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Talk:Kanto Route 1

2010-04-30T13:12:05Z

GT4GTR: /* From the generational differences... */ new section

Preferably have a description running here akin to the descriptions available in the currently "up" walkthrough sections ( [[FrLg walkthrough/Section 1|1]] and [[FrLg walkthrough/Section 2|2]] ), with levels and the like?

Also, perhaps a list of attainable items?

:I don't know who wrote this, but both of these wishes have been fullfilled. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|TwinsMetsFan]] 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

== Where can i find Gen II maps of Gen I areas? ==

Where can i find Gen II maps of Gen I areas?
*It's called Google. Bulbapedia has most of them on the various pages, but you can find them all over the internet. Ryuutakeshi 2:20 August 27
*Get a rom, and a program call Gold Map then you can view maps in a pinch! [[User:Jason|-Mew Jadester]][[User talk:Jason|-tp-]] 09:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
*Here you have a map of GSC Kanto: [http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GB-GBC/Pokemon-GSC-Kanto.png Pokemon-GSC-Kanto.png]. Or search in VGMaps here: [http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GB-GBC/#P GB/GBC maps] or [http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GBA/#P GBA maps]. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 00:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== From the generational differences... ==

Where it says "the Generation I version has grassy patches to both the east and the west of the route itself."

This isn't exactly true, the grass isn't actually part of the route, it's just a tile that the borded is set as from memory. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC))

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2009-12-07T03:07:46Z

GT4GTR: /* From a so-so reliable source, I hear HGSS should be coming out in */

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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I have the jap version and am on Cyndaquil. Cyndaquil now learns Ember at lvl 10 rather than 12. [[User:Jono R|Jono R]] 17:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Moveset changes go on the individual Pokémon's page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::"These games will be released in Japan almost exactly..." should be "These games were released in Japan almost exactly ..." [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not quite. JpPt was the 13th of September. HGSS was the 12th. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Gift's from Mom===
When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC. (Camera men at various spots around the map. usually touristy)

could you always choose not to answer your phone? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon List==
Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/exclusives.shtml] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list
for this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon ==

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

[[User:050294|050294]] 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Games Leaked==

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, once the game is properly released it's sort of irrelevant if it was leaked or not. Almost EVERYTHING major gets leaked nowadays anyway. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trade Me! ==

How come alot of pokemon say on their locations box that they need to be traded in to heartgold and soulsilver, when thay can just be evolved from a pokemon that can be found in the wild. Take Kakuna for instance, you can find it in the national park in gold and silver, so you can probably catch it in the same way as well in HGSS. Or you could just evolve your weedle.--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 06:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:"Trade" is the default on the template. If you know where the Pokémon are located, then you can fix it up yourself. Take a look at a page that has the correct information, and work out how to code it :) All help appreciated. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Version Exclusives? ==

We get a list of those yet? Serebii has one, but for all I know, they just used the ones from GS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:From what I have seen, it is largely the same as GS, which is as expected. There are a few Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon there and everything I am aware of has been listed [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|here]]. I will export it into this article now; I just didn't have the time when I first made the list. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Also with this new addition on their site [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/rocksmash.shtml], Kabuto (HeartGold) and Omanyte (SoulSilver) and their evolutions now make their lists since their fossils can now be found in the game via Rock Smash along with Aerodactyl's fossil and a few other items such as amongst them. So at some point new details about Rock Smash and the Fossils can be put in, though for the fossils it still remains unknown on where to go to revive them. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::the pewter museum is once again open so the fossils can be revived there [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:uh....im playing HeartGold and yesterday i found a Helix Fossil....-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oy, need to do some serious talk on this and in case you don't know the dark lord tormbonator also updated the version exclusive pages other than the fact I updated the fossil Pokémon pages but I will revert my edits for the time being on Kabuto and Omanyte's pages. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== GAME PLAY Change! ==

I found out that in HG/SS, you can choose one of the three Kanto starters for yourself. It's true, a video with the real game that shows it! Oh, and an item that plays Gen. 2 music is also shown. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:49 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:What's the criteria for getting the Kanto starter? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Beating Red on MT. Silver. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 21:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but we've know about this since before the games came out. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 12:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
== Do we have clear pictures of the second covers? ==

I know there is a second cover to the games. It looks similar to the G/S ones.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

==Pokéball==
Something that was posted on Serebii.net at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/items.shtml] on the Pokéball section of that page is that the post-Generation II balls are available in the game. Until more details on this matter are acquired by someone who has a copy of HeartGold or SoulSilver then it should not be posted on this site to avoid misinformation. However though the only noteworthy thing that it has to this page is the addition of more Pokéball than any other Pokémon game. {{unsigned|Tyler53841}}

== The small pond ==

In G/S/C, there was a small, inaccesible pond by the Pokemon Center in Cherrygrove City. This pond served only for city design (because the "border" of the city is "water", and the city finishes behind the PokeCenter, it seemed strange for water to be behind it, so that pond was created to make it look ok. But it is inaccesible). This pond is still in HG/SS, but it is now accesible from Route 30. Small detail I noticed, since that pond always called my attention. I thought it would be gone in these games, but no. I think this and some other details should be noted in the article. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:Is there anything special about the pond, or is it just there? See if you can find an item somewhere or a rare Pokémon by fishing. As for the other details, what do you think should be added? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::Hehehe, well I still can't explore the pond; I haven't even still reached Violet City so I don't have Surf or anythimg. As for the other details, it would be great to have a list about differences between these games and G/S/C. Like for example, "In G/S/C, Gold obtains his Pokegear when he exits his room at the beginning of the game. In HG/SS, he obtains it after getting his first Pokemon". --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 16:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Um... there is a section named just that on the page... in fact, it's most of the page. Go look again. I'd like to crop this down in the next few days, and put all unnecessary information onto the related articles. This one is perhaps best suited for the Poké Gear article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Giovanni ==

Should it be mentioned that Giovanni appears through a Celebi event? It's mentioned on Giovanni's page, but it is significant to gameplay because Giovanni never actually appeared in Gen II; he was only mentioned.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 20:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah alright then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Latios and Latias==
In regards to the new update for Latios and Latias being version exclusives respectfully. I would to see if anyone has confirmed it yet. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
:They are; Latias in HeartGold and Latios in SoulSilver -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 11:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Shinning Leaf ==

Should the article note that the Shinning Leaf thing replaces the capture the flag mini-game to obtain a star on the TC -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 22:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Radio ==

Why does it say that it is now compulsory for the game to get the radio card, when you needed it to finish the game in the originals. The whole Lake of Rage thing --[[User:Ripp145|Ripp145]] 17:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't need to get it for the Lake of Rage if I remember. All you REALLY needed it for was to wake up Snorlax. Now though you have to get it to get past Goldenrod, as Whitney won't appear in her Gym until you get the Radio Card. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon traded from HGSS to DPPt ==

I don't know if this was known or not, but when Pokémon from Johto get traded to a Sinnoh game, it says that the Pokémon came from "Faraway place". Should that be noted anywhere? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting. Maybe the "arrived from Johto" data is just so the game might not crash or something... or maybe they expected a game from Johto via Generation III, but it was too late when they made the Generation IV games. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::It also seems that Johto doesn't recognize Sinnoh either. They also say "Faraway place". But that could possibly change once the National Dex is obtained. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::That's not true.. I traded over a Slugma that I caught on Plat and it's showing up as "Caught at Hard Mountain". And I only have three badges. Very weird. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::some people are speculating that its because trading from Jap to Eng is causing the problem. hasnt been confirmed, but its possible. might have to wait until the English version comes out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== Spacecraft ==

Spacecraft is plural. Don't be a jerk, they knew what they were doing. Someone, please change it back. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 04:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
: wow - don't change it back. first of all its not a spacecraft: its a rocket. mavericktate just likes undoing my revisions. i wasn't trying to be a jerk.

== What should we do about this? ==

The other box artwork
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/Midnight-Blue93/20090921193116.jpg
What should we do about it? I'm curious.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it matters in the long run since the cover art will be replaced with the English covers as soon as they are revealed. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Alright, I was also wondering, is this cover on all copies or only on certain ones? Some are saying they did not have that cover.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:::From what I understood, the cover art used in the article is actually a box, and when you open the box there is the PokéWalker and the game case that you posted above. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== The whole Lati@s version-exclusive thing ==

In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} they aren't listed as version-exclusive, even though its the same thing as here. Personally I think they should be listed with an asterisk. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. There should at least be something talking about that. They don't list the Weedle line as a version exclusive - b/c it can be obtained by other means - Bug catch Contest. [[User:LugiaRocks|LugiaPwns]] 03:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much think that that Latios and Latias should still be listed as version exclusives but this new piece should be listed as trivia should the other means can from a Nintendo exclusive event which is something that can only happen once and therefore is outside the normal means. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:They're not technically version exclusives in R/S, because of the [[Eon Ticket]] and [[Southern Island]]. They're still in the actual game coding as an in-world sprite that's interactable, and you can battle and catch them. Exclusives is like Groudon and Kyogre, or Palkia and Dialga, because you can only catch them in their respective versions. You have to trade to get them in the same version. And the exclusives also have a direct part in the storyline, such as Ruby having extreme sun with Groudon on the loose, and Sapphire having extreme thunderstorms with Kyogre on the loose, not to mention Team Magma and Aqua and in-game text spoken by NPCs. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Good, Trom changed it. We should somehow mention that without the event they are v-exclusives though. It would be less confusing. '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 04:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we say that Heartgold is like Sapphire and Soulsilver is like Ruby in obviously a proper way? the fact that im mentioning is that Kyogre and Latias comes in Heartgold while their counterparts appear in Soulsilver while the Lati@s not obtained can be obtained from an event.[[User:Laxafett|Laxafett]] 21:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== Date Specifics ==

One of the guys who works at GameStop in my town said the date was in March, as close as he knew. I respect this guy ALOT and see how he would know this, seeing as though he asked if I wanted to pre-order. Can anyone verify March, and maybe see if they can pre-order too? '''The''' ''[[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]], [[User Talk:GuyNamedSean|yep, that's '''me'''!]]'' 04:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:A few places have allowed pre-orders for at least a month now, with no release date know. Not trying to be mean, but your trust in a guy at a store doesn't really matter when it comes to verifying info. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Amazon said my game would ship April 1st, but that might just be an estimate. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 03:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That'll just be an estimate. They have to get them from other stores, since they're only a website, they don't buy and store things themselves. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I reserved a Copy at GameStop, they said it was April 1st. Also: [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770|link] --[[User:Domigan|Domigan]]
:::in order to generate pre-orders, they need to set a date. they cant accept a pre-order unless they have a date, so they put a generic release date. Nintendo announced "Spring 2010" and April 1st is right in the middle of spring. the game is not comming April 1st. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, I highly doubt the game would come out on April Fools Day. xP '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because it is April Fools Day doesn't mean new products can't be released. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

== From a so-so reliable source, I hear HGSS should be coming out in ==

March 2, 2010. I'm not so sure. Cuz then he said May 2, 2010. And that just crushed me...make of this info what you will--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:A so-so source is not good enough. What is the source?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::My friend's internet. But I will check the Gamestop 3-ring binder. Then I'll tell you what it says--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha internet. Regardless, I highly doubt that it's May 2, as that is a Sunday. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 03:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::/me points up. It's just one section away... ._. It's just a placeholder date. There hasn't been anything official released yet. D: ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::Um wasn't Platinum released on a Sunday?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 04:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Nope, it was a Saturday. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::::No it was Sunday. Diamond and Pearl were released on Sunday too. So what day of the week doesn't mean anything. Anyway, May is too late. HeartGold/SoulSilver were released the same week that Platinum was the year before, so late March early April is most likely. Also your friend's internet is not any different from the rest of ours. The Gamestop books will say April 1st, and that is just a placeholder date. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Umeko made a {{tt|mistake|hey, we all make mistakes}}. it seems Nintendo has been releasing a lot of games on Sundays in the past few years. but there no guarantee itll be May 2nd for the reason i stated in the section above. meanwhile, lets keep release date rumors to a minimum. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Alright, I still am gonna try to find out the real release date. I wanna be the first one to put it up here, since I never get to put anything {{tt|good|except for sprites but those don't count}} on this wiki T-T--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your not going to find the official date until Nintendo announces it. If that was possible it would be up already. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 07:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I just have to hear it b4 u lot then ^^--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Most of the recent major games have been released Thursday here. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 03:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC))

== We need to change something. ==

As it is locked for me, any admins agreeing with me, check here and you will see that HGSS are to be announced. So instead of putting N/A, you should be putting TBA. [[User:Will k|Will k]] 20:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:EP018

2009-10-12T11:51:56Z

GT4GTR: /* DVD */

== DVD ==

Is any possibility that a special DVD was ever released with that episode. I'm asking this because it might be useful trivia for the article. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

:Not as far as I know. As far as I know, the Japanese VHS is the only home video release of this episode. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

::It's on DVD in Australia. :p ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC))

== Aired Twice ? ==

So its not even in syndication on [[Cartoon Network]] or other channels ? [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 17:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I'd doubt that, I mean it was banned after all. And I can't see an unban happening any time soon. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Show/Hide ==

We need it here. You never know when parents might pass by and see their kids looking at that, thus leading to the banning of that kid/user. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:01 17 Jun 2008'''''
:Well, it's not like you see tits on this page. Why should we have show/hide option? Because people decide to see the episode online? Is that the problem? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, I think we should. If my mom walks by and sees that picture, she'd never let me come on here again. (okay, I'm exagerating; I might be able to sneak on here when I'm in college, which is eight years from now.)--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 21:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Yea, I agree. It's not likely to happen, but it's still plausible. I'll add in the show/hide template. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
== Acapulco or Aopulco ? ==

It's Acapulco or Aopulco ?

:The latter. {{u|Maxim}} had done an analysis on the Japanese kanji writing of the town's name and found that the commonly-believed Japanese name for this half of Porta Vista was, in fact, spelled wrong. I have little reason to doubt Maxim's analysis.

:(Just for the record, by "this half of Porta Vista", I'm referring to the fact that the dub's Porta Vista is two different towns in the original. The next episode still has the gang in Porta Vista in the dub, but the original shifted the scene to a place called "Hatoba Port". This is probably due to the fact that this episode was originally skipped over.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== video ==

I managed to track down this episode.From http://www.anime-stadium.com/index.php/Ongoing-animes/pokemon.html --[[User:Echelon|Echelon]] 07:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Um, okay. That doesn't really help though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Just so let you know, if it has nothing to do with improving the article, then try not to post links in here. So why did you post this? [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 01:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

You are completey wrong.By making this episode availble to people ,people can watch it and contribute more info to this page unless everyone here managed to tape it ?if it ever aired on tv in english? so why are you interfering ? --[[User:Echelon|Echelon]] 10:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:Beleive me, i'm not interfering. I was asking why you posted that link. I never interfered with your comment or the link within your comment. Yes, I realise that it may help some new people out, thus improving the article, but just as with any other episode, people watch them online. Sure, you found the episode, but if people start posting links to everything on every episode talk page, it gets very annoying/cluttered. Just as Kenji-girl said (and now me), your comment is basicly useless. Most of us here on this wiki find the videos for the episodes ourselves without the need of assistance. -- [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 20:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-09-12T01:29:14Z

GT4GTR: /* Day of; Admins, Please Unlock */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Date announced ==

See [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/special/wallpaper.html this]! It's on September 12. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree! *celebrates* <s>Now, when's it coming out in America...?</s> --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
*It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews" ==

<code><nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki></code>--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==Pedometer==
Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Two edit requests an admin never responded to ==

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

<s>[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links [[wp:remake|here]]; it should instead link [[wp:video game remake|here]], as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)</s> [An admin took care of this. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:#We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
:#I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: They were in the original without being available in GS. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are ''not'' the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:
<nowiki>* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).</nowiki>{{unsigned|Evice}}

== Grammar fix ==

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus Event ==
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]

If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- [[User:050294|050294]] 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer? ==

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== "Burned" Tower ==

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Put this image in please ==

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS. 
[http://i26.tinypic.com/vdwmf.png]
[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/380/gyarados.jpg]
 
All I need to do now is to upload it here. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I got a better image of it. It's here:
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_01.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_02.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news03/img_news_03_07.jpg]
::::::[[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==pokethlon==
why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page
:[[Pokéthlon]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hello? Any admins here? Echo! ==

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to <nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>{{unsigned|Immewnity}}
:I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:: *coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Is this trivia? ==

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Not realy. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering. ==

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== ummmmmm....just a quick question. ==

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They would all die from shock.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:sorry too--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?==
I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are pics of {{p|Arceus}} and {{p|Kecleon}} following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the [[Walking Pokémon]] page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Magnet Train==

In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|''Timmy'']] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|''Tim'']]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==

Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

==Gallery Captions==

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 16:02 11th August 2009

:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== update ==

the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS US announment ==

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]

: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==US Release==

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be a little trivia? ==

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Katone ==

Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Messed up link ==

Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Battle picture ==

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
: Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}

I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== logo ==

it looks like the soulsilver logo is shaped like a magatama, which is supposed to represent human spirit. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Serebii and 2ch. ==

Of the the 2ch info, the only things that have really stuck out aare the fact the opp-gender rival always uses {{p|Marill}} and the Rocket executive. Serebii's info on the Kanto and Hoenn starters being available as well as every legendary in the first three generations aside from the Regi's seems like it needs more sources. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 12:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's what I figured last night since this is so sudden and I will keep an eye out on videos but I don't expect these new details to be added to this page for awhile. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Which would be really weird as the "official" release of the games is in just 3 days. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 19:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I saw that earlier today. The only way we will be able to know will be in a couple of days. Is anyone getting the Japanese release? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::a lot of people around here are getting the Jap release, dont you worry. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Cool. In two days, we shall know for sure then. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unnecessary Information in the article ==

This is what I read under the "Aesthetic Changes" in the article:

''"The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon."''

No offense, but that's pretty useless and unnecessary to say because the DS's 3D capabilities are utilized through out the '''ENTIRE GAME''', excluding battles.

Believe it or not, the 4th Gen graphics engine is fully 3D. Want proof? This is what happens when you hack the camera angle (yes, there's a camera angle):
http://localhostr.com/files/46a3b6/Crazy%20Zoom.png

So basically, it's unnecessary to say that the DS's 3D capabilities are used when selecting the starter Pokemon, simply because the entire game is running under a 3D engine.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Great point, but lets see what others thing about it. I agree with you, but someone will say that's not normal gameplay.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::I agree too. How is this not normal gameplay, btw? The game is still rendered like this, even if it isn't zoomed in/diff angle. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You're missing the point of that. In D/P, the 3D engine was simply for environment. Platinum it used it even more for the [[Distortion World]]. They never used the spin-around-and-wobble-when-stopping 3D capabilities when choosing the starter. All they did for Platinum was have the briefcase there and the Poké Balls hop when chosen. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::: That shouldn't matter. It's not any special effects, all of those fancy camera angle stuff in the Distortion World was already programmed into the 3D engine. Platinum's graphic engine is exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl's, the only differences being the changed tiles. The briefcase in D/P/Pt is a fully programed character model, they just spent a little more time with model rendering in HG/SS.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's still different. If you hadn't realized, we mention things like that. From Platinum:
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*All gyms now only have Pokémon of their type specialty.
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*Pikachu and Pachirisu are now featured when entering Wi-Fi.

Non of those matter much, but we still mention them. Those are the most minor of the changes from DP to Platinum. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

: Yeah, but none of those are related to the graphics engine. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say something like, "When selecting your starter Pokémon, the game shows a detailed close up of the machine with fully animated models" or something. Instead of saying something that could apply for the entire game. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::"When selecting stater Pokémon, the game fully utilizes the 3D graphics engine." would work. I still think the original sentence is fine though. "The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon." states that the 3D engine is used, and indicates that it wasn't before. That ''should'' be perfectly fine, but I guess you think not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::: Well of course it wasn't before, the Gameboy Color was 8-bit :/. Since this game is a remake, not a 3rd version type thing, it would make sense to say something like, "The Johto and Kanto regions are now fully rendered in 3D thanks to the graphics engine that Diamond & Pearl introduced," because HG/SS is not 2D. Not only is the starter selection 3D, but the entire game is 3D. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, that makes sense. I was thinking along the lines of a third version game, not a remake. Alright. Yes, I agree that it should be changed. "This game utilizes the DS's 3D graphics engine." would work fine. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::: Minor mistake you made. The DS does not have it's own 3D engine. Basically, the DS has 3D capabilities, and so Diamond & Pearl's graphics engine uses advantage of that. Notice how Super Mario 64 DS and Gen IV Pokemon games are both 3D, yet feature entirely different graphics. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::The DS cartridge doesn't have the capabilites of holding all of the graphics. The point of the cartridge, like CD Roms for a computer, is to hold all of the coding that will create the graphics when the coding is used by the machine, in this case the DS. That's why something has to be "capable" of having those graphics, or the program wouldn't work right, like when an old computer tries to use new software that isn't compatible with the old system. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Future Tag !!! ==

Hey guys, please remove the tag "his article is about an expected future event."
Game is now released. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's released at midnight? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the 12th is tomorrow. Then again what time is it in japan right now? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently it's gone midnight on the 12th September 2009 in Japan. The counter was counting to midnight on the 11/12th in Japan
And also on the subject of the tag, do we have a recently released tag?[[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 16:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be worth having a tag to denote a non-English based territory release? Considering the primary audience of this wiki is Western based would it not be prudent to wait for it to have the Recently Released tag applied when it reached the US or Europe? [[User:Ukgamer66|Ukgamer66]] 19:28, 11 September 2009 (GMT)

It's lunch time on the 12th here in Australia. That doesn't mean it's out yet though. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

== Music Changer ==

Seems noteworthy to me, but I've just created an account and seem to lack editing permissions to add this. HGSS have a music changer that reverts the in-game music from the remade tracks to those the the various games original releases as documented in the following video;
'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JcI5LQvYc]'''
Pretty cool and new change to the games

== Day of; Admins, Please Unlock ==

The games are out, we should be allowed to edit this page now...[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
: the page will unlock itself when the offical date (9-12-09) comes around. we've waited months, we can wait 1 more day. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:: It's September 12th in Japan. The games are already out. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops my bad. I guess when the UTC chances to the 12th it will unprotect, if it's not already. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::It's lunch time on the 12th here, surely it must be close now. Also i hate it when people say 9-12-09. Makes me think of 9th December because of what we use. Cant't we just say 12th Sep instead of 12-9 or 9-12? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

==Animations==
When will we get the animations of the Trainers from this game? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:In due time. The games have been out for a day, which is less time than it took to build Rome, if you get my drift. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for supporting me on your answer. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 00:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Lucario (M08)

2009-09-12T01:28:11Z

GT4GTR: /* Deceased */

== Name ==

I'm surprised that this hasn't been named '''Sir Aaron's Lucario''', seeing as it is his Pokémon. But is ownership lost after the trainer dies? But now they're both dead, isn't Lucario Sir Aaron's Pokémon once more? Like in the ending where they eat chocolate? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:Ani486MS.gif|{{{2|486}}}]] 16:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'm guessing the reason it was named Lucario (anime) is because although it belonged to Sir Aaron, it wasn't really shown under his ownership except for in flashbacks. Also, Bulbapedia as a rule that we don't name Pokémon articles after characters of the day. Now, while Sir Aaron isn't technically a character of the day, perhaps it was the same sort of reasoning in naming the article the way it was named. That, and the fact that it's consistent with the other major Pokémon characters in movies (ie, {{an|Jirachi}}, {{an|Manaphy}}, {{an|Mewtwo}}, {{an|Latios}}, {{an|Latias}}). Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 17:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::I just got curious, but now I know follows a pattern. Thanks anyway. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:Ani486MS.gif|{{{2|486}}}]] 17:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Lucario is notable enough for an article - that isn't an issue and doesn't affect the naming. The name is such because Lucario was an apprentice of Aaron rather than actually owned by him. (If Ash hypothetically trained under Riley, he wouldn't become Riley's Ash.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::::That would be funny to see XD. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:Ani486MS.gif|{{{2|486}}}]] 17:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==SPOILERS==

Someone should really put spoiler tags here. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Deceased ==

WE DON'T KNOW THAT LUCARIO DIED. If that was the case, then why would we see Lucario and Aaron in the end credits? Not a vision of the past, for they were eating chocolate. Not Heaven, because Pokémon doesn't bring that sort of thing into play. When you die, you don't become a bunch of light and just vanish. I say it's more like suspended animation. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 01:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Sadly, going either way requires speculation. How do you know there is no Poké-Heaven? Maybe they they ghosts when eating the chocolate. Or maybe you're right. Who knows for sure? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 02:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, Kidd did say Sir Aaron was in suspended animation.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 22:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::From what i've heard, unconfirmed material shouldn't be on here. Also from what i've heard, lucario being deceased is not confirmed. Genders that aren't confirmed aren't allowed here, why is everything else? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC))
:::Anyone? Should it be changed because it's uncomfirmed? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-09-12T01:23:49Z

GT4GTR: /* Day of; Admins, Please Unlock */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Date announced ==

See [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/special/wallpaper.html this]! It's on September 12. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree! *celebrates* <s>Now, when's it coming out in America...?</s> --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
*It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews" ==

<code><nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki></code>--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==Pedometer==
Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Two edit requests an admin never responded to ==

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

<s>[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links [[wp:remake|here]]; it should instead link [[wp:video game remake|here]], as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)</s> [An admin took care of this. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:#We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
:#I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: They were in the original without being available in GS. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are ''not'' the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:
<nowiki>* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).</nowiki>{{unsigned|Evice}}

== Grammar fix ==

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus Event ==
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]

If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- [[User:050294|050294]] 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer? ==

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== "Burned" Tower ==

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Put this image in please ==

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS. 
[http://i26.tinypic.com/vdwmf.png]
[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/380/gyarados.jpg]
 
All I need to do now is to upload it here. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I got a better image of it. It's here:
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_01.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_02.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news03/img_news_03_07.jpg]
::::::[[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==pokethlon==
why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page
:[[Pokéthlon]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hello? Any admins here? Echo! ==

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to <nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>{{unsigned|Immewnity}}
:I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:: *coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Is this trivia? ==

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Not realy. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering. ==

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== ummmmmm....just a quick question. ==

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They would all die from shock.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:sorry too--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?==
I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are pics of {{p|Arceus}} and {{p|Kecleon}} following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the [[Walking Pokémon]] page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Magnet Train==

In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|''Timmy'']] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|''Tim'']]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==

Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

==Gallery Captions==

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 16:02 11th August 2009

:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== update ==

the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS US announment ==

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]

: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==US Release==

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be a little trivia? ==

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Katone ==

Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Messed up link ==

Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Battle picture ==

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
: Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}

I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== logo ==

it looks like the soulsilver logo is shaped like a magatama, which is supposed to represent human spirit. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Serebii and 2ch. ==

Of the the 2ch info, the only things that have really stuck out aare the fact the opp-gender rival always uses {{p|Marill}} and the Rocket executive. Serebii's info on the Kanto and Hoenn starters being available as well as every legendary in the first three generations aside from the Regi's seems like it needs more sources. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 12:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's what I figured last night since this is so sudden and I will keep an eye out on videos but I don't expect these new details to be added to this page for awhile. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Which would be really weird as the "official" release of the games is in just 3 days. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 19:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I saw that earlier today. The only way we will be able to know will be in a couple of days. Is anyone getting the Japanese release? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::a lot of people around here are getting the Jap release, dont you worry. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Cool. In two days, we shall know for sure then. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unnecessary Information in the article ==

This is what I read under the "Aesthetic Changes" in the article:

''"The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon."''

No offense, but that's pretty useless and unnecessary to say because the DS's 3D capabilities are utilized through out the '''ENTIRE GAME''', excluding battles.

Believe it or not, the 4th Gen graphics engine is fully 3D. Want proof? This is what happens when you hack the camera angle (yes, there's a camera angle):
http://localhostr.com/files/46a3b6/Crazy%20Zoom.png

So basically, it's unnecessary to say that the DS's 3D capabilities are used when selecting the starter Pokemon, simply because the entire game is running under a 3D engine.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Great point, but lets see what others thing about it. I agree with you, but someone will say that's not normal gameplay.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::I agree too. How is this not normal gameplay, btw? The game is still rendered like this, even if it isn't zoomed in/diff angle. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You're missing the point of that. In D/P, the 3D engine was simply for environment. Platinum it used it even more for the [[Distortion World]]. They never used the spin-around-and-wobble-when-stopping 3D capabilities when choosing the starter. All they did for Platinum was have the briefcase there and the Poké Balls hop when chosen. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::: That shouldn't matter. It's not any special effects, all of those fancy camera angle stuff in the Distortion World was already programmed into the 3D engine. Platinum's graphic engine is exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl's, the only differences being the changed tiles. The briefcase in D/P/Pt is a fully programed character model, they just spent a little more time with model rendering in HG/SS.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's still different. If you hadn't realized, we mention things like that. From Platinum:
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*All gyms now only have Pokémon of their type specialty.
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*Pikachu and Pachirisu are now featured when entering Wi-Fi.

Non of those matter much, but we still mention them. Those are the most minor of the changes from DP to Platinum. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

: Yeah, but none of those are related to the graphics engine. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say something like, "When selecting your starter Pokémon, the game shows a detailed close up of the machine with fully animated models" or something. Instead of saying something that could apply for the entire game. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::"When selecting stater Pokémon, the game fully utilizes the 3D graphics engine." would work. I still think the original sentence is fine though. "The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon." states that the 3D engine is used, and indicates that it wasn't before. That ''should'' be perfectly fine, but I guess you think not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::: Well of course it wasn't before, the Gameboy Color was 8-bit :/. Since this game is a remake, not a 3rd version type thing, it would make sense to say something like, "The Johto and Kanto regions are now fully rendered in 3D thanks to the graphics engine that Diamond & Pearl introduced," because HG/SS is not 2D. Not only is the starter selection 3D, but the entire game is 3D. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, that makes sense. I was thinking along the lines of a third version game, not a remake. Alright. Yes, I agree that it should be changed. "This game utilizes the DS's 3D graphics engine." would work fine. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::: Minor mistake you made. The DS does not have it's own 3D engine. Basically, the DS has 3D capabilities, and so Diamond & Pearl's graphics engine uses advantage of that. Notice how Super Mario 64 DS and Gen IV Pokemon games are both 3D, yet feature entirely different graphics. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::The DS cartridge doesn't have the capabilites of holding all of the graphics. The point of the cartridge, like CD Roms for a computer, is to hold all of the coding that will create the graphics when the coding is used by the machine, in this case the DS. That's why something has to be "capable" of having those graphics, or the program wouldn't work right, like when an old computer tries to use new software that isn't compatible with the old system. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Future Tag !!! ==

Hey guys, please remove the tag "his article is about an expected future event."
Game is now released. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's released at midnight? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the 12th is tomorrow. Then again what time is it in japan right now? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently it's gone midnight on the 12th September 2009 in Japan. The counter was counting to midnight on the 11/12th in Japan
And also on the subject of the tag, do we have a recently released tag?[[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 16:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be worth having a tag to denote a non-English based territory release? Considering the primary audience of this wiki is Western based would it not be prudent to wait for it to have the Recently Released tag applied when it reached the US or Europe? [[User:Ukgamer66|Ukgamer66]] 19:28, 11 September 2009 (GMT)

It's lunch time on the 12th here in Australia. That doesn't mean it's out yet though. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

== Music Changer ==

Seems noteworthy to me, but I've just created an account and seem to lack editing permissions to add this. HGSS have a music changer that reverts the in-game music from the remade tracks to those the the various games original releases as documented in the following video;
'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JcI5LQvYc]'''
Pretty cool and new change to the games

== Day of; Admins, Please Unlock ==

The games are out, we should be allowed to edit this page now...[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
: the page will unlock itself when the offical date (9-12-09) comes around. we've waited months, we can wait 1 more day. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:: It's September 12th in Japan. The games are already out. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops my bad. I guess when the UTC chances to the 12th it will unprotect, if it's not already. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::It's lunch time on the 12th here, surely it must be close now. Also i hate it when people say 9-12-09. Makes me think of 9th December because of what we use. Cant't we just say 12th Sep? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

==Animations==
When will we get the animations of the Trainers from this game? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:In due time. The games have been out for a day, which is less time than it took to build Rome, if you get my drift. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for supporting me on your answer. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 00:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-09-12T01:21:13Z

GT4GTR: /* Future Tag !!! */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Date announced ==

See [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/special/wallpaper.html this]! It's on September 12. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree! *celebrates* <s>Now, when's it coming out in America...?</s> --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
*It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews" ==

<code><nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki></code>--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==Pedometer==
Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Two edit requests an admin never responded to ==

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

<s>[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links [[wp:remake|here]]; it should instead link [[wp:video game remake|here]], as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)</s> [An admin took care of this. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:#We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
:#I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: They were in the original without being available in GS. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are ''not'' the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:
<nowiki>* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).</nowiki>{{unsigned|Evice}}

== Grammar fix ==

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus Event ==
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]

If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- [[User:050294|050294]] 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer? ==

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== "Burned" Tower ==

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Put this image in please ==

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS. 
[http://i26.tinypic.com/vdwmf.png]
[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/380/gyarados.jpg]
 
All I need to do now is to upload it here. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I got a better image of it. It's here:
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_01.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_02.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news03/img_news_03_07.jpg]
::::::[[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==pokethlon==
why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page
:[[Pokéthlon]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hello? Any admins here? Echo! ==

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to <nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>{{unsigned|Immewnity}}
:I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:: *coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Is this trivia? ==

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Not realy. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering. ==

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== ummmmmm....just a quick question. ==

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They would all die from shock.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:sorry too--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?==
I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are pics of {{p|Arceus}} and {{p|Kecleon}} following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the [[Walking Pokémon]] page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Magnet Train==

In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|''Timmy'']] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|''Tim'']]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==

Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

==Gallery Captions==

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 16:02 11th August 2009

:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== update ==

the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS US announment ==

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]

: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==US Release==

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be a little trivia? ==

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Katone ==

Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Messed up link ==

Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Battle picture ==

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
: Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}

I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== logo ==

it looks like the soulsilver logo is shaped like a magatama, which is supposed to represent human spirit. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Serebii and 2ch. ==

Of the the 2ch info, the only things that have really stuck out aare the fact the opp-gender rival always uses {{p|Marill}} and the Rocket executive. Serebii's info on the Kanto and Hoenn starters being available as well as every legendary in the first three generations aside from the Regi's seems like it needs more sources. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 12:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's what I figured last night since this is so sudden and I will keep an eye out on videos but I don't expect these new details to be added to this page for awhile. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Which would be really weird as the "official" release of the games is in just 3 days. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 19:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I saw that earlier today. The only way we will be able to know will be in a couple of days. Is anyone getting the Japanese release? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::a lot of people around here are getting the Jap release, dont you worry. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Cool. In two days, we shall know for sure then. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unnecessary Information in the article ==

This is what I read under the "Aesthetic Changes" in the article:

''"The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon."''

No offense, but that's pretty useless and unnecessary to say because the DS's 3D capabilities are utilized through out the '''ENTIRE GAME''', excluding battles.

Believe it or not, the 4th Gen graphics engine is fully 3D. Want proof? This is what happens when you hack the camera angle (yes, there's a camera angle):
http://localhostr.com/files/46a3b6/Crazy%20Zoom.png

So basically, it's unnecessary to say that the DS's 3D capabilities are used when selecting the starter Pokemon, simply because the entire game is running under a 3D engine.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Great point, but lets see what others thing about it. I agree with you, but someone will say that's not normal gameplay.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::I agree too. How is this not normal gameplay, btw? The game is still rendered like this, even if it isn't zoomed in/diff angle. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You're missing the point of that. In D/P, the 3D engine was simply for environment. Platinum it used it even more for the [[Distortion World]]. They never used the spin-around-and-wobble-when-stopping 3D capabilities when choosing the starter. All they did for Platinum was have the briefcase there and the Poké Balls hop when chosen. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::: That shouldn't matter. It's not any special effects, all of those fancy camera angle stuff in the Distortion World was already programmed into the 3D engine. Platinum's graphic engine is exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl's, the only differences being the changed tiles. The briefcase in D/P/Pt is a fully programed character model, they just spent a little more time with model rendering in HG/SS.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's still different. If you hadn't realized, we mention things like that. From Platinum:
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*All gyms now only have Pokémon of their type specialty.
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*Pikachu and Pachirisu are now featured when entering Wi-Fi.

Non of those matter much, but we still mention them. Those are the most minor of the changes from DP to Platinum. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

: Yeah, but none of those are related to the graphics engine. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say something like, "When selecting your starter Pokémon, the game shows a detailed close up of the machine with fully animated models" or something. Instead of saying something that could apply for the entire game. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::"When selecting stater Pokémon, the game fully utilizes the 3D graphics engine." would work. I still think the original sentence is fine though. "The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon." states that the 3D engine is used, and indicates that it wasn't before. That ''should'' be perfectly fine, but I guess you think not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::: Well of course it wasn't before, the Gameboy Color was 8-bit :/. Since this game is a remake, not a 3rd version type thing, it would make sense to say something like, "The Johto and Kanto regions are now fully rendered in 3D thanks to the graphics engine that Diamond & Pearl introduced," because HG/SS is not 2D. Not only is the starter selection 3D, but the entire game is 3D. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, that makes sense. I was thinking along the lines of a third version game, not a remake. Alright. Yes, I agree that it should be changed. "This game utilizes the DS's 3D graphics engine." would work fine. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::: Minor mistake you made. The DS does not have it's own 3D engine. Basically, the DS has 3D capabilities, and so Diamond & Pearl's graphics engine uses advantage of that. Notice how Super Mario 64 DS and Gen IV Pokemon games are both 3D, yet feature entirely different graphics. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::The DS cartridge doesn't have the capabilites of holding all of the graphics. The point of the cartridge, like CD Roms for a computer, is to hold all of the coding that will create the graphics when the coding is used by the machine, in this case the DS. That's why something has to be "capable" of having those graphics, or the program wouldn't work right, like when an old computer tries to use new software that isn't compatible with the old system. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Future Tag !!! ==

Hey guys, please remove the tag "his article is about an expected future event."
Game is now released. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's released at midnight? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the 12th is tomorrow. Then again what time is it in japan right now? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently it's gone midnight on the 12th September 2009 in Japan. The counter was counting to midnight on the 11/12th in Japan
And also on the subject of the tag, do we have a recently released tag?[[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 16:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be worth having a tag to denote a non-English based territory release? Considering the primary audience of this wiki is Western based would it not be prudent to wait for it to have the Recently Released tag applied when it reached the US or Europe? [[User:Ukgamer66|Ukgamer66]] 19:28, 11 September 2009 (GMT)

It's lunch time on the 12th here in Australia. That doesn't mean it's out yet though. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

== Music Changer ==

Seems noteworthy to me, but I've just created an account and seem to lack editing permissions to add this. HGSS have a music changer that reverts the in-game music from the remade tracks to those the the various games original releases as documented in the following video;
'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JcI5LQvYc]'''
Pretty cool and new change to the games

== Day of; Admins, Please Unlock ==

The games are out, we should be allowed to edit this page now...[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
: the page will unlock itself when the offical date (9-12-09) comes around. we've waited months, we can wait 1 more day. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:: It's September 12th in Japan. The games are already out. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops my bad. I guess when the UTC chances to the 12th it will unprotect, if it's not already. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

==Animations==
When will we get the animations of the Trainers from this game? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:In due time. The games have been out for a day, which is less time than it took to build Rome, if you get my drift. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for supporting me on your answer. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 00:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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