānesuto), Schumaker is シュメイカー (shumeikā), etc. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Bird of Paradise Flower ==

I know that the new pokemon is based on a grass snake, but if you look at it's snout and it's tail, it reminds me of a {{wp|Strelitzia}} a.k.a. the Bird of Paradise Flower. I know that this is a foolish question, but I suggest that you should put that in to what the new pokemon is based of in Origin? - [[User:Cynthia149]] 09:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe this got a "no" when you suggested it before... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I contacted that question to [[User:TTEchidna]] weeks ago, and he said that the origin will be changed when more info is unleashed. You have a look at the flower when the pod is closed, and then you will see the resembelence to this new Pokemon. - [[User:Cynthia149]] 20:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If that's what he said, then that's what we're going by. We have not gotten any more information on the starters since then. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::When the information is ''unleashed''? Is it going to turn into a [[wp:Sonic Unleashed|werewolf?]] -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==

According to a video, This pokemon either used Razor Leaf or Leaf Storm, I am not sure which...[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's Leaf Storm, to clarify. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:But we don't know what level it learns it at, so there's not really anywhere we can put it in the article.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology to be added by admins ==

I wrote up a physical description of Tsutarja for the Physiology section, since as of now it's pretty sparce. I know there's certain info that can't be added as of now, but I don't see why we can't have basic appearance descriptions. Besides, Pokabu has a much more extensive Physiology section. It's up for use if someone wants to add it.

"Tsutarja is a reptilian Grass-type Pokémon. Most of its body is green in coloration, while it has a cream-colored underside. A yellow stripe runs down the length of its back and tail, and it also has yellow markings around its large eyes. Yellow, curved structures protrude from its shoulders and bend backwards. These structures resemble leaves or small wings and give Tsutarja the appearance of wearing a collar. In spite of being snake-like in appearance, it has fully-developed limbs. Its slender arms are the same green color as the rest of its body and have three fingers, while its tiny feet match its underside in coloration and have no digits whatsoever. It has large, palmate leaf with three prongs on the end of its tail.

[[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] 02:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)Togeknight

== First Evolution? ==

In the recent Black/White Anime series leak on [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Anime_season_title_revealed Bulbanews], an image was released that includes what looks to be first evolutions for, at the very least, Tsutarja and Mijumaru. I think Pokabu's first evolution is there as well next to the new female character. Either way, is there any way to crop down those images and place them in the articles, or is this a case of "wait for clearer images?" --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 17:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

that thing looks nothing like pokabu...even more so than the whole remoraid octillery thing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC))
:This is both a case of clearer images. Anything like that would be speculation. It may look the same, but may not be related. We'd need further confirmation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tsutarja's evolution's name is Kenayake (ケナャーケ) [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

:Even the biggest scans I can find of them are too small for them to be sharpened and still be readable, but the katakana would be ケナヤーケ, not ケナャーケ, which is Kenayaake, but if it follows Tsutarja, it's probably gonna be Kenayarke. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 23:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it says Tsutakake (ツタケーク), but even if that what it says, we have absolutely no idea if that's the final name for it. (I say this because, on the character sheet in question, Tsutarja is called "Ivy" and Mijumaru is called something like "Rakkomaru." Uhh...?) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest we leave the matter alone until something official pops up. The character sheet's names are small, and up to interpretation. And even if we manage to find which translation is correct, the name could change at any time. And to that point, the design itself could change since it appeared on beta artwork.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, but this was beta artwork for the ''animé'', not the games. I'm sure the finalized versions of the Pokémon were set long before that beta artwork was released.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 01:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Smugleaf ==

Since we mentioned the "so i herd u liek mudkipz" internet meme in the trivia section on Mudkip's page, should we mention the "Smugleaf" internet meme in the trivia page for this article? - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:Because "so i herd u like mudkipz" was added to Mudkips trivia it would make sens to put it in there. But do the admins realy want information on something as unofficial as memes? I think it would be best to wait for a response from a member of the Bulbagarden staff. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 2:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::How far has this new meme spread? "so i herd u liek mudkipz" was a well established meme by the time we added it. Does this even come close? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I beleve it was created by a youtuber calld IAMTHEOBNXIOUSDOUCHE. It has three vidios making it a small series, all three vidios currantly have together have 8188 veiws. The first vidio was posted two months ago. The only article I've seen about it anywher els (there may be more outside of this) is KOTAKU who apparently claimed it as there own creation. In short it is not very well known but it is growing.[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It's spread to a forum populated almost entirely by Sonic fans, and the users of that forum will probably be referring to it as Smugleaf until the English name is revealed. I think that's pretty far for a Pokémon-related internet meme. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::If thats true would it be right to say that the meme had earnd it the nickname Smugleaf, because that may be a piece of trivia to mention in the future. (assuming that the official name does not actualy become Smugleaf wich it most likely will not) [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Basically, most people know Tsutarja as Smugleaf. Its far easier to say/type, and has become widespread. It started literally the first day the starters were announced. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But that still makes it a fan-made nickname, should we mention it in the trivia section or leave it alone?[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 7:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I say we mention it in trivia - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::::::So hey, who remembers the fan nicknames that were given to the fourth-gen starters before their English names were revealed?
:::::::::...Yeah, that's right, neither do I. And four years from now, I'll bet no one will remember "Smugleaf" either. So, I say not notable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/smugleaf --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 02:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe we should wait until this nickname becomes a little more widespread. The point at which it would be considered widespread enough to add to the page could be decided by the Bulbapedia staff. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: The nickname isn't the real dispute its the meme based on a youtube vidio that we thougt should be put in. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Can we please just drop it until, as {{u|Steph}} says, things are handled a bit better in the sense we wait? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Everywhere I looked when the Gen4 starters were released, they were referred to by their Japanese name. Tsutarja, however, seems to carry the name Smugleaf with it everywhere it goes. It's a very widespread nickname from what I can tell. I've yet to meet any Pokémon fan who doesn't refere to it by this nickname so I see no reason for it to be exluded from the trivia section. Less significant things have made it into articals before and stuck. However, this so-called youtube meme... I've never heard of it.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 02:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::If it's name does turn out to be Smugleaf, it'll go down. Just wait. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it could be added after we get an English name. Also, I think it should be noted that the name was mentioned in my Official Nintendo Magazine Australia and New Zealand as a popular fan name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Pics or it didn't happen. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w355/SnorlaxMonster/IMG.jpg] It's too big for the archives, so I uploaded it to Photobucket. Pics prove it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::No idea that magazine even existed. I really only wanted the pics for the proof of the magazine :D Can you write an article on it? Also... [[a:File:NZAU Magazine Scan.jpg|I think I might just be awesome. Or something]] :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

===English name===
I bet it's "Snivy" or something, like all other Pokémon have similar English and Japanese name meanings. And you all are getting worked up over nothing. When stuff becomes notable, they will acknowledge it. After all, remember that hype in May of 2009? They picked up on it. They knew we wanted it. And then they announced it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== About its National number ==

Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you'd not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it's gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you'd know there's 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like "let's see how many they added" and more like "oh, there's so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...". Sure, futile anyway, given that we'll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we've had since Gen I.

Tsutarja, until further notice, is staying at #494. We cannot assume anything different than it directly following Arceus, just as Chikorita followed Mew, Treecko followed Celebi, and Turtwig followed Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Poor Origin Species Choice ==

The Origin Section on Tsutarja's page lables it as "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus Opheodrys aestivus], more commonly known as the rough green snake or green grass snake". I honsetly STRONGLY disagree with this noition. Other than the somewhat-similar color scheme, there's not TOO much in common- the face is WAY too different. I think that Tsutarja is MUCH more likely based on a somewhat-popular species [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Oxybelis_fulgidus_4.jpg known] [http://www.naturfoto-cz.de/photos/sevcik/green-vine-snake--oxybelis-fulgidus.jpg as the] [http://travel.mongabay.com/animals/080923/600/brnxz_711.jpg Vine] [http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog_images/best_photos_2009/9_TRAVEL_COSTARICA_JMG9804_c.jpeg Snake]. The Vine Snake is a snake species found all throughout the Americas. Specifically notice the very similar ''pointed nose'', that the Rough Green Snake notably lacks. Also note the similar nostril and the very sharp line that passes straight through it's eye. ...Thoughts? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 04:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think you may be right.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== evolutionary lvls ==

Shouldn't we write evolves at lvl 16 and will evolve a second time at 36. or somthing along thoes lines. Becasue we all know thoes are the evolutionary levles for all starters.--[[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Confirmation. We need it before we add anything to the articles.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 00:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Monferno: evolves from Chimchar at 14. Grotle: evolves from Turtwig at 18 and into Torterra at 32. So yeah, it isn't confirmed without confirmation. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

NO! Turtwig evolvs at 16 i already checked [[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Turtwig is my favorite Pokémon, I should know. Because that isn't proof, see {{p|Turtwig|this article}}. It says Turtwig evolves at 18. I also know because I have a level 17 Turtwig and it never once said it was going to evolve. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{u|Turtwig A|TA}}'s right. We won't know for sure until its officially revealed. There's nothing wrong with waiting. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 00:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Trust me, they could break entirely with tradition here. For all we know, all three of this new [[country]]'s starters could evolve for the first time at level 30 and the second time at level 55. Yes, if the previous countries' patterns actually counted for anything, this would suggest that all three starters would evolve first at level 16 and the second time around level 36, but there's no guarantee that the country of Isshu has to adhere to any odd-numbered-generation patterns that the countries of Kanto and Hoenn might have otherwise implied...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, there is no pattern. Currently the starters evolve from level 14-18, then 30-36. There isn't very much consistency, especially not enough for us to assume anything. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Head shaped like Cyndaquil's ==

I noticed Tsutarja's head is shaped alot like Cyndaquil's head. Would this be worth mentioning in the physiology section? After all, it is also mentioned that Piplup looks a little like Torchic and Pachirisu resembling Pikachu. Also worth mentioning its resemblance to Treecko and all grass starters so far being reptilian? --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Uh... no. First of all, I don't see the resemblance. Secondly, in the two cases you cited, the resemblance is far more than superficial. Piplup and Torchic are both small bird Pokémon with ovoid heads, tiny beaks, etc. When you consider that they're the only bird-based starter Pokémon, that can make for worthwhile trivia. Pachirisu and Pikachu are obviously similar—both are electric-type, small rodent Pokémon which store electricity in their cheeks... but Tsutarja is snake-or-lizard-like, while Cyndaquil is like a shrew; their eyes are noticably different... You need a little more to go on than "their heads are vaguely similar in shape (if you squint)." {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}

Well the only reason I mentioned it is only because their heads were similar, and that was the only similarity they have and I thought it would be worth mentioning that one similarity. They don't have to be based on the same animal in order to have a similarity somewhere. (Well of course except for color, that isn't enough of a similarity) Tsutarja's head IS similar shaped to Cyndaquil's head, but only the facial features are different, apart from the nose and mouth being in a similar location on their face. If Piplup's head was differently shaped and had different facial features, it probably wouldn't have been compared to Torchic, and if Pachirisu had no cheek pouches, it probably wouldn't be compared with Pikachu. The only other similarity is that they are birds and rodents, but different species. It's like comparing Taillow to Spearow. But if Cyndaquil and Tsutarja's head shape is not enough to mention as it's their one and only similarity, would it still be enough to mention that all grass type starters so far are reptilian? (Probably best to put it in the starter Pokémon section) Oh and you forgot to sign your comment. --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 21:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see any resemblance at all. I think those other resemblance points should be removed too, save for Lapras/Shellos, as many people did believe they were related by evolution before Gastrodon was revealed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

We have a beggining of Learnset by levelling-up about Tsutarja (as well as [[Pokabu]], [[Mijumaru]], [[Zorua]], [[Zoroark]], [[Reshiram]], [[Zekrom]], [[Moguryu]] and all the other ones) in German at [http://www.pokewiki.de http://www.pokewiki.de] {{unsigned|Wolfy Harfleur 76700}}

== Chlorophyll ==

Is it worth noting that even though it's Pokédex entry states that it's movements sharpen in sunlight, it cannot have the ability [[Chlorophyll_(ability)|Chlorophyll]]? {{unsigned|Pawsrent}}
:I don't know. With that new Dream World feature, which gives Pokémon new abilities, Tsutarja could be able to get Chlorophyll as a second ability. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Updated origin ==

Tsutarja is most likely based on ''{{wp|Oxybelis fulgidus}}'', a slender snake with a pointed head that inhabits {{wp|Central America}} and {{wp|South America}}. The Pokémon's combination of snake- and lizard-like features is also similar to that of the {{wp|skink}}, more specifically the {{wp|Neoseps}}. Neoseps heavilly resemble snakes but have small, stubby legs. Its head and general body shape, as well as its protrusions on its shoulders, are most likely based on the {{wp|Strelitzia|birds of paradise flowers}} and possibly the {{wp|Heliconia|false birds of paradise}}.

[[User:050294|050294]] 00:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

==National Pokedex # ==

Won't Victini come before it on the national pokedex making it #455?[[User:Captian Obvious|Captian Obvious]] 18:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:No, it's {{p|Carnivine}}.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::He means 495, and actually, all we know is that Victini is before Tsutarja in the Isshu Dex, we don't know if they may give Victini a number with the legends since Victini is a legend itself. D: --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:::The National Dex order doesn't always follow the Region Dex order. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm personally of the theory that Victini may even be #000 (inter)nationally. Of course, you could've just scrolled up, since I addressed this when we were told Victini is #000. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== A little more on origin ==

I know it's a bit early to say this, but after seeing the leaked evolutions, I've noticed that the middle evolution seems to have much smaller, deformed limbs, as if it was transitioning to losing its limbs for the final evolution which is more snake-like. Thinking a bit, according to the fossil record, some snakes are descendants of lizards. Meaning it was likely that snakes used to have limbs and eventually lost them as the populations evolved. Tsutarja's evolutions seems to reference that.

Would this be notable to mention in the evolutions' articles? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh look, someone agrees with me. I, too, believe that that Tsutarja is based of off actual evolution, considering that Janoby has smaller limbs than Tsutarja, and the final evo shall have even smaller limbs, if any at all. Most starter evos appear to based on them growing up than real evolution. Tsutarja's doesn't. [[User:Phoen|Black, White, and.... Purple?!? (Phoen!)]] 18:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:Losing limbs can happen during a creatures life-cycle. Some species of skinks do lose their arms and legs once they reach adulthood and even more familiar; catterpiler(12 limbs) >> Buterfly(6 limbs). Just thaught I should point that out. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 19:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tsutarja and the evolution were made from the image of the Europe and America. ==

It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It supplements. It is described by the developer, it is "和洋中(wayouchuu)".

Mijumaru 和(Japan).　Tsutarja 洋(Europe and America).　Pokabu 中(China).

"洋" has a hard time translating because it is vague. It is explained, "Foreign country" and "Europe and America" in wiktionary. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:On this topic, I noticed something just now. Looking at [http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/bwpia_draw06.jpg this image] from Pokébeach, it seems Tsutarja has got a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis Fleur-de-lis] design on the back of his neck/collar. Just reading the Wiki article reminds me of Tsutarja. Anyone else agree? [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 04:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
::I think you may be on to somthing, it was stated that Tsutarja's persanality was based on French royalty so that is most lkely what it is supposed to be. I would put that under apperance, somthing like (The Yellow markings on Tsutarja's back are reminiscent of the Fleur-de-lis). {{unsigned|EpicShadow}}
::洋 means "western" (as used from a Japanese/Asian perspective), at least in this case it definitely does. (和食 means "Japanese food", 洋食 means "Western food") [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anime ==

[[File:Tsutarja-anime.png|thumb|left|250px|Tsutarja in the anime]]
Does this deserve to be added to the anime section of the page? I think it would definetly be an improvement from having nothing. Maybe also adding that Shooti owns one that battles Ash's Pikachu in the first episode. [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 13:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:Did you have to add a picture that looks exactly like the one I use on my profile? (cept png) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 13:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:: well this one is better quality which, I thought, is always better. [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 13:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:DP184

2010-07-18T11:42:35Z

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==Dare I ask?==
Why is Darkrai on the list of Pokémon in this and the next episode? Even if it is hidden, what the hell? I believe Heatran was confirmed to be the legendary in the league. And even then, what possible evidence points to Darkrai? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:[http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/live1277593892780.jpg This]. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Barry's loss ==

It should be there... It's not speculation, because we know Paul is moving on. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:I know but we don't know whether Paul will beat Barry in DP184 or in DP185. To avoid speculation, Major Events are always mentioned after the episode airs. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 03:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
::I don't want this to get out of hand that it's forum-needed, but it's also possible that they tie. Just saying. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== What about Giga Impact? ==

As far as I can see, didn't Paul's Electivire learn Giga Impact, as a result of its evolution into its final form? Isn't this noteworthy? Sorry I am a long time fan of Bulbapedia, brand new to editing.

--[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnightDTV]] 04:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so because it is not a main characters pokemon.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 22:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:...What about it? It's mentioned under Major events. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Darkrai trainer ==

Conway said his name is Takuto, and he won the first two rounds as well as all his gym badges with only Darkrai. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Snivy (Pokémon)

2010-05-13T12:38:14Z

Kanjo: /* Intro */

I think those images are pretty good.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 07:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Given that the "ja" means "snake" (acording to Pokebeach), I think it is safe to assume that Tsutaaja is based on a snake. Mind putting that in the page? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 00:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Tsutaaja is the くさへびポケモン (Grass Snake Pokémon).
Tsuta (蔦) means ivy and Ja is another reading for hebi (蛇), which means snake.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:How many snakes do you know have feet? I doubt that is a correct translation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::The translation is pretty accurate, the source may be not. But the source has nailed the description of the protagonists, the region name, the fact that the other starters were a fire pig and a sea otter before the scans leaked... And I have seen freaky snakes with legs.. XD Mutations nonetheless. And that would be "Grass Snake" as in a snake of/from grass, not as in the real world species "Grass Snake".--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There actually is a type of snake with legs, albeit really small ones. It's native to Australia, if I remember right. I know they have one at the Cairns Zoo, anyway. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus this doesn't have feet, but it looks like tsutaaja [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== images ==

Uhh, I have the three guys images saved, to upload, if a mod can do that...
[http://img24.imageshack.us/i/497pokabu.png/][http://img219.imageshack.us/i/500mijumaru.png/][http://img10.imageshack.us/i/494tsutaaja.png/] [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 05:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

:As do I, but I Beilieve the Admin isn't allowing editing for those Images . . . not that any are even there. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 07:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== height ==

the height and weight of it is 0.6 m and 8.1 kg {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Got a source that isn't Serebii? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Acceptable Speculation? ==
Is it alright to add in details that have been present for all of the Pokemon starters so far; such as EXP At Level 100, EXP Yield, and Gender Ratio? After four generations of Pokemon games having them identical, it's highly unlikely to be different this time. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 11:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Passing off unsourced speculation as fact is bad. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

User talk:RexRacer

2010-05-09T09:19:19Z

Kanjo: /* hopefully not too annoying query */

{{User:RexRacer/Archive}}

Go for it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 23:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Berries ==

Since you're the leader of Project BerryDex; {{u|Takharii}} suggested on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Project BerryDex|project talk page]] that a template should be developed for their locations. [[User:Werdnae/Sandbox|I've made an example]], but I was wondering 1) whether you think it's a good idea and 2) whether I should use colour from the Berry infobox or the colourscheme for the berry pocket of the bag? Thanks in advance. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this looks cool. I think it's a good idea, but could use some refining. For example, I'd like to see a show/hide function for each game. So I'd be looking at a list of games and see "oh, I'm playing RSE, I can get the Wepear berry over here" without having to scroll down an immense table. I'm down with you using the colorschemes, though. Thanks for helping out!--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 19:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit like this? I had to make the game labels horizontal so that they would show/hide correctly, so I gave them the colour, but then they were too hard to see, so I made the dark bits light and the light bits dark. Shold I leave them like that or just make the headings white so the game labels are clearer? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

==Will you ban me?==
HEY! Why did you delete the page I made?! Your damn lucky I saved it, cause you deleted it! I'll just keep posting it, you know that! I had it on there for 5 damn minutes! And it got deleted! You're a JERK! And a nerd! You spend all day on Bulbapedia so 5 minutes after you see someones page, you can DELETE it! I will spam up this site! Im putting the page back up. If you want the site spammed, then just delete it again. {{unsigned|Mynameistikal }}
:lol--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, Rex, you jerk. Don't break the wiki. I'm gonna spam up your talk page... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

==unabuse==
Hey, a little over ten days ago you put me on abuse and you said to ask you about it again after 10 days, and i've edited quite a few things since then and I was wondering if it was possible for you to take me off of it yet. Thanks, --[[User:Sanjayasmypapaya|SanjayasMy]][[User talk:Sanjayasmypapaya|Papaya]] 03:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== hopefully not too annoying query ==

I was wondering why you deleted this page http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Pok%C3%A9Sun_May09_10.png&action=edit&redlink=1
I was really hoping for an answer to my question [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 00:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:@ Kanjo, the reason it's removed is because it's speculation. That sort of stuff is meant for the forums. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::but my comment? I seen the speculation bit but it had nothing to do with what I said [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 09:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

User talk:RexRacer

2010-05-09T00:44:44Z

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Talk:Main Page/Archive 10

2010-04-02T08:34:55Z

Kanjo: Undo revision 1040814 by Kanjo (Talk) -"slowpedia" +"bulbapedia"

This is the [[Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk page]] for the Bulbapedia's front page. If you have a general comment about the wiki, please consider placing it in [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 our forum].'''

== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
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== Route exploration requirements ==

As a continuation from the archived discussion, I'm going to incorporate the "Requirements to fully explore this area" as part of the route description on each article, instead of it having its own section. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:brilliant idea. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, please do not. Most administers agreed against the case. If you want to write up a "Geography" or "Route description" section including HM/TM requirement, please do. But do not create a section for it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Image of nothing? ==

I've noticed there's an image called File:None.png. It's just a blank white image, and in the summary it says, "Image of nothing". What's the point in it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:If it were perfectly square, it could be used better as a spacer... buuuuut no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::They're for the itemlist template for items that don't have any images (the Gen II berries for example).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 00:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== valentine's day ==

since it's valentine's day tomorrow, could we make the main page luvdisc themed? or something? i think it would be cool. [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 23:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia anniversary celebrations are your Valentine's present. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

This image of Erika with this Bulbasaur looks really odd. How about a better picture. I'd offer to make a new one. {{unsigned|LucaLucario}}
: WOW! This is different! But I do agree about the pic. Everything else, excellent! - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 12:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree. It fits but it looks a bit off. Did admins vote on this or something? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 14:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== The new theme ==

The new Bulbapedia theme is great, but there is a slight problem. The logo "Erika's Garden", and the links for Article, Discussion, Edit etc come up on top of the site content, making it virtually impossible to read the first few paragraphs of each article. Is this a minor glitch due to the theme being very new, or is it a problem with my computer/browser? I hope somebody can fix it soon, thanks! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hm. Apparently the problem occures only in IE, it's perfectly fine on Firefox. Jio will have to take a look at it. In the meanwhile, we strongly suggest you try viewing Bulbapedia in Firefox and not IE, it looks much better there. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 13:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I've got AOL 9.0, I could try that. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, it's the same in AOL. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Then you should try Firefox. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I would but my computer's hard drive is practically full, I really cannot download anything more. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, okay. But it is better to use firefox because all the features of BulbaTrio works absolutely fine on it. Anyway, try to uninstall useless programs if you want free space. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Believe me, I've tried everything to free up my hard drive! Anyway, this is going a little off-topic now. I would really appreciate it if you could make the new theme work on IE, but there's no rush, I'll be patient! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I hate this look and i don't have firefox. Personally, i think we should either revert back to the old look until it is fixed or have a thing like we do in the forums, choosing what display we have. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Which version of Internet Explorer are you using? That may play a role in your problem; I'm using Internet Explorer 8, and everything on that skin's showing up just fine for me. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::IE8 s well, and everything is OK except the main page and every talk page. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, can you make it so that the buttons(article, discussion, ect.)aren't in the way? [[User:Crazylegs24]]
:::::::::I'm using Internet Explorer 7, maybe that could be the root of the problem. I'm sure there's enough space on my hard drive to upgrade, it's not the same as downloading a whole new programme. Perhaps I'll have a go at that. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 17:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

=== Hmm... ===
*I'm wondering if there is a way to make Bulbapedia look like the old design. I liked it more. :( [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Raichu]] 17:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:My preferences → Skin → Monobook. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 17:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::Hey, Bulbapedia is all messed up. Like I can't even welcome cause ther is text in they way. I like the design, but know i can't do anything. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then go [[Special:Preferences|HERE]], choose the "skin" tab, and change it to Monobook until this can be figured out. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::There's just one problem... the "Erika's Garden" logo is covering up the "Skins" option so it can't be changed. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Exactly, i can't change it! [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Maybe it's your computers. It's not covering it up for me. :V [[User:Tyro|Tyro]] 18:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Read the "The new theme" discussion above. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I know about Tyro's case. Hey Mudkiplu, which browser are you using? Well, I tried Opera, Chrome and Firefox, it is 1000% working fine on all of them. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I use Internet explorer. I could try opera i guess. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Taro is also using IE and he is facing the exact same problem. So, I guess the problem is in the internet explorer not bulbapedia. Try firfox or opera and then check whether it is working fine or not. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::It is working fine in Opera, but could you change it to work on Internet Explorer too? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::For those of you who are having problems changing the skin because the logo is in the way, I've just found a solution. Resize the internet window so that the "Skins" link goes below the logo. Then you can go to the Skins page and select Monobook. Hmm... Taro... I rather like that! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Bingo, {{tt|I knew it|Man, I really hate IE due to these kind of problems}}. Anyway, sorry bud I am not an admin and I think {{tt|only admins can fix this problem completely|at least I don't know how to fix it :P}}. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Don't worry I can make do with Monobook for the time being. Um... we're starting to run out of space down here in the bottom right corner! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

For me, the skin tab is totally missing. Is there something wrong? --[[User:LatiasGemstone|'''LG''']][[User talk:LatiasGemstone|T]] 01:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:I am not even seeing a new skin or anything. If I didn't see this discussion, I wouldn't know there was a new skin. I am using Chrome if that helps find my problem. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 02:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

::It's being worked on right now; if I'm not mistaken, the skins are currently disabled while it's fixed, so bear with it for a little while if you're still stuck with a buggy skin. (if you absolutely must edit now and you're seeing errors in the skin, download a browser that supports current CSS 2.0 standards, such as Firefox, Opera, or Safari. Internet Explorer is particularly notable for not maintaining web standards.) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The new theme of bulbapedia is looking too bad (if you ask me). Really, it doesn't suit to bulbapedia at all. Please, can you change it back? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah the green and red/pink really doesn't even flow well, just looks so random, it was better the old way. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 09:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's for '''one day''', to celebrate the 14th birthday of Pokémon. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::No offence, but it could have been better if it was a bit yellowish which highlights the color of main Pokémon (just saying :D). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 12:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's the anniversary of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]]. Hence, Red and Green. One day. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, then its cool (as it totally highlights red and green color). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 12:55, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Today is 1st March and celebration is over (I guess so). So, I think the theme should be changed now (it really looks odd on the main page but I think we can change it now as the anniversary is over). Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 17:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== Featured Article ==

What happened to the featured article section? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:It isn't here because the Did You Know is here. If the DYK is here, the FA isn't here and vice-versa. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::They switch every half month. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== uhhhh... what? ==

I am using firefox, and Bulbapedia just looks like it used to. What did I miss? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:Its fifth anniversary has passed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::I wish that skin could last longer...--[[Trainer stars|☆]][[User:Tobytse99|Toby]][[User talk:Tobytse99|Tse]][[Trainer stars|☆]] 04:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Wait, the skin was only for the fifth anniversary? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Look at the above discussion, please. The skin was designed for the fifth anniversary, but it broke and we turned it off. That's why no one can see it now. Mmkay? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:It broke? I thought it just didn't work in Explorer. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well that is the definition of "broken", but yes, that's not all that was going buggy with it. When things get completely ironed out, it'll make it back in as an optional skin, but I don't know when that will happen. The focus is on making the default skin look as good as possible right now. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 18:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:::And it looks great to me! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Countdown to HGSS Clock ==

The clock is mis-programmed. It's counting down to March 13th, at 11:00 PM.--[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 09:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? It's says 14th march for me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be counting down to March 14th, 4am UTC. Now the thing is that while daylight sasvings time starts on the 14th in the US this year, I don't think it starts until 2am on the day itself. So really it needs to count down to 5am UTC, and mention that it's counting to Eastern Standard Time rather than Eastern Daylight Time. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The clock is counting down to midnight EDT. Not like most stores will be open and selling the games at that point, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Server Problem? ==

Hey guys, are you facing the same problem that I am facing? All the bulba sites (forum + archieves + news + pedia) aren't working properly. Is there any problem in main server? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 13:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Same, whats happening (2nd try at it(!) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::I keep on coming up to a page saying there's too many people connected at one time. - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 21:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Its finally working (not perfectly but better than yesterday). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yesterday and earlier today I couldn't access Bulbapedia, it said "Bulbapedia has a problem" and to try reloading in a few minutes (which didn't work). Bulbagarden Forums still worked fine though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

== An idea for the anime location articles ==

I know, I know, I'm at it again! I was just wondering, would it be a good idea to have a list of the wild Pokémon which can be found in anime-only locations? There are many species of Pokémon that live in Alto Mare, for example. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:50, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think no. That information wouldn't be used by anybody and it would be silly and just take up time. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... I had a feeling someone would say that. Perhaps I'll just mention wild Pokémon in the anime section (like in the Alto Mare article). [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Pop them in the "In the anime" section of the article. Not as a template, just write a description.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== I'm gonna take a wild guess... ==

...and say it's the anniversary of Red/Green. Correct? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 06:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Yes yesterday was the 14 year anniversary of Pokemon since Red and Green were first released in Japan. I don't see why you need to add that to the talk page when you could have easily Googled it. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 07:01, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::There's another website besides Google that could have given the answer. It's called Bulbapedia. Ever heard of it? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry, just wondering... I just wanted to make sure, and even if I knew it was the annivesary, I wanted to know if the new skin for that day was official. Someone could have just said "Hahaha lolz hey doodz look what eye can doo! look, I maded da front page all prettyful!" You never know, what with all the idiots in the world. 'O course, it's protected (duh) but I didn't know that at the time of asking. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 04:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Main Page and its constituent templates are protected against doofuses. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== The "wanted articles" section needs updating! ==

I just started the wanted article "The Wobbuffet Village", only to find that the article already exists, under the title of "Wobbuffet Village". [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think ''The Wobbuffet Village'' is the title of a book, while ''Wobbuffet Village'' is the name of the place. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::The wanted pages list is cached. I think it updates every 24 hours. And yeah, [[Wobbuffet Village]] is the place, whereas {{red link|The Wobbuffet Village}} is the [[Pokémon Jr.]] book. That should probably be disambig'd somehow... --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see! It's a bit misleading though, maybe there should be a note in brackets beside each link explaining exactly what the article should be about. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== European Release ==

is there any chance that after this countdown ends, another for the European release begins? just so we all know how long we will have to wait... [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 12:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Nah, do the Australian one, seeing as it's a day before the European one.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 04:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::It's a week and a half later, guys. We'll count down when you guys get it first. English coverage of HGSS happens as soon as we get the game. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

==WiKirby - Possible for the NIWA?==

New wiki formed that I think will work for the Nintendo International Wiki Alliance? I am LuKirbio there. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think it has already been considered as I saw it on the NIWA forums thread for wikis to join the alliance, along with Metroid Wiki. Also, there is [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=101 this]. I'm Turtwig A there. [[User:Turtwig A|ナエトル]] [[Zoroark (Pokémon)|A]] [[Torterra (Pokémon)|or]] [[Turtwig|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] and my [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contributions]] 00:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Wikirby was made specifically for the reason that we made NIWA. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::if you have a question about NIWA, just go to the NIWA forums. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Logging out ==

I keep getting automatically logged out. Just pointing it out... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like an issue with your browser possibly, unless a lot of other people are having the same issue. I haven't had any trouble yet.
:If you're clearing out cookies at all, or cleaning your cache, it'll generally log you out, so double-check to make sure you're not accidentally deleting cookies or anything. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Unable to Save ==

Hey guys, I am facing this saving problem again. When ever I try to save an article (after editing it, offcourse) it always (most of the times) give me an error " ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in.'' " This problem occurred a long time ago but then it was over. I am facing this problem since 5 days. Can you help me out in solving it? Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 08:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:I have no idea, but remember, the main page talk page is not for general questions, it is on the subject of the front page itself. As for solving your problem, I would ask {{tt|MAGNEDETH|please don't get mad at me if you aren't the right guy, Mag!}}. He seems to be good at that stuff. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 04:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I think it's appropriate to ask questions like these on the Main talk page, where else would he go? If you look at the other questions, some of them are technical issue questions as well. As for your problem Adyniz, if this happens a lot, it might just be a problem on your end. I get this error too sometimes. It could be due to the server issues others have mentioned on this page. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 05:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I have this problem too, and deal with it be hitting the previous button to try again, until it is able to work. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Genking, I asked this question here because this page is not only for the looks purpose (I think), you can see some previous topics related to technical problems and some general issues not regarding to front page which includes Logging out, Server Problem, Featured Article, Route exploration requirements, Upload error, Since when... and Page history etc (not counting the problems of previous archieves). So, I don't feel anything wrong in asking question here. So, is it server issue or there is something wrong with my net/browser/pc? Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 11:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::This talk page is used for questions that involve the Pedia in a whole, which is why there are talk pages for specific questions about Pokémon, items, characters, and locations. And to answer your question Adyniz, they're working some stuff out with the servers, so it might be related, might not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, Thanks. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, I just read the message at the top of the page and assumed. And yeah, this happened to me a few times recently, too. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Upload error ==

I tried to upload a new version of Bonsly's artwork and it said that the file extension was corrupt. What does this mean and why won't it work? I called the file 438Bonsly.png and the original version is called Art-Bonsly.jpg, is this the cause of the problem? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, I just realised a better image had already been uploaded. Added it to Bonsly's article. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Based from what I understood from what you said, I guess it's because pngs can only replace pngs; same for other formats. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 16:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Page history ==

I am having trouble viewing changes to pages. I can see everything in the page histories just fine, but it won't show the changes for some pages. A specific edit I can think of is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blaziken_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1030242&oldid=1023812 this one]. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:I've been having this issue too, although it went away when I went back to the history and clicked "compare" again. I have also been experiencing a glitch where instead of showing a preview the preview button takes you to a preview of a blank page with a blank editing window. Not sure if these are related.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 04:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::Found another one [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Samurai&diff=1030342&oldid=998081 here]. This one didn't go away afterward.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 04:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Database glitches, I'd assume... might be related to the third server coming up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, this seems to happen on most articles for me too. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 05:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Since when... ==

does Chuggaconroy count as recent news? I'm a big fan of his and all, it just seems irrelevant. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 05:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbagarden teamup with the Crystal LP. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 05:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::I was thinking that myself too. An LP being affiliated with Bulbagarden really isn't all that big of a deal. It's certainly not all that newsworthy to spam up the Bulbanews RSS feed with (which rather annoyingly makes a new post in the feed anytime a news story's title is changed...) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::The news feed isn't just for Pokémon News: it's for Bulbagarden news, too. And Bulbagarden is simply announcing their part of the team up.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 13:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::If we didn't, then we'd get a bunch of questions about it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== New theme? ==
May I ask, what's going on? Is the green background and everything new, or is my browser mucking up? Some pages have it, some don't, then the ones that do go back to the Wikipedia-style theme, then back to the green forum-like theme? I like the green, but I've never seen it. Thanks? [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 07:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:That was the theme used for the 5th anniversary of Bulbagarden a few weeks ago, it didn't work in Explorer apparently, so they removed it to fix it. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 09:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::And it is working now, I suppose.--[[Trainer stars|☆]][[User:Tobytse99|Toby]][[User talk:Tobytse99|Tse]][[Trainer stars|☆]] 12:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Still doesn't work properly in Explorer, I'm sticking to Monobook... [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Guys It Works for IE 8. Tested It. the Only Bug Being: Some Pages Have Green Theme, Some Have Wikipedia/White Theme.[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 13:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys, Update, Its Working Perfectly Fine On Internet Explorer 8. I Dont Know About Other Versions.[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 14:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Google Chrome has it up and running good enough with the same working on some pages and not on others. In particular, talk pages seem to have the old version. I decided to change the skin I'm using back to the old one. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Firefox is A ok just one bug sometimes its wikipedia style then in others its the cool new theme on skin feature on preferences works on firefox aswell key out
--[[User:24keyserpokemon|'''''Teh Masta Key''''']][[User talk:24keyserpokemon|talketh]] 16:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::It's still a little buggy on my end. - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 16:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::The switching back and forth between skins is probably not the skin itself, but server problems. Happens all the time with my custom skin- most of the time it displays correctly, but when stuff's getting tweaked it reverts to monobook temporarily. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, but is the theme really worth it? I know it looks great, but if it isn't consistent, I don't think it's worth it. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 17:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Guys, If You Come Across Wikipedia Skin Then Refresh A Few Times... It may Work[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 17:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now, as much as I ♥ this theme, it's kinda getting in the way of pages - the "Erika's Garden" logo is blocking both some text on pages and the editing box (including the signature). At least that's what it's like for my computer..... --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]]'''[[User Talk:Trickyb|b]] 18:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yeah, it's still a little dodgy in Firefox 3.6, but hey, I like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 20:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Also, should we reupload a newer version if [[media:Main Page.png|this image]] with the new skin? [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 20:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== It would appear... ==

That after I previewed (yes, only ''previewed'', didn't try) the new skin, Bulbapedia has been having trouble loading pages. It might be because so many people are using it, but I didn't have problems until after I previewed it. Not to mention we have a new server that shouldn't be slowing because of use... I'll try logging off then back in to see if that helps. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:the occasional errors are because we are getting some serious server use. the release (and leak) of HGSS have caused some serious server spike. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Even with the third server? I expected it to hold out...
::But it's not even errors for me. It's just it'll take 30 seconds for some pages to load. It took nearly a minute to log me off earlier. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::High traffic. The servers can only send out so much data at once. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:42, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Slowpedia? ==
This is about the error nonsense isn't it? --'''@PrL F0oLz!!!''' (This Message Is True Though)[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 02:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:May be, but it's really a cute theme. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 02:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well it's better than turning the whole wiki into a Digimon Fan-site. <.< *cough*Dogasu's Backpack*cough* >.> =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:::AHAHAHAHA! It's funny because it is slow! HA! --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 03:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== Am I The Only One? ==

Hey, earlier this evening did anyone notice the headline "May CoroCoro announces Gen V Starters and Mawille Evolution"... I don't think I was the only one seeing as a bunch of people use "Slowpedia" But seriously did anyone else see this? I even posted on Giancarlopariomango11's wall on YouTube about this but some guy said to stop spamming. And now that its been removed from the site completely there is no proof that I wasn't lying... Did anyone else see it? {{unsigned|ScizorZ}}
:This is all a dream. You're just hallucinating. Go back to bed. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::No you weren't seeing things. It was up, but deleted twice, as it still showed up in my feed reader. It's a damn pity that feed only gives the headline, otherwise I could've seen the rest of the story :/ '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 10:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys it was an April Fools fake news story but it ended up being deleted because it was agreed that we wouldn't do that. --'''@PrL F0oLz!!!''' (This Message Is True Though)[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 12:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::::This is probably why Bulbanews shouldn't publish new stories to the RSS feed of the forums for a couple of hours after creation, or at least until an admin clears it. Every time the story's title is changed, Google Reader counts it as a new item... Or if a story is deleted quickly after creation it didn't get published. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 10

2010-04-01T08:44:53Z

Kanjo: /* Intro */ temporarily changed bulbapedia to slowpedia. I assumed not changing it was just a lapse, forgive me if i was wrong

This is the [[Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk page]] for the Slowpedia's front page. If you have a general comment about the wiki, please consider placing it in [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 our forum].'''

== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]

== Route exploration requirements ==

As a continuation from the archived discussion, I'm going to incorporate the "Requirements to fully explore this area" as part of the route description on each article, instead of it having its own section. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:brilliant idea. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, please do not. Most administers agreed against the case. If you want to write up a "Geography" or "Route description" section including HM/TM requirement, please do. But do not create a section for it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Image of nothing? ==

I've noticed there's an image called File:None.png. It's just a blank white image, and in the summary it says, "Image of nothing". What's the point in it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:If it were perfectly square, it could be used better as a spacer... buuuuut no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::They're for the itemlist template for items that don't have any images (the Gen II berries for example).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 00:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== valentine's day ==

since it's valentine's day tomorrow, could we make the main page luvdisc themed? or something? i think it would be cool. [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 23:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia anniversary celebrations are your Valentine's present. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

This image of Erika with this Bulbasaur looks really odd. How about a better picture. I'd offer to make a new one. {{unsigned|LucaLucario}}
: WOW! This is different! But I do agree about the pic. Everything else, excellent! - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 12:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree. It fits but it looks a bit off. Did admins vote on this or something? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 14:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== The new theme ==

The new Bulbapedia theme is great, but there is a slight problem. The logo "Erika's Garden", and the links for Article, Discussion, Edit etc come up on top of the site content, making it virtually impossible to read the first few paragraphs of each article. Is this a minor glitch due to the theme being very new, or is it a problem with my computer/browser? I hope somebody can fix it soon, thanks! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hm. Apparently the problem occures only in IE, it's perfectly fine on Firefox. Jio will have to take a look at it. In the meanwhile, we strongly suggest you try viewing Bulbapedia in Firefox and not IE, it looks much better there. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 13:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I've got AOL 9.0, I could try that. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, it's the same in AOL. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Then you should try Firefox. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I would but my computer's hard drive is practically full, I really cannot download anything more. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, okay. But it is better to use firefox because all the features of BulbaTrio works absolutely fine on it. Anyway, try to uninstall useless programs if you want free space. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Believe me, I've tried everything to free up my hard drive! Anyway, this is going a little off-topic now. I would really appreciate it if you could make the new theme work on IE, but there's no rush, I'll be patient! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I hate this look and i don't have firefox. Personally, i think we should either revert back to the old look until it is fixed or have a thing like we do in the forums, choosing what display we have. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Which version of Internet Explorer are you using? That may play a role in your problem; I'm using Internet Explorer 8, and everything on that skin's showing up just fine for me. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::IE8 s well, and everything is OK except the main page and every talk page. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, can you make it so that the buttons(article, discussion, ect.)aren't in the way? [[User:Crazylegs24]]
:::::::::I'm using Internet Explorer 7, maybe that could be the root of the problem. I'm sure there's enough space on my hard drive to upgrade, it's not the same as downloading a whole new programme. Perhaps I'll have a go at that. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 17:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

=== Hmm... ===
*I'm wondering if there is a way to make Bulbapedia look like the old design. I liked it more. :( [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Raichu]] 17:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:My preferences → Skin → Monobook. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 17:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::Hey, Bulbapedia is all messed up. Like I can't even welcome cause ther is text in they way. I like the design, but know i can't do anything. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then go [[Special:Preferences|HERE]], choose the "skin" tab, and change it to Monobook until this can be figured out. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::There's just one problem... the "Erika's Garden" logo is covering up the "Skins" option so it can't be changed. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Exactly, i can't change it! [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Maybe it's your computers. It's not covering it up for me. :V [[User:Tyro|Tyro]] 18:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Read the "The new theme" discussion above. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I know about Tyro's case. Hey Mudkiplu, which browser are you using? Well, I tried Opera, Chrome and Firefox, it is 1000% working fine on all of them. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I use Internet explorer. I could try opera i guess. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Taro is also using IE and he is facing the exact same problem. So, I guess the problem is in the internet explorer not bulbapedia. Try firfox or opera and then check whether it is working fine or not. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::It is working fine in Opera, but could you change it to work on Internet Explorer too? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::For those of you who are having problems changing the skin because the logo is in the way, I've just found a solution. Resize the internet window so that the "Skins" link goes below the logo. Then you can go to the Skins page and select Monobook. Hmm... Taro... I rather like that! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Bingo, {{tt|I knew it|Man, I really hate IE due to these kind of problems}}. Anyway, sorry bud I am not an admin and I think {{tt|only admins can fix this problem completely|at least I don't know how to fix it :P}}. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 18:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Don't worry I can make do with Monobook for the time being. Um... we're starting to run out of space down here in the bottom right corner! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

For me, the skin tab is totally missing. Is there something wrong? --[[User:LatiasGemstone|'''LG''']][[User talk:LatiasGemstone|T]] 01:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:I am not even seeing a new skin or anything. If I didn't see this discussion, I wouldn't know there was a new skin. I am using Chrome if that helps find my problem. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 02:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

::It's being worked on right now; if I'm not mistaken, the skins are currently disabled while it's fixed, so bear with it for a little while if you're still stuck with a buggy skin. (if you absolutely must edit now and you're seeing errors in the skin, download a browser that supports current CSS 2.0 standards, such as Firefox, Opera, or Safari. Internet Explorer is particularly notable for not maintaining web standards.) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The new theme of bulbapedia is looking too bad (if you ask me). Really, it doesn't suit to bulbapedia at all. Please, can you change it back? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah the green and red/pink really doesn't even flow well, just looks so random, it was better the old way. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 09:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's for '''one day''', to celebrate the 14th birthday of Pokémon. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::No offence, but it could have been better if it was a bit yellowish which highlights the color of main Pokémon (just saying :D). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 12:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's the anniversary of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]]. Hence, Red and Green. One day. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, then its cool (as it totally highlights red and green color). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 12:55, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Today is 1st March and celebration is over (I guess so). So, I think the theme should be changed now (it really looks odd on the main page but I think we can change it now as the anniversary is over). Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 17:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== Featured Article ==

What happened to the featured article section? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:It isn't here because the Did You Know is here. If the DYK is here, the FA isn't here and vice-versa. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::They switch every half month. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== uhhhh... what? ==

I am using firefox, and Bulbapedia just looks like it used to. What did I miss? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:Its fifth anniversary has passed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::I wish that skin could last longer...--[[Trainer stars|☆]][[User:Tobytse99|Toby]][[User talk:Tobytse99|Tse]][[Trainer stars|☆]] 04:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Wait, the skin was only for the fifth anniversary? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Look at the above discussion, please. The skin was designed for the fifth anniversary, but it broke and we turned it off. That's why no one can see it now. Mmkay? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:It broke? I thought it just didn't work in Explorer. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well that is the definition of "broken", but yes, that's not all that was going buggy with it. When things get completely ironed out, it'll make it back in as an optional skin, but I don't know when that will happen. The focus is on making the default skin look as good as possible right now. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 18:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:::And it looks great to me! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Countdown to HGSS Clock ==

The clock is mis-programmed. It's counting down to March 13th, at 11:00 PM.--[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 09:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? It's says 14th march for me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be counting down to March 14th, 4am UTC. Now the thing is that while daylight sasvings time starts on the 14th in the US this year, I don't think it starts until 2am on the day itself. So really it needs to count down to 5am UTC, and mention that it's counting to Eastern Standard Time rather than Eastern Daylight Time. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The clock is counting down to midnight EDT. Not like most stores will be open and selling the games at that point, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Server Problem? ==

Hey guys, are you facing the same problem that I am facing? All the bulba sites (forum + archieves + news + pedia) aren't working properly. Is there any problem in main server? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 13:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Same, whats happening (2nd try at it(!) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::I keep on coming up to a page saying there's too many people connected at one time. - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 21:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Its finally working (not perfectly but better than yesterday). --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yesterday and earlier today I couldn't access Bulbapedia, it said "Bulbapedia has a problem" and to try reloading in a few minutes (which didn't work). Bulbagarden Forums still worked fine though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

== An idea for the anime location articles ==

I know, I know, I'm at it again! I was just wondering, would it be a good idea to have a list of the wild Pokémon which can be found in anime-only locations? There are many species of Pokémon that live in Alto Mare, for example. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:50, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think no. That information wouldn't be used by anybody and it would be silly and just take up time. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... I had a feeling someone would say that. Perhaps I'll just mention wild Pokémon in the anime section (like in the Alto Mare article). [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Pop them in the "In the anime" section of the article. Not as a template, just write a description.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== I'm gonna take a wild guess... ==

...and say it's the anniversary of Red/Green. Correct? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 06:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Yes yesterday was the 14 year anniversary of Pokemon since Red and Green were first released in Japan. I don't see why you need to add that to the talk page when you could have easily Googled it. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 07:01, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::There's another website besides Google that could have given the answer. It's called Bulbapedia. Ever heard of it? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry, just wondering... I just wanted to make sure, and even if I knew it was the annivesary, I wanted to know if the new skin for that day was official. Someone could have just said "Hahaha lolz hey doodz look what eye can doo! look, I maded da front page all prettyful!" You never know, what with all the idiots in the world. 'O course, it's protected (duh) but I didn't know that at the time of asking. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 04:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Main Page and its constituent templates are protected against doofuses. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== The "wanted articles" section needs updating! ==

I just started the wanted article "The Wobbuffet Village", only to find that the article already exists, under the title of "Wobbuffet Village". [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think ''The Wobbuffet Village'' is the title of a book, while ''Wobbuffet Village'' is the name of the place. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::The wanted pages list is cached. I think it updates every 24 hours. And yeah, [[Wobbuffet Village]] is the place, whereas {{red link|The Wobbuffet Village}} is the [[Pokémon Jr.]] book. That should probably be disambig'd somehow... --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see! It's a bit misleading though, maybe there should be a note in brackets beside each link explaining exactly what the article should be about. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== European Release ==

is there any chance that after this countdown ends, another for the European release begins? just so we all know how long we will have to wait... [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 12:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Nah, do the Australian one, seeing as it's a day before the European one.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 04:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::It's a week and a half later, guys. We'll count down when you guys get it first. English coverage of HGSS happens as soon as we get the game. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

==WiKirby - Possible for the NIWA?==

New wiki formed that I think will work for the Nintendo International Wiki Alliance? I am LuKirbio there. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think it has already been considered as I saw it on the NIWA forums thread for wikis to join the alliance, along with Metroid Wiki. Also, there is [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=101 this]. I'm Turtwig A there. [[User:Turtwig A|ナエトル]] [[Zoroark (Pokémon)|A]] [[Torterra (Pokémon)|or]] [[Turtwig|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] and my [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contributions]] 00:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Wikirby was made specifically for the reason that we made NIWA. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::if you have a question about NIWA, just go to the NIWA forums. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Logging out ==

I keep getting automatically logged out. Just pointing it out... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like an issue with your browser possibly, unless a lot of other people are having the same issue. I haven't had any trouble yet.
:If you're clearing out cookies at all, or cleaning your cache, it'll generally log you out, so double-check to make sure you're not accidentally deleting cookies or anything. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Unable to Save ==

Hey guys, I am facing this saving problem again. When ever I try to save an article (after editing it, offcourse) it always (most of the times) give me an error " ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in.'' " This problem occurred a long time ago but then it was over. I am facing this problem since 5 days. Can you help me out in solving it? Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 08:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:I have no idea, but remember, the main page talk page is not for general questions, it is on the subject of the front page itself. As for solving your problem, I would ask {{tt|MAGNEDETH|please don't get mad at me if you aren't the right guy, Mag!}}. He seems to be good at that stuff. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 04:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I think it's appropriate to ask questions like these on the Main talk page, where else would he go? If you look at the other questions, some of them are technical issue questions as well. As for your problem Adyniz, if this happens a lot, it might just be a problem on your end. I get this error too sometimes. It could be due to the server issues others have mentioned on this page. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 05:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I have this problem too, and deal with it be hitting the previous button to try again, until it is able to work. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Genking, I asked this question here because this page is not only for the looks purpose (I think), you can see some previous topics related to technical problems and some general issues not regarding to front page which includes Logging out, Server Problem, Featured Article, Route exploration requirements, Upload error, Since when... and Page history etc (not counting the problems of previous archieves). So, I don't feel anything wrong in asking question here. So, is it server issue or there is something wrong with my net/browser/pc? Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 11:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::This talk page is used for questions that involve the Pedia in a whole, which is why there are talk pages for specific questions about Pokémon, items, characters, and locations. And to answer your question Adyniz, they're working some stuff out with the servers, so it might be related, might not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, Thanks. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, I just read the message at the top of the page and assumed. And yeah, this happened to me a few times recently, too. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Upload error ==

I tried to upload a new version of Bonsly's artwork and it said that the file extension was corrupt. What does this mean and why won't it work? I called the file 438Bonsly.png and the original version is called Art-Bonsly.jpg, is this the cause of the problem? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, I just realised a better image had already been uploaded. Added it to Bonsly's article. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Based from what I understood from what you said, I guess it's because pngs can only replace pngs; same for other formats. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 16:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Page history ==

I am having trouble viewing changes to pages. I can see everything in the page histories just fine, but it won't show the changes for some pages. A specific edit I can think of is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blaziken_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1030242&oldid=1023812 this one]. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:I've been having this issue too, although it went away when I went back to the history and clicked "compare" again. I have also been experiencing a glitch where instead of showing a preview the preview button takes you to a preview of a blank page with a blank editing window. Not sure if these are related.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 04:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::Found another one [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Samurai&diff=1030342&oldid=998081 here]. This one didn't go away afterward.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 04:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Database glitches, I'd assume... might be related to the third server coming up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, this seems to happen on most articles for me too. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 05:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Since when... ==

does Chuggaconroy count as recent news? I'm a big fan of his and all, it just seems irrelevant. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 05:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbagarden teamup with the Crystal LP. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 05:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::I was thinking that myself too. An LP being affiliated with Bulbagarden really isn't all that big of a deal. It's certainly not all that newsworthy to spam up the Bulbanews RSS feed with (which rather annoyingly makes a new post in the feed anytime a news story's title is changed...) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::The news feed isn't just for Pokémon News: it's for Bulbagarden news, too. And Bulbagarden is simply announcing their part of the team up.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 13:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::If we didn't, then we'd get a bunch of questions about it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== New theme? ==
May I ask, what's going on? Is the green background and everything new, or is my browser mucking up? Some pages have it, some don't, then the ones that do go back to the Wikipedia-style theme, then back to the green forum-like theme? I like the green, but I've never seen it. Thanks? [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 07:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:That was the theme used for the 5th anniversary of Bulbagarden a few weeks ago, it didn't work in Explorer apparently, so they removed it to fix it. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 09:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::And it is working now, I suppose.--[[Trainer stars|☆]][[User:Tobytse99|Toby]][[User talk:Tobytse99|Tse]][[Trainer stars|☆]] 12:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Still doesn't work properly in Explorer, I'm sticking to Monobook... [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Guys It Works for IE 8. Tested It. the Only Bug Being: Some Pages Have Green Theme, Some Have Wikipedia/White Theme.[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 13:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys, Update, Its Working Perfectly Fine On Internet Explorer 8. I Dont Know About Other Versions.[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 14:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Google Chrome has it up and running good enough with the same working on some pages and not on others. In particular, talk pages seem to have the old version. I decided to change the skin I'm using back to the old one. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Firefox is A ok just one bug sometimes its wikipedia style then in others its the cool new theme on skin feature on preferences works on firefox aswell key out
--[[User:24keyserpokemon|'''''Teh Masta Key''''']][[User talk:24keyserpokemon|talketh]] 16:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::It's still a little buggy on my end. - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 16:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::The switching back and forth between skins is probably not the skin itself, but server problems. Happens all the time with my custom skin- most of the time it displays correctly, but when stuff's getting tweaked it reverts to monobook temporarily. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, but is the theme really worth it? I know it looks great, but if it isn't consistent, I don't think it's worth it. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 17:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Guys, If You Come Across Wikipedia Skin Then Refresh A Few Times... It may Work[[User:Ash's Infernape|------ Ash's Infernape. I was a Chimchar, Then a Monferno, I hate Paul, I Love Ash, Myself Infernape.]] 17:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now, as much as I ♥ this theme, it's kinda getting in the way of pages - the "Erika's Garden" logo is blocking both some text on pages and the editing box (including the signature). At least that's what it's like for my computer..... --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]]'''[[User Talk:Trickyb|b]] 18:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yeah, it's still a little dodgy in Firefox 3.6, but hey, I like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 20:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Also, should we reupload a newer version if [[media:Main Page.png|this image]] with the new skin? [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 20:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== It would appear... ==

That after I previewed (yes, only ''previewed'', didn't try) the new skin, Bulbapedia has been having trouble loading pages. It might be because so many people are using it, but I didn't have problems until after I previewed it. Not to mention we have a new server that shouldn't be slowing because of use... I'll try logging off then back in to see if that helps. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:the occasional errors are because we are getting some serious server use. the release (and leak) of HGSS have caused some serious server spike. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Even with the third server? I expected it to hold out...
::But it's not even errors for me. It's just it'll take 30 seconds for some pages to load. It took nearly a minute to log me off earlier. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::High traffic. The servers can only send out so much data at once. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:42, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Slowpedia? ==
This is about the error nonsense isn't it? --'''@PrL F0oLz!!!''' (This Message Is True Though)[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 02:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:May be, but it's really a cute theme. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 02:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well it's better than turning the whole wiki into a Digimon Fan-site. <.< *cough*Dogasu's Backpack*cough* >.> =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:::AHAHAHAHA! It's funny because it is slow! HA! --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 03:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== Am I The Only One? ==

Hey, earlier this evening did anyone notice the headline "May CoroCoro announces Gen V Starters and Mawille Evolution"... I don't think I was the only one seeing as a bunch of people use "Slowpedia" But seriously did anyone else see this? I even posted on Giancarlopariomango11's wall on YouTube about this but some guy said to stop spamming. And now that its been removed from the site completely there is no proof that I wasn't lying... Did anyone else see it? {{unsigned|ScizorZ}}
:This is all a dream. You're just hallucinating. Go back to bed. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Center

2010-02-21T01:32:38Z

Kanjo: /* Generation IV */ felt like this needed a rewrite, I purposely left in some things because they were there before. I'm pretty sure about the use of "mezzanine" but not 100%

: ''For information about the retail store chain, see [[Pokémon Center (store)]].''
----
[[File:Pokémon Center.png|200px|thumb|right| A Pokémon Center in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
A '''Pokémon Center''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンセンター''' ''Pokémon Center'') is a type of building that provide regulatory services for [[Pokémon Trainer]]s. Pokémon Centers are found in most towns and cities of the [[Pokémon world]], every major city or town holds a Pokémon Center. Pokémon Centers can be found outside towns, sometimes next to large forests or [[caves]]. Pokémon Centers are built where many Trainers gather and the area becomes popular. This is to accommodate those Trainers in need and serve as a resting spot. The most common service the Pokémon Center offers is healing [[Pokémon]] free of charge. They also serve as gathering places for Trainers.

{{m|Fly}} and {{m|Teleport}} always bring the player to the door of the Pokémon Center of a given town if one is present.

==In the games==
In the [[Pokémon games]], Pokémon Centers are important buildings found in most towns and cities, sometimes even on [[route]]s. Pokémon Centers are essential to Trainers as they provide many facilities and host most game mechanics. Non-player character Trainers and their own Pokémon are often found hanging around in Centers, offering general advice and information on the events in the town or area it is situated in. Though the setup of the Centers has varied slightly throughout each generation, all Pokémon Centers have these functions:

* A {{ga|nurse}} heals all party Pokémon in a matter of seconds. This service heals all status conditions, recharges [[HP]] and {{PP}} of all [[party]] Pokémon, free of charge. The nurse is located at the main counter just as the player enters the Pokémon Center.
* Pokémon Centers also host the Cable Club and the Union Room, which facilitates multiplayer gameplay. Originally, linked players could only battle and trade one another, but in later generations, players can [[mixing records|mix records]] and [[Wi-Fi Plaza|play games]] together.

* Trainers also have access to a [[PC]] so that they can change out their [[party]]. Players are able to deposit and withdraw Pokémon, along with ability to store and withdraw items and display their [[Hall of Fame]] details.
* In Generations I-III, saving the game inside a Pokémon Center is required to facilitate linking with console games such as Pokémon Stadium and Colosseum.

===Generation I===
[[Image:Pkmncenter.png‎|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}]]
In Generation I, a Pokémon Center consisted of two counters on a single floor. The counter on the left has a {{ga|nurse}} that will heal the player's Pokémon. The counter on the right contains the Cable Club, which allows players to link with each other. Talking to the women at the desk will allow the player to enter the Cable Club. Furthest to the right is the [[PC]] to deposit and withdraw Pokémon or items. Generation I also includes two of the few examples of a Pokémon Center that isn't in a town, which are the Pokémon Center on [[Route 4]] outside [[Mt. Moon]], and the Pokémon Center in [[Route 10]] outside the entrance to the [[Rock Tunnel]]. Future generations employ rest houses that only offer healing services in areas similar to that.

====Cable Club====
The original link-up place was at the far end of the Pokémon Center in [[Generation I]] [[Kanto]]. Players can link together to simply battle each other in a one-on-one fight and trade Pokémon with each other. Two players linked by a first generation {{wp|Game Link Cable}} can enter the cable club. Pokémon Yellow featured an extended version of the Cable Club with the option to choose special battle rules or cups.

===Generation II===
[[Image:Gscpokecenter.PNG‎|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}]]
[[Image:PCCenter.gif|frame|left|Inside of the Pokémon Communications Center in {{game|Crystal}}, with dialog translated.]]
In Generation II, to accommodate greater linkup functionality, the Pokémon Centers of both [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] expanded to two floors. On the first floor remained the counter where a nurse would heal Pokémon, as well as a PC, while on the second floor resided the Cable Club.

====Cable Club====
Located upstairs in Pokémon Centers throughout [[Johto]] and [[Kanto]], this Cable Club consisted of three rooms. The Cable Club Trade Center facilitated trading, the Cable Club Colosseum allowed battling, and the Cable Club [[Time Capsule]] provided a way to trade Pokémon with the [[Generation I]] games. In order to rectify the lack of a female trainer sprite in the {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, before a {{ga|Kris|female player}} of {{game|Crystal}} can enter the Cable Club when linked to any game besides another Crystal version, she must have her clothes changed to those of a {{ga|Gold|male player}}. Two players can enter the Cable Club with a first generation {{wp|Game Link Cable}}.

====Johto Mobile Center====
Only in the Japanese Crystal version, the Pokémon Communication Center in [[Goldenrod City]]. Added was the ability to battle over mobile phones upstairs, and two new items downstairs: Pokémon News, a news machine which aggregated news about Trainer accomplishments and Trade Corner, which let a Trainer place a Pokémon up for trade. This process was in essence a prototype for the [[GTS]].

===Generation III===
[[File:RSEpokecenter.png|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}]]
[[File:FRLGCenterInside.png|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
Pokémon Centers during Generation III remained in a two-floor setup, similar to the way they were in Generation II. The only difference is that the stairs to the second floor are larger and more noticeable, taking the shape of an escalator.

In [[Orre]], there is only one official Pokémon Center. It is located in [[Phenac City]].

{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|"Heal Your POKéMON!"}}
{{sign|FRLG|POKéMON CENTER}}
{{sign|FRLG|footer}}

{{sign|RS|header}}
{{sign|RS|title|"Rejuvenate your tired partners!"}}
{{sign|RS|POKéMON CENTER}}
{{sign|RS|footer}}

{{sign|E|header}}
{{sign|E|title|"Rejuvenate your tired partners!"}}
{{sign|E|POKéMON CENTER}}
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[[Image:Phenac Pokémon Center.png|thumb|left|Inside the Pokémon Center in [[Phenac City]]]]
====Cable Club====
Similar to the Cable Club in Johto, the [[Hoenn]] Cable Club's Pokémon Center has a Cable Club Colosseum and a Cable Club Trade Center. Now four players can link with a third generation {{wp|Game Link Cable}} to battle in a [[double battle]]. A new feature was added to the Cable Club called the Cable Club Record Center, which allows two to four trainers to swap data. Similar to the Pokémon News in Crystal version, swapped trainer data shows up on [[television]] shows on televisions found all across Hoenn. Also, trainers' [[secret base]]s are copied over in the record mixing.

====Wireless Club====
The [[Generation III]] Kanto and {{v2|Emerald}} version Hoenn have a Wireless Club. The Wireless Club meets in the [[Union Room]], where up to 40 trainers may (in groups of five) talk and battle, as well as trade via a trading board similar to the Crystal version Trade Corner. The Cable Club's room has the standard Trade Center and Colosseum. Pokémon Emerald version's Cable Club also has the Record Center.

===Generation IV===
[[File:Dppokecenter.PNG‎|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}]]
[[File:HGSSPokéCenter.png|thumb|right|A Pokémon Center in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
In Generation IV, Pokémon Centers introduce a basement floor, utilizing Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. Opposite the second floor escalator, another escalator downstairs to the basement appears. While the second floor retains the same functionality that it did during Generation III with four player on the DS's wireless connection, the basement floor is where players can link up with others around the world using {{wp|Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection}}. The first floor, as always, is where a player can heal their Pokémon and a [[PC]]. As of {{game|Platinum}} players can also challenge a Trainer or Trainers inside some Pokémon Centers.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} the Pokémon Center was redesigned again. The second floor became a mezzanine, located above and directly behind the main desk, and two staircases were added on each side of the desk for access to it. The PC was moved to the corner of the desk. All functions remain the same. The player's [[Walking_Pokémon#Pokémon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver|partner Pokémon]] will return to its [[Poké Ball]] while being healed. Also, if the first Pokémon in the player's party had been fainted prior to healing, it will return to being the partner as soon as it has been revived.

{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|Heal Your Pokémon!}}
{{sign|DPcity|title|Pokémon Center}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
====Wireless Club====
In [[Generation IV]], Sinnoh and Johto both have a wireless club just like [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]], but with a lack of a Record Center. These regions though has a Wi-Fi club downstairs, under the Pokémon Center, for people to connect to each other if they are on each other's [[Pal Pad]]. Here they can battle and trade, and they can talk to each other, not with a chat box, but with microphones.

====Wi-Fi Plaza====
The [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] is an enhancement to the Wi-Fi Club in Pokémon Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver. It is found downstairs in the Pokémon Center. Players from around the world can enter a "plaza" to make Poffins and play mini-games together via Nintendo Wi-Fi. The player can walk around the plaza and communicate with other players in the plaza. A leap in multiplayer gameplay is introduced, allowing up to twenty players to enter the Wi-Fi Plaza at a time. The player may only spend a certain amount of time at the Wi-Fi Plaza each day.

==In the anime==
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, a [[Nurse Joy]] heads each Pokémon Center. The healing process takes place in real time, unlike in the games. All Pokémon Centers are connected and, in times of crisis, all Pokémon can be [[Pokémon storage system|transferred]] from one to another, as seen in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''.
[[Image:CeruleanPokecenter.jpg|thumb|right|The [[Cerulean City]] Pokémon Center as it appears in the anime]][[File:Pokémon Center heal.png|thumb|left|Ash's Pokémon going to be treated|220px]]

Pokémon Centers are designed for Trainers so they can rest between {{pkmn|training|activities}}. Trainers use Centers as gathering places, so they can share information about Pokémon. They also have access to video phones, PC with trading functions and most offer free food and lodging. Inside a typical Pokémon Center, one can find a front desk, a lobby (sometimes with vending machines), a [[Poké Ball]] room, an Emergency Room with plenty of beds for injured Pokémon, a recovery room, a waiting room, rooms for lodging, and a cafeteria. It is unknown how these activities performed by a Pokémon Center are financed. On the outside, they come in all shapes and sizes, but usually have a rather large ''P'' somewhere.
{{-}}

==Differences among generations==
<gallery widths="66px" heights="80px" perrow="8">
File:Pokémon Center RBGY.png|Generation I (Kanto)
File:Pokémon Center GSC.png|Generation II (Johto)
File:Kanto Pokémon Center GSC.png|Generation II (Kanto)
File:Pokémon Center RSE.png|Generation III (Hoenn)
File:FRLGCenter.png|Generation III (Kanto)
File:Pokémon Center DPPt.png|Generation IV (Sinnoh)
File:Pokémon Center.png|Generation IV (Kanto/Johto)
File:Pokémon Center 2 HGSS.png|Generation IV (Johto)
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* For ''[[DP004|Dawn of a New Era!]]'', [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about Pokémon Centers. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about it: ジョーイさん　あいたくなったら　ポケモンセンター ''Jōi-san aitaku nattara, Pokémon sentā.'' "When I want to meet Nurse Joy, Pokémon Center."
* If a Trainer gets at least four stars on their {{ga|Trainer card}} in [[Generation IV]], the nurse at the Pokémon Center will make special mention of this, and then refer to the player by name upon subsequent visits.
* A man in the [[Resort Area]] describes how Pokémon Centers come to be in an area. When [[Pokémon]] appear, Trainers will also come. When Trainers appear, Pokémon Centers will also come about.
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Wattson

2010-02-04T06:45:58Z

Kanjo: /* Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire */

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Wattson |
jname=テッセン |
tmname=Tessen |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="The cheerfully electrifying man!" |
image=[[Image:ArtWattson.png|150px]] |
caption=Art from R/S/E |
gender=Male |
colors=yes|
eyes=Black|
hair=White|
hometown=[[Mauville City]] |
region=[[Hoenn]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|III}} |
games={{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} |
leader=yes |
gym=Mauville Gym |
type={{t|Electric}} |
badge=Dynamo Badge |
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anime=yes |
epnum=AG040 |
epname=Watt's with Wattson |
enva=[[Dan Green]] |
java=Ken'ichi Ogata |
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'''Wattson''' (Japanese: '''テッセン''' ''Tessen'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Mauville City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Mauville Gym]]. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat him receive the {{Badge|Dynamo}}. He is a jolly old man who specializes in {{type2|Electric}} [[Pokémon]].

==In the games==
Wattson's title is "The cheerfully electrifying man!" The citizens of Mauville think of him as "eccentric," and one of his students affectionately referred to him as a "tough coot." He prefers to employ Electric-type Pokémon, and is a generally jovial man.

Wattson founded Mauville; he once had a desire to convert Mauville in an expansion project, but abandoned that plan. Instead, he installed switch-controlled dynamos in his Gym that create doors of electricity.

In addition to the Dynamo Badge, Wattson gives out {{TM|34|Shock Wave}}, in {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}.

If the player returns to Mauville after getting {{m|Surf}}, Wattson will ask him or her to go to [[New Mauville]] on an errand for him. If the player completes the task, Wattson will give {{TM|24|Thunderbolt}}, as a sign of his appreciation.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Wattson's Pokémon in the video games in which he has appeared.

====Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|2300]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Wattson
|game={{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}
|location=[[Mauville Gym]]
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby and Sapphire|ndex=081|pokemon=Magnemite
|ability=Magnet Pull|level=22|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=ThunderShock|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby and Sapphire|ndex=100|pokemon=Voltorb
|ability=Static|level=20|type1=Electric
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Spark|move2type=Electric
|move3=Rollout|move3type=Rock
|move4=Selfdestruct|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby and Sapphire|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull|level=23|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=Shock Wave|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal}}}}

====Pokémon Emerald====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}
|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|2400]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Wattson]]
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=Mauville Gym
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=100
|pokemon=Voltorb
|ability=Soundproof
|level=20
|type1=Electric
|move1=Rollout
|move1type=Rock
|move2=Spark
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Selfdestruct
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shock Wave
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull
|level=22
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=Supersonic
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=SonicBoom
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shock Wave
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=309
|pokemon=Electrike
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=20
|type1=Electric
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Howl
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shock Wave
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=310
|pokemon=Manectric
|ability=Static
|held=Sitrus Berry
|gender=male
|level=24
|type1=Electric
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Howl
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shock Wave
|move4type=Electric}}
}}

=====First [[Rematch]]=====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}
|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|8000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Wattson]]
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=Mauville Gym
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=101
|pokemon=Electrode
|ability=Soundproof
|level=36
|type1=Electric
|move1=Rollout
|move1type=Rock
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Explosion
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=179
|pokemon=Mareep
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Light Screen
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull
|held=Sitrus Berry
|level=37
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=Supersonic
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Protect
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3type=Water
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=310
|pokemon=Manectric
|ability=Static
|held=Sitrus Berry
|gender=male
|level=40
|type1=Electric
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Protect
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
}}

=====Second Rematch=====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}
|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|9000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Wattson]]
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=Mauville Gym
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=025
|pokemon=Pikachu
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=39
|type1=Electric
|move1=Shock Wave
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=101
|pokemon=Electrode
|ability=Soundproof
|level=41
|type1=Electric
|move1=Rollout
|move1type=Rock
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Explosion
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=180
|pokemon=Flaaffy
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=41
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Light Screen
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull
|held=Sitrus Berry
|level=40
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=Supersonic
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Protect
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3type=Water
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=310
|pokemon=Manectric
|ability=Static
|held=Sitrus Berry
|gender=male
|level=45
|type1=Electric
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Protect
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
}}

=====Third Rematch=====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}
|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|10000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Wattson]]
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=Mauville Gym
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=026
|pokemon=Raichu
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=44
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=101
|pokemon=Electrode
|ability=Soundproof
|level=46
|type1=Electric
|move1=Rollout
|move1type=Rock
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Explosion
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=181
|pokemon=Ampharos
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=46
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Light Screen
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull
|held=Sitrus Berry
|level=48
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=Supersonic
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Protect
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3type=Water
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=310
|pokemon=Manectric
|ability=Static
|held=Sitrus Berry
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Electric
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Protect
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
}}

=====Fourth Rematch=====
{{Party|color={{electric color}}
|headcolor={{electric color light}}
|bordercolor={{electric color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWattson.png
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|11000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Wattson]]
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=Mauville Gym
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=125
|pokemon=Electabuzz
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Electric
|move1=Swift
|move1type=Normal
|move2=ThunderPunch
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Focus Punch
|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Light Screen
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=026
|pokemon=Raichu
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=51
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=101
|pokemon=Electrode
|ability=Soundproof
|level=53
|type1=Electric
|move1=Rollout
|move1type=Rock
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Explosion
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rain Dance
|move4type=Water}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=181
|pokemon=Ampharos
|ability=Static
|gender=male
|level=51
|type1=Electric
|move1=Protect
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Light Screen
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|ability=Magnet Pull
|level=53
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=Supersonic
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Protect
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3type=Water
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=3
|game=Emerald
|ndex=310
|pokemon=Manectric
|ability=Static
|held=Sitrus Berry
|gender=male
|level=55
|type1=Electric
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Protect
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric}}
}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Wattson Laughing.png|thumb|left|240px|Wattson in the anime]]
Wattson first appeared in ''[[AG040|Watt's with Wattson?]]''. He filled his [[Gym]] in [[Mauville City]] with lots of traps, pit-falls, roller coasters, and other tricks and pranks, much like [[Lt. Surge]] in [[Vermilion City]]. Wattson believed his gadgetry was not only hilarious, but kept trainers on their toes.

One of Wattson's tricks was a robotic {{p|Raikou}} that ended up super-charging the electricity in {{AP|Pikachu}}. As a result, {{Ash}}'s Pikachu was able to completely wipe out Wattson's team on its own, using a series of super-powerful {{m|Thunderbolt}}s.

Losing so easily really depressed the usually cheerful Gym Leader. Wattson left everyone a note saying that he went away to think. Uncharacteristically glum, he wandered off to the local power plant and met a friendly {{p|Electrike}}.

Afterwards [[Team Rocket]] stole all the Electric-type Pokémon from the power plant, so Wattson, Ash, [[Brock]], [[Max]], and {{an|May}} pursued them.

Wattson used the Raikou robot to stop them in their tracks, while Pikachu and Electrike used {{m|Iron Tail}} and {{m|Bite}} to free the wild Pokémon. Ash tried to return the Dynamo Badge, but Wattson told him to keep it. Electrike decided to stay with Wattson.

Wattson again appeared in ''[[AG059|Manectric Charge]]''. He saved most of the group's Pokémon from another Team Rocket kidnapping attempt. The battle caused Electrike to [[evolution|evolve]] into {{TP|Wattson|Manectric}}. They were on their way back to [[Petalburg City]], but Ash and his friends took time out for a battle.

[[Ash's Torkoal]] fought against Wattson's Manectric in a fierce battle, which Manectric won.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Wattson's Pokémon in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Wattson
|pkmn=Manectric
|type1=Electric
|img=Wattson'sManectric.png
|epnum=AG040
|epname=Watt's with Wattson?
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|desc=It first appeared as an {{p|Electrike}} after Wattson's defeat by Ash, he came to the Power Plant in Mauville City. After cheering him up, he send Team Rocket blasting off together with Ash's Pikachu. After this, it stayed with Wattson. The gang return to Mauville City. Electrike evolved into {{p|Manectric}} after deating Team Rocket. Ash decided to challenge Wattson and Manectric to a training match with his Torkoal. After a fierce battle, Manectric emerged victorious.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Wattson
|pkmn=Magnemite
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|img=Wattson's Magnemite.png
|epnum=AG040
|epname=Watt's with Wattson?
|desc=Magnemite was the first Pokémon used by Wattson in his Gym Battle against Ash. Due to {{AP|Pikachu}} being powered-up by the mecha-Raikou it was defeated with only a single {{m|Thunderbolt}}.

Magnemite's only known attack is {{m|Swift}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Wattson
|pkmn=Voltorb
|type1=Electric
|img=Wattson's Voltorb.png
|epnum=AG040
|epname=Watt's with Wattson?
|desc={{p|Voltorb}} was the second Pokémon used by Wattson against Ash. Like Magnemite, it was defeated with a single Thunderbolt.

Voltorb's only known attack is {{m|Screech}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Wattson
|pkmn=Magneton
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|img=Wattson's Magneton.png
|epnum=AG040
|epname=Watt's with Wattson?
|desc={{p|Magneton}} was the final Pokémon used Wattson during the Gym Battle. By this point in the match, both Wattson and Magneton were determined to defeat Ash, but Magneton couldn't stand up to Pikachu's super-charged {{m|Thunder}} and was also knocked out in a single hit.

Magneton's only known attack is {{m|Zap Cannon}}.}}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{electric color light}}
|ja=緒方賢一 ''Ken'ichi Ogata''
|en=[[Dan Green]]
|es_eu=Fernando Hernández
|pl=Andrzej Chudy
|fr_eu=Jean-Daniel Nicodème}}

==In the Pokémon Adventures manga==
[[File:Wattson and Flannery.png|thumb|right|250px|Wattson and his Electrike (right) with Flannery and her Magcargo (left)]]
Wattson is the cheerful [[Gym Leader]] of {{ci|Mauville}}, who enjoys cracking jokes that include puns on people's names. His motto was "Be cheerful, no matter when or where". He doesn't care when or where the battles take place, every challenge to him qualifies as a gym battle. He doesn't even care about the result, and would often give out badges as long as his challengers do their best. Because of this attitude, {{adv|Sapphire}} was very annoyed with him.

When Sapphire first met the elderly gym leader, he and the Trick Master were trying to locate a rampaging {{p|Donphan}} with tricks developed by the latter. But they had mistaken Sapphire as the Donphan and trapped her and her Pokémon with the tricks. Sapphire inquired whether the turning door on the ground was also part of their traps. It was actually the secret entrance to [[New Mauville]], the secret underground city Wattson and Trick Master had been trying to find for some time.

Mauville had been having the problem of land shortage and overcrowding because of the growing number of children in the city. As both Wattson and Trick Master cherish children a lot, they hoped they could find this secret city for them. Later, Sapphire saved Wattson from an overcharged generator and got the New Mauville, which is a large amusement park, into operation. Thankful for her help, Wattson gave her the {{Badge|Dynamo}}.

After being informed about [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]]'s schemes, he sided with Team Magma because of his city's problem of land shortage. When the two ancient Pokémon were awakened, he was assigned to fight against {{p|Kyogre}}, and later [[Aqua Admin Amber|Amber]], one of the [[Subleaders of the Sea Scheme|Aqua Admins]]. He was knocked into the sea after being attacked from behind by a {{p|Shedinja}}, but Sapphire's {{p|Wailord}} saved his life. He was left on the [[Pokémon Association]]'s aircraft as he was too injured to continue fighting.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Wattson's Pokémon in the Pokémon Adventures manga.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center colspan=2 | [[Image:309.png]] → [[Image:310.png]] {{p|Electrike}} → {{p|Manectric}}
| align=center | [[Image:081.png]] {{p|Magnemite}} (×2)
|-
| align=center | [[Image:082.png]] {{p|Magneton}}
| align=center | [[Image:100.png]] {{p|Voltorb}}
| align=center | [[Image:101.png]] {{p|Electrode}}
|}

==Quotes==
''"I've given up on my plans to convert the city, I have. And so, I put my time into making door traps in my Gym. Oh? Now, what are you doing here? What's that? You say you've gotten past all my rigged doors? Wahahahah! Now, that is amusing! Then, I, Wattson, the Leader of Mauville Gym, shall electrify you!"''

''"Wahahahah! Fine, I lost! You ended up giving me a thrill! Take this Badge!"''

"''I swell with optimism, seeing a promising young Trainer like you!"''

Before and after the first rematch:

"''Ah-ha! Here at last! I know what you want. You want to battle my Pokémon! Wahahahaha! I'll make sparks fly from you! Don't say I didn't warn you!''"

"''Oof... Our batteries ran dry...''"

"''We'll have to recharge our batteries again. When we're fully charged up, we'll gladly accept your challenge. So, come back again sometime, won't you?''"

=== Trainer's Eyes ===
'''Strategy''' -
I choose to electrify

'''Trainer's Pokémon''' -
Get shocked by electricity!

'''Self-Introduction''' -
Wahahahaha! The secret to health is laughter!

==Trivia==
* Like [[Lt. Surge]] is in [[Kanto]], Wattson is the third [[Gym Leader]] encountered on a journey through [[Hoenn]], and is similarly enamored with trap doors and {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon.
* Wattson's {{p|Magneton}} in the games is quite underleveled, as Magneton must evolve from Magnemite at Lv. 30, and although Magneton can be caught at a level less than 30 in New Mauville, it cannot be caught as low as Level 22 or 23.
* To follow the pattern of every Electric-type Gym Leader's military-style clothing, Wattson wears what appears to be an aviator's jacket.
* In Ruby and Sapphire, he is the only Gym Leader who's strongest Pokémon does not originate from Hoenn. However, in Emerald this changed when his strongest Pokémon became Manectric instead of Magneton.
===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
|テッセン (''Tessen'')
|鉄線 ''tessen'' means iron/steel wire. It is also an alternative name given to the flower, clematis. Interestingly, this is also the name origin for [[Lt. Surge]], another [[Gym Leader]] who uses {{type2|Electric}} [[Pokémon]].
|-
|English
|Wattson
|From "watt."
|-
|French
|Voltere
|Pun on "{{wp|Voltaire}}" and "volt."
|-
|German
|Walter
|Possible relation to "watt" or "volt."
|-
|Italian
|Walter
|Possible relation to "watt" or "volt."
|-
|Spanish
|Erico
|Possible derivation of "eléctrico" (electric).
|-
|Korean
|암페어 (''Ampeeo'')
|A Hangul spelling of the word "ampere."
|-
|Chinese
|鐵旋/铁旋 (''Tiěxuán'')
|From 鉄旋, a possible spelling of ''Tessen''.
|}

==References==
* Pokémon.com [http://www.pokemon.com/#tvmovies_652 Watt's With Wattson?].
* Pokémon.com [http://www.pokemon.com/#tvmovies_719 Manectric Charge].

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-tessen.html Tessen's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{{Gym Leaders of Hoenn}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Emerald characters]]
[[Category:Electric-type trainers]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Walter]]
[[es:Erico]]
[[fr:Voltère]]
[[ja:テッセン]]
[[pt:Wattson]]

Talk:Wattson

2010-02-04T06:43:25Z

Kanjo: /* Wattson's Voltorb in Sapphire */

== Wattson's Voltorb in Sapphire ==

I'm playing through Sapphire right now. Based on the moves listed here, I went with Shedinja to blow through Wattson with complete immunity. His Voltorb just took my Shedinja out with Rollout.

I'll try to pay attention to what else it has, but obviously something's not right here. --[[User:Honiberri|Honiberri]] 07:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:This seems like a forum talk sorry to say.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 07:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

::I'm saying that the moves listed on the page are wrong, but I don't have enough information to correct it outright. That's one of the things talk pages are for.

::It just used Sonicboom, too. --[[User:Honiberri|Honiberri]] 07:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm save or right down whatever you used and we can maybe look into it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 07:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

::::I managed to survive long enough to see all its moves: Rollout, Spark, Sonicboom, and Selfdestruct. --[[User:Honiberri|Honiberri]] 07:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Those are it's moves in Emerald.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 07:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, I can tell you for sure that it's a Sapphire cartridge I'm playing. It's blue and says Pokémon Sapphire Version on the label, and Kyogre pops up when I start it. I mean...literally, I just checked all those things to rule out the possibility that I'm crazy. Also, I don't own Emerald. --[[User:Honiberri|Honiberri]] 08:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::According to the article, it has shockwave instead of sonicboom in Emerald. I'll assume it's a legit copy and Wattson also had a magnimite and magniton but nothing else..? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 06:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::You can see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kS0aG2uVG8 and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENdtXbUwOmk that the movelist honiberri gave is right. I'll change the article. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 06:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Wattson

2010-02-04T06:31:10Z

Kanjo: /* Wattson's Voltorb in Sapphire */

Sidney

2010-01-21T22:34:24Z

Kanjo: /* Trivia */ maybe not *very* interesting, but it's not like the page was covered with trivia before... I thought it was strange.

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Sidney |
jname=カゲツ |
tmname=Kagetsu |
image=[[Image:Sidney.png|140px]] |
caption=Art from R/S/E |
gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown |
region=[[Hoenn]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Elite Four|Elite trainer]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation=[[Generation III|III]] |
games={{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} |
leader=no |
elite=yes |
type={{t|Dark}} |
brain=no |
anime=no |
}}

'''Sidney''' (Japanese: '''カゲツ''' ''Kagetsu'') is a {{Pkmn|master}} {{type2|Dark}} {{pkmn|Trainer}} and member of the [[Hoenn]] [[Elite Four]].

==In the games==
In [[Generation III]], Sidney is the first member of the [[Hoenn]] [[Elite Four]]. He is an upbeat guy who enjoys what he does, even if he loses. His strategy is all-out offensive.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Sidney's Pokémon in the video games in which he has appeared.

====Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire====
{{Party
|color={{dark color}}
|headcolor={{dark color light}}
|bordercolor={{dark color dark}}
|sprite=E_Sidney.png
|prize={{pdollar}}4900
|class=[[Elite Four]]
|name=Sidney
|game={{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}
|location=[[Ever Grande City]]
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby|ndex=262|pokemon=Mightyena|ability=Intimidate|gender=male|level=46|type1=Dark|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move2=Take Down|move2type=Normal|move3=Roar|move3type=Normal|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby|ndex=275|pokemon=Shiftry|ability=Chlorophyll|gender=male|level=48|type1=Grass|type2=Dark|move1=Extrasensory|move1type=Psychic|move2=Fake Out|move2type=Normal|move3=Double Team|move3type=Normal|move4=Swagger|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby|ndex=332|pokemon=Cacturne|ability=Sand Veil|gender=male|level=46|type1=Grass|type2=Dark|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move2=Needle Arm|move2type=Grass|move3=Leech Seed|move3type=Grass|move4=Cotton Spore|move4type=Grass}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby|ndex=319|pokemon=Sharpedo|ability=Rough Skin|gender=male|level=48|type1=Water|type2=Dark|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move3=Slash|move3type=Normal|move4=Swagger|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Ruby|ndex=359|pokemon=Absol|ability=Pressure|held=Sitrus Berry|gender=male|level=49|type1=Dark|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move2=Swords Dance|move2type=Normal|move3=Slash|move3type=Normal|move4=Snatch|move4type=Dark}}
}}

====Pokémon Emerald====
{{Party
|color={{dark color}}
|headcolor={{dark color light}}
|bordercolor={{dark color dark}}
|sprite=E_Sidney.png
|prize={{pdollar}}4900
|class=[[Elite Four]]
|name=Sidney
|game={{v2|Emerald}}
|location=[[Ever Grande City]]
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Emerald|ndex=262|pokemon=Mightyena|ability=Intimidate|gender=male|level=46|type1=Dark|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move2=Double-Edge|move2type=Normal|move3=Roar|move3type=Normal|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Emerald|ndex=275|pokemon=Shiftry|gender=male|level=48|type1=Grass|type2=Dark|move1=Extrasensory|move1type=Psychic|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move3=Double Team|move3type=Normal|move4=Swagger|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Emerald|ndex=332|pokemon=Cacturne|ability=Sand Veil|gender=male|level=46|type1=Grass|type2=Dark|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move2=Needle Arm|move2type=Grass|move3=Leech Seed|move3type=Grass|move4=Cotton Spore|move4type=Grass}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Emerald|ndex=342|pokemon=Crawdaunt|ability=Hyper Cutter|gender=male|level=48|type1=Water|type2=Dark|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move2=Swords Dance|move2type=Normal|move3=Facade|move3type=Normal|move4=Strength|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon|gen=3|game=Emerald|ndex=359|pokemon=Absol|ability=Pressure|held=Sitrus Berry|gender=male|level=49|type1=Dark|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move2=Swords Dance|move2type=Normal|move3=Slash|move3type=Normal|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock}}
}}

===Quotes===
''"Welcome, challenger! I'm Sidney of the Elite Four. I like that look you're giving me. I guess you'll give me a good match. That's good! Looking real good! All right! You and me, let's enjoy a battle that can only be staged here in the Pokémon League!"''

''"Well, how do you like that? I lost! Eh, it was fun, so it doesn't matter.

''"Well, listen to what this loser has to say. You've got what it takes to go far. Now, go on to the next room and enjoy your next battle!"''

[[Image:BattlingSidney.png|thumb|An image of Sidney upon entering battle with {{ga|Brendan}}]]

==== Trainer's Eyes ====
'''Strategy''' -
Offense over defense

'''Trainer's Pokémon''' -
The Dark side's beauties

'''Self-Introduction''' -
You can talk all you want - might is right!

==In the Pokémon Adventures manga==
[[Image:Sidney.PNG|right|frame|Sidney]]

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Sidney's Pokémon in the Pokémon Adventures manga.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:335.png]] {{p|Zangoose}}
| align=center | [[Image:375.png]] {{p|Metang}}
|}

====Released====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:377.png]] {{p|Regirock}} (With [[Drake (Elite Four)|Drake]])
|}

==In the TCG==
Sidney was featured in the TCG. The following is a list of cards featuring Sidney or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|EX Power Keepers|Sidney's Stadium|82}} || St || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|EX Power Keepers}} || 82/108
|}

==Trivia==
*Sidney is the only member of the [[Hoenn]] [[Elite Four]] who does not share a specialty type with that of a [[Kanto]] Elite Four member of [[Generation I]]. However, [[Karen]] of the [[Generation II]] Elite Four is also a specialist in the {{type2|Dark}}.

*Though he specializes in Dark-types, in ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'' he has never used one during the story line. Furthermore, he is also the only member of the Hoenn Elite Four in ''Pokémon Adventures'' to have never used a Pokémon of his own type during the story line so far. However, this does not mean he does not own any.

*In {{v2|Emerald}}, Sidney's {{p|Sharpedo}} is replaced by a {{p|Crawdaunt}}. This is the only change to an [[Elite Four]] member's team in any generation that cannot be explained by increased availability between versions, generations or Pokédex completion, or by increasing difficulty in response to the player's increased completion of the game. {{EF|Drake}}, another Elite Four member, replaced one of his {{p|Flygon}} with a {{p|Kingdra}} in Emerald, but this could be explained by {{p|Horsea|Horsea's}} slightly increased availability within Emerald, or by the release of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.

==Names==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| カゲツ ''Kagetsu''
| 花月 ''Kagetsu'', Crassula portulacea Lam. combination of the words 影 ''kage'', shadow, and 孽 ''getsu'', evil.
|-
| English
| Sidney
| Similar to ''sadness,'' ''sinister'' or possibly ''insidious''.
|-
| French
| Damien
| Could derive from ''démon''.
|-
| German
| Ulrich
| Pun on ''Unlicht'', German for {{t|Dark}}.
|-
| Italian
| Fosco
| Literally means ''dark, obscure''.
|-
| Spanish
| Sixto
| Similar to ''Siniestro'', Spanish for {{t|Dark}}.
|-
| Korean
| 혁진 ''Hyeokjin''
|
|-
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 花月 ''Huāyuè''
| From 花月, a possible spelling of ''kagetsu''.
|}
 
{{Elite Four of Hoenn}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Elite Four trainers]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Emerald characters]]
[[Category:Dark-type trainers]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Ulrich]]
[[fr:Damien (Conseil 4)]]
[[ja:カゲツ]]

Sinnoh Route 222

2010-01-18T01:21:42Z

Kanjo: fixed the infobar (I think that's what it's called) a little.

{{bad picture|article|Low quality scan from magazine}}
{{RouteInfo
|article_route=222
|size=290
|image=Route 222.jpg
|imageIV=Route 222.jpg
|type=land
|altwest=Valor Lakefront
|alteast=Sunyshore City
|regionmap=Sinnoh_Route222_Map.gif
|before=221
|after=223
|region=Sinnoh
}}

'''Route 222''' is a route in [[Sinnoh]]. It connects [[Sunyshore City]] with [[Valor Lakefront]], and cannot be accessed until the {{player}} has defeated [[Team Galactic]] at [[Mt. Coronet]].

==Route description==
Just at the beginning of the route, there is a large patch of grass to the north. The top left of it splits into three branches, each containing an item. Heading east, there is a fork in the road with upper and lower paths.

The upper path has few Trainers, a [[loamy soil]] patch, and a thin branch next to a ledge with an item at the end. There is a short path leading behind the gate. To the left is a grass patch, and to the right is a {{m|Cut}} tree that leads to an item.

The lower path is on sand. There are six Trainers here, five that will only battle if talked to. There are a few large boulders scattered around, along with two rocks that can be {{m|Rock Smash|smashed}}. To the northeast of the path, there are two buildings: the {{p|Pikachu}} Fan Club; which contains a Trainer disguised as a Pikachu, and a house hosting the Pokémon Size Contest, in which a fisherman will give a prize if the player shows him a large Pokémon of his request. Southeast is a short way to two grassy patches which both contain an item.

At the intersection of both paths, there is a [[honey]] tree and a Trainer.

===Pikachu Fan Club===
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|PIKACHU Fan Club}}
{{sign|DPcity|Pikapikapikah! Pikapika?}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
On the beach, there is a house called the "Pikachu Fan Club", that contains a man with six Pikachu. He claims to challenge the Pokémon Championship using only Pikachu. One of the Pikachu in his house is actually a Trainer dressed up as one, and battles the player, using two Pikachu of her own.

===Pokémon Size Contest===
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|Pokémon Size Contest}}
{{sign|DPcity|Big Pokémon Wanted!}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
This is another house on the beach just right of it. There is a fisherman, who has a dream that a Trainer would bring him a giant Pokémon. He will give a prize if the player shows him a large Pokémon of his request.

==Items==
{{itlisth}}
{{itlistbod|Honey|Near the steps on the northern path|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Honey|(hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Ultra Ball|(hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Full Restore| (hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|TM Dark|Man near cliff edge|DPPt|display={{TM|56|Fling}}}}
{{itlistbod|Carbos|Behind {{m|Cut}}table tree|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|TinyMushroom |(hidden, requires {{m|Surf}}|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Big Mushroom|(hidden, requires {{m|Surf}})|DPPt}}
{{itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|All}}
{{catchentry4|081|Magnemite|no|no|yes|Grass|39|10%}}
{{catchentry4|082|Magneton|no|no|yes|Grass|41|5%}}
{{catchentry4|122|Mr. Mime|yes|no|no|Grass|41-42|15%}}
{{catchentry4|278|Wingull|yes|yes|no|Grass|41|10%}}
{{catchentry4|278|Wingull|no|no|yes|Grass|38|10%}}
{{catchentry4|279|Pelipper|no|no|yes|Grass|40|5%}}
{{catchentry4|404|Luxio|no|no|yes|Grass|38-40|10%}}
{{catchentry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40|20%}}
{{catchentry4|431|Glameow|no|yes|no|Grass|40|20%}}
{{catchentry4|432|Purugly|no|yes|no|Grass|41-42|15%}}
{{catchtime|Morning}}
{{catchentry4|125|Electabuzz|no|no|yes|Grass|39-41|30%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|25%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|no|no|yes|Grass|40|20%}}
{{catchentry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|10%}}
{{catchentry4|441|Chatot|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-41|20%}}
{{catchentry4|441|Chatot|no|no|yes|Grass|38|10%}}
{{catchtime|Day}}
{{catchentry4|125|Electabuzz|no|no|yes|Grass|39-41|30%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|25%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|no|no|yes|Grass|40|20%}}
{{catchentry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|10%}}
{{catchentry4|441|Chatot|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-41|20%}}
{{catchentry4|441|Chatot|no|no|yes|Grass|38|10%}}
{{catchtime|Night}}
{{catchentry4|125|Electabuzz|no|no|yes|Grass|39|20%}}
{{catchentry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|20%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|35%}}
{{catchentry4|419|Floatzel|no|no|yes|Grass|38-41|40%}}
{{catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}|3-10|100%}}
{{catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}|10-25|65%}}
{{catchentry4|223|Remoraid|yes|yes|yes|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}|10-25|35%}}
{{catchentry4|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-30|60%}}
{{catchentry4|072|Tentacool|no|no|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|30-40|60%}}
{{catchentry4|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-40|5%}}
{{catchentry4|073|Tentacruel|no|no|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|30-50|9%}}
{{catchentry4|278|Wingull|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-30|30%}}
{{catchentry4|278|Wingull|no|no|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|30-40|30%}}
{{catchentry4|279|Pelipper|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-40|5%}}
{{catchentry4|279|Pelipper|no|no|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|30-50|1%}}
{{catchtime|AfterNatDex}}
{{catchentry4|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|no|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}|30-40|60%}}
{{catchentry4|130|Gyarados|no|no|yes|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}|30-55|65%}}
{{catchentry4|224|Octillery|yes|yes|no|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}|20-50|35%}}
{{catchentry4|224|Octillery|no|no|yes|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}|30-55|35%}}
{{catchentry4|319|Sharpedo|yes|yes|no|Fishing {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}|40-55|5%}}
{{catchtime|Special}}
{{catchentry4|300|Skitty|yes|yes|no|[[Swarms]]|40|40%}}
{{catchentry4|300|Skitty|no|no|yes|[[Swarms]]|36-40|40%}}
{{catchentry4|180|Flaaffy|yes|yes|no|[[Poké Radar]]|41-42|22%}}
{{catchentry4|180|Flaaffy|no|no|yes|[[Poké Radar]]|38-41|22%}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

==Trainers==
===Diamond/Pearl===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Rich_Boy.png|Rich Boy|Trey|6880|1|404|Luxio||43|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Beauty.png|Beauty|Nicola|2408|1|428|Lopunny||43|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Marc|1376|1|458|Mantyke||43|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Tuber_M.png|Tuber|Conner||1|223|Remoraid||43|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Luther|1376|3|349|Feebas||37|None|423|Gastrodon||43|None|067|Machoke||40|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Alec|963|2|129|Magikarp||40|None|130|Gyarados||42|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|George|1344|4|129|Magikarp||38|None|130|Gyarados||42|None|223|Remoraid||40|None|456|Finneon||40|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Brett|1248|3|129|Magikarp||39|None|456|Finneon||42|None|349|Feebas||39|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Cole|1312|3|130|Gyarados||41|None|130|Gyarados||41|None|223|Remoraid||38|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Tuber_F.png|Tuber|Holly|172|1|223|Remoraid||43|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPPokeKid.png|Poké Kid|Janet||2|025|Pikachu||41|None|025|Pikachu||41|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Officer.png|Policeman|Thomas||2|164|Noctowl||42|None|067|Machoke||42|None}}
{{Trainerfooter}}

===Platinum===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Rich_Boy.png|Rich Boy|Trey|7200|1|405|Luxray|♂|45|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Beauty.png|Beauty|Nicola|2520|1|428|Lopunny|♀|45|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Marc|1440|1|458|Mantyke|♂|45|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Tuber_M.png|Tuber|Conner|176|1|223|Remoraid|♂|44|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Luther|1376|3|278|Wingull|♂|41|None|423|Gastrodon|♂|43|None|067|Machoke|♂|42|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Alec|1440|2|129|Magikarp|♂|42|None|130|Gyarados|♂|45|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|George||4|129|Magikarp|♂|41|None|130|Gyarados|♂|42|None|223|Remoraid|♂|41|None|456|Finneon|♂|41|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Brett|1344|3|129|Magikarp|♂|43|None|456|Finneon|♂|42|None|349|Feebas|♂|42|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Cole|1376|3|130|Gyarados|♂|43|None|130|Gyarados|♂|43|None|223|Remoraid|♂|40|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Tuber_F.png|Tuber|Holly|176|1|223|Remoraid|♀|44|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPPokeKid.png|Poké Kid|Janet||2|025|Pikachu|♀|42|None|025|Pikachu|♀|42|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Officer.png|Policeman|Thomas|1720|2|164|Noctowl|♂|43|None|067|Machoke|♂|43|None}}
{{Trainerfooter}}

==Map Information==
A sandy beach extends from the road. The beach is busy with avid Fishermen happily casting at the water's edge.

A man who loves fishing lives near here. There is also a man who will compare sizes of caught fish.

{{-}}
{{Sinnoh}}
{{Project Routes notice}}
[[Category:Sinnoh locations|Route 222]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 222]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations|Route 222]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]

[[de:Route 222]]
[[fr:Route 222]]
[[ja:222ばんどうろ]]
[[pt:Route 222]]

Cianwood Gym

2010-01-16T14:16:52Z

Kanjo: /* Trivia */ much better translation.

{{GymInfobox
|name=Cianwood
|characters=タンバ
|japanese=Tanba
|image=Cianwood Gym.png
|location=Cianwood City
|leader=[[Chuck]]
|badge=Storm Badge
|type=Fighting
|region=Johto
|battlefield=Cianwood-gym-int.jpg
|colordark=009090
|colorlight=00C0C0
}}
The '''Cianwood Gym''' (Japanese: '''タンバジム''' ''Tanba Gym'') is the official [[gym]] of [[Cianwood City]]. It is based on {{type2|Fighting}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Chuck]]. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat him receive the {{Badge|Storm}}.

==In the games==
===Trainers===
===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Trainerheader|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Yoshi|648|1|106|Hitmonlee|♂|27|None|36=キヨマサ|37=Kiyomasa}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Lao|648|1|107|Hitmonchan|♂|27|None|36=フミヒト|37=Fumihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Nob|600|2|066|Machop|♂|25|None|067|Machoke|♂|25|None|36=テッカン|37=Tekkan}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Lung|600|3|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|057|Primeape|♂|25|None|36=モリカズ|37=Morikazu}}
{{Trainerfooter|Fighting|2|inside}}
 
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|sprite=ChuckGSC.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|3000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Chuck]]
|game={{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|gender=male
|level=27
|type1=Fighting
|move1=Leer
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rage
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Karate Chop
|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|move1=Hypnosis
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Mind Reader
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Surf
|move3type=Water
|move4=DynamicPunch
|move4type=Fighting}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====
{{Trainerheader|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|キヨマサ|648|1|106|Hitmonlee|♂|27|None|37=Kiyomasa}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|フミヒト|648|1|107|Hitmonchan|♂|27|None|37=Fumihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|テッカン|600|2|066|Machop|♂|25|None|067|Machoke|♂|25|None|37=Tekkan}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|モリカズ|600|3|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|057|Primeape|♂|25|None|37=Morikazu}}
{{Trainerfooter|Fighting|2|inside}}
 
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=ChuckHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3720
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Chuck
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Vital Spirit
|move1=Rock Slide
|move1type=Rock
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double Team
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Focus Punch
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leer
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
|level=29
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Water Absorb
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Hypnosis
|move2type=Psychic
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Body Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Punch
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
|level=31}}
}}

==Trivia==
*In the games, the Cianwood Gym, the [[Blackthorn Gym]], and the [[Celadon Gym]] are the only gyms that require the use of an [[HM]], as part of a gym puzzle, in order to progress. Cianwood and Blackthorn's Gyms require {{m|Strength}} in Generation II, while Celadon's requires {{m|Cut}} in all Generations.
*The [[caretaker]] for the Cianwood Gym is inside the local [[Pokémon Center]] rather than the gym itself, apparently because the gym trainers are too uncivilised.

{{Gyms of Johto}}
[[Category:Gyms]]
[[Category:Johto gyms]]


[[de:Anemonia City Pokémon-Arena]]
[[fr:Arène d'Irisia]]

Cianwood Gym

2010-01-16T14:14:47Z

Kanjo: /* Trivia */

{{GymInfobox
|name=Cianwood
|characters=タンバ
|japanese=Tanba
|image=Cianwood Gym.png
|location=Cianwood City
|leader=[[Chuck]]
|badge=Storm Badge
|type=Fighting
|region=Johto
|battlefield=Cianwood-gym-int.jpg
|colordark=009090
|colorlight=00C0C0
}}
The '''Cianwood Gym''' (Japanese: '''タンバジム''' ''Tanba Gym'') is the official [[gym]] of [[Cianwood City]]. It is based on {{type2|Fighting}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Chuck]]. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat him receive the {{Badge|Storm}}.

==In the games==
===Trainers===
===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Trainerheader|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Yoshi|648|1|106|Hitmonlee|♂|27|None|36=キヨマサ|37=Kiyomasa}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Lao|648|1|107|Hitmonchan|♂|27|None|36=フミヒト|37=Fumihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Nob|600|2|066|Machop|♂|25|None|067|Machoke|♂|25|None|36=テッカン|37=Tekkan}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Lung|600|3|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|057|Primeape|♂|25|None|36=モリカズ|37=Morikazu}}
{{Trainerfooter|Fighting|2|inside}}
 
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|sprite=ChuckGSC.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|3000]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Chuck]]
|game={{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|gender=male
|level=27
|type1=Fighting
|move1=Leer
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rage
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Karate Chop
|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|move1=Hypnosis
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Mind Reader
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Surf
|move3type=Water
|move4=DynamicPunch
|move4type=Fighting}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====
{{Trainerheader|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|キヨマサ|648|1|106|Hitmonlee|♂|27|None|37=Kiyomasa}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|フミヒト|648|1|107|Hitmonchan|♂|27|None|37=Fumihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|テッカン|600|2|066|Machop|♂|25|None|067|Machoke|♂|25|None|37=Tekkan}}
{{Trainerdiv|Fighting}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|モリカズ|600|3|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|056|Mankey|♂|23|None|057|Primeape|♂|25|None|37=Morikazu}}
{{Trainerfooter|Fighting|2|inside}}
 
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=ChuckHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3720
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Chuck
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Vital Spirit
|move1=Rock Slide
|move1type=Rock
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double Team
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Focus Punch
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leer
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
|level=29
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Water Absorb
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Hypnosis
|move2type=Psychic
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Body Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Punch
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
|level=31}}
}}

==Trivia==
*In the games, the Cianwood Gym, the [[Blackthorn Gym]], and the [[Celadon Gym]] are the only gyms that require the use of an [[HM]], as part of a gym puzzle, in order to progress. Cianwood and Blackthorn's Gyms require {{m|Strength}} in Generation II, while Celadon's requires {{m|Cut}} in all Generations.
*The [[caretaker]] for the Cianwood Gym is inside the local [[Pokémon Center]] rather than the gym itself, apparently because the gym is too uncultured.

{{Gyms of Johto}}
[[Category:Gyms]]
[[Category:Johto gyms]]


[[de:Anemonia City Pokémon-Arena]]
[[fr:Arène d'Irisia]]

Talk:Level

2009-12-31T16:09:59Z

Kanjo: /* Dissobediance */

== Breeding ==
''"The level of a Pokémon will also affect breeding. Trying to breed two Pokémon with a large difference in levels will not result in an egg."''

No, it doesn't.--[[User:008xtreme|008xtreme]] 12:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Any evidence for it? --[[User:Ade Tyshio|Ade Tyshio]] 20:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:::It still works. I bred a level 51 Roselia with a level 16 Ivysaur. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] [[Image:376MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl#The Secret Page|Find the secret page!]][[Image:224MS.gif]] ♪The [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Me/Oboe|oboe]] is the best instrument ever!♪ 20:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Far as I've seen, it's the same for me, it works whatever level. What should really be stressed is that baby Pokémon don't breed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Higher?==

I heard somewhere that there are Pokémon higher than Lv. 100; is that just [[Missingno.]], or is there some other glitch, hack, or cheat that can do this? -[[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

What about the level X cards in the Pokemon Trading Card Game? X refers to an "off-the-scale" level. How would they get past lv100 in the first place? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

==Level 100==
Hypotheticly, if I have a Level 100 battling another pokemon, and one of the others in my party has an EXP share, and my Level 100 wins, does the other one still get EXP?
[[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:The Pokémon that is Level 100's exp becomes fixed at that level, so it's exp stays constant. The exp will just go to what wants it next. I'm unsure if the halved exp still applies. I need to check. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::The Pokémon holding the EXP. Share always gets half the experience if it does not participate in the battle. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Unless there are multiple Pokémon with Exp. Shares. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== Rare Candy ==

The page states that you can't induce happiness evolution through Rare Candies. I have traded a couple of Eevee to ''Ruby/Sapphire'' and gave them Rare Candies until they evolved into Espeon and Umbreon. If tameness resets upon trading, then wouldn't this have not worked? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== School of Hard Knocks ==

I seem to recall levels being directly mentioned in [[EP009]]; at the very least, [[Joe]] mentions the levels at which Pidgey and Pidgeotto evolve, and [[Giselle]] mocks Pikachu for being underleveled.

Could someone with access to the episode confirm this? [[User:You Can't See Me!|You Can't See Me!]]`

:I remember this too! I was going to link to the episode article regarding this, but it isn't mentioned there... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, it is there, I just checked; but what do you want us to say about it? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::I guess this quote needs revised: ''"Levels are famously ignored completely in the anime"''. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::That's what I had in mind. I'll write something up really quickly; feel free to change it. [[User:You Can't See Me!|You Can't See Me!]] 21:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

I heard somewhere that no Pokémon can breed if it is under level 10. Is this true? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, except for those unable to breed at all. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 15:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

::No, that's not true. If a Pokémon is able to breed, it can breed regardless of what level they're at. It's been that way ever since breeding was introduced in the games in [[Generation II]].

::You might have confused Pokémon's breeding system with that of the {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters}} series. Dragon Quest Monsters does require creatures be at level 10 in order to be able to breed (or go through its successor mechanic in {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker|Joker}}; unsure if the same is true for the successor mechanic in {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters: Caravan Heart|Caravan Heart}}...). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Manga ==

In the [[Pokémon Special]] manga level is mentioned numerous times. I suppose details should be included, but I do not have enough familiarity with the topic. [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 20:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dissobediance ==

Yeah, this seems a little off...It says that if a player has less then two Gym Badges, traded Pokemon will simply flat-out not obey at all, but when I restarted my Platinum game, I started using some Lv1s from my previous save file, and they didn't start disobeying me until they reached Lv10. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 23:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC) (Sorry, forgot to sign)

:same in HG [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 16:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokégear

2009-10-04T12:04:11Z

Kanjo: /* So the Crystal Stone callers... */

== This article needs ==
This arcticle needs to include the Kanto radio channels, and also the channel that allows you to hear the Rocket signal at Lake Rage. I also think we need to get started on an article about the Hoenn TV shows, and Mixing Records. I'll try and fill in what info I can, but I'm pretty limited [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 13:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== Lost the instructions ==
On certain occasions, if you try to adjust for Daylight Savings Time, your mom claims that she lost the PokéGear's instruction booklet. Does anyone know why this happens?[[User:Turbo|Turbo]] 00:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:This happens when changing the DST status would also change the day of the week; i.e., at or around midnight. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 00:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== V4.0 ==

Seems like the Gear's back, but upgraded to Gen IV standards (and likely touch sensitive). Keep it in this article or move it to whatever it's gonna be named as? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Since the article is about the PokéGear (and it's likely to maintain its name in HGSS), I don't think we should do anything more than updating the article for info on the HGSS version. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Leave it where it is for now. Update the article as it comes. Protect if need be. Move if need be. Sections of ==Generation II== and ==Generation IV== if required. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:40, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Should someone add the pics of the new pokégear? [[File:Ani152MS.png]][[User:Zaveno|'''Zaveno''']] [[User talk:Zaveno|'''(Talk)''']]

== Battle Items ==

After battling a Sailor Huey many times (the final one being his last new set of Pokémon), he said that he was grateful to battle me and blah...anyhow, he gave me an item afterwards: Protein. Does this happen to other trainers that say they want to battle? Is it all consistent with the items? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 11:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== SD card/radio ==

I was told that using the radio in HG/SS on a DSi will let you listen to music saved onto an SD card. Is this true? --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 16:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation. Unless you heard it from an offical site, it's just speculation! [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 16:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::The games out. Could someone confirm this? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 17:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Phone ==

Does any1 mind if i upload this image

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/onionboy_01/PokegearPhone.png? It's the phone app being used. o, and could some1 plz translate it, as I don't speak Japanese [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 22:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Elm's the one being called, just so you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== So the Crystal Stone callers... ==

They do it again in HGSS? Anyone know? We should say so here if they do... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:They do, at least the fisher and lass do (water and thunder) so I assume the rest do too. I havn't gotten anything off them yet but they keep talking about my present when I call, asking me to wait a little longer. What else would they give me? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Blackthorn City

2009-09-27T23:32:14Z

Kanjo: /* The Move Deleter */ hardly linked...

{{Infobox town
|town=Blackthorn City
|characters=フスベシティ
|japanese=Fusube City
|image=Blackthorn.png
|slogan={{sign|HGSScitymap|header}}
{{sign|HGSScitymap|map|Blackthorn City}}
{{sign|HGSScitymap|title|Blackthorn City}}
{{sign|HGSScitymap|A Quiet Mountain Retreat}}
{{sign|HGSScitymap|footer}}
|region=Johto
|routes=[[Ice Path]] (North) [[Route 45]] (South)
|bottom=gym
|gymname=[[Blackthorn Gym]]
|leader=[[Clair]]
|badge=Rising Badge
|type=Dragon
|map=Blackthorn_City.png
|colordark=303030
|colorlight=606060
}}
'''Blackthorn City''' (Japanese: '''フスベシティ''' ''Fusube City'') is located in northeast [[Johto]]. It is known as "A Quiet Mountain Retreat."

[[Pokémon Trainer]]s often come to Blackthorn City in order to win the [[Badge#Rising Badge|Rising Badge]] from [[Clair]], the Blackthorn [[Gym Leader]] who specializes in {{type2|Dragon}} [[Pokémon]].

Many famous Dragon-type Trainers, including Clair and [[Lance]], come from Blackthorn City.
==Places of interest==
===The Move Deleter===
The {{main|Move Deleter}}'s house.
A Move Deleter is located in the southern part of the city, to the left of the Pokémon Mart. Although not a hugely important place to visit, the Move Deleter is helpful for deleting moves that can't be deleted otherwise, such as HMs, or moves that can't be traded to Generation I games.

He is a very forgetful man that lives alone in a house next to the [[Pokémon Mart]] in the city. For no charge, they will make a [[Pokémon]] forget a [[move]] it knows. This is the only way for a Pokémon to forget [[HM]] moves such as {{m|Cut}} or {{m|Fly}}. In order to delete an HM move, one must first have another Pokémon with that same move in order for it to be deleted.
The move deleter's service was also used to delete moves exclusive to the second generation so that Pokémon could be traded to [[Generation I]] games via the [[Time Capsule]].

In [[Generation IV]], the move deleter shares his house with Johto's move relearner who will teach moves the Pokémon has been able to learn before in exchange for heart scales and two move tutors: one who will teach Draco Meteor and another who will teach the elemental hyper beams to full evolved starters. Like the move deleter, the tutors do not charge for their services.

===Dragon's Den===
{{main|Dragon's Den}}
A clan of masters of {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon have lived in the city for generations. The masters built the [[Dragon's Den]], a cavern with an underground lake that contains a shrine to Dragon Pokémon, as well as the elders of the Dragon clan. The entrance is located behind the gym, across a small pond, while the main cavern seems to be located underneath the city itself.

Many strong {{pkmn|Trainer}}s can be found within the cavern. The Master of the Dragon User Clan is located here, and he will quiz the player on their attitude towards and treatment of their Pokémon. Correct answers will be rewarded, in {{v2|Crystal}}, with a {{p|Dratini}} that knows {{m|ExtremeSpeed}}. {{ga|Silver}} can be found here, contemplating his training some days of the week, and [[Clair]] will visit to reward the player with the {{Badge|Rising}} she refused to award in the [[Blackthorn Gym|Gym]], as well as [[TM 24]].

It is inaccessible before defeating [[Clair]] in the [[Blackthorn Gym]], as it is blocked off by a man in front of the cave, and then it must be traversed to finally obtain the {{badge|Rising}}.

===Ice Path===
{{main|Ice Path}}
The [[Ice Path]] is the only way into the town from the north. [[Route 45]] is also reachable from the south of Blackthorn, but the steep mountain path means it can be used as an exit only. It is known for its numerous ice puzzles, which vary in size and difficulty. The Ice Cave is famous for its rare {{p|Jynx}}, but it has many other Pokémon as well. It is the only place in [[Johto]] where {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Swinub}}, {{p|Jynx}} and {{p|Delibird}} can be caught.

==Demographics==
Blackthorn City's population is 27. This high number is due, in part, to the existence of a Dragon Clan residing in the city.

==Poké Mart==
{{mart|header}}
{{mart|class|b}}
{{mart|item|Great Ball|600}}
{{mart|item|Ultra Ball|1200}}
{{mart|class|m}}
{{mart|item|Hyper Potion|1200}}
{{mart|item|Max Potion|2500}}
{{mart|item|Status ailment healing item#Full Heal{{!}}Full Heal|600}}
{{mart|class|x}}
{{mart|item|X Defend|550}}
{{mart|item|X Attack|500}}
{{mart|footer}}

==Items==
===Generation II===
* [[Spell Tag]]: From [[Santos]], only on [[Saturday]].
==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|water}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|15%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|85%}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|65%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|35%}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|80%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|20%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Surf|5-19|100%}}
{{catchablefooter|water}}

===[[Gift Pokémon]]===
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{Catchentry2|112|Rhydon|yes|yes|no|House|The same as the Traded Pokémon|Trade Dragonair♀}}
{{Catchentry2|085|Dodrio|no|no|yes|House|The same as the Traded Pokémon|Trade Dragonair♀}}
{{catchablefooter}}

{{catchableheader|land|2}}
{{catchbar|[[Gift Pokémon]]}}
{{catchentryhs|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|House|The same as the Traded Pokémon|Trade {{p|Dragonair}}{{female}}}}
{{catchablefooter|land|2}}

==Trainer Tips==
A <sc>Pokémon</sc> holding a <sc>MiracleBerry</sc> will cure itself of any status problem.

==Name origin==
[[wp:Blackthorn|Blackthorn]] is a type of plant closely related to the [[wp:plum|plum]]. Fusube may refer to Fusube-yama (伏辺山,) a mountain in [[wp:Yamagata Prefecture|Yamagata Prefecture]]. Its name can be roughly translated as "to hide" (''fusu,'' 伏) "surrounding area" (''be,'' 辺.)

==Trivia==
* A remix of this town's music can be heard on [[Four Island (town)|Four]] and {{OBP|Five Island|town}}s.

==In other languages==
* Spanish: '''Ciudad Endrino'''
* Italian: '''Ebanopoli'''
* German: '''Ebenholz City'''
* French: '''Ébénelle'''

{{stub|Location}}
{{Johto}}
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}
[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Ebenholz City]]
[[es:Ciudad Endrino]]
[[fr:Ébénelle]]
[[ja:フスベシティ]]

Yanma (Pokémon)

2009-09-16T13:02:33Z

Kanjo: /* Game locations */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=bug | type2=flying | prevnum=192| nextnum=194 | prev=Sunflora | next=Wooper}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Yanma |
jname=ヤンヤンマ |
tmname=Yanyanma |
image=193Yanma.png |
caption=Artwork from HG/SS |
pron=<sc>yan-mah</sc> |
ndex=193 |
jdex=101 |
hdex=338 |
sdex=183 |
adex=118 |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Flying |
species=Clear Wing |
height-ftin=3'11" |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=83.8 |
weight-kg=38.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Speed Boost |
ability2=Compoundeyes |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evsp=1 |
expyield=147 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Red |
catchrate=75 |
body=13 |
pokefordex=yanma |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Yanma''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヤンヤンマ''' ''Yanyanma'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Flying}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Yanmega}} when [[level]]ed up while knowing {{m|AncientPower}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Yanma is a large, red dragonfly Pokémon. It has a long thin abdomen and a comparatively short thorax. It has three pairs of legs and two pairs of wings with red bands on them. Its head is also mostly red, except for its very large bright green eyes that take up most of the space on its head. It has {{a|Compoundeyes|exceptional vision}}.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
It can use its {{a|Compoundeyes|compound eyes}} to see completely around itself, making it easier to capture prey and avoid predators. It also can flap its wings very fast to generate shock waves which can break glass. Yanma's trademark attack seems to be {{m|SonicBoom}}, as seen in the {{pkmn|anime}} and [[Pokédex]].

===Behavior===
===Habitat===
[[Image:Forest.gif|left|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Forest Pokémon}}]]
In {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, Yanma was very rare except for the occasional [[Mass Outbreak|swarm]]. It is often found in wooded and swampy areas.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

It is a hunter that uses its amazing eyesight and speed to pursue its prey.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Jessie Yanma.jpg|thumb|right|{{TP|Jessie|Yanma|Yanmega}} in the anime]]
Yanma first appeared in ''[[EP177|Wings n' Things]]''. It was carelessly breaking glass in a town.

Yanma also made a cameo in ''[[PK11|Pikachu's PikaBoo]]'', and another as one of the Pokémon to appear in Latios and Latias' garden in ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]''.

A Yanma appeared in ''[[AG014|All in a Day's Wurmple]]'', under the ownership of [[Forrester Franklin]].

A group of Yanma also appeared in ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]''.

Yanma also appeared in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part One]]''.

In ''[[DP080|The Thief That Keeps on Thieving!]]'', a rookie {{pkmn|Trainer}} named [[Tyler]] was about to capture a Yanma that his {{p|Piplup}} had weakened, when Team Rocket showed up, and [[Jessie]] captured it instead. They sent it to [[Giovanni]]; however, [[Team Rocket]] already had obtained a large number of Yanma and so Giovanni returned it to them. When Jessie used Yanma in battle, it used {{m|AncientPower}} and evolved into a {{TP|Jessie|Yanmega}}. During this time, another weakened Yanma got away. A third Yanma appeared afterwards, and Tyler finally captured that one.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP177|Yanma|Ash's Pokédex|Yanma, the Clear Wing Pokémon. Through the use of its two large eyes, Yanma can see in all directions at once. Yanma is capable of beating its wings at a high rate of speed generating a powerful shockwave strong enough to shatter glass. Two of Yanma's strongest attacks are the {{m|Tackle}}, {{m|Double Team}}, and {{m|Sonicboom}}.}}
{{Animedexbody|EP177|Yanma|James's Book|Yanma can flap its wings faster to generate a shockwave capable of shattering windows.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Original|Johto}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Special manga===
A trio of Yanma are accidentally let loose in {{PSV|12}}, causing minor chaos at [[Indigo Plateau]].
===Pokédex entries===
{{Mangadexheader}}
{{Mangadexbody|Pokémon Special|[[PS154]]|Its two big eyes can turn 360 degrees, observing the surroundings, in search of insects for food.{{tt|*|Chuang Yi's translation}}}}
{{Mangadexfooter}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Yanma (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=bug
|type2=flying
|gen=2
|golddex=If it flaps its wings really fast, it can generate shock waves that will shatter windows in the area.
|silverdex=Its large eyes can scan 360 degrees. It looks in all directions to seek out insects as its prey.
|crystaldex=It can see in all directions without moving its big eyes, helping it spot attackers and food right away.
|stadium2dex=If it flaps its wings really fast, it can generate shock waves that will shatter windows in the area.
|rubydex=Yanma is capable of seeing 360 degrees without having to move its eyes. It is a great flier that is adept at making sudden stops and turning midair. This Pokémon uses its flying ability to quickly chase down targeted prey.
|sapphiredex=Yanma is capable of seeing 360 degrees without having to move its eyes. It is a great flier that is adept at making sudden stops and turning midair. This Pokémon uses its flying ability to quickly chase down targeted prey.
|emeralddex=It can see 360 degrees without moving its eyes. It is a great flier capable of making sudden stops and turning midair to quickly chase down targeted prey.
|firereddex=Its large eyes can scan 360 degrees. It looks in all directions to seek out insects as its prey.
|leafgreendex=If it flaps its wings really fast, it can generate shock waves that will shatter windows in the area.
|diamonddex=Its eyes can see 360 degrees without moving its head. It won't miss prey, even those behind it.
|pearldex=Its eyes can see 360 degrees without moving its head. It won't miss prey, even those behind it.
|platinumdex=It can hover in one spot by flapping its wings at high speed. It flits about to guard its territory.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=bug |
type2=flying |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea={{rt|35}} |
crarity=Rare |
carea={{rt|35}} |
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Ruin Valley]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Miror B.'s Hideout]] |
coloshadow=yes |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Great Marsh]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Great Marsh]] |
palarea=Field |
hgssrarity=Rare |
hgssarea={{rt|35}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=bug
|type2=flying
|channel=[[Springleaf Field|Back Yard]]
|trozei=Endless Level 18 Endless Level 38 Forever Level 18 [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Silent Chasm]] (1F-8F) [[Pitfall Valley]] (9F-15F) [[Remains Island]] (B9-B15)
|md2=[[Steam Cave]] (1F-8F) [[Upper Steam Cave]] (1F) [[Lush Meadow]] (1F-5F)
|ranger2=[[Union Road]]
|ranch=Random [[Hayley's trades|trade]] with [[Hayley]]{{tt|*|Available for transfer to Diamond, Pearl and Platinum}}
}}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
type=bug |
type2=flying |
HP= 65 |
Attack= 65 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 45 |
Speed= 95 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=bug|
type2=flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 25 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=½|}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Yanma}}

====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|bug|flying|4|2|Yanma}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|35|95|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|6|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|14|SonicBoom|Normal|Special|—|90|20|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|17|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|22|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|27|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|30|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|33|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|38|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|43|Wing Attack|Flying|Physical|60|100|35|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|46|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|49|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|54|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|57|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|bug|flying}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Bug|Flying|4|2|Yanma}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM47]]|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM51]]|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM62]]|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM89]]|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM05]]|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|bug|flying}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|bug|flying|4|2|Yanma}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gligar}}, {{p|Gliscor}} {{p|Trapinch}}, {{p|Vibrava}}, {{p|Flygon}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Paras}}, {{p|Parasect}} {{p|Venonat}}, {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Spinarak}}, {{p|Ariados}} {{p|Nincada}}, {{p|Ninjask}} {{p|Kricketune}}|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Scyther}}, {{p|Scizor}} {{p|Heracross}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Venonat}}, {{p|Venomoth}} {{p|Spinarak}}, {{p|Ariados}} {{p|Volbeat}}|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Ledian}} {{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Mothim}}|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Butterfree}} {{p|Beautifly}} {{p|Dustox}} {{p|Masquerain}}|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|bug|flying}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|bug|flying|4|2|Yanma}}
{{mtentry4|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|55|95|25|Smart|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|bug|flying}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|193|33|Shadow Rush|--|--|--|Detect|Fighting|Supersonic|Normal|SonicBoom|Normal|Uproar|Normal|colo|bug|flying}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=bug |
ndex=193 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.4% |
area=Mist-Rise Forest |
P1=Front, sides, and to the back--there's nothing my [[Compoundeyes (ability)|eyes]] don't see. |
P2=Urf... My health is reduced to half. |
P3=I'm crashing down... My wings are barely moving... |
PL=There! My level's gone up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2=Flying |
typeA2=Flying |
field2=Cut |
field2power=2 |
browser2=It flits around while launching supersonic waves and shock waves. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=193
|name1=Yanma
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Flying
|evotype1=Move
|move1=AncientPower
|move1type=Rock
|sprite2=469
|name2=Yanmega
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Flying
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=bug|
type2=flying|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=193|
name=Yanma|
}}

==Trivia==
*Yanma and its evolution, {{p|Yanmega}}, are the only Pokémon whose names begin with the letter Y.
*Yanma weighs exactly the same as {{ga|Lucas}} of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. It shares this characteristic with {{p|Sudowoodo}}, {{p|Skuntank}}, {{p|Togekiss}}, and {{p|Fearow}}.
*Prior to [[Generation IV]], Yanma could only learn one {{type2|Flying}} move: {{m|Wing Attack}}, and could not learn any Bug-type moves via leveling up.
**In {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, though, it could not learn any Flying-type moves.
*Yanma and its evolution, {{p|Yanmega}}, are the only {{t|Bug}}/{{type2|Flying}} Pokémon to learn {{m|AncientPower}} by level up, and also the only two non-legendary Pokémon that can learn it and have the move do 4 times the damage on them.
**They are also the first Pokémon shown to use AncientPower in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
*In Gold and Silver, the spikes at the end of Yanma's tail are actually located under the tail.
*Despite its species being ''Clear Wing'' Yanma actually has red stripes on each of its wings.
*Yanma is the last Pokémon in [[Johto Dex]] order that has the same number that it has in the [[New Pokédex]], thanks to its evolution and the evolutions of {{p|Aipom}}, {{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Piloswine}}, and {{p|Tangela}}.

===Origin===
It is, as its name suggested, based on {{wp|Anisozygoptera|an ancient dragonfly}} because of its size and weight.

====Name origin====
Yanma's name is an abbreviation of its Japanese name, which is in turn 蜻蜓 ''yanma'', large dragonfly, partially doubled.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Yanma
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Yanma
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 왕자리 ''Wangjari''

==Related articles==
*[[Jessie's Yanmega|Jessie's Yanma]]

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=bug | type2=flying | prevnum=192| nextnum=194 | prev=Sunflora | next=Wooper}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve with certain moves]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve with AncientPower]]

[[pl:Yanma]]

[[de:Yanma]]
[[es:Yanma]]
[[fr:Yanma]]
[[ja:ヤンヤンマ]]
[[pt:Yanma (pokémon)]]

Johto Route 35

2009-09-16T13:00:22Z

Kanjo: /* Pokémon */

{{RouteInfo
|article_route=35
|alternate_name=
|type=land
|direction_a=North
|terminus_a=[[National Park]]
|junction=[[Route 36]]
|direction_b=South
|terminus_b=[[Goldenrod City]]
|regionmap=Johto Route35 Map.gif
|region=Johto
|generation={{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|before=34
|after=36
}}
'''Route 35''' lies just north of [[Goldenrod City]], leading straight from there to Johto's famous [[National Park]], home of the [[Bug Catching Contest]]. However, not all of the rare bugs are within the park, and the grass in the northeastern portion of the route is home to wild {{p|Yanma}}.

==Route description==
The route is a relatively short route, leading the player in an S-like curve, around a small body of water, and north to the southern entrance to the National Park. At the lookout station leading from Goldenrod, there is a guard who will give the player a {{p|Spearow}} with [[Mail]] attached to deliver to another person.

==Items==
* [[Mysteryberry]]: across the small pond
* {{TM|04|Rollout}}: southern part of the grass patch

==Pokémon==
===[[Generation II]]===
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentry2|029|Nidoran♀|yes|yes|no|Grass|12|30%}}
{{catchentry2|032|Nidoran♂|yes|yes|no|Grass|12|30%}}
{{catchentry2|039|Jigglypuff|no|no|yes|Grass|12|5%}}
{{catchentry2|063|Abra|yes|yes|yes|Grass|10|10%}}
{{catchentry2|096|Drowzee|yes|yes|no|Grass|14|20%}}
{{catchentry2|132|Ditto|yes|yes|yes|Grass|10|4%}}
{{catchentry2|193|Yanma|yes|yes|yes|Grass|12,14|1%}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|15%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|85%}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|65%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|35%}}
{{catchentry2|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|80%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|20%}}
{{catchentry2|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|90%}}
{{catchentry2|055|Golduck|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|10%}}
{{catchtime|morning}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|no|Grass|14|5%}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|14|30%}}
{{catchentry2|058|Growlithe|no|no|yes|Grass|13|20%}}
{{catchentry2|209|Snubbull|no|no|yes|Grass|12|30%}}
{{catchtime|day}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|no|Grass|14|5%}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|14|30%}}
{{catchentry2|058|Growlithe|no|no|yes|Grass|13|20%}}
{{catchentry2|209|Snubbull|no|no|yes|Grass|12|30%}}
{{catchtime|night}}
{{catchentry2|054|Psyduck|no|no|yes|Grass|13|20%}}
{{catchentry2|096|Drowzee|no|no|yes|Grass|12|30%}}
{{catchentry2|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|no|Grass|14|5%}}
{{catchentry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|14|30%}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

===[[Generation IV]]===
{{catchableheader|land|2}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentryhs|029|Nidoran♀|yes|yes|Grass|11|?}}
{{catchentryhs|032|Nidoran♂|yes|yes|Grass|11|?}}
{{catchentryhs|063|Abra|yes|yes|Grass|10|?}}
{{catchentryhs|096|Drowzee|yes|yes|Grass|14|?}}
{{catchentryhs|193|Yanma|yes|yes|Grass|12|?}}
{{catchablefooter|land|2}}

==Trainers==
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|Kim|300|1|037|Vulpix|♀|15|None|36=カナミ|37=Kanami}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Camper.png|Camper|Elliot|300|2|027|Sandshrew|♂|13|None|183|Marill|♂|15|None|36=アキヒロ|37=Akihiro}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|Brooke|320|1|025|Pikachu|♀|16|None|36=イクエ|37=Ikue}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Camper.png|Camper|Ivan|280|3|050|Diglett|♂|10|None|041|Zubat|♂|10|None|050|Diglett|♂|14|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Juggler.png|Juggler|Irwin|560|4|100|Voltorb||2|None|100|Voltorb||6|None|100|Voltorb||10|None|100|Voltorb||14|None|36=マイク|37=Mike}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_FireBreather.png|Firebreather|Walt|624|2|126|Magmar|♂|10|None|126|Magmar|♂|13|None|36=トシハル|37=Toshiharu}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Officer.png|Officer|Dirk ([[Time#Times_of_day|Night]] only)|560|2|058|Growlithe|♂|14|None|058|Growlithe|♂|14|None|36=シンイチ|37=Shin'ichi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_BugCatcher.png|Bug Catcher|Arnie|240|1|048|Venonat|♂|15|None|36=ヨウタ|37=Yōta}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_BirdKeeper.png|Bird Keeper|Bryan|336|2|016|Pidgey|♂|12|None|017|Pidgeotto|♂|14|None|36=ヨシキ|37=Yoshiki}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}
 

==Trainer Tips==
*Use {{m|Dig}} to return to the entrance of any place. It is convenient for exploring caves and other landmarks.

==Trivia==
*Picknicker Brooke's Japanese name is イクエ ''Ikue'' and her only Pokémon is {{p|Pikachu}}. This may be a reference to voice actress [[Ikue Ohtani]] who notably voices [[Ash's Pikachu]] in the {{pkmn|anime}}.

{{Johto}}
{{Project Routes}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 035]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 035]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 035]]

[[de:Route 35]]
[[fr:Route 35]]
[[ja:35ばんどうろ]]

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2009-09-16T12:16:05Z

Kanjo: /* Gift's from Mom */

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|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Gift's from Mom===
When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC. (Camera men at various spots around the map. usually touristy)

could you always choose not to answer your phone? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon List==
Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/exclusives.shtml] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list
for this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon ==

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

[[User:050294|050294]] 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Games Leaked==

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2009-09-16T12:15:10Z

Kanjo: /* Edit Plz */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Gift's from Mom===
When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC.

could you always choose not to answer your phone? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon List==
Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/exclusives.shtml] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list
for this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon ==

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

[[User:050294|050294]] 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Games Leaked==

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Jasmine

2009-09-15T18:59:52Z

Kanjo: /* Trivia */

{{redirect|Mikan|the location|Mikan Island}}
----
{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Jasmine |
jname=ミカン |
tmname=Mikan |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="The Steel-Clad Defense Girl" |
image=[[Image:Jasmine.jpg|140px]] |
caption=Art from Gold and Silver |
gender=Female |
colors=yes |
eyes=Blue{{tt|*|Generation II and anime}} Light brown{{tt|*|Generation IV}} |
hair=Light brown |
hometown=[[Olivine City]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives=[[Myron|Grandpa Myron]] (anime) |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]], {{pkmn|Coordinator}} |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|II}}, {{gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, {{g|Stadium 2}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]] |
leader=yes |
gym=Olivine Gym |
type={{t|Steel}} |
badge=Mineral Badge |
elite=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=EP208 |
epname=Fight for the Light |
enva=[[Tara Jayne]] |
java=Yumi Kakazu |
}}

'''Jasmine''' (Japanese: '''ミカン''' ''Mikan'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Olivine City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Olivine Gym]]. Her specialty is {{type2|Steel}} [[Pokémon]], and she gives the {{badge|Mineral}} to {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat her in {{pkmn|battle}}. She also appears in [[Sinnoh]] to give trainers {{HM|07|Waterfall}} and to compete in Sinnoh's {{pkmn|Super Contest}}s.

==In the games==
[[File:Soul Vs. Jasmine.jpg|thumb|left|{{ga|Kotone}} about to fight Jasmine in {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
Jasmine's title is "The Steel-Clad Defense Girl".

In {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, the {{player}} can't fight Jasmine right away, as she's busy taking care of a sick {{p|Ampharos}}. First one must get a [[SecretPotion|special medicine]] from the pharmacy in [[Cianwood City]] and give it to her.

Jasmine trains the recently-discovered {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon, but it's said that she recently used to train a different type. A [[Gentleman]] in the Lighthouse says she used to train {{type2|Rock}} Pokémon, like {{p|Onix}}.

Jasmine is a very shy girl, and has trouble speaking. She's compassionate, and when [[Amphy]], the Ampharos in the [[Glitter Lighthouse|lighthouse]] tower, falls ill, Jasmine is so worried she cannot even smile. Amphy and Jasmine appear to be close, because when the medicine is brought from Cianwood City, Amphy will only take it from her.
[[File:Jasmine Pt.png|thumb|right|Jasmine in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}]]
The Olivine City Gym is probably the most simply designed Pokémon Gym in Johto. It consists of just one straight, fairly short walkway, outlined with boulders, leading up to a small set of steps onto a raised stone platform. For this reason, and possibly due somewhat to Jasmine's shy nature, she appears to be the only member of her gym.

In addition to the Mineral Badge, Jasmine gives out {{TM|23|Iron Tail}}.

In {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, Jasmine is staying in [[Sunyshore City]] for a while, which she says reminds her of home with [[Vista Lighthouse|its lighthouse]] and its location on the sea. She also occasionally enters {{pkmn|Super Contest}}s with her Steelix, which is nicknamed '''Rusty''' (Japanese: '''ネール''' ''Neil'').

She gives the player {{HM|07|Waterfall}} after defeating the eighth [[Gym Leader]], [[Volkner]].

Jasmine appeared again in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Jasmine's Pokémon in the video games she has appeared in.

===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Party|color={{steel color}}|bordercolor={{steel color dark}}|headcolor={{steel color light}}
|sprite=SpriteJasmine.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}[[Pokémon Dollar|3500]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Jasmine
|game={{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Olivine Gym]]
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=2|game=Gold and Silver|ndex=081|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=30|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon|gen=2|game=Gold and Silver|ndex=081|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=30|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=ThunderShock|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon|gen=2|game=Gold and Silver|ndex=208|pokemon=Steelix
|level=35|gender=male|type1=Steel|type2=Ground
|move1=Iron Tail|move1type=Steel
|move2=Rock Throw|move2type=Rock
|move3=Sunny Day|move3type=Fire
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal}}}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====
=====First battle=====

{{Party
|color={{steel color}}
|bordercolor={{steel color dark}}
|headcolor={{steel color light}}
|sprite=JasmineHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}4200
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Jasmine
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Olivine Gym]]
|pokemon=3

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|ability=Unknown
|level=30
|move1=Thunder Wave
|move1type=Electric
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Supersonic
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Thunderbolt
|move3type=Electric
|move3cat=Special
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|ability=Unknown
|level=30
|move1=Thunder Wave
|move1type=Electric
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Supersonic
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=208
|pokemon=Steelix
|game=HeartGold
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|ability=Unknown
|level=35
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Screech
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Sandstorm
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3type=Steel
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Throw
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

=====Second battle=====

{{Party
|color={{steel color}}
|bordercolor={{steel color dark}}
|headcolor={{steel color light}}
|sprite=JasmineHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}????
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Jasmine]]
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Fighting Dojo]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=437
|pokemon=Bronzong
|game=Platinum
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Unknown
|level=50
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=227
|pokemon=Skarmory
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Steel
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unknown
|level=52
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|ability=Torrent
|level=52
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=376
|pokemon=Metagross
|game=Platinum
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Clear Body
|level=52
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=462
|pokemon=Magnezone
|game=Platinum
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|ability=Unknown
|level=56
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=208
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|pokemon=Steelix
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|ability=Unknown
|level=62}}
}}

===={{g|Stadium 2}}====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{Steel color}}
|bordercolor={{Steel color dark}}
|headcolor={{Steel color light}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Jasmine.png
|prize=[[Pokémon Dollar|N/A]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Jasmine
|game=Round 1
|location=[[Olivine Gym]]
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=208
|pokemon=Steelix
|held=Scope Lens
|level=50
|gender=male
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|move1=Iron Tail
|move1type=Steel
|move2=Rock Throw
|move2type=Rock
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Strength
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=222
|pokemon=Corsola
|held=Bitter Berry
|level=50
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|move1=Bubblebeam
|move1type=Water
|move2=Spike Cannon
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Ancient Power
|move3type=Rock
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|held=Mint Berry
|level=50
|type1=Electric
|type2=Steel
|move1=ThunderShock
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift
|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=226
|pokemon=Mantine
|held=PRZCureBerry
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Take Down
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Wing Attack
|move3type=Flying
|move4=Sleep Talk
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=227
|pokemon=Skarmory
|held=Focus Band
|level=50
|type1=Steel
|type2=Flying
|move1=Steel Wing
|move1type=Steel
|move2=Swift
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fly
|move3type=Flying
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=205
|pokemon=Forretress
|held=PSNCureBerry
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|move1=Double-Edge
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Giga Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move3=Rollout
|move3type=Rock
|move4=Rapid Spin
|move4type=Normal}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{Steel color}}
|bordercolor={{Steel color dark}}
|headcolor={{Steel color light}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Jasmine.png
|prize=[[Pokémon Dollar|N/A]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Jasmine
|game=Round 1
|location=[[Olivine Gym]]
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=208
|pokemon=Steelix
|held=Quick Claw
|level=50
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|move1=Return
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Iron Tail
|move2type=Steel
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Rock Slide
|move4type=Rock}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|held=King's Rock
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Iron Tail
|move2type=Steel
|move3=Flamethrower
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Double Kick
|move4type=Fighting}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=080
|pokemon=Slowbro
|held=Bright Powder
|level=50
|type1=Water
|type2=Psychic
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Ice Beam
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=009
|pokemon=Blastoise
|held=Miracle Berry
|level=50
|type1=Water
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Ice Beam
|move2type=Ice
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Mirror Coat
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=212
|pokemon=Scizor
|held=Focus Band
|level=50
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Reversal
|move2type=Fighting
|move3=Metal Claw
|move3type=Steel
|move4=Wing Attack
|move4type=Flying}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=234
|pokemon=Stantler
|held=PRZCureBerry
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Roar
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Psychic
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Light Screen
|move4type=Psychic}}
}}

===={{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} (Contests)====
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Steelix
|nickname=Rusty
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|ndex=208
|level=100
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Screech
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move3=Mud Sport
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move4=Fire Fang
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=3
}}

===Quotes===
====Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal====
''"Thank you for your help at the Lighthouse... But this is different. Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm Jasmine, a Gym Leader. I use the Steel-type. ...Do you know about the Steel-type? It's a type that was only recently discovered. ...Um... May I begin?"''

''"...You are a better trainer than me, in both skill and kindness. In accordance with League rules, I confer upon you this Badge."''

''"Um... I don't know how to say this, but good luck..."''
====Pokémon Diamond/Pearl====
''"... This city makes me feel at home somehow. It's next to the sea, and there's a lighthouse. Oh, that's this town's Gym Badge. You must be very good. ...Er...um... P-please, take this, too."''

''"...Um... I... I don't know how I should say this, but good luck."''

==In the anime==
{{bad image|section|Grainy jpeg}}
[[Image:Jasmine anime.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Jasmine in the anime]]
Jasmine appears in ''[[EP208|Fight for the Light]]'' and ''[[EP224|Nerves of Steelix]]''.

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Jasmine runs the [[Glitter Lighthouse]] in Olivine City. She used her [[Amphy|Ampharos]] to light the way over the shore, but when it became ill, she asked {{Ash}} to fetch it some medicine from [[Cianwood City]]. Ash and his friends retrieved the medicine and sent it back with one of Jasmine's young apprentices, [[Janina]].

Several weeks later, Ash and his friends returned from the [[Whirl Islands]] and Ash challenged Jasmine to a [[Gym]] battle. Ash used {{AP|Cyndaquil}} and was able to defeat Jasmine's {{p|Steelix}}.

Compared to other media, where she is typically depicted as meek and soft-spoken, the anime version of Jasmine is markedly more confident, and even aggressive during Gym battles. She makes a powerful introduction, leaping from a cliff and gracefully landing on her Steelix. She is not afraid to take on [[Team Rocket]], and is quite vocal in letting Ash know she won't go easy on him during battle.

===Pokémon===
This is a listing of Jasmine's known Pokémon in the anime:
====On hand====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:081.png]] {{p|Magnemite}}
| align=center | [[Image:208.png]] {{p|Steelix}}
|}
====In the lighthouse====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:181.png]] [[Amphy]]
|}

===Voice actors===
* '''Japanese'''
** かかずゆみ ''Yumi Kakazu''
* '''English'''
** [[Tara Jayne]]
* '''Brazilian'''
** [[Letícia Quinto]]

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[File:Janine and Jasmine.png|right|thumb|250px|Jasmine and her Steelix (right) with Janine and her Ariados (left)]]
Jasmine was caught in an {{m|earthquake}} caused by [[Team Rocket]] while traveling through [[Ecruteak City]]. She had climbed the [[Tin Tower]] to get away from the shaking and got caught in some rubble. Using Ampharos to send off a distress flare, she caught the attention of both {{Special|Gold}} and {{Special|Silver}}. The two boys actually fought over who would get to rescue her, and she only barely managed to escape, leaving the young rivals trapped in the tower.

Jasmine later managed to recover. At the Pokémon League Tournament, she fought against [[Brock]]. She covered her Steelix in rubble to make it look like an {{p|Onix}}, thinking that the newly-discovered Steel Pokémon would be too horrifying for people to see.

Jasmine once specialized in {{type2|Rock}} Pokémon before {{Special|Crystal}} and [[Professor Oak]] discovered Steel-type Pokémon.

Jasmine's two {{p|Togetic}} are the parents of Gold's {{p|Togepi}}.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Jasmine's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:208.png]] {{p|Steelix}}
| align=center | [[Image:176.png]] {{p|Togetic}}♂
| align=center | [[Image:176.png]] {{p|Togetic}}♀
| align=center | [[Image:082.png]] {{p|Magneton}} x2
| align=center | [[Image:181.png]] [[Amphy]]
|}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Jasmine or her Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Raichu|27}} || {{e|Lightning}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 27/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Magneton|28}} || {{e|Lightning}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 28/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Electabuzz|29}} || {{e|Lightning}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 29/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Jolteon|30}} || {{e|Lightning}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 30/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Ampharos|31}} || {{e|Lightning}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 31/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's Steelix|32}} || {{e|Metal}} || - || [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic]]H || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 32/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's TM 01|111}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 111/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Jasmine's TM 02|112}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 112/141
|}

Although not the main focus of the card, Jasmine and [[Amphy]] also appear on {{TCG ID|EX Unseen Forces|Mary's Request|86}} in the {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} set.

==Trivia==
[[Image:JasmineContest.png|thumb|right|Jasmine watching a contest? She still shows up even if a non-glitch Pokémon is used in the contest.]]
*Her Japanese Leader title is {{tt|鉄壁ガードの女の子|Iron wall-guarding girl}}.
*She's the only female Gym Leader of Johto that admits defeat.
*Many fans pointed to her appearance in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} as a hint for [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|remakes of Gold and Silver]]. Whether or not this was intended, the remakes were eventually [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|made]].
*Jasmine appears to be watching the {{pkmn|Contest}}s in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald and in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. [[Whitney]] and [[Pryce]] appear in the audience as well.
*The Olivine City Gym is the only Gym in Johto that does not have any Trainers other than its leader.
*Jasmine is the first Gym Leader to appear in all five versions of a generation, as well as the first Gym Leader to appear outside of her home region in the games (both [[Brock]] and [[Misty]] take this honor in the anime).
*In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Jasmine uses an {{p|Empoleon}} in her team in a rematch against the player. This makes her the second gym leader to use a starter Pokémon or one of it's evolutions and is the first to use a different region's starter (although it is known that she spent time in [[Sinnoh]]). What makes this more exceptional is that her gym does not specialize in a starter type, but rather Empoleon's secondary type, steel.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ミカン (''Mikan'')
| 蜜柑 ''{{wp|mikan}}'', a citrus fruit. The ''mi'' may be a reference to ミネラル, "mineral".
|-
| English, French, Italian
| Jasmine
| A {{wp|jasmine}} is a sweet-smelling flower; the ''mine'' refers to ''mineral'', or an actual mine.
|-
| German
| Jasmin
| As above.
|-
| Spanish
| Yasmina
| As above.
|-
| Korean
| 규리 (''Gyuri'')
| May be referring to the word 귤 (Gyul), which is a citrus fruit.
|-
| Chinese
| 阿蜜 (''Ā Mì'')
| 蜜 is taken from 蜜柑 ''mikan''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-mikan.html Mikan's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
{{Jasmine's Pokémon}}
 
{{Gym Leaders of Johto}}
 
{{Coordinators}}
 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Special characters]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Steel-type trainers]]
[[Category:Female characters]]
[[ja:ミカン]]
[[de:Jasmin]]
[[fr:Jasmine]]

Talk:Brock

2009-09-15T18:22:17Z

Kanjo: /* trivia? */ new section

== Special images ==
Okay, for both Brock and the other Gym Leaders - are there any images out there of them in the Special manga we could use that ''aren't'' blatantly taken from Serebii? If for no other reason than they were made to look good on a dark gray background, not a white one? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 12:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

== Harrison? ==

Now, of course, we know that Eric Stuart has confirmed that this is his name, but it still doesn't ''feel'' right to be up in the infobox and all. Maybe it's just me. I dunno. Pie? You're the Brock expert here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:As I see it, it's only Harrison in the anime and we dont even know if PUSA recognise that. It should be mentioned but I don't think it should be in the title. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::I really don't think we need it in the article. Maybe under Trivia, but definitely not in the infobox. Besides, are we sure Eric Stuart knew what he was talking about when he made that statement? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 15:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't like the fact that we mention his surname. It was never mentioned in the anime. Also why is this okay to mention what Eric Stuart says when it's not okay to say that [[Mayumi Iizuka]] (Misty's Japanese VA) said that Misty would return to the series? So we're allowed to go on what a voice actor said in this case but not for the other? In my opinion this is way worse. The Iizuka thing was put in Misty's trivia section however this is being displayed in the infobox. Note that Iizuka's comments were removed from Misty's trivia because they were not credible enough. Conclusion: We should not put on our pages what voice actors have said. However, things like that should be mentioned in the trivia section. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 03:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Age ==

Sooo...even though he was that age as of his debut, is he older, or still 15?
:We don't know. He probably is. But as Pie said, there's this eternal youth going on in the anime where the characters don't age. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 03:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== The "At Pewter Gym" section ==

What is {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} thinking by saying "800px looks better"? That section's table is way too wide at 800px! Horizontial scrolling is practically necessary to see the whole table at 800px. There is no way 800px can be considered better than 600px--you basically need the best of monitors to support a resolution where 800px looks good!

How can I get the table to look good in a 600px setting? Please do not suggest leaving it at 800px, as having it at 800px is a bad thing. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

== Proposal of splitting the article ==

I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have seperate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? [[User:Sato|Sato]] 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Well, Brock and Misty do have ''huge'', and I mean '''huge''' articles. But splitting them off into anime/games, then where'd Special go? Would we split Special off of all of the Gym Leaders? Would it go with the game one, because, you know, May and Dawn also have their Special counterparts in Sapphire and Berlitz... That's the problem with the consistency; what exactly should we be consistent with? May's anime and game counterparts are distinct, as one's a player character/rival that can have a pretty variant amount of Pokémon, another's this contest-crazy girl with a Blaziken, and the third is doing the complete opposite of the anime one and challenging '''''Gyms'''''. I get where you're coming from, but the biggest problem is maintaining the consistency between all of the Gym Leaders, too. We'd have a ton more complaints than we already do about the parentheticals if we extended them to commonly-known characters like the Gym Leaders... especially if we were to do so to Wallace and Janine, who didn't even appear in the anime, for consistency.
:But I dunno. What's everyone else think, anyway? To me, Brock's Brock, Misty's Misty, in every iteration, unlike May, Ash, and Dawn. Red's silent as night, Ash won't stop screaming at a Mankey for his {{AP|hat}}. Sure, they know different people, but hey, if Brock and Misty get divided among their ''similar'' counterparts, jeez, Koga's certainly going to need to be divided among his crazy ninja, evil Team Rocket member, and trap-setting Poison guy selves. And Lance... hoo, that guy's different in each iteration. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Why not just split 'em because of size, not because of incarnation? Split the ones that are big enough to require it and leave alone the rest. No need to split all the gym leaders if not all of them need splitting.
:::As for where the mangas would go... whichever ends smaller out of Brock (anime) and Brock (games), I suppose. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 16:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

::::No, please, God, no! Characters like Ash, May and Dawn have separate articles because they are considered as different characters from their game counterparts (this applies to all playable characters). Characters such as Brock and Misty are just adaptations of the same characters in different canons. Everyone who thinks that Red and Ash, Blue and Gary etc. are all the same character is a N00B! Read the [[Inter-media counterparts]] article for further explanation. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Bingo. Plus, don't forget, the ''manga'' adaptations of Brock and Misty are just as different from the game versions and the anime versions as the game and anime versions are from each other... If there'd be any splitting, then we'd be splitting into three... for each and every one of the Gym Leaders. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well, I wouldn't really consider splitting articles to be a problem with the other Gym Leaders, since the majority of them are only around for anywhere between 1-5 episodes of the anime usually, making them only slightly more notable than characters of the day, while Misty and Brock both have well over 200 episodes under their belt. As for manga incarnations, Pokemon Special information should remain with the game version's article and Electric Tale of Pikachu information should go with the anime version's article, since those are the original canons that the manga are based upon. The only reason I suggested it is because Misty and Brock are both highly important characters in the anime, who could easily have a whole article based on their anime version alone. [[User:Sato|Sato]] 02:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:::::::And you also suggested that you know nothing about Pokémon canon. The only thing that annoys me in big articles is Trivia Sections made of stupid trivia bits. I think it's the ONLY thing which should be changed in articles. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

::::::::And... How exactly did I suggest that I know nothing about Pokémon canon? Sure, Misty and Brock's anime incarnations are adaptations of their game personas. However, despite being considered a different character, Ash is still an adaptation of the character Red. How does acknowledging the fact that Pokémon has many seperate unrelated canons insinuate that ''I don't know anything about Pokémon canon?'' I ignored your last comment about being a "N00B", simply because it was irrelevant. However I only made a mere ''suggestion'', I didn't say ''"We should split off new articles"'' I said ''"Should we split off new articles?"''. You're entitled to your opinion that the articles shouldn't be split, however directly insulting people calling them "N00B"s and saying they "know nothing" is extremely rude and childish. I'm here at Bulbapedia as I see it as a good source of information worth working on and improving, NOT to be insulted. I'm not going out of my way to insult you, so don't you insult me. Thank you very much. [[User:Sato|Sato]] 01:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, Maxim, you are getting dangerously close to trolling here. Would you ''please'' chill out so the rest of us can have an intellegent conversation?

Anyway, I personally don't care if anime Misty/Brock and game Misty/Brock are the same character or not. Split 'em already and lets see what it looks like. It can always be reverted if it isn't working, right? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 09:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

They are fine NOT SPLIT!!!! We don't need to split them, It's is fine as one big article. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 11:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Big articles are good in a sense but it is better to split them. Because Brock in the anime and Brock in the games have a lot of different information which I don't think is good in just one article. And its also much easier for anyone visiting Bulbapedia.

If May can get two different articles why not Brock? [[Image:Ani254MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|Jmath]][[User talk:Jmath|Talk]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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:That is pretty much the main reason to split the article. Misty's article isn't at this stage yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 13:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

::But that's only because of those freakin' templates and images. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

:::The images and templates are needed for the article. [[Image:Ani254MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|Jmath]][[User talk:Jmath|Talk]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 15:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

::::Thing is... we'd have to change them 04824143194104712 links to Brock, if we did split it.. but then again, editing this page out of the 'edit this page' tab instead of some sections at a time... whoa, that'd be one HUGE code. But it seems just good as one article, but at the same time I think we should spilt it. (Speaking of Brock, I have Art <s>Brock</s>... :c) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Should the issue be put to a vote, similar to the [[James's Cacnea]] issue?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 19:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure that's a good idea. Remember how {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} kept trying to skew the James's Cacnea poll in [[Gardenia]]'s favor? How are we to know similar stunts wouldn't happen in this case? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::Because Shiny Noctowl is blocked for the next week. ;)
::Seriously, coming to a consensus on the talk pages is preferable to creating lots of polls. And the fact that this particular article is too long means that a split is simply necessary so the only question is ''how'' to do it. Sure, there are a lot of links to this page but a bot can help cut down a lot of the work. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's right. Bots. In that case... I say spilt the article.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't split it! There's no need to! If we split this one, does that mean will have to split EVERY SINGLE Pokémon's, move's and character's in the anime section, too??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 21:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Of course not. This article is being split because it is too long. Using this to set that kind of precedent would be completely stupid. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::Indeed, and also, every single Pokémon, move and character aren't notable enough in the anime to have their own articles anyway. The main reason I suggested it for Misty and Brock is because they are highly notable in the anime, with Misty being a main character for ''over 200 episodes'' and Brock being a main character for ''over 400 episodes''. A lot of Pokémon, characters and moves (Eg. [[Lt. Surge]] and {{p|Porygon}}) only appeared in one episode, making their anime anime apperances nowhere near notable enough to have their own seperate articles. [[User:Sato|Sato]] 10:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:Then split it shall be. But...I don't have the power for that. I didn't even realise there was san argument about this. My Reasons:
# Yes, Brock (the article) is too large.
# The rest are more or less like the other's reasons.
# Lastly, it's Payback to Ryguy for calling me Opitmus and not doing anything about it...
 Haha, yes...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 11:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC) So which bot?
::Isn't there some sort of thing that explains just what the warning means by "some browsers"? I've never had a problem editing a page, even when it's approaching 60, even. Sure, I use the most updated version of Firefox... far as I know, all it'd mean is portable ones. The Wii's, the DS's, a mobile one... well, how many people browse wikis on those with the intention of editing them...? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think the article should be split. The Brock in the anime is the same Brock who is in the video games. The same goes for Misty. The articles are great the way they are, they don't need to be split! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Taromon777..... you are way off schedule.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I think the trivia section is too long. How can we make it a bit shorter? [[User:Seritinajii|Seritinajii]]
:By integrating the information into the text, though the nature of trivia doesn't make that a preferable move for most of it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 01:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Some of it can be - the part about how he can identify people posing as women could be added in his character description as a skill and the part about his bedroom doesn't really seem like trivia. There's also quite a lot about the types of Pokémon he owns - maybe it can be limited to saying he owns an equal amount of rock, poison, steel, and water pokémon with a short description afterwards. It should also probably be stated that he has more ground type Pokémon than any other type. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 23:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== umm... Guys... ==

Ok, I have to point out something about this article.

I mean, not that I want these tidbits erased, but when I edited the Anime section of the [[Misty]] article to include the Cast change controversy, They edited my post just because I referenced what I thought the Misty fanbase. One person, PDL even thought initially that it was a violation of the neutral viewpoint of this wiki. I mean, I tried to add in a perspective as to why the Misty fans would want her back, but you guys said it was a violation of Neutrality, despite the mere fact that in my original draft I ALSO mentioned some reasons as to why some fans wanted Misty to be permanently removed.

Now what does this have to do with the [[Brock]] article? Simple, it's because this article also seems guilty of this as well and yet no one seemed bothered with it (as I said, I personally don't want it to be deleted, but it is a disturbing point to be brought up.). I mean, from the character bio for Brock:

"His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]"

and, though maybe to a lesser extent, take a look at the History section:

"Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B]"

See what I mean? I mean, the history part is debatable since it at least offers two perspectives, but the former, there's definitely no excuse for this. I mean, it only offers one perspective. I mean, I couldn't add in a mention to the cast change controversy in regards to Misty without it being edited for supposed "Bias" and "Violation of Neutrality", and yet, People, even people like PDL, aren't doing a thing in regards to this despite the fact that This ALSO deals with a violation of Neutrality (probably even MORESO than the edit I made)? I mean, I think it's hypocritical to do it to Misty's article, and yet not do it to Brock's article.

Anyway's, That's all for now.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

P.S. PDL, I did this, as promised on the talk page of Misty's article.

: You just love taking up space, don't you? Shut up about the Misty thing, that argument is OVER and there's no need to bring it up again.
:As to this page, the second example looks fine to me. As to the first... let me do a trim. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

== Tauros ==

I, personally, think it should go under "Returned" because he ''did'' catch it and he ''did'' RETURN it to Ash! [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']][[Image:Cal.png|30px 30px]] 17:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:How about GAVE AWAY? Or maybe just TEMPORARY. The thing is, he never actually had it for any amount of time, so it's difficult to place. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png]] 17:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well hr didn't really own it. All he did was catch it with Ash's PokéBall. I think it's fine how it is. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

==15?==

Were was it ever stated he was in-fact 15? -[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 05:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:Extra material released in Japan outside the actual show. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

==Befriended==
I was looking at Brock's page and saw that the Ninetales in [[EP232|Just Waiting On A Friend ]] is considered to be befriended by Brock and useing that logic, I think it might be worth adding the young Stantler form [[EP125|"The Little Big Horn"]], the Sharpedo he nursed back to health in [[AG019|"Sharpedo Attack!"]], and the Nuzleaf that got separated from it's coloney in [[DP014|"Leave It To Brocko!"]] --[[User:Riot464]] 2:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:Truthfully, I don't think Ninetales is that notable let alone those Pokémon. And Nuzleaf? The Nuzleaf seemed more friendlier with Brock's Sudowoodo than Brock himself. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:: "Befriended" sections do seem to be the bastard step-child's around here. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Brock is a Pokémon breeder. It's his ''job'' to bond with various Pokémon. That doesn't mean he owns them in any way. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== Little Big Horn Stantler ==

Should we include it?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Were not allowed to include befriened Pokémon, EXCEPT for [[Max]]. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Japanese motto? ==

So why is it that the one Kanto Gym Leader that has been identified as having a Featured Article is the only one who doesn't have his Japanese motto present in the trivia section? Every other Kanto Gym Leader has it there, at the top of the list. I would think that this would be the FIRST Gym Leader to have their Japanese motto present, not the LAST. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Stadium/2 pictures ==

Any way we could get a cleaner shot? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

:I'll try. I know the pictures aren't the best quality, but I thought it would be nice rather than using their FR/LG sprites. I'll see if I can get a better shot. If not, there's always PhotoShop. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 06:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::[http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89/iimarckus/bulba/stadium/1_brock.png Cleaner version] (unsure how to upload). More leaders in progress. It requires playing all the way through Stadium though, so don’t expect them right away… [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 07:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::I uploaded it, thanks. Just click "Upload File" on the toolbox on the left. ;) [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 03:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Rhyhorn ==

Apparently, according to Pokebeach, Brock will trade a Rhyhorn with Thunder Fang in exchange for a Sudowoodo.

''Brock gives you a Rhyhorn that knows Thunder Fang if you trade him a Bonsly. Brock: "Hey, (Trainer)! Have you ever seen a Pokemon called Bonsly? It appears you have to hatch it from an egg, so it isn’t seen very often. If you have a Sudowoodo, will you trade it for my Rhyhorn? Yeah! Let’s trade! Thank you! I really wanted a Bonsly! About the Rhyhorn I gave you. I raised it from an egg, and it knows Thunder Fang. It can even defeat Water-type Pokemon. Take good care of it!"'' [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

== trivia? ==

his parents are rock- and water-type trainers and half his rematch team is part water. Also, while he does live in an area close to a fossil museum, he never expresses much interest in them. Yet 4 of his 6 pokémon are considered ancient (relicanth being the only non-fossil) [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 18:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Whitney

2009-09-15T11:35:34Z

Kanjo: /* In the games */ better

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Whitney |
jname=アカネ |
tmname=Akane |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="The Incredibly Pretty Girl" |
image=[[File:HGSS_Whitney_Art.png|150px]] |
caption=Art from HeartGold and SoulSilver |
age=yes |
years=16 (estimated by Pokeani) |
gender=Female |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown{{tt|*|Generation II and anime}}, Pink{{tt|*|Generation IV}}|
hair=Pink|
hometown=[[Goldenrod City]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives=[[Milton]] (uncle, anime) |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold]], [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver]], [[Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal]], {{g|Stadium 2}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]] |
leader=yes |
gym=Goldenrod Gym |
type={{t|Normal}} |
badge=Plain Badge |
elite=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=EP158 |
epname=A Goldenrod Opportunity |
enva=[[Megan Hollingshead]] |
java=Yuko Miyamura |
}}

'''Whitney''' (Japanese: '''アカネ''' ''Akane'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Goldenrod City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Goldenrod Gym]]. She hands out the {{badge|Plain}} to {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat her. She is a young woman who uses {{type2|Normal}} [[Pokémon]].

==In the games==
[[Image:Whitney.jpg|140px|thumb|left|Headshot of Whitney from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}]]
Whitney's title is "The Incredibly Pretty Girl!".

Although she only began battling a little while ago, Whitney's talent attracted the [[Pokémon League]] to choose her as a Gym Leader. Her gym is filled with other young girls like herself, who use cute Normal-type Pokémon like {{p|Meowth}}. Her gym is shaped like a Clefairy.

Whitney doesn't like Trainers who are too serious in battle. When Whitney's defeated, she throws a temper tantrum and cries, but after drying her eyes and blowing her nose she will get over her loss and give the player the badge.

After winning the Plain Badge, Whitney gives out {{TM|45|Attract}}. Whitney says that Attract is perfect for a cutie like her, because it makes full use of a Pokémon's cuteness.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} Whitney can to be found in the [[Radio Tower]] complaining about not being able to win a radio card for her Poké Gear. The player needs to win a Radio card to make her give up and return to the gym.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Whitney's Pokémon in the video games she has appeared in.

===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWhitney.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2000
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=035
|pokemon=Clefairy
|gender=female
|level=18
|type1=Normal
|move1=Encore
|move1type=Normal
|move2=DoubleSlap
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Mimic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Metronome
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=20
|type1=Normal
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Attract
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Milk Drink
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rollout
|move4type=Rock}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====

=====First Battle=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|sprite=WhitneyHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2280
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=035
|pokemon=Clefairy
|gender=female
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Normal
|move1=Mimic|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Metronome|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=DoubleSlap|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Encore|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
|ability=Cute Charm
|level=17
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Normal
|held=Lum Berry
|move1=Stomp|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Milk Drink|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Attract|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
|ability=Scrappy
|level=19
}}
}}

=====Second battle (Rematch)=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|sprite=WhitneyHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}????
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Fighting Dojo]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=400
|pokemon=Bibarel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Water
|ability=Unknown
|level=54
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=463
|pokemon=Lickilicky
|game=Platinum
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=50
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=52
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=203
|pokemon=Girafarig
|game=HeartGold
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Unknown
|level=52
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=301
|pokemon=Delcatty
|game=Platinum
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=54
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|game=HeartGold
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=58
}}
}}

====[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Whitney.png
|prize=None
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game=Round 1
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=PRZCureBerry
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Bide
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Mint Berry
|move1=DoubleSlap
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Fire Blast
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=040
|pokemon=Wigglytuff
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=PSNCureBerry
|move1=Double-Edge
|move1type=Normal
|move2=ThunderPunch
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Ice Punch
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=044
|pokemon=Gloom
|level=50
|gender=female
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|held=Bitter Berry
|move1=Petal Dance
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Sludge Bomb
|move2type=Poison
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Giga Drain
|move4type=Grass}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=085
|pokemon=Dodrio
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|held=Burnt Berry
|move1=Drill Peck
|move1type=Flying
|move2=Fury Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Tri Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Sleep Talk
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=234
|pokemon=Stantler
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Ice Berry
|move1=Take Down
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Headbutt
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psychic
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Swift
|move4type=Normal}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Whitney.png
|prize=None
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game=Round 2
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=King's Rock
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Reversal
|move2type=Fighting
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Milk Drink
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=053
|pokemon=Persian
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Rage
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Thunderbolt
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Shadow Ball
|move4type=Ghost}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=055
|pokemon=Golduck
|level=50
|type1=Water
|held=Bright Powder
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Ice Beam
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Cross Chop
|move4type=Fighting}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=122
|pokemon=Mr. Mime
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|held=Miracle Berry
|move1=Psychic
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Meditate
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Baton Pass
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Double Team
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=128
|pokemon=Tauros
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Focus Band
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Iron Tail
|move2type=Steel
|move3=Scary Face
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=232
|pokemon=Donphan
|level=50
|type1=Ground
|held=Quick Claw
|move1=Flail
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Double-Edge
|move3type=Normal
|move4=AncientPower
|move4type=Rock}}
}}

===Quotes===
''"Hi! I'm Whitney! Everyone was into Pokémon, so I got into it too! Pokémon are super-cute! You want to battle? I'm warning you--I'm good!"''

''"Sob... ...Waaaaaaah! You're mean! You shouldn't be so serious! You...you child, you! Waaaaah! Waaaaah! Snivel, hic...You meanie!"''

''"...Sniff... What? What do you want? A badge? Oh, right. I forgot. Here's Plain Badge."''

==In the anime==
[[Image:Whitney Theme Song.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Whitney and [[Whitney's Miltank|her Miltank]] in ''[[Born to Be a Winner]]''.]]
Whitney appeared in the episodes ''[[EP158|A Goldenrod Opportunity]]'' and ''[[EP159|A Dairy Tale Ending]]''.

Whitney is a sweet but ditzy young lady. She easily gets lost in her own home town.

{{Ash}} challenged her to a Gym match, but was unable to stop her {{p|Miltank}}, who constantly used {{m|Rollout}} to deflect attacks.

After his defeat, Whitney invited Ash to her Uncle [[Milton]]'s dairy farm, where many Miltank were raised to produce milk for consumption.

Ash, [[Brock]], and [[Misty]] spent the day taking care of the dairy's many Miltank.

After Ash stopped a barrel-shaped robot piloted by [[Team Rocket]], he came up with a strategy to defeat Miltank. He used {{AP|Totodile}} and {{AP|Cyndaquil}} to slow it down, then had {{AP|Pikachu}} knock it out. With that, Ash won the Plain Badge.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Whitney's known Pokémon in the Pokémon anime.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:035.png]] {{p|Clefairy}}
| align=center | [[Image:030.png]] {{p|Nidorina}}
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{TP|Whitney|Miltank}}
|}

===Voice actors===
* '''Japanese'''
** 宮村優子 ''Yuko Miyamura''

* '''English'''
** [[Megan Hollingshead]]

* '''Brazilian'''
** [[Fernanda Bulara]]

* '''Spanish'''
** Cristina Yuste (Spain)

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[File:Chuck and Whitney.png|thumb|250px|Whitney and her Miltank (bottom) with Chuck and his Hitmontop (left)]]
In [[Pokémon Special]], Whitney is an actress. She is also good friends with [[DJ Mary]].

She met {{Special|Gold}} while performing at the [[Johto Radio Tower|Radio Tower]] in Goldenrod City. The two clashed and ended up competing against each other in a bike race.

Whitney isn't a strong Gym Leader, according to {{p|Suicune}}. Whitney is the only [[Johto]] Gym Leader, besides [[Pryce]], that Suicune didn't challenge for a right to be its partner in the fight against the [[Mask of Ice]].

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Whitney's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{p|Miltank}} "Mil Mil"
| align=center | [[Image:173.png]] {{p|Cleffa}} "Fafa"
| align=center | [[Image:174.png]] {{p|Igglybuff}} "Buff Buff"
|}

====Released====

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=150px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center |[[Image:235.png]] {{p|Smeargle}} (Given to DJ Mary)
|}

==In the Golden Boys manga==

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Whitney's Pokémon in the Golden Boys manga.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{p|Miltank}}
| align=center | [[Image:173.png]] {{p|Cleffa}}
| align=center | [[Image:132.png]] {{p|Ditto}}
| align=center | [[Image:240.png]] {{p|Magby}}
|}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Whitney or her Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Clefable|14}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 14/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Wigglytuff|15}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 15/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Persian|16}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 16/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Lickitung|17}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 17/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Furret|18}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 18/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Miltank|19}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 19/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's TM 01|107}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 107/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's TM 02|108}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 108/141
|}

==Trivia==
* Her Japanese Leader title is {{tt|ダイナマイト　プリティ　ギャル！|Dynamite Pretty Gal!}}.
* She is the first Johto Gym Leader encountered that uses a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} in battle, which only half of Johto's Gym Leaders do.
* In [[Generation III]], a Whitney look-alike, along with [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] look-alikes, can be seen as an audience member in a [[Pokémon Contest]].
* In the anime, she is the only Johto Gym Leader to have been defeated by Ash in a rematch, although it also took Ash two battles to defeat Pryce (the first battle was not an official Gym battle).

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| アカネ ''Akane''
| Refers to 茜 ''akane'', a [[wp:Madder|madder]]; or 明るい (''akarui''), bright, luminous.
|-
| English
| Whitney
| It's similar to the word ''white''.
|-
| French
| Blanche
| Literally means ''white''.
|-
| German
| Bianka
| From Italian ''bianco'', white.
|-
| Italian
| Chiara
| From ''chiaro'', light, pale.
|-
| Spanish
| Blanca
| Literally means ''white''.
|-
| Korean
| 꼭두 ''Kkokdu''
| reference to 꼭두서니 ''kkokduseoni'', madder red (as in her Japanese name).
|-
| Chinese
| 小茜 ''Xiǎo Qiàn''
| 茜 is taken from 茜 ''akane''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-akane.html Akane's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{{Gym Leaders of Johto}} 
{{Whitney's Pokémon}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Special characters]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Normal-type trainers]]
[[Category:Female characters]]

[[de:Bianka]]
[[es:Blanca]]
[[fr:Blanche]]
[[ja:アカネ]]

Whitney

2009-09-15T11:34:32Z

Kanjo:

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Whitney |
jname=アカネ |
tmname=Akane |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="The Incredibly Pretty Girl" |
image=[[File:HGSS_Whitney_Art.png|150px]] |
caption=Art from HeartGold and SoulSilver |
age=yes |
years=16 (estimated by Pokeani) |
gender=Female |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown{{tt|*|Generation II and anime}}, Pink{{tt|*|Generation IV}}|
hair=Pink|
hometown=[[Goldenrod City]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives=[[Milton]] (uncle, anime) |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold]], [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver]], [[Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal]], {{g|Stadium 2}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]] |
leader=yes |
gym=Goldenrod Gym |
type={{t|Normal}} |
badge=Plain Badge |
elite=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=EP158 |
epname=A Goldenrod Opportunity |
enva=[[Megan Hollingshead]] |
java=Yuko Miyamura |
}}

'''Whitney''' (Japanese: '''アカネ''' ''Akane'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Goldenrod City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Goldenrod Gym]]. She hands out the {{badge|Plain}} to {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat her. She is a young woman who uses {{type2|Normal}} [[Pokémon]].

==In the games==
[[Image:Whitney.jpg|140px|thumb|left|Headshot of Whitney from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}]]
Whitney's title is "The Incredibly Pretty Girl!".

Although she only began battling a little while ago, Whitney's talent attracted the [[Pokémon League]] to choose her as a Gym Leader. Her gym is filled with other young girls like herself, who use cute Normal-type Pokémon like {{p|Meowth}}. Her gym is shaped like a Clefairy.

Whitney doesn't like Trainers who are too serious in battle. When Whitney's defeated, she throws a temper tantrum and cries, but after drying her eyes and blowing her nose she will get over her loss and give the player the badge.

After winning the Plain Badge, Whitney gives out {{TM|45|Attract}}. Whitney says that Attract is perfect for a cutie like her, because it makes full use of a Pokémon's cuteness.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} Whitney needs to be found in the [[Radio Tower]] complaining about not being able to win a radio card for her Poké Gear. The player needs to win a Radio card to make her give up and return to the gym.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Whitney's Pokémon in the video games she has appeared in.

===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteWhitney.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2000
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=035
|pokemon=Clefairy
|gender=female
|level=18
|type1=Normal
|move1=Encore
|move1type=Normal
|move2=DoubleSlap
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Mimic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Metronome
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=20
|type1=Normal
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Attract
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Milk Drink
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Rollout
|move4type=Rock}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====

=====First Battle=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|sprite=WhitneyHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2280
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=035
|pokemon=Clefairy
|gender=female
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Normal
|move1=Mimic|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Metronome|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=DoubleSlap|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Encore|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
|ability=Cute Charm
|level=17
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Normal
|held=Lum Berry
|move1=Stomp|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Milk Drink|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Attract|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
|ability=Scrappy
|level=19
}}
}}

=====Second battle (Rematch)=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|sprite=WhitneyHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}????
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Fighting Dojo]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=400
|pokemon=Bibarel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Water
|ability=Unknown
|level=54
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=463
|pokemon=Lickilicky
|game=Platinum
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=50
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=52
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=203
|pokemon=Girafarig
|game=HeartGold
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Unknown
|level=52
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=301
|pokemon=Delcatty
|game=Platinum
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=54
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|game=HeartGold
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=58
}}
}}

====[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Whitney.png
|prize=None
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game=Round 1
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=PRZCureBerry
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Bide
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Mint Berry
|move1=DoubleSlap
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Fire Blast
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=040
|pokemon=Wigglytuff
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=PSNCureBerry
|move1=Double-Edge
|move1type=Normal
|move2=ThunderPunch
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Ice Punch
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=044
|pokemon=Gloom
|level=50
|gender=female
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|held=Bitter Berry
|move1=Petal Dance
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Sludge Bomb
|move2type=Poison
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Giga Drain
|move4type=Grass}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=085
|pokemon=Dodrio
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|held=Burnt Berry
|move1=Drill Peck
|move1type=Flying
|move2=Fury Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Tri Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Sleep Talk
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=234
|pokemon=Stantler
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Ice Berry
|move1=Take Down
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Headbutt
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psychic
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Swift
|move4type=Normal}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{normal color}}
|headcolor={{normal color light}}
|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Whitney.png
|prize=None
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Whitney
|game=Round 2
|location=[[Goldenrod Gym]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=241
|pokemon=Miltank
|gender=female
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=King's Rock
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Reversal
|move2type=Fighting
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Milk Drink
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=053
|pokemon=Persian
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Rage
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Thunderbolt
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Shadow Ball
|move4type=Ghost}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=055
|pokemon=Golduck
|level=50
|type1=Water
|held=Bright Powder
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Ice Beam
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Cross Chop
|move4type=Fighting}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=122
|pokemon=Mr. Mime
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|held=Miracle Berry
|move1=Psychic
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Meditate
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Baton Pass
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Double Team
|move4type=Normal}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=128
|pokemon=Tauros
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|held=Focus Band
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Iron Tail
|move2type=Steel
|move3=Scary Face
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=232
|pokemon=Donphan
|level=50
|type1=Ground
|held=Quick Claw
|move1=Flail
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Double-Edge
|move3type=Normal
|move4=AncientPower
|move4type=Rock}}
}}

===Quotes===
''"Hi! I'm Whitney! Everyone was into Pokémon, so I got into it too! Pokémon are super-cute! You want to battle? I'm warning you--I'm good!"''

''"Sob... ...Waaaaaaah! You're mean! You shouldn't be so serious! You...you child, you! Waaaaah! Waaaaah! Snivel, hic...You meanie!"''

''"...Sniff... What? What do you want? A badge? Oh, right. I forgot. Here's Plain Badge."''

==In the anime==
[[Image:Whitney Theme Song.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Whitney and [[Whitney's Miltank|her Miltank]] in ''[[Born to Be a Winner]]''.]]
Whitney appeared in the episodes ''[[EP158|A Goldenrod Opportunity]]'' and ''[[EP159|A Dairy Tale Ending]]''.

Whitney is a sweet but ditzy young lady. She easily gets lost in her own home town.

{{Ash}} challenged her to a Gym match, but was unable to stop her {{p|Miltank}}, who constantly used {{m|Rollout}} to deflect attacks.

After his defeat, Whitney invited Ash to her Uncle [[Milton]]'s dairy farm, where many Miltank were raised to produce milk for consumption.

Ash, [[Brock]], and [[Misty]] spent the day taking care of the dairy's many Miltank.

After Ash stopped a barrel-shaped robot piloted by [[Team Rocket]], he came up with a strategy to defeat Miltank. He used {{AP|Totodile}} and {{AP|Cyndaquil}} to slow it down, then had {{AP|Pikachu}} knock it out. With that, Ash won the Plain Badge.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Whitney's known Pokémon in the Pokémon anime.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:035.png]] {{p|Clefairy}}
| align=center | [[Image:030.png]] {{p|Nidorina}}
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{TP|Whitney|Miltank}}
|}

===Voice actors===
* '''Japanese'''
** 宮村優子 ''Yuko Miyamura''

* '''English'''
** [[Megan Hollingshead]]

* '''Brazilian'''
** [[Fernanda Bulara]]

* '''Spanish'''
** Cristina Yuste (Spain)

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[File:Chuck and Whitney.png|thumb|250px|Whitney and her Miltank (bottom) with Chuck and his Hitmontop (left)]]
In [[Pokémon Special]], Whitney is an actress. She is also good friends with [[DJ Mary]].

She met {{Special|Gold}} while performing at the [[Johto Radio Tower|Radio Tower]] in Goldenrod City. The two clashed and ended up competing against each other in a bike race.

Whitney isn't a strong Gym Leader, according to {{p|Suicune}}. Whitney is the only [[Johto]] Gym Leader, besides [[Pryce]], that Suicune didn't challenge for a right to be its partner in the fight against the [[Mask of Ice]].

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Whitney's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{p|Miltank}} "Mil Mil"
| align=center | [[Image:173.png]] {{p|Cleffa}} "Fafa"
| align=center | [[Image:174.png]] {{p|Igglybuff}} "Buff Buff"
|}

====Released====

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=150px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center |[[Image:235.png]] {{p|Smeargle}} (Given to DJ Mary)
|}

==In the Golden Boys manga==

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Whitney's Pokémon in the Golden Boys manga.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:241.png]] {{p|Miltank}}
| align=center | [[Image:173.png]] {{p|Cleffa}}
| align=center | [[Image:132.png]] {{p|Ditto}}
| align=center | [[Image:240.png]] {{p|Magby}}
|}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Whitney or her Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Clefable|14}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 14/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Wigglytuff|15}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 15/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Persian|16}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 16/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Lickitung|17}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 17/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Furret|18}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 18/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's Miltank|19}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 19/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's TM 01|107}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 107/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Whitney's TM 02|108}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 108/141
|}

==Trivia==
* Her Japanese Leader title is {{tt|ダイナマイト　プリティ　ギャル！|Dynamite Pretty Gal!}}.
* She is the first Johto Gym Leader encountered that uses a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} in battle, which only half of Johto's Gym Leaders do.
* In [[Generation III]], a Whitney look-alike, along with [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] look-alikes, can be seen as an audience member in a [[Pokémon Contest]].
* In the anime, she is the only Johto Gym Leader to have been defeated by Ash in a rematch, although it also took Ash two battles to defeat Pryce (the first battle was not an official Gym battle).

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| アカネ ''Akane''
| Refers to 茜 ''akane'', a [[wp:Madder|madder]]; or 明るい (''akarui''), bright, luminous.
|-
| English
| Whitney
| It's similar to the word ''white''.
|-
| French
| Blanche
| Literally means ''white''.
|-
| German
| Bianka
| From Italian ''bianco'', white.
|-
| Italian
| Chiara
| From ''chiaro'', light, pale.
|-
| Spanish
| Blanca
| Literally means ''white''.
|-
| Korean
| 꼭두 ''Kkokdu''
| reference to 꼭두서니 ''kkokduseoni'', madder red (as in her Japanese name).
|-
| Chinese
| 小茜 ''Xiǎo Qiàn''
| 茜 is taken from 茜 ''akane''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-akane.html Akane's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{{Gym Leaders of Johto}} 
{{Whitney's Pokémon}} 
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Talk:Whitney

2009-09-15T11:31:13Z

Kanjo: /* Accent */ new section

''Whitney says Attract is perfect for a cutie like her, because it makes full use of a Pokémon's Pokémon.'' 
- [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 10:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Take a look at this:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_EwX-OzlQ]. Doesn't the little girl with the pink hair look like Whitney, or is it just me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 10:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Uncle Milton? ==

According to "relatives" box in Whitney's article she has an Uncle Milton. Sounds like fanon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:No, he's in the anime. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 09:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
::Yea, I found a pic of him: [[Image:UncleMilton.JPG|200px]]. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Accent ==

How does she speak in English? Like is she different from most voices? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2009-09-15T11:18:46Z

Kanjo: /* Edit Plz */

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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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| <div style="font-family: Century Gothic, sans-serif;">'''[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator/Archive2|Archive 2]]'''</div>
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| <div style="font-family: Century Gothic, sans-serif;">'''[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator/Archive3|Archive 3]]'''</div>
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| <big><big><big>'''A WILD <big><big>TROM</big></big> APPEARED!'''</big></big></big>
 
My replies will go here, so make sure to be watching this page. If you're a first-time poster here, I'll leave a note on your talk page too. Next archive planned for October 1.... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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== See this ==

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! colspan="2" style="padding-bottom: 1px; -moz-padding-start: 20px; -moz-padding-end: 20px;" | <div style="background: #ccf; border-radius: 15px 15px 0px 0px; -moz-border-radius: 15px 15px 0px 0px; padding: 2px 15px;">Trainer's Pokémon</div>
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| style="background: #e6e6ff; border-radius-topright: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 10px; padding: 2px 10px;" | {{TP|Brock|Onix|Steelix}} ([[Brock]]) • {{TP|Misty|Starmie}} ([[Misty]]) • {{TP|Lt. Surge|Raichu}} ([[Lt. Surge]]) • {{TP|Erika|Gloom}} ([[Erika]]) • {{TP|Koga|Venomoth}} ([[Koga]])/Crobat ([[Janine]]) 
{{TP|Sabrina|Kadabra}}/Alakazam ([[Sabrina]]) • {{TP|Blaine|Magmar}} ([[Blaine]]) • {{TP|Giovanni|Persian}}/Nidoking? ([[Giovanni]])/<?> ({{ga|Blue}}) 
{{TP|Lorelei|Cloyster}} ([[Lorelei]]) • {{TP|Bruno|Onix}}/Machamp ([[Bruno]]) • Gengar ([[Agatha]]) • {{TP|Lance|Dragonite}} ([[Lance]])
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| style="background: #e6e6ff; padding: 2px 10px;" | {{TP|Falkner|Pidgeot}} ([[Falkner]]) • Scyther ([[Bugsy]]) • {{TP|Whitney|Miltank}} ([[Whitney]]) • {{TP|Morty|Gengar}} ([[Morty]]) 
Poliwrath/{{TP|Chuck|Machoke}} ([[Chuck]]) • Steelix ([[Jasmine]]) • {{TP|Pryce|Piloswine}} ([[Pryce]]) • {{TP|Clair|Dragonair}}/Kingdra ([[Clair]]) 
Xatu ([[Will]]) • Umbreon/Murkrow ([[Karen]])
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This is only the first two regions...working on it...how is it? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Is it really necessary? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...debatable for now... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Whoops ==

[[User:MisterE13/Sandbox|Here]], I figured out a little something that will work a little better. Sorry about that and thaks for everuthing.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Some new stuff on there now, got rid of some redirects and added Rotom and Castform clauses. BTW, yes I had made one final mistake on the Infobox which is now fixed in my Sandbox I'm 100% sure it will work now though (and Shaymin's page will be perfect{{tt|.|Muhahaha}})--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Which new stuff am I supposed to install? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Everything, its kind-of scattered in the first two so I suppose you could copy/paste. If that's no good, most of it was just redirect-avoiding (which I do believe is good). Other than that, it was just Rotom, Castform (and a slight Burmy) clauses.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Query: What do the "improvements" actually do? Just sprite altering? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of redirects to [[Forme differences]] are avoided (don't know if that's as important as I think it is), putting in 412 automatically inserts a little "Plant Cloak" (for Burmy), the TM one now allows for Rotom (complete with sprites and "Forme differences" links) and they both allow for Castform (links only, obviously). That's pretty much it I think.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::There are yet more last minute modifications in there now. Thanks for the trouble.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 07:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
As it turns out, I had made a small placement error. All better now :D.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 15:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:There's something new in there now (no moveentries this time, I promise)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 14:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Books ==

Hey Trom, should we start making articles about the Pokémon books? A couple I can name of the top of my head are: Pokémon pop quiz by Carli Entin, and Attack of the prehistoric Pokémon by Tracey West. Actually, could we just make it a project? I could put together a list before you decided if you want. Thanks Trom! -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 03:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, definitely go ahead with that. I wouldn't suggest a full-flown project just yet, but maybe we can organise something more formal once some work has actually been done. Tracey West doesn't even have an article yet, so that may be a good place to start. I've read a few of her novelizations (but don't own any), and recall a bibliography on the back. And of course, the internet may be a good resource as well. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.traceywest.com/biography.html This] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=tracey+west+biography&revid=1279369419&ei=_mZMSvfoCYbyMcvY1PYD&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=4 this] look like a good place to start. I will help with the project if it's created. *wishing I still had all of the books I had by her* --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 07:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that first site looks great! I suppose I'll get started on that article, then. Unless you have already. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I haven't. And of course that first site looks great. It's her official sight. (lol) --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hm. I should get some more sleep. I thought I was talking to the same person then.... D: —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::lol What's this "sleep" of which you speak? It's 2:20 am here and I'm not tired at all. And it has nothing to do with the Pepsi I'm drinking. *should probably shut up now**goes to edit my userpage a ton (but only one recorded edit, no worries) and possibly create a couple book pages* Should we do pages for [http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Pokemon-Pop-Quiz/Carli-Entin/e/9780439154062 the pop quiz book mentioned above], [http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9780816765270-Pokemon+Activity+Book the activity book], [http://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-Pokemon-Tracey-West/dp/0439434408 the how to draw Pokémon book (by Tracey West)], and/or [http://www.amazon.com/Pokemon-Official-Collectors-Sticker-Book/dp/0439106591 the sticker book]? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::How about you try and do the lot? Keep up the quality, though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Okay. They might not be very good, as there isn't much important stuff to write about (I believe). --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks Trom. I can probably get my hands on a couple of the books but will start out with just a list of to-do stuff. Thanks again, and get yourself some sleep! –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 16:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Trom, I made a [[User:MasterKenobi/Project Books/To-do list| To-do list]] and have quite a bit more to add. I think, that I could probably make a project out of this if I get an OK. Here is the first book article, [[Island of the Giant Pokémon (book)]] but, I think to make it look a bit better we could use a template that includes the title, book cover image, pages, publication date, ISBN # (This one I think isn't really needed), and publisher. For the series books though we could make it like the anime or the manga where it links to the book before it and after it. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

Do you know how to link directly to a category on a userpage without it getting included and making it appear? I'm trying to extend list of (non talk) pages I've created on my userpage, but it won't show the category pages. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:{{template|cat}}. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== A Question ==

Three things (not all questions). First, how do you use special characters in the search boxes? Second, one of the pictures on your userpage doesn't display. Third, if there is supposed to be a Haunter pic on this page its not working and just says purplehaunter.png or something like that.--[[User:Swampert rox|Swampert rox]] 16:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:The images are your problem, not mine. They all display for me. Try clearing your browser cache (Ctrl+F5). If, by special characters you mean the e-acute (é) you can either copy-paste from somewhere else, or you can type Alt+130. These can all be found in the character map for Windows. If you're on a Mac, I can't help you with that. There's probably a list on the internet of every special character ever created and the accompanying codes. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::For Mac: The é is option-e-e. I use it all the time. Other symbols can be gotten by other option- combinations. All the letter keys plus have special chars. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 03:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::If you mean Alt + 1 + 3 + 0, it doesn't work. If that's not what you meant, what do I type?--[[User:Swampert rox|Swampert rox]] 21:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I think he means to hold the Alt key and type 130 in that order, not all at once. I've never tried that method, though. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't work (or do anything whatsoever).--[[User:Swampert rox|Swampert rox]] 14:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Then something's up with your computer. I'd love to fix it, but... um.... yeah..... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Alt+0233 can be used as an alternative for the e-acute. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 05:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::You have to use the numberpad to type the numbers, not the row at the top of the keyboard. If you are using a laptop which doesn't have a numberpad then you can buy a usb one quite cheaply, or just cope with the redirects that should have been created. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 05:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Most laptops have an Fn key anyway, which activates keys differently. It's what I use: I gotta hold Fn and Alt and hit jlm. é. Happy daaaaay! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That doesn't work for me either. Is there any alternative way for a laptop?--[[User:Swampert rox|Swampert rox]] 11:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry again ==

Did I apologize for my behavior. I had not realized that I could not make other changes. I do not speak English well and I find it difficult to understand at times. Sorry again for my ignorance. --[[User:Brendon|Brendon]] 8.35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== yukushi wisdom ==
Thanks for your help. Actually, since I don't edit much in Bulbapedia, I was considering canceling my account. That's why I was editing. I didn't realise that I was doing it in my fake name lol but anyways thaks for everything. {{SUBST:User:Uxie wisdom/sig}} 23:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:Accounts can't be canceled, unfortunately. Just go away and never come back :P If you want those subpages you blanked deleted, I can handle that for you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Slight problem ==

Well, it's not really a problem but, Trombony, I might need an option of no image (in which cse we might wanna colspan it). See [[Cissy]] to get what I mean. Many thanks. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 00:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:It shouldn't be too hard to get an image. I'll dig around, watch the episode and get good screenshots. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, of course we can get the image. But the template is gonna be in a much wider use, and we're gonna have a lot of similar cases... But yeah, it's not too bad, just leaves some whitespace. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well I see that that's already fixed, but a few other things (sorry I'm being difficult, but I demand perfection :)), when you get the time: first, there's the subject of nicknamed Pokémon, like [[Ritchie]]'s. I don't want the image caption to read "Ritchie's Sparky", I want it to read "Sparky", and the same for the main article link.
::Second: Apparently I need the number of "="s on the section headers to be changeable. In most articles it should be the way you did it, but in some I need it to be one level lower.
::Last but not least - check what happens if someone clicks the "edit" link in one of the sections... Is that supposed to be like that? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::: *clicks edit* woah! Yeah, not good. We can fix that with a NOEDITSECTION magicword. We can set the image to default as noimage; although imageneeded may be better than a white gap. I'll add an optional parameter such as {{{nick}}}, which should hopefully override the current hovercaption formatting. There can also be optional parameters for lower headings. Can you show me an example of where that would be in place? It won't help the construction of the template; I'm just curious. :P
:::You probably didn't understand a word of that. Probably because I made up most of the terminology. Lol. I doubt I'll catch you on AIM this weekend so I'll either work through it when I have time, or catch up with you later. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, the reason I'm writing to you here is because we keep missing each other on AIM lately, and I figured it's best to let you know... So, here we go:
::::# The way you just canceled the section headers is no good. The reason I wanted section headers is because [[Casey's Elekid]], [[Drew's Absol]], etc, redirect to that specific Pokémon in the template. Get it? So put back the sectionheaders with that nice magicword of yours, please.
::::# Seems like {{u|Sol}} took care of the image thing for now.
::::# The {{{nick}}} parameter sounds great. Do it.
::::# Lower heading would come in case that the character exists in more than one media, AND has Pokémon not on hand. Why? Because then the headings go: <nowiki>==In the anime==, ===Pokémon===, ====On hand====,</nowiki> and just THEN the Pokémon should be. {{Gary}} is the best example I can think of right now.
::::So you see Trombodude, you're underestimating my comprehension skills. I understand you kiwi wiki terminology just fine. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::The problem with the magicword, I later realised, is that it will cancel all section headers for the entire page. I think I may have an idea for the headings, too. I'll experiment, and get back to you later in the week. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Believe it or not Tromizard, but I actually managed to code everything myself ^^; so, no worries. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

* Can you add something to the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|HGSS]] page saying something about the game containing both leafy trees and autumn trees? --[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]] ([[User:PhoenixGraphix#{{ucfirst:Daily (bleh)}}|bl]][[Special:Random|eh]]) 19:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Please be a bit more careful when trying to turn articles into redirects. I had to restore the article on [[Camerupt Point]] you had changed into a redirect because you made it redirect to Camerupt Point, hence causing an infinite redirect loop. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Whoops; it was meant to go to [[Camerupt Mountain]]. Confuzzling :( —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Black Market ==

If the article was full of speculation and all that, then slap a cleanup tag on it instead of deleting it! The Pokémon Black Market is a factual part of the Pokémon universe and thus is worthy of its own article. Could you restore it, please? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They'd be nothing left if all the speculation was removed. All you'd have left to say would be "The Pokémon black market is a black market for Pokémon which was talked about in DPxyz." I don't consider that to be article-worthy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::There's also the fact about Snorunt being worth top dollar on it. Besides, it's not like the speculation in question was baseless. If Glalie was worth as much as or more than Snorunt on the market, the hunter would've just sold his own Glalie, rather than going to the trouble of snatching Snorunt. If Carnivine, Yanmega, Pikachu, Chimchar, or Buneary were worth as much as or more than Snorunt, then the hunter would've tried to take them as well. If anything, that could be confined to a trivia section. Plus, there's [[Dustox Flower Field|much worse]] in the way of stubs. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I didn't say it wasn't baseless; in fact I think they are perfectly reasonable assumptions. However, they remain just that. Perhaps the hunter hadn't realised that he could have sold Glalie, or perhaps he was sentimentally attached to it, or perhaps he just got a thrill from stealing Pokémon. These things are as unknown as the conclusions you have jumped to. If the information about Snorunt isn't mentioned on {{p|Snorunt|this page}} I'd suggest putting them there.
:::And yes, there are millions of stubs out there, and we are doing our best to clean them up (hence "featured stub" on the main page). It'd be great if you could give us a hand. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It's not that I wouldn't love to, it's half the time I find a stub, I usually don't know too much information what that can be added to it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
== Talk archive image ==
See what's in <nowiki></nowiki>'s. Just thought it might be easier for ya.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 01:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Amazing. No more pretend transparent! Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Edit again ==

Sorry, but I missed something with that change in {{template|bulbanews}}. See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Bulbanews&curid=78999&diff=815279&oldid=815276 this]. Thanks. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thanks for blocking I am Missingno. I annoys me so much when people mess up pages, especially an entire page. Anyway, thanks for putting a stop to the vandalism. --[[User:RiverAura|*River*]] [[User_Talk:RiverAura|*Aura*]] 20:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:That's ok. I hadn't planned to pop in today, but I'm glad I did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::I would also like to extend my gratitude for quick action. He also touched both of our userpages. If you want, you can clear my history of the vandalism. Thanks again. By the way, the line I put for "Get off this wiki!" is a pun of Steve Wilkos telling bad guests "Get off my stage!" Just a thought. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 20:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Both done. Thanks to all involved. Now, move along, folks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::: I forgot to mention {{p|Pikachu}} Sorry about that. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 21:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trom old boy, ==

How do you set the size of the table of contents? Places like {{m|Double-Edge}} are getting a bit out of hand.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know if it's possible to do that. You can set your preferences up, however, to autohide all TOCs. It's under Misc. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, yours seemed squished (maybe its just your big purple box). Should I just not write "Gale of Darkness" then?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, it's just been squished. I guess you could put it into an invisible table and set the width there... but that'll just make extend downwards further, which would be worse, IMO. Don't abbreviate the game name too far. Aside from the fact that it takes up my whole screen, there's no huge problem. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::PK, just realized I can take out "Pokémon" #2 :D.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Chuck Norris ==

Username similar, just swapped the first few letters...how about it? Remove or keep? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:Give him a chance, probably just a coinicidence; who wouldn't want to be named after the world's greatest human being?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I heard MediaWiki blocking powers don't work on Chuck Norris. IDK about his fanboys, so let's leave him for now. Don't want to break the server or anything. Chances are he won't do anything. If he does, we can jump him then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::: You guys wouldn't be talking about me, would you? Considering that ht14 posted about 12 minutes after I joined, I would say that's likely. Well, if you are talking about me, don't worry, I'm not a n00b, all I want to do is give back to the website which has helped me so much when playing through the Pokémon games. I'm not new to Wikis either; I'm a member on Wikipedia, and I've even almost entirely rewritten an article there ({{wp|Whirled}}), and edited a few others. [[User:Nuck Chorris|Nuck Chorris]] 04:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

::::I don't see a problem. Use your own judgement on this one, trom, since it's on your TP, but it's clearly not an ''impersonation''. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 04:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Impersonating {{u|Chuck Norris}}? Or {{wp|Chuck Norris}} himself? Is {{u|Chuck Norris}} a high-standing member? If so, I apologize for any apparent impersonation, all I did was I checked to see if I'd already registered here by looking for usernames beginning with "Nuck". Also, Trom, I can say from experience that the banhammer works on me, considering I have felt its wrath on Kingdom of Loathing. Don't worry, it was for taking a controversial debate too far. I doubt the banhammer would work on Chuck Norris himself, though. Even if it did, I woudn't want to try it on him. He'd probably be standing right behind you, in the middle of roundhousing you, even before the banhammer was swung. WATCH OUT FOR HIM!!!! —– [[User:Nuck Chorris|Nuck Chorris]] ([[User talk:Nuck Chorris|talk]]) 05:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

::::::The real one. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I live in fear of him every day. Speaking of which, he's right behind me right now! Holy S***!!! Oh, wait... thats just the back of my chair. Nevermind... False alarm... Anyways, I've got more maps to work on now, so carry on without me. —– [[User:Nuck Chorris|Nuck Chorris]] ([[User talk:Nuck Chorris|talk]]) 05:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Do you removed the image of Twinleaf Town from Platinum.[[User:Mario136|Mario136]] 18:51, 30 July,2009 (UTC)
:Despite the fact that it's from the latest game, it was of a lower quality and had giant arrows on it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Equivalent to Wikipedia's {{wp|Template:Superseded-Image}}? ==

Trom – since you were the one who welcomed me, and you seem to be fairly active and helpful – do you know if Bulbapedia has an equivalent to Wikipedia's {{wp|Template:Superseded-Image}}? I uploaded a higher-quality map for [[Eterna Forest]] ([[a:Image:EternaForest.png]]), but the old one still exists (Image:Eterna Forest.png). On Wikipedia, I know you'd just tag the old image with {{wp|Template:Superseded-Image}}, but as I can't find that or something similar on Bulbapedia or Bulbagarden Archives, I don't know what to do. Any ideas? [[User:Nuck Chorris|Nuck Chorris]] 04:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nah, you'd just mark it for deletion and say in the edit summary that you uploaded a better one. Which image is this? I'll get it for you.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::Haha, just saw you linked it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Thanks! I assume I use <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> to mark it for deletion, right? —– [[User:Nuck Chorris|Nuck Chorris]] ([[User talk:Nuck Chorris|talk]]) 05:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Yep.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Code help ==

Since you've already been so helpful in reducing my signature to nothing more that purple writing, I should ask how you get a coloured background on your userpage :P thanks in advance --[[User:Dragon Master|'''Dragon]]''' [[User talk:Dragon Master|'''Master]]''' 12:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dragon_Master&diff=prev&oldid=822131 Replied] on your talk page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Re:Signature ==
thanks! it works now!--[[User:Rotom45|Rotom]][[User Talk:Rotom45|Let me get the lawnmower!]] 01:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rotom45&diff=prev&oldid=822132 Replied] on your talk page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

dont worry. i'll follow Bulbapedia's rules and respect it's policy!--[[User:Rotom45|Rotom]][[User Talk:Rotom45|Let me get the lawnmower!]] 02:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

Since I'm not very good at coding, I thought I could give you an idea; the big list of moves on the [[List of moves|List of moves article]] could possibly be reconstructed on the [[Contest category| Contest category article]], but with only move name and contest type (without power, accuracy, fughting type, etc.) Do you think that is a good idea and would you be able to do that/find someone to do that? If not I can have a go, but as I say, I'm not very knowledgable in that area. Thanks --[[User:Dragon Master|'''Dragon]]'''[[User talk:Dragon Master|'''Master]]''' 09:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:I've been working on compiling a list similar to the one near the bottom of, say {{t|Rock|this page}}, for contests. It's largely incomplete and in [[User:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/Hell|a sandbox]]. This is largely a copy-and-paste job from the moves' individual articles designed to tidy up articles like [[Cool Contest]], so feel free to chip in if you want. I haven't touched it for about half a year... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Undoing my changes. ==

I was wondering why some Pokémon pages auto-forward, and some don't. Help?
--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 03:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:We call it ''redirecting''. If a Pokémon exists in another media, typically the anime (e.g. [[Ash's Pikachu]]) or manga (e.g. [[Poochyena (CCP)]]), the page doesn't redirect and serves as a ''disambiguation''. This is done because if someone searches for, say, Bulbasaur, they may be looking for {{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}}, {{OP|May|Bulbasaur}}, [[Saur|one from the manga]], or simply the {{p|Bulbasaur|species}}. Think of it as kind of a signpost. Not all Pokémon are special enough though (e.g. [[Paras]]), so they don't have the disambiguation page as searchers will clearly be looking for the article about the species. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so how, and thus where, do we all draw the line? Also, why not just include a link at the top of the pokémon page for something like that?--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 03:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Generally if a Trainer's Pokémon has an article, the Pokémon page gets disambiguated. This is our system, and this is how it's worked for a couple of years. There was a poll about this less than two years ago, when the users had the chance to vote about this. For [[Bulbapedia talk:Disambiguation poll|many reasons]], this is what we came up with. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::That is an argument that has gone on since the beginning. It was decided that changing it would upset more people than it does keeping it the same. It would also make soooo many things much harder. It is something that is set in stone, and will never change. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hokay. Thanks. I just kind of figured that there would have been more support for it to be the other way around, as in more game centric.--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 03:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Brendan ==

Holy crap man... you just helped more than you know, doing those party templates. I was gonna try to get them done in the next few days, and you just made my life easier. I know that you didn't make any mistakes other than that one getting the Pokémon mixed up, but I'm gonna go over it once more tomorrow just for yucks. Seriously though, thanks. x-x '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there was something wrong, it'll have been wrong on May's page too. It was a direct copy-paste. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::Crappit. *checks May* Yeah... oh well. Fixed now. Still, thanks for that. Oops. And I forgot, Brendan has a slightly different team than May. I'll change that too... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Different? Really? How odd. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Don't worry about it. I shoulda caught it last night, but I had just gotten home from the airport a few hours earlier. That's my fault, not yours. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== ABC ==

Sorry about all this constantly running-ideas-by-you thing, but I just dont yet feel its my place to go changing Bulbapedia without guidance. Anyway, do you think the list on [[List of game characters|this page]] should be alphebatised? If so, let me know on [[User talk:Dragon Master| my talk page]] and I'll get right on to it...Thanks--[[User:Dragon Master|'''Dragon]]'''[[User talk:Dragon Master|'''Master]]''' 07:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's already. I enjoy being able to help. The answer is "Nope". It appears to be on an importance-first basis. It's fine as is. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::I've got one, mostly for my education. Would this question have been better placed on the Talk tab of said page?--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 10:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, yeah, if you wanna get all literal on me... :P --[[User:Dragon Master|'''Dragon]]'''[[User talk:Dragon Master|'''Master]]''' 12:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, now I look and think about it, the more it seems like the list is in order of which comes first and when you meet them etc. --[[User:Dragon Master|'''Dragon]]'''[[User talk:Dragon Master|'''Master]]''' 12:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::FCTW: That's the way talk pages are meant to function. However, an article that obscure may not get noticed. I personally have no problem with people bringing things up on my talk page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::Got it, thank you. {{unsigned|FromCrimsonToWool}}

==Shinx Comment==
I was trying to see if anyone thought it was interesting enough to put in trivia, not chatting it up. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 16:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Either way, X looks like Y trivia is an opinion. That kind of thing isn't allowed, because two people may see things differently. We try and be objective. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Could have explained that earlier instead of just taking it out. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 22:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::That's how things get done here. Unacceptable comments are removed, to prevent people abusing the talk page for discussion about the subject of the article, rather than its content. This is all explained in that lovely green welcome on the top of your usertalk page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah I read that; thanks anyway. Too bad we just had a different definition of "unacceptable" at that point in time. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 01:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Template ==

I've created a template {{template|HeldItems}}. I need work on a parser, the Gen I one. After that, we can all insert the stuff accordingly. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:Once that's done, I'll organize the held items according to items (category). [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Final thing. I also need another section for Pokemon with 2 possible held items. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry Trombonator, I couldn't sleep and felt the need to handle this one (with a little help from {{u|TTEchidna|a certain echidna}}). {{unsigned|MisterE13}}
::::Sigh... clearly you guys totally missed the fact that I'd already created one... template:held item... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ironic how I even posted on that template talk page... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::And in its section on my third talk archive. Seeing as it's apparently nicer, I've unprotected it to allow you to make any changes you wish. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Cool....Gen II has weird percentages though...8%...I dunno how to handle that... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Are they standard, or different per Pokémon? If they are the same we can have it set up to use the tt template. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Seems to be different unfortunately...Sacred Ash/Leftovers for instance for Ho-oh/Snorlax. 100%. Speaking of which...Numel and Vulpix are 100% also...so scratch that. That method isn't that great... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::There is a clause in there for 100%. Or, at least, I had one drafted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Oh. Did you see the ones where I used the template? As of now though, just protect it. I'm not the greatest with tables... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::I've actually been doing some work on ht's. Unfotunately, I think third versions can be different than the other two. Should we seperate?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Umm...not only that...Elekid and Magby...though minor problem. More major issue may be images and redirects...Stardust... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Images should all have standard filenames. If you spot any more that aren't, let me know. The D/P mismatch could potentially be solved with a footer. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Right...Nugget? Also...berries...most of the held items are berries. With the format right now...t's not linking to it... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yes, nuggets and berries are now named correctly. The correct filename is File:Bag Name Sprite.png. I like what MisterE13 did with the itemtype. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry and thanks...Soft Sand...Poison Barb...type-enhancing items...all right. Just protect it...I can't take this right now... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::They got done a while ago. I've decided to leave it open. MisterE or tc may want to play. If anyone else wants to take a stab, be my guest. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Right. One last thing. Can you categorize the Template:Held item/100 as {{cat|Pokémon with wild held items}}. Thanks for everything. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::Way ahead of you there. :P —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::XD Problem...as I was saying before...Sentret...Berry leads to Berries, which is what we're not talking about here... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Last thing. GSC didn't have sprites... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just finished fixing. Actually, I'm doing a lot of work on it right now so you might want to wait a bit before asking fo anything else :).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::OK. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: *hopes it's not too late* Shards. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Yellow and Red are fine but the others were uploaded in .gif format. If you can fix that (you were the original uploader, after all), tag the old ones with {{template|delete}} and replace the links. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Done. So it'll be <nowiki>[[Image:Bag_<color>_Shard_Sprite.png]]</nowiki>. Unless you want to move it and make it simpler that is... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I've started a three step plan I conceived last night to perfect this template. I just need to know if there are any version-exclusives other than the Light Ball in Gen I, the Soul Dew in Gen III, and the Magmarizer/Electrizer in Gen IV? This would include any item with different rates or found on a different Pokémon.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::I would think that's it. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's done you know, does anyone need a walkthrough?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I can probably figure it out. If you haven't, though, you should post it noincluded on the template page so when we are dead and gone and the fourteenth generation is being released, the Bulbapedians of the future can figure it out. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::LOL to that. If the world lasts that long anyway... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== News Page discussion ==

Hey trom, I made a comment here (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Many_features_to_return_to_HeartGold,_SoulSilver) about the latest news from CoroCoro magazine when you get a chance. Provided a bit of translation to clear up any speculation/confusion. :)

Also, how the hell do you sign comments on here. :| {{unsigned|Gimmetokyo}}

:Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Either type them, or use the thing under the text box. Both of them work. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== I am sorry! ==

I won't do it again. But I get back soon.--[[User:Pokelover195|Pokelover195]] 20:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:{{wp|Little Britain|Computer says no}}. You abused our trust. You have to earn it back. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I agree. --[[User:Pokelover195|Pokelover195]] 23:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hey Trom! ==

Did you have a sandbox. or not on your userpage. Because I want to check out user's Sandbox. --[[User:Pokelover195|Pokelover195]] 21:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)-
:Nope. To be honest, you don't need one; you are currently unable to edit any pages in the userspace (that is to say, any page prefixed by <code>User:</code>). In any regard, a sandbox is just a testing area. People have different things in them depending on what they are working on. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Random thing ==

For berries on the actual berries page, should we leave it the way it is or use sprites from [http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/rsberryspr.html here]? It's for consistency with the e-Reader berries. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Ask the {{u|RexRacer|Project Leader}}. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

==*space reserved for Arceus99*==
Hey Dark Lord i didn't delete ur page or anything it must have been my younger brother he seems to hack into my account easily
anyway i apologize -Arceus99
:guys belive me i dint edit ur page my brothers a computer geek
Arceus99
::I suggest you get a password he can't guess then. If we see you removing stuff again, the account will be blocked, regardless of who did it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

ok-arceus99

== Arceus and the Jewel of Life ==

Just because you're a sysop doesn't mean you can disregard the rules and revert confirmed and relevant edits. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 22:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't disregarded any rules. The page was undergoing an edit war, and as per our procedures it has been left at its original state. As you are no doubt aware there is a discussion on the talk page. This was going on before you jumped in, and is still now. The rename will take place once an outcome has been established. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cause you getting on AIM would be pointless... ==

If we tie again, does this mean I can revert you? Or can't I since you're basically above me in the power rank? Oh, and I need to ask you something as well. Can you roundy-ify the CharacterInfoBox stuff please? There's a lot to it and you're the only one who I'd ask to do it because I like making you work and I can't really touch the stuff, and cause I don't know how to round-ify stuff...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:You're right, it would be. You can revert if you want to. I thought about it, but didn't want to fill up the newbie's inbox. What kind of color scheme you looking at? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I was actually kinda particular for a categorization thing going. Like 4 colors, one for each generation, which also categorizes them by the color into generation, ie Mr. Stone having a red color and having all red color ones categorized into Gen 3 characters. However, if it isn't possible to do that, just make them all how they were and just roundy-ify them, please. :D. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::We can do that! Just name the color schemes. The only problem atm is that anime and manga use the same template. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Hm...Well, that might be a problem...Uh...if anything I'd like them of course to be "color name" color light, but I'd go with yellow, crystal, emerald and platinum perhaps for respective generational debut...If not, tell me which ones would be a problem...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Diamond ==

What!? You didnt complete the national dex in diamond!? I have pearl,diamond,and platinum and i completed the pokedex without transfering! I am a 10 year old boy and ur 18!-Arceus99
:Anyone else like to point out that I'm a failure in life, or are we done here? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Shaker ==

Could you delete it from [[List of key items in Generation IV]]? It's confirmed that it is NOT an item, but rather an overworld tool like Berry Blender or Poffin Mixer. Having it listed as item is completely irrelevant. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers, Maxim. If it hasn't been taken off already I'll get it now. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

sorry

== Apricorn Table ==

Hello Trom. I fixed the table as you asked, fixed the border, labeled the table like the old one, and added the Japanese Apricorn names. The only thing I did not do was redo the image labels as TTE said,"Remove the image links and die...". So if you want them changed as someone else did to the other table (I do not know if it was authorized) so I just left them. If you need anything else done to it just ask. ([[Talk:Apricorn|Table still on talk page]]) also I will not replace the table until you tell me to, or you can just do it. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for your effort, Master K. I see someone did have a deathwish, so I've put it on the page. Again, thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::No problem at all. Thanks for the suggestions. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 23:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Something I want you to check out... ==

Yo Tromski, I know you got about a gazillion stuff to do already (including the {{{nick}}} parameter to our lovely template), but I need you to take a look at [[User:ElectAbuzzzz/Sandbox|this]]. I did my best so far but I'll need help with the moves tables. If you can, go on AIM. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

==Proposition==
What do you think about deleting the users who haven't made any contributions? Would that make a difference of the size of Bulbapedia? At least we can warn them to contribute or be blocked. I took a look at the new users since 2006 and saw that most didn't make contributions... then I saw BULBABOT's contributions and stopped soon after it. Would this make any difference whatsoever? Or should we keep them all to show how many users we have? Just a thought, but think about it. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 23:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Accounts can't be deleted. End of story. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Really? no acceptions? seems kind of a waste of space. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 23:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::People create accounts for various reasons. Some people register to secure their wellknown username from other sites to prevent people impersonating them. Some people register to avoid seeing the ads while they browse. Some people register to create fake pages and disrupt the creation of the encyclopedia. Everyone has different intentions for signing up, and with the exception of <s>dickheads</s> vandals, we shouldn't penalize anyone. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks for clearing up my ignorance of other stuff on Bulbapedia. I didn't even think of some of those things. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 23:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks==
I am AuraGaurdian. Thanks for your advice, Trom. I'll remember to leave a timestamp from now on.--[[User:AuraGaurdian|AuraGaurdian]] 23:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

==AIM==
I'm on, now--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

==Friend Code==

Hey darklord do u have wifi on diamond i thought we could do a wifi battle using my platinum and ur diamond-Arceus99★☆★♪
:Nope. I don't. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh its ok!-Arceus99

== Thanks for the "In other languages" part ==

I forgot to add the lines so thanks.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 03:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

==Solidad==
hey man just wondering why you deleted my page on solidad's slowbro everything on there was true slowbro appeared in more than 1 episode it was in three i would say slowbro and evan lapras could be said to be solidads signiture pokemon so i dont see why her pokemon can't have a page
[[User:solidadrox|'''solidadrox''']][[User talk:solidadrox|'''''']][[Special:Contributions/solidadrox|'''''']]
:This has been explained on your talk page, but I'll put it here anyway. Bulbapedia has devloped a notability policy to discourage short low-quality articles. You probably posted here before you saw what Kenji-girl wrote on your talk page, but if you follow the link she provided you'll see the table listing for [[Drew]]'s Pokémon that haven't done enough. See, it doesn't come down to the number of appearances, or the number of battles they won. Plot and character devlopment are very important here. I hope I've made this clear. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== I'm Sorry! ==

I should've known. Next time I will make sure to not use names like "you". That means I'll use "the player" then.
--[[User:Naoy5|Naoy5]] 17:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nothing to be sorry about. It's just a learning curve. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== What are we to make of these? ==

{{ms|351S}}{{ms|351R}}{{ms|351H}} Although rather well made, they're certainly unofficial. They would go well in certain tables though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 09:09, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:If you haven't done so already, ask the Echidna. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::His page is protected. That's why I came here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:59, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for fixing up my mistakes! The TRsRockin page is still a work-in progress. I posted what i had because i had to get off the computer, and it was MOSTLY done. Lol. I'll be adding to it sometime tomorrow. :3 Thanks for fixing it up for me. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== New user archiving already... ==

Hey Trom I was floating around and found that a new user, [[User:Thatguywiththecodes|Thatguywiththecodes]], already archived there talk page: [[User_talk:Thatguywiththecodes/Archive_1|Archived stuff]]. Additionally they removed the welcome message when they have already been told to leave it... If you need any assistance just let me know. ;) -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 01:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:i have "taken care" of this issue. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks Magnedeth. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I threw away my welcome as soon as I could. Although, that was back when it was a wall of text. And a small wall of that. I like what you did there, Mister Deth :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hi, about talk page archiving. ==

When do I know when it is time to archive my page? Oh do you know how to make one of those HP bars for a talk page? I'm trying to figure it out but had no luck.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:Ask TTE or someone. As for Archiving, it is the user choice to Archive his/her talkpage.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::Some users archive when they've received enough hate mail to feel uncomfortable when they look at it. Some users archive at a particular size. I archive every three months. I don't care how big it gets, that's when it happens. It really is up to you. To make a talk page bar, go to someone else's page, steal their code, work out what it does (in SHOW PREVIEW mode so we don't see you screwing around and think you're a genius on the first save), and edit to suit your own style. That's the best way to figure out how some of the complicated wikimarkup works. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page ==

Hello Trom, do you mind if I use a similar table to your for my talk page. I will give you credit, and it will be quite a bit different. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 21:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:Go for your life. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. That kinda sounds bad though :O –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 21:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Done with it if you want to take a look at my talkpage. Thanks again Trom! –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

==Space reserved for WeedleMaster==
Thanks!

I haven't been here long so I will try to work on my spelling.

[[User: WeedleMaster]]
:You can sign properly, too, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of each comment. This automatically puts your name and a timestamp at the end of the comment, and is the correct way to sign on any wiki. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sweet!

[[User:WeedleMaster|WeedleMaster]] 21:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Dude you got issues. ==

I can reply to a message that are nearly 1 year old if i want to.So why go out of your way to tell me otherwise.Im still having trouble with viewing the photo's on the indigo league episode page.So i reported to the talk page to inform others that i too have had problems with viewing photos on that page.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 10:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Damn straight I have issues. I'm just telling you that the discussions there are quite often out of date. If you're having issues too you could either wait three years so I can finish my Psychology degree, or start a new section at the bottom of the page where you're more likely to get a relevant reply. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
::Beside, it's kinda stupid to reply to an out of date conversation when the problem has either been resolved or forgotten.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Appolgy acepted Trom.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 12:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:It isn't an apology if you edit my comment to put it in. The edit history tells all, Solid. Let that be a lesson to you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks for telling me how to sign! ==

lol, I'm not sure if this is the right page for messages or whatever...

Sorry if my use of phrases like, "Wtf" are against the rules. I just couldn't stand anymore seeing misleading information on this site. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 19:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, messages go here. A lot of people here actually reply on their own talk pages when people leave them messages (this helps keep the conversation together), but it's up to you. There isn't anything wrong with saying "wtf". If you haven't read our {{bp|code of conduct}}, it pretty much describes how you ought to interact with other editors. You're doing a great job so far. Keep it up! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'd like to ask another question: I tried uploading the correct Platinum Mareep sprite (179.png), however on Mareep's page, the D/P sprite is still displayed under "Platinum Sprites". So then I uploaded a Spr_4p_179.png, but the sprite still displayed is the D/P sprite under "Platinum Sprites". Do you know how to fix that? (Oh, and about that blanked page, that was an accident, sorry, I was trying to fix the sprite)[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:It isn't automatic. The data has to be transferred from one server to another. Just give it a bit of time. And, yes, the upload did work the first time. Sometimes the old data is 'cached' and the new image doesn't display. About blanking the page... well, that was bad no matter what you were trying to do. At least replacing it with a description of what the image was would have sufficed. Now that you have your Archives Welcome things should hopefully be easier for you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Team Rocket Sprite ==
I just wanted to leave a message thanking you for replacing the sprite on my Usertag. No matter how hard I looked around Bulbapedia I just couldn't find that Team Rocket sprite, so thanks! [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 23:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. If you ever are looking for Trainer Class sprites, we have an article on every [[:Category:Trainer classes|Trainer Class]]. As far as I'm aware, all our sprites are complete there. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:: Well, I feel pretty stupid now. I looked down that list and managed to completely skip the Team Rocket Grunt link. Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to look more carefully next time ;) Thanks again! [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 00:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Eevee Pokédex ==

Trom, just to let you know all of the Eevee Pokédex URL are outdated (on the collapsible menu under external links on the Pokémon info box). It looks like all the URL just got changed from the National Dex number to the Pokémons name. (ie. from pokemon/001 to pokemon/bulbasaur)

Is there someway we can fix this? –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 21:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:While there was nothing wrong with the redirects from ndex to the name (apart from some potential server stress at Veekun's end) I've updated the link generating process. It should be fine now. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for doing that Trom. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 23:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== *shoots Trom* ==

On TCG Trivia, there isn't a whatchcallit (*) if there's just one piece of it. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== HELP ==

I created a Frontier parser, but I need to add that to the re1, se1, and e1 parser, similar to what was done with the Lati@s parser. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 15:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:OK, ht kinda freaked out on everyone here but you and I seem to have fixed it. What I need to know is if you think you can add a series of multi-form subtemplates I made a while ago to {{Template|Side game}}. They're all posted on the talk page (though I may have missed something) also, be warned, they may not work 100% because I was pretty inexperienced when I made them.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::Verify that they work then make me a sandbox to copy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::It's in my sandbox. Some minor alignment issues seem to have popped up but I was never very good with that (and it could just be my IE).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Don't forget our nonverbal unwritten contract. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Kiaora ==

Hi, i was wondering if you could help with updating the party template on my user page, I tried after the home page told me to but I couldn't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated.''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Topaz''']]'' 22:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Here's the deal. You've been editing your userspace an awful lot in the short time you've been here. How about editing ten different articles before I update your template. Bulbapedia isn't a social site - it's an encyclopedia, and we need your help to complete it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Deal''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Topaz''']]'' 04:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes 48, 49 ==

Sorry, I haven't seen a source dictating these as their names. Can you supply this? It may turn out that they have descriptive names like the Sevii Islands routes. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

: Here are two pictures I just took. [commented out coz they're huge :D]

[[User:MARXOR|MARXOR]] 01:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

:Cheers. About five minutes after I asked you, it was mentioned on some of the news sites that are going hardcore over this. We'll get articles written up in time, most likely after we get any decent kind of substantial information. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for handling the last part of the new Johto Dex numbers for me and I added that trivia piece liked you asked but only on the Legendary Beasts page which is best suited for it. But I tell you it while it was a long and tiring process I made sure not to make any mistakes so there is no need for further edits on those pages. But anyway check out the new trivia piece and make your own changes if you need to. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks again for doing that for us. I'd agree that the Legendary Beasts article is the best. Having triplicate trivia is kind of boring, and it relates to all three of them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite deleting ==

I'm sorry to bother you, but could you delete [a really sucky jpg (comment edited by trom coz he deleted the sucky jpg)]? I updated his page's sprite for a png. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yahuh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== A Couple of things... ==

Hi Trom! I fixed the Giovanni template to have the same colours as the Team Rocket template, you can [[User:MasterKenobi/Gym_Leaders#Pok.C3.A9mon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver_18|find the Giovanni template here]]. Is that colour scheme look all right? If not, what colours should we use? If so, we can go ahead and use it for the admins too.

Also, I have been working on the abilities of the Gym Leaders Pokémon and a couple of other trainers. I know how to find a couple such as Falkner's Pidgey, I will use smokescreen and if it lowers the accuracy, the ability is Keen Eye if not, it is Tangled Feet. Where I become stuck is at Pokémon such as Bugsy's Scyther where the abilities are Swarm or Technician, and I do not know how to determine the ability. I may need help with a few others too. Thanks ;) –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 17:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Colors are fine. A darker grey might be preferable, but I'm not that fussed. Finalizing moves and abilities can be done using an Action Replay. Catch the Gym Leader's Pokémon and look in the status screen. That's how we found out Cynthia's Pokémon have perfect IVs. Dirty little.... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::We will keep those colours then until we decide we dislike them then. Darker grey was what I was thinking too. I will work on the gym leaders Pokémon then, that is an easier method. Wow, Perfect IV's!
::[[image:BrockHGSS.gif]][[File:BrockHGSS.png]]

::Also, I wanted to ask you about the gym leader sprites. Do we want to use the moving one (gif) or non-moving one (png). I have been alternating between both by having the non-moving ones for the gym leader gym battle template and the moving one for the rematch. An example of this is on the [[User:MasterKenobi/Gym_Leaders|Gym leader template page]]. In my personal opinion some of the moving sprites move too fast such as the Brock one. Also, as a side note some of the moving ones make the party template size different. So which way should it be done? Thanks Trom. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not a fan of the moving sprites. They slow down my browser. Although we've used animated sprites for Pt, that Brock one is of rather poor quality. It's up to you I guess. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I will just stick with the one moving, one non-moving then. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 21:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can you do someting for me? ==

Could it be possible that you can protect Leaf for a while until we get things settled?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 21:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's fine commented out. As far as I know, no one's actually played through with Kotone so we have no confirmation of a gender inverse. It's more than likely that it's still Red, what with all the references, but just leave it hidden, ok? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Alright, thanks.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 21:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Need you to do a small fix==
Thank you for merging the Battle Frontier content, however the region stuff for Sinnoh and Johto is messed up and I tried a previewed link correction but it isn't going to work so if you can could you take a crack at it. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]]
:Fixed. {{u|Sol}} did it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Glad someone got to it so the only thing left is updating the Pokémon League template with the new stuff, but anyway that is all I have to say for now. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::One more issue. The caption is incorrect (either 2 images or one with the correct one). [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Once we get a Johto map I'll see if I can set it up to alternate between them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

Wied you delete wikipedia? Why does it break your haerT? Sorry I'm asking these questions, but i just made the page. (I'm friendly with this, don't worry i'm not threatening you in any way). * --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']]
:I'm a Wikipedian at heart, but there's no room for this article on Bulbapedia. Wikipedia as a whole has nothing to do with Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

** Okay, i understand! Sorry, I don't wanna spam your talk page. * --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 3:07 PM September 14, 2009 (UTC)

==Response to userspace policy==
i did read it, and i understand. but it seems like even just sharing in game data in my userspace gets the admins telling me to stop. im not using it like a twitter or a facebook. and i would like to help contribute to the mainspace, but i simply dont know enough about pokemon to edit with confidence. to me it doesnt seem fair that i cant show people my pokemon simply because im not a pokemon guru. it seems like almost everything is covered here :/ please dont take this the wrong way, ill gladly stop editing if it will hurt me and other people. [[User:Volsak|Volsak]] 22:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:There is a lot that can be done on Bulbapedia. Believe it or not, we are far from complete! There are a lot of {{cat|stubs}} here—short articles that need expanding. Have a look through the list and see if there are any articles from the games you've played. I'm sure you'll find something to do. A more general to-do list can be found on the main page. I like your userpage, by the way :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== TY ==

Thanks for cleaning my edit. It was quite embarrassing to read what I actually wrote... [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Ilex Forest

2009-09-15T08:21:26Z

Kanjo: dire need to be changed in to something less "walkthroughy" but I think this section is needed.

{{Infobox location
|image=HGSS Ilex Forest Enter Evening.png
|type=land
|location_name=Ilex Forest
|japanese_name=ウバメのもり
|translated_name=Ubame Forest
|location=Between [[Azalea Town]] and {{rt|34}}
|region=Johto
|map=Johto IlexForest Map.gif
|generation={{gen|II}}, {{gen|IV}}
}}
'''Ilex Forest''' (Japanese: '''ウバメのもり''' ''Ubame Forest'') is a dense forest located in southern [[Johto]], directly west of [[Azalea Town]]. The forest's trees are so close together that all light is blocked out, and the forest seems to be in a perpetual night.

The only important feature in the forest is a shrine to {{p|Celebi}}.

In [[Pokémon Crystal]], if a player managed to obtain the [[GS Ball]], either through the [[Pokémon Mobile System]] or use of a [[wp:GameShark|GameShark]], and if [[Kurt]] had examined it already, placing the GS Ball in the shrine would bring a [[level]] 30 {{p|Celebi}} to face the player.

==Ilex Forest Shrine==
{{main|Ilex Forest Shrine}}

The shrine is a small structure located in the Ilex Forest. It is used in obtaining {{p|Celebi}}.

When the player puts the [[GS Ball]] on the shrine in {{game|Crystal}}, a level 30 Celebi will appear. The player then has the opportunity to capture the {{t|Grass}}/{{t|Psychic}} Pokémon.

==Obtaining cut==
When the player enters the forest, the only way to proceed is to return a run-away {{p|Farfetch'd}} for the regional cutting master's son. In Gen II, this is done by using the forest's layout to chase it back but in Gen IV, there is two Farfetch'd and each needs to be approached while they are facing the other way. The player can do this by walking over sticks and, by doing so, causing them to ruffle. This grab's the Farfect'd's attention and, if no other sticks are ruffled, may allow them to be approached from behind.

==Items==
* [[Revive]]
* {{HM|01|Cut}}: Given after chasing back the charcoal maker's {{p|Farfetch'd}}
* [[X Attack]]
* [[Antidote]]
* {{TM|02|Headbutt}}: Given by a man near the lake
* [[Ether]]
* {{TM|12|Sweet Scent}}: Given by a woman in the guardhouse connecting Ilex Forest with {{rt|34}}
* [[Status ailment healing item#Full Heal|Full Heal]] (Hidden)
* [[Super Potion]] (Hidden)

==Pokémon==
[[File:Ilex Forest anime.png|thumb|right|240px|In the anime]]
[[File:Ilex Forest Entry.jpg|thumb|right|240px|In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
[[File:Ilex Forest.png|thumb|right|240px|Map of the forest in Generation II]]
{{Catchableheader}}
{{Catchtime|All}}
{{Catchentry2|046|Paras|no|no|yes|Walking|6|5%}}
{{Catchentry2|251|Celebi|no|no|yes|Forest Shrine (Event)|30|Only One}}
{{Catchtime|Morning}}
{{Catchentry2|010|Caterpie|yes|no|no|Walking|5-6|50%}}
{{Catchentry2|010|Caterpie|no|no|yes|Walking|5|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|011|Metapod|yes|no|no|Walking|6|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|011|Metapod|no|no|yes|Walking|7|20%}}
{{Catchentry2|013|Weedle|no|yes|no|Walking|5-6|50%}}
{{Catchentry2|013|Weedle|no|no|yes|Walking|5|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|014|Kakuna|no|yes|no|Walking|6|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|014|Kakuna|no|no|yes|Walking|7|10%}}
{{Catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Walking|7|5%}}
{{Catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Walking|5|5%}}
{{Catchentry2|046|Paras|yes|yes|no|Walking|5-6|15%}}
{{Catchtime|Day}}
{{Catchentry2|010|Caterpie|yes|no|no|Walking|5-6|60%}}
{{Catchentry2|010|Caterpie|no|no|yes|Walking|5|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|011|Metapod|yes|no|no|Walking|6|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|011|Metapod|no|no|yes|Walking|7|20%}}
{{Catchentry2|013|Weedle|no|yes|no|Walking|5-6|50%}}
{{Catchentry2|013|Weedle|no|no|yes|Walking|5|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|014|Kakuna|no|yes|no|Walking|5-6|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|014|Kakuna|no|no|yes|Walking|7|10%}}
{{Catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Walking|7|5%}}
{{Catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Walking|5|5%}}
{{Catchentry2|046|Paras|yes|yes|no|Walking|6|5%}}
{{Catchtime|Night}}
{{Catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Walking|5-6|25%}}
{{Catchentry2|043|Oddish|yes|yes|no|Walking|5-6|60%}}
{{Catchentry2|043|Oddish|no|no|yes|Walking|5-7|50%}}
{{Catchentry2|046|Paras|yes|yes|no|Walking|5-6|15%}}
{{Catchentry2|048|Venonat|no|no|yes|Walking|5|30%}}
{{Catchentry2|054|Psyduck|no|no|yes|Walking|7|10%}}
{{Catchentry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Walking|7|5%}}
{{Catchablefooter}}

==Trainers==
{{trainerheader|land}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_BugCatcher.png|Bug Catcher|{{tt|Wayne|This trainer appears only in Pokémon Crystal}}|160|2|165|Ledyba|♂|8|None|046|Paras|♂|10|None|}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

==In the anime==
[[File:IlexPCenter.png|thumb|200px|right|Ilex Forest has a [[Pokémon Center]] in the anime.]]
Ilex Forest appeared in a number of episodes in the {{pkmn|anime}}, as {{Ash}} and {{ashfr|his friends}} traveled from [[Azalea Town]] to [[Goldenrod City]]. The first episode it was seen in was ''[[EP145|A Farfetch'd Tale]]'', where Ash encounters the [[Ilex Forest shrine|shrine]] dedicated to the forest's protector. He would later revisit the shrine—or perhaps one of many different shrines—in ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]''. [[Ash's Noctowl]] was caught within the forest in ''[[EP154|Fowl Play]]'', one of the final episodes set here.

The forest is much larger in the anime than the games, which is why it was the setting for so many episodes. People are shown to be living in it, and there are small villages scattered throughout, and even a [[Pokémon Center]].

==Trivia==
* Ilex Forest is the only early region forest that is not named after the nearest town, unlike [[Viridian Forest]], [[Petalburg Woods]], and [[Eterna Forest]].
* In the Generation II games, the in-game maps made it appear that a route existed between Azalea Town and Ilex Forest, despite players entering the forest immediately after leaving the town. This was corrected for the in-game maps in Generation IV.

==In other languages==
* '''Spanish:''' ''Encinar''
* '''Italian:''' ''Bosco di Lecci''
* '''German:''' ''Steineichenwald''
* '''French:''' ''Bois aux chênes'' (Wood oaks)
{{stub|Location}}
{{Johto}}
{{legendarylocations}}
[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:Forests]]

[[de:Steineichenwald]]
[[fr:Bois aux chênes]]
[[ja:ウバメのもり]]

Johto Route 32

2009-09-14T16:16:09Z

Kanjo: /* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} */ need a link changed to a template link, maybe.. I don't think there's a problem with regular links but I'll learn the templates someday

{{RouteInfo
|article_route=32
|alternate_name=
|type=land
|direction_a=North
|terminus_a=[[Violet City]]/[[Ruins of Alph]]
|junction=None
|direction_b=South
|terminus_b=[[Union Cave]]
|regionmap=Johto Route32 Map.gif
|region=Johto
|generation={{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|before=31
|after=33
}}
'''Route 32''', unlike the route before it, is a long, trainer-heavy route leading directly south from [[Violet City]] and ending at the mouth of [[Union Cave]]. Much like {{rt|3}} in [[Kanto]], Route 32 ends with a [[Pokémon Center]] near the cave.

==Route description==
The fourth route that trainers from {{to|New Bark}} encounter, Route 32 is the first in Johto to see the player's destination to the south– and a far-off one at that. After exiting Violet City through a small path with a {{DL|Berry|List of Berries|PRZCureBerry}} in a clearing, the player comes to a three-way intersection. Either they can head back up north, to Violet City, if they have some business to finish there, west, into the [[Ruins of Alph]], to discover the secrets there, or continue south along the route. After moving south around the large rock, players will find a {{m|Cut}}table tree on its western side, the path behind which leads them to a man who will give them {{TM|05|Roar}}.

From there, the player should head south, going east or west around the next rock (leading them through [[tall grass]] or near a {{pkmn|Trainer}}, respectively). A small bit further south, the route opens up, and players can go along the western side of a small inlet of ocean, facing wild Pokémon and trainers, or cross this on the pier, and come upon three Fishermen. A little southwest of the pier is a patch of grass, where a {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}} can be found.

At this point, players should reach the Pokémon Center, where they can heal their Pokémon from the long journey just in time to enter Union Cave. A man inside the Pokémon Center will also give players an {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}. Just to the north of the Center, on Fridays, [[Week Siblings|Frieda]] will appear to give the player a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Poison Barb}}, which enhances the power of {{type2|Poison}} moves. On days other than Friday, a Great Ball can be found where Frieda usually stands.

Walking straight south from the Center's entrance, another trainer will be encountered – the last on the route. Directly west of him is the entrance to [[Union Cave]], the first mandatory cave of [[Johto]].

==Items==
==={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}===
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Miracle Seed}}
* {{DL|Berry|List of Berries|PRZCureBerry}}
* {{TM|05|Roar}}
* [[Repel]] (Crystal only)
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Poison Barb}} (Fridays only)
* {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}} x2
* {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}
* [[Potion]]

==={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}===
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Miracle Seed}}
* {{DL|Repel|Repel}}
* {{TM|09|Bullet Seed}}
* {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}}
* {{DL|In-battle effect item|Shell Bell}} ({{m|Rock Smash}} needed)
* {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} from Fishing Guru in the [[Pokémon Center]]
* [[Poké Ball#Generation II Poké Balls|Lure Ball]] (x2) From [[Kurt]] enthusiast in Pokémon Center.

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|5|30%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|yes|no|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|no|no|yes|Grass|7|20%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|15%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|85%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|65%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|35%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|70%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|20%}}
{{catchentry2|211|Qwilfish|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|10%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-19|60%}}
{{catchentry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|10%}}
{{catchentry2|195|Quagsire|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|30%}}
{{catchtime|morning}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4-6|35%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|6|5%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|4|1%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|30%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|no|no|yes|Grass|6-7|15%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|yes|yes|no|Grass|4|4%}}
{{catchtime|day}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4-8|40%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|6-8|10%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|30%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|no|no|yes|Grass|6-7|15%}}
{{catchtime|night}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|8|5%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|092|Gastly|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|yes|yes|no|Grass|6-8|35%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

==Trainers==
==={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}===
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Youngster.png|Youngster|Albert|128|2|019|Rattata|♂|6|None|041|Zubat|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|Liz|180|1|029|Nidoran♀||9|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Camper.png|Camper|Ronald|180|1|032|Nidoran♂||9|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Henry|320|2|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Justin|200|4|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|15|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Ralph|400|1|118|Goldeen|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Youngster.png|Youngster|Gordon|160|1|194|Wooper|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_BirdKeeper.png|Bird Keeper|Peter|192|3|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|021|Spearow|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

==={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}===
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Youngster.png|Youngster|シンゴ|128|2|019|Rattata|♂|6|None|041|Zubat|♂|8|None|37=Shingō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|カオリ|128|1|029|Nidoran♀||8|None|37=Kaori}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Camper.png|Camper|タカヒロ|144|1|032|Nidoran♂||9|None|37=Takahiro}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|タクロウ|????|2|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|37=Takurō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|ヒサシ|160|4|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|15|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|37=Hisashi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|ヤスアキ|320|1|118|Goldeen|♂|10|None|37=Yasuaki}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Youngster.png|Youngster|マサタカ|160|1|194|Wooper|♂|10|None|37=Masataka}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_bird_Keeper.png|Bird Keeper|ノブマサ|256|3|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|021|Spearow|♂|8|None|37=Nobumasa}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

{{Johto}}
{{Project Routes}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 032]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 032]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 032]]

[[de:Route 32]]
[[fr:Route 32]]
[[ja:32ばんどうろ]]

Johto Route 32

2009-09-14T16:08:23Z

Kanjo: /* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} */ did I do it right? It's definitely a shell bell but linking is hard

{{RouteInfo
|article_route=32
|alternate_name=
|type=land
|direction_a=North
|terminus_a=[[Violet City]]/[[Ruins of Alph]]
|junction=None
|direction_b=South
|terminus_b=[[Union Cave]]
|regionmap=Johto Route32 Map.gif
|region=Johto
|generation={{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|before=31
|after=33
}}
'''Route 32''', unlike the route before it, is a long, trainer-heavy route leading directly south from [[Violet City]] and ending at the mouth of [[Union Cave]]. Much like {{rt|3}} in [[Kanto]], Route 32 ends with a [[Pokémon Center]] near the cave.

==Route description==
The fourth route that trainers from {{to|New Bark}} encounter, Route 32 is the first in Johto to see the player's destination to the south– and a far-off one at that. After exiting Violet City through a small path with a {{DL|Berry|List of Berries|PRZCureBerry}} in a clearing, the player comes to a three-way intersection. Either they can head back up north, to Violet City, if they have some business to finish there, west, into the [[Ruins of Alph]], to discover the secrets there, or continue south along the route. After moving south around the large rock, players will find a {{m|Cut}}table tree on its western side, the path behind which leads them to a man who will give them {{TM|05|Roar}}.

From there, the player should head south, going east or west around the next rock (leading them through [[tall grass]] or near a {{pkmn|Trainer}}, respectively). A small bit further south, the route opens up, and players can go along the western side of a small inlet of ocean, facing wild Pokémon and trainers, or cross this on the pier, and come upon three Fishermen. A little southwest of the pier is a patch of grass, where a {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}} can be found.

At this point, players should reach the Pokémon Center, where they can heal their Pokémon from the long journey just in time to enter Union Cave. A man inside the Pokémon Center will also give players an {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}. Just to the north of the Center, on Fridays, [[Week Siblings|Frieda]] will appear to give the player a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Poison Barb}}, which enhances the power of {{type2|Poison}} moves. On days other than Friday, a Great Ball can be found where Frieda usually stands.

Walking straight south from the Center's entrance, another trainer will be encountered – the last on the route. Directly west of him is the entrance to [[Union Cave]], the first mandatory cave of [[Johto]].

==Items==
==={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}===
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Miracle Seed}}
* {{DL|Berry|List of Berries|PRZCureBerry}}
* {{TM|05|Roar}}
* [[Repel]] (Crystal only)
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Poison Barb}} (Fridays only)
* {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}} x2
* {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}
* [[Potion]]

==={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}===
* {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Miracle Seed}}
* {{DL|Repel|Repel}}
* {{TM|09|Bullet Seed}}
* {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Great Ball}}
* {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}
* {{DL|In-battle effect item|Shell Bell}} ({{m|Rock Smash}} needed)

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|5|30%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|yes|no|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|no|no|yes|Grass|7|20%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|15%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|10|85%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|65%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|20|35%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|70%}}
{{catchentry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|20%}}
{{catchentry2|211|Qwilfish|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|40|10%}}
{{catchentry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-19|60%}}
{{catchentry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|10%}}
{{catchentry2|195|Quagsire|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|30%}}
{{catchtime|morning}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4-6|35%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|6|5%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|4|1%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|30%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|no|no|yes|Grass|6-7|15%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|yes|yes|no|Grass|4|4%}}
{{catchtime|day}}
{{catchentry2|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4-8|40%}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|6-8|10%}}
{{catchentry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|30%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|187|Hoppip|no|no|yes|Grass|6-7|15%}}
{{catchtime|night}}
{{catchentry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|8|5%}}
{{catchentry2|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|069|Bellsprout|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%}}
{{catchentry2|092|Gastly|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%}}
{{catchentry2|179|Mareep|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|10%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|yes|yes|no|Grass|6-8|35%}}
{{catchentry2|194|Wooper|no|no|yes|Grass|4|30%}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

==Trainers==
==={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}===
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Youngster.png|Youngster|Albert|128|2|019|Rattata|♂|6|None|041|Zubat|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|Liz|180|1|029|Nidoran♀||9|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Camper.png|Camper|Ronald|180|1|032|Nidoran♂||9|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Henry|320|2|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Justin|200|4|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|15|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Fisherman.png|Fisherman{{!}}Fisher|Ralph|400|1|118|Goldeen|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Youngster.png|Youngster|Gordon|160|1|194|Wooper|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_BirdKeeper.png|Bird Keeper|Peter|192|3|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|021|Spearow|♂|8|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

==={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}===
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Youngster.png|Youngster|シンゴ|128|2|019|Rattata|♂|6|None|041|Zubat|♂|8|None|37=Shingō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Picnicker.png|Picnicker|カオリ|128|1|029|Nidoran♀||8|None|37=Kaori}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Camper.png|Camper|タカヒロ|144|1|032|Nidoran♂||9|None|37=Takahiro}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|タクロウ|????|2|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|060|Poliwag|♂|8|None|37=Takurō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|ヒサシ|160|4|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|129|Magikarp|♂|15|None|129|Magikarp|♂|5|None|37=Hisashi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|ヤスアキ|320|1|118|Goldeen|♂|10|None|37=Yasuaki}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Youngster.png|Youngster|マサタカ|160|1|194|Wooper|♂|10|None|37=Masataka}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_bird_Keeper.png|Bird Keeper|ノブマサ|256|3|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|016|Pidgey|♂|6|None|021|Spearow|♂|8|None|37=Nobumasa}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

{{Johto}}
{{Project Routes}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 032]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 032]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 032]]

[[de:Route 32]]
[[fr:Route 32]]
[[ja:32ばんどうろ]]

Talk:Ruins of Alph

2009-09-14T13:48:33Z

Kanjo: /* dunno how this should be included so i'll leave it to you guys */ new section

What does it mean? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 14:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:What does what mean?--[[User:Kkllnn/main|Cassandra]] Teh [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User_talk:Kkllnn|K]] 14:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:: The message of the unown. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 14:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shinto Ruins ==

According to [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml serebii] the Oha Suta show in Japan revealed a the details of where you go for the Arceus event. It says,"If you take Arceus to the Ruins of Alph, you will be given access to a new area which houses ruins called '''Shinto Ruins'''."

Should we add a Shinto Ruins Article or just expand on the Ruins of Alph? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 00:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll add to the Ruins of Alph for now, although if it turns out to be a bigger place we can start a full article. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 00:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== dunno how this should be included so i'll leave it to you guys ==

in gen IV, the first chamber has a heal powder, an energy powder, a pecha berry and an oran berry [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)