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Talk:Novelty Pokémon

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==Smeargle==

Smeargle is in the OU tier, but the article states that it is not used frequently[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 17:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:We generally don't base the content of the articles here off of Smogon's tiers. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

=='Cute' Pokémon==

should we list some of the pokemon that seem to only be there to attr4act customers (eg. Pichu, Pachirisu etc) --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 18:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:That would be too opinionated. Some people might think that Probopass is cute, and want to add it to this list. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Why is Pachirisu novelty? ==

It has decent stats. I don't see why it's in here. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:It's novelty because its stats are not competitive-reliable. A combination of Speed and Special Defense for an Electric Pokemon is weird. It does not have very high Special Attack, like most Electrics do. Its movepool is extremely shadowed, and its paper-thin regular Defense stat really hurts its butt. [[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] 03:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::Those are all good reasons for why Pachirisu isn't viable competitively, but they don't make it a novelty (That's not intended as a slight at Timson622222, since the question did relate to stats). I really think the definition of novelty Pokémon needs to be tightened, before this page ends up listing every non-evolving Pokémon with poor stats. Pachirisu, Volbeat, Luvdisc and Sableye don't have any compelling reasons to be here. Even Farfetch'd is stretching things a bit, to be honest.[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 21:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:::So in your opinion, what IS a novelty Pokemon? Oh yeah, and Luvdisc is pathetic. [[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] 00:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::::In my opinion? A Pokémon designed around a particular novelty or gimmick, in terms of in-game function. Thus you have Ditto, Kecleon, Castform, Unown, Smeargle and so on. Spinda's gimmick is purely cosmetic, but it probably qualifies too. Your opinion on the parameters may vary, but that's my understanding of the term.
::::Now, it's true that the article as currently written defines a novelty Pokémon as basically any non-evolving weak Pokémon with a shallow movepool. Firstly, this has never been my understanding of the term 'novelty Pokémon', and secondly, if we're going to use that definition then we might as well give up now, since what constitutes a weak Pokémon is highly subjective. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 11:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Most Pokémon on that list have something unique. My opinion is that Sableye (unique type combination, so what? unique abilities, others have them too), Kecleon (again, unique abilities), Volbeat ([[Signature move]] is for that), Delibird (see the previous one), Luvdisc (unique held item, so what?) and Pachirisu (NOTHING special) do not belong here. Others have something notable to mention. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Pachirisu being taken off. The page only puts Pachirisu there because of it being "weak" and the only other reason it gives is that it can learn Super Fang. By that definition Rattata should be on this list. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 11:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Additionally, the assumption that these Pokémon are "novelty Pokémon" means that the list may not be able to remain very consistent. After all, Pachirisu could be made infinitely more usable if given a stronger evolution. Ditto (not the Pokémon!) for Farfetch'd and Sableye, although I think Luvdisc's only real role being a source for Heart Scales, it's plenty appropriate on this list. Similarly, Volbeat and Illumise were basically made for the same reason as Plusle and Minun: to showcase the double battle system. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:There's a case to be made for Kecleon remaining, at least. Kecleon is built around its unique ability, whereas the same can't be said for Sableye, which only has Stall in 50% of cases. Back in Gen 1, Porygon's possession of two unique moves, one of them (Conversion) being rather quirky, might have put it in contention for this list too. Of course, if we're restricting this list to Pokémon with no evolutions, then it no longer qualifies.
:We need to decide which features define novelty Pokémon, and which are features that novelty Pokémon just usually have. The most contentious one, to my mind, is 'weakness'. Does a Pokémon have to be weak in order to qualify as a novelty, or is it just the case that most novelty Pokémon happen to be weak? You can make the case for either. The term 'novelty' does imply something that is entertaining but of limited practical use. On the other hand, Arceus is designed around the Multitype gimmick, and certainly isn't weak.
:I'm willing to be persuaded either way on this. I just think that we need some proper criteria for inclusion, be they strict or inclusive, because right now the article is very muddled. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 14:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Abra ==

Do you think Abra could be classed as a novelty Pokémon? Although it has useful evolutions, it is not particularly useful unevolved, except for Teleporting. And being able to teleport is a novelty! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Pokemon that evolve arent novelty because they evolve. also, Abra can learn TMs, making it useful. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== Illumise ==

Volbeat is classified here (and to be honest, I agree). However shouldn't that classify Illumise as one as well. I think that they, like Plusle and Minun, where added for the sake of double battles. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 22:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Legitimacy of this page ==

Is it just me, or is this page really just a list of of Pokémon that people consider weak? Rather then ones with unusual gimmicks to them. It may need a rewrite to reflect this... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 04:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Agree with you on that one. Basically this page considers every small non-legendary Pokémon that can't evolve as novelty. I trained a Pachirisu before, and it's actually stronger than a Pikachu. Yet it's on this page and Pikachu isn't.

:I believed novelty Pokémon as ones that have something particularly unique about them (like the learn only one move or have different forms). But now it just means "weak" Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Which ones do you specifically find fault with? I agree, a Pokémon should not be listed here because it is not useful in battle. So let's have some discussion about what doesn't belong. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Farfetch'd, Sableye, Volbeat, Luvdisc, and Pachirisu. They don't have any real visible gimmicks to them. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc and Heart Scale? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Combee and Honey? Paras/Parasect and Mushrooms? How come those are not there but Luvdisc is? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Paras(ect) wasn't created for the sake of giving out mushrooms, it got that "attribute" in GSC, therefore it doesn't count. Though Combee/Vespiqueen might fit in the novelty category, not only for giving out honeys, but also for being created to showcase Gen IV's "feature" of gender-based evolutions. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. And how do you know that Luvdisc was created solely for giving out Heart Scales? Did you ask its creators? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Because a) They're heart-shaped, b) they debuted in the same gen as Heart Scales (unlike Paras which debuted a gen prior to the introduction of mushrooms as items), c) they're the main source of Heart Scales (the other source, the use of the Itemfinder, doesn't provide you with infinite scales), and d) providing with Heart Scales is the only thing they're good at? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 04:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::That's all a matter of opinion. Unless you have words from the creator that they were only made for getting Heart Scales then it's speculations. And not every Luvdisc holds a Heart Scale. Also, it seems the only reason that Paras isn't a gimmick Pokémon is because it happened to be made BEFORE Gen II. Well who's to say that they didn't make Luvdisc first and then the Heart Scales? So was Bibarel made to give out Oran Berries? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::''"It seems the only reason that Paras isn't a gimmick Pokémon is because it happened to be made BEFORE Gen II."''
::::::::::If you're trying to say that I'm defending it just because I'm biased in favor of Gen I Pokémon, then you're wrong. I have no problem with Ditto or Farfetch'd being here.
::::::::::''"Well who's to say that they didn't make Luvdisc first and then the Heart Scales?"''
::::::::::The same could be said about most Pokémon in the list. Who's to say that they didn't make Smeargle first and then the move Sketch?
::::::::::''"So was Bibarel made to give out Oran Berries?"''
::::::::::Was Bibarel introduced along with Oran Berries? Is Bibarel shaped like a Oran Berry? Is Bibarel the only Pokémon that can be found holding a Oran Berry? Then bad comparison. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 05:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Providing Heart Scales is the only thing they're good at"
::::::::::: That's sounds like a biased statement. Unlike with Smeargle, they actually do more than just hold Heart Scales. They are compatible with many TMs and HMs and can learn a variety of different moves by leveling up.

::::::::::: Smeargle is an entirely different story. The only thing it can do is learn Sketch. It's painfully obvious that's its gimmick. It doesn't matter whether the move Sketch was first or not. Sketch is all Smeargle can do. Another difference between Smeargle.

::::::::::: And Luvdisc isn't exactly the main source of Heart Scales anymore. While that was the most effected way to get them in Generation III, You neglected to mention the mass amounts of Heart Scales found in the Underground in Sinnoh. It's a way more effective way of obtaining them. Of course, this doesn't do any good in HGSS, but Luvdisc can't be found at all in those game. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

its a fanon term, so its definition lies solely on the fans. for example, Pachirisu is useable, but most fans consider them a novelty because they are severely outclassed by other Pokemon that do the same job. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:But there are a lot of fans HERE who are disputing which Pokémon on the list could truly be considered novelty. In fact, everywhere that I've seen such a list the acceptance of its contents has been anything but unanimous. Couldn't the list be revised in accordance with some of these (IMO) well thought-out and logical arguments?
:(I too have issues with some of the things on this list. Pachirisu is hardly just a novelty Pokémon, as it is one of the few Pokémon which can have the ability Pickup. And Farfetch'd is the only flying-type which can have False Swipe by normal means.) --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::it refers to competitive battling. using a Pokemon for False Swipe or Pickup is honestly, exactly what "novelty" is. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::3 things, first off Scyther learns False Swipe naturally and is Flying-Type (Yes, i know what you meant XD). Second, why is Ditto on the list? I use him, and none of my friends can beat the whole 'can ''perfectly'' turn into your opponent's pokemon' thing, especially if you give it all around items like Wise Glasses or Muscle Band. Third, why is Shuckle here?! Seriously have you ever heard of Power Swap (Might be Power Trick, not sure right now), it gives it an IMMENSE offense... But yes i do agree some pokemon are just gimmicks and are of no real use, but some are just unusual and have a practical yet uncommon use. Please let's not make this a 'big' thing, I simply think that some pokemon are wrongly confined here, but some not so much... Why does Luvdisc even exist still, I thought they died out after the underground came into existence... - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 00:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ditto is one of the only Pokémon to learn Transform. Shuckle can get Berry Juice. Luvdisc I don't know. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ditto can do a lot of things on the battle, but it cant to any of them well. its so slow it probably wont even survive long enough for it to Transform. if you are beating someone using a Ditto, they better re-evaluate their team, because it really sucks. Shuckle i admit is arguable, not because of Power Trick (which btw makes its defense 10 and leaves it completely open to death) but because it is a tank, which can be useable to some people. Luvdisc is pretty much the definition of novelty. it is outclassed on the battlefield by even some unevolved Pokemon. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sableye and Farfetch'd not being her. In Sapphire, Sable was one of my team members, it kicked ass, in pkmn yellow my strongest poké was a traded in Farfetch'd.
Probably can be said the same for Luvdisc and Pachirisu as well (I think Pachirisu is here mainly because the previous gens' "Pikachu-clones" Minun and Plusle are here.)
There needs to be a set definite for what "gimmick" means, I mean hell, I used to think Lickitung was pretty gimmicky, with it's tongue and stuff (to much sushi caper in pokémon stadium lol)ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

I don't see the point of this article. It is not giving information, and has basically become a battleground. Does anyone have a reason for keeping it up? I mean a good reason?[[User:StarlightCoordinator|Starlight is Beauty...]] 17:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== ??? ==

Farfetched via trade in Generation I? Can someone explain how this happens, and why it is novelty. In Sapphire i trained a Farfetch'd and it was amazing in power! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:{{p|Farfetch'd|Farfetch'd?}} [[Stats#Attack|Amazing in power?]] {{m|Chatter|Tell me}} [[April Fool's Day 2010|you're not serious.]] {{m|Chatter|We ''ARE'' talking about}} [[Pokémon cloning|the same]] {{p|Farfetch'd}} [[Bulbapedia|here,]] [[Question marks|aren't we?]] {{p|Farfetch'd|Farfetch'd's}} [[stats]] {{m|Whirlpool|are in the toilet,}} [[IQ|you know.]] {{p|Farfetch'd}}[[Novelty Pokémon| is novelty because of]][[Stats| its horrible stats, ]][[Normal (type)|its commo]][[Flying (type)|n type combination, and the fact that ]][[Generation I|in Generation I,]][[Trade| you have to trade for it.]] [[Special:Random|And yes, ]][[User:Missingno. Master|I]][[Effort values| have nothing better to do than ]][[Special:Random|linking all this text like this.]] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== worthless ==

honestly this topic should be taken down the only pokemon that actually belong here are ditto and unown the rest of which have just as much use as any other especially smeargle and kecleon which is see used it high tier battles all the time to say smeargle is useless cause it can only learn sketch is pathetic since sketch can be any move you want it to be including a moveset such as spore,substitute,any stat enhancing move, baton pass and yes it is mentioned that it can baton pass moves that cant usually be done but that is a major thing allowing belly drum to be baton passed into already strong pokemon to make some of the most insane tanks

and with pachirisu not having an ability is better than it having slack off or some other hindering ability

plusle and minun dont have to be used in a duo at all alone that can be very useful and together they can be even better

luvdisc and burmy dont belong here yes they are weak but they are still useable

castform is really good especially if u have abomasnow kyogre or groudon in ur team or another weather inducing pokemon

sableye doesnt belong here ive seen it used multiple times especially with high priority moves

and i can keep going so honestly just take this page down

edit:7/22/10 yea and now lovedisc is evolving this category is crap remove this page {{unsigned|Ares5566}}
:Novelty does not mean useless. Please take the time to read the header section of the article, which clearly specifies that "novelty Pokémon" have unique or "gimmicky" characteristics. For reference, Luvdisc has not been confirmed to evolve yet. For all we know, it could simply be an Isshu counterpart BUT we won't be discussing that here (see {{bp|talk page}} guidelines). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shedinja ==

I think Shedinja would be a good addition to this article. Its unique evolution, signature ability, and lame stats make it a definite Pokémon to include here. I also agree with the removal of Pachirisu from this article.

--[[User:Earfone445|Earfone445]] 22:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Additions ==

Some of these could be in the article, not sure if they all need to be there however;
*Abra (Something of a novelty due to its unique and only move Teleport, making it difficult to capture, was the only Pokemon aside from its evolutions to learn the move by level up)
*Voltorb/Electrode (Gen I-IV only, created as item mimics)
*Lickitung/Mr. Mime/Jynx (Gen I only, Much like Farfetch'd, they were only available through in game trades, unlike Farfetch'd and Lickitung who can be caught in the wild in Yellow, Jynx and Mr. Mime could not be obtained any other way except trading from Gen II))
*Eevee (Gen I only, created to showcase evolution by stone, was also the only Pokemon with a branched evolution)
*Togepi (Gen II only, given to the player in G/S to showcase the addition of Pokemon Eggs and Breeding)
*Feebas (Gen III & IV, only evolves by high beauty condition (trading too in Gen V) to showcase the addition of Contests and Contest Conditions, also has a unique capture method)
*Spiritomb (Unique capture method to showcase the Sinnoh Underground)
*Hippopotas/Hippowdon (created to showcase the addition of gender differences)
*Arceus (Unique form-changing ability)
*Hihidaruma (Unique form-changing Ability, albeit a hidden one)
:I would prefer some feedback before I add these, but please do not use the "This Pokemon evolves" excuse (which should actually be removed from the page), as Burmy evolves into Wormadam and Mothim, but is still a novelty as it showcases both the location-based evolutions and the gender-based evolutions. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::Also, the bits in Castform & Kecleon description about being difficult to use in battle sounds to opinionated. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::This whole article is an opinion. I don't know why it exists still. And I still believe Pachirisu has no business being here.

:::The definition of a novelty Pokémon is a weak Pokémon serves no purpose other than to be a collectible. So none of the Pokémon you listed qualify because they have higher attack power, evolve, or are legendary. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Being a Novelty has absolutely nothing to do with how strong a Pokemon is, it is whether or not they are gimmicky, Castform and Shedinja are powerful but are still novelty, and Pachirisu has already been removed. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::the page exists in the same vein as {{pkmn2|Pseudo-legendary}} in that it is both technically opinion, and widely accepted by the fandom. the power of said Pokemon IS supposed to play a role in this, but due to a lot of people insisting that said Pokemon (like Pachi) are "powerful in their own way", it has been hard to govern this page. personally, i think Pachi basically defines "novelty Pokemon" but thats another story. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::At least pseudo legends have some standards. Base stat total and 3 stage evolution. With novelty, it seems like it's "You're tiny and can't evolve. Novelty!" --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:I partly agree with Kenji-girl that Arceus, being a legendary, probably shouldnt be on the page, the rest, especially Spiritomb, Hippopotas and Feebas, deserve a mention
:I cannot however, see anything unique or novelty about Pachirisu, other than it is obviously a PikaClone like Emonga, Plusle & Minun (and to a lesser extent Azuril, Marill and Azumarill) and too many pokemon learn Super Fang for that to be mentioned '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::i think some concrete rules should be considered. and i dont think Super Fang has anything to do with it. it doesnt make them ultimately power, just gives them at least one good attack. i mean, if something is a clear "Pika-clone" then that almost instantly makes it a novelty, seeing as it basically makes it the Pikachu of that region (and technically pointless). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::When I mentioned Super Fang, I was referring to the description that was previously on the page for Pachisiru; "''Pachirisu have very low offensive stats and none of its abilities have any effect in battle; however, is one of the few Pokémon able to learn Super Fang.''", but yes, I suppose it could be noted on the page that it is the regional Pikachu, although I had been under the impression that it would have been seen as opinion. And what rules do you have in mind? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I think abra, magikarp and phione are novelty pokémon. Abra because it only learns teleport, magikarp because it learns splash untill level 15 and Phione because it is an entirely inferior version of Manaphy. --[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 14:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Abra and Magikarp aren't novelty, they evolve into powerful Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have included Wobbuffet, Phione and Basslao, because they are novelty as well.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 10:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I also have added Delcatty and Tornelos.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 11:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:Simply having a unique ability is not notable enough to be a novelty, Tournelos is a legendary, and it is debatable whether or not Legendaries should be included in the list, since in a sense, all Legendaries are unique and novelty. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:29, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I am glad my additions for Wobbuffet and Basslao have been accepted. And I expected the removal of Tornelos. But I still find Delcatty should be there. She is more novelty than Luvdisc or Farfetch'd. Her ability to use Thunder Wave on Ground Pokémon with Normalize is very gimmick.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 16:34, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
We REALLY should get a definition on what constitutes as a "Novelty" before adding any Pokémon to the list.

My definition is this: A Pokémon that needs to rely on a certain straedgy to function in battle. Other attributes such as evolutions, strength, alternate formes or showing of a gameplay mechanic are optional, but if the Pokémon's whole purpose is to rely on that single straegdy and the player is unable to change this, that's what makes it a novelty. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 17:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, I was surpried no-one had added Wobbuffet before (how I could have missed it?), but Ground-types can be paralyzed by non-Electric moves like Body Slam, Secret Power and Lick. As for the legendaries, it is debatable, but I suppose ''really'' gimmicky ones like Arceus could be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:26, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::::The definition of Novel according to Wikipedia: ''that which is striking, original or unusual'' '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

== "Table" ==

Does anyone else see the "table" as a bit broken? There is no major border, and there are slight gaps in it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:38, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
:That's because each "cell" in the "table" is actually a separate table. Fixing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Mew ==
I'm surprised I don't see Mew here, as it has what seem to be placeholder stats (all 100's) has the unique ability to learn all TMs, is an event/glitch exclusive Pokémon, etc, etc... [[User:Silentspring|Silentspring]] 20:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

==Hippopotas==
I think it's a stretch to call Hippopotas and Hippowdon novelty Pokémon, because a) their gender differences being the greatest is extremely subjective (What about Wobbufett? Noticability isn't just about the quantity of variation, but the quality), and b) I don't recall any advertising or marketing calling attention to their differences (Usually they went with more well known Pokémon like Pikachu). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

==Some of these Pokémon seem Unfitting==
The description of the page points out that the novelty Pokémon are mainly not very good in battle, have low stats, etc.. Some of the Pokémon that seem useful/unfitting to the supposed requirements that are on here include:
*Arceus - All it says is it has a unique ability (And it says it has the HIGHEST base stat total of any Pokémon, which is practically the opposite of a novelty Pokémon)
*Manaphy/Deoxys/Meloetta/Genesect - Legendary Pokémon aren't useless in battle - they have high bast stat totals.
*Darmanitan - The reason that they are novelty Pokémon just doesn't seem right. It is basically saying they are novelty Pokémon because they have interchangeable forms (which is getting common).
*Cherrim/Castform - They seem novelty for the exact same reason (except Castform has more forms) which makes them less unique.
*Rotom/Basculin - 4 abilities and six forms are more unique than novelty.

It just confuses me that these Pokémon are novelty, and yet Pachirisu and Farfetch'd, two practically useless Pokémon, aren't novelty... [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 18:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:I've reworded the intro slightly, but all those that you mentioned do fit the definition of novelty in one way or another. And form changing is novel. Also, useless does not automatically mean novelty. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

== Chatot RNG? ==

The entry for Chatot mentions it's move Chatter is essential in [[RNG]] abuse, however none of the articles on that, on [[Chatot (Pokémon)|Chatot]], nor on the move [[Chatter (move)|Chatter]] mentions anything on this. Is there any evidence to back up this claim? Chatot seems to fit on this list because of it's move Chatter, but the part about RNG abuse doesn't even seem to be accurate. If anyone knows more, consider adding a section to the Chatot page, and linking to there from this article. [[User:Jordan042|Jordan042]] 18:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Struggle (move)

2011-12-07T18:17:25Z

Jordan042: /* In other generations */ new section

== Contest description ==
o_O Why on Earth does Struggle have a Contest description? --Ketsuban

1) There's one template that encompasses both move and contest info. 2) Maybe Struggle just happens to have those statistics in-built anyway? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's what was in Meowth's database anyway. I had some discussion with him on how to prove it, and he suggested {{m|Sketch}}ing it - but in light of recent data, that wouldn't work. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:37, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I meant that if you have, say, a Smeargle with only one move, Sketch, and use it, and after using it in the contest, it wouldn't have any PP, so Struggle would be forced next. But since contests don't use PP, it wouldn't work to do. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 03:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should we mention somewhere that Struggle, despite being Normal, seems to have no problem affecting Ghost Pokémon? [[User:Elsa|Elsa]]
:Probably so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Struggle may have contest data for the same reason that {{p|Arceus}} has a {{t|???}} sprite; so the game wont crash if someone uses a cheating device to force Struggle to be used in a contest. [[User:Bardock|3190]] 11:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== 25% ==

Struggle taks off one quarter of the users HP, regardless of the damage it does. It always has when I have used it. Definately not 50% of the damage it does. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 20:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Some other Pokémon sites say the same. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 23:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:Changed it! XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 15:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Type? ==

How do we know the type? Does it affect Ghost-types? Are we assuming it's a Normal-type move just because it is not super effective on anything??? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:21 18 Jun 2008'''''
:In the game data. Same as for the contest stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's just a filler type I'm guessing. It's obviously not a true Normal type. It's only there to stop game crashes. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Aw, I was thinking about it and felt the need to look it up because I hoped it had the ??? type, that would make more sense but I guess since Struggle predates the ??? type they probably wouldn't have felt the need to change it to that, but it would make sense to have it be ??? type. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet! ==

Does anyone have an image of '''Wobbuffet!''' using this attack? It was in the anime so I'm thinking we should puut a note in. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

== All? ==

Does Struggle take 25% of the user's HP even if it has an ability like [[Rock Head]]?
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 11:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it does. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 15:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
== STAB ==
Is [[STAB]] applied to this move?[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 19:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's a good question. I'd imagine not, since Rock Head and a host of other things don't. They likely didn't make it ???-type just because of the fact that ??? moves do barely anything. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== Blissey ==

I noted that Blissey doesn't take 25% of the damage it does with struggle... it instead takes something like 2500%. Anyone noted it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's because it's not 25% of the damage caused (if it was, Blissey would probably take less than 3 damage per use). It's 25% of the user's maximum HP. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

What if a Smeargle used Sketch after the opponent used Struggle?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, Struggle can't be learnt by Smeargle because it cant accually by "learnt" by any Pokémon. It just a replacement for when you've run out of options in a battle. The move will just fail. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== When used on Kecleon? ==

Makes it Normal again, or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Strikes Back ==

In the final battle at the end, is this what the Pokemon are using? It seems that they are hurting themselves by attacking and Mewtwo notes that he is supressing their abilities (which could be understood to mean attacks, as 'Abilities' hadn't been introduced by that point). If so should this be noted on the page? {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}
It's possible.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 20:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Normal-type? ==

If it hits all Pokémon with 1x effectiveness, including Ghost wouldn't that make it {{type2|???}}? —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 08:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The info listed in the article is only what the game says it is, I once changed the amount of PP to the infinity symbol to find someone change it back and tell me this, you ''can'' mention that in a bit of trivia though, would also make a nice addition to the ???-type page, but be sure to state that it '''only''' ''acts as'' the ???-type [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::I tested it on a beldum (a steel type) and it wasn't very effective. Hope this helps. [[User:S and T|S and T]] 01:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

==PP?==
How come it says in the article that it has 10 base PP, then in the table it says 1? [[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 10:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:Read the following section. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mirror? ==

Out of curiosity, can Struggle be imitated by an opponent knowing {{m|Mirror Move}} or {{m|Me First}}? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 19:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)''
:No, the move would fail. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 20:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Still typeless? ==

Since the abolition of the ???-type and Future Sight and Doom Desire's inability to deal typeless damage, is this still typeless?

Also, we should REALLY test on Kecleon in all gens with Kecleon in it. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Rough Skin / Rocky Helmet / Static / Et.c. ==

It's a contact move, so deserves a mention either way, no? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 11:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== In other generations ==

The picture in this section of Generation III doesn't actually depict this move being used. Anyone have a better one? [[User:Jordan042|Jordan042]] 18:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Self-Destruct (move)

2009-01-03T17:36:02Z

Jordan042: /* Generation I */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=120 |
name=Selfdestruct |
jname=じばく |
jtrans=Selfdestruct |
desc=The user blows up to inflict damage on all Pokémon in battle. The user faints upon using this move. |
gameimage=Selfdestruct_Lucas.jpg |
type=Normal |
damagecategory=Physical |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=200 |
accuracy=100 |
bdesc=??? |
gen=I |
tm1=yes |
tm#1=36 |
mtxd=yes |
na=no |
category=Beauty |
appeal=8 |
jam=0 |
cdesc=Makes a great appeal, but allows no more to the end. |
appealsc=0 |
scdesc=Earn +15 if all the Pokémon choose the same Judge. |
pokefordex=selfdestruct |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
footnotes= }}
'''Selfdestruct''' (Japanese: '''じばく''' ''Selfdestruct'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Normal}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation I]].

==Effect==
===Generation I===
Selfdestruct does damage, and causes the user to faint. Though its power is listed as 130, the target's {{stat|Defense}} will be halved when damage from this attack is calculated, giving it an effective power of 260. The game will bump 0 up to 1 to avoid infinite damage, so Selfdestruct will then effectively have a power of 130 if used against a target with a defense value of 1.

If Selfdestruct breaks a target's {{m|Substitute}}, the user will not faint, though its image will be replaced by a blank image. Additionally, if the user of Selfdestruct had a Substitute at the time of such a situation, uses Substitute later, or switches out, its regular image will once again become visible.

If the user of Selfdestruct attacks first and faints itself, the target will not attack or be subjected to recurrent damage during that round.

In Stadium, if Selfdestruct breaks an target's Substitute, the user will faint.

===Generation II and on===
Similar, but without glitches and with a power of 200 instead.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation I]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|--|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|--|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||22|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||--|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||22|}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||40|}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||43|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM36]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|088|Grimer|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|089|Muk|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|090|Shellder|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|091|Cloyster|2|Water|Ice|}}
{{Moveentrytm|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|093|Haunter|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|094|Gengar|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|101|Electrode|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|109|Koffing|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|110|Weezing|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic||}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation II]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|--|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|--|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||23|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||--|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||23|}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||17|}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||--,17|}}
{{Moveentry|204|Pineco|1|Bug||8|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|--|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|8|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[breeding]]====
{{Breedlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||{{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Graveler}}, {{p|Golem}}}}
{{Learnlist/footer/breeding}}

===[[Generation III]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|21|}}
{{Moveentry|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||27|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||27|}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||17|}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||--|}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||17|}}
{{Moveentry|204|Pineco|1|Bug||8|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|--|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|8|}}
{{Moveentry|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|19|}}
{{Moveentry|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|19|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[breeding]]====
{{Breedlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||{{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Graveler}}, {{p|Golem}}}}
{{Learnlist/footer/breeding}}

====By [[move tutor]] in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|088|Grimer|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|089|Muk|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|090|Shellder|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|091|Cloyster|2|Water|Ice|}}
{{Moveentrytm|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|093|Haunter|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|094|Gengar|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|101|Electrode|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|109|Koffing|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|110|Weezing|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|204|Pineco|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|208|Steelix|2|Steel|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|211|Qwilfish|2|Water|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|218|Slugma|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|219|Magcargo|2|Fire|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|222|Corsola|2|Water|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|273|Seedot|1|Grass||}}
{{Moveentrytm|274|Nuzleaf|2|Grass|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|275|Shiftry|2|Grass|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|299|Nosepass|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison||}}
{{Moveentrytm|320|Wailmer|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|321|Wailord|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|323|Camerupt|2|Fire|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|324|Torkoal|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|362|Glalie|1|Ice||}}
{{Moveentrytm|375|Metang|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|376|Metagross|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|377|Regirock|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|378|Regice|1|Ice||}}
{{Moveentrytm|379|Registeel|1|Steel||}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|18|}}
{{Moveentry|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|18|}}
{{Moveentry|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|18|}}
{{Moveentry|100|Voltorb|1|Electric||29|}}
{{Moveentry|101|Electrode|1|Electric||29|}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||19|}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||19|}}
{{Moveentry|204|Pineco|1|Bug||6|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|--|}}
{{Moveentry|205|Forretress|2|Bug|Steel|6|}}
{{Moveentry|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|19|}}
{{Moveentry|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|19|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[breeding]]====
{{Breedlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||{{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Graveler}}, {{p|Golem}}}}
{{Moveentry|438|Bonsly|1|Rock||{{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Graveler}}, {{p|Golem}}}}
{{Learnlist/footer/breeding}}

==In other games==
[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Selfdestruct may not necessarily cause the user of this move to faint, depending on the amount of HP left.

==In other languages==
* French: '''Destruction'''
* German: '''Finale'''
* Italian: '''Autodistruzione'''
* Spanish: '''Autodestruc'''

{{Generation I TMs}}
{{Project MoveDex notice}}

[[de:Finale]]
[[ja:じばく]]
[[pt:Selfdestruct]]

Kabutops (Pokémon)

2009-01-03T17:26:58Z

Jordan042: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Kabuto | next=Aerodactyl }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Kabutops |
jname=カブトプス |
tmname=Kabutops |
image=141Kabutops.png |
size=150 |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
pron=<sc>kuh-''buu''-tops</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=141 |
jdex=223 |
hdex=296 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Water |
species=Shellfish |
height-ftin=4′03″ |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=89.3 |
weight-kg=40.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Swift Swim |
ability2=Battle Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Water 3 |
hatchsteps=7,680 |
effortyield=2 Atk |
expyield=199 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=12.5 |
male=87.5 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=kabutops |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Kabutops''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''カブトプス''' ''Kabutops'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Water}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Kabuto}} starting at [[level]] 40.

==Biology==
Kabutops is a fossil Pokémon no longer found in the wild, and must be evolved from a {{p|Kabuto}} resurrected from a [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]].

===Physiology===
{{p|Kabuto}}'s four insect-like legs have vanished and two long feet stand in their place. Two sharp claws extend from Kabutops's exoskeleton and several plates close the opening that used to be there. There are six hard spikes going down from the back of its neck, three on each side that lead down towards the beginning of its tail. Its head is covered in a rock hard, semicircular shape armor. A tail protrudes from its back, bearing the same color as approximately seventy-five percent of its body.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Kabutops's body enables faster swimming.

===Behavior===
Kabutops is a fierce prehistoric predator. Adaptations in its body permit it to lead a more terrestrial lifestyle than its predecessors.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Sea.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Sea Pokémon|Sea Pokémon]]]]
The exact habitat of Kabuto is unknown, but so far [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Dome Fossil]]s are only found in the [[Kanto]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions. But other facts would leave one to believe that Kabutops and Kabuto may have lived in the sea and in caves, although Kabutops could walk ashore on its newly developed legs.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Kabutops cuts open prey with its claws, then sucks up the spilled bodily fluids.

==In the anime==
[[Image:AttackofthePrehistoricPokemon.gif|right|thumb|Kabutops with other fossil Pokémon]]
Kabutops first seems to appear in ''[[EP017|Island of the Giant Pokémon]]'' on a theme park island populated with giant mechanical Pokémon.

Kabutops's first true appearance in ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]''. It was one of the fossil Pokémon that was awakened by a dynamite explosion in [[Grandpa Canyon]].

Kabutops also appeared in ''{{g|Heroes}}''. Oakley used ancient DNA to resurrect a Kabutops and an {{p|Aerodactyl}} to chase after {{Ash}} and {{p|Latias}}. In the English dub, they were once used by an evil {{g|Trainer}} to torment the civilians of [[Alto Mare]], but were drowned when a {{p|Latios}} brought water to the city.

[[Dr. Yung]] uses a Mirage Kabutops in [[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]].

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Special===
In {{PSV|13}}, [[Brock]] possesses a Kabutops in his team. He explains that he met Kabutops at the Pewter Museum when [[Pewter City]] was invaded during the [[Elite Four]] saga, and has since then become a powerful fighter employing ancient attacks.

===In the TCG===
{{main|Kabutops (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=water
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its sleek shape is perfect for swimming. It {{m|slash}}es prey with its claws and drains the body fluids.
|yellowdex=A slim and fast swimmer. It slices its prey with its sharp sickles and drinks the body fluids.
|stadiumdex=Swims very quickly. It tears at its foe with sickle-like forelegs and drains the foe's body fluids entirely.
|golddex=In the water, it tucks in its limbs to become more compact, then it wiggles its shell to swim fast.
|silverdex=With sharp claws, this ferocious, ancient Pokémon rips apart prey and sucks their body fluids.
|crystaldex=It was able to swim quickly through the water by compactly folding up its razor-sharp sickles.
|stadium2dex=In the water, it tucks in its limbs to become more compact, then it wiggles its shell to swim fast.
|rubydex=Kabutops swam underwater to hunt for its prey in ancient times. The Pokémon was apparently evolving from being a water-dweller to living on land as evident from the beginnings of change in its gills and legs
|sapphiredex=Kabutops swam underwater to hunt for its prey in ancient times. The Pokémon was apparently evolving from being a water-dweller to living on land as evident from the beginnings of change in its gills and legs
|emeralddex=Kabutops once swam underwater to hunt for prey. It was apparently evolving from being a water dweller to living on land as evident from changes in its gills and legs.
|firereddex=It swims freely through water. It catches prey with its scythe-like arms and drains the victim's fluids.
|leafgreendex=Its sleek shape is perfect for swimming. It slashes prey with its claws and drains their fluids.
|diamonddex=It is thought that this Pokémon came onto land because its prey adapted to life on land.
|pearldex=It is thought that this Pokémon came onto land because its prey adapted to life on land.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=rock |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kabuto}} |
yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kabuto}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kabuto}} |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kabuto}} |
palarea=Sea |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 10 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| Evolve from {{p|Kabuto}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Marine Resort]] (B1-B19)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=60 |
Attack=115 |
Defense=105 |
SpAtk=65 |
SpDef=70 |
Special=70 |
Speed=80 |
type=Rock |
type2=Water }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=rock |
type2=water |
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 25 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Kabuto}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|rock|water|4|1|Kabutops}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|0|||Pt}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2|||Pt}}
{{mlentry4|6|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|11|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|16|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|21|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|26|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|31|Aqua Jet|Water|Physical|40|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|40|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|45|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|54|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|63|Wring Out|Normal|Special|—|100|5|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|72|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|Beauty|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|rock|water}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|rock|water|4|1|Kabutops}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM55]]|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM69]]|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM71]]|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM75]]|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM76]]|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM81]]|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM08]]|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|rock|water}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|rock|water|4|1|Kabutops}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}} {{p|Shellder}}, {{p|Cloyster}} {{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}} {{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Politoed}} {{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}} {{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Corsola}} {{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}} {{p|Mantine}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|BubbleBeam|Water|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Mantine}} {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cradily}}|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}}|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Feebas}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}}|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}} {{p|Skorupi}}, {{p|Drapion}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Politoed}} {{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}} {{p|Omanyte}}, {{p|Omastar}} {{p|Kabuto}}, {{p|Kabutops}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}}|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Wartortle}}, {{p|Blastoise}}|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}} {{p|Totodile}}, {{p|Croconaw}}, {{p|Feraligatr}} {{p|Huntail}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|rock|water}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|rock|water|4|1|Kabutops}}
{{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|Beauty|1||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|10|95|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''|yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2||'''|no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{tutor/note|4|rock|water}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=rock |
ndex=141 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Deep-Sea Floor |
P1= I'm thirsty... Find me some prey! |
P2= Aww... My health is cut in half so soon? |
P3= I fear the worst... I can't begin to wave my scythes... |
PL= There! I leveled! My scythes gained sharper edges! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5% |
iq=E |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1|140|Kabuto|2|Rock|Water|[[Level|Level 40]]|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=water|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=141|
name=Kabutops|
}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:000K.png|thumb|right|Kabutops Fossil on display in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]]]
* "Lantis," from the word "{{wp|Atlantis}}," was the prototype name for Kabutops.
* In [[Generation I]], Kabutops had a large diamond shaped plate on its back that was replaced in [[Generation II]] by a horn-like extention of its head.
*Kabutops makes a good [[HM slave]], as it can learn five different [[HM]]s.
*Despite being 4x effective, Kabutops can learn {{type2|Grass}} moves.

==Origin==
Like {{p|Kabuto}}, it resembles {{wp|trilobite}}s, however, more subtly. The large head is identical to the cephlon in trilobites and the spines down the back resemble thoracic sections in trilobites.
===Name origin===
The ''kabuto'' in Kabutops's name could be derived from 兜 ''kabuto'', helmet, referring to its shape and rock-like properties. Its head has a resemblance to a 兜蟹 ''kabutogani'', {{wp|horseshoe crab}}. ''Tops'' might mean that it is the "the top" in its evolutionary line. It could also be a reference to the extinct creature {{wp|triceratops}}, {{wp|ceratopsidae}} in general or {{wp|triops}}.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Kabutops
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Kabutops
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 투구푸스 ''Tugupuseu''

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
 

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Kabuto | next=Aerodactyl }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Fossil Pokémon]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Kabutops]]
[[fr:Kabutops]]
[[ja:カブトプス]]
[[pl:Kabutops]]
[[pt:Kabutops (pokémon)]]

Talk:Doom Desire (move)

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== Japanese translation ==

There is currently no Japanese text for the name of this move. This needs to be corrected and redirected to the current title. Kkllnn, where are you getting the Japanese if it is not on here? [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:I am getting it from the top of the move infobox.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 22:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, I see. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Only Jirachi? ==

I believe I have seen this move used before in a game, but I have never had or seen a Jirachi. Anyone know how this is possible? --[[User:Jordan042|Jordan042]] 17:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Unown (Pokémon)

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Jordan042: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Misdreavus | next=Wobbuffet }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Unown |
jname=アンノーン |
tmname=Unknown |
image=201Unown.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
pron=<sc>''unknown''</sc>|
ndex=201 |
jdex=061 |
hdex=346 |
sdex=114 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Symbol |
height-ftin=1′08″ |
height-m=0.5 |
weight-lbs=11.0 |
weight-kg=5.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
ability2= |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=10,240 |
effortyield=1 Atk, 1 SpA |
expyield=61 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=none |
female=0 |
male=0 |
color=Black |
catchrate=225 |
body=01 |
pokefordex=unown |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Unown''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''アンノーン''' ''Unknown'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon. However, as of [[Generation IV]], Unown has 28 derivative shapes. There are 26 English alphabet characters, plus two punctuation marks: ''?'' (question mark) and ''!'' (exclamation mark). That shape is determined by its [[personality value]].

==Biology==
They tend to stick to walls or orbit other Unown when in a group.

===Physiology===
Unown are floating, flat, eye-shaped Pokémon with appendages that make them resemble letters. They are black all over.

====Gender differences====
This Pokémon is genderless.

====Different forms====
Unown has 28 different forms, one for each letter of the alphabet, as well as '!' and '?'. These are chronicled in the [[Unown Dex]].
The '!' and '?' forms were not introduced until [[Generation III]].

===Special abilities===
Unown's only known move in battle is the enigmatic {{m|Hidden Power}}. In the anime, they are capable of reading the thoughts of other lifeforms (which isn't a unique ability in itself). However, great numbers of them are capable of warping reality to suit the dreams and wishes of whoever is in control.

===Behavior===
Unown can make telepathic contact with humans (and many other creatures also). Unown have a timidness that rarely makes them venture outside of their dimension.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Rare.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Rare Pokémon|Rare Pokémon]]]]
Unown live in [[Alternate dimension|their own dimension]].

When they move to the Pokémon World, Unown seem to prefer to make their habitat in ancient ruins stuck to the walls, appearing only in the [[Ruins of Alph]] in [[Johto]], [[Tanoby Chambers]] in the [[Sevii Islands]], [[Solaceon Ruins]] in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Unown Relic]] and [[Aegis Cave]] in the [[Pokémon World (Mystery Dungeon)|Mystery Dungeon world]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:DPBattleDimensionStatue.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The tablet found below the statue of Dialga in [[DP060|''Journey to the Unown!'']].]]
The {{OBP|Unown|Spell of the Unown}} play a large role in the [[Spell of the Unown|third movie]], creating the illusions which drive the plot.

Notes about Unown can be seen on [[Professor Oak]]'s computer at the beginning of the movie. The information (as presented in the Japanese version) has been cleaned up and transcribed here:
* Because of their very timid and careful character, Unown do not want to go out to the external world.
* Unown have the power to perceive the feelings of other creatures (including human beings).
* Unown communicate with each other over electromagnetic waves but cannot use telepathy.
* Given all this, Unown are still classified as a species of Pokémon, as opposed to any other sort of creature.
Oddly enough, also on Professor Oak's computer appear several Unown of shapes [[Unreleased Pokémon|not yet encountered]].
[[Image:UnownAnime.JPG|left|thumb|Unown from [[DP060|''Journey to the Unown!'']]]]
An Unown fell out of the Unown dimension in ''[[EP263|Address Unown]]''. After it was healed by the group, it helped defend against Team Rocket and its mind merged with that of [[Ash's Larvitar]] so that the group could help it to address its inner pain.

Unown appeared on a tablet that [[Cynthia]] was reading in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training]]'', and make yet another appearance in ''[[DP060|Journey to the Unown!]]''. Also, many Unown made an appearance in the ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'', seen wandering the dimension which {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} originally dwell in.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Special===
Unown first appeared in {{PSV|8}} when {{Special|Gold}} and [[Bugsy]] were in the [[Ruins of Alph]]. Gold had his {{p|Sunkern}} use {{m|Flash}} to blind [[Team Rocket]], but accidentally disturbed the Unown from their slumber with the light from Flash. Bugsy later returns to study the Ruins further in {{PSV|11}}, where he captures an Unown (G).

Unown later appear in {{PSV|24}}, having been awakened by [[Sird]] from the [[Tanoby Ruins]] to use as a distraction while she fought [[Lorelei]]. The Unown later appear again throughout the volume, being employed by Team Rocket as living security cameras while impeding the progress of {{Special|Red}}, {{Special|Blue}} and {{Special|Green}}.

It also appeared in DP saga when {{Special|Diamond}}, {{Special|Pearl}} and {{Special|Berlitz}} were visiting Solaceon City. Diamond and Pearl befriended two Unowns (D and P) who behaved like them.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Unown (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
When one Unown is released from a Poké Ball it will fly off the screen. It then returns with a large swarm similar to what {{p|Beedrill}} did in the original [[Super Smash Bros.]] The only difference is that Beedrill only attack from left or right while Unown can come from any direction. Any opponent caught in this is damaged and juggled.

There are also a number of Unown Pokéfloats. In the second half of the cycle, a number fly across the screen. Towards the end of the cycle, staying on the stage relies on hopping between the Unown.

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=2
|golddex=Their shapes look like {{wp|hieroglyph}}s on ancient tablets. It is said that the two are somehow related.
|silverdex=Its flat, thin body is always stuck on walls. Its shape appears to have some meaning.
|stadium2dex=Their shapes look like hieroglyphs on ancient tablets. It is said that the two are somehow related.
|crystaldex=Because different types of Unown exist, it is said that they must have a variety of abilities.
|rubydex=This Pokémon is shaped like ancient writing. It is a mystery as to which came first, the ancient writings or the various Unown. Research into this topic is ongoing but nothing is known.
|sapphiredex=This Pokémon is shaped like ancient writing. It is a mystery as to which came first, the ancient writings or the various Unown. Research into this topic is ongoing but nothing is known.
|emeralddex=This Pokémon is shaped like ancient text characters. Although research is ongoing, it is a mystery as to which came first, the ancient writings or the various Unown.
|firereddex=Its flat, thin body is always stuck on walls. Its shape appears to have some meaning.
|leafgreendex=Their shapes look like hieroglyphs on ancient tablets. It is said that the two are somehow related.
|diamonddex=Shaped like ancient writing, it is a huge mystery whether language or Unown came first.
|pearldex=They seem to communicate among each other telepathically. They are always found stuck on walls.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=Always |
gsarea=Inside [[Ruins of Alph]] |
crarity=Always |
carea=Inside [[Ruins of Alph]] |
frlgrarity=Always |
frlgarea=Inside [[Tanoby Chambers]] |
dprarity=Always |
dparea=[[Solaceon Ruins]] |
palarea=Forest |
}}

====In side games====

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobosphere (G) Endless Level 48 (N) Endless Level 83 (Y) Forever Level 48 (N) Endless Level 83 (Y) Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Unown Relic]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Aegis Cave]]
|}
In Pokémon Trozei, rounds at Mr. Who's den that contain Unown will include multiple forms at the same time.

Each form of Unown is found on different floors in the Unown Relic:

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Form
! Floors
!
! Form
! Floors
!
! Form
! Floors
!
! Form
! Floors
|-
| A
| 1, 7
|
| H
| 2, 8, 10
|
| O
| 1, 4, 10, 11
|
| V
| 3, 6, 10
|-
| B
| 1, 7
|
| I
| 3, 7, 9, 11
|
| P
| 2, 4, 9, 10
|
| W
| 6
|-
| C
| 1, 5, 6, 8, 11
|
| J
| 3, 5, 9, 10
|
| Q
| 5, 8, 10, 11
|
| X
| 2, 6
|-
| D
| 1, 8
|
| K
| 3, 7, 9, 11
|
| R
| 1, 5, 9
|
| Y
| 7
|-
| E
| 2, 6, 9, 11
|
| L
| 3, 9
|
| S
| 2, 5, 8, 9, 11
|
| Z
| 1, 7
|-
| F
| 2
|
| M
| 4, 8, 11
|
| T
| 3, 5, 10
|
| !
| 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
|-
| G
| 2, 5, 8, 11
|
| N
| 4, 10
|
| U
| 1, 6, 8
|
| ?
| 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP=48 |
Attack=72 |
Defense=48 |
SpAtk=72 |
SpDef=48 |
Speed=48 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Psychic|

Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |

notes=yes|
levitate=yes|
newground=1}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Unown}}

====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|psychic|4|2|Unown}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
None.

====By [[breeding]]====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
None.

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=psychic |
ndex=201 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate= 1.8% (A-Z) 0.1% (!?) |
area=Aged Chamber |
P1= What am I, you ask? |
P2= My HP has plunged to half... |
P3= I cannot go on... I have little power left... |
PL= I have leveled up. |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=A |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/0formes28}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=201|
name=Unown|
}}

====Unown's forms====
[[Image:201A.png]][[Image:201B.png]][[Image:201C.png]][[Image:201D.png]][[Image:201E.png]][[Image:201F.png]][[Image:201G.png]][[Image:201H.png]][[Image:201I.png]][[Image:201J.png]][[Image:201K.png]][[Image:201L.png]][[Image:201M.png]][[Image:201N.png]] [[Image:201O.png]][[Image:201P.png]][[Image:201Q.png]][[Image:201R.png]][[Image:201S.png]][[Image:201T.png]][[Image:201U.png]][[Image:201V.png]][[Image:201W.png]][[Image:201X.png]][[Image:201Y.png]][[Image:201Z.png]][[Image:201Exclamation.png]][[Image:201Question.png]]

==Trivia==
[[Image:Unreleased Unown.jpg|thumb|right|Unown 6?]]
*In [[Spell of the Unown]], [[Professor Oak]] had some pictures of [[Unreleased Pokémon|unreleased]] Unown on his computer. They resemble a few {{wp|Greek alphabet}} letters, especially σ (lowercase sigma), Σ (capital sigma), π (pi) and Ω (omega). The top-middle Unown may be also a variation of an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection, [[wp:Eye of Horus|the Eye of Horus]] or the Russian letter Я (ya). This may lead to the conclusion that there are more forms of Unown, being the prototypes of other known (or unknown) alphabets.
*In [[Generation II]], the Unown appear to be able to generate a radio signal, which the player can tune in to.
*In [[Spell of the Unown|the third movie]], [[Molly Hale]] owned a book that had Unown on the cover of it.
*It is the first non-legendary to be in a central role in a Pokémon movie.
*Unown and {{p|Ditto}} are the only two non-legendary, non-baby Pokémon that cannot breed with Ditto.
*Despite being in the book of legendary Pokémon, Unown is not considered a legendary Pokémon.
*Only the two punctuation Unown have half-closed eyes, the letters have fully open eyes.
*If a player does not have Unown's Pokédex data on a [[Generation II]] game when in Oak's lab in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], Unown's Pokédex number is listed as {{p2|Treecko|252}} instead of 201. This happens regardless of which Pokédex display mode is selected.
*The Q-shaped form of Unown resembles the symbols on {{p|Claydol}}'s chest.
* [[Palace Maven Spenser]] has markings on his arms that resemble the first form of the Unown alphabetically, Unown A.
*In [[Generation II]] there were only 26 forms of Unown consisting of the 26 letters of the alphabet. Two more forms were added in [[Generation III]].
===Origin===
Their appearances are corruptions of the modern {{wp|Latin alphabet}}. The shapes of the Unown are used like runes in the Pokémon world, although in [[Generation III]] their place has been taken by {{wp|Braille}}.
====Name origin====
Unown's name is a corruption of the word ''unknown''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Icognito - From ''Ikone'' (icon) and ''Inkognito'' (incognito).
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Zarbi - From the word ''bizarre'' in {{wp|verlan}}, a youth language.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 안농 ''Annong''

==External links==

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