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Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. If anything, I think it cements Emerald as canon by referencing both Aqua and Magma in a negative light. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::As for the redesign thing, I'm aware there were minor tweaks in most cases, but only once or twice did they take very durastic liberties, and it was only with Blue in HGSS and arguably the player characters off the top of my head. Try comparing pretty much any Gym Leader in ORAS to RSE...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::And ultimately, Steven only remains Champion at the end in RS. He relinquishes his title to Wallace during the Delta episode.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 14:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::The PWT in BW2 makes Emerald being canon even more likely. Blue is counted in the Champion Cup, implying they count current AND former Champions. Not only does Wallace appear, but he does so in the Champion Cup and using his Emerald appearance. It seems as if he became Champion in Emerald, then lost the title again to Steven, if he says he is Champion in HGSS on. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 17:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Speculation, speculation. The solid fact is that HGSS take place after the Hoenn games and Steven is the Champion - like RSORAS, unlike Emerald. (And have you really paid attention to ORAS? Steven doesn't relinquish his title, he suggests he ''may'' do something like that ''one day''; ''both'' Magma and Aqua are villains in both games, the only difference is which of them is the bigger threat and which reforms first). And, please, don't say there were never radical redesigns in the past, you're insulting everyone's intelligence (Blaine, Karen, the Rocket Executives, there are countless examples). Moreover, PWT is purely fan service and its canonicity is questionable; seriously, it has ''Giovanni'' waltzing around the place. Bottom line: as far as we know, remakes work now the same way they '''''always''''' did. You're desperately trying to find excuses to assume that Game Freak will for some reason change the way things have always been done and somehow deem that a ten year-old game is canon and the newest releases -- telling the same story -- are non-canon. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 20:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Giovanni was allowed to be Gym Leader in the first place, y'know, so I doubt anyone would bat an eye at him if he waltzed into the PWT. And since Driftveil was renovated for the purpose of hosting it, and the events with Colress there, I think it's canonical status is spoken for. Plus, the Rocket Execs? If you're referring to Proton and Petrel, the design was still used by Archer, so... there.And I'm not denying there weren't ANY radical redesigns, but they at least attempted to keep the same appearance with the majority of the characters. A good portion of THE ENTIRE CAST is radically altered and there's a blatent sense they aren't intended to look anyting like the originals (Contrast Emerald Brawly with ORAS Brawly, then GSC Brock with HGSS Brock for my point...) Lastly, I find it a bit hypocritical you'd put "No Speculation" on an article that has pretty much no basis for the placement of Pokemon XD. Im am not implying ORAS is non canon either. That's pure speculation on your part.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 22:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. If anything, I think it cements Emerald as canon by referencing both Aqua and Magma in a negative light. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::As for the redesign thing, I'm aware there were minor tweaks in most cases, but only once or twice did they take very durastic liberties, and it was only with Blue in HGSS and arguably the player characters off the top of my head. Try comparing pretty much any Gym Leader in ORAS to RSE...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::And ultimately, Steven only remains Champion at the end in RS. He relinquishes his title to Wallace during the Delta episode.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 14:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::The PWT in BW2 makes Emerald being canon even more likely. Blue is counted in the Champion Cup, implying they count current AND former Champions. Not only does Wallace appear, but he does so in the Champion Cup and using his Emerald appearance. It seems as if he became Champion in Emerald, then lost the title again to Steven, if he says he is Champion in HGSS on. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 17:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Speculation, speculation. The solid fact is that HGSS take place after the Hoenn games and Steven is the Champion - like RSORAS, unlike Emerald. (And have you really paid attention to ORAS? Steven doesn't relinquish his title, he suggests he ''may'' do something like that ''one day''; ''both'' Magma and Aqua are villains in both games, the only difference is which of them is the bigger threat and which reforms first). And, please, don't say there were never radical redesigns in the past, you're insulting everyone's intelligence (Blaine, Karen, the Rocket Executives, there are countless examples). Moreover, PWT is purely fan service and its canonicity is questionable; seriously, it has ''Giovanni'' waltzing around the place. Bottom line: as far as we know, remakes work now the same way they '''''always''''' did. You're desperately trying to find excuses to assume that Game Freak will for some reason change the way things have always been done and somehow deem that a ten year-old game is canon and the newest releases -- telling the same story -- are non-canon. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 20:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Giovanni was allowed to be Gym Leader in the first place, y'know, so I doubt anyone would bat an eye at him if he waltzed into the PWT. And since Driftveil was renovated for the purpose of hosting it, and the events with Colress there, I think it's canonical status is spoken for. Plus, the Rocket Execs? If you're referring to Proton and Petrel, the design was still used by Archer, so... there.And I'm not denying there weren't ANY radical redesigns, but they at least attempted to keep the same appearance. A good portion of THE ENTIRE CAST is radically altered and there's a blatent sense they aren't intended to look anyting like the originals (Contrast Emerald Brawly with ORAS Brawly, then GSC Brock with HGSS Brock for my point...) Lastly, I find it a bit hypocritical you'd put "No Speculation" on an article that has pretty much no basis for the placement of Pokemon XD. Im am not implying ORAS is non canon either. That's pure speculation on your part.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 22:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. If anything, I think it cements Emerald as canon by referencing both Aqua and Magma in a negative light. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::As for the redesign thing, I'm aware there were minor tweaks in most cases, but only once or twice did they take very durastic liberties, and it was only with Blue in HGSS and arguably the player characters off the top of my head. Try comparing pretty much any Gym Leader in ORAS to RSE...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::And ultimately, Steven only remains Champion at the end in RS. He relinquishes his title to Wallace during the Delta episode.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 14:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::The PWT in BW2 makes Emerald being canon even more likely. Blue is counted in the Champion Cup, implying they count current AND former Champions. Not only does Wallace appear, but he does so in the Champion Cup and using his Emerald appearance. It seems as if he became Champion in Emerald, then lost the title again to Steven, if he says he is Champion in HGSS on. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 17:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Speculation, speculation. The solid fact is that HGSS take place after the Hoenn games and Steven is the Champion - like RSORAS, unlike Emerald. (And have you really paid attention to ORAS? Steven doesn't relinquish his title, he suggests he ''may'' do something like that ''one day''; ''both'' Magma and Aqua are villains in both games, the only difference is which of them is the bigger threat and which reforms first). And, please, don't say there were never radical redesigns in the past, you're insulting everyone's intelligence (Blaine, Karen, the Rocket Executives, there are countless examples). Moreover, PWT is purely fan service and its canonicity is questionable; seriously, it has ''Giovanni'' waltzing around the place. Bottom line: as far as we know, remakes work now the same way they '''''always''''' did. You're desperately trying to find excuses to assume that Game Freak will for some reason change the way things have always been done and somehow deem that a ten year-old game is canon and the newest releases -- telling the same story -- are non-canon. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 20:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Giovanni was allowed to be Gym Leader in the first place, y'know, so I doubt anyone would bat an eye at him if he waltzed into the PWT. And since Driftveil was renovated for the purpose of hosting it, and the events with Colress there, I think it's canonical status is spoken for. Plus, the Rocket Execs? If you're referring to Proton and Petrel, the design was still used by Archer, so... there.
And I'm not denying there weren't ANY radical redesigns, but they at least attempted to keep the same appearance. A good portion of THE ENTIRE CAST is radically altered and there's a blatent sense they aren't intended to look anyting like the originals (Contrast Emerald Brawly with ORAS Brawly, then GSC Brock with HGSS Brock for my point...) Lastly, I find it a bit hypocritical you'd put "No Speculation" on an article that has pretty much no basis for the placement of Pokemon XD.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 22:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. If anything, I think it cements Emerald as canon by referencing both Aqua and Magma in a negative light. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::As for the redesign thing, I'm aware there were minor tweaks in most cases, but only once or twice did they take very durastic liberties, and it was only with Blue in HGSS and arguably the player characters. Try comparing pretty much any Gym Leader in ORAS to RSE...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Hwrdjacob: /* How ORAS fits into all of this */

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Hwrdjacob: /* How ORAS fits into all of this */

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made. Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== How ORAS fits into all of this ==

Now, as we all know, Kinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

2014-12-13T05:24:47Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Colosseum and XD */

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Hwrdjacob: /* Colosseum and XD */

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration.

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

--

My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

History of the Pokémon world

2014-12-13T05:20:21Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Trivia */ Agreed...

{{fan speculation}}

Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]] since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]].

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Please note that the below timeline is based on speculation and possible information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.
[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|thumb|290px|Palkia, Giratina and Dialga]]
* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, giving them power over {{wp|time}}, {{wp|space}}, and {{wp|antimatter}} respectively. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

*Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb|Red}} and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.
[[File:Regis.png|thumb|200px|The Legendary Golems: Regice, Registeel and Regirock]]

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and created the three golems- {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Griseous Orb}}s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species. The first humans also appeared around this time.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
**Team Plasma later used its DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of {{p|Genesect}} with cybernetic technology.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, and {{p|Archen}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].

* 10,000 years ago: During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

'''3000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Valuable item#Undella Town|Relic items]] are created.

'''3000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* The Kalos war occurred, the ultimate weapon was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and AZ was given eternal life.

'''2500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.

'''1500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]].
Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.

* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''1000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* {{p|Xerneas}} went to sleep in the form of a tree.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|290px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]] for its unforgivable misdeeds.
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by a long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented by a ninja.

'''c. 300 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] was built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.
* The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|First humans land on the Moon]].

'''17 years before [[Pokémon Colosseum]]:
* [[Wes]] is born.

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
* Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Frontier]] opens in [[Hoenn]].

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:'''
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son, however, later on, the rivalry is with {{ga|Wally}} instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''Between [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}} and [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* The [[Miracle Cycle|Bike Shop]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where he/she meets and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{P|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion him/herself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return in the [[Orre|Orre Region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* Team Plasma, under [[N]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh]]'s sister's {{p|Purrloin}}, and Hugh swears to one day get it back.

'''A few years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}}, {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with his/her Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which lead to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}}''':
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives his/her first Pokémon from Bianca in his/her hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving him/her. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem]]. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads him/her to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave his/her home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to his/her {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossils]] from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Pokéballs from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the "ultimate weapon" to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon omits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where he/she defeats the [[Elite Four]], becoming [[Champion]] of [[Kalos]].

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the games was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014.<ref>https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584/ Toshinobu Matsumiya's Tweet</ref>
*In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], [[Zinnia]] suggests the existence of another Hoenn region, indicating a [[wp:multiverse|multiverse]], which in turn may imply that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire take place in different timelines than do Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, and by extension the games in generation 4, generation 5, and Pokemon X and Y

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[de:Geschichte der Pokémon-Welt]]
[[it:Storia del mondo Pokémon]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝世界史]]

History of the Pokémon world

2014-12-13T02:36:23Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Trivia */

{{fan speculation}}

Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]] since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]].

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Please note that the below timeline is based on speculation and possible information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.
[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|thumb|290px|Palkia, Giratina and Dialga]]
* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, giving them power over {{wp|time}}, {{wp|space}}, and {{wp|antimatter}} respectively. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

*Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb|Red}} and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.
[[File:Regis.png|thumb|200px|The Legendary Golems: Regice, Registeel and Regirock]]

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and created the three golems- {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Griseous Orb}}s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species. The first humans also appeared around this time.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
**Team Plasma later used its DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of {{p|Genesect}} with cybernetic technology.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, and {{p|Archen}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].

* 10,000 years ago: During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

'''3000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Valuable item#Undella Town|Relic items]] are created.

'''3000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* The Kalos war occurred, the ultimate weapon was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and AZ was given eternal life.

'''2500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.

'''1500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]].
Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.

* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''1000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* {{p|Xerneas}} went to sleep in the form of a tree.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|290px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]] for its unforgivable misdeeds.
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by a long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented by a ninja.

'''c. 300 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] was built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.
* The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|First humans land on the Moon]].

'''17 years before [[Pokémon Colosseum]]:
* [[Wes]] is born.

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
* Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Frontier]] opens in [[Hoenn]].

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:'''
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son, however, later on, the rivalry is with {{ga|Wally}} instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''Between [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}} and [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* The [[Miracle Cycle|Bike Shop]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where he/she meets and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{P|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion him/herself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return in the [[Orre|Orre Region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* Team Plasma, under [[N]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh]]'s sister's {{p|Purrloin}}, and Hugh swears to one day get it back.

'''A few years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}}, {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with his/her Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which lead to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}}''':
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives his/her first Pokémon from Bianca in his/her hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving him/her. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem]]. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads him/her to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave his/her home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to his/her {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossils]] from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Pokéballs from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the "ultimate weapon" to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon omits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where he/she defeats the [[Elite Four]], becoming [[Champion]] of [[Kalos]].

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the games was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014.<ref>https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584/ Toshinobu Matsumiya's Tweet</ref>
*In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], [[Zinnia]] suggests the existence of a [[wp:multiverse|multiverse]], implying that the multiple versions and remakes take place in different timelines with parallel histories.

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[de:Geschichte der Pokémon-Welt]]
[[it:Storia del mondo Pokémon]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝世界史]]

History of the Pokémon world

2014-12-12T23:28:12Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Trivia */

{{fan speculation}}

Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]] since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]].

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Please note that the below timeline is based on speculation and possible information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.
[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|thumb|290px|Palkia, Giratina and Dialga]]
* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, giving them power over {{wp|time}}, {{wp|space}}, and {{wp|antimatter}} respectively. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

*Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb|Red}} and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.
[[File:Regis.png|thumb|200px|The Legendary Golems: Regice, Registeel and Regirock]]

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and created the three golems- {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Griseous Orb}}s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species. The first humans also appeared around this time.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
**Team Plasma later used its DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of {{p|Genesect}} with cybernetic technology.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, and {{p|Archen}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].

* 10,000 years ago: During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

'''3000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Valuable item#Undella Town|Relic items]] are created.

'''3000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* The Kalos war occurred, the ultimate weapon was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and AZ was given eternal life.

'''2500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.

'''1500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]].
Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.

* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''1000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* {{p|Xerneas}} went to sleep in the form of a tree.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|290px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]] for its unforgivable misdeeds.
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by a long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented by a ninja.

'''c. 300 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] was built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.
* The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|First humans land on the Moon]].

'''17 years before [[Pokémon Colosseum]]:
* [[Wes]] is born.

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
* Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Frontier]] opens in [[Hoenn]].

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:'''
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son, however, later on, the rivalry is with {{ga|Wally}} instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''Between [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}} and [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* The [[Miracle Cycle|Bike Shop]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where he/she meets and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{P|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion him/herself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return in the [[Orre|Orre Region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* Team Plasma, under [[N]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh]]'s sister's {{p|Purrloin}}, and Hugh swears to one day get it back.

'''A few years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}}, {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with his/her Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which lead to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}}''':
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives his/her first Pokémon from Bianca in his/her hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving him/her. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem]]. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads him/her to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave his/her home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to his/her {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossils]] from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Pokéballs from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the "ultimate weapon" to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon omits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where he/she defeats the [[Elite Four]], becoming [[Champion]] of [[Kalos]].

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the games was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014.<ref>https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584/ Toshinobu Matsumiya's Tweet</ref>
*It has been speculated ORAS is not a retcon of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald's events, but is rather an alternate universe in a seperate timeline from the other games, based on a quote from Zinna.
==References==
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History of the Pokémon world

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{{fan speculation}}

Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]] since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]].

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Please note that the below timeline is based on speculation and possible information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.
[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|thumb|290px|Palkia, Giratina and Dialga]]
* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, giving them power over {{wp|time}}, {{wp|space}}, and {{wp|antimatter}} respectively. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

*Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb|Red}} and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.
[[File:Regis.png|thumb|200px|The Legendary Golems: Regice, Registeel and Regirock]]

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and created the three golems- {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Griseous Orb}}s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species. The first humans also appeared around this time.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
**Team Plasma later used its DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of {{p|Genesect}} with cybernetic technology.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, and {{p|Archen}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].

* 10,000 years ago: During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

'''3000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Valuable item#Undella Town|Relic items]] are created.

'''3000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* The Kalos war occurred, the ultimate weapon was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and AZ was given eternal life.

'''2500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''

* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.

'''1500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''

* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]].
Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.

* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''1000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''

* {{p|Xerneas}} went to sleep in the form of a tree.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|290px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]] for its unforgivable misdeeds.
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by a long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented by a ninja.

'''c. 300 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] was built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.
* The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|First humans land on the Moon]].

'''17 years before [[Pokémon Colosseum]]:
* [[Wes]] is born.

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
* Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Frontier]] opens in [[Hoenn]].

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:'''
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son, however, later on, the rivalry is with {{ga|Wally}} instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''Between [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}} and [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* The [[Miracle Cycle|Bike Shop]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where he/she meets and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{P|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion him/herself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return in the [[Orre|Orre Region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* Team Plasma, under [[N]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh]]'s sister's {{p|Purrloin}}, and Hugh swears to one day get it back.

'''A few years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}}, {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with his/her Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which lead to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}}''':
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives his/her first Pokémon from Bianca in his/her hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving him/her. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem]]. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads him/her to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave his/her home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to his/her {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossils]] from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Pokéballs from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the "ultimate weapon" to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon omits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where he/she defeats the [[Elite Four]], becoming [[Champion]] of [[Kalos]].

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the games was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014.<ref>https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584/ Toshinobu Matsumiya's Tweet</ref>
*It has been speculated ORAS is not a retcon of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald's events, but is rather an alternate universe in a seperate timeline from the other games, based on a quote from Zinna. <ref>http://i.imgur.com/uHEi68i.jpg</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[de:Geschichte der Pokémon-Welt]]
[[it:Storia del mondo Pokémon]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝世界史]]

User talk:Glik/Archive Oct 2013-July 2015

2014-03-24T08:39:36Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Mother 3 and other franchises */

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== The Preview Button ==
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Mother 3 and other franchises ==
Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And furthermore, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owned by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic.
{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:First, I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out which copyrights are held by Nintendo and which are held by developers. I don't care if you think it's dumb; I didn't make the rule, bring it up with the staff if you don't like it. Second, Smash Bros. is not even remotely like putting copyrighted characters as origin inspiration: Smash Bros ''has Pokémon properties in it''. Finally, use the preview button more often. It's annoying to have to keep retyping a message because you found a typo in your last message or you forgot to sign. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 01:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, are we supposed to ignore the various references to other Nintendo owned franchises? Like the Mario game in the Department store, the NES,GCN,Wii, etc., and of course the ''painfully'' blatant origin of Excadrill? It's not like Mewtwo where it was broad strokes; the resemblance is astonishing. What about the move Round? Or here's a good question: why is Pulseman on the wiki? If Pokemon references something, it ''references'' something. Oh, and there's a whole page dedicated to references to popular culture, almost none of which are owned by Nintendo. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 08:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Mother 3 and other franchises ==
Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And furthermore, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owned by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic.
{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:First, I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out which copyrights are held by Nintendo and which are held by developers. I don't care if you think it's dumb; I didn't make the rule, bring it up with the staff if you don't like it. Second, Smash Bros. is not even remotely like putting copyrighted characters as origin inspiration: Smash Bros ''has Pokémon properties in it''. Finally, use the preview button more often. It's annoying to have to keep retyping a message because you found a typo in your last message or you forgot to sign. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 01:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, are we supposed to ignore the various references to other Nintendo owned franchises? Like the Mario game in the Department store, the NES,GCN,Wii, etc., and of course the ''painfully'' blatant origin of Excadrill? It's not like Mewtwo where it was broad strokes; the resemblance is astonishing. Or here's a good question: why is Pulseman on the wiki? If Pokemon references something, it ''references'' something. Oh, and there's a whole page dedicated to references to popular culture, almost none of which are owned by Nintendo. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 08:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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2014-03-24T08:07:04Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Excadrill Origin */

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==
Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And furthermore, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owned by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic.
{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:First, I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out which copyrights are held by Nintendo and which are held by developers. I don't care if you think it's dumb; I didn't make the rule, bring it up with the staff if you don't like it. Second, Smash Bros. is not even remotely like putting copyrighted characters as origin inspiration: Smash Bros ''has Pokémon properties in it''. Finally, use the preview button more often. It's annoying to have to keep retyping a message because you found a typo in your last message or you forgot to sign. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 01:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, are we supposed to ignore the various references to other Nintendo owned franchises? Like the Mario game in the Department store, the NES,GCN,Wii, etc., and of course the ''painfully'' blatant origin of Excadrill? It's not like Mewtwo where it was broad strokes; the resemblance is astonishing. Or here's a good question: why is Pulseman on the wiki? If Pokemon references something, it ''references'' something. Oh, and there's a whole page dedicated to references to popular culture, almost none of which are owned by Nintendo. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 08:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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2014-03-24T01:01:41Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Excadrill Origin */

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And furthermore, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owned by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic.
{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}

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2014-03-24T01:00:46Z

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
And furthurmor, Game Freak doesn't really matter at all when it comes to copyrights. They only have a small fraction of the claims to Pokemon and Mother: Nintendo owns everything about the two. Therefore, it seems stupid to me that we cannot cross reference something related to Pokemon AND owened by the same company, who referenced themselves in the first place. Smash Bros. would not be allowed on this wiki using this logic.

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2014-03-24T00:44:18Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Excadrill Origin */

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?{{unsigned|Hwrdjacob}}
:As I said in the edit summary, Game Freak didn't have a part in Mother ''3''. Staff have previously removed copyrighted material from origin sections, including the Mother series (see {{p|Mewtwo}}'s history).

:Also, if you forget to sign a comment the first time, you're supposed to use the <nowiki>{{unsigned|User}}</nowiki> template instead of signing afterwards, as it messes up the time stamps. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Nintendo Copyrights?--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 00:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?
--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 23:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and/or created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?

User talk:Glik/Archive Oct 2013-July 2015

2014-03-23T23:21:44Z

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and/or cheifly Nintendo owned and created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?

User talk:Glik/Archive Oct 2013-July 2015

2014-03-23T23:21:04Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Excadrill Origin */ new section

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== Clothing ==

I noticed you're heavly editing the Clothing page. I would like to also contribute I'm not sure what kind of sorting you're using to organized the page. Could you please look at the [[Talk:Clothing]] and answer me there? --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 16:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== James Turner ==

What is your source dat James Turner made Goomy and Sliggoo? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 18:08, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just a few discussions on /vp/. Like I said, not reliable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

== Lumiose Trainers ==

Not trying to be argumentative with people, just trying to figure things out. Why are some trainers noted under the locations section and others are further down the page under a Trainers section? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hmm, hadn't noticed them. Per [[Project Locations]], all Trainers should go beneath places of interest, items and Pokémon (Project Towns and Cities doesn't mention Trainers in its structure, so Locations takes over). The restaurant Trainers should be put under their own headers under the Trainer section. And that one Lumi Cab Driver, who's using the wrong template. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Biologies ==

Hi! This is specifically about {{p|Starly}} eating the berries from {{p|Grotle}}. With the way we're doing biologies now, references are extremely important. We really shouldn't have anything mentioned at all that doesn't have a reference or a picture on the page. In the future, please try to track down the source of the information specifically or add a picture showing it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
:Aight. I don't touch Biology much, since I know the format was changed recently and there's still a number of pages that haven't been changed. I just saw your summary saying you needed a reference, so did a quick check; the picture on Grotle's page wasn't used on another page and I didn't see it mentioned on Ash's Torterra, so didn't have a clue where it came from. And I didn't think pictures (especially one centering more on a different Pokémon) would be wanted in the section. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert my edits, the Scraggy line, Reshiram and Zekrom's types are no longer unique. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Because it doesn't matter if they're no longer unique, the trivia point is solely about the introduction of new unique combinations. It's like saying Generation I introduced the most Normal-types, including those later changed to Fairy; the trivium has nothing to do with what happened to them later, and adding it only confuses the point. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

::Oh yes, it didn't matter about type combinations so only when introduced right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proper nouns ==

In regards to the TCG, both Series and Era are proper nouns, and should be capitalized at all times. This is, however, different from the anime, where series is not capitalized. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:My bad. I thought I saw the Original Series box use lowercase, so I assumed, it being the first, that it wasn't capitalized like all the following Series. Does that mean the TCG Releases template needs to have Era capitalized? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 04:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== A little note ==

Just so you know, it is probably a better idea to post to someone's talk page if it seems they aren't looking at the edit summaries. A new user may not think to look there, or they may not have even gone on the recent changes page to see the summaries. They could very well be refreshing the talk page to see if someone responds to their post and not even looking at the recent changes. Just something to keep in mind. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:I was actually making a message to them after the second time; I checked to make sure no one beat me to it (since I'm rather slow on a phone), when I saw they added it back and did a quick revert. And I now see you have indeed beaten me to the punch. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Geez, I always forget those pronouns... thanks for catching them. You'd better keep watching, with my track record... haha. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:No prob. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Mind if I help add PMD1 move descriptions? I know you've been adding them over the past couple of months, so I thought I'd ask first to make sure I wouldn't be interfering with anything.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Nah, go ahead. I've been keeping track of items found in the dungeons, which stretches out dungeon crawls a lot, so getting more moves takes me a long time. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== {{p|Vivillon|Viviyon}} name origin ==

I added the ll note so people can understand why the "y" is there. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yamitora1 brought up the name pronunciation on the talk page a while back and asked if it was notable. Funktastic pretty much said "Not really, that's how French works" and I agree. We already note that papillon is a French word, I don't think we should have to tell people how the French pronounce their letters (and if I recall correctly, "ll" is actually a different letter from "l" in romance languages, so it'd probably turn into a grammar lesson). Plus, the way you put it looked like it was saying there's an English sound in a Japanese word. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::I meant why the "y" is in "Viviyon". [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
:::...That's what I just said. The "yon" sound comes from papillon, which doesn't need further explanation. The trademarked name isn't actually an English word, it's a Japanese word spelled with Roman characters; it uses whichever letters it needs to to get the intended sound. ''That's'' why there's a y in it: the Japanese name uses characters that make a "yon" or "yah" sound or something like that, which is there because of papillon. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

== Excadrill Origin ==

Game Freak did infact develop both Mother and Mother 2, more infamously known as EarthBound, under the company name of Ape Inc. Regardless, Both Pokemon and Mother/EarthBound are first,foremost and cheifly Nintendo owned and created franchises, so shouldn't any ''native'' copyrights be valid? Do we have to avoid talking about Mario, too?

Excadrill (Pokémon)

2014-03-23T22:54:26Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Excadrill | prev=Drilbur | next=Audino | prevnum=529 | nextnum=531 | type=Ground | type2=Steel }}
{{Pokémon Infobox|
name=Excadrill |
jname=ドリュウズ |
jtranslit=Doryūzu |
tmname=Doryuzu |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|do-ryuu-zoo}}}''</sc> |
species=Subterrene |
typebox=1 |
type1=Ground |
type2=Steel |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sand Rush |
ability2=Sand Force |
abilityd=Mold Breaker |
ndex=530 |
udex=036 |
u2dex=077 |
height-ftin=2'04" |
height-m=0.7 |
weight-lbs=89.1 |
weight-kg=40.4 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field|
eggcycles=21|
expyield=178 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Gray|
catchrate=60|
evtotal=2|
evat=2|
body=12 |
pokefordex=excadrill |
generation=5 |
friendship=70|
}}
'''Excadrill''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドリュウズ''' ''Doryuzu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ground|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Drilbur}} starting at [[level]] 31.

==Biology==
Excadrill has a dark brown body with diagonal, red splotches. Three markings are on its front, with two under each arm, and two on its back. It has short legs with small, narrow feet, each containing three toes. Its small white face is long and thin, tipped by its pink nose. Its eyes are set back, on either side of the bridge of the nose. Under them, on each side, are two thin, red stripes. A large blade roughly twice as large as its face extends from its forehead. The top of the blade contains two smaller blades, resembling fins. Its arms are thick and have three large blades instead of fingers, with two smaller blades on top of the middle ones. On its knees, halfway down its arm, and just behind where its forehead meets its face, are small red spots.

Excadrill can straighten its entire body, allowing it to spin like a drill. It has the ability to cut through iron and steel plating. It uses its excellent digging abilities to build complex tunnels for its nest at more than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface. Its tunneling can be both beneficial and harmful to humans, as it can help workers with its swift digging prowess, but it can be detrimental to underground structures, such as Subway tunnels.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Excadrill.png|thumb|left|250px|Excadrill in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Iris's Excadrill]]====
{{TP|Iris|Excadrill}} debuted in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]'' under the ownership of {{an|Iris}}. It is a powerful Pokémon. When it first appeared, Excadrill was disobedient. However, in ''[[BW033|Iris and Excadrill Against the Dragon Buster!]]'', the cause of the disobedience was discovered. When {{an|Iris}} battled [[Drayden]] with Excadrill, it was defeated by his {{p|Haxorus}}. The major loss changed him from an obedient and happy Pokémon to a disobedient one. After some training with Iris, Excadrill became obedient once again.

====Other====
An Excadrill appeared in ''[[BW061|Battling the King of the Mines!]]'' under the ownership of [[Clay]]. It defeated [[Ash's Snivy]] in a [[Gym]] battle, but was later defeated by Ash's newly-evolved {{AP|Boldore}}.

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW009|Excadrill|Ash's Pokédex|Excadrill, the Subterrene Pokémon, and the evolved form of Drilbur. Excadrill can dig maze-like underground tunnels for over 100 meters and is powerful enough to cut through thick iron plates using its steel claws.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Monta Excadrill.png|thumb|Excadrill in [[Be a Master!! Pokémon BW]]]]
===In the Be a Master!! Pokémon BW manga===
In [[PBW3]], [[Monta]] captured one using his {{p|Snivy}}.

===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[Hilgreitz]] has an Excadrill which he can use as a [[Burst]] form.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[Clay]] has an Excadrill which was first seen guarding the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Dark Stone}} along with Clay's other Pokémon.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Excadrill (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Ground
|type2=Steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=It can help in tunnel construction. Its drill has evolved into steel strong enough to bore through iron plates.
|whitedex=More than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface, they build mazelike nests. Their activity can be destructive to subway tunnels.
|b2w2dex=Forming a drill with its steel claws and head, it can bore through a steel plate, no matter how thick it is.
|xdex=It can help in tunnel construction. Its drill has evolved into steel strong enough to bore through iron plates.
|ydex=More than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface they build mazelike nests. Their activity can be destructive to subway tunnels.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Ground|
type2=Steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Rare|
bwarea=[[Challenger's Cave]], {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, [[Giant Chasm]] |
b2w2rarity=Common Always |
b2w2area=[[Clay Tunnel]], [[Twist Mountain]], {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} ({{DL|Phenomenon|Dust cloud|Dust Cloud}}) [[Reversal Mountain]], [[Wellspring Cave]], [[Seaside Cave]], [[Giant Chasm]] ({{DL|Phenomenon|Dust cloud|Dust Cloud}}) |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=ground
|type2=steel
|rumble2=Cave: [[Shimmering Lake]], [[World Axle - B2F]]
|mdgti=[[Crags of Lament]], [[Mountain Pass]], [[Poké Forest]], [[Strongest Trail]], [[Mount Tepid]], [[Freezing Pillar]], [[Rusty Mountain]], [[Jaws of the Abyss]] (Golden Chamber), [[Smoking Mountain]], [[Cape at the Edge]], [[Tempting Path]], Magnagate dungeons, [[Moonlit Forest]] (Mapless Street)
|conquest=[[Terrera]] [[Valora]]
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Ground|
type2=Steel|
HP=110|
Attack=135|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=65|
Speed=88}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|Normal= 50
|Fighting= 200
|Flying= 50
|Poison= 0
|Ground= 200
|Rock= 25
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 50

|Fire= 200
|Water= 200
|Grass= 100
|Electric= 0
|Psychic= 50
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 50
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 50
|notes=yes
|ringtarget=yes
|ringtargetnote={{typecolor|Poison}}- and {{typecolor2|Electric}} moves will become ½× and 1×, respectively
|gen5dark=yes
|gen5ghost=yes
|olddark=½
|oldghost2=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rototiller|Ground|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Horn Drill|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|55|Drill Run|Ground|Physical|80|95|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|62|Fissure|Ground|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|322|Numel}}{{MSP|323|Camerupt}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Excadrill|ground|steel|6|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Excadrill|ground|steel|6|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Ground |
type2=Steel |
ndex=530 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=5 |
rumble2defense=2 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=He likes the texture of the soil in the [[Arbor Area]]. He wants to let {{p|Drilbur}} in the [[Cove Area]] know about the soil. |
Park2strong=[[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]] |
Park2weak=[[File:Pikachu icon.png|link=Pikachu (Pokémon)]] |
Conquest=yes |
ConquestAtk=5 |
ConquestSpd=4 |
ConquestDef=2 |
ConquestHP=5 |
ConquestRange=3 |
ConquestMove={{m|Drill Run}} |
ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Sand Pit}} |
ConquestAbility2={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Stealth}} |
ConquestAbility3={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Run Up}} |
ConquestEvo=Evolves from {{p|Drilbur}} when its Attack is 97 or higher |
ConquestLink={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Asahi}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kei}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Naka}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Ume}}
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox-2
|pictype=art
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|no1=529
|name1=Drilbur
|type1-1=Ground
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 31}}
|no2=530
|name2=Excadrill
|type1-2=Ground
|type2-2=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=ground |
type2=steel |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Excadrill |
ndex=530
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:BW Prerelease double battle.png|250x|thumb|A screenshot depicting Excadrill's earlier design]]
* Excadrill has the highest {{stat|HP}} base stat of all Steel-type Pokémon.
* Its base HP stat is the same as that of [[Excadrill (Emerging Powers 56)|its first TCG counterpart]].
* In [[Pokémon Black and White beta|early promotional videos for Black and White]], Excadrill had mirrored markings on its midsection, as well as having a different colored body.
* Excadrill is the only Pokémon with a base stat total of 508.

===Origin===
Excadrill is based on a {{wp|mole (animal)|mole}} with characteristics of digging tools such as shovels and drills.
It also heavily resembles the Reconstructed Mole enemy from the 2006 video game ''Mother 3'', which was developed by Nintendo and Game Freak. Fans of both franchises have pointed out numerous alleged references to ''Mother 3'' in Gen 5, this being one of them. It furthermore is perceved as a possible reference to the titular ''Drill Dozer'' from the 2006 video game of the same name, which again was developed by Nintendo and Game Freak.

====Name origin====
Excadrill might be a combination of ''excavate'' and ''drill''.

Doryuzu may be a combination of ドリル ''drill'', meaning "drill", 竜 ''ryu'' as in on'yomi reading of 土竜 ''doryu'', meaning "mole", and 渦 ''uzu'', meaning "spiral" or "swirl".

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ground|type2=steel
|ja=ドリュウズ ''Doryuzu''|jameaning=From ドリル ''drill'', {{tt|竜 ''ryu''|on'yomi reading of 土竜 doryu, meaning mole}}, and {{tt|渦 uzu|spiral or swirl}}
|de=Stalobor|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Stahl|steel}}'' and ''{{tt|Bohrer|drill}}''
|fr=Minotaupe|frmeaning=From ''mine'', ''{{tt|taupe|mole}}'', and ''{{tt|minotaure|minotaur}}''
|es=Excadrill|esmeaning=Same as English name
|it=Excadrill|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=몰드류 ''Moldrew''|komeaning=From ''mole'', ''drill'', and ''screw''
|zh_cmn=龍頭地鼠 / 龙头地鼠 ''Lóngtóudìshǔ''|zh_cmnmeaning=From the Japanese {{tt|竜頭 ''ryūzu''|Literally ''dragon head''}}, {{tt|地 ''dì''|ground}}, {{tt|鼠 ''shǔ''|rodent}}, and {{tt|地鼠 ''dìshǔ''|mole}}.
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Iris's Excadrill]]


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Drilbur | next=Audino | prevnum=529 | nextnum=531 | type=Ground | type2=Steel }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[it:Excadrill]]


[[de:Stalobor]]
[[es:Excadrill]]
[[fr:Minotaupe]]
[[ja:ドリュウズ]]
[[pl:Excadrill]]
[[zh:龙头地鼠]]

Excadrill (Pokémon)

2014-03-23T22:51:41Z

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{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Excadrill | prev=Drilbur | next=Audino | prevnum=529 | nextnum=531 | type=Ground | type2=Steel }}
{{Pokémon Infobox|
name=Excadrill |
jname=ドリュウズ |
jtranslit=Doryūzu |
tmname=Doryuzu |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|do-ryuu-zoo}}}''</sc> |
species=Subterrene |
typebox=1 |
type1=Ground |
type2=Steel |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sand Rush |
ability2=Sand Force |
abilityd=Mold Breaker |
ndex=530 |
udex=036 |
u2dex=077 |
height-ftin=2'04" |
height-m=0.7 |
weight-lbs=89.1 |
weight-kg=40.4 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field|
eggcycles=21|
expyield=178 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Gray|
catchrate=60|
evtotal=2|
evat=2|
body=12 |
pokefordex=excadrill |
generation=5 |
friendship=70|
}}
'''Excadrill''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドリュウズ''' ''Doryuzu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ground|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Drilbur}} starting at [[level]] 31.

==Biology==
Excadrill has a dark brown body with diagonal, red splotches. Three markings are on its front, with two under each arm, and two on its back. It has short legs with small, narrow feet, each containing three toes. Its small white face is long and thin, tipped by its pink nose. Its eyes are set back, on either side of the bridge of the nose. Under them, on each side, are two thin, red stripes. A large blade roughly twice as large as its face extends from its forehead. The top of the blade contains two smaller blades, resembling fins. Its arms are thick and have three large blades instead of fingers, with two smaller blades on top of the middle ones. On its knees, halfway down its arm, and just behind where its forehead meets its face, are small red spots.

Excadrill can straighten its entire body, allowing it to spin like a drill. It has the ability to cut through iron and steel plating. It uses its excellent digging abilities to build complex tunnels for its nest at more than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface. Its tunneling can be both beneficial and harmful to humans, as it can help workers with its swift digging prowess, but it can be detrimental to underground structures, such as Subway tunnels.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Excadrill.png|thumb|left|250px|Excadrill in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Iris's Excadrill]]====
{{TP|Iris|Excadrill}} debuted in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]'' under the ownership of {{an|Iris}}. It is a powerful Pokémon. When it first appeared, Excadrill was disobedient. However, in ''[[BW033|Iris and Excadrill Against the Dragon Buster!]]'', the cause of the disobedience was discovered. When {{an|Iris}} battled [[Drayden]] with Excadrill, it was defeated by his {{p|Haxorus}}. The major loss changed him from an obedient and happy Pokémon to a disobedient one. After some training with Iris, Excadrill became obedient once again.

====Other====
An Excadrill appeared in ''[[BW061|Battling the King of the Mines!]]'' under the ownership of [[Clay]]. It defeated [[Ash's Snivy]] in a [[Gym]] battle, but was later defeated by Ash's newly-evolved {{AP|Boldore}}.

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW009|Excadrill|Ash's Pokédex|Excadrill, the Subterrene Pokémon, and the evolved form of Drilbur. Excadrill can dig maze-like underground tunnels for over 100 meters and is powerful enough to cut through thick iron plates using its steel claws.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Monta Excadrill.png|thumb|Excadrill in [[Be a Master!! Pokémon BW]]]]
===In the Be a Master!! Pokémon BW manga===
In [[PBW3]], [[Monta]] captured one using his {{p|Snivy}}.

===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[Hilgreitz]] has an Excadrill which he can use as a [[Burst]] form.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[Clay]] has an Excadrill which was first seen guarding the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Dark Stone}} along with Clay's other Pokémon.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Excadrill (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Ground
|type2=Steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=It can help in tunnel construction. Its drill has evolved into steel strong enough to bore through iron plates.
|whitedex=More than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface, they build mazelike nests. Their activity can be destructive to subway tunnels.
|b2w2dex=Forming a drill with its steel claws and head, it can bore through a steel plate, no matter how thick it is.
|xdex=It can help in tunnel construction. Its drill has evolved into steel strong enough to bore through iron plates.
|ydex=More than {{tt|300 feet|91 meters}} below the surface they build mazelike nests. Their activity can be destructive to subway tunnels.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Ground|
type2=Steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Rare|
bwarea=[[Challenger's Cave]], {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, [[Giant Chasm]] |
b2w2rarity=Common Always |
b2w2area=[[Clay Tunnel]], [[Twist Mountain]], {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} ({{DL|Phenomenon|Dust cloud|Dust Cloud}}) [[Reversal Mountain]], [[Wellspring Cave]], [[Seaside Cave]], [[Giant Chasm]] ({{DL|Phenomenon|Dust cloud|Dust Cloud}}) |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=ground
|type2=steel
|rumble2=Cave: [[Shimmering Lake]], [[World Axle - B2F]]
|mdgti=[[Crags of Lament]], [[Mountain Pass]], [[Poké Forest]], [[Strongest Trail]], [[Mount Tepid]], [[Freezing Pillar]], [[Rusty Mountain]], [[Jaws of the Abyss]] (Golden Chamber), [[Smoking Mountain]], [[Cape at the Edge]], [[Tempting Path]], Magnagate dungeons, [[Moonlit Forest]] (Mapless Street)
|conquest=[[Terrera]] [[Valora]]
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Ground|
type2=Steel|
HP=110|
Attack=135|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=65|
Speed=88}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|Normal= 50
|Fighting= 200
|Flying= 50
|Poison= 0
|Ground= 200
|Rock= 25
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 50

|Fire= 200
|Water= 200
|Grass= 100
|Electric= 0
|Psychic= 50
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 50
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 50
|notes=yes
|ringtarget=yes
|ringtargetnote={{typecolor|Poison}}- and {{typecolor2|Electric}} moves will become ½× and 1×, respectively
|gen5dark=yes
|gen5ghost=yes
|olddark=½
|oldghost2=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rototiller|Ground|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Horn Drill|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|55|Drill Run|Ground|Physical|80|95|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|62|Fissure|Ground|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|322|Numel}}{{MSP|323|Camerupt}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Excadrill|Ground|Steel|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Excadrill|ground|steel|6|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Excadrill|ground|steel|6|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Ground |
type2=Steel |
ndex=530 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=5 |
rumble2defense=2 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=He likes the texture of the soil in the [[Arbor Area]]. He wants to let {{p|Drilbur}} in the [[Cove Area]] know about the soil. |
Park2strong=[[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]] |
Park2weak=[[File:Pikachu icon.png|link=Pikachu (Pokémon)]] |
Conquest=yes |
ConquestAtk=5 |
ConquestSpd=4 |
ConquestDef=2 |
ConquestHP=5 |
ConquestRange=3 |
ConquestMove={{m|Drill Run}} |
ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Sand Pit}} |
ConquestAbility2={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Stealth}} |
ConquestAbility3={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Run Up}} |
ConquestEvo=Evolves from {{p|Drilbur}} when its Attack is 97 or higher |
ConquestLink={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Asahi}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kei}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Naka}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Ume}}
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox-2
|pictype=art
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|no1=529
|name1=Drilbur
|type1-1=Ground
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 31}}
|no2=530
|name2=Excadrill
|type1-2=Ground
|type2-2=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=ground |
type2=steel |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Excadrill |
ndex=530
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:BW Prerelease double battle.png|250x|thumb|A screenshot depicting Excadrill's earlier design]]
* Excadrill has the highest {{stat|HP}} base stat of all Steel-type Pokémon.
* Its base HP stat is the same as that of [[Excadrill (Emerging Powers 56)|its first TCG counterpart]].
* In [[Pokémon Black and White beta|early promotional videos for Black and White]], Excadrill had mirrored markings on its midsection, as well as having a different colored body.
* Excadrill is the only Pokémon with a base stat total of 508.

===Origin===
Excadrill is based on a {{wp|mole (animal)|mole}} with characteristics of digging tools such as shovels and drills.
It also heavily resembles the Reconstructed Mole enemy from the 2006 video game Mother 3, which was developed by Nintendo and Game Freak. Fans of both franchises have pointed out numerous alleged references to Mother 3 in Gen 5, this being one of them.

====Name origin====
Excadrill might be a combination of ''excavate'' and ''drill''.

Doryuzu may be a combination of ドリル ''drill'', meaning "drill", 竜 ''ryu'' as in on'yomi reading of 土竜 ''doryu'', meaning "mole", and 渦 ''uzu'', meaning "spiral" or "swirl".

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=ground|type2=steel
|ja=ドリュウズ ''Doryuzu''|jameaning=From ドリル ''drill'', {{tt|竜 ''ryu''|on'yomi reading of 土竜 doryu, meaning mole}}, and {{tt|渦 uzu|spiral or swirl}}
|de=Stalobor|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Stahl|steel}}'' and ''{{tt|Bohrer|drill}}''
|fr=Minotaupe|frmeaning=From ''mine'', ''{{tt|taupe|mole}}'', and ''{{tt|minotaure|minotaur}}''
|es=Excadrill|esmeaning=Same as English name
|it=Excadrill|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=몰드류 ''Moldrew''|komeaning=From ''mole'', ''drill'', and ''screw''
|zh_cmn=龍頭地鼠 / 龙头地鼠 ''Lóngtóudìshǔ''|zh_cmnmeaning=From the Japanese {{tt|竜頭 ''ryūzu''|Literally ''dragon head''}}, {{tt|地 ''dì''|ground}}, {{tt|鼠 ''shǔ''|rodent}}, and {{tt|地鼠 ''dìshǔ''|mole}}.
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Iris's Excadrill]]


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Drilbur | next=Audino | prevnum=529 | nextnum=531 | type=Ground | type2=Steel }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[it:Excadrill]]


[[de:Stalobor]]
[[es:Excadrill]]
[[fr:Minotaupe]]
[[ja:ドリュウズ]]
[[pl:Excadrill]]
[[zh:龙头地鼠]]

Cassius

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Hwrdjacob: Undo revision 2039240 by Dennou Zenshi (talk) This is factual evidence overheard by Lumiose City Residents, not an opinion in any way, shape, or form.

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name=Cassius|
jname=クロケア|
tmname=Crocea|
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size=230px|
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gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown|
region=[[Kalos]]|
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generation={{gen|VI}} |
games={{pkmn|X and Y}} |
footnotes=}}
'''Cassius''' (Japanese: '''クロケア''' ''Crocea'') is a computer technician currently residing in [[Camphrier Town]] in [[Kalos]].

==In the games==
Cassius is the maintainer of the [[Pokémon Storage System]] in Kalos. He was asked by [[Bill]] to take on the role.


==Trivia==
*He is the only regional computer technician not to be affirmed as having created the system they maintain.

* A more accurate representation of the PC Creator archetype may be found in the Gym Leader Clemont, who is implied and mentioned to have invented or improved upon various major gameplay mechanics, including but not limited to, [[Super Training]] and the PSS.

==Names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{kalos color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
!Language
!Name
!Origin
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Japanese
| クロケア ''Crocea''
| From ''{{wp|Cassine (genus)|Cassine crocea}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| English
| Cassius
| From the genus ''Cassine'' and possibly ''{{wp|chassis}}'' or ''{{wp|Casio}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| French, German, Spanish
| Olivier
| Possibly from ''{{wp|IBM OLIVER (CICS interactive test/debug)|OLIVER}}'' or ''{{wp|Cassine laneana|Bermuda olivewood}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Italian
| Oliviero
| Possibly from ''OLIVER'' or ''Bermuda olivewood''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Korean
| 크로케아 ''Crocea''
| Same as Japanese name.

|}{{-}}

{{PCDevelopers|kalos}}
{{NPC|Kalos|kalos=yes}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:X and Y characters]]

[[de:Olivier]]


[[ja:クロケア]]
[[zh:福木]]

Cassius

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Hwrdjacob: /* Trivia */

{{CharInfobox|
color={{kalos color}}|
corecolor={{kalos color light}}|
bordercolor={{kalos color dark}}|
name=Cassius|
jname=クロケア|
tmname=Crocea|
image=None.png |
size=230px|
caption=|
gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown|
region=[[Kalos]]|
game=yes |
generation={{gen|VI}} |
games={{pkmn|X and Y}} |
footnotes=}}
'''Cassius''' (Japanese: '''クロケア''' ''Crocea'') is a computer technician currently residing in [[Camphrier Town]] in [[Kalos]].

==In the games==
Cassius is the maintainer of the [[Pokémon Storage System]] in Kalos. He was asked by [[Bill]] to take on the role.


==Trivia==
*He is the only regional computer technician not to be affirmed as having created the system they maintain.

* A more accurate representation of the PC Creator archetype may be found in the Gym Leader Clemont, who is implied and mentioned to have Invented or improved upon various major gameplay mechanics, including but not limited to, Super Training and the PSS.

==Names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{kalos color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
!Language
!Name
!Origin
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Japanese
| クロケア ''Crocea''
| From ''{{wp|Cassine (genus)|Cassine crocea}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| English
| Cassius
| From the genus ''Cassine'' and possibly ''{{wp|chassis}}'' or ''{{wp|Casio}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| French, German, Spanish
| Olivier
| Possibly from ''{{wp|IBM OLIVER (CICS interactive test/debug)|OLIVER}}'' or ''{{wp|Cassine laneana|Bermuda olivewood}}''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Italian
| Oliviero
| Possibly from ''OLIVER'' or ''Bermuda olivewood''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| Korean
| 크로케아 ''Crocea''
| Same as Japanese name.

|}{{-}}

{{PCDevelopers|kalos}}
{{NPC|Kalos|kalos=yes}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:X and Y characters]]

[[de:Olivier]]


[[ja:クロケア]]
[[zh:福木]]

Celio

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Hwrdjacob:

{{CharInfobox|
color={{Sevii color}} |
corecolor={{Sevii color light}} |
bordercolor={{Sevii color dark}} |
name=Celio |
jname=ニシキ |
tmname=Nishiki |
slogan=no |
image=Celio Sugimori Artwork.png|thumb |
size=150px |
caption=Ken Sugimori's art from the {{Trading Card Game}} |
age=no |
years= |
gender=Male |
birthday=November 12th |
blood=A |
colors=yes |
eyes=Brown |
hair=Brown |
hometown=[[One Island (town)]] |
region=[[Sevii Islands]] |
trainer=no |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Storage System|Storage System developer]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|III}} |
games=[[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]] |
leader=no |
anime=no |
manga=Adventures |
roundnum=PS270 |
roundname=The Swallowing Darkness |
}}
'''Celio''' (Japanese: '''ニシキ''' ''Nishiki'') is a Pokémon Storage System programmer in the [[Sevii Islands]] and good friend of [[Bill]].

==In the games==
Celio runs the [[Pokémon Net Center]] on [[Knot Island]] in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. He needs the {{player}}'s help to finish the incomplete Pokémon Network machine. This machine is capable of transferring Pokémon between [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]]. Communication with Hoenn will not function until the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Ruby}} and {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Sapphire}} have been collected by the player. To assist with this quest, Celio will give the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Rainbow Pass}} and upgrade the [[Town Map]] so it shows the locations of the final four (Non event) Sevii Islands. If the map had not previously been obtained, he will give the map for Kanto as well. According to Bill via the [[Fame Checker]], Celio was praising the work that the player had done for him.
===Sprites===
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|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Sevii color dark}}; background: #{{Sevii color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Celio OD.png]]
|- style="font-size: 80%;"
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
|}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Adventures storage system developers.png|thumb|right|Celio with [[Lanette]], [[Brigette]] and {{adv|Bill}} in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
In the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of the ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'' manga, {{adv|Red}}, {{adv|Blue}}, and {{adv|Bill}} visit Celio on [[Knot Island]] and leave an unconscious {{adv|Green}} in his care after she was attacked by {{adv|Deoxys}}. He later helped her escape, after she regained consciousness, by wrestling away the angry mob trying to capture her. Later, in [[PS295]], Celio aids Bill in removing the {{key|III|Ruby}} and {{key|III|Sapphire}} gems placed on an amplifier which allows Deoxys to assume its [[Form differences#Deoxys|Normal and Speed Formes]].

Celio made a cameo appearance in ''[[PS337|Epilogue]]'' on the [[Seagallop Ferry]] which sailed into the Battle Frontier.

===Pokémon===
{{TrainerPoké
|width=70
|trainer=Celio
|pkmn=Hoppip
|type1=Grass
|type2=Flying
|img=Celio Hoppip Adventures.png
|img_size=142px
|epnum=PS270
|epname=The Swallowing Darkness
|desc=Celio keeps this {{p|Hoppip}} at his house on [[Knot Island|One Island]].

None of Hoppip's moves are known.}}

==In the TCG==
The following are cards mentioning or featuring Celio or his services in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{{cardlist/header|Celio|Trainer|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX FireRed & LeafGreen|Celio's Network|88}}|type=Trainer|type2=Supporter|enset=EX FireRed & LeafGreen|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=88/112|jpset=Flight of Legends|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=079/082|ensetlink2=EX Trainer Kit 2|enset2=Minun Half Deck|ennum2=8/12|enset3=EX Crystal Guardians|enrarity3=Uncommon|ennum3=73/100|jpset3=Earth's Groudon ex Constructed Starter Deck|jpnum3=014/016|jpset4=Ocean's Kyogre ex Constructed Starter Deck|jpnum4=014/016}}
{{cardlist/footer|Trainer}}
==Trivia==
It is possible that he is loosely based on Steve Jobs, founder of Apple, to directly contrast Bill, who is named after and draws heavy inspiration from Bill Gates, Founder of Microsoft.

==Names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{Sevii color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{Sevii color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ニシキ ''Nishiki''
| From 錦木 ''Nishikigi'' ({{wp|Euonymus alatus|winged spindle}}) and possibly 二色空木 ''Nishiki-Utsugi'' (''{{wp|Weigela}} decora (Nakai)'').
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, German, Italian, Spanish
| Celio
| May refer to the acronym for the [http://lepac1.brodart.com/ Corps of Engineers Library Information Online].
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Ciléo
| A play on [[Bill]]'s French name, Léo. Also similar to his English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Korean
|서유석 ''Seo Yuseok''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Chinese (Taiwan)
|錦輝 ''Jǐnhuī''
|From the name 錦輝 ''Nishiki''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Chinese (Mainland China)
|阿锦 ''Ā Jǐn''
|From 錦 ''Nishiki''.
|}
{{-}}
{{-}}
{{PCDevelopers|sevii}} 
{{NPC|sevii|kanto=yes}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]

[[de:Celio]]
[[fr:Ciléo]]
[[it:Celio]]
[[ja:ニシキ]]
[[zh:阿錦]]

Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions

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{{Redirect|FireRed and LeafGreen|the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading Card Game}} expansion|EX FireRed & LeafGreen (TCG)}}
:''Not to be confused with the [[Greenleaf]] Kingdom.''
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|caption2=Pokémon LeafGreen Version's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Venusaur}}.
|jbox=FireRed JP boxart.png
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|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Firered.
|jcaption2=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Leafgreen.
|platform=[[Game Boy Advance]]
|category=RPG
|players=up to 5
|link_method=[[Link cable]], [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|Wireless Adapter]], [[e-Reader]]
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation III]] [[version|main series]]
|cero=All
|esrb=E
|pegi=3
|acb=G8+
|oflc=G8+
|release_date_ja=January 29, 2004<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/gba/fl/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref>
|release_date_na=September 9, 2004<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemontm-firered-version-and-pokemontm-leafgreen-version/ Pokémon.com (US)]</ref>
|release_date_au=September 23, 2004
|release_date_eu=October 1, 2004<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/games/videogame-pokemontm-firered-version-and-pokemontm-leafgreen-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref>
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/gba/fl/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/bprj/ Nintendo.co.jp]
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{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen}}
'''Pokémon FireRed Version''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|ポケットモンスターファイアレッド|Poketto Monsutā Faiareddo}}''' ''Pocket Monsters {{tt|Firered|It's the officially trademarked name, not spelled in CamelCase.}}'') and '''Pokémon LeafGreen Version''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|ポケットモンスターリーフグリーン|Poketto Monsutā Rīfugurīn}}''' ''Pocket Monsters {{tt|Leafgreen|It's the officially trademarked name, not spelled in CamelCase.}}'') are a pair of [[Version|main series]] [[Generation III]] games that are set in the [[Kanto]] [[region]]. They were released in Japan on January 29, 2004, in North America on September 9, 2004, in Australia on September 23, 2004 and in Europe on October 1, 2004.

By nature, the games are [[remake]]s of the original pair of Pokémon games, {{game|Red and Green|s|Pocket Monsters Red & Green}}, and so feature all of the characters, plot elements, and challenges of them, but with several important upgrades to bring them up to speed with other Generation III games.

The [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter]] was initially included with the games when they were first released, eliminating the need for [[link cable]]s when trading between the two games (and later {{game|Emerald||Pokémon Emerald Version}}). In later copies, it was sold separately.

FireRed and LeafGreen went on to become the second best-selling games of the [[Game Boy Advance]], only behind {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions}}. They also received [[Nintendo]]'s ''{{wp|Nintendo Selects|Player's Choice}}'' awards.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
The plot essentially follows the same storyline as [[Generation I]], with the {{player}} beginning in [[Pallet Town]]. After meeting [[Professor Oak]] while trying to leave for {{rt|1|Kanto}}, both the player and his or her [[rival]] are asked by Oak to choose a [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}}, from the desk near him. Oak allows the player to choose first and the [[rival]] quickly gets jealous, chooses the starter whose [[type]] weakens that of the player's, and challenges the player to a {{pkmn|battle}}. During this Pokémon battle [[Professor Oak]] commentates.

After the battle has ended, Oak allows the two new Trainers to leave for their journey across [[Kanto]]. Stopping off in [[Viridian City]]'s [[Poké Mart]], the player will find that a {{key|III|Oak's Parcel|package}} has come in for the professor, and the clerk asks that it be delivered to him. After this has been completed, the professor gives two [[Pokédex]]es, one for the player, and one for the rival, away to them, and sends them on their way. Viridian has a Gym; however, it is locked.

From here, the player has their first encounter with other Trainers, on {{rt|2|Kanto}} and in [[Viridian Forest]], and their first encounter with a [[Gym Leader]]: [[Brock]] the {{type|Rock}} Gym Leader of [[Pewter City]]. After his defeat, journeying along {{rt|3|Kanto}} and through [[Mt. Moon]] brings the player face to face with the regional [[villainous teams|villainous team]], [[Team Rocket]] attempting to extract rare [[Fossil]]s from the cave. Their defeat allows the player to continue through the cave, obtain the [[Dome Fossil]] or [[Helix Fossil]], and continue onto {{rt|4|Kanto}}, which leads directly into [[Cerulean City]], where another [[Gym]] is. This one, however, is run by [[Misty]], and specializes on {{type|Water}} Pokémon. To the north, as well, there are two [[route]]s leading up to [[Bill]]'s cottage, where he will give the player a ticket for the [[S.S. Anne]], a luxury ship moored in {{ci|Vermilion}} Harbor and filled with Trainers. Taking a shortcut through a house burglarized by Team Rocket, the player finally arrives at {{rt|5|Kanto}}.

After traveling down Routes 5 and {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, using the {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 5-6}} to bypass [[Saffron City]], the player finally arrives in {{ci|Vermilion}}. This city is home to another Pokémon Gym; however, the way to it is blocked by a small tree. The only thing to do is to show the ticket to the {{tc|Sailor}} guarding the harbor, allowing entry into the S.S. Anne. It is here, after assisting the captain with his seasickness, that the player will obtain the first of the seven [[HM|Hidden Machines]] available in the game, containing {{m|Cut}}. With this, and the {{Badge|Cascade}}, the tree blocking the way to Vermilion Gym can be easily cut through, and [[Lt. Surge]], a Gym Leader specializing in {{type|Electric}}s, can be challenged. From here, {{rt|11|Kanto}} beckons, as does [[Diglett's Cave]], through which is the only way to get back to {{rt|2|Kanto}}, and a second HM, containing {{m|Flash}} held by one of [[Professor Oak]]'s aids on {{rt|2|Kanto}}. The player takes a brief detour to Pewter City's museum's back entrance which was previously blocked due to a Cut-able tree, which can now easily be bypassed. The player obtains the [[Old Amber]] in the museum. Heading back to Diglett's Cave, and to Vermilion, the player must go to Cerulean and to the east, onto {{rt|9|Kanto}} and towards the [[Rock Tunnel]].

Rock Tunnel, a still undeveloped natural tunnel between the sections of {{rt|10|Kanto}}, is pitch black inside; for this reason, {{m|Flash}} is recommended, but not required, for navigation of it. Finally reaching [[Lavender Town]], the only town in Kanto without a Pokémon Gym besides Pallet, there is not much to do; the local [[Pokémon Tower]] is haunted. From here, {{rt|8|Kanto}} leads to Saffron City, but it again must be bypassed by way of another {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 7-8}}, which has its other entrance on {{rt|7|Kanto}}, on the west side of Saffron. [[Celadon City]], the home of the fourth Gym, specializing in {{type|Grass}} Pokémon is just a short walk further. Like the Vermilion Gym, the Celadon Gym also has a small tree blocking the way to its entrance, and an old man outside.

The [[Rocket Game Corner]] in Celadon is not what it appears to be. In fact, the Game Corner itself is merely the above ground portion of a sprawling underground complex: the [[Rocket Hideout]]. The Team Rocket boss, Giovanni, appears for the first time here, and after his defeat, flees, leaving behind a Silph Scope. A Silph Scope is required to fully navigate the Pokémon Tower inside of Lavender Town that the player encountered earlier.

After this, the Pokémon Tower can be navigated, and the ghosts haunting it are revealed to be {{p|Gastly}} and {{p|Haunter}}. In front of the stairs to the final floor, blocking the way, is also a final spirit, that of a deceased {{p|Marowak}} that was killed by Team Rocket when they captured her child. Making it all the way to the top reveals [[Mr. Fuji]] held hostage by Team Rocket grunts, who will leave when they are defeated. Fuji gives away the [[Poké Flute]], and with that, the {{p|Snorlax}} blocking {{rt|11|Kanto}} and {{rt|16|Kanto}} can finally be moved away. Another HM, containing {{m|Fly}}, can be obtained easily by cutting away a tree blocking the northern section of Route 16.

Now the player is presented with a choice of how to get to [[Fuchsia City]]. Traveling down either way the Snorlax are blocking, a faster way via Routes 16, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|18|Kanto}} on [[Kanto Route 17|Cycling Road]], or down the [[Silence Bridge]] of Routes {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|15|Kanto}}, inevitably brings one to the southernmost city in continental Kanto, [[Fuchsia City]], home of [[Koga]] of the {{t|Poison}}ous Fuchsia Gym and the [[Kanto Safari Zone]]. The Safari Zone is currently running a contest: the person to reach a specific rest house first will win yet another HM, containing {{m|Surf}}. Finding the [[Baoba|Safari Zone Warden]]'s {{key|III|Gold Teeth}} also will have him reward the player with the final of Kanto's HMs, containing {{m|Strength}}.

The player then goes back to either [[Celadon City]] or [[Lavender Town]], encountering the other {{p|Snorlax}} on the way back. After stopping off at the [[Celadon Condominiums|Celadon Mansion]] and getting some {{DL|Drink|Tea}}, Saffron City can finally be entered. However, Team Rocket is guarding almost every door in the city, including that of the local Pokémon Gym! One of the open buildings however, is the unofficial Fighting-type Pokémon Gym. After the player defeats the Fighting Dojo, he/she is entitled to either a {{p|Hitmonchan}} or a {{p|Hitmonlee}}. The city's centerpiece building, [[Silph Co.]]'s headquarters, has also been infiltrated by the organization, and at the top, waiting in the boardroom, is the Team Rocket Boss, [[Giovanni]], appearing for a second time, demanding that the president give him the [[Master Ball]] that the company had developed. After his defeat, he flees.

After Team Rocket clears out of [[Saffron City]], all buildings previously blocked are now open, as well as the Gym. The Gym Leader, [[Sabrina]], specializes in {{type|Psychic}}s. The floor, as well, is covered in warp tiles that make it difficult to navigate. After Sabrina's defeat, the player makes his/her way back to Fuchsia City again, and heads out to obtain the rest of the Badges.

With six Badges in hand, and five HMs in the {{key|III|TM Case}}, finally the player can adventure onto the open sea of Routes {{rtn|19|Kanto}} and {{rtn|20|Kanto}}. A short way across them, of course, is a minor obstacle: the [[Seafoam Islands]]. After they have been navigated through, the player can continue on Route 20 to [[Cinnabar Island]], home of [[Blaine]]'s {{type|Fire}} Gym. There are also several more facilities on the island, including one that actually revives Pokémon [[Fossil]]s. After Blaine's defeat, [[Bill]] shows up again, because he needs help in a small region south of Kanto, the [[Sevii Islands]]. If the player accepts, the [[Seagallop Ferry]] will travel to {{OBP|One Island|town}}, where a friend of Bill's, [[Celio]], is attempting to connect the islands' PC system to that of Kanto. During this, there is also a crisis in {{OBP|Two Island|town}}, where the daughter of the owner of the [[Joyful Game Corner]] has gone missing, and in {{OBP|Three Island|town}} where a group of invading {{tc|Biker}}s are causing trouble. After defeating them and finding the lost girl, [[Lostelle]], who is in [[Berry Forest]], Bill and the player will return to Kanto, where the final Gym, that of Viridian City, lies.

Finally unlocked, the Gym, whose leader specializes in {{type|Ground}}s, is revealed to be none other than the boss of Team Rocket himself, [[Giovanni]]! After his defeat, he vows to disband Team Rocket and disappears. Now with eight Badges, all that lies ahead is the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]], conveniently at the end of {{rt|23|Kanto}}.

The [[Elite Four]] await challengers, those who have proven themselves worthy by getting all eight Badges and making it through {{ka|Victory Road}} will face them, in order. [[Lorelei]], who [[Pokémon training|trains]] {{type|Ice}} Pokémon is first, followed by [[Bruno]], whose specialty is {{t|Fighting}}, [[Agatha]], whose specialty is {{t|Ghost}}, and finally [[Lance]], who specializes in {{type|Dragon}}s. After defeating these four, the reigning [[Pokémon Champion]] challenges the player to a final battle, and the Champion is none other than the player's own rival! After his defeat, Oak arrives and tells the player that they won because they care better for their Pokémon, and the player's current [[party]] are added to the [[Hall of Fame]].

===Postgame===
After the credits roll, the player is back in Pallet Town. [[Professor Oak]] will have the player come to his lab to check on the Pokédex, and if the player has caught at least 60 Pokémon, will upgrade it and ask for the player to return to the Sevii Islands to encounter Pokémon that Professor Oak has never before seen.

There is some more work that Celio needs to do on his network machine, as he wishes to link to yet [[Hoenn|another region]]. The signal, however, is not strong enough, and he needs the Ruby and the Sapphire, two items found in the Sevii Islands, to strengthen it. The Ruby is found deep in a cave in [[Mt. Ember]], which Team Rocket grunts have been seen fooling around with. The Sapphire lies at the deepest part of the [[Dotted Hole]] in [[Ruin Valley]]. The Ruby can be given to Celio without a hitch; however, the Sapphire, when found, is stolen by a {{tc|Scientist}} named [[Gideon]], who takes it back to Team Rocket's [[Rocket Warehouse|warehouse]] in the [[Five Isle Meadow]]. By infiltrating the warehouse and defeating the remaining Rocket Admins, they realize that Giovanni has disbanded Team Rocket. They do, however, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|vow to return one day]], and bring Team Rocket back to its glory. Gideon reluctantly gives back the Sapphire, and after this, trades are possible with the [[Hoenn]]-based {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. The Elite Four can once again be challenged, and their Pokémon are 12 levels higher, as well as some of them possessing new Pokémon. [[Cerulean Cave]], as well, is now open, and the powerful {{p|Mewtwo}} can be found there.

==Blurb==
Set off on a grand adventure to fulfil your dreams of becoming a [[Pokémon Master]]! Explore the [[Kanto]] region and discover wild Pokémon around every corner. Build your Pokémon collection and train and battle your way to success—earn your badges as you develop winning strategies to use against experienced [[Gym Leader]]s in every town. Explore every inch to uncover amazing secrets that will help you in your quest to be the very best trainer ever!
*Trade, battle, and chat wirelessly! All new [[Wireless Adapter]] comes packed in every game, so trainers can trade, battle, and chat between their FireRed and LeafGreen versions with no cables!
*Catch loads of Pokémon in never-before-seen island areas!
*Expand your collection when you trade with a friend. Link up with [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire]] or [[Pokémon Colosseum]] to catch them all!

==Changes from Pokémon Red and Green==
[[Image:FireRed First Battle.png|thumb|300px|The battle screen]]
* {{Player|Players}} can now play as a {{ga|Leaf|female character}} as an alternative to the {{ga|Red|male character}} that was the only option in [[Generation I]].
* As in all [[Generation III]] {{pkmn|games}}, Pokémon now have [[nature]]s, [[Ability|Abilities]], and [[gender]]s, and can [[held item|hold items]].
* A resume feature was introduced, allowing players to remember the four most important events they achieved in the games the last time they were played. Once the [[Elite Four]] has been defeated, the resume feature displays the last four notable things the player has done recently instead of showing a specific event.
* A game introduction feature, which explains the controls of the game, was added. This feature continued to appear in further games, except in {{v2|Emerald}}.
* A help feature was added that can be activated by pressing the L or R buttons on the console. There is also another help feature in the form of the {{key|III|Teachy TV}}, which is given by an {{ka|old man}} in [[Viridian City]].
* When entering certain locations, such as [[Viridian Forest]] or [[Diglett's Cave]], an image of the location appears.
* {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}} now are {{2t|Electric|Steel}}, as they have been since [[Generation II]]. In the original {{v2|Red and Green|s}} games, they were pure {{type|Electric}}. {{m|Bite}} is now a {{type|Dark}} move.
* Pokémon retain their Generation II and III [[evolution]]ary lines (e.g. {{p|Golbat}} can evolve into {{p|Crobat}}), but cannot evolve into these new stages until after the player has obtained the [[National Pokédex]]. {{p|Eevee}} is the only exception to this, since {{p|Espeon}} and {{p|Umbreon}} cannot be obtained due to the lack of a clock system in the game, and trading between the other Generation III games is required to obtain them.
* A new southern region, the [[Sevii Islands]], is accessible, where [[Generation II]] Pokémon can be caught. Notably, most of these Pokémon cannot be found in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}.
* [[Team Rocket]] has an expanded role in the game's post-Elite Four storyline, with a new base in the Sevii Islands.
* Battles with the wild [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}} feature a remixed battle theme. In addition, Moltres has moved from its original location in {{ka|Victory Road}} to [[Mt. Ember]]. [[Cerulean Cave]], where Mewtwo resides, now requires {{m|Rock Smash}} for navigation, and it cannot be entered until after the post-game mission in the Sevii Islands has been completed.
* One of [[Johto]]'s [[legendary beasts]] ({{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, or {{p|Suicune}}) will [[Roaming Pokémon|roam]] around Kanto after defeating the Elite Four and obtaining the National Pokédex. The beast that appears is the one that has a type advantage over the player's [[starter Pokémon]].
* [[Version-exclusive Pokémon]] and [[wild Pokémon]] distribution have been altered from the original games to account for new evolutions released in [[Generation II]].
* Pokémon can [[Pokémon breeding|breed]] in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}. The daycare on {{rt|5|Kanto}} remains, but it is still limited to only caring for one Pokémon at a time.
* The Ability {{a|Pickup}} has been modified from {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, which also includes that some of the [[Berry|Berries]] from those versions can be picked up in FireRed and LeafGreen. This is due to the inability to grow Berries in [[Kanto]]. The other Berries can only be collected by trading Pokémon from those versions as well as {{v2|Emerald}}.
* A man is present in a house in [[Cerulean City]] and will help create [[Berry Powder]] via [[Berry Crush]]. This powder can then be exchanged for rare and valuable items.
* {{pkmn|Trainer}}s outdoors can be rebattled using the [[Vs. Seeker]].
* Information on major characters, such as [[Gym Leader]]s, is recorded in the [[Fame Checker]].
* Three additional aides for Professor Oak have been added to reward the player with items that were introduced in Generations II and III, while a returning aid now gives out the {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Exp. Share}}, the upgraded version of the Generation I item {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Exp. All}}.
* Pokémon movelists are updated to include moves introduced in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]].
* The [[TM]] list is shared with other Generation III games. In addition, [[Move Tutor]]s become available to teach moves formerly contained in [[Generation I]] TMs.
* The [[Elite Four]] can be rebattled, and acquire {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} on their teams after the [[Sevii Islands]] quest has been completed.
* {{m|Blast Burn}}, {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, and {{m|Hydro Cannon}} are available as Move Tutor moves at [[Cape Brink]] on [[Boon Island|Two Island]]. They can only be taught to the final evolved form of the player's [[starter Pokémon]], or other members of that same species.
* There is a new minigame corner, the [[Joyful Game Corner]] on [[Boon Island|Two Island]], where players can connect together, along with {{v2|Emerald}}, and can play multiplayer minigames ([[Pokémon Jump]] and [[Dodrio Berry Picking]]) over the [[Wireless Adapter|wireless communication system]]. This feature becomes usable after the events at [[Kin Island]].
* In non-Japanese versions, dialogue is colored blue or red depending on whether the speaker is male or female, respectively. Text from other sources, such as signs, remains black.
* The music has been remixed to take advantage of the [[Game Boy Advance]]'s power; however, the themes themselves remain the same (including a few Gold/Silver/Crystal themes being utilized in Islands Four to Seven of the Sevii Islands.
** However, the [[Power Plant]] background music has been changed. In the original games, it played the [[Rocket Hideout]] theme, while in FireRed and LeafGreen, it plays the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} theme.
** In the original games, while battling the [[Elite Four]], only the battle with [[Lance]] used the Gym Leader background music; the standard Trainer background music was used for the other three Elite Four members. However, in FireRed and LeafGreen, the Gym Leader background music is used for all four Elite Four members.
** In the original games, when Professor Oak congratulates the player after becoming the Pokémon League Champion, a slower version of the Viridian/Pewter/Saffron City background music plays. However, in FireRed and LeafGreen, a happier-toned version of the Pallet Town background music plays when Professor Oak appears to congratulate the player.
* {{p|Ponyta}} and {{p|Magmar}} (LeafGreen only) have been moved to new locations. Ponyta is now located on One Island's [[Kindle Road]], and Magmar is now at [[Mt. Ember]]. In Generation I, they were both found in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on [[Cinnabar Island]].
* {{p|Deoxys}} debuts two new forms: Attack Forme (FireRed) and Defense Forme (LeafGreen), which appear exclusively in the respective games.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] in these games is very heavily similar to the one in the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}, which was never released outside of Japan. The only difference is the Generation III addition of {{m|Rock Smash}} boulders.

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation III]] which has that Pokémon available. In addition, {{p|Mew}}, several {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} and a majority of {{cat|Generation III Pokémon}} must be traded from a [[Hoenn]]-based game; only three Generation III Pokémon — {{p|Azurill}}, {{p|Wynaut}}, and {{p|Deoxys}} — can be obtained in FireRed and LeafGreen.
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{{Moveentrytm|023|Ekans|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|024|Arbok|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|182|Bellossom|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|054|Psyduck|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|055|Golduck|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|090|Shellder|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|091|Cloyster|2|Water|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|212|Scizor|2|Bug|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|239|Elekid|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|194|Wooper|2|Water|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|195|Quagsire|2|Water|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|211|Qwilfish|2|Water|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|||Attack}}
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{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|1|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|120|Staryu|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|121|Starmie|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|240|Magby|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|298|Azurill|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|183|Marill|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|184|Azumarill|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|215|Sneasel|2|Dark|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|223|Remoraid|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|224|Octillery|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|||Defense}}
|}
|}
|}

==Compatibility==
FireRed and LeafGreen were created as a result of the first [[Generation III]] games, {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, lacking backward compatibility with Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}}. [[trade|Trading]] between these games and the third Hoenn-based game, {{game|Emerald}}, is possible through the traditional [[link cable]]. Trading with other copies of FireRed or LeafGreen as well as with Emerald may also be done through the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]], though Ruby and Sapphire are not compatible with it. Using a GameCube-GBA cable, players may also trade party Pokémon with {{g|Colosseum}} and {{Pokémon XD}}, but only after the player has obtained the {{key|III|Ruby}} and {{key|III|Sapphire}} and given them to [[Celio]].

While FireRed and LeafGreen cannot trade directly with the [[Generation IV]] games {{game5|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, a player's Pokémon may be permanently transferred via [[Pal Park]], and some {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} can be found using [[dual-slot mode]]. Pokémon obtained in these games can be transferred forward to [[Generation V]] games by transferring through a Generation IV game.

==Reception==
FireRed and LeafGreen received strong sales. Over 800,000 copies were sold in Japan over the first week of release. This number was lower than that of counterparts {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}; this has been attributed to the fact that they are remakes.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/488/488976p1.html IGN: Pokemania] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Nintendo remarketed the games as "Player's Choice" two years after the initial release; this re-release did not include the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|Wireless Adapter]] that came with the original release.

The games were praised by critics for maintaining the same storyline as the original versions, and also for incorporating new events. Criticism was received, however, for the lack of graphical improvement from Ruby and Sapphire.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/544/544549p1.html IGN: Pokemon FireRed Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Generally, the games scored highly. ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' magazine gave them 4.5/5, and labeled the games as "great".<ref>''Nintendo Power'' magazine. Issue 184; page 123. October 2004.</ref>

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen}}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon FireRed & LeafGreen Music Super Complete}}
The soundtrack contains all of the background music from the games, composed by [[Junichi Masuda]], [[Gō Ichinose]], and [[Morikazu Aoki]]. Much of the music is remixed from ''[[Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD]]'', the soundtrack for {{game|Red and Green|s}} and {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.

==Beta elements==
{{main|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen beta}}

==Trivia==
[[File:S S Anne truck FRLG.png|thumb|270px|right|The infamous truck]]
* These games were the first remakes of Pokémon games, followed by the [[Generation II]] remakes {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
** A number of [[List of cross-generational references#To Generation II|references]] to the plot and characters of the [[Generation II]] games, {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, appear in these games.
* The LeafGreen [[Pokédex]] entries are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Blue|s}} as well as the [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Japanese Blue]] for the {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}}. The FireRed entries for the same Pokémon are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}.
* Even though {{game|Red and Blue|s|Red Version was paired with Blue Version}} outside Japan, LeafGreen was not retitled in its international release.
** According to [[Junichi Masuda]], LeafGreen was not retitled to match Blue internationally for the following reasons: A leaf is a symbol of peace, while fire and water are opposing concepts and thus would seem more like a conflict. A leaf is also an easier concept to grasp and translate into other languages, and in this world of conflicts, the creators wanted to give a name suggestive of a peaceful world. [[Game Freak]] also wanted a colorful drawing of a {{p|Bulbasaur}} family member on the boxart. Masuda explains that, as with [[legendary Pokémon]], creating a title for each Pokémon game that can be used and easily understood in all countries is not an easy task.
* {{DL|S.S. Anne|Rumors|The truck}}, long rumored to have a [[Poké Ball]] containing {{p|Mew}} under it, appears again as scenery near the [[S.S. Anne]]. This time around, however, there is a {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}} hidden on the dock, which normally cannot be obtained until much later in the game.
* Along with the original [[Generation I]] games, these are the only main series games that do not involve a [[legendary Pokémon]] in their main plot. Incidentally, they are also the last [[version|main series]] Pokémon games to feature a non-legendary Pokémon on the cover.
* The boy who prevents the player from leaving Pewter City before Brock is defeated (by escorting the player to the Gym) now returns the way he came. In Generation I, he would instead walk east and vanish offscreen, where a barrier prevents the player from walking.
* In the end credits, the [[version mascot]]s of the four [[Generation I]] games, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, and {{p|Pikachu}}, appear with special 3-frame sprites, transforming from their in-game sprites to the pose they took on the Japanese boxart of their respective games. In the Japanese versions, they are inside a circle with the text ''THE POCKET MONSTER TRAINER'', which is colored to match the Pokémon's type. In international versions this is replaced by a Poké Ball symbol, also colored based on the Pokémon's type.

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| {{color2|000|Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pocket Monsters Blue}} boxart
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Pocket Monsters Yellow}} boxart
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===Typographical errors===
* The [[species]] names present in FireRed and LeafGreen are cut off in early English releases of the games, most specifically those species names made up of more than one word with a space in between. This causes Pokémon like {{p|Pidgey}} to be listed as "Tiny Pokémon" rather than "Tiny Bird Pokémon." [[Pokédex data structure in Generation III|Internal game data]] lists the species name the same as it appears in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} and other games, indicating a glitch in the Pokédex where a blank space is confused for the terminating byte for the name. This was addressed in the later Player's Choice releases of the game. This is the easiest way to tell whether the game in question is a v1.0 or v1.1 release.
* If a FireRed or LeafGreen cart is present in Slot 2 of the [[Nintendo DS]], the migration feature in the menu screen of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} is incorrectly stated as "Migrate from Fire Red" or "Migrate from Leaf Green", with a space in the middle of the version names. This mistake was fixed in {{game|Platinum}}, which removed the space.
* In {{key|III|Teachy TV}}, during the program about registering items, the second instance of the word pocket in the phrase "<sc>key items pocket</sc>" is misspelled as "pokcet". This was not addressed in v1.1.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{firered color}}|bordercolor={{leafgreen color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン
|fr_eu=Pokémon Version Rouge-Feu et Version Vert-Feuille
|de=Pokémon Feuerrote Edition und Blattgrüne Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Rosso Fuoco e Versione Verde Foglia
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 파이어레드·리프그린|Pocket Monsters FireRed and LeafGreen}} {{tt|*|Although these games were not translated into Korean, these names are still used on official Pokémon material in South Korea}}
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Rojo Fuego y Edición Verde Hoja}}

==See also==
* [[Appendix:FireRed and LeafGreen walkthrough|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Walkthrough]]

==References==
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[[pl:Pokémon Wersje Fire Red i Leaf Green]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝火红叶绿版]]

Sevii Islands

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The '''Sevii Islands''' (Japanese: '''ナナシマ''' ''Nanashima'') are an archipelago of nine large islands and several small islands surrounding them far south of [[Kanto]], and are home to several legendary Pokémon: {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Deoxys}}. They resemble the real-life {{wp|Izu Islands}}. The main islands' only game appearance was in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, but the two event islands, [[Navel Rock]] and [[Birth Island]], later appeared in [[Pokémon Emerald]]. The Sevii Islands also appeared in various other media based on these games.

==Geography==
[[File:Sevii Islands map.png|thumb|right|500px|In-game map of the Sevii Islands from {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}]]
The nine Sevii Islands are located to the south of Kanto.. These islands cannot be surfed to; to travel from island to island a Pokémon Trainer must take the [[Seagallop Ferries]] from another island or [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]].

===Demographics===
The population of Sevii Islands is 66, which makes it the smallest of all known regions. This low number is due to the remote location of the archipelago and its relatively small land area.

===Settlements===
The major seven islands each have a settlement, which are named numerically.

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! style="color:#fff; background:#{{sevii color}}" | Name
! style="color:#fff; background:#{{sevii color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Areas of interest
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| [[File:Knot Island FRLG.png|x150px]]
| [[Knot Island]]
| {{OBP|One Island|town}} [[Treasure Beach]] [[Kindle Road]] [[Mt. Ember]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Boon Island FRLG.png|150px]]
| [[Boon Island]]
| {{OBP|Two Island|town}} [[Cape Brink]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Kin Island.png|150px]]
| [[Kin Island]]
| {{OBP|Three Island|town}} [[Three Isle Port]] [[Three Isle Path]] [[Bond Bridge]] [[Berry Forest]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Four Island FRLG.png|150px]]
| [[Floe Island]]
| {{OBP|Four Island|town}} [[Icefall Cave]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Chrono Island.png|150px]]
| [[Chrono Island]]
| {{OBP|Five Island|town}} [[Water Labyrinth]] [[Resort Gorgeous]] [[Lost Cave]] [[Five Isle Meadow]] [[Rocket Warehouse]] [[Memorial Pillar]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Fortune Island.png|x150px]]
| [[Fortune Island]]
| {{OBP|Six Island|town}} [[Water Path]] [[Pattern Bush]] [[Green Path]] [[Outcast Island]] [[Altering Cave]] [[Ruin Valley]] [[Dotted Hole]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Quest Island.png|x150px]]
| [[Quest Island]]
| {{OBP|Seven Island|town}} [[Trainer Tower]] [[Canyon Entrance]] [[Sevault Canyon]] [[Tanoby Key]] [[Tanoby Ruins]] [[Tanoby Chambers]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Navel Rock {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|2|4|6=FRLG|1|3|5=E}}.png|x150px]]
| colspan="2" | [[Navel Rock]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Birth Island {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|2|4|6=FRLG|1|3|5=E}}.png|x150px]]
| colspan="2" | [[Birth Island]]
|}

==In the games==
===Plot===
The Sevii Islands follow a trend set by {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, and provide most of the post-Elite Four plot in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. The Sevii Islands sideplot actually begins as soon as the player has defeated the [[Cinnabar Gym]] and obtained the {{Badge|Volcano}}. The first three islands, {{isl|Knot}}, {{isl|Boon}}, and {{isl|Kin}}, are the only areas available until the Elite Four has been defeated, but the plot here is important for continuing the game. By obtaining the [[National Pokédex]] (and subsequently retrieving the {{key|III|Ruby}}), the later islands are unlocked.

There is also a plot by [[Team Rocket]] based in the Sevii Islands. It deals with Pokémon evolution, and appears to be the prelude to a plot that is [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|launched three years later]]. Only when the Team Rocket members realize that the player has already defeated Giovanni, who subsequently disbanded Team Rocket, do they give up.

Some of the Sevii Islands used remixed themes from Gold and Silver as background music, such as the ones from [[Violet City]]/[[Olivine City]] ({{OBP|Six Island|town}} and {{OBP|Seven Island|town}}), [[Azalea Town]]/[[Blackthorn City]] ({{OBP|Four Island|town}} and {{OBP|Five Island|town}}), and [[Route]]s {{rtn|42|Johto}}, {{rtn|43|Johto}}, {{rtn|44|Johto}}, and the [[Lake of Rage]] (routes on {{isl|Chrono}}, {{isl|Fortune}}, and {{isl|Quest}} Islands).

===Accessibility===
In FireRed and LeafGreen, the Sevii Islands are accessible from the [[Vermilion City]] harbor via a system of boats called the [[Seagallop Ferry|Seagallop Ferries]]. To be able to access [[Knot Island|Knot]], [[Boon Island|Boon]], and [[Kin Island]]s, one needs a {{DL|Sevii Island passes|Tri-Pass}}, received from [[Bill]] after defeating [[Blaine]] on [[Cinnabar Island]]. To be able to access [[Floe Island|Floe]], [[Chrono Island|Chrono]], [[Fortune Island|Fortune]], and [[Quest Island]]s, one needs a {{DL|Sevii Island passes|Rainbow Pass}}, received from [[Celio]] in {{OBP|One Island|town}}, after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and obtaining the [[National Pokédex]]. To be able to access [[Navel Rock]], one needs a [[MysticTicket]], and to be able to access [[Birth Island]], one needs a [[AuroraTicket]], both of which can be obtained promotionally with [[Mystery Gift]].

==In the anime==
The Sevii Islands made a fleeting appearance in the anime. They were the setting for ''[[SS018|The Search for the Legend]]'': specifically [[Mt. Ember]], which is located on [[Knot Island]]. This appears to have been overlooked by the translation team, and the English dub named the mountain "Mount Magma". The episode dealt with the appearance and attempted capture of {{p|Moltres}}, which roosts at the top of Mt. Ember in FireRed and LeafGreen. A mention to the [[S.S. Anne]] is made in the course of the episode; apparently the vessel used to travel there.

The Sevii Islands also appear in the anime map released with ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]''. According to the ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'''s anime map, the Sevii Islands and "Mount Magma" are in relatively the same area as the Orange Islands and [[New Island]]

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
The ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'' manga series featured the Sevii Islands as the setting for the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}. This chapter mainly focuses on the first three [[Pokédex holders]] searching for missing relatives, and incorporated in-game events from the Sevii Islands into the plot, such as the {{p|Deoxys}} event on [[Birth Island]].

==Trivia==
* Although there are only nine islands in total, some data in the games reserved for [[List of locations by index number (Generation III)|location name index pointers]] reveal the following values:
** Sevii Isle 6 (Japanese: ６ばんななしま ''Nanashima 6'')
** Sevii Isle 7 (Japanese: ７ばんななしま ''Nanashima 7'')
** Sevii Isle 8 (Japanese: ８ばんななしま ''Nanashima 8'')
** Sevii Isle 9 (Japanese: ９ばんななしま ''Nanashima 9'')
** Sevii Isle 22 (Japanese: ２２ばんななしま ''Nanashima 22'')
** Sevii Isle 23 (Japanese: ２３ばんななしま ''Nanashima 23'')
** Sevii Isle 24 (Japanese: ２４ばんななしま ''Nanashima 24'')
*** These areas are not accessible during normal gameplay and are likely remnants from the [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen beta|development period]] of the games. All of them, save for Sevii Isles 8 and 9, have no map data. However, these locations are programmed in as [[routes]].
* The [[route]]s on the Sevii Islands are not numbered, unlike the other [[region]]s. This is likely to prevent confusion as to their relation to the others, as continuing where [[Johto]] left off (at {{rt|46|Johto}}, at the time the highest-numbered Johto route) would seemingly imply that Johto is accessible in the games.
* Even though {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are considered to be the sequels to {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, like how the original {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} are sequels to the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}, the Sevii Islands do not appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* Of the regions appearing in the main series games at all, the Sevii Islands appear in the fewest, the whole region appearing only in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} and only part of it appearing in {{game|Pokemon Emerald}}.
* The Sevii Islands archipelago corresponds to the real-life {{wp|Izu Islands}} (Japanese: {{tt|伊豆諸島|いずしょとう}} ''Izu-shotō''); the Izu Islands are commonly referred to as ''Izu Seven'' (Japanese: {{tt|伊豆七島|いずしちとう}} ''Izu Shichitō''). There are nine islands in the Izu Islands that are inhabited, while many of the main islands are surrounded by islets. Like the Izu Islands, the Sevii Islands are in between [[Cinnabar Island]] and the [[Orange Islands]] ({{wp|Bonin Islands}}).

==Name origin==
* The name possibly comes from ''seven'' and the Roman numeral for seven, which is ''VII''. The Japanese name ''Nanashima'' literally means "seven islands". According to an old woman on [[Quest Island]], they were named the Sevii Islands not because there are Seven (Two Event items reveal there are in fact nine) but because they were made in seven days.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{sevii color}}|bordercolor={{sevii color dark}}
|zh_yue=七之島 ''Chāt-jī Dóu''
|zh_cmn=七之島 ''Qī-zhī Dǎo'' (Taiwan) 七岛 ''Qīdǎo'' (Mainland China)
|de=Sevii Eiland
|es_eu=Archi7
|fr_eu=Îles Sevii
|it=Settipelago
|ko=일곱섬 ''Ilgop Seom''
|pl=Wyspy Sevii
}}
{{-}}
{{Regions|Sevii}}
{{Sevii Islands}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Sevii Islands|*]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[it:Settipelago]]

[[de:Sevii Eilande]]
[[fr:Îles Sevii]]
[[ja:ナナシマ]]
[[pl:Wyspy Sevii]]
[[zh:七岛]]

Sevii Islands

2013-11-19T17:58:35Z

Hwrdjacob:

{{RegionInfobox
|regioncolor=Sevii|
name=Sevii Islands |
jname=ナナシマ |
tmname=Nanashima |
region=no |
image=Sevii Islands.png|
caption=Artwork of the Sevii Islands from FireRed and LeafGreen |
introduction={{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} |
professor=None|
starter=None|
villain=[[Team Rocket]] |
generation={{gen|III}} |
games={{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} |
series=[[Pokémon Chronicles]] |
season=[[Pokémon Chronicles]] |
}}

The '''Sevii Islands''' (Japanese: '''ナナシマ''' ''Nanashima'') are an archipelago of nine large islands and several small islands surrounding them far south of [[Kanto]], and are home to several legendary Pokémon: {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Deoxys}}. They resemble the real-life {{wp|Izu Islands}}. The main islands' only game appearance was in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, but the two event islands, [[Navel Rock]] and [[Birth Island]], later appeared in [[Pokémon Emerald]]. The Sevii Islands also appeared in various other media based on these games.

==Geography==
[[File:Sevii Islands map.png|thumb|right|500px|In-game map of the Sevii Islands from {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}]]
The nine Sevii Islands are located to the south of Kanto.. These islands cannot be surfed to; to travel from island to island a Pokémon Trainer must take the [[Seagallop Ferries]] from another island or [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]].

===Demographics===
The population of Sevii Islands is 66, which makes it the smallest of all known regions. This low number is due to the remote location of the archipelago and its relatively small land area.

===Settlements===
The major seven islands each have a settlement, which are named numerically.

{| cellpadding="2" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{sevii color dark}}; {{roundy|5px}}; border:2px solid #{{sevii color}}"
|-
! style="color:#fff; background:#{{sevii color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Map
! style="color:#fff; background:#{{sevii color}}" | Name
! style="color:#fff; background:#{{sevii color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Areas of interest
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Knot Island FRLG.png|x150px]]
| [[Knot Island]]
| {{OBP|One Island|town}} [[Treasure Beach]] [[Kindle Road]] [[Mt. Ember]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Boon Island FRLG.png|150px]]
| [[Boon Island]]
| {{OBP|Two Island|town}} [[Cape Brink]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Kin Island.png|150px]]
| [[Kin Island]]
| {{OBP|Three Island|town}} [[Three Isle Port]] [[Three Isle Path]] [[Bond Bridge]] [[Berry Forest]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Four Island FRLG.png|150px]]
| [[Floe Island]]
| {{OBP|Four Island|town}} [[Icefall Cave]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Chrono Island.png|150px]]
| [[Chrono Island]]
| {{OBP|Five Island|town}} [[Water Labyrinth]] [[Resort Gorgeous]] [[Lost Cave]] [[Five Isle Meadow]] [[Rocket Warehouse]] [[Memorial Pillar]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Fortune Island.png|x150px]]
| [[Fortune Island]]
| {{OBP|Six Island|town}} [[Water Path]] [[Pattern Bush]] [[Green Path]] [[Outcast Island]] [[Altering Cave]] [[Ruin Valley]] [[Dotted Hole]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Quest Island.png|x150px]]
| [[Quest Island]]
| {{OBP|Seven Island|town}} [[Trainer Tower]] [[Canyon Entrance]] [[Sevault Canyon]] [[Tanoby Key]] [[Tanoby Ruins]] [[Tanoby Chambers]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Navel Rock {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|2|4|6=FRLG|1|3|5=E}}.png|x150px]]
| colspan="2" | [[Navel Rock]]
|- style="background: #fff;"
| [[File:Birth Island {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|2|4|6=FRLG|1|3|5=E}}.png|x150px]]
| colspan="2" | [[Birth Island]]
|}

==In the games==
===Plot===
The Sevii Islands follow a trend set by {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, and provide most of the post-Elite Four plot in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. The Sevii Islands sideplot actually begins as soon as the player has defeated the [[Cinnabar Gym]] and obtained the {{Badge|Volcano}}. The first three islands, {{isl|Knot}}, {{isl|Boon}}, and {{isl|Kin}}, are the only areas available until the Elite Four has been defeated, but the plot here is important for continuing the game. By obtaining the [[National Pokédex]] (and subsequently retrieving the {{key|III|Ruby}}), the later islands are unlocked.

There is also a plot by [[Team Rocket]] based in the Sevii Islands. It deals with Pokémon evolution, and appears to be the prelude to a plot that is [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|launched three years later]]. Only when the Team Rocket members realize that the player has already defeated Giovanni, who subsequently disbanded Team Rocket, do they give up.

Some of the Sevii Islands used remixed themes from Gold and Silver as background music, such as the ones from [[Violet City]]/[[Olivine City]] ({{OBP|Six Island|town}} and {{OBP|Seven Island|town}}), [[Azalea Town]]/[[Blackthorn City]] ({{OBP|Four Island|town}} and {{OBP|Five Island|town}}), and [[Route]]s {{rtn|42|Johto}}, {{rtn|43|Johto}}, {{rtn|44|Johto}}, and the [[Lake of Rage]] (routes on {{isl|Chrono}}, {{isl|Fortune}}, and {{isl|Quest}} Islands).

===Accessibility===
In FireRed and LeafGreen, the Sevii Islands are accessible from the [[Vermilion City]] harbor via a system of boats called the [[Seagallop Ferry|Seagallop Ferries]]. To be able to access [[Knot Island|Knot]], [[Boon Island|Boon]], and [[Kin Island]]s, one needs a {{DL|Sevii Island passes|Tri-Pass}}, received from [[Bill]] after defeating [[Blaine]] on [[Cinnabar Island]]. To be able to access [[Floe Island|Floe]], [[Chrono Island|Chrono]], [[Fortune Island|Fortune]], and [[Quest Island]]s, one needs a {{DL|Sevii Island passes|Rainbow Pass}}, received from [[Celio]] in {{OBP|One Island|town}}, after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and obtaining the [[National Pokédex]]. To be able to access [[Navel Rock]], one needs a [[MysticTicket]], and to be able to access [[Birth Island]], one needs a [[AuroraTicket]], both of which can be obtained promotionally with [[Mystery Gift]].

==In the anime==
The Sevii Islands made a fleeting appearance in the anime. They were the setting for ''[[SS018|The Search for the Legend]]'': specifically [[Mt. Ember]], which is located on [[Knot Island]]. This appears to have been overlooked by the translation team, and the English dub named the mountain "Mount Magma". The episode dealt with the appearance and attempted capture of {{p|Moltres}}, which roosts at the top of Mt. Ember in FireRed and LeafGreen. A mention to the [[S.S. Anne]] is made in the course of the episode; apparently the vessel used to travel there.

The Sevii Islands also appear in the anime map released with ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]''. According to the ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'''s anime map, the Sevii Islands and "Mount Magma" are in relatively the same area as the Orange Islands and [[New Island]]

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
The ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'' manga series featured the Sevii Islands as the setting for the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}. This chapter mainly focuses on the first three [[Pokédex holders]] searching for missing relatives, and incorporated in-game events from the Sevii Islands into the plot, such as the {{p|Deoxys}} event on [[Birth Island]].

==Trivia==
* Although there are only nine islands in total, some data in the games reserved for [[List of locations by index number (Generation III)|location name index pointers]] reveal the following values:
** Sevii Isle 6 (Japanese: ６ばんななしま ''Nanashima 6'')
** Sevii Isle 7 (Japanese: ７ばんななしま ''Nanashima 7'')
** Sevii Isle 8 (Japanese: ８ばんななしま ''Nanashima 8'')
** Sevii Isle 9 (Japanese: ９ばんななしま ''Nanashima 9'')
** Sevii Isle 22 (Japanese: ２２ばんななしま ''Nanashima 22'')
** Sevii Isle 23 (Japanese: ２３ばんななしま ''Nanashima 23'')
** Sevii Isle 24 (Japanese: ２４ばんななしま ''Nanashima 24'')
*** These areas are not accessible during normal gameplay and are likely remnants from the [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen beta|development period]] of the games. All of them, save for Sevii Isles 8 and 9, have no map data. However, these locations are programmed in as [[routes]].
* The [[route]]s on the Sevii Islands are not numbered, unlike the other [[region]]s. This is likely to prevent confusion as to their relation to the others, as continuing where [[Johto]] left off (at {{rt|46|Johto}}, at the time the highest-numbered Johto route) would seemingly imply that Johto is accessible in the games.
* Even though {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are considered to be the sequels to {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, like how the original {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} are sequels to the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}, the Sevii Islands do not appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* Of the regions appearing in the main series games at all, the Sevii Islands appear in the fewest, appearing only in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The Sevii Islands archipelago corresponds to the real-life {{wp|Izu Islands}} (Japanese: {{tt|伊豆諸島|いずしょとう}} ''Izu-shotō''); the Izu Islands are commonly referred to as ''Izu Seven'' (Japanese: {{tt|伊豆七島|いずしちとう}} ''Izu Shichitō''). There are nine islands in the Izu Islands that are inhabited, while many of the main islands are surrounded by islets. Like the Izu Islands, the Sevii Islands are in between [[Cinnabar Island]] and the [[Orange Islands]] ({{wp|Bonin Islands}}).

==Name origin==
* The name possibly comes from ''seven'' and the Roman numeral for seven, which is ''VII''. The Japanese name ''Nanashima'' literally means "seven islands". According to an old woman on [[Quest Island]], they were named the Sevii Islands not because there are Seven (Two Event items reveal there are in fact nine) but because they were made in seven days.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{sevii color}}|bordercolor={{sevii color dark}}
|zh_yue=七之島 ''Chāt-jī Dóu''
|zh_cmn=七之島 ''Qī-zhī Dǎo'' (Taiwan) 七岛 ''Qīdǎo'' (Mainland China)
|de=Sevii Eiland
|es_eu=Archi7
|fr_eu=Îles Sevii
|it=Settipelago
|ko=일곱섬 ''Ilgop Seom''
|pl=Wyspy Sevii
}}
{{-}}
{{Regions|Sevii}}
{{Sevii Islands}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Sevii Islands|*]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[it:Settipelago]]

[[de:Sevii Eilande]]
[[fr:Îles Sevii]]
[[ja:ナナシマ]]
[[pl:Wyspy Sevii]]
[[zh:七岛]]

Pokémon Origins

2013-11-18T18:07:19Z

Hwrdjacob:

{{redirect|Origin|Giratina's Origin Forme|Form differences#Giratina}}
[[File:Pokémon Origins logo.png|thumb|Pokémon Origins logo]]
[[File:Pocket Monsters The Origin logo.png|thumb|Pocket Monsters: The Origin logo]]
'''Pokémon Origins''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|{{j|THE ORIGIN}}|ジ・オリジン}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: The Origin'') is a miniseries that first aired in its entirety in Japan on October 2, 2013 and premiered the first episode in English on [[Pokémon TV]] on November 15, 2013, with subsequent episodes to follow on November 18, 20, and 22, 2013. The plot is close to that of {{game|Red and Green|s}}, but is aestheticly based on the artwork and sprites of, and features other minor elements from [[Pokemon Firered and Leafgreen Versions]], as well as some unique features. (Like Blue's Green Jacket and Mega Evolution). It stars {{OBP|Red|Origins}} as the protagonist and {{OBP|Blue|Origins}} as Red's [[rival]].

The story is split into four episodes.

==Episodes==
{{Episodelistheader|Kanto}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO01|File 1 - Red|レポート1 レッド|Report 1 - Red|November 15, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO02|None|レポート2 カラカラ|Report 2 - {{tt|Karakara|Cubone}}|November 18, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO03|None|レポート3 サカキ|Report 3 - {{tt|Sakaki|Giovanni}}|November 20, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO04|None|レポート4 リザードン|Report 4 - {{tt|Lizardon|Charizard}}|November 22, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistfooterspecial|Kanto|This concludes Pokémon Origins.}}

==Cast==
{{cast/h|Kanto}}
{{cast|Kanto|Red (Origins)|Bryce Papenbrook|disp=Red|Red|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Junko Takeuchi|レッド|竹内順子|top=yes}}
{{cast|Kanto|Blue (Origins)|disp=Blue|Lucien Dodge|Green|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Takuya Eguchi|グリーン|江口拓也}}
{{cast|Kanto|Professor Oak|Kyle Hebert|Dr. Okido|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Katsuji Mori|オーキド博士|森功至}}
{{cast|Kanto|Brock|Johnny Yong Bosch|Takeshi|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Tomokazu Sugita|タケシ|杉田智和}}
{{cast|Kanto|Giovanni|none|Sakaki|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Rikiya Koyama|サカキ|小山力也}}
{{cast|Kanto|Reina|none|Reina|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Yui Ishikawa|レイナ|石川由依}}
{{cast|Kanto|Lance|none|Wataru|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Tokuyoshi Kawashima|ワタル|川島得愛}}
{{cast|Kanto|Mr. Fuji|none|Elder Fuji|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Minoru Inaba|フジ老人|稲葉実}}
{{cast|Kanto|Lass|Cristina Vee}}
{{cast|Kanto|Nidoran♂|Cristina Vee}}
|}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Red PO.png|Red
File:Blue PO.png|Blue
File:Brock PO.png|Brock
File:Mom PO.png|Red's mom
File:Professor Oak PO.png|Professor Oak
File:Giovanni PO.png|Giovanni
File:Pocket Monsters The Origin.png|The Japanese poster
File:Pokémon Origins.png|The English poster
</gallery>

==Screenshots==
<gallery>
File:Oak lecture PO.png|Professor Oak giving a lecture
File:Red-Blue rivalry PO.png|Red and Blue's rivalry
File:Lance PO.png|Lance
File:Brock Geodude PO.png|Brock's Geodude
File:Brock Poké Balls PO.png|Brock and some Poké Balls
File:Blue Blastoise PO.png|Blue's Blastoise
File:Kanto Pokédex PO.png|Kanto Pokédex
File:Red Charmander PO.png|Red's Charmander
</gallery>

==Official trailers==
===English===
{{youtubevid|cgc81i06qwY|Pokemon|Kanto}}
===Japanese===
{{youtubevid|_Lyi2RSVxqg|PokemonCoJp|Kanto}}

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/origin/ Official website] (Japanese)
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/08/130817_g01.html?a001=news Official Pokémon website announcement] (Japanese)
* [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/anim_pokemon_origins_announce-2013-09-25/ Official Pokémon website announcement] (English)
* [http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/694/694968/ Dengeki article] (Japanese)

{{bulbanews|Pocket Monsters: The Origin anime special to air Oct. 2}}
{{bulbanews|Pocket Monsters: The Origin English release announced}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Smash being replaced with Pokémon Get☆TV, Pocket Monsters: The Origin run time revealed}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Origins schedule announced}}

{{Project Anime notice}}

[[Category:Anime]]

[[it:Pokémon: Le Origini]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター THE ORIGIN]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝 THE ORIGIN]]

Pokémon Origins

2013-11-18T18:00:10Z

Hwrdjacob: Additional Details

{{redirect|Origin|Giratina's Origin Forme|Form differences#Giratina}}
[[File:Pokémon Origins logo.png|thumb|Pokémon Origins logo]]
[[File:Pocket Monsters The Origin logo.png|thumb|Pocket Monsters: The Origin logo]]
'''Pokémon Origins''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|{{j|THE ORIGIN}}|ジ・オリジン}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: The Origin'') is a miniseries that first aired in its entirety in Japan on October 2, 2013 and premiered the first episode in English on [[Pokémon TV]] on November 15, 2013, with subsequent episodes to follow on November 18, 20, and 22, 2013. The plot is close to that of {{game|Red and Green|s}}, but is aestheticly based on the artwork and sprites of, and features other minor elements from [[Pokemon Firered and Leafgreen Versions]], as well as some unique features. (Like Blue's Green Jacket). It stars {{OBP|Red|Origins}} as the protagonist and {{OBP|Blue|Origins}} as Red's [[rival]].

The story is split into four episodes.

==Episodes==
{{Episodelistheader|Kanto}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO01|File 1 - Red|レポート1 レッド|Report 1 - Red|November 15, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO02|None|レポート2 カラカラ|Report 2 - {{tt|Karakara|Cubone}}|November 18, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO03|None|レポート3 サカキ|Report 3 - {{tt|Sakaki|Giovanni}}|November 20, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistbody|PO04|None|レポート4 リザードン|Report 4 - {{tt|Lizardon|Charizard}}|November 22, 2013|October 2, 2013}}
{{Episodelistfooterspecial|Kanto|This concludes Pokémon Origins.}}

==Cast==
{{cast/h|Kanto}}
{{cast|Kanto|Red (Origins)|Bryce Papenbrook|disp=Red|Red|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Junko Takeuchi|レッド|竹内順子|top=yes}}
{{cast|Kanto|Blue (Origins)|disp=Blue|Lucien Dodge|Green|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Takuya Eguchi|グリーン|江口拓也}}
{{cast|Kanto|Professor Oak|Kyle Hebert|Dr. Okido|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Katsuji Mori|オーキド博士|森功至}}
{{cast|Kanto|Brock|Johnny Yong Bosch|Takeshi|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Tomokazu Sugita|タケシ|杉田智和}}
{{cast|Kanto|Giovanni|none|Sakaki|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Rikiya Koyama|サカキ|小山力也}}
{{cast|Kanto|Reina|none|Reina|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Yui Ishikawa|レイナ|石川由依}}
{{cast|Kanto|Lance|none|Wataru|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Tokuyoshi Kawashima|ワタル|川島得愛}}
{{cast|Kanto|Mr. Fuji|none|Elder Fuji|List of Japanese voice actors{{!}}Minoru Inaba|フジ老人|稲葉実}}
{{cast|Kanto|Lass|Cristina Vee}}
{{cast|Kanto|Nidoran♂|Cristina Vee}}
|}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Red PO.png|Red
File:Blue PO.png|Blue
File:Brock PO.png|Brock
File:Mom PO.png|Red's mom
File:Professor Oak PO.png|Professor Oak
File:Giovanni PO.png|Giovanni
File:Pocket Monsters The Origin.png|The Japanese poster
File:Pokémon Origins.png|The English poster
</gallery>

==Screenshots==
<gallery>
File:Oak lecture PO.png|Professor Oak giving a lecture
File:Red-Blue rivalry PO.png|Red and Blue's rivalry
File:Lance PO.png|Lance
File:Brock Geodude PO.png|Brock's Geodude
File:Brock Poké Balls PO.png|Brock and some Poké Balls
File:Blue Blastoise PO.png|Blue's Blastoise
File:Kanto Pokédex PO.png|Kanto Pokédex
File:Red Charmander PO.png|Red's Charmander
</gallery>

==Official trailers==
===English===
{{youtubevid|cgc81i06qwY|Pokemon|Kanto}}
===Japanese===
{{youtubevid|_Lyi2RSVxqg|PokemonCoJp|Kanto}}

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/origin/ Official website] (Japanese)
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/08/130817_g01.html?a001=news Official Pokémon website announcement] (Japanese)
* [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/anim_pokemon_origins_announce-2013-09-25/ Official Pokémon website announcement] (English)
* [http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/694/694968/ Dengeki article] (Japanese)

{{bulbanews|Pocket Monsters: The Origin anime special to air Oct. 2}}
{{bulbanews|Pocket Monsters: The Origin English release announced}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Smash being replaced with Pokémon Get☆TV, Pocket Monsters: The Origin run time revealed}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Origins schedule announced}}

{{Project Anime notice}}

[[Category:Anime]]

[[it:Pokémon: Le Origini]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター THE ORIGIN]]
[[zh:神奇宝贝 THE ORIGIN]]

Chansey (Pokémon)

2013-03-16T17:52:45Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Habitat */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Chansey | prev=Rhydon | next=Tangela|type=normal|| prevnum=112| nextnum=114}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Chansey |
jname=ラッキー |
tmname=Lucky |
art=FRLG |
size=208px |
pron=<sc>''chan''-see</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=113 |
oldjdex=217 |
jdex=222 |
hdex=277 |
sdex=097 |
type1=Normal |
species=Egg |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=76.3 |
weight-kg=34.6 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Natural Cure |
ability2=Serene Grace |
abilityd=Healer|
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Fairy |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=40|
evhp=2|
expyield=395 |
lv100exp=800,000 |
gendercode=254|
color=Pink |
catchrate=30 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=chansey |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Chansey''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ラッキー''' ''Lucky'') is a {{type|Normal}} Pokémon.

She [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Happiny}} when [[level]]ed up holding an {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Oval Stone}} during the day and evolves into {{p|Blissey}} when [[level]]ed up with high [[friendship]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Chansey have pink, egg-shaped bodies. They have hair-like outgrowths on the side of their heads instead of the pigtail they had as a {{p|Happiny}}. Chansey have {{DL|List of Pokémon by body style|Pokémon with a bipedal, tailed form|stubby limbs and have grown a short tail}}. Chansey's lower body is fully developed and they now have a pouch that holds an egg.

====Gender differences====
Chansey is a female-only species with no male counterpart.

===Special abilities===
Chansey, and her evolved form, {{p|Blissey}}, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that can learn {{m|Softboiled}} by leveling up. However, {{p|Mew}} could learn it from a TM in [[Generation I]], while members of the {{p|Clefairy}} and {{p|Togepi}} families can be tutored the move in [[Generation III]].

===Behavior===
Extremely rare in the wild, Chansey is said to bring friendship and extremely good luck to those who are lucky enough to capture her. Chansey lays several eggs each day. The egg is extremely nutritious and tasty. A kindhearted and charitable Pokémon, Chansey will share her eggs with injured Pokémon she may come across. However, she will not share her egg with anyone who has evil in his or her heart.
Chansey walks carefully to protect her egg from damage, but can be startlingly fast when she must run from danger.

===Habitat===
[[File:Urban.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Urban Pokémon}}]]
Chansey are rarely seen in the wild. They are a common sight seen working at [[Pokémon Center]]s. Wild ones are said to exist in [[Johto]] and [[Sinnoh]]. They have also been imported into [[Kanto]]'s {{safari|Kanto}}.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Brock Chansey.png|thumb|250px|right|Chansey in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Nurse Joy's Chansey]]====
Throughout the anime, {{TP|Nurse Joy|Chansey}} is mainly seen working at [[Pokémon Center]]s. The first instance was in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''.

====[[Brock's Chansey]]====
In ''[[DP190|The Brockster Is In!]]'', {{an|Brock}}'s {{p|Happiny}} evolved into {{TP|Brock|Chansey}}.

====Other====
[[Cheryl]] also owns a Chansey, which made appearances in ''[[DP030|Some Enchanted Sweetening]]'' and ''[[DP031|The Grass-Type is Always Greener!]]''.

===Minor appearances===
A Chansey was seen as one of [[Suzy]]'s clients in ''[[EP028|Pokémon Fashion Flash]]''. She reappeared in a flashback in ''[[EP169|Beauty and the Breeder]]''.

Chansey also appeared in ''[[EP043|The March of the Exeggutor Squad]]''.

A Chansey appeared in a picture in ''[[EP055|Pokémon Paparazzi]]''.

A Chansey appeared in ''[[EP069|Lights, Camera, Quack-tion]]'', as part of the cast for the movie "{{DL|Movies in the Pokémon world|Pokémon in Love}}".

A Chansey was also seen training with an unnamed Trainer in ''[[EP073|Bad to the Bone]]''.

A Chansey under the ownership of the Pokémon Showboat stage show staff appeared in ''[[EP090|Stage Fight!]]''.

Chansey also appeared in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]''.

A Chansey was one of the Pokémon seen at the Pokémon Swap Meet in ''[[EP146|Tricks of the Trade]]''.

A Chansey appeared in ''[[EP169|Beauty and the Breeder]]'' where she participated in a Pokémon beauty contest.

In ''[[AG163|Cutting the Ties that Bind]]'', {{FB|Palace Maven|Spenser}} had his Chansey heal [[Ash's Sceptile]] after he saved {{Ash}} from {{TRT}}.

A Chansey appeared in the [[boss fantasy]] of ''[[DP092|A Lean Mean Team Rocket Machine!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP190|Chansey|Dawn's Pokédex|Chansey, the Egg Pokémon, and the evolved form of {{p|Happiny}}. Chansey is a kind Pokémon who shares its egg with those who are sick or injured.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Daisy Oak Luckytchi Adventures.png|thumb|right|200px|Chansey in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], Chansey is seen as a Pokémon under the ownership of [[Daisy Oak]], which previously belonged to {{adv|Professor Oak|her grandfather}}.

===In the Magical Pokémon Journey manga===
{{main|Chansey (MPJ)}}
[[Plum]] owns a Chansey in [[Magical Pokémon Journey]].

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
Multiple Chansey were kidnapped by the Chansey torturer for [[Koga]]'s greed in ''[[PM015|Save The Chansey!]]''. They were strong enough to break free from the ropes that were tying them and escaped.

A Chansey took part in a baseball match in ''[[PM021|Fierce Competition at the Pokémon Baseball Tournament!]]''.

===In the Pokémon Zensho manga===
{{Zensho|Shigeru}} has a Chansey which he caught it in the Safari Zone.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Chansey (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros.]]===
Chansey will sometimes appear from the Silph Co. Building in Saffron City, and can also be released from a Poké Ball in which case she will shoot out eggs.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
When released from a Poké Ball, Chansey will use {{m|Softboiled}} and produce five eggs. Anyone can pick them up and they will either slightly heal the holder or contain items. If attacked, Chansey can be knocked away, stopping egg production.

Chansey is also a Pokéfloat. The float will quickly bob up and down from the bottom of the screen four times.

====Trophy information====
''Renowned for its kind temperament, Chansey has been known to offer injured creatures a highly nutritious egg to aid their recovery. Legend has it that this charitable creature brings friendship to anyone who captures a Chansey. All Chansey are female, and every now and then one is found in possession of a Lucky Egg.''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{game|Yellow}}: Chansey appear in [[Pokémon Center]]s.
* {{g|Stadium 2}}: Chansey stars in the mini-game "Egg Emergency". Players must catch the falling eggs, but avoid the {{p|Voltorb}}.
* {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness}}: Chansey runs the Chansey Day Care in [[Treasure Town]]. This is where the player can hatch their Eggs received as a reward for missions.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=normal
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A rare and elusive Pokémon that is said to bring happiness to those who manage to get it.
|yellowdex=A gentle and kind-hearted Pokémon that shares its {{m|Softboiled|nutritious eggs}} if it sees an injured Pokémon.
|stadiumdex=Lays very succulent eggs every day. If it is treated with love and care, its eggs appear to become even more delicious.
|golddex=It walks carefully to prevent its egg from breaking. However, it is extremely fast at running away.
|silverdex=Few in numbers and difficult to capture, it is said to bring happiness to the trainer who catches it.
|crystaldex=People try to catch it for its extremely nutritious eggs, but it rarely can be found.
|stadium2dex=It walks carefully to prevent its egg from breaking. However, it is extremely fast at running away.
|rsdex=Chansey lays nutritionally excellent eggs on an everyday basis. The eggs are so delicious, they are easily and eagerly devoured by even those people who have lost their appetite.
|emeralddex=Chansey lay nutritionally excellent eggs every day. The eggs are so delicious, they are eagerly devoured by even those people who have lost their appetite.
|firereddex=It lays several eggs a day. The eggs are apparently rich in nutrients and extremely delicious.
|leafgreendex=A rare and elusive Pokémon that is said to bring happiness to those who manage to get it.
|diamonddex=It is said to deliver happiness. Being compassionate, it shares its eggs with injured people.
|pearldex=It lays several eggs a day and won't share them with those who have evil in their hearts.
|platinumdex=A kindly Pokémon that lays highly nutritious eggs and shares them with injured Pokémon or people.
|heartgolddex=It walks carefully to prevent its egg from breaking. However, it is extremely fast at running away.
|soulsilverdex=Being few in number and difficult to capture, it is said to bring happiness to the Trainer who catches it.
|bwdex=A kindly Pokémon that lays highly nutritious eggs and shares them with injured Pokémon or people.
|b2w2dex=A kindly Pokémon that lays highly nutritious eggs and shares them with injured Pokémon or people.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Normal |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Rare |
rbarea={{safari|Kanto}} and [[Cerulean Cave]] |
jbrarity=Unknown |
jbarea={{safari|Kanto}} and [[Cerulean Cave]] |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea={{safari|Kanto}} and [[Cerulean Cave]] |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|15|Kanto}} |
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|15|Kanto}} |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea={{safari|Kanto}} |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Citadark Isle]] |
xdshadow=yes |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|209|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|210|Sinnoh}} and [[Trophy Garden]] |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|209|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|210|Sinnoh}} and [[Trophy Garden]]|
hgssrarity=Very Rare |
hgssarea={{safari|Johto}} and [[Route]]s {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|15|Kanto}} |
palarea=Field |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Happiny}} |
b2w2area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Happiny}} |
gen5ex=white |
dwarea={{Dwa|Dream Park}}|
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=normal
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Beach|Beach]]
|channel=Upgrade binder
|pinball={{safari|Kanto}}
|trozei=Secret Storage 15 Endless Level 18 Forever Level 18 [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Joyous Tower]] (50F, 60F, 77F)
|md2=[[Happy Outlook]] (B1-B19)
|rumble=[[Silent Forest]] Normal Mode S
|rumble2=Forest: [[Echo Valley]] (post ending)
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=normal}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Sweet Scent Chansey|English|United States|5|August 9 to 29, 2002|link=List of English Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Sweet Scent Chansey}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|PCNY Wish Chansey|English|United States|5|December 16, 2004 to January 2, 2005|link=List of PCNY event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Chansey}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All #3 Chansey|Japanese|Japan|10|January 14 to 29, 2006|link=List of Japanese Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Chansey}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=normal
|rby1=Lucky Punch|rby1type=Stat-enhancing item|rby1rar=100
|gsc1=Lucky Egg|gsc1type=Experience-affecting item|gsc1rar=8
|frlg1=Lucky Egg|frlg1type=Experience-affecting item|frlg1rar=5
|xd1=Lucky Punch|xd1type=Stat-enhancing item|xd1rar=100
|dppt1=Oval Stone|dppt1type=Evolution-inducing held item|dppt1rar=50
|dppt2=Lucky Egg|dppt2type=Experience-affecting item|dppt2rar=5
|hgss1=Oval Stone|hgss1type=Evolution-inducing held item|hgss1rar=50
|hgss2=Lucky Egg|hgss2type=Experience-affecting item|hgss2rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 250 |
Attack= 5 |
Defense= 5 |
SpAtk= 35 |
SpDef= 105 |
Special=105 |
Speed= 50 |
type=Normal }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Normal
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=1
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
normal=yes|
newghost=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40||}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Pound|Normal|Physical|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40||}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Refresh|Normal|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|DoubleSlap|Normal|Physical|15|85|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Softboiled|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Bestow|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Minimize|Normal|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Sing|Normal|Status|—|55|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|34|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/level5|38|Heal Pulse|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Egg Bomb|Normal|Physical|100|75|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Healing Wish|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/level5|54|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}|Aromatherapy|Grass|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|035|Clefairy}}{{MSP|036|Clefable}}|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|311|Plusle}}{{MSP|312|Minun}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}{{MSP|531|Audino}}{{MSP|546|Cottonee}} {{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}{{MSP|311|Plusle}}{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}{{MSP|531|Audino}}|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5|||†|'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|035|Clefairy}}{{MSP|036|Clefable}}{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}|Metronome|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}|Mud Bomb|Ground|Special|65|85|10|Smart|2|*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|025|Pikachu}}{{MSP|026|Raichu}}{{MSP|035|Clefairy}}{{MSP|036|Clefable}}{{MSP|039|Jigglypuff}}{{MSP|040|Wigglytuff}} {{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}{{MSP|183|Marill}}{{MSP|184|Azumarill}}{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}|Present|Normal|Physical|—|90|15|Cute|0|*|'''|}}{{learnlist/breedf|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|1}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Chansey|normal|normal|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|40||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|75|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Chansey|normal|normal|5|1}}

===={{pkmn|Dream World}} moves====
{{learnlist/eventh|Chansey|normal|normal|5|1}}
{{learnlist/event5|{{dwa|Dream Park}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/event5|{{dwa|Dream Park}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Chansey|normal|normal|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|440|Happiny|||||Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|440|Happiny|||||Copycat|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|440|Happiny|||||Sweet Kiss|Normal|Status|—|75|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|440|Happiny|t||||Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|'''|B2W2}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Chansey|Normal|Normal|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=normal |
ndex=113 |
pinball=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=6.9 |
area=Sky Blue Plains |
P1=What is happiness? Can you tell me? Can you tell me? |
P2=Oh, my goodness, my HP has been lost by half... |
P3=Oh, no, no more... I feel faint... Help... |
PL=My level went up! Joyfully happy! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.9 |
iq=H |
rumble=yes |
rumbleattack=1 |
rumbledefense=2 |
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=1 |
rumble2defense=2 |
rumble2speed=3 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Incense
|sprite1=440
|name1=Happiny
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=Held
|held1=Oval Stone
|time1=Daytime
|incense=Luck Incense
|sprite2=113
|name2=Chansey
|type1-2=Normal
|evotype2=Friendship
|sprite3=242
|name3=Blissey
|type1-3=Normal}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=normal|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=113|
name=Chansey|
}}

==Trivia==
* In the [[Pokémon Red and Green beta|Pokémon Red and Blue beta]], Chansey was originally known as "Lucky", which also happens to be her romanized Japanese name.
* In Generation III, Chansey and her evolution {{p|Blissey}} had the highest base [[experience]] yield of all Pokémon.
** In Generation IV, this attribute is further shared with her pre-evolution {{p|Happiny}}, as well as {{p|Arceus}}.
** In Generation V, Chansey and Happiny no longer have the highest yield, as Blissey's yield was greatly increased.
* Chansey is one of five Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other four being {{p|Electabuzz}}, {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Porygon}} and {{p|Roselia}}). While Electabuzz and Magmar gained a pre-evolution in [[Generation II]] and an evolution in [[Generation IV]], Chansey did the reverse, gaining her evolution first.
** Chansey is the first Pokémon in National Pokédex order to be related by evolution to Pokémon from two different generations to her own.
* Chansey, and her evolution family have the most in-game items associated with them. This includes: [[Lucky Punch]], [[Lucky Egg]], {{DL|Incense|Luck Incense}}, and the {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Oval Stone}}.
* Chansey shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Exeggcute}}. They are both known as the Egg Pokémon.
* In Generation II, when breeding was introduced, and beyond, Chansey hatch from an Egg with an egg already in their pouch. The same oddity occurs with {{p|Kangaskhan}}, which hatch with a baby in their pouches, and {{p|Happiny}}, which hatch with a rock in their pouches.
** Her {{v2|Platinum}} Pokédex entry states that she lays eggs, confirming that Pokémon are able to do so (as it has been mentioned that nobody has seen Pokémon lay eggs); however, these eggs are apparently not Chansey or Happiny Eggs, but eggs that are high in nutrition instead. Theoretically, these eggs could possibly be unfertilized Chansey or Happiny Eggs. However, these eggs do not match the color scheme of Eggs in the games, or Happiny Eggs in the anime.

===Origin===
Her tendency to carry eggs in a pouch is very {{wp|monotreme}}- or {{wp|marsupial}}-like. She may also just be based on a general concept of females and motherhood. As her Pokédex entries mention her tendency to lay nutritious eggs everyday, Chansey may also be based on chickens or other poultry fowls.

====Name origin====
Chansey is a corruption of ''chance'' and ''chancy''. It may refer to Chansey's rarity and/or the chance of a successful catch.

Lucky is literally ''lucky'', for the same possible reason.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=normal|type2=normal
|ja=ラッキー ''Lucky''|jameaning=From the English ''lucky''
|fr=Leveinard|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|Le veinard|The lucky one}}''
|es=Chansey|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Chaneira|demeaning=From ''Chance'', ''{{tt|Ei|egg}}'', and ''{{tt|rar|rare}}''
|it=Chansey|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=럭키 ''Reokki''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_yue=吉利蛋 ''Gātleihdaahn''|zh_yuemeaning=Literally "Lucky egg"
|zh_cmn=吉利蛋 ''Jílìdàn''|zh_cmnmeaning=Literally "Lucky egg"
}}

 

==Related articles==
* [[Nurse Joy's Chansey]]
* [[Chansey (MPJ)]]
* [[Brock's Chansey]]

==External links==
* {{wp|Chansey|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions

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{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen}}
'''Pokémon FireRed Version''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|ポケットモンスターファイアレッド|Poketto Monsutā Faiareddo}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: {{tt|Firered|It's the officially trademarked name, not spelled in CamelCase.}}'') and '''Pokémon LeafGreen Version''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|ポケットモンスターリーフグリーン|Poketto Monsutā Rīfugurīn}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: {{tt|Leafgreen|It's the officially trademarked name, not spelled in CamelCase.}}'') are a pair of [[Version|main series]] [[Generation III]] games that are set in the [[Kanto]] [[region]]. They were released in Japan on January 29, 2004, in North America on September 9, 2004, in Australia on September 23, 2004 and in Europe on October 1, 2004.

By nature, the games are [[remake]]s of the original pair of Pokémon games, {{game|Red and Green|s|Pocket Monsters: Red & Green}} (Japanese: {{tt|ポケットモンスター赤・緑|Poketto Monsutā Aka Midori}}), and so feature all of the characters, plot elements, and challenges of them, but with several important upgrades to bring them up to speed with other Generation III games.

The [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter]] was initially included with the games when they were first released, eliminating the need for [[link cable]]s when trading between the two games (and later {{game|Emerald||Pokémon Emerald Version}}). In later copies, it was sold separately.

FireRed and LeafGreen went on to become the second best-selling games of the [[Game Boy Advance]], only behind {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions}}. They also received [[Nintendo]]'s ''{{wp|Nintendo Selects|Player's Choice}}'' awards.

==Plot==
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The plot essentially follows the same storyline as [[Generation I]], with the {{player}} beginning in [[Pallet Town]]. After meeting [[Professor Oak]] while trying to leave for {{rt|1|Kanto}}, both the player and his or her [[rival]] are asked by Oak to choose a [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}}, from the desk near him. Oak allows the player to choose first and the [[rival]] quickly gets jealous, chooses the starter whose [[type]] weakens that of the player's, and challenges the player to a {{pkmn|battle}}. During this Pokémon battle [[Professor Oak]] commentates.

After the battle has ended, Oak allows the two new Trainers to leave for their journey across [[Kanto]]. Stopping off in [[Viridian City]]'s [[Poké Mart]], the player will find that a {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Oak's Parcel|package}} has come in for the professor, and the clerk asks that it be delivered to him. After this has been completed, the professor gives two [[Pokédex]]es, one for the player, and one for the rival, away to them, and sends them on their way. Viridian has a Gym; however, it is locked.

From here, the player has their first encounter with other Trainers, on {{rt|2|Kanto}} and in [[Viridian Forest]], and their first encounter with a [[Gym Leader]]: [[Brock]] the {{type|Rock}} Gym Leader of [[Pewter City]]. After his defeat, journeying along {{rt|3|Kanto}} and through [[Mt. Moon]] brings the player face to face with the regional [[villainous teams|villainous team]], [[Team Rocket]] attempting to extract rare [[Fossil]]s from the cave. Their defeat allows the player to continue through the cave, obtain the [[Dome Fossil]] or [[Helix Fossil]], and continue onto {{rt|4|Kanto}}, which leads directly into [[Cerulean City]], where another [[Gym]] is. This one, however, is run by [[Misty]], and specializes on {{type|Water}} Pokémon. To the north, as well, there are two [[route]]s leading up to [[Bill]]'s cottage, where he will give the player a ticket for the [[S.S. Anne]], a luxury ship moored in {{ci|Vermillion}} Harbor and filled with Trainers. Taking a shortcut through a house burglarized by Team Rocket, the player finally arrives at {{rt|5|Kanto}}.

After traveling down Routes 5 and {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, using the {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 5-6}} to bypass [[Saffron City]], the player finally arrives in {{ci|Vermilion}}. This city is home to another Pokémon Gym; however, the way to it is blocked by a small tree. The only thing to do is to show the ticket to the {{tc|Sailor}} guarding the harbor, allowing entry into the S.S. Anne. It is here, after assisting the captain with his seasickness, that the player will obtain the first of the seven [[HM|Hidden Machines]] available in the game, containing {{m|Cut}}. With this, and the {{Badge|Cascade}}, the tree blocking the way to Vermilion Gym can be easily cut through, and [[Lt. Surge]], a Gym Leader specializing in {{type|Electric}}s, can be challenged. From here, {{rt|11|Kanto}} beckons, as does [[Diglett's Cave]], through which is the only way to get back to {{rt|2|Kanto}}, and a second HM, containing {{m|Flash}} held by one of [[Professor Oak]]'s aids on {{rt|2|Kanto}}. The player takes a brief detour to Pewter City's museum's back entrance which was previously blocked due to a Cut-able tree, which can now easily be bypassed. The player obtains the [[Old Amber]] in the museum. Heading back to Diglett's Cave, and to Vermilion, the player must go to Cerulean and to the east, onto {{rt|9|Kanto}} and towards the [[Rock Tunnel]].

Rock Tunnel, a still undeveloped natural tunnel between the sections of {{rt|10|Kanto}}, is pitch black inside; for this reason, {{m|Flash}} is recommended, but not required, for navigation of it. Finally reaching [[Lavender Town]], the only town in Kanto without a Pokémon Gym besides Pallet, there is not much to do; the local [[Pokémon Tower]] is haunted. From here, {{rt|8|Kanto}} leads to Saffron City, but it again must be bypassed by way of another {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 7-8}}, which has its other entrance on {{rt|7|Kanto}}, on the west side of Saffron. [[Celadon City]], the home of the fourth Gym, specializing in {{type|Grass}} Pokémon is just a short walk further. Like the Vermilion Gym, the Celadon Gym also has a small tree blocking the way to its entrance, and an old man outside.

The [[Rocket Game Corner]] in Celadon is not what it appears to be. In fact, the Game Corner itself is merely the above ground portion of a sprawling underground complex: the [[Rocket Hideout]]. The Team Rocket boss, Giovanni, appears for the first time here, and after his defeat, flees, leaving behind a Silph Scope. A Silph Scope is required to fully navigate the Pokémon Tower inside of Lavender Town that the player encountered earlier.

After this, the Pokémon Tower can be navigated, and the ghosts haunting it are revealed to be {{p|Gastly}} and {{p|Haunter}}. In front of the stairs to the final floor, blocking the way, is also a final spirit, that of a deceased {{p|Marowak}} that was killed by Team Rocket when they captured her child. Making it all the way to the top reveals [[Mr. Fuji]] held hostage by Team Rocket grunts, who will leave when they are defeated. Fuji gives away the [[Poké Flute]], and with that, the {{p|Snorlax}} blocking {{rt|11|Kanto}} and {{rt|16|Kanto}} can finally be moved away. Another HM, containing {{m|Fly}}, can be obtained easily by cutting away a tree blocking the northern section of Route 16.

Now the player is presented with a choice of how to get to [[Fuchsia City]]. Traveling down either way the Snorlax are blocking, a faster way via Routes 16, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|18|Kanto}} on [[Kanto Route 17|Cycling Road]], or down the [[Silence Bridge]] of Routes {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|15|Kanto}}, inevitably brings one to the southernmost city in continental Kanto, [[Fuchsia City]], home of [[Koga]] of the {{t|Poison}}ous Fuchsia Gym and the [[Kanto Safari Zone]]. The Safari Zone is currently running a contest: the person to reach a specific rest house first will win yet another HM, containing {{m|Surf}}. Finding the [[Baoba|Safari Zone Warden]]'s {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Gold Teeth}} also will have him reward the player with the final of Kanto's HMs, containing {{m|Strength}}.

The player then goes back to either [[Celadon City]] or [[Lavender Town]], encountering the other {{p|Snorlax}} on the way back. After stopping off at the [[Celadon Condominiums|Celadon Mansion]] and getting some {{DL|Drink|Tea}}, Saffron City can finally be entered. However, Team Rocket is guarding almost every door in the city, including that of the local Pokémon Gym! One of the open buildings however, is the unofficial Fighting-type Pokémon Gym. After the player defeats the Fighting Dojo, he/she is entitled to either a {{p|Hitmonchan}} or a {{p|Hitmonlee}}. The city's centerpiece building, [[Silph Co.]]'s headquarters, has also been infiltrated by the organization, and at the top, waiting in the boardroom, is the Team Rocket Boss, [[Giovanni]], appearing for a second time, demanding that the president give him the [[Master Ball]] that the company had developed. After his defeat, he flees.

After Team Rocket clears out of [[Saffron City]], all buildings previously blocked are now open, as well as the Gym. The Gym Leader, [[Sabrina]], specializes in {{type|Psychic}}s. The floor, as well, is covered in warp tiles that make it difficult to navigate. After Sabrina's defeat, the player makes his/her way back to Fuchsia City again, and heads out to obtain the rest of the Badges.

With six Badges in hand, and five HMs in the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|TM Case}}, finally the player can adventure onto the open sea of Routes {{rtn|19|Kanto}} and {{rtn|20|Kanto}}. A short way across them, of course, is a minor obstacle: the [[Seafoam Islands]]. After they have been navigated through, the player can continue on Route 20 to [[Cinnabar Island]], home of [[Blaine]]'s {{type|Fire}} Gym. There are also several more facilities on the island, including one that actually revives Pokémon [[Fossil]]s. After Blaine's defeat, [[Bill]] shows up again, because he needs help in a small region south of Kanto, the [[Sevii Islands]]. If the player accepts, the [[Seagallop Ferry]] will travel to {{OBP|One Island|town}}, where a friend of Bill's, [[Celio]], is attempting to connect the islands' PC system to that of Kanto. During this, there is also a crisis in {{OBP|Two Island|town}}, where the daughter of the owner of the [[Joyful Game Corner]] has gone missing, and in {{OBP|Three Island|town}} where a group of invading {{tc|Biker}}s are causing trouble. After defeating them and finding the lost girl, [[Lostelle]], who is in [[Berry Forest]], Bill and the player will return to Kanto, where the final Gym, that of Viridian City, lies.

Finally unlocked, the Gym, whose leader specializes in {{type|Ground}}s, is revealed to be none other than the boss of Team Rocket himself, [[Giovanni]]! After his defeat, he vows to disband Team Rocket and disappears. Now with eight Badges, all that lies ahead is the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]], conveniently at the end of {{rt|23|Kanto}}.

The [[Elite Four]] await challengers, those who have proven themselves worthy by getting all eight Badges and making it through {{ka|Victory Road}} will face them, in order. [[Lorelei]], who [[Pokémon training|trains]] {{type|Ice}} Pokémon is first, followed by [[Bruno]], whose specialty is {{t|Fighting}}, [[Agatha]], whose specialty is {{t|Ghost}}, and finally [[Lance]], who specializes in {{type|Dragon}}s. After defeating these four, the reigning [[Pokémon Champion]] challenges the player to a final battle, and the Champion is none other than the player's own rival! After his defeat, Oak arrives and tells the player that they won because they care better for their Pokémon, and the player's current [[party]] are added to the [[Hall of Fame]].

===Postgame===
After the credits roll, the player is back in Pallet Town. [[Professor Oak]] will have the player come to his lab to check on the Pokédex, and if the player has caught at least 60 Pokémon, will upgrade it and ask for the player to return to the Sevii Islands to encounter Pokémon Oak has never before seen.

There is some more work that Celio needs to do on his network machine, as he wishes to link to yet [[Hoenn|another region]]. The signal, however, is not strong enough, and he needs the Ruby and the Sapphire, two items found in the Sevii Islands, to strengthen it. The Ruby is found deep in a cave in [[Mt. Ember]], which Team Rocket grunts have been seen fooling around with. The Sapphire lies at the deepest part of the [[Dotted Hole]] in [[Ruin Valley]]. The Ruby can be given to Celio without a hitch; however, the Sapphire, when found, is stolen by a {{tc|Scientist}} named [[Gideon]], who takes it back to Team Rocket's [[Rocket Warehouse|warehouse]] in the [[Five Isle Meadow]]. By infiltrating the warehouse and defeating the remaining Rocket Admins, they realize that Giovanni has disbanded Team Rocket. They do, however, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|vow to return one day]], and bring Team Rocket back to its glory. Gideon reluctantly gives back the Sapphire, and after this, trades are possible with the [[Hoenn]]-based {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. The Elite Four can once again be challenged, and their Pokémon are 12 levels higher, as well as some of them possessing new Pokémon. [[Cerulean Cave]], as well, is now open, and the powerful {{p|Mewtwo}} can be found there.

==Blurb==
Set off on a grand adventure to fulfil your dreams of becoming a [[Pokémon Master]]! Explore the [[Kanto]] region and discover wild Pokémon around every corner. Build you Pokémon collection and train and battle your way to success—earn your badges as you develop winning strategies to use against experienced [[Gym Leader]]s in every town. Explore every inch to uncover amazing secrets that will help you in your quest to be the very best trainer ever!
*Trade, battle, and chat wirelessly! All new [[Wireless Adapter]] comes packed in every game, so trainers can trade, battle, and chat between their FireRed and LeafGreen versions with no cables!
*Catch loads of Pokémon in never-before-seen island areas!
*Expand you collection when you trade with a friend. Link up with [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire]] or [[Pokémon Colosseum]] to catch them all!

==Changes from Pokémon Red and Green==
[[Image:FireRed First Battle.png|thumb|300px|The battle screen]]
* {{Player|Players}} can now play as a {{ga|Leaf|female character}} as an alternative to the {{ga|Red|male character}} that was the only option in [[Generation I]].
* As in all [[Generation III]] {{pkmn|games}}, Pokémon now have [[nature]]s, [[Ability|Abilities]], and [[gender]]s and can [[held item|hold items]].
* A resume feature was introduced, allowing players to remember the four most important events they achieved in the games the last time they were played. Once the [[Elite Four]] has been defeated, the resume feature displays the last four notable things the player has done recently instead of showing a specific event.
* A game introduction feature, which explains the controls of the game, was added. This feature continued to appear in further games, except in {{v2|Emerald}}.
* A help feature was added that can be activated by pressing the L or R button on the console. There is also another help feature in the form of the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Teachy TV}}, which is given by an {{ka|old man}} in [[Viridian City]].
* When entering certain locations, such as [[Viridian Forest]] or [[Diglett's Cave]], an image of the location appears.
* {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}} now are {{2t|Electric|Steel}}, as they have been since [[Generation II]]. In the original {{v2|Red and Green|s}} games, they were pure {{type|Electric}}.
* Pokémon retain their Generation II and III [[evolution]]ary lines (e.g. {{p|Golbat}} can evolve into {{p|Crobat}}) but cannot evolve into these new stages until after the player has obtained the [[National Pokédex]]. {{p|Eevee}} is the only exception to this since {{p|Espeon}} and {{p|Umbreon}} cannot be obtained due to the lack of a clock system in the game and trading between the other Generation III games is required to obtain them.
* A new southern region, the [[Sevii Islands]], is accessible, where [[Generation II]] Pokémon can be caught. Notably, most of these Pokémon cannot be found in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}.
* [[Team Rocket]] has an expanded role in the game's post-Elite Four storyline, with a new base in the Sevii Islands.
* Battles with the wild [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}} feature a remixed battle theme. In addition, Moltres has moved from its original location in {{ka|Victory Road}} to [[Mt. Ember]]. [[Cerulean Cave]], where Mewtwo resides, now requires {{m|Rock Smash}} for navigation, and it cannot be entered until after the post-game mission in the Sevii Islands has been completed.
* One of [[Johto]]'s [[legendary beasts]] ({{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, or {{p|Suicune}}) will [[Roaming Pokémon|roam]] around Kanto after defeating the Elite Four and obtaining the National Pokédex. The beast that appears is the one that has a type advantage over the player's [[starter Pokémon]].
* [[Version-exclusive Pokémon]] and [[wild Pokémon]] distribution have been altered from the original games to account for new evolutions released in [[Generation II]].
* Pokémon can [[Pokémon breeding|breed]] in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}. The daycare on {{rt|5|Kanto}} remains, but it is still limited to only caring for one Pokémon at a time.
* The Ability {{a|Pickup}} has been modified from {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, which also includes that some of the [[Berry|Berries]] from those versions can be picked up in FireRed and LeafGreen. This is due to the inability to grow Berries in [[Kanto]]. The other Berries can only be collected by trading Pokémon from those versions as well as {{v2|Emerald}}.
* A man is present in a house in [[Cerulean City]] and will help create [[Berry Powder]] via [[Berry Crush]]. This powder can then be exchanged for rare and valuable items.
* {{pkmn|Trainer}}s outdoors can be rebattled using the [[Vs. Seeker]].
* Information on major characters such as [[Gym Leader]]s is recorded in the [[Fame Checker]].
* Three additional aides for Professor Oak have been added to reward the player with items that were introduced in Generations II and III, while a returning aid now gives out the {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Exp. Share}}, the upgraded version of the Generation I item {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Exp. All}}.
* Pokémon movelists are updated to include moves introduced in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]].
* The [[TM]] list is shared with other Generation III games. In addition, [[Move Tutor]]s become available to teach moves formerly contained in [[Generation I]] TMs.
* The [[Elite Four]] can be rebattled and acquire {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} on their teams after the [[Sevii Islands]] quest has been completed.
* {{m|Blast Burn}}, {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, and {{m|Hydro Cannon}} are available as Move Tutor moves at [[Cape Brink]] on [[Boon Island|Two Island]]. They can only be taught to the final evolved form of the player's [[starter Pokémon]] or other members of that same species.
* There is a new minigame corner, the [[Joyful Game Corner]] on [[Boon Island|Two Island]], where players can connect together, along with {{v2|Emerald}}, and can play multiplayer minigames over the [[Wireless Adapter|wireless communication system]]. This feature becomes usable after the events at [[Kin Island]].
* In non-Japanese versions, dialogue is colored blue or red depending on whether the speaker is male or female, respectively. Text from other sources, such as signs, remains black.
* The music has been remixed to take advantage of the [[Game Boy Advance]]'s power; however, the themes themselves remain the same (including a few Gold/Silver/Crystal themes being utilized in Islands Four to Seven of the Sevii Islands.
** However, the [[Power Plant]] background music has been changed. In the original games, it played the [[Rocket Hideout]] theme, while in FireRed and LeafGreen, it plays the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} theme.
** In the original games while battling the [[Elite Four]], only the battle with [[Lance]] used the Gym Leader background music; the standard Trainer background music was used for the other three Elite Four members. However, in FireRed and LeafGreen, the Gym Leader background music is used for all four Elite Four members.
** In the original games, when Professor Oak congratulates the player after becoming the Pokémon League Champion, a slower version of the Viridian/Pewter/Saffron City background music plays. However, in FireRed and LeafGreen, a happier-toned version of the Pallet Town background music plays when Professor Oak appears to congratulate the player.
* {{p|Ponyta}} and {{p|Magmar}} (LeafGreen only) have been moved to new locations. Ponyta is now located on One Island's [[Kindle Road]], and Magmar is now at [[Mt. Ember]]. In Generation I, they were both found in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on [[Cinnabar Island]].
* {{p|Deoxys}} debuts two new forms: Attack Forme (FireRed) and Defense Forme (LeafGreen), which appear exclusively in the respective games.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] in these games is very heavily similar to the one in the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}, which was never released outside of Japan. The only difference is the Generation III addition of {{m|Rock Smash}} boulders.

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation III]] which has that Pokémon available. In addition, [[Mew]], several {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} and a majority of {{cat|Generation III Pokémon}} must be traded from a [[Hoenn]]-based game (Only three Generation III Pokémon, {{p|Azurill}}, {{p|Wynaut}}, And [[Deoxys]] can be obtained in FireRed and LeafGreen).
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==Compatibility==
FireRed and LeafGreen were created as a result of the first [[Generation III]] games, {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, lacking backward compatibility with Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}}. [[trade|Trading]] between these games and the third Hoenn-based game, {{game|Emerald}}, is possible through the traditional [[link cable]]. Trading with other copies of FireRed or LeafGreen as well as with Emerald may also be done through the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]], though Ruby and Sapphire are not compatible with it. Using a GameCube-GBA cable, players may also trade party Pokémon with {{g|Colosseum}} and {{Pokémon XD}}, but only after the player has obtained the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Ruby}} and {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Sapphire}} and given them to [[Celio]].

While FireRed and LeafGreen cannot trade directly with the [[Generation IV]] games {{game5|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, a player's Pokémon may be permanently transferred via [[Pal Park]], and some {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} can be found using [[dual-slot mode]]. Pokémon obtained in these games can be transferred forward to [[Generation V]] games by transferring through a Generation IV game.

==Reception==
FireRed and LeafGreen received strong sales. Over 800,000 copies were sold in Japan over the first week of release. This number was lower than that of counterparts {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}; this has been attributed to the fact that they are remakes.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/488/488976p1.html IGN: Pokemania] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Nintendo remarketed the games as "Player's Choice" two years after the initial release; this re-release did not include the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|Wireless Adapter]] that came with the original release.

The games were praised by critics for maintaining the same storyline as the original versions, and also for incorporating new events. Criticism was received, however, for the lack of graphical improvement from Ruby and Sapphire.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/544/544549p1.html IGN: Pokemon FireRed Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Generally, the games scored highly. ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' magazine gave them 4.5/5, and labeled the games as "great".<ref>''Nintendo Power'' magazine. Issue 184; page 123. October 2004.</ref>

==Trivia==
[[Image:Thetruckreturns.png|thumb|270px|right|The infamous truck]]
* These games were the first remakes of Pokémon games, being followed by the [[Generation II]] remakes {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
** A number of [[List of cross-generational references#To Generation II|references]] to the plot and characters of the [[Generation II]] games, {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, appear in these games. These were correctly interpreted by fans as hints at an eventual {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|remake}} of the pair in [[Generation IV]].
* The LeafGreen [[Pokédex]] entries are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Blue|s}} as well as the [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Japanese Blue]] for the {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}}. The FireRed entries for the same Pokémon are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}.
* In the end credits, the [[version mascot]]s of the four [[Generation I]] games appear, transforming from their in-game sprites to the pose they took on the Japanese boxart of their respective games.
* Despite the fact that outside of Japan, {{game|Red and Blue|s|Red Version was paired with Blue Version}}, LeafGreen saw release internationally. A trademark was filed for '''Pokémon WaterBlue Version'''{{fact}}, however, indicating that this renaming may have been considered.
* {{DL|S.S. Anne|Rumors|The truck}}, long rumored to have a [[Poké Ball]] containing {{p|Mew}} under it, appears again as scenery near the [[S.S. Anne]]. This time around, however, there is a {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}} hidden on the dock, which normally cannot be obtained until much later in the game.
* The [[species]] names present in FireRed and LeafGreen are cut off in early English releases of the games, most specifically those species names made up of more than one word with a space in between. This causes Pokémon like {{p|Pidgey}} to be listed as "Tiny Pokémon" rather than "Tiny Bird Pokémon." [[Pokédex data structure in Generation III|Internal game data]] lists the species name the same as it appears in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} and other games, indicating a glitch in the Pokédex where a blank space is confused for the terminating byte for the name. This was addressed in later releases of the game. This is the easiest way to tell whether the game in question is a v1.0 or v1.1 release.
* Along with the original [[Generation I]] games, these are the only main series games that do not involve a [[legendary Pokémon]] in their main plot. Incidentally, they are also the last [[version|main series]] Pokémon games to feature a non-legendary Pokémon on the cover.
* According to [[Junichi Masuda]], the reason why LeafGreen did not become WaterBlue outside of Japan was for the following reasons: A leaf is a symbol of peace, while fire and water are opposing concepts and thus would seem more like a conflict. A leaf is also an easier concept to grasp and translate into other languages, and in this world of conflicts, the creators wanted to give a name suggestive of a peaceful world. [[Game Freak]] also wanted a colorful drawing of a {{p|Bulbasaur}} family member on the boxart. Masuda explains that, as with [[legendary Pokémon]], creating a title for each Pokémon game that can be used and easily understood in all countries is not an easy task.
* If a FireRed or LeafGreen cart is present in Slot 2 of the [[Nintendo DS]], the migration feature in the menu screen of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} is incorrectly stated as "Migrate from Fire Red" or "Migrate from Leaf Green", with a space in the middle of the version names. This mistake was fixed in {{game|Platinum}}, which removed the space.
* {{p|Wynaut}} and {{p|Azurill}}, the two [[baby Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation III]] and first seen in [[Hoenn]] can be obtained before unlocking trades with the Hoenn-based games by breeding any compatible Pokémon while holding the {{DL|Incense|Sea Incense}} and the {{DL|Incense|Lax Incense}}, both found in the [[Lost Cave]].
* The game prevents Pokémon from evolving if their evolved form's [[National Pokédex]] number is greater than 151 prior to the National Pokédex itself is obtained, however, Generation II Pokémon that evolve ''into'' a Generation I Pokémon are not prevented from evolving.
* The boy who prevents the player from leaving Pewter City before Brock is defeated (by showing the player to the Gym) now returns the way he came. In Generation I, he would instead walk east and vanish offscreen, where a barrier prevents the player from walking.
* In [[Teachy TV]], at registering items aspect, second instance of word pocket in <sc>key items pocket</sc> is misspelled as pokcet.
* During the credits, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Blastoise}} are shown with special 3-frame sprites, with first frame being the in-battle sprite and the other two sprites being unique.
===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{firered color}}|bordercolor={{leafgreen color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン
|fr_eu=Pokémon Version Rouge-Feu et Version Vert-Feuille
|de=Pokémon Feuerrote Edition und Blattgrüne Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Rosso Fuoco e Versione Verde Foglia
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 파이어레드·리프그린|Pocket Monsters FireRed and LeafGreen}}{{fn|1}}
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Rojo Fuego y Edición Verde Hoja}}

* {{fnb|1}}Although these games were not translated into Korean, these names are still used on official Pokémon material in South Korea.

==See also==
* [[Appendix:FireRed and LeafGreen walkthrough|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Walkthrough]]

==References==
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Pokémon Master

2013-01-29T12:16:39Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Theories */

It is the goal of [[Ash Ketchum]], as well as many other [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, to become a '''Pokémon Master''', sometimes known as Champion Master. However, exactly what this position is and how one attains it is vague and never fully explained. This, however, is done intentionally, as explained by a [[Nintendo]] representative in response to an email sent to [[Pokémon.com]]'s mailbag;

<blockquote>"I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature.
It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universe."</blockquote>

==Theories==
{{fan speculation|section}}
* It has been theorized that when one becomes a [[Pokémon Champion]] of a regional [[Pokémon League]], one attains the title of Master—however, this might not be correct, as Ash won the [[Orange League]] without attaining the position to anyone's knowledge. Indeed, other Pokémon League Champions haven't ever been referred to as Pokémon Masters, either. Another theory is that, in the context of the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon Masters are the members of the [[Elite Four]]. [[Extreme Pokémon: The Guide for the Ultimate Fan]] calls [[Lorelei|Prima]] a Pokémon Master.
* In {{5v2|Red|Blue|Yellow|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, upon defeating [[Lance]], he declares the player a Pokémon Master.
* After defeating [[Giovanni]] at [[Viridian Gym]], when he gives the player the Earth Badge he says it is "evidence of your mastery as a Pokémon Trainer" which may imply that a Pokémon Master is one who has collected all of the Badges in a [[region]].
* [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]] states that a Trainer would deserve the title of Pokémon Master upon defeating or capturing {{p|Mewtwo}}, which would, in terms of the anime, obviously be very impractical, if not impossible. But the handbook also refers to the Elite Four members as Master Trainers, implying that any Elite Four member can call themselves a Master.
** This would mean that {{an|Giovanni}} would be the first and only Pokémon Master in the {{pkmn|anime}}. It would also mean that there are 3 Pokémon Masters in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga: [[Blaine]], the original owner and creator of {{Adv|Mewtwo}}, according to [[PS016|Tauros the Tyrant]], [[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]] and [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; {{Adv|Red}}, who caught Mewtwo with a [[Master Ball]] in [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; and {{Adv|Yellow}}, who used Mewtwo in [[PS081|Aerodactyl Redux]].
* According to [[A Sneak Peek at Pokémon]], the very first official promotional video, one of the tasks to become a Pokémon Master is to capture all Pokémon. Likewise, [[The Official Pokémon Collector's Sticker Book]] implies that one is made a Pokémon Master by catching all Pokémon. In theory, Ash almost had all of the Pokémon in the world on his side in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', but did not officially own them. This task, however, would in practice seem impossible, especially taking into account certain [[legendary Pokémon]]. The franchise dropping the "[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]" motto may indicate that this is no longer the case, however.
** ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' is also notable for making this goal in the anime seem problematic, since a major plot point in the film was [[Lawrence III]] capturing the {{OBP|legendary birds|M02}} and disrupting the balance of nature. If these three Pokémon were the only ones of their kind in the anime, then the title of Pokémon Master could possibly not be achieved without putting the world at risk. However, the same Pokémon had appeared in other episodes of the anime as well.
* The book [[Charizard, Go!]] states that a Pokémon Master must catch one of every kind of Pokémon and become a member of the [[Pokémon League]].
* According to [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga, however, which is based on the anime, a Pokémon Master is simply an elite Trainer who is considered a professional and regularly takes part in Pokémon League competitions.
* A Pokémon Master is possibly a Trainer that has become unbeatable. This is supported by the fact that in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', Nurse Joy (while brainwashed) invites the Trainers to have a battle against the world's greatest Pokémon Master on [[New Island]], who is later revealed to be {{an|Mewtwo}}.
* The [[Pokemon World Tournament]] Pokemon Master Tournament implies that a Pokemon Master is a trainer who has achieved mastery of at least one [[Type]] - that is, a trainer who can win a battle using only Pokemon of a given type. Due to this, every [[Gym Leader]], member of the [[Elite Four]] and every [[Champion]] with a type specialty would be considered a Pokemon Master.

* However, If this is the case, Players Can Be Considered More Than a specific Type of Pokemon Master, For Example, A Player May be both a Fire Pokemon Master and a Fighting Type Master, so Long as They Use Only Fire or Fighting Type In a Single Given Battle, Unless One Of their Pokemon Is Both a Fire And Fighting Type.

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Anime Trainer classes]]

[[de:Pokémon-Meister]]
[[fr:Maître Pokémon]]
[[it:Maestro Pokémon]]
[[ja:ポケモンマスター]]

Pokémon Master

2013-01-29T12:15:49Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Theories */

It is the goal of [[Ash Ketchum]], as well as many other [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, to become a '''Pokémon Master''', sometimes known as Champion Master. However, exactly what this position is and how one attains it is vague and never fully explained. This, however, is done intentionally, as explained by a [[Nintendo]] representative in response to an email sent to [[Pokémon.com]]'s mailbag;

<blockquote>"I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature.
It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universe."</blockquote>

==Theories==
{{fan speculation|section}}
* It has been theorized that when one becomes a [[Pokémon Champion]] of a regional [[Pokémon League]], one attains the title of Master—however, this might not be correct, as Ash won the [[Orange League]] without attaining the position to anyone's knowledge. Indeed, other Pokémon League Champions haven't ever been referred to as Pokémon Masters, either. Another theory is that, in the context of the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon Masters are the members of the [[Elite Four]]. [[Extreme Pokémon: The Guide for the Ultimate Fan]] calls [[Lorelei|Prima]] a Pokémon Master.
* In {{5v2|Red|Blue|Yellow|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, upon defeating [[Lance]], he declares the player a Pokémon Master.
* After defeating [[Giovanni]] at [[Viridian Gym]], when he gives the player the Earth Badge he says it is "evidence of your mastery as a Pokémon Trainer" which may imply that a Pokémon Master is one who has collected all of the Badges in a [[region]].
* [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]] states that a Trainer would deserve the title of Pokémon Master upon defeating or capturing {{p|Mewtwo}}, which would, in terms of the anime, obviously be very impractical, if not impossible. But the handbook also refers to the Elite Four members as Master Trainers, implying that any Elite Four member can call themselves a Master.
** This would mean that {{an|Giovanni}} would be the first and only Pokémon Master in the {{pkmn|anime}}. It would also mean that there are 3 Pokémon Masters in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga: [[Blaine]], the original owner and creator of {{Adv|Mewtwo}}, according to [[PS016|Tauros the Tyrant]], [[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]] and [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; {{Adv|Red}}, who caught Mewtwo with a [[Master Ball]] in [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; and {{Adv|Yellow}}, who used Mewtwo in [[PS081|Aerodactyl Redux]].
* According to [[A Sneak Peek at Pokémon]], the very first official promotional video, one of the tasks to become a Pokémon Master is to capture all Pokémon. Likewise, [[The Official Pokémon Collector's Sticker Book]] implies that one is made a Pokémon Master by catching all Pokémon. In theory, Ash almost had all of the Pokémon in the world on his side in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', but did not officially own them. This task, however, would in practice seem impossible, especially taking into account certain [[legendary Pokémon]]. The franchise dropping the "[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]" motto may indicate that this is no longer the case, however.
** ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' is also notable for making this goal in the anime seem problematic, since a major plot point in the film was [[Lawrence III]] capturing the {{OBP|legendary birds|M02}} and disrupting the balance of nature. If these three Pokémon were the only ones of their kind in the anime, then the title of Pokémon Master could possibly not be achieved without putting the world at risk. However, the same Pokémon had appeared in other episodes of the anime as well.
* The book [[Charizard, Go!]] states that a Pokémon Master must catch one of every kind of Pokémon and become a member of the [[Pokémon League]].
* According to [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga, however, which is based on the anime, a Pokémon Master is simply an elite Trainer who is considered a professional and regularly takes part in Pokémon League competitions.
* A Pokémon Master is possibly a Trainer that has become unbeatable. This is supported by the fact that in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', Nurse Joy (while brainwashed) invites the Trainers to have a battle against the world's greatest Pokémon Master on [[New Island]], who is later revealed to be {{an|Mewtwo}}.
* The [[Pokemon World Tournament]] Pokemon Master Tournament implies that a Pokemon Master is a trainer who has achieved mastery of at least one [[Type]] - that is, a trainer who can win a battle using only Pokemon of a given type. Due to this, every [[Gym Leader]], member of the [[Elite Four]] and every [[Champion]] with a type specialty would be considered a Pokemon Master.

* However, If this is the case, Players Can Be Considered More Than a specific Type of Pokemon Master, For Example, A Player May
be both a Fire Pokemon Master and a Fighting Type Master, so Long as They Use Only Fire or Fighting Type In a
Single Given Battle, Unless One Of their Pokemon Is Both a Fire And Fighting Type.

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Anime Trainer classes]]

[[de:Pokémon-Meister]]
[[fr:Maître Pokémon]]
[[it:Maestro Pokémon]]
[[ja:ポケモンマスター]]

Pokémon Master

2013-01-29T12:14:59Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Theories */

It is the goal of [[Ash Ketchum]], as well as many other [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, to become a '''Pokémon Master''', sometimes known as Champion Master. However, exactly what this position is and how one attains it is vague and never fully explained. This, however, is done intentionally, as explained by a [[Nintendo]] representative in response to an email sent to [[Pokémon.com]]'s mailbag;

<blockquote>"I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature.
It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universe."</blockquote>

==Theories==
{{fan speculation|section}}
* It has been theorized that when one becomes a [[Pokémon Champion]] of a regional [[Pokémon League]], one attains the title of Master—however, this might not be correct, as Ash won the [[Orange League]] without attaining the position to anyone's knowledge. Indeed, other Pokémon League Champions haven't ever been referred to as Pokémon Masters, either. Another theory is that, in the context of the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon Masters are the members of the [[Elite Four]]. [[Extreme Pokémon: The Guide for the Ultimate Fan]] calls [[Lorelei|Prima]] a Pokémon Master.
* In {{5v2|Red|Blue|Yellow|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, upon defeating [[Lance]], he declares the player a Pokémon Master.
* After defeating [[Giovanni]] at [[Viridian Gym]], when he gives the player the Earth Badge he says it is "evidence of your mastery as a Pokémon Trainer" which may imply that a Pokémon Master is one who has collected all of the Badges in a [[region]].
* [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]] states that a Trainer would deserve the title of Pokémon Master upon defeating or capturing {{p|Mewtwo}}, which would, in terms of the anime, obviously be very impractical, if not impossible. But the handbook also refers to the Elite Four members as Master Trainers, implying that any Elite Four member can call themselves a Master.
** This would mean that {{an|Giovanni}} would be the first and only Pokémon Master in the {{pkmn|anime}}. It would also mean that there are 3 Pokémon Masters in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga: [[Blaine]], the original owner and creator of {{Adv|Mewtwo}}, according to [[PS016|Tauros the Tyrant]], [[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]] and [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; {{Adv|Red}}, who caught Mewtwo with a [[Master Ball]] in [[PS035|And Mewtwo Three!]]; and {{Adv|Yellow}}, who used Mewtwo in [[PS081|Aerodactyl Redux]].
* According to [[A Sneak Peek at Pokémon]], the very first official promotional video, one of the tasks to become a Pokémon Master is to capture all Pokémon. Likewise, [[The Official Pokémon Collector's Sticker Book]] implies that one is made a Pokémon Master by catching all Pokémon. In theory, Ash almost had all of the Pokémon in the world on his side in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', but did not officially own them. This task, however, would in practice seem impossible, especially taking into account certain [[legendary Pokémon]]. The franchise dropping the "[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]" motto may indicate that this is no longer the case, however.
** ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' is also notable for making this goal in the anime seem problematic, since a major plot point in the film was [[Lawrence III]] capturing the {{OBP|legendary birds|M02}} and disrupting the balance of nature. If these three Pokémon were the only ones of their kind in the anime, then the title of Pokémon Master could possibly not be achieved without putting the world at risk. However, the same Pokémon had appeared in other episodes of the anime as well.
* The book [[Charizard, Go!]] states that a Pokémon Master must catch one of every kind of Pokémon and become a member of the [[Pokémon League]].
* According to [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga, however, which is based on the anime, a Pokémon Master is simply an elite Trainer who is considered a professional and regularly takes part in Pokémon League competitions.
* A Pokémon Master is possibly a Trainer that has become unbeatable. This is supported by the fact that in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', Nurse Joy (while brainwashed) invites the Trainers to have a battle against the world's greatest Pokémon Master on [[New Island]], who is later revealed to be {{an|Mewtwo}}.
* The [[Pokemon World Tournament]] Pokemon Master Tournament implies that a Pokemon Master is a trainer who has achieved mastery of at least one [[Type]] - that is, a trainer who can win a battle using only Pokemon of a given type. Due to this, every [[Gym Leader]], member of the [[Elite Four]] and every [[Champion]] with a type specialty would be considered a Pokemon Master.
* However, If this is the case, Players Can Be Considered More Than a specific Type of Pokemon Master, For Example, A Player May
be both a Fire Pokemon Master and a Fighting Type Master, so Long as They Use Only Fire or Fighting Type In a
Single Given Battle, Unless One Of their Pokemon Is Both a Fire And Fighting Type.

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Anime Trainer classes]]

[[de:Pokémon-Meister]]
[[fr:Maître Pokémon]]
[[it:Maestro Pokémon]]
[[ja:ポケモンマスター]]

Type expert

2013-01-29T12:06:39Z

Hwrdjacob: /* Intro */

{{move|Type expert}}
A '''type specialist''' is a [[Pokémon Trainer]] who specializes in just one [[type]]. These Trainers are most commonly [[Gym Leader]]s or members of the [[Elite Four]]. There are also some [[Trainer class]]es that specialize in one type, such as the {{tc|Bug Catcher}}s who specialize solely in training and battling with {{type|Bug}} Pokémon. The [[Pokemon World Tournament]] Implies that a Type Specialist is a [[Pokemon Master]], Since They Have Mastered using their Type.

Some notable type specialists include [[Brock]], the [[Pewter City]] Gym Leader who specializes in only {{type|Rock}} Pokémon, and [[Misty]], the [[Cerulean City]] Gym Leader who specializes in only {{type|Water}} Pokémon.

=={{color2|{{bug color}}|Bug (type)|Bug-type}} specialists==
*[[Bugsy]] of the [[Azalea Town]] Gym
*{{EF|Aaron}} of the [[Sinnoh]] Elite Four
*[[Burgh]] of the [[Castelia City]] Gym
*{{tc|Bug Catcher}}s
*{{tc|Bug Maniac}}s

=={{color2|{{dark color}}|Dark (type)|Dark-type}} specialists==
*[[Karen]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four{{tt|*|Generations II and IV}}
*[[Sidney]] of the [[Hoenn]] Elite Four
*[[Grimsley]] of the [[Unova]] Elite Four

=={{color2|{{dragon color}}|Dragon (type)|Dragon-type}} specialists==
*[[Lance]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four and Indigo Champion
*[[Clair]] of the [[Blackthorn City]] Gym
*{{EF|Drake}} of the [[Hoenn]] Elite Four
*[[Drayden]] of the [[Opelucid City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon Black, Black 2 and White 2 only}}
*[[Iris]] of the [[Opelucid City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon White only}} and [[Unova]] Champion
*{{tc|Dragon Tamer}}s

=={{color2|{{electric color}}|Electric (type)|Electric-type}} specialists==
*[[Lt. Surge]] of the [[Vermilion City]] Gym
*[[Wattson]] of the [[Mauville City]] Gym
*[[Volkner]] of the [[Sunyshore City]] Gym
*[[Elesa]] of the [[Nimbasa City]] Gym
*{{tc|Engineer}}s
*{{tc|Rocker}}s
*{{tc|Guitarist}}s
*{{tc|Poké Kid}}s

=={{color2|{{fighting color}}|Fighting (type)|Fighting-type}} specialists==
*[[Bruno]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four
*[[Chuck]] of the [[Cianwood City]] Gym
*[[Brawly]] of the [[Dewford Town]] Gym
*{{FB|Arena Tycoon|Greta}} of the {{DL|Battle Frontier (Generation III)|Battle Arena}} in the Battle Frontier{{tt|*|anime only}}
*[[Maylene]] of the [[Veilstone City]] Gym
*[[Marshal]] of the [[Unova]] Elite Four
*{{tc|Roughneck}}s
*{{tc|Black Belt}}s
*{{tc|Sailor}}s
*{{tc|Battle Girl}}s
*{{tc|Crush Girl}}s
*{{tc|Crush Kin}}s
*{{tc|Expert}}s

=={{color2|{{fire color}}|Fire (type)|Fire-type}} specialists==
*[[Blaine]] of the [[Cinnabar Island]] Gym
*[[Flannery]] of the [[Lavaridge Town]] Gym
*{{EF|Flint}} of the [[Sinnoh]] Elite Four
*[[Chili]] of the [[Striaton City]] Gym
*Members of [[Team Magma]], including the leader [[Maxie]], the {{tc|Magma Admin|Admins}}, and the {{tc|Team Magma Grunt|Grunts}}
*{{tc|Burglar}}s
*{{tc|Firebreather}}s
*{{tc|Kindler}}s
*{{tc|Biker}}s{{tt|*|Generation II}}

=={{color2|{{flying color}}|Flying (type)|Flying-type}} specialists==
*[[Falkner]] of the [[Violet City]] Gym
*[[Winona]] of the [[Fortree City]] Gym
*[[Skyla]] of the [[Mistralton City]] Gym
*{{tc|Bird Keeper}}s
*{{tc|Pilot}}s

=={{color2|{{ghost color}}|Ghost (type)|Ghost-type}} specialists==
*[[Agatha]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four{{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
*[[Morty]] of the [[Ecruteak City]] Gym
*[[Phoebe]] of the [[Hoenn]] Elite Four
*[[Fantina]] of the [[Hearthome City]] Gym
*[[Shauntal]] of the [[Unova]] Elite Four
*{{tc|Channeler}}s
*{{tc|Medium}}s
*{{tc|Hex Maniac}}s

=={{color2|{{grass color}}|Grass (type)|Grass-type}} specialists==
*[[Erika]] of the [[Celadon City]] Gym
*[[Gardenia]] of the [[Eterna City]] Gym
*[[Cilan]] of the [[Striaton City]] Gym
*{{tc|Aroma Lady|Aroma Ladies}}

=={{color2|{{ground color}}|Ground (type)|Ground-type}} specialists==
*[[Giovanni]] of the [[Viridian City]] Gym {{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
*[[Bertha]] of the [[Sinnoh]] [[Elite Four]]
*[[Clay]] of the [[Driftveil City]] Gym
*{{tc|Ruin Maniac}}s{{tt|*|Generation III}}
*{{tc|Team Magma Grunt}}s

=={{color2|{{ice color}}|Ice (type)|Ice-type}} specialists==
*[[Lorelei]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four{{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
*[[Pryce]] of the [[Mahogany Town]] Gym
*[[Glacia]] of the [[Hoenn]] Elite Four
*[[Candice]] of the [[Snowpoint City]] Gym
*[[Brycen]] of the [[Icirrus City]] Gym
*{{tc|Skier}}s
*{{tc|Boarder}}s

=={{color2|{{normal color}}|Normal (type)|Normal-type}} specialists==
*[[Whitney]] of the [[Goldenrod City]] Gym
*[[Norman]] of the [[Petalburg City]] Gym
*[[Lenora]] of the [[Nacrene City]] Gym
*[[Cheren]] of the [[Aspertia City]] Gym
*{{tc|Idol}}s

=={{color2|{{poison color}}|Poison (type)|Poison-type}} specialists==
*[[Koga]] of the [[Fuchsia City]] Gym{{tt|*|Generations I and III}} and [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four{{tt|*|Generations II and IV}}
*[[Janine]] of the [[Fuchsia City]] Gym{{tt|*|Generations II and IV}}
*[[Roxie]] of the [[Virbank City]] Gym
*{{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s
*{{tc|Biker}}s
*{{tc|Janitor}}s

=={{color2|{{psychic color}}|Psychic (type)|Psychic-type}} specialists==
*[[Sabrina]] of the [[Saffron City]] Gym
*[[Will]] of the [[Indigo League|Indigo]] Elite Four{{tt|*|Generations II and IV}}
*[[Tate and Liza]] of the [[Mossdeep City]] Gym
*{{FB|Salon Maiden|Anabel}} of the {{ho|Battle Tower}} in the Battle Frontier{{tt|*|anime only}}
*[[Lucian]] of the [[Sinnoh]] Elite Four
*[[Caitlin]] of the [[Unova]] Elite Four
*{{tc|Psychic}}s
*{{tc|Hex Maniac}}s

=={{color2|{{rock color}}|Rock (type)|Rock-type}} specialists==
*[[Brock]] of the [[Pewter City]] Gym
*[[Roxanne]] of the [[Rustboro City]] Gym
*[[Roark]] of the [[Oreburgh City]] Gym
*{{tc|Hiker}}s

=={{color2|{{steel color}}|Steel (type)|Steel-type}} specialists==
*[[Jasmine]] of the [[Olivine City]] Gym
*[[Steven Stone]], [[Hoenn]] Champion
*[[Byron]] of the [[Canalave City]] Gym
*[[Colress]]
*[[Riley]]{{tt|*|anime only}}
*{{tc|Ruin Maniac}}s{{tt|*|Generation IV}}

=={{color2|{{water color}}|Water (type)|Water-type}} specialists==
*[[Misty]] of the [[Cerulean City]] Gym
*[[Wallace]] of the [[Sootopolis City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire}} and Hoenn Champion{{tt|*|Pokémon Emerald}}
*[[Juan]] of the [[Sootopolis City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon Emerald}}
*[[Crasher Wake]] of the [[Pastoria City]] Gym
*[[Cress]] of the [[Striaton City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon Black and White}}
*[[Marlon]] of the [[Humilau City]] Gym{{tt|*|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}
*Members of [[Team Aqua]], including the leader [[Archie]], the {{tc|Aqua Admin|Admins}}, and the {{tc|Team Aqua Grunt|Grunts}}
*{{tc|Swimmer}}s
*{{tc|Fisherman|Fishermen}}
*{{tc|Sailor}}s
*{{tc|Tuber}}s
*{{tc|Sis and Bro}}

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