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Talk:Pokémon Mansion (Kanto)

2012-03-22T15:31:13Z

Dual: /* Mew gave birth... */

== Mewtwo Statues? ==

Those statues, present in at least Generations I and IV, sure do look like the Monster-group Pokémon symbol, but is it really Mewtwo? Have they been shown as actual Mewtwo statues in an official artwork or some manga? --[[User:Johans|Johans Nidorino]] 20:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:In FR/LG, they're actually of Mewtwo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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There's a different Pokemon Mansion in DP, the one with the Trophy Garden for catching Eevee etc. Should this one be Pokemon Mansion (Kanto), or should we just put a note at the top so that users can go to the Route whatever page? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 03:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Mew gave birth... ==

The passage in the journal does state that Mew gave birth, but I don't think they meant literally as the page would suggest. I thought that the scientists found Mew's DNA in a strand of hair. That would mean that Mew was not ever at the Mansion. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

They found Mew in South America. It said so in the game! [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Finding Mew's hair is a movie-only plot point and has nothing to do with the games. Similarly, no Pokemon game has ever suggested a connection between Mewtwo and Team Rocket. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's actually a very ambiguous point. Remember, what we have aren't full diaries. After all, who uses an entire diary just to record one or two sentences. These are the charred remains of old research journals, and the information we have is only what we're able to actually pull from the burnt remains. It's irresponsible to speculate one way or another. Also, while we're on the subject of "movie-only plot points," as far as I remember, there is nothing to indicate that the fire that destroyed the mansion was caused by Mewtwo during his escape. That seems to be coming out of the anime. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Map image ==
[[Image:Mansion pokemon.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Spanish???]]Why is the map image in Spanish (at least I think it's in Spanish...)??? Isn't this an '''''ENGLISH''''' wiki??? The picture in debate is to the right: --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 20:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Because that is the image we have. Does it really matter? The point of the map is to know where things are. That would be like saying we aren't allowed to have any Japanese images because we are an English wiki... I personally don't see a problem with it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I was just wondering. Most people don't know Spanish, but it really doesn't matter. If I can, I'll try to find an English map image. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 20:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hhmm... maybe I could fix it... even with something simple like paint...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 18:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I fixed it, but the Spanish is the one the one that shows when I try to display it... Whats with that?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 18:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:It was just cached. And I redid it again as PNG without that whitespace... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks Trom, it works perfectly now.--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 12:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Generation I Pokémon ==

I'm not sure who compiled the data on the availability of Pokémon in Generation I games or if the data was gathered from another site, but I am certain that [[Ditto (Pokémon)|Ditto]] can be caught on one or more floors of Pokémon Mansion (Kanto) in Pokémon Yellow Version despite not being listed here.[[User:Criminy|Criminy]] 04:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia to add? ==

OK, you know that part where you have to walk into a hole and fall into the basement? Well in Red version, I encountered a Pokémon as I walked onto that hole. I was battling, I think a Ponyta, not sure, while standing on absolutely nothing. Trivia worthy or no? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Moon Stone in R/B/Y ==

I have looked everywhere in the Pokémon Mansion for the Moon Stone within the ground level, and cannot find it. The Itemfinder was completely useless, meaning that there was nothing hidden. Then I was told by someone, which is also noted on Serebii.net, that the Moon Stone only exists here in FR/LG, and NOT in R/B/Y.

So... permission to edit that out from the Pokémon Mansion and Moon Stone articles? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline of events in Pokémon the Series

2011-12-13T08:45:34Z

Dual: /* The Beginning Of Time */ new section

It might be useful to note what is dated in the backstory. Here's the stuff on the top of my head:
*2 million years - First Pokémon dated by archaeology ([[EP163]])
*200 years - Orange League taking place ([[EP095]])
*50 years - Sammy Oak born ([[Pokémon 4Ever]])
*40 years - Sammy Oak goes on his Pokémon Journey ([[Pokémon 4Ever]])
*10 years - Misty born ([[EP003]])
*10 years - Ash born ([[EP001]], Shopro)
*10 years - May born ([[AG001]], Shopro)
*10 years - Dawn born ([[DP001]])
**The four were born in that order
*7 years - Max born (Shopro)
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*[[EP005]] - 2 weeks have passed
*[[EP031]] - Several months have passed
*[[EP063]] - A year has passed
*[[Pikachu and Pichu]] - Second year has passed
--[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:All good ideas to add. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 23:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:Problem, which I noticed when I went to take the anime info out of [[history of the Pokémon world]] - that article says 400 years ago. And the one on the [[Orange League]] itself says 300 years. What's the number? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 07:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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I am a bit sceptacle on Jessie and James joining Team Rocket before Max's birth. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:Eh, true... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 23:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Ash turns 10 ==
I'm pretty sure there's nothing in Episode 1 saying Ash turned 10 on that day. All he says is "Now that I'm ten years old..." which means he could have turned 10 any time recently. The day seems to be one where numerous 10-year-old trainers are leaving Pallet - hence why Gary and the other two mystery trainers leave on the same day. Unless they're supposed to have the same birthday. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 16:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Even though it is possible that he did turn 10 the night before he got Pikachu, which is chronicled in the episode itself, it is far more likely that he and the others turned ten just fairly recently, and had to wait for Oak's give-away day. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::In Pokémon 4ever and Pokémon Heroes, Brock says in the introduction that Ash got Pikachu on his tenth birthday. This could have been the script writer's mistake or maybe it's true. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 23:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Birth years of Ash, May, Dawn ==
According to this article, Ask, May, and Dawn were all born within the same year. From my own knowledge, one of the movies that took place before the Advanced Generation (or, perhaps, it was in The Battle of the Badge as stated in the article itself) stated that it had been one year since Ash set off - making him at least eleven years old if May was ten at the beginning of Advanced Generation. Later, in "Date Expectations" (AG114), Ash says to May, "There's not going to be another Grand Festival for a whole 'nother year!" If we assume the most recent Grand Festival in the anime was the one in Kanto during Battle Frontier, that means that at the end of Battle Frontier, Ash would be at least twelve, and May at least eleven. If we assume that Dawn was ten at the beginning of Diamond & Pearl, then at the beginning of Diamond & Pearl, Ash would be at least twelve, May at least eleven, and Dawn ten. This shows at least a TWO-YEAR SPREAD of birth years, even though the article says that they were all born in the span of less than ONE year. Could this be resolved please? Thank you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

:I second this. Each of them are at least a year younger then the last, however I don't want to change it without seeing more peoples thoughts on it. I also thought that in one episode it mentioned something about Misty being a year older then Ash, but I could be wrong.Can anyone else back me up on that?[[User:Ai Hikari|Ai Hikari]] 03:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::See the [[aging in the anime]] article for our policy on that. The only official statement we have on this issue is that Ash and May were both 10 at the start of AG despite claims of two years passing since the beginning of the series. The writers apparently don't pay attention so the logic doesn't work.
::The Grand Festival argument is not valid, though. Each region's Grand Festival is a seperate competition. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Could it at least be changed to a ??? instead of 10 years ago? Or something like 10< or 10+? The thing is, even with the lack of logic or ageing, Ash has to be older than 10 because they've mentioned passing years in several episodes. The other thing is that if he's still 10 none of his achievements have existed unless the leagues are about a quarter of a year long. I also think it's odd how Misty is the same age as Ash - I would have thought she was at least a year older. This will all probably be dismissed because against no-aging rule these arguments are weak but wouldn't it make more sense if Ash's age (and birth) was left an enigma? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I think Misty is slightly under a year older than Ash, maybe ten months older or something. That way they could both have been ten when the series first started, and then Misty could have turned eleven a few months later. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 23:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I also thought Misty was a year older than Ash, but maybe someone just started this and it spread into every site and fanfic, so that we all might have been wrong about it.
Anyway, it must definitely be true that Ash is around a year older than May who should be around a year older than Dawn. Just add the time they need to travel. It's always like "several days have passed, and now our heros have arrived in..."
Even if the anime doesn't care about aging, I think it's logic to do so. [[User:Eevee-Girl|Eevee-Girl]]

Even if it's officially stated that "Satoshi is still 10 at the start of AG", I don't buy it. Perhaps a better way of dealing with May/Dawn's births can be listed as perhaps "10 years prior to AG" and "10 years prior to DP"? After all, it's indesputable that way. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Good idea!-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Well. ==

This is the longest page on Bulbapedia, and it will continue to get longer. In addition, it's not in our best interests to separate the page into several different pages. Interesting, eh? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

:Perhaps some spoiler tags? --[[User:EmpoleonDynamite|EmpoleonDynamite]] 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

==2 million years ago?==

Does it really make sense that "Sir Aaron tried to stop the war. He seals his Lucario in a staff" happened two ''million years'' ago? The castle is still standing. --[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 18:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, you're right... --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 18:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

::Makes no sense whatsoever. Especially since it's dated alongside "First Pokémon existed, according to archaeology. That war showed a plethora of Pokémon. Just because it happened before Poké Balls existed, and features an ancient art doesn't mean it happened 2 Million years ago. 2 Million Years ago, Homo Erectus was just getting going. Does this mean that Sir Aaron and Princess Rin are Homo Erectus? What's more, does this mean Princess Irene is a descendant of a Homo Erectus? Such placement of Movie 8's prologue is absolutely ridiculous. Probably would make more sense alongside the Otomegasaki reference at 2000 years ago. But heck, we have no idea, so why are we labeling a timeframe for it? Smells awfully like fan speculation to me - and you know what they say about fan speculation... [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 06:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

My guess it the stupid english dubs made the "2 million year ago story".They come up with all sorts of rubbish.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 04:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

==One year==

It should be noted that the "it's already been a year" line was dub-only. In the Japanese version, Satoshi (I believe) said it had just been a long time since they were last in Tokiwa City. The dub also makes up a few other details, like contests happening once a year.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 21:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== missing episodes ==

there seems to be a few episodes missing.That would have something interesting to write about
[[Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon|Pocket Monsters]]

[[A Chansey Operation|Pocket Monsters]]

--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The movies also don't seem to be placed.--[[User:Trebligoniqua|Trebligoniqua]] 16:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Chikorita had a Crush on Ash ==

I think this should be included because it plays role in many episodes to come. It is revealed in [[EP127|Once in a Blue Moon (EP 127)]] [[User:SinnohFan|SinnohFan]] 01:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== Movies? ==
Why are the movies not included in the timeline? Lots of inportant stuff happened like Mewtwos plot to destroy the human race, Lugia and the bird trio causing a global desater, the reawakining of a diety! So why arn't they included? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:That's because movies are not considered canon. While you state interesting info such as with Lugia and Mewtwo, there is no true way to know whether it happened according to the anime or not. Even if so (like with Lucario and the Mystery of Mew), there is no place to put it. Notice that it's chronologically listed (timeline). So the examples you state... we don't know where to put them... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::This was copied and pasted from the trivia section of Mewtwo Strikes Back> "The events of this movie happen after The Pi-Kahuna and before Make Room for Gloom, though it premiered in Japan between The Case of the K-9 Caper and Pokémon Paparazzi." There is a chronologicle place for some of the movies, if there wasn't they woudn't post trivia like this in the trivia section for those movies. This one in particuler would fit perfectly into the timeline even if the characters don't mention it because they forgot the events that happend during their visit to New-moon Island and was later adressed in the Mewtwo Returns special. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::The problem is that how we set it up, it's by season, and thus by episode chronology; the movies are not exactly part of the season, though I understand what you're saying. But, notice how there are no events in regards to the anime specials either, with Raikou and the appearances of Ritchie, etc. I dunno. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::But Mewtwo did make a couple apperances in the anime befor the movie aired, those few clips were then used in the movie. There is evedence that he exists in the anime and that the events actualy happend. I would also like to know why the Pokémon Ranger specials are listed and why they are considerd cannon, because as far as I've seen Pokémon rangers don't exist outside of movies and specials. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 18:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::[[DP070|Here]] and [[DP071|here]]. Also, in the events of [[EP220]][[EP221|-]][[EP222]], there's no evidence of Ash meeting a Lugia before. [[EP187]] is one ep that Articuno is shown, yet Ash takes out his Pokédex, signifying he's never seen it before. Though, that evidence is lacking since there are multiple times that happens even within the anime series. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::First of all you ment [[DP071|Here]] and [[DP072|Here]]. But those episodes were also considerd specials wich goes with what I said. Also the pokedex reads multiple Pokémon multiple times as a curtisy to the veiwers who missed earlier episodes. For Articunu spicificly this makes sense because it doesn't appear often. They started making the newer characters like May and Dawn scan the already scanned pokemon because it makes more sense but they could not do this in the case of Articuno because they laked the other characters that own a Pokédex. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 20:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::If they were specials, then they'll be outside of the season... that's what I was trying to tell you also, I'm agreeing with you about that, but you interpreted it wrong... my last statement, mind you. And, at Articuno, Ash explicity remembers Ho-Oh [[EP181|from 180 episodes ago]] after seeing it. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Birth years and such ==

All of it seems speculative. Like I doubt Johanna won the Grand Festival right after Jessie was born. And I don't think there was any proof of Paul being 11 other than PokeAni estimating it to be so. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 12:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Is this even nessacary? ==

I'm sorry, but timelines are generally full of fanwanking, I really don't think this is a good idea for an article. Or at least remove the superflous "entries" like birth years.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 05:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Significant Events ==

''"This is a chronological list of '''significant events''' in the anime and the episodes which they occurred in, or, for events which happened outside the series, where they happened in relation to the episodes.''"
Many facts on this list aren't that significant... In AG002, it mentions that Ash and May arrive in Oldale Town, and that they leave Oldale Town. Not that big a deal. And in BW005, Tepig and Oshawott learn Tackle. Big whoop. Someone's gotta go through this and clean it out.--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 00:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== The Beginning Of Time ==

The article states that Arceus created the universe, yada yada yada. It's basically assuming that the Sinnoh creation myth is true in the anime, and is citing Arceus and the Jewel of Life as it's source. Admittedly, I haven't seen the movie from start to finish, but from what I remember, and what I read in the article for the movie here on the website, that was never mentioned. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 08:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Phione (Pokémon)

2010-04-02T19:10:13Z

Dual: /* Legendary Status has been officially revoked. */ new section

==Phione- Legendary or not?==
can phione really be considered a legendary? It is by no means limited to one a game cartridge as legendary Pokemon are, given that it can breed with Ditto as well as any Magnemite, Rotom, or Baltoy. It's base stats are the same as Glalie's. Which is NOT legendary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be a legendary, doesn't a Pokemon have to be only one per game without trading, and have at least SOMEWHAT good stats?
:In my opinion, it's okay the way this article puts it. It doesn't mention Phione being a legendary, yet it's in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sinnoh_Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon legendary category] because it's related to Manaphy (and its Pokédex number is among legendaries). Kind of like an honorable mention in lists, but still not worth of mentioning a legendary status when talking about Phione itself. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... It's because of the criterion of mine I mentioned in the last paragraph that I didn't like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=142880&oldid=142060 this update]. I wonder if somebody agrees with me. Was it really necessary to mention that "it's still considered a legendary"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 00:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:My opinion is that Phione is classed as a legendary Pokémon because of it's relation to Manaphy as Johans has said. Also, legendary Pokémon do not evolve. Phione does not evolve into Manaphy either therefore, it must have some legendary traits. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]]
:You know, I'd have to say Phione is best classified as legendary. It's a derivative of a legendary - more closely tied to a true legendary Pokémon than Mewtwo is to Mew. It's a black sheep of the lot, but still pretty legendary, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::What's the role of the Phione species in Mystery Dungeon 2? I still vote for never mentioning explicitly "Phione is a legendary" until the whole franchise hints it well enough. This means official text saying it's a legendary, side games with extraordinary plots related to Phione, whether or not it will protagonize a hosou or a story arc, whether or not it will be a bonus Poké Ball in Super Smash Bros. Brawl... IDK... Stuff like that. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 22:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Before continuing with the edit war on the Trivia section, I must say I agree with Missingno. Master on removing that line from the Trivia section which says "Without using cheats or trading, Phione is the only legendary Pokémon that a player can have more that one of". The reason to put it back (as seen [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=next&oldid=255470 here]) is based just on the template. Such unability to say whether Phione is legendary or not only makes that line worthy of being removed IMO. Something can be an exception, but you can't tell if this one is. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's because I suck at reasons. XD; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If Pokemon.com says Phione is legendary, Phione is legendary! Phione is most likely considered legendary because it is '''of legend''' in the same way Mew and Arceus have legends surrounding them. I don't actually recall Nintendo or the Pokemon franchise explicitly state what the benchmark is for a legendary. The classifications for a legendary, (such as only one per game, high stats and inability to breed), were most likely assumed after the second Generation or so and were constatly reinforced with more legendaries fitting the criteria.
Maybe the classification has just been broken.

Phione is definately legendary but it's caused so much debate because it doesn't fit into the assumed criteria. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 13:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Phione is a conundrum. I really don't think of it as legendary, as it is "legendary" the same way Rotom is. Rotom is rare and has the legendary music play, but reproduces more of its own kind with Ditto; Phione's breeding is exactly like Rotom's. It traces its lineage from legends but doesn't have the stats to match up. Mewtwo is considered legendary due to its "one-of-a-kind" status and immense power. I say Phione is more of an "Almost, but not quite Legendary" pokemon, as it basically lacks that one special (probably yellow) element or essence that Manaphy has that makes it legendary. So, I think it's not like Phione is a demotion to borderline-legendary status, I think it's more like Manaphies being "Chosen Phiones" who are more powerful and pure (and legendary) as a result. This occasional legendary status isn't passed down from this special "Phione", and thus its children are normal Phiones. I don't think this debate would be so hectic if breeding wasn't the only way to obtain Phione. I say Phione belongs in the same category as Rotom as far as legendary status is concerned (Which is no) That's actually not a bad theory, that Manaphy are stronger Phione rather than Phione being weaker Manaphy. [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] 08:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Phione isn't a legendary. Multiple Phione can be bred from Manaphy. Multiple Phione can be bred from Phione. Also, its base stats aren't very high. I don't know why its banned from the Battle Tower, but likely because they are too delicate for competitive battling. [[User:Dusknoir477|Dusknoir477]] 09:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

"Phione is a legendary because it can be obtained by breeding a [[Manaphy]], and Manaphy is a legendary. Yes, it is a baby pokemon, but it's cool that a [[baby pokemon]] is a legendary. The only reason it's band from the [[Battle Frontier]] is because it IS A LEGENDARY!!!!! (duh) --[[User:Platinum giratina13|Platinum giratina13]] 21:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

As per my above post, has anyone actually read or heard Nintendo state what actually MAKES a Legendary a Legendary? With the arrival of the Phione/Manaphy legendary debate, the assumed criteria of not being able to breed, one-of-a-kind-ness, and high stats would technically be outdated as Phione and Manaphy are confirmed legenderies.
Accoriding to the "new" rules, the only criteria for a legendary to be legendary is for Nintendo to say it's legendary! END OF STORY! [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 20:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Phione is not legendary. However, evolution cannot be the only criteria because when togepi was introduced it was considered to be legendary but it now is part of a three-tier evolutionary line.

== Baby Pokemon? ==
Is it really ok to designate it as a Baby? It really doesn't fit any of the criteria of a Baby Pokemon. I mean it can breed, and to my understanding, Phione isn't a pre-evolution of Manaphy (As exemplified by the fact that it can't ever evolve into it. >_>) so much as a Manaphy that was bred in colder waters. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a baby Pokémon. Baby Pokémon evolve and can't breed. Phione breeds and can't evolve. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 14:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== This... Egg move... ==

Okay, weeks ago I taught my Manaphy the move {{m|Waterfall}}, and I recently got a Ditto. Today, when my first Phione hatched from its Egg, guess what? It knew Waterfall!! But why in the world no Pokémon site mentions it? Not even [http://www.legendarypokemon.net Legendary Pokémon], the first people to publicly hack the game, talk of this. Maybe now that Manaphy was given away in an easier way, more people can help me confirming this (maybe it's an in-game bug or something? Or some game mechanics that have been overlooked?).

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Please do discuss. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an HM. That's why. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oh... Does it always happen with babies and HM moves then? ^_^' And why isn't it valid to place it in the learnset lists? Is it because it's "obvious"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and yes. It's listed under... breeding... i think. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Always happens with compatible HMs and TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
They grow up so fast.

== Pssssst ==

Well well well, I just checked Pokemon.com and they just said Phione is indeed, not legendary. Aww shoot, I totally thought it was. Go to the mailbag. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:does that mean i can use it in the PBR little cup? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::No because all the Pokémon you use have to be a pre-evolution of another Pokémon. And since Phione doesn't evolve well... --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::oh well. its not like i have PBR anyway. (oh the irony!!) '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I absolutely HATE to say I told you so.... But what the heck! I told you so! =D --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, contradiction. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 This] is also from Pokemon.com's mailbag, saying that Phione ''is'' legendary. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
WHAT?! This is impossible! Why would they change their answer??? HOW can something with Glalie's base stats be legendary?! --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yessss! I totally thought Phione was legendary, I mean, it IS related to one anyway. Anyway, no more fricking revert/edit wars now. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are you so happy? Phione breaks all the laws of legendaries- it can breed, it has bad stats, you can have more than one of them in PMD2... This upsets me, because all my carefully reasoned arguements, which by all rights should've been right, have been proven wrong! Plus, this means that if I use Phione in competitive battle, I'll be breaking my own rule of no legendaries. D< --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe because I actually THOUGHT Phione was a legendary? There's a word that you might want to hear about-- Exceptions. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
But how can Phione be an exception to EVERY SINGLE RULE THAT DEFINES A LEGENDARY, AND STILL BE A LEGENDARY?! '''IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.''' --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, it says here http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 that it is legendary....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Lol yeah, we reverted the 'non-legendary' things a while ago. *points up to Szayel's post* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Let's not forget that there was never a specific "rule" that said legendaries couldn't do what Phione does. After all, Latios and Latias didn't break the legendary genderless rule, they were merely the first legendaries with genders. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were sort of confirmed to lay eggs in [[Pokemon Snap]], though I'm not sure if that counts or not.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I recall an episode, no, three episodes of ''Pokémon: Master Quest'' where Ash encountered a Lugia and a baby Lugia. Does that mean Legendary Pokémon can have babies, in this case Manaphy getting Phione? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Some Legendaries have been shown to breed outside of the main series, like the three Birds in ''Snap''. But Phione is not a baby Manaphy because it can never become a Manaphy. Perhaps if one were to breed a Manaphy in Fiore then one would get another Manaphy egg. Of course, Manaphy eggs can't appearantly hatch in Fiore. This is all speculation, of course. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

But Phione can get another Phione as a baby.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, but you can also breed a Magnemite to get another Magnemite. That doesn't classify it as a baby Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, the classification of "Baby Pokémon" is that they're too young to breed. I forgot that until now.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought: I still don't feel naming Phione a legendary Pokémon for a reason like that (the mailbox from Pokémon.com) is enough. What about Japanese denominations (densetsu, maboroshi, shinwa)? Which one is Phione? Bulbapedia is an output from us, but it's an input to many people. Saying Phione is a legendary because of that may be unhelpful if players organize battles or even trades where "legendaries aren't allowed" and they want to believe in this article instead of believing in sites that base themselves on stats and stuff. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

An excellent point. How do we know Pokemon.com is correct? They changed their answer once before, which could indicate that they themselves don't have any idea, and are just guessing. Really, the only ones who'd know for sure are the creators themselves, the ones who actually came up with Phione. We can't count on Pokemon.com to know what the creators were thinking. So I'd say Phione's legendary status would still be uncertain. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:I think that given its place in the Pokédex and how it was required to have a Legendary Pokémon to obtain should be enough proof. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so Dratini, Dragonair, and Dragonite are legendaries, because they're squeezed in between the bird trio and Mewtwo, are they? They are according to your logic. And secondly, just because a legendary Pokemon breeds to make a different species altogether, doesn't mean that the different species is also a legendary. Now, if Phione was unable to breed and had better stats, I would think it's a legendary. But anything with base stats equal to Glalie's and the ability to breed with Ditto like crazy? I mean, isn't the whole thing behind legendaries the fact that they're supposed to be HARD TO GET? And Phione can frickin' breed! Nintendo's never let us get more than one of each legendary per game w/o trading. Alright, here is, as I percieve it, the main points in the Phione Legendary Argument;
Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained

And two of the points that say it's legendary I have already shot down. The Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Metagross families are squeezed between legendaries, and does that make them legendaries? No, it does not! Does Phione's position in the Pokédex classify it as a legendary? Absolutely not! And maybe it is bred from another legendary- does that actually MEAN anything about Phione's legendary status? No! Mew was said to be the ancestor of all Pokémon, does that mean that every single Pokémon in existance is legendary? I didn't think so! And the stats! The one major consistancy about legendaries (aside from the whole can't breed thing) is their good stats. And Glalie's base stats are not good. Now then, based on that argument, I'd say Phione cannot in any way in any form, shape, or existance, be a legendary, and you'd be insane to think it is. Thank you and have a nice day. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:The families you mentioned are not Legendary because they are ''families''. Phione does not evolve from or into another Pokémon. Don't be so stubborn... Phione is a Legendary, and [[MissingNo.]] isn't a real Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::Until recently, Roselia couldn't evolve into or from anything else. And don't drag MissingNo. into this. The fact that they are families means nothing. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 18:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::The fact that they are families means everything because Legendaries do not evolve. Which is why they can be surrounded by Legendary Pokémon in the Pokédex and not be considered. And you brought them up. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Well, Rotom doesn't evolve and is oddly squeezed in between a bunch of evolutions and legendaries, and is it a legendary? Definitely not. Some people even thought it WAS a legendary for that reason (and the fact that legendary battle music played when it was battled), and yet, they were WRONG! Evolutions notwithstanding, the mere fact that there CAN be non-legendaries sandwiched between legendaries in the Pokédex means that Phione's position in said Pokédex doesn't mean a thing. And just because something doesn't evolve to or from anything doesn't mean it won't. Again, I point out Roselia as a prime example here. Dang thing got a pre-evo AND an evolution in the same generation! Now, I know Pokémon.com said that Phione is legendary, but they originally said it wasn't. The mere fact that they changed their answer indicates that they are doubtful. They could be guessing. Phione breaks the two cardinal rules that define legendaries; rarity (Phione can breed with Ditto to create more Phione), and strength (base stats of Glalie-not good). Legendaries are supposed to have at least DECENT base stats, and Phione's stats? Far from it. Most importantly, and this is the point most of you are overlooking, legendaries are supposed to be ONE PER GAME, sans trading/events. And Phione can BREED. Legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to reproduce in the games like this! That's why Phione was created in the first place-so Manaphy could lay eggs that hatched into something other than itself, so people wouldn't be running around with a *bleep*load of Manaphy on one game. Now THINK about that for a while, won't you? I propose that Phione's legendary status be labeled as "unconfirmed" until we get irrefutable proof of its legendary status (or lack thereof) by those who would know. Let's wait and see how the Anime portrays it, for example. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 10:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Cardinal rule that defines legendaries? There are none, and there hasn't been one that didn't get thrown out the window in the last two generations besides the fact that they can't evolve.
:::::Also, don't use Roselia for an example. Just because it can't evolve doesn't mean it's a legendary, but because Phione's legendary it cannot evolve. Squares and rectangles, you see. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. And I ''highly'' doubt that Manaphy will ever gain an evo or even a prevo. Rotom, on the other hand, is more likely. Besides, who ever said that base stats defined legendary status? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nobody... It's more of an intuitive meaning. Like, most Pokémon movies and major story arcs are protagonized by legendary Pokémon. In the anime, legendary Pokémon are "powerful". And non-coincidentally, their stats are high in the Pokémon games, which is an accurate meaning for "powerful". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't mean they couldn't make a crappy legendary. As of Gen I, the rules were ONE PER GAME, HIGH STATS, and NO EVOLVING. Once Gen II rolled around we got NO GENDER and NO BREEDING. Gen III took down the ONE PER GAME thing since Brandon had the damned Regi and the NO GENDER thing with Lati@s. All Gen IV did was remove NO BREEDING and HIGH STATS, since Phione sucks. Well, actually, not really sucks, just isn't incredibly cheaply high. People want less legendaries, how the hell else are they going to do anything unless they gradually reduce legendaries into little more than normal Pokémon? Sheesh, Heatran has a variable gender! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, sure, they COULD create a crappy legendary, but why would they? Legendary Pokémon have always been portrayed as powerful Pokémon that cannot breed. Legendary Pokémon are put up high on pedestals by those who create them. Legendaries sell movies. It's clear that the creators of Pokémon want the public to have a high opinion of legendaries, so why wreck it with a legendary that you can get a *bleep*load of in any given game, and that has less than decent stats? I don't think they would. Now, I want any one of you to list for me all the overwhelming reasons that prove beyond conclusive doubt that Phione is a legendary. Anyone? Nobody? OK, let me think here.... Oh, I know! Phione's bred from Manaphy! My goodness! Oh, how I must have been mistaken! Oh, Phione's bred from Manaphy! Son of cheese, that MUST mean it's legendary! Anyone who agreed with my last two sentences is a complete imbecile. For the love of Arceus, people, just because a Pokémon can be hatched from an egg that has been laid by a Legendary Pokémon doesn't mean that the offspring is legendary! Pichu hatch from eggs laid by Pikachu and Raichu, so does that make Pikachu and Raichu baby Pokémon? Of course not! Now, I want you people to think- just THINK- about it for a moment. Given the evidence I have presented, not just now, but over my entire career of arguing that Phione cannot be legendary, versus the single, measly fact that it can be bred from Manaphy, not to mention an entirely unconvincing letter from Pokémon.com (in which, may I remind you all, they changed their answer, indicating that they don't really know and are more than likely guessing), can you REALLY, in sound mind and complete sanity, STILL say, with the utmost conviction, that Phione is a legendary? DIDN'T THINK SO! OH, DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 01:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Phione is legendary... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:Phione's legendary status is debatable as we have not received word from the Jap creators. But still, Phione is legendary because it can ShoopWhoop. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:37 2 Jul 2008'''''
:If Phione's not legendary, neither is Manaphy. Neither is Mewtwo. Manaphy is hatched from an egg, it matters not that you can't dump it in the daycare and get more Manaphy. The reason FOR Phione is just that: they KNEW that after getting an egg with Manaphy people would try for more, breed with Ditto, and end up whining if it were like Mew or Celebi. So they made Phione to trick people. As for Mewtwo, it was created by humans. No legend there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
And why do you think they did that with Manaphy in the first place? So people couldn't get more easily! Phione, on the other hand, can breed. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:Which makes Phione the first legendary that can successfully breed. No one ever said that all legendaries have to fit into some definable category forever more. And the fact that it's stats are lacking is because it can breed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

::YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! The mere fact that Manaphy can breed, but not to create more Manaphy, indicates that legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to breed! As I've previously stated, if the fact that Manaphy can breed to make Phione is the only argument for Phione's legendary status, then it's a real feeble-ass argument, as, if Phione were indeed a legendary, then it would be the only legendary with breeding capabilities and mediocre stats, and I don't think that that's all that likely! Think about it! If they were going to make it so legendaries were breedable, there would be no Phione, and Manaphy could just lay more Manaphy eggs! OH DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 16:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It was never set in stone that legendaries cannot breed and have to be one of a kind. If Nintendo and Game Freak want to make a sub-par legendary, then SO BE IT!!! Obviously the person who stated that Phione was not legendary was mistaken, and they corrected that mistake. Things change. Nothing has to be the exact same every generation. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK, what you're saying WOULD make a lot of sense, if it didn't indicate that you never actually comprehended my arguments. THINK! If Nintendo and Game Freak wanted to create a breedable legendary at all, Phione wouldn't even exist, as the only reason they made it was that Manaphy could lay eggs without them hatching into more Manaphy! They would've just made Manaphy able to produce more Manaphy eggs! But they didn't! They made Manaphy able to breed a completely different species, and THAT species can breed, and it can't evolve into Manaphy. You know what this means? LEGENDARIES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BREED, AND PHIONE IS LIVING PROOF! Now I agree, they COULD make a sub-par legendary. My point, however, is, WHY WOULD THEY? Look at the movies- legendary Pokémon are constantly spoken of with reverence, portrayed as grand, majestic, powerful, and rare, depictions that hold true in the games. Now, do you REALLY think that they'd besmirch the good name of legendaries, which they have worked so hard to glorify, by creating a legendary as common as Bidoof and as weak as Glalie? DIDN'T THINK SO! And before anyone replies to this, why don't you actually READ what I type, and let it sink in, let the gears of reason start turning in your head, and don't just come up with another lame excuse of an excuse as to why Phione is STILL legendary, despite all my well-reasoned arguments proving otherwise. Thank you. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::<<sigh>>... The games and the movies are made by different people and follow completely different canon. According to the anime, Unown are legendary and powerful. Plus, who's to say that you can't produce more Manaphy eggs in a future generation? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Missingno. Master, I don't really think that the Games even held Legendaries as being high, majestic, and one of a kind. If they had, Brandon would NOT have had the three Golems OR the three Birds (the former of which can ALSO be caught in the wild), Palmer would NOT have owned Heatran, Cresselia, and Regigigas. Also, I won't get too spoilerific, but in Movie 11, let's just say that Shaymin isn't the only one of it's kind (Then again, considering the same event that Shaymin debuted in had a similar white rock located in Kanto (not to mention it being obtained in Almia), it was also hinted that it wasn't really one of a kind there either.). And anyways, even IF you can't breed Manaphies from Manaphies in Sinnoh, the mere fact that it HAD an egg proves that it can breed from another Manaphy, which would hint that, by your logic, it's not even a legendary. Also, the three dogs, Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Celebi, Mew, and Deoxys wouldn't have multiple members in Fiore (If Manaphy is counted as an official Main Legendary despite originating from a Spinoff game, then I'm going to count Fiore as a main game region as well.). the three dogs, Lugia, and Ho-Oh would ALSO have not appeared in Kanto/Sevii Islands if that was the case. heck, the three dogs, Ho-Oh, Lugia, the three birds, and Celebi would NOT have existed in Orre at all if they were one of a kind. The three Regis would ALSO have not existed in Sinnoh at ALL if legendaries were truly one of a kind. So please stop acting as though they shouldn't have multitudes. In fact, the only legendary pokemon that HASN'T had multitudes period is Mewtwo itself. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
::::But, the fact still remains that in the games, legendaries are supposed to be one per cartridge. Manaphy itself is proof of this- if legendaries weren't intended to be one per cartridge, Phione wouldn't exist, as Manaphy would be able to produce more Manaphy. That's why Phione exist- to prevent Manaphy from breeding more Manaphy. And Phione are certainly NOT one per cartridge, as anyone with a Phione, a Ditto, and access to a daycare center can easily get as many Phione as they wish. And then there is the matter of its stats. Legendary Pokemon are powerful. They have good stats. They can learn Hyper Beam and other powerful moves. Phione has base 80 stats all around and can't learn Hyper Beam or any variant. It has no exclusive move (true, not all legendaries do). It doesn't even learn all the moves Manaphy can. And it doesn't learn ANY move Manaphy can't. True, this does not conclusively prove Phione to not be legendary, but it certainly lends a hefty amount of support towards that side of the issue. Certainly more than "It's bred from Manaphy, it must be legendary". - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I can come up with better. It says so right there on Pokemon.com. Yes, I get that they corrected the answer. You're just reading into WHY it was. It's a wild guess, but I'm betting that the IT person who updates the website isn't intricately connected with anyone who makes or translates the games. He tried to answer it on his own, did it incorrectly, and was corrected. Either way, if you have a better source than POKEMON.COM that that says it isn't a legendary, I'd like to see it.
::::::As for all this talk about "Legends are this, legends are that", none of it is true. The only requirement to be a "Legendary Pokemon" is to be deemed one by Game Freak. What moves they learn are largely irrelevant, because many Pokemon have vast move pools. Gen 3 and 4 often have Legends as Plot Devices, but it doesn't hold true to Gen I, II, and those that are exclusive to events.[[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 22:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the so-called MissigNo. Master is so upset that Phione is a legendary! I could say more reasons why it is I just don't want to, and some of them are already said, becasue it's so obvious! It is!!! DEAL WITH IT! Now, another reason nobody has said or at least so far I've read, it makes no sense to make a legendary Pokémon to breed ''into''(I don't know which preposition goes here) a not-legendary one. That's just not logic!, I mean, we all know Manaphy IS legendary right, then why would it be able to bread (into another species, anyway) into a not legendary?? MAKES NO SENSE, it is legendary despite its "bad stats", ability to breed and it doesn't evolve, even into the species it can come from, etc..

Would other legendary breed (if more could) into a not-legendary one? for example a Moltres if it could breed together with Ditto... you think the baby would be a, say, Growlithe? Of course not, It would be, I don't know, a new species, or another Moltres and it would still be a legendary.

Pokémon is in constant change, they created a new kind of legendary, maybe the only one of its kind -that can breed-, or at least so far, who says that maybe in next generations more and new legendaies will not be able to breed?? Maybe they would! People really need to start THINKING about the logic in here, and the BIG, really big POSIBILITY that it could be a legendary!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:Reviving this argument, I will just have what I hope to be my final say in this. Thus far, here are the facts:

Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
*Pokémon.com said so

Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
**Legendaries have stats that are decent at the least.
*Inordinate amounts of them appeared in the anime, more than any legendary.
**It's rare to see more than one of any given species of legendary in the anime, let alone in the same episode. No less than six appeared in [[DP113]].
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained
**It's a well-known fact that legendaries are supposed to be one per game cart, outside of trading.

The points in the "Phione must be legendary" column are <strike>full of crap</strike> inconclusive because;
*Manaphy can breed to create Phione for the sole purpose of preventing the breeding of more Manaphy, which right there proves that legendaries are not supposed to breed. See, if legendaries were supposed to breed, Phione wouldn't even exist, as Manaphy would be able to create more of itself.
*Dratini, Larvitar, and their evolutions are sandwiched in between groups of legendaries in most Pokédex entries, and they're not legendaries.
*Voltorb, Magneton, Baltoy, Metang, and Rotom are all genderless. None of them are legendary.
*Pokémon.com also said that Shaymin's Sky Forme had Natural Cure, that Swallow was a new attack for Generation IV, and that there was a Staraptor in Jumping Rocket Ship. Also, the fact that they changed their answer denotes unsureness.

Now, let me get this through to you. I will say this once, and only once. I will only back down from my argument if, and only if, Satoshi Tajiri ''himself'' personally declares that Phione is a legendary. That, in my opinion, is the only source that will provide a definitive answer. I will accept nothing less. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:Pssssst. '''Legendary''' (''ˈlɛdʒənˌdɛri'') adj. '''1.''' of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a legend. // Phione is allegedly a bringer of good luck to those who see it; tourists flock to Chocovine just to get a glimpse of Phione. That hints at Phione being a rare Pokémon with uncommon abilities, both of which can be associated with a Pokémon of legend. [http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq41/PDLpics/23a814bea263b08a6dee29561e6906dae1d.gif] '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::I am not getting mad at video games. I am getting mad at people mistaking Phione for a legendary. As for the anime, that actually proves nothing. In the anime, Phione are rare. In the anime, Metagross are damaged by Poison Tail. In the anime, wild Squirtle form troublemaking gangs. In the anime, Dustox can learn Stun Spore. In the anime, Geodude and Golem can be floored by Thunderbolt. In the anime, ahem, PIKACHU! AIM FOR THE HORN! In the games, Phione are easy to get. In the games, Metagross are unaffected by Poison Tail. In the games, there are no wild Squirtle. In the games, Dustox can't learn Stun Spore. In the games, no ground type can be harmed by Thunderbolt. My point being, the anime was made after the games, and do not necessarily need to conform to them. And they don't, in many cases. I admit, it was therefore wrong of me to drag the anime into this argument. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Just because you're too stubborn to admit that you're incorrect doesn't mean you're correct. <3 '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 23:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to drag up an old debate again, but I have another point that hasn't been mentioned yet and which crushes MM's arguments: If they didn't want Manaphies to breed Manaphies, then they wouldn't be breedable! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 07:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Phione's advantages ==

* Does Phiones have any advantages that Manaphy doesn't have? If not, then what's the point? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 00:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:Irrelevant. Someone remove this. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 00:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::That was rude. Now, in response to the question, Phione does not have any sort of advantage over Manaphy. All its stats are lower, and it doesn't learn any moves Manaphy can't. So no, there is no point other than keeping people from breeding multiple Manaphy. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
::Except they're not Manaphy. --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 05:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Exactly. It's there to piss you off because people would be all "O LOL I HAS MANAFY FROM EGG I PUT DAYCARE IT MAKE MOAR MANAFY I PUT ON GTS AND GET MEWTOO". And then you get Phione. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== random something thinks i ==

Why is Phione not in the No eggs group if it's genderless.{{u|Laxafett}}19:41, 18 December 2008(UTC)
:Because it has those egg groups in the game's internal data. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 19:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Tower ==
I didn't see anyone mention this, surprisingly. But doesn't the fact that it can't be used in the battle tower (or any Frontier facility I'm assuming) prove it's legendary? Every other Pokemon restricted from being used there is a Legendary Pokemon... '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 21:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:Probably more because it's semi-event-exclusive, methinks. Not all legendaries are banned from there. All event-exclusive species are banned from there, however. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::It's true that not all legendaries are banned, but I didn't say that anyway :p I said that all Pokemon that are banned are legendary. The converse isn't true though, as you so pointed out. However, the Aura Sphere-using Riolu from Ranger is also an Event Pokemon and it isn't banned, so there's a hole in your theory. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I said event-exclusive SPECIES, and for exactly that reason. Riolu can easily be obtained outside an event. Phione, not so much. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Once and for all ==

As has been pointed out before and confirmed on Pokemon.com, Phione is a legendary Pokemon. If anyone has a more reliable source that says otherwise, such as a direct interview with someone in the franchise, please present it. Otherwise, I can't see how the debate can continue. Pokemon.com says so, and no one else has any other sources that say otherwise. Note that I only changed the intro paragraph. The trivia section already reflected it's legend status, and the page on Legendary Pokemon say it's a legend also. [[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 04:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

YES! Finally! Everybody knew it was in fact legendary. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 19:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary Status has been officially revoked. ==

From the Vol. 1, Pg.27 of the official Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver Version guide book: "Since Phione can be obtained by hatching Eggs, it is not classified as a Legendary Pokemon."

The guide book is published by [[The Pokémon Company International]], which is the same company that runs Pokemon.com, the website that originally confirmed it's Legendary status. Obviously they've changed their minds. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Shadow Ball (move)

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== Shadow moves ==

I would lke to add something to the article about the fact that it is the only Pokémon move that has the word Shadow in it but is not a [[Shadow move]], but I don't know where to add it. I also wouldn't want to create a new section for it, as some people might see that as a major change and revert it. Someone please help me or add it in an appropriate place. [[User:Pokéball|Pok]][[User_talk:Pokéball|é]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]] 13:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I would also like to note that with the release of Diamond and Pearl, there is another Ghost-type move that shares this trait, Shadow Claw. [[User:Pokéball|Pok]][[User_talk:Pokéball|é]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]] 02:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

::And I would like to point out that before the release of Diamond and Pearl, there were already 2 non-shadow moves with Shadow in the name, the other being Dusclops's {{m|Shadow Punch}}. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 21:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Shadow Sneak in D/P, too.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::::And Giratina's Shadow Force. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Shadow Ball pics. ==

Can someone put up a picture of May's Eevee using shadow ball - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] ([[User talk:Livinlarge18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Livinlarge18|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

::Does it really need 12 pictures for one move? The explanations should be kept but the pictures that look similar or are repeated eg. Purugly should be deleted--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Physical move? ==

I'm quite sure that shadow ball is a physical move in Gen III. I got stricken by a Wobbuffet's counter while not being damaged by mirror coat. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?
Correct if wrong... --[[User:Molotov|Molotov]] 00:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:This article uses Gen IV for the move split of Special and Physical, so that is correct in Gen III, but not anymore so to speak. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Shadow Ball ==

Has it ever been officially confirmed anywhere that the move Mewtwo uses in the first movie is actually Shadow Ball? Or is this just speculated because the two moves look so similar? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 13:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Flint

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Can we really classify Flint as a {{t|Fire}}-type trainer if he only has two Fire-types? His team is actually rather well-balanced, and is only very slightly biased towards Fire. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 00:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:The official DP site lists him as {{t|Fire}}-type trainer. Also: he has TWO {{t|Fire}}-type Pokémon. A {{t|Normal}}-type, a {{t|Steel}}-type and a {{t|Ghost}}-type are in his team because there are few Fire Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Dex number|Sinnoh Dex]]. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 00:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
::That's no excuse. Look at the Fire types in the anime version Sinnoh (including Charmeleon and Quilava, for gods sake). I'm sorry, but 2 Fire-types out of 5 Pokemon does not a Fire-trainer make. And in the Ultimate Fire-Trainer Showdown of Destiny Steelix would get laughed of the field. Flint could at least get himself a Magmortar... - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]
:::None of those are Sinnoh Dex Pokémon, though, which is the point. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 23:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The only available Fire-type Pokémon before obtaining the Nation Dex are the {{p|Chimchar}} line and the {{p|Ponyta}} line. There wasn't much of a choice. Besides, all his non-Fire Pokémon know Fire-type moves. If he is listed as an official DP site lists him as a Fire-type trainer than that's good enough for me. We can't just go changing what's official because we feel he doesn't have enough Fire Pokémon. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 00:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

No the bloon dos not know any fire type moves. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Will-o-Wisp causes burns, though, like a Fire move. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 21:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::{{m|Will-O-Wisp}} IS a fire-type move. All of Flint's Pokémon have fire-type attacks, even if they don't cause direct damage. Happy now? And as for the Nat. Dex: You must pass through the Elite 4 ''before'' you may obtain the National Dex. Who even says that Flint has a Pokédex in the first place? [[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]] 22:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::: Why wouldn't he have a Pokedex? And as Fire-moves go, Will-O-Wisp is kinda perfunctionary. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 23:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
:::: Not everyone has a Pokédex. Where's Brock's Pokédex and Misty's Pokédex? Will-O-Wisp IS STILL a Fire-type move. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

LMAO, "we suspect drugs were involved". classic.→[[User:Thomas1652]]

== magmortar in team ==

in the advert it shows him releasing a magmortar and its confirmed that the pokedex has been upgraded so he could have a magmortar in his team to make up for the lack of fire. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 18:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

:Its not a confirmation. Looking at the video closely, you will notice that there is a wifi symbol on the battle scene, and that the place that Magmortar is standing would technically be Volkner's Pokemon. Its just bad placement. I don't think it should be mentioned unless its confirmed.

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

==Brother?==

didn't Buck say that he had a brother and Flint is just like him [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 11:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's just speculation until we get some official confirmation. Anyway, Buck's page mentions it already, so maybe it could fit into trivia, as long as you word it correctly. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::While talking to Buck in Stark mountain he says right-out that Flint is his brother [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 17:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Drifblim ability ==

So it says its ability is Unknown, I've gotten Aftermath in mine whenever I attack it. Can anyone else confirm that its always Aftermath in their games?

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 21:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yup, it is {{a|Aftermath}}. I lost because of that =(--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 21:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==why is the title Flint (Elite Four)?==

I don't see any other Flint----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 17:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:Brock's father. That character is the original Flint, and a highly notable character to boot, hence the [[Flint]] disambig. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Concerns about the image. ==

It is only his upper part. I would really like it if we could find the other half. [[User:Superjustinbros.|Superjustinbros.]] 14:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Japanese Villa Comments? ==

From the Trivia section: "''When talking to Volkner in the Villa, he reveals that the reason that Flint uses the Fire-type is because of his name.''"

Does anyone know what it says in the Japanese version? I can't imagine that it's the same, considering that Flint's Japanese name is apparently based off of an herb. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Generation III

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'''New environments can be explored: Underwater, Desert, Mountain and Jungle.''' - Jungle? Where is there jungle? Are you talking the really tall grass? I wouldn't call that jungle at all. And mountain is hardly anything new either. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:40, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Well, that is what Route 119 area seems to be. I mean what else can it be? It rains all the time there too. It could also be a rain forest. And I meant climbing the mountain.

L_X

Indeed. I remember mountains in Gen I and Gen II - but you always had to go through them or under them. Gen III has quite a few that you can go over. Mt. Ember, Mt. Chimney, Pyre, etc. etc.

Mt. Moon and Mt. Silver - you had to tunnel under things.

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Hmmm. Okay, I'll give you the mountains, but I still think it could do with a slight word-change. Although I still don't agree with the jungle part. It's just really tall grass, it's not a crazy thought you know. And I know Pokémon is often random with climate placement, but to just stick a rainforest there seems way too random for me. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Also, are Channel and Box not Generation III games? I know they don't really feature proper gameplay, but they are released during generation 3. And they have the right Pokémon.... - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:07, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Gen III ==

We decided only games that involved at least the basics of pokémon (ie, battling, trainers, etc) would be considered for generations. Games like Snap, Hey You Pikachu, Channel, etc are not considered in the Generations.

-Damian Silverblade

== New Pokemon ==

This article claims that 134 new pokemon were introduced, bringing the new total to 386. Now I'm sure there were 251 pokemon in Generation II, so surely this means there were 135 new pokemon?[[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Change is 'style' ==

I'm not sure if anyone has openly stated this or discussed it. It just seems to be obvious to me and a couple of my friends that the Pokemon art styles and the way they look and feel has changed dramatically ever since Generation 3. The individual chracters seem to be in a different style. I am one of the people who are old enough to remember the good old days when there were just 150 Pokemon (latter, 151). Then Generation 2 was brought out and you adapted quickly to the new names and features. But Generation 3...I dunno, it just seemed to break a barrier and I'm pretty sure it's due to the new Pokemon 'style'. The art changed. The way things were done. Maybe they were just modernized. It's even more evident in Genration 4.
In fact, the differences between Generation 1 and later releases have turned one of my friends off the games. She'll only play Red, Blue (or FireRed and LeafGreen).
Maybe it's silly. Maybe if a Gen 4 Pokemon was taken back in time and released with Gen 1, I wouldn't have noticed the difference between it and the other 151.
Am I being stupid or did Gen 3 change things? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, it definitely did. I couldn't say definitively what, but I remember getting Generation II and it wasn't all that different from Generation I, but Generation III was just hugely different.[[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::It may have something to do with the fact that Ken Sugimori isn't solely in charge of designing Pokemon any more. But I think this kind of thing is more suitable for discussing in the forums. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I would take it to the forums except I'm not really sure how to start a new discussion or anything like that... [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 12:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== About sprites,and the general style ==

When you compare the Hoenn sprites to the sprites of the other regions,they seem..Different. More 3d,I suppose? Like,for example(bad example,but still),on the main trainers,their faces seem..Odd,you can't really see their eyes and expressions as clearly as the others sprites from this generation(FR/LG) and other generations. Is this me,or did the sprite style change for R/S/E? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

=="Trainer is about to use..."==

Am I the only one who realized this feature was lost? I'm playing LeafGreen for the first time and I'm trying to level some low leveled Pokemon and while fighting trainers I don't get this option. It used to be when the opposing trainers Pokemon fainted and a new one had to be used it said "trainer is about to use _______. Would you like to switch Pokemon? Y/N" This gets annoying when I'm trying to level a level 3 pikachu or something while facing even slightly higher level Pokemon because it means i have to switch him in, he gets attacked THEN i can switch him back out. I'm fairly sure this feature was in Gen II maybe even Sapphire/Ruby/Emerald but it is certainly absent in LeafGreen ~~D558
:Check "Options". [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::OK, I found it. Should I erase this discussion note? {{unsigned|D558}}
:::No. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 09:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown timeline ==

I added in the fact that unlike Gen I, II, and IV, Generation III's placement in the timeline is never made clear.

Yes, you can trade between it and FR/LG, but that does NOT mean that it's actually placed at the same time period, especially when taking into account the fact that you can trade between R/S/E and/or FR/LG and both Colosseum and XD simultaneously, despite it being impossible due to the fact that Colosseum and XD are canonically five years apart from each other. So, really, there isn't really any specification of Generation III's placement in the timeline (nevermind being placed in the same time as Generation I). They did reference Hoenn in dialogue, and the Lava Cookie, but that's only the culture and region, NOT the events of what happened in Generation III. In order to have Generation III be part of Generation I, either it or Gen I has to reference the actual events of that generation that happened fairly recently (For example, Generation IV started after Gold or Kris got the Mineral Badge, but before they got the Glacier Badge, as the beginning of the game was mentioning references the Red Gyarados incident as a live news report, as well as the fact that Jasmine was at Sunyshore City). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

:Uh, technically, Generation IV's timeframe is also unknown. Nothing outright says that the news report at the start of the Sinnoh games is of the red Gyarados from Johto. For all we know, the red Gyarados from the news report is a different one. For all we know, the cameraman's placement in Platinum puts the alleged sighting from the report at Lake Valour, not the Lake of Rage. For all we know, the Sinnoh games could be a direct prequel to the Generation II games. Remember, the person at the Hotel Grand Lake giving cross-generation references does not mention any specific timeframes in either his Generation II or Generation III references. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== Smash Bros. ==

''"It is the only generation not to have a playable character in the Super Smash Bros. series."'' - Trivia Section
That's a very debatable statement. While there may not be any GenIII playable ''Pokémon,'' the Pokémon Trainer character is clearly based on [[Red (game)|Red]] in his GenIII outfit. That definitely counts as a GenIII playable character to me. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Level

2009-10-22T23:40:37Z

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== Breeding ==
''"The level of a Pokémon will also affect breeding. Trying to breed two Pokémon with a large difference in levels will not result in an egg."''

No, it doesn't.--[[User:008xtreme|008xtreme]] 12:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Any evidence for it? --[[User:Ade Tyshio|Ade Tyshio]] 20:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:::It still works. I bred a level 51 Roselia with a level 16 Ivysaur. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] [[Image:376MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl#The Secret Page|Find the secret page!]][[Image:224MS.gif]] ♪The [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Me/Oboe|oboe]] is the best instrument ever!♪ 20:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Far as I've seen, it's the same for me, it works whatever level. What should really be stressed is that baby Pokémon don't breed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Higher?==

I heard somewhere that there are Pokémon higher than Lv. 100; is that just [[Missingno.]], or is there some other glitch, hack, or cheat that can do this? -[[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

What about the level X cards in the Pokemon Trading Card Game? X refers to an "off-the-scale" level. How would they get past lv100 in the first place? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

==Level 100==
Hypotheticly, if I have a Level 100 battling another pokemon, and one of the others in my party has an EXP share, and my Level 100 wins, does the other one still get EXP?
[[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:The Pokémon that is Level 100's exp becomes fixed at that level, so it's exp stays constant. The exp will just go to what wants it next. I'm unsure if the halved exp still applies. I need to check. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::The Pokémon holding the EXP. Share always gets half the experience if it does not participate in the battle. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Unless there are multiple Pokémon with Exp. Shares. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== Rare Candy ==

The page states that you can't induce happiness evolution through Rare Candies. I have traded a couple of Eevee to ''Ruby/Sapphire'' and gave them Rare Candies until they evolved into Espeon and Umbreon. If tameness resets upon trading, then wouldn't this have not worked? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== School of Hard Knocks ==

I seem to recall levels being directly mentioned in [[EP009]]; at the very least, [[Joe]] mentions the levels at which Pidgey and Pidgeotto evolve, and [[Giselle]] mocks Pikachu for being underleveled.

Could someone with access to the episode confirm this? [[User:You Can't See Me!|You Can't See Me!]]`

:I remember this too! I was going to link to the episode article regarding this, but it isn't mentioned there... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, it is there, I just checked; but what do you want us to say about it? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::I guess this quote needs revised: ''"Levels are famously ignored completely in the anime"''. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::That's what I had in mind. I'll write something up really quickly; feel free to change it. [[User:You Can't See Me!|You Can't See Me!]] 21:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

I heard somewhere that no Pokémon can breed if it is under level 10. Is this true? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, except for those unable to breed at all. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 15:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

::No, that's not true. If a Pokémon is able to breed, it can breed regardless of what level they're at. It's been that way ever since breeding was introduced in the games in [[Generation II]].

::You might have confused Pokémon's breeding system with that of the {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters}} series. Dragon Quest Monsters does require creatures be at level 10 in order to be able to breed (or go through its successor mechanic in {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker|Joker}}; unsure if the same is true for the successor mechanic in {{wp|Dragon Quest Monsters: Caravan Heart|Caravan Heart}}...). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Manga ==

In the [[Pokémon Special]] manga level is mentioned numerous times. I suppose details should be included, but I do not have enough familiarity with the topic. [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 20:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dissobediance ==

Yeah, this seems a little off...It says that if a player has less then two Gym Badges, traded Pokemon will simply flat-out not obey at all, but when I restarted my Platinum game, I started using some Lv1s from my previous save file, and they didn't start disobeying me until they reached Lv10. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 23:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC) (Sorry, forgot to sign)

Talk:Level

2009-10-22T23:40:15Z

Dual: /* Dissobediance */ new section

Talk:Effort values

2009-10-17T07:36:58Z

Dual: /* Some adjustments needed? */

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'm confused as to what happens in that situation. If the Pokemon has 99 EVs and you give it a vitamin, will it only gain 1 EV so that it hits 100, or will it raise the EVs to 109? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, if you know your exact IVs, it's possible to calculate your EVs, but otherwise, no. Generally, if you're training for a particular number of EVs, you keep track of it in a notepad or something. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I never bothered with EVs or IVs till now, so I didn't keep track. So what's the formula to calculate the EVs then? Also, does the formula calculate the EVs exactly, or is it just an approximate amount? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Little Tim

2009-10-17T07:20:29Z

Dual: Created page with 'Er...I'm fairly certain that Dicken's ''A Christmas Carol'' is in the public domain, and has been for quite a while now. There's no way Nintendo could have been sued for using t…'

Er...I'm fairly certain that Dicken's ''A Christmas Carol'' is in the public domain, and has been for quite a while now. There's no way Nintendo could have been sued for using the name "Tiny Tim." --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T22:38:27Z

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The four [[generation]]s of [[Pokémon games]], taking place in the same {{pkmn|world|universe}}, have had multiple references to each other. Not only do the games reference their same-generation counterparts (with the {{player}}'s default name being the version played and the [[rival]]'s being the counterpart version in the first two generations), but games released later in the series typically will feature references to events of past generations.

Please note, of course, that this does not include Pokémon. While Pokémon released in previous generations will always appear, they are not a reference to the generation itself.

==List of references==
===Generation II===
====To Generation I====
* Not only is the [[Kanto]] region a playable area during the games, but several of the events of [[Generation I]] are spoken of as having happened three years previous. Many characters also reappear because of this, though some of them undergo design changes.
* {{ga|Red}}, the player character of the first games, is found training in [[Mt. Silver]] and can be battled.
* {{ga|Blue}}, the rival character of the first games, has become the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Viridian City]]. His team is based on the Pokémon he used in the final battle in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.
* A man in the [[Violet City]] Pokémon Center states that the former [[Team Rocket]] was broken up by a "{{ga|Red|young kid}}."
* The parents of the Copycat in [[Saffron City]] mention that her Clefairy Doll was given to her by {{ga|Red|a boy}} three years before.
* The {{DL|In-battle effect item|Berserk Gene}}, a held item, is found near the former entrance of the now-collapsed [[Cerulean Cave]], where {{p|Mewtwo}} once hid.
* There is a [[Pokémon doll]] of a {{m|Surf}}ing {{p|Pikachu}} available to decorate the room, which references the special minigame in {{game|Yellow}}.
* A man in [[Cerulean City]] says there used to be [[Cerulean Cave|a cave near the city with powerful Pokémon]].
* If the player checks the poster in the [[Rocket Game Corner]], the player will be informed that there's nothing there, referring to the secret switch under the poster in Generation I.

===Generation III===
====To Generation I====
* [[Brawly]] is said to have once trained alongside [[Bruno]], who is a member of [[Kanto]]'s [[Elite Four]].
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Kanto. Its background music theme is also an arrangement of the S.S. Anne theme.
* On [[Faraway Island]], a series of smudged messages, which may have been left by [[Mr. Fuji]], appear on a [[signpost]].
* A boy in [[Lilycove City]] says that he and his family came from the [[Kanto]] region before he asks if there are any Pokémon found only in the [[Hoenn]] region.

====To Generation II====
* In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, the player-controlled character of {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} is said to have moved at the beginning of the game with his/her family from the [[Johto]] region, the main setting of the Generation II games. (In {{game|Emerald}} the character who said this instead states that the player character's family moved there from a faraway place.)
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Johto.
* A man in [[Mt. Moon]] says that [[Brock]] sometimes helps excavate [[fossil]]s there. This explains how he acquires the {{p|Kabutops}} and {{p|Omastar}} which he uses in the second generation of games.
* At the [[Cerulean Cape]], a dame says [[Misty]] has high hopes about the location, which is known as a famous dating spot. In the second generation of games, she is first encountered there with an unknown male character.
* [[Janine]], [[Koga]]'s daughter and future [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of [[Fuchsia Gym]], appears in [[Fuchsia City]], and tells the player that she is training to use {{t|Poison}} Pokémon like her father. She is misnamed as Charine in the English translation of FireRed and LeafGreen, however.
* The branch of [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Sevii Islands]] seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. Their lead scientist also tells that [[Giovanni]]'s child has red hair, a reference to [[Silver (game)|Silver]].
* One of [[Professor Oak]]'s assistants will state that he is to get a [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|radio show]] sometime in the near future.
* [[Celio]] mentions that some members of [[Bill]]'s family live in [[Goldenrod City]].
* A woman on [[Boon Island]] in [[Bruno]]'s section of the [[Fame Checker]] mentions the [[Ragecandybar]].
* [[Whitney]], [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] lookalikes appear as audience members in {{pkmn|Contest}}s.
* The man who digs [[Three Isle Path]] and gives the player a Nugget says that he'd like to buy a house in [[Kanto]]. He likely is the same person who gives away a Nugget in [[Generation II]] in his house on {{rt|2}}.
* The themes used on the [[Sevii Islands]] are remastered versions of Johto's final five routes as well as remastered versions of [[Olivine City]] and [[Cianwood City]].

===Generation IV===
====To Generation I====
* [[Professor Rowan]] is said to have developed the [[Sinnoh Dex]] with help from [[Professor Oak|a Pokémon professor from Kanto]].
* Professor Oak himself comes to [[Sinnoh]] to give the player the [[National Pokédex]], and can always be found in a house in [[Eterna City]] thereafter. He gives the player an [[Evolution-inducing held item#Up-Grade|Up-Grade]], which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from [[Kanto]].
* In the gatehouse east of [[Canalave City]] is a guard who complains that he is thirsty, like the guards in Kanto who will allow the [[player character|player]] to enter [[Saffron City]] if they are brought a drink. Unlike those guards, however, this one does not do anything if brought a drink.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on [[Route 210]] near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Koga|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* One of the [[Elite Four]], [[Bertha]], shares a similar name (in Japanese and English) and design to [[Agatha]]. It is possible they are related, or that Bertha was at least modeled after Agatha.
* {{OBP|Black Belt|Trainer class}} Eddie from {{Si|Victory Road}} mentions that he trained in [[Fighting Dojo]] at {{Ci|Saffron}}.
* In [[Amity Square]], some Pokémon may be let out out of their [[Poké Ball]] to follow their Trainer around. One of the few available is {{p|Pikachu}}, which did the same (however, throughout the game) in {{game|Yellow}}.
* Much like the [[Viridian Gym]], the [[Hearthome Gym]] isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
* [[Bebe]]'s buddy [[Bill]] is mentioned to have developed the basic storage system.
* Part of the Veilstone Game Corner music is a techno remix of the Rocket Game Corner music.
* One of {{ga|Lucas}}'s alternate names was Ash in the English versions of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. This is one of the default names of {{ga|Red}} in the games {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. It may even be a reference to the {{pkmn|anime}}'s [[Ash Ketchum|main character]].
[[File:Nostalgic Wallpaper.png|thumb|Wallpaper]]
* As a direct tribute to the original games, one of the wallpapers has been designed to resemble the design of the [[route]]s of the first games, complete with the graphics and sprites when the games are played on the [[Game Boy Color]], the [[Game Boy Advance]] or the [[Game Boy Advance SP]]. The wallpaper showcases typical features like both types of fences, low and high [[Tall grass|grass]], normal ground, a [[sign]] and a house.
* As {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are remakes of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, most of the Generation I-references there is also in this game.
* During a special {{p|Celebi}} event, the character will, in fact, travel in time back to some time after that {{g|Red}} has defeated [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni tells his [[Silver (game)|son]] that he has decided to disband [[Team Rocket]]. Afterwards, he will run towards the [[Johto]] region and is found in a cave. When the player has defeated him, he will make a remark about that the player reminds him of the [[Red (game)|boy]] that made him choose to disband the team.

====To Generation II====
* A news report of a [[red Gyarados]] begins the game. The cameraman who filmed the documentary appears at the [[Survival Area]].
** In {{v2|Platinum}}, the game instead begins with a report about Professor Rowan. However, the cameraman from the red Gyarados report is seen blocking the entrance to [[Lake Valor]], hoping to get a shot of the {{p|Azelf|legendary Pokémon}} said to live there.
* A man, who gives the player a {{p|Happiny}} {{pkmn|egg}} in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, says that [[Professor Elm]] recently announced that eggs kept [[party|with a Trainer]] will eventually hatch.
* [[Jasmine]], one of Johto's [[Gym Leader]]s, appears to give the player {{HM|07|Waterfall}}.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a {{p|Lugia|silver-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Whirl Islands]], a {{p|Ho-Oh|rainbow-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Tin Tower]], and {{p|Clefairy}} [[Days of the week#Monday|dancing]] in [[Mt. Moon]] sometime during his life.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on {{Rt|210}} near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Janine|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Hayden on [[Route 224]] mentions that he left [[Dragon's Den]] several years ago.
* The [[Poké Ball]] design on the floor of the Sinnoh Pokémon Centers is colored {{game|Gold and Silver|s|gold and silver}}. Park Balls are also colored gold and silver, and the normally black stripe in the middle is actually a light blue, {{game|Crystal||crystal}}-like color.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Geoffrey on [[Route 225]] mentions a [[Lance|Dragon Tamer Champion]].
* The {{p|Eevee}} which [[Bebe]] gives to the player was obtained originally from her [[Bill|friend]] in [[Johto]].
* [[Cynthia]], who somehow was able to obtain it (possibly from Jasmine, since she is in Sinnoh), gives the [[SecretPotion]], the medicine from [[Cianwood City]] that cured [[Amphy]] in [[Generation II]], to the player to cure the group of {{p|Psyduck}} blocking [[Route 210]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Gold's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Lugia}}, Silver's version mascot.
* When a {{shiny2}} {{p|Clefairy}} appears during a slot game in [[Veilstone Game Corner]], a remixed version of [[Mt. Moon Square]] music from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} is played.
* In {{game|Platinum}}, the [[legendary birds]] can be found roaming Sinnoh following completion of the Sinnoh Dex. This may explain their absence from Kanto in Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
* In Pokémon Platinum, one of the women in the basement floor of the [[Veilstone Department Store]] mentions that the store is sold out of [[Ragecandybar]]s (written as "Rage Candy Bars"), the local specialty in [[Mahogany Town]].

====To Generation III====
* A man in [[Hearthome City]], who says he is from the [[Hoenn]] region, will show the player to the [[Contest Hall]], a feature originally introduced in Hoenn.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a rocket launch from the Space Center in [[Mossdeep City]] sometime during his life.
* A woman in Valor Lakefront claims to have lost her Suite Key. If the player finds it near the [[Hotel Grand Lake]] using the [[Dowsing Machine]], she will offer a reward of one {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}, a specialty of Hoenn, possibly implying that her home is in that region.
* A [[Swimmer]] south of the Valor Lakefront says she would like to vacation in [[Hoenn]] because it has more routes on which to {{m|Surf}}.
* A woman west of [[Pastoria City]] used to work at the [[Weather Institute]] of Hoenn and will give out [[weather conditions|weather]]-changing [[TMs]] for [[Shard]]s.
* An old woman living at the base of [[Stark Mountain]] acts in the same way that another woman does on [[Route 111]] in Hoenn, insisting that the player keep healing his or her Pokémon with her in a creepy manner. Strangely, they both also live just north of a sandstorm-ridden desert.
* A Swimmer north of [[Sunyshore City]] wishes to visit Hoenn's seas.
* A [[Socialite]] in the Valor Lakefront restaurant will occasionally mention the sauce of her dish was made from spicy [[Cheri Berry|Cheri Berries]] with a Hoenn-style recipe.
* [[Bird Keeper]] Audrey on [[Route 225]] says she was born in [[Hoenn]].
* A woman in the {{Si|Battle Tower}} claims to have been from Hoenn, where another {{Ho|Battle Tower}} presides. In Platinum, her reference could mean either the Battle Tower itself or the [[Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Frontier]] that resided in Hoenn.
* A catalog in [[Rad Rickshaw]]'s Cycle Shop in [[Eterna City]] advertises the [[Mach Bike]] and [[Acro Bike]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in {{g|Battle Revolution}}, some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Groudon}}, Ruby's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Kyogre}}, Sapphire's version mascot.
* The [[Meister|fourteen foreign Pokédex entries]] are all from the respective translated versions of {{game|LeafGreen}}.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, many buildings and lengths of most Routes and areas in [[Kanto]] are heavily based on the {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}-Kanto rather than the {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}-Kanto. Furthermore, many areas and other aspects not present in the Gold/Silver-Kanto have returned in order to resemble the FireRed/LeafGreen-Kanto more closely.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]]

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Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-10-10T18:36:24Z

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I do wonder. Should we have the page at Gizamimi Pichu, since that's the "official" name used in the calendars and such? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably. Is it ever 'officially' called ''Notched-ear Pichu''??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
---This is true but I think it would make the page impossible to find. Most people probably know it as Notched-Ear Pichu as opposed to Gizamimi Pichu. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why redirects were created. (I knew they would come to good use sometime!!!) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::True. Perhaps this page should say "Notched-Ear Pichu, known in official materials as Gizamimi Pichu..."? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Voice actor ==

It needs to be Shōko Nakagawa with the accent mark. "Shoko Nakagawa" links to a nonexistant page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not any more it doesn't. But still a fix would be nice oh kind admins. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ability ==

When was the ability show/confirmed? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 00:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno either. But I guess it's from the Japanese movie site. I can't ready Japanese. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Can we get somebody who CAN read Japanese check the site? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 02:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Does Pichu have any other ability I'm not aware of. I find it odd that when an anime Pokemon only has one ability, its not confirmed, I realize that a Pokemon can have 2 abilities, but I don't buy that since it goes along the gender differences. A certain Pokemon had Ability A prior to Generation X. And there's no conflicting information (albeit speculative) that a Pokemon in the anime can't have both abilities, like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't have another ability in the games, but why can't the anime give it a different one? A new anime-exclusive one? Why can't the anime say only certain Pokémon have an ability, and others don't? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason why we don't add Blaze as Ash's Charizard's ability, despite being the only ability Fire starters can have. It has yet to be shown or confirmed by somebody. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly; that's why I think we should
a) Confirm Pichu's ability with a source
b) Remove it. {{unsigned|The Dark Fiddler}} 11:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Nobody? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I took so long. Link me.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==
::It is confirmed that little Notchie is shiny, though. *Leads all to Bulbanews*--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No, it's not Shiny. The Event Pichu is shiny. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Of which is directly based off of Notchie.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because the event Pichu is shiny doesn't mean that the Pichu itself is. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: No the only reason why the event Pichu is shiny is because there's no ear-notched Pichu programmed into the game. It being shiny was the only thing they could've done to make it stand out compared to other Pichu's. Notched Ear Pichu however is still normal. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::It looks like that in the preview of the newer ending, there's a Pikachu-colored Pichu appearing alongside Notch-eared Pichu. So they are infact separete entities [[User:PDL|PDL]] 13:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Left vs. Right ==
In the article, it says it's her right ear that is notched, but that is her left ear. {{unsigned|Wikifixer}}
:Someone epic failed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu in Ending ==
Too lazy to make a new section, but apparently, she is the fixation of the fourth ending. More info's on Bulbanews. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
: It was hard to type 4 equal signs? O.o Anyways, we know this, but other than mentioning it, there isn't anything we can do, it's just speculation that Notched-ear will become a part of the main cast until then. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 11:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes. And we need an admin to put that factoid in there, as the page is protected from vandals atm. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==
Instead of calling him Notched-ear Pichu,
Just call him by his Japanese name: Gizamimi Pichu.
It's Better then Notched-ear Pichu.
[[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]09:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

But its better. [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]] [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:...do you have a better reason? A less colossally vague reason?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Also it's a girl. But I do wonder about calling it Gizamimi as well, since that's on official stuff... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Because we wouldn't call [[Barry|Jun]] "Barry" until [[DP101]] was released even though it was beyond obvious. Are we so sure about Gizamimi's official title 3 months before even the Japanese movie is released? I'm not really picky, I don't mind what we call it (I'll still call it Gizamimi^^) but if you want an argument for Gizamimi Pichu, there it is. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"Her physical appearance is no different from an ordinary Pichu, other than the three spikes at the tip of her left ear, '''hence her name.'''" LOL?

If that's supposed to make sense it would have to be either:

-"...other than three notches..."

or it's name being: Three-spikes-ear-Pichu

Since when the word notch can mean extensions of something is beyond my logic anyway.

–noun

1. an angular or V-shaped cut, indentation, or slit in an object, surface, or edge.

2. a cut or nick made in a stick or other object for record, as in keeping a tally.

3. New England and Upstate New York. a deep, narrow opening or pass between mountains; gap; defile.

4. Informal. a step, degree, or grade: This camera is a notch better than the other.

5. Metallurgy. a taphole in a blast furnace: iron notch; cinder notch.

If there were cuts into it's ear, absolutely. but there is nothing missing and three spikes added instead, like the article already says, so wtf.

Jagged-ear-Pichu would make sense.
--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 07:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pichu? ==

I'm hearing everywhere about a picture of a shiny pichu, the notch-eared pichu, and pikachu. Where is this image? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:This is not something to be posted here. Go to your talk. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wild ==

It's obviously not a trainer's Pichu,It's obviously wild.
If it were a trainer's pokemon they would already reveal him or her. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the current location should be [[Michīna]]. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Not a Biggie, But . . . ==

Under the picture, the caption says Notched ear Pichu, but the rest of the article and the article title calls it the "Notched-ear Pichu". Note the missing hyphen. I mean, it's not like it's a big deal, but it's just something that's bugging me is all. >.> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 21:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset and Ability ==

Not sure if this info is out, but as revealed in Pokemon Sunday today:
*Charge
*Volt Tackle
*Endeavor
*Endure
*Holding: Everstone
--[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 23:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's the moveset of the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009|event ''Pikachu-colored Pichu'']] in the games, not Notched-ear Pichu. And games=/=anime, so that's not needed. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Game Purpose ==

The recent CoroCoro scan for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG/SS]] has Notchy interacting with the [[Alternate Coloration|Pikachu Colored]] {{p|Pichu}} owned by Gold. Should we add this to the article that it's at least ''involved'' in the games? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:According to [http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pichu.shtml], the PCP event in Ilex Forest gives the player Notchie. Should this be added? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why doesn't anyone make a Sprite for Gizamimi (Notched-Ear) Pichu. If they can make a Sparky (Ritchie's Pikachu) can't anyone do this? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::There is no need for such a sprite because it has no where to go. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Why does the article say Notched-ear Pichu is female? It's obviously male, or else it would have a notch in its tail. --[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's Pikachu. Pichu don't have gender differences. Further, its [[Get Fired up, Notched-ear Pichu!|theme song]] declares it to be a girl. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::I know that it's theme song declares it as a girl but gender has changed from the original version to the English dub frequently. Am I wrong? [[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Even if it ''is'' changed when it get's dubbed, that hasn't happened yet. So officially, NE Pichu is still female. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 16:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Wild? ==

From the new screen shots, you see Notched-Ear Pichu following behind the player. This might hint that it's been captured, for only captured Pokémon can follow the player. And because it was captured, it means that it is was a wild Pokémon.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== What is she? ==

Is she a game character,put into the anime like many other characters,or an anime character made canon in the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure she's an anime character put into the games because she was revealed to be in the anime before HG/SS.--[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:: But,a lot of things are revealed in the anime before they are revealed in the games..[[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== pikachu? ==

I this Pichu were to evolved then the Pikachu would not be notch eared right? So maybe there was a notched eared pikachu programmed into HGSS? {{u|Laxafett}} 19:37,18 June 2009(UTC)
:We already know that she has a completely unique sprite, so it's possible that, to the game, this may act as a completely different species. ...or maybe the Pikachu gets a notched ear. We'll have to wait and see.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::They may not allow it to evolve like the pikachu in pokemon yellow. And shouldnt this be in the forums. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime or Manga? ==

Shouldn't the section be "In the Manga" instead of "In the Anime"? It talks about the manga adaptation of the movie. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
: I noticed this aswell, but it's protected. *crai* It seems like a bit of a trivial thing to get an admin in to change though. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 17:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Not only that, it was also referred to as "Notch-Eared Pichu". '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::: [[gender|It]] was probably listed as "In the {{tt|[[Anime]]|stupid show that we watch for no apparent reason}}" because {{tt|some people|A.K.A. idiots/speculators/policy ignorers}} [[Villa decoration|figure]] [[gender|it]] {[m|Will-O-Wisp|will}} {{m|Role Play|play}} {{p|Unown|a}} {{p|Ditto|similar}} {{m|rollout|role}} in the {{tt|actual movie.|Why can't it debut in America sooner?}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Because all that linking really was necessary... fixed, Kev. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I was bored. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
== In the game ==

This special pichu has a different sprite, not just the notched ear but its pose, than a regular pichu.

[[User:050294|050294]] 04:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sprites change between games, dude. It's just Pichu's HGSS sprite. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think she means it's different from other Pichus in the same game.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 07:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::: [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:NEPHelpingHand.jpg Indeed it does] '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 18:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Evolution and Trading ==

It has been confirmed by CoroCoro that the Notched-Ear Pichu in HGSS cannot be traded and also is unable to evolve. I think this should be added to the article. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 16:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:I was going to say you could add it but the article is protected...so I added it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It also states on the article that Elm will call the pokemon center and tell them to stop the player from trading the Spiky-Ear Pichu. Is it possible to trade it prior to talking to Elm? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 08:15, 26th September 2009 (UTC)

== Role in the Movie ==

"she gives Damos the keys to his cell." Is that all? I mean, in the previews didn't they say that she'd have a major role in the story? That doesn't sound very major to me. That sounds more like a minor cameo.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 18:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Too many images ==

Is it really necessary to have 5486179 pictures of Notched-ear Pichu in its article? '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 04:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its only three, that's not a lot.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::It used to be 4, I took it out because there was already a good one to represent the "Game" section But still, it's a small article, only two would be good enough. But well, asking for sugestions... '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 05:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Or we could make the article bigger!(Highly doubt it) Or take one picture out, whatever floats your boat.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::::There's plenty of room for all the images there. Four is by no means too many; they display the Pichu in the different canons. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== 5 moves? ==

Pichu's move list shows 5 diff. moves she can learn. Shouldn't there only be 4? [[User:abcboy|Abcboy]]☆[[User talk:Abcboy|talk]] 14:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:This is the anime, which is way different from the games so there can be 5 6 and maybe even 33 [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::The only move list in this article is from the games, and displays four moves. Volt Tackle, Pain Split, Swagger, and Helping Hand. I think you've misread this. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should {{tt|I|or anyone else}} ==

Should someone upload the sprite of Notchy from HGSS, or are we waitin for higher-quality Images to be released? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:We're waiting on the quality. Currently we can only rip it from screenshots which aren't at full DS screen resolution. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Is it possible to get a shiny one? If not, why do we have the shiny image? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 01:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Prevent game crash, I'd imagine, like the ???-type Arceus. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::Cool. Also, should we create a template to show backsprites as well? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 04:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Dub name ==

Can someone change it now?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:Is done. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Does this make sense? Is it right? ==

Spiky-ear Pichu is the only in game event Pokémon that is not in its movie location? Unless we have to wait till movie 13 is fully announced and the cast goes to Johto and all.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Mew}} and [[Faraway Island]], and {{p|Latios|Lat}}{{p|Latias|i@s}} and [[Southern Island]] weren't in movies were they? '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 00:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::That's why I asked, I could not think of any, so thanks.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trade ==

I think some clarification is needed. Is this Pichu unable to be traded AT ALL, or just unable to be traded to D/P/P? I mean, could I trade it from HeartGold to SoulSilver or to another HeartGold? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it isn't tradable, '''period'''. But i don't own HG/SS, so I may be wrong. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 19:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::I would ask TTE since he has the game. But anyway I think it would be a no because then someone could get two Spiky-eared Pichus! Of course it could just turn normal. Maybe if you send it it to D/P it would become shiny . . . just a thought. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 21:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Did you read the article? It says trading it isn't possible because the people at the Pokemon Center make sure it isn't traded! --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 21:48, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe trading it is completely banned, though sooner or later someone cheats into the trade center, in which case the outcome cannot be predicted. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Once I beat the Elite Four, if someone hasn't found out already, I'll trade in my fakeful encounter shiny Pichu and see what I can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::If it's merely a matter of the NPC not letting you into the Trade Station with it in your party, couldn't you simply by-pass that with a simple "Walk Through Walls" cheat to get past them? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
No, you can't do that, or at least you couldn't in DP. On of my friend's ded that and got stuck because his Action Replay failed on him. I suggested walking into the door, but the game just keeped freezing, though one time he made it in and the room was filled with some of those fighting type trainers (What were they called again?). [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 18:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting...I seem to recall that hackers used to use this method to get past the NPCs blocking them from getting into online battles. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:33:00Z

Dual:

== References and Similarities ==
It seems that there are quite a few things in this article that aren't really references, but rather simple similarities. For example:
*Much like the Viridian Gym, the Hearthome Gym isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
*Veilstone City is many ways like Celadon City of Kanto, both of which are the largest city in their region. Both have a Game Corner (Rocket Game Corner in Celadon and Veilstone Game Corner in Veilstone), a prize exchange shop to accompany the Game Corner, and a Department Store (Celadon Dept. in Celadon and Veilstone Dept. in Veilstone). The villainous team of the region has two headquarters in the city: Team Rocket has Rocket Game Corner and Rocket Hideout and Team Galactic has Galactic Veilstone Building and Galactic Warehouse.
Those really don't seem like references to me. Should they really be included in the article?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:Why? Those are clear references/similaritites to different generations. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Those aren't references, they're just similarities. There's a very distinct difference between the two, and seeing as how this article is about cross-generational '''references,''' pointless similarities should be left out. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Similarities in my opinion belong on the trivia of the newer version, ie Veilstone's trivia references its similarity to Celadon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::So does that mean I should go ahead and remove those points from the article? (Or did you already go ahead with it?)--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If they're still in there, go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Cleaned up the article a bit to get rid of some more similarities that wormed their way into the article. Also, remakes can't really be considered a reference to the games that they're based on, since they're pretty much replacing those games in the canon. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Shorts? ==

Does anyone think the whole "shorts" thing with Youngsters counts as a reference? {{Unsigned|MyGolden}}

== Silver's Relationship to Giovanni ==

From the section about GenII references in GenIII: ''The branch of Team Rocket in the Sevii Islands seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. '''Their lead scientist also tells that Giovanni's child has red hair, a reference to Silver.'''''

During GenIII and GenII, it was still unconfirmed that [[Silver (game)|Silver]] was Giovanni's son. Obviously we all assumed that he was due to their relationship in the [[Silver (Special)|Special manga]], but it wasn't until the GenIV remakes that it was confirmed as part of the game's canon. Should this really be listed as a reference to a past Generation, even though it wasn't confirmed until a remake two Generations later? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Oak in GenIV ==

From the GenI References in GenIV: ''Professor Oak himself comes to Sinnoh to give the player the National Pokédex, and can always be found in a house in Eterna City thereafter. He gives the player an Up-Grade, which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from Kanto.''
Does this ''really'' count as a reference to GenI? I mean, c'mon, Oak manages to show up in all of the games at one point or another. Do all of those count as GenI references? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:31:50Z

Dual: /* To Generation I */

The four [[generation]]s of [[Pokémon games]], taking place in the same {{pkmn|world|universe}}, have had multiple references to each other. Not only do the games reference their same-generation counterparts (with the {{player}}'s default name being the version played and the [[rival]]'s being the counterpart version in the first two generations), but games released later in the series typically will feature references to events of past generations.

Please note, of course, that this does not include Pokémon. While Pokémon released in previous generations will always appear, they are not a reference to the generation itself.

==List of references==
===Generation II===
====To Generation I====
* Not only is the [[Kanto]] region a playable area during the games, but several of the events of [[Generation I]] are spoken of as having happened three years previous. Many characters also reappear because of this, though some of them undergo design changes.
* {{ga|Red}}, the player character of the first games, is found training in [[Mt. Silver]] and can be battled.
* {{ga|Blue}}, the rival character of the first games, has become the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Viridian City]]. His team is based on the Pokémon he used in the final battle in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.
* A man in the [[Violet City]] Pokémon Center states that the former [[Team Rocket]] was broken up by a "{{ga|Red|young kid}}."
* The parents of the Copycat in [[Saffron City]] mention that her Clefairy Doll was given to her by {{ga|Red|a boy}} three years before.
* The {{DL|In-battle effect item|Berserk Gene}}, a held item, is found near the former entrance of the now-collapsed [[Cerulean Cave]], where {{p|Mewtwo}} once hid.
* There is a [[Pokémon doll]] of a {{m|Surf}}ing {{p|Pikachu}} available to decorate the room, which references the special minigame in {{game|Yellow}}.
* A man in [[Cerulean City]] says there used to be [[Cerulean Cave|a cave near the city with powerful Pokémon]].
* If the player checks the poster in the [[Rocket Game Corner]], the player will be informed that there's nothing there, referring to the secret switch under the poster in Generation I.

===Generation III===
====To Generation I====
* [[Brawly]] is said to have once trained alongside [[Bruno]], who is a member of [[Kanto]]'s [[Elite Four]].
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Kanto. Its background music theme is also an arrangement of the S.S. Anne theme.
* On [[Faraway Island]], a series of smudged messages, which may have been left by [[Mr. Fuji]], appear on a [[signpost]].
* A boy in [[Lilycove City]] says that he and his family came from the [[Kanto]] region before he asks if there are any Pokémon found only in the [[Hoenn]] region.

====To Generation II====
* In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, the player-controlled character of {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} is said to have moved at the beginning of the game with his/her family from the [[Johto]] region, the main setting of the Generation II games. (In {{game|Emerald}} the character who said this instead states that the player character's family moved there from a faraway place.)
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Johto.
* A man in [[Mt. Moon]] says that [[Brock]] sometimes helps excavate [[fossil]]s there. This explains how he acquires the {{p|Kabutops}} and {{p|Omastar}} which he uses in the second generation of games.
* At the [[Cerulean Cape]], a dame says [[Misty]] has high hopes about the location, which is known as a famous dating spot. In the second generation of games, she is first encountered there with an unknown male character.
* [[Janine]], [[Koga]]'s daughter and future [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of [[Fuchsia Gym]], appears in [[Fuchsia City]], and tells the player that she is training to use {{t|Poison}} Pokémon like her father. She is misnamed as Charine in the English translation of FireRed and LeafGreen, however.
* The branch of [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Sevii Islands]] seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. Their lead scientist also tells that [[Giovanni]]'s child has red hair, a reference to [[Silver (game)|Silver]].
* One of [[Professor Oak]]'s assistants will state that he is to get a [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|radio show]] sometime in the near future.
* [[Celio]] mentions that some members of [[Bill]]'s family live in [[Goldenrod City]].
* A woman on [[Boon Island]] in [[Bruno]]'s section of the [[Fame Checker]] mentions the [[Ragecandybar]].
* [[Whitney]], [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] lookalikes appear as audience members in {{pkmn|Contest}}s.
* The man who digs [[Three Isle Path]] and gives the player a Nugget says that he'd like to buy a house in [[Kanto]]. He likely is the same person who gives away a Nugget in [[Generation II]] in his house on {{rt|2}}.
* The themes used on the [[Sevii Islands]] are remastered versions of Johto's final five routes as well as remastered versions of [[Olivine City]] and [[Cianwood City]].

===Generation IV===
====To Generation I====
* [[Professor Rowan]] is said to have developed the [[Sinnoh Dex]] with help from [[Professor Oak|a Pokémon professor from Kanto]].
* Professor Oak himself comes to [[Sinnoh]] to give the player the [[National Pokédex]], and can always be found in a house in [[Eterna City]] thereafter. He gives the player an [[Evolution-inducing held item#Up-Grade|Up-Grade]], which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from [[Kanto]].
* In the gatehouse east of [[Canalave City]] is a guard who complains that he is thirsty, like the guards in Kanto who will allow the [[player character|player]] to enter [[Saffron City]] if they are brought a drink. Unlike those guards, however, this one does not do anything if brought a drink.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on [[Route 210]] near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Koga|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* One of the [[Elite Four]], [[Bertha]], shares a similar name (in Japanese and English) and design to [[Agatha]]. It is possible they are related, or that Bertha was at least modeled after Agatha.
* {{OBP|Black Belt|Trainer class}} Eddie from {{Si|Victory Road}} mentions that he trained in [[Fighting Dojo]] at {{Ci|Saffron}}.
* In [[Amity Square]], some Pokémon may be let out out of their [[Poké Ball]] to follow their Trainer around. One of the few available is {{p|Pikachu}}, which did the same (however, throughout the game) in {{game|Yellow}}.
* Much like the [[Viridian Gym]], the [[Hearthome Gym]] isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
* [[Bebe]]'s buddy [[Bill]] is mentioned to have developed the basic storage system.
* Part of the Veilstone Game Corner music is a techno remix of the Rocket Game Corner music.
* One of {{ga|Lucas}}'s alternate names was Ash in the English versions of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. This is one of the default names of {{ga|Red}} in the games {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. It may even be a reference to the {{pkmn|anime}}'s [[Ash Ketchum|main character]].
[[File:Nostalgic Wallpaper.png|thumb|Wallpaper]]
* As a direct tribute to the original games, one of the wallpapers has been designed to resemble the design of the [[route]]s of the first games, complete with the graphics and sprites when the games are played on the [[Game Boy Color]], the [[Game Boy Advance]] or the [[Game Boy Advance SP]]. The wallpaper showcases typical features like both types of fences, low and high [[Tall grass|grass]], normal ground, a [[sign]] and a house.
* As {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are remakes of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, most of the Generation I-references there is also in this game.
* During a special {{p|Celebi}} event, the character will, in fact, travel in time back to some time after that {{g|Red}} has defeated [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni tells his [[Silver (game)|son]] that he has decided to disband [[Team Rocket]]. Afterwards, he will run towards the [[Johto]] region and is found in a cave. When the player has defeated him, he will make a remark about that the player reminds him of the [[Red (game)|boy]] that made him choose to disband the team.

====To Generation II====
* A news report of a [[red Gyarados]] begins the game. The cameraman who filmed the documentary appears at the [[Survival Area]].
** In {{v2|Platinum}}, the game instead begins with a report about Professor Rowan. However, the cameraman from the red Gyarados report is seen blocking the entrance to [[Lake Valor]], hoping to get a shot of the {{p|Azelf|legendary Pokémon}} said to live there.
* A man, who gives the player a {{p|Happiny}} {{pkmn|egg}} in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, says that [[Professor Elm]] recently announced that eggs kept [[party|with a Trainer]] will eventually hatch.
* [[Jasmine]], one of Johto's [[Gym Leader]]s, appears to give the player {{HM|07|Waterfall}}.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a {{p|Lugia|silver-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Whirl Islands]], a {{p|Ho-Oh|rainbow-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Tin Tower]], and {{p|Clefairy}} [[Days of the week#Monday|dancing]] in [[Mt. Moon]] sometime during his life.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on {{Rt|210}} near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Janine|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Hayden on [[Route 224]] mentions that he left [[Dragon's Den]] several years ago.
* The [[Poké Ball]] design on the floor of the Sinnoh Pokémon Centers is colored {{game|Gold and Silver|s|gold and silver}}. Park Balls are also colored gold and silver, and the normally black stripe in the middle is actually a light blue, {{game|Crystal||crystal}}-like color.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Geoffrey on [[Route 225]] mentions a [[Lance|Dragon Tamer Champion]].
* The {{p|Eevee}} which [[Bebe]] gives to the player was obtained originally from her [[Bill|friend]] in [[Johto]].
* [[Cynthia]], who somehow was able to obtain it (possibly from Jasmine, since she is in Sinnoh), gives the [[SecretPotion]], the medicine from [[Cianwood City]] that cured [[Amphy]] in [[Generation II]], to the player to cure the group of {{p|Psyduck}} blocking [[Route 210]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Gold's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Lugia}}, Silver's version mascot.
* When a {{shiny2}} {{p|Clefairy}} appears during a slot game in [[Veilstone Game Corner]], a remixed version of [[Mt. Moon Square]] music from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} is played.
* [[Maylene]]'s Japanese name, スモモ (''Sumomo''), is coincidentally shared by Kuni, a [[Kimono Girl]].
* In {{game|Platinum}}, the [[legendary birds]] can be found roaming Sinnoh following completion of the Sinnoh Dex. This may explain their absence from Kanto in Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
* In Pokémon Platinum, one of the women in the basement floor of the [[Veilstone Department Store]] mentions that the store is sold out of [[Ragecandybar]]s (written as "Rage Candy Bars"), the local specialty in [[Mahogany Town]].

====To Generation III====
* A man in [[Hearthome City]], who says he is from the [[Hoenn]] region, will show the player to the [[Contest Hall]], a feature originally introduced in Hoenn.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a rocket launch from the Space Center in [[Mossdeep City]] sometime during his life.
* A woman in Valor Lakefront claims to have lost her Suite Key. If the player finds it near the [[Hotel Grand Lake]] using the [[Dowsing Machine]], she will offer a reward of one {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}, a specialty of Hoenn, possibly implying that her home is in that region.
* A [[Swimmer]] south of the Valor Lakefront says she would like to vacation in [[Hoenn]] because it has more routes on which to {{m|Surf}}.
* A woman west of [[Pastoria City]] used to work at the [[Weather Institute]] of Hoenn and will give out [[weather conditions|weather]]-changing [[TMs]] for [[Shard]]s.
* An old woman living at the base of [[Stark Mountain]] acts in the same way that another woman does on [[Route 111]] in Hoenn, insisting that the player keep healing his or her Pokémon with her in a creepy manner. Strangely, they both also live just north of a sandstorm-ridden desert.
* A Swimmer north of [[Sunyshore City]] wishes to visit Hoenn's seas.
* A [[Socialite]] in the Valor Lakefront restaurant will occasionally mention the sauce of her dish was made from spicy [[Cheri Berry|Cheri Berries]] with a Hoenn-style recipe.
* [[Bird Keeper]] Audrey on [[Route 225]] says she was born in [[Hoenn]].
* A woman in the {{Si|Battle Tower}} claims to have been from Hoenn, where another {{Ho|Battle Tower}} presides. In Platinum, her reference could mean either the Battle Tower itself or the [[Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Frontier]] that resided in Hoenn.
* A catalog in [[Rad Rickshaw]]'s Cycle Shop in [[Eterna City]] advertises the [[Mach Bike]] and [[Acro Bike]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in {{g|Battle Revolution}}, some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Groudon}}, Ruby's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Kyogre}}, Sapphire's version mascot.
* The [[Meister|fourteen foreign Pokédex entries]] are all from the respective translated versions of {{game|LeafGreen}}.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, many buildings and lengths of most Routes and areas in [[Kanto]] are heavily based on the {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}-Kanto rather than the {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}-Kanto. Furthermore, many areas and other aspects not present in the Gold/Silver-Kanto have returned in order to resemble the FireRed/LeafGreen-Kanto more closely.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:27:56Z

Dual: /* To Generation II */

The four [[generation]]s of [[Pokémon games]], taking place in the same {{pkmn|world|universe}}, have had multiple references to each other. Not only do the games reference their same-generation counterparts (with the {{player}}'s default name being the version played and the [[rival]]'s being the counterpart version in the first two generations), but games released later in the series typically will feature references to events of past generations.

Please note, of course, that this does not include Pokémon. While Pokémon released in previous generations will always appear, they are not a reference to the generation itself.

==List of references==
===Generation II===
====To Generation I====
* Not only is the [[Kanto]] region a playable area during the games, but several of the events of [[Generation I]] are spoken of as having happened three years previous. Many characters also reappear because of this, though some of them undergo design changes.
* {{ga|Red}}, the player character of the first games, is found training in [[Mt. Silver]] and can be battled.
* {{ga|Blue}}, the rival character of the first games, has become the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Viridian City]]. His team is based on the Pokémon he used in the final battle in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.
* A man in the [[Violet City]] Pokémon Center states that the former [[Team Rocket]] was broken up by a "{{ga|Red|young kid}}."
* The parents of the Copycat in [[Saffron City]] mention that her Clefairy Doll was given to her by {{ga|Red|a boy}} three years before.
* The {{DL|In-battle effect item|Berserk Gene}}, a held item, is found near the former entrance of the now-collapsed [[Cerulean Cave]], where {{p|Mewtwo}} once hid.
* There is a [[Pokémon doll]] of a {{m|Surf}}ing {{p|Pikachu}} available to decorate the room, which references the special minigame in {{game|Yellow}}.
* A man in [[Cerulean City]] says there used to be [[Cerulean Cave|a cave near the city with powerful Pokémon]].
* If the player checks the poster in the [[Rocket Game Corner]], the player will be informed that there's nothing there, referring to the secret switch under the poster in Generation I.

===Generation III===
====To Generation I====
* [[Brawly]] is said to have once trained alongside [[Bruno]], who is a member of [[Kanto]]'s [[Elite Four]].
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Kanto. Its background music theme is also an arrangement of the S.S. Anne theme.
* {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} in their entirety are a reference to Generation I's events, while the credit sequence references the [[version mascot]]s of {{v2|Red}}, {{v2|Green}}, [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], and {{v2|Yellow}}.
* On [[Faraway Island]], a series of smudged messages, which may have been left by [[Mr. Fuji]], appear on a [[signpost]].
* A boy in [[Lilycove City]] says that he and his family came from the [[Kanto]] region before he asks if there are any Pokémon found only in the [[Hoenn]] region.

====To Generation II====
* In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, the player-controlled character of {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} is said to have moved at the beginning of the game with his/her family from the [[Johto]] region, the main setting of the Generation II games. (In {{game|Emerald}} the character who said this instead states that the player character's family moved there from a faraway place.)
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Johto.
* A man in [[Mt. Moon]] says that [[Brock]] sometimes helps excavate [[fossil]]s there. This explains how he acquires the {{p|Kabutops}} and {{p|Omastar}} which he uses in the second generation of games.
* At the [[Cerulean Cape]], a dame says [[Misty]] has high hopes about the location, which is known as a famous dating spot. In the second generation of games, she is first encountered there with an unknown male character.
* [[Janine]], [[Koga]]'s daughter and future [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of [[Fuchsia Gym]], appears in [[Fuchsia City]], and tells the player that she is training to use {{t|Poison}} Pokémon like her father. She is misnamed as Charine in the English translation of FireRed and LeafGreen, however.
* The branch of [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Sevii Islands]] seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. Their lead scientist also tells that [[Giovanni]]'s child has red hair, a reference to [[Silver (game)|Silver]].
* One of [[Professor Oak]]'s assistants will state that he is to get a [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|radio show]] sometime in the near future.
* [[Celio]] mentions that some members of [[Bill]]'s family live in [[Goldenrod City]].
* A woman on [[Boon Island]] in [[Bruno]]'s section of the [[Fame Checker]] mentions the [[Ragecandybar]].
* [[Whitney]], [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] lookalikes appear as audience members in {{pkmn|Contest}}s.
* The man who digs [[Three Isle Path]] and gives the player a Nugget says that he'd like to buy a house in [[Kanto]]. He likely is the same person who gives away a Nugget in [[Generation II]] in his house on {{rt|2}}.
* The themes used on the [[Sevii Islands]] are remastered versions of Johto's final five routes as well as remastered versions of [[Olivine City]] and [[Cianwood City]].

===Generation IV===
====To Generation I====
* [[Professor Rowan]] is said to have developed the [[Sinnoh Dex]] with help from [[Professor Oak|a Pokémon professor from Kanto]].
* Professor Oak himself comes to [[Sinnoh]] to give the player the [[National Pokédex]], and can always be found in a house in [[Eterna City]] thereafter. He gives the player an [[Evolution-inducing held item#Up-Grade|Up-Grade]], which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from [[Kanto]].
* In the gatehouse east of [[Canalave City]] is a guard who complains that he is thirsty, like the guards in Kanto who will allow the [[player character|player]] to enter [[Saffron City]] if they are brought a drink. Unlike those guards, however, this one does not do anything if brought a drink.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on [[Route 210]] near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Koga|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* One of the [[Elite Four]], [[Bertha]], shares a similar name (in Japanese and English) and design to [[Agatha]]. It is possible they are related, or that Bertha was at least modeled after Agatha.
* {{OBP|Black Belt|Trainer class}} Eddie from {{Si|Victory Road}} mentions that he trained in [[Fighting Dojo]] at {{Ci|Saffron}}.
* In [[Amity Square]], some Pokémon may be let out out of their [[Poké Ball]] to follow their Trainer around. One of the few available is {{p|Pikachu}}, which did the same (however, throughout the game) in {{game|Yellow}}.
* Much like the [[Viridian Gym]], the [[Hearthome Gym]] isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
* [[Bebe]]'s buddy [[Bill]] is mentioned to have developed the basic storage system.
* Part of the Veilstone Game Corner music is a techno remix of the Rocket Game Corner music.
* One of {{ga|Lucas}}'s alternate names was Ash in the English versions of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. This is one of the default names of {{ga|Red}} in the games {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. It may even be a reference to the {{pkmn|anime}}'s [[Ash Ketchum|main character]].
[[File:Nostalgic Wallpaper.png|thumb|Wallpaper]]
* As a direct tribute to the original games, one of the wallpapers has been designed to resemble the design of the [[route]]s of the first games, complete with the graphics and sprites when the games are played on the [[Game Boy Color]], the [[Game Boy Advance]] or the [[Game Boy Advance SP]]. The wallpaper showcases typical features like both types of fences, low and high [[Tall grass|grass]], normal ground, a [[sign]] and a house.
* As {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are remakes of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, most of the Generation I-references there is also in this game.
* During a special {{p|Celebi}} event, the character will, in fact, travel in time back to some time after that {{g|Red}} has defeated [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni tells his [[Silver (game)|son]] that he has decided to disband [[Team Rocket]]. Afterwards, he will run towards the [[Johto]] region and is found in a cave. When the player has defeated him, he will make a remark about that the player reminds him of the [[Red (game)|boy]] that made him choose to disband the team.

====To Generation II====
* A news report of a [[red Gyarados]] begins the game. The cameraman who filmed the documentary appears at the [[Survival Area]].
** In {{v2|Platinum}}, the game instead begins with a report about Professor Rowan. However, the cameraman from the red Gyarados report is seen blocking the entrance to [[Lake Valor]], hoping to get a shot of the {{p|Azelf|legendary Pokémon}} said to live there.
* A man, who gives the player a {{p|Happiny}} {{pkmn|egg}} in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, says that [[Professor Elm]] recently announced that eggs kept [[party|with a Trainer]] will eventually hatch.
* [[Jasmine]], one of Johto's [[Gym Leader]]s, appears to give the player {{HM|07|Waterfall}}.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a {{p|Lugia|silver-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Whirl Islands]], a {{p|Ho-Oh|rainbow-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Tin Tower]], and {{p|Clefairy}} [[Days of the week#Monday|dancing]] in [[Mt. Moon]] sometime during his life.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on {{Rt|210}} near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Janine|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Hayden on [[Route 224]] mentions that he left [[Dragon's Den]] several years ago.
* The [[Poké Ball]] design on the floor of the Sinnoh Pokémon Centers is colored {{game|Gold and Silver|s|gold and silver}}. Park Balls are also colored gold and silver, and the normally black stripe in the middle is actually a light blue, {{game|Crystal||crystal}}-like color.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Geoffrey on [[Route 225]] mentions a [[Lance|Dragon Tamer Champion]].
* The {{p|Eevee}} which [[Bebe]] gives to the player was obtained originally from her [[Bill|friend]] in [[Johto]].
* [[Cynthia]], who somehow was able to obtain it (possibly from Jasmine, since she is in Sinnoh), gives the [[SecretPotion]], the medicine from [[Cianwood City]] that cured [[Amphy]] in [[Generation II]], to the player to cure the group of {{p|Psyduck}} blocking [[Route 210]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Gold's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Lugia}}, Silver's version mascot.
* When a {{shiny2}} {{p|Clefairy}} appears during a slot game in [[Veilstone Game Corner]], a remixed version of [[Mt. Moon Square]] music from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} is played.
* [[Maylene]]'s Japanese name, スモモ (''Sumomo''), is coincidentally shared by Kuni, a [[Kimono Girl]].
* In {{game|Platinum}}, the [[legendary birds]] can be found roaming Sinnoh following completion of the Sinnoh Dex. This may explain their absence from Kanto in Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
* In Pokémon Platinum, one of the women in the basement floor of the [[Veilstone Department Store]] mentions that the store is sold out of [[Ragecandybar]]s (written as "Rage Candy Bars"), the local specialty in [[Mahogany Town]].

====To Generation III====
* A man in [[Hearthome City]], who says he is from the [[Hoenn]] region, will show the player to the [[Contest Hall]], a feature originally introduced in Hoenn.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a rocket launch from the Space Center in [[Mossdeep City]] sometime during his life.
* A woman in Valor Lakefront claims to have lost her Suite Key. If the player finds it near the [[Hotel Grand Lake]] using the [[Dowsing Machine]], she will offer a reward of one {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}, a specialty of Hoenn, possibly implying that her home is in that region.
* A [[Swimmer]] south of the Valor Lakefront says she would like to vacation in [[Hoenn]] because it has more routes on which to {{m|Surf}}.
* A woman west of [[Pastoria City]] used to work at the [[Weather Institute]] of Hoenn and will give out [[weather conditions|weather]]-changing [[TMs]] for [[Shard]]s.
* An old woman living at the base of [[Stark Mountain]] acts in the same way that another woman does on [[Route 111]] in Hoenn, insisting that the player keep healing his or her Pokémon with her in a creepy manner. Strangely, they both also live just north of a sandstorm-ridden desert.
* A Swimmer north of [[Sunyshore City]] wishes to visit Hoenn's seas.
* A [[Socialite]] in the Valor Lakefront restaurant will occasionally mention the sauce of her dish was made from spicy [[Cheri Berry|Cheri Berries]] with a Hoenn-style recipe.
* [[Bird Keeper]] Audrey on [[Route 225]] says she was born in [[Hoenn]].
* A woman in the {{Si|Battle Tower}} claims to have been from Hoenn, where another {{Ho|Battle Tower}} presides. In Platinum, her reference could mean either the Battle Tower itself or the [[Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Frontier]] that resided in Hoenn.
* A catalog in [[Rad Rickshaw]]'s Cycle Shop in [[Eterna City]] advertises the [[Mach Bike]] and [[Acro Bike]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in {{g|Battle Revolution}}, some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Groudon}}, Ruby's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Kyogre}}, Sapphire's version mascot.
* The [[Meister|fourteen foreign Pokédex entries]] are all from the respective translated versions of {{game|LeafGreen}}.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, many buildings and lengths of most Routes and areas in [[Kanto]] are heavily based on the {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}-Kanto rather than the {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}-Kanto. Furthermore, many areas and other aspects not present in the Gold/Silver-Kanto have returned in order to resemble the FireRed/LeafGreen-Kanto more closely.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:24:06Z

Dual: /* To Generation I */

The four [[generation]]s of [[Pokémon games]], taking place in the same {{pkmn|world|universe}}, have had multiple references to each other. Not only do the games reference their same-generation counterparts (with the {{player}}'s default name being the version played and the [[rival]]'s being the counterpart version in the first two generations), but games released later in the series typically will feature references to events of past generations.

Please note, of course, that this does not include Pokémon. While Pokémon released in previous generations will always appear, they are not a reference to the generation itself.

==List of references==
===Generation II===
====To Generation I====
* Not only is the [[Kanto]] region a playable area during the games, but several of the events of [[Generation I]] are spoken of as having happened three years previous. Many characters also reappear because of this, though some of them undergo design changes.
* {{ga|Red}}, the player character of the first games, is found training in [[Mt. Silver]] and can be battled.
* {{ga|Blue}}, the rival character of the first games, has become the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Viridian City]]. His team is based on the Pokémon he used in the final battle in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.
* A man in the [[Violet City]] Pokémon Center states that the former [[Team Rocket]] was broken up by a "{{ga|Red|young kid}}."
* The parents of the Copycat in [[Saffron City]] mention that her Clefairy Doll was given to her by {{ga|Red|a boy}} three years before.
* The {{DL|In-battle effect item|Berserk Gene}}, a held item, is found near the former entrance of the now-collapsed [[Cerulean Cave]], where {{p|Mewtwo}} once hid.
* There is a [[Pokémon doll]] of a {{m|Surf}}ing {{p|Pikachu}} available to decorate the room, which references the special minigame in {{game|Yellow}}.
* A man in [[Cerulean City]] says there used to be [[Cerulean Cave|a cave near the city with powerful Pokémon]].
* If the player checks the poster in the [[Rocket Game Corner]], the player will be informed that there's nothing there, referring to the secret switch under the poster in Generation I.

===Generation III===
====To Generation I====
* [[Brawly]] is said to have once trained alongside [[Bruno]], who is a member of [[Kanto]]'s [[Elite Four]].
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Kanto. Its background music theme is also an arrangement of the S.S. Anne theme.
* {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} in their entirety are a reference to Generation I's events, while the credit sequence references the [[version mascot]]s of {{v2|Red}}, {{v2|Green}}, [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], and {{v2|Yellow}}.
* On [[Faraway Island]], a series of smudged messages, which may have been left by [[Mr. Fuji]], appear on a [[signpost]].
* A boy in [[Lilycove City]] says that he and his family came from the [[Kanto]] region before he asks if there are any Pokémon found only in the [[Hoenn]] region.

====To Generation II====
* In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, the player-controlled character of {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} is said to have moved at the beginning of the game with his/her family from the [[Johto]] region, the main setting of the Generation II games. (In {{game|Emerald}} the character who said this instead states that the player character's family moved there from a faraway place.)
* The Oceanic Museum in [[Slateport City]] has two water samples, one of which is from Johto.
* A man in [[Mt. Moon]] says that [[Brock]] sometimes helps excavate [[fossil]]s there. This explains how he acquires the {{p|Kabutops}} and {{p|Omastar}} which he uses in the second generation of games.
* At the [[Cerulean Cape]], a dame says [[Misty]] has high hopes about the location, which is known as a famous dating spot. In the second generation of games, she is first encountered there with an unknown male character.
* [[Janine]], [[Koga]]'s daughter and future [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of [[Fuchsia Gym]], appears in [[Fuchsia City]], and tells the player that she is training to use {{t|Poison}} Pokémon like her father. She is misnamed as Charine in the English translation of FireRed and LeafGreen, however.
* The branch of [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Sevii Islands]] seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. Their lead scientist also tells that [[Giovanni]]'s child has red hair, a reference to [[Silver (game)|Silver]].
* One of [[Professor Oak]]'s assistants will state that he is to get a [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|radio show]] sometime in the near future.
* [[Celio]] mentions that some members of [[Bill]]'s family live in [[Goldenrod City]].
* A woman on [[Boon Island]] in [[Bruno]]'s section of the [[Fame Checker]] mentions the [[Ragecandybar]].
* [[Whitney]], [[Jasmine]] and [[Pryce]] lookalikes appear as audience members in {{pkmn|Contest}}s.
* The man who digs [[Three Isle Path]] and gives the player a Nugget says that he'd like to buy a house in [[Kanto]]. He likely is the same person who gives away a Nugget in [[Generation II]] in his house on {{rt|2}}.
* The themes used on the [[Sevii Islands]] are remastered versions of Johto's final five routes as well as remastered versions of [[Olivine City]] and [[Cianwood City]].

===Generation IV===
====To Generation I====
* [[Professor Rowan]] is said to have developed the [[Sinnoh Dex]] with help from [[Professor Oak|a Pokémon professor from Kanto]].
* Professor Oak himself comes to [[Sinnoh]] to give the player the [[National Pokédex]], and can always be found in a house in [[Eterna City]] thereafter. He gives the player an [[Evolution-inducing held item#Up-Grade|Up-Grade]], which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from [[Kanto]].
* In the gatehouse east of [[Canalave City]] is a guard who complains that he is thirsty, like the guards in Kanto who will allow the [[player character|player]] to enter [[Saffron City]] if they are brought a drink. Unlike those guards, however, this one does not do anything if brought a drink.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on [[Route 210]] near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Koga|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* One of the [[Elite Four]], [[Bertha]], shares a similar name (in Japanese and English) and design to [[Agatha]]. It is possible they are related, or that Bertha was at least modeled after Agatha.
* {{OBP|Black Belt|Trainer class}} Eddie from {{Si|Victory Road}} mentions that he trained in [[Fighting Dojo]] at {{Ci|Saffron}}.
* In [[Amity Square]], some Pokémon may be let out out of their [[Poké Ball]] to follow their Trainer around. One of the few available is {{p|Pikachu}}, which did the same (however, throughout the game) in {{game|Yellow}}.
* Much like the [[Viridian Gym]], the [[Hearthome Gym]] isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
* [[Bebe]]'s buddy [[Bill]] is mentioned to have developed the basic storage system.
* Part of the Veilstone Game Corner music is a techno remix of the Rocket Game Corner music.
* One of {{ga|Lucas}}'s alternate names was Ash in the English versions of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. This is one of the default names of {{ga|Red}} in the games {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. It may even be a reference to the {{pkmn|anime}}'s [[Ash Ketchum|main character]].
[[File:Nostalgic Wallpaper.png|thumb|Wallpaper]]
* As a direct tribute to the original games, one of the wallpapers has been designed to resemble the design of the [[route]]s of the first games, complete with the graphics and sprites when the games are played on the [[Game Boy Color]], the [[Game Boy Advance]] or the [[Game Boy Advance SP]]. The wallpaper showcases typical features like both types of fences, low and high [[Tall grass|grass]], normal ground, a [[sign]] and a house.
* As {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are remakes of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, most of the Generation I-references there is also in this game.
* During a special {{p|Celebi}} event, the character will, in fact, travel in time back to some time after that {{g|Red}} has defeated [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni tells his [[Silver (game)|son]] that he has decided to disband [[Team Rocket]]. Afterwards, he will run towards the [[Johto]] region and is found in a cave. When the player has defeated him, he will make a remark about that the player reminds him of the [[Red (game)|boy]] that made him choose to disband the team.

====To Generation II====
* A news report of a [[red Gyarados]] begins the game. The cameraman who filmed the documentary appears at the [[Survival Area]].
** In {{v2|Platinum}}, the game instead begins with a report about Professor Rowan. However, the cameraman from the red Gyarados report is seen blocking the entrance to [[Lake Valor]], hoping to get a shot of the {{p|Azelf|legendary Pokémon}} said to live there.
* A man, who gives the player a {{p|Happiny}} {{pkmn|egg}} in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, says that [[Professor Elm]] recently announced that eggs kept [[party|with a Trainer]] will eventually hatch.
* [[Jasmine]], one of Johto's [[Gym Leader]]s, appears to give the player {{HM|07|Waterfall}}.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a {{p|Lugia|silver-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Whirl Islands]], a {{p|Ho-Oh|rainbow-colored Pokémon}} that resides in the [[Tin Tower]], and {{p|Clefairy}} [[Days of the week#Monday|dancing]] in [[Mt. Moon]] sometime during his life.
* A [[Ninja Boy]] on {{Rt|210}} near [[Celestic Town]] says he wants to train with a [[Janine|ninja]] [[Gym Leader]] in a faraway land.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Hayden on [[Route 224]] mentions that he left [[Dragon's Den]] several years ago.
* The [[Poké Ball]] design on the floor of the Sinnoh Pokémon Centers is colored {{game|Gold and Silver|s|gold and silver}}. Park Balls are also colored gold and silver, and the normally black stripe in the middle is actually a light blue, {{game|Crystal||crystal}}-like color.
* [[Dragon Tamer]] Geoffrey on [[Route 225]] mentions a [[Lance|Dragon Tamer Champion]].
* The {{p|Eevee}} which [[Bebe]] gives to the player was obtained originally from her [[Bill|friend]] in [[Johto]].
* [[Cynthia]], who somehow was able to obtain it (possibly from Jasmine, since she is in Sinnoh), gives the [[SecretPotion]], the medicine from [[Cianwood City]] that cured [[Amphy]] in [[Generation II]], to the player to cure the group of {{p|Psyduck}} blocking [[Route 210]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Gold's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Lugia}}, Silver's version mascot.
* When a {{shiny2}} {{p|Clefairy}} appears during a slot game in [[Veilstone Game Corner]], a remixed version of [[Mt. Moon Square]] music from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} is played.
* [[Maylene]]'s Japanese name, スモモ (''Sumomo''), is coincidentally shared by Kuni, a [[Kimono Girl]].
* In {{game|Platinum}}, the [[legendary birds]] can be found roaming Sinnoh following completion of the Sinnoh Dex. This may explain their absence from Kanto in Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
* In Pokémon Platinum, one of the women in the basement floor of the [[Veilstone Department Store]] mentions that the store is sold out of [[Ragecandybar]]s (written as "Rage Candy Bars"), the local specialty in [[Mahogany Town]].
* There are various similarities between Gyms and Gym Leaders between Sinnoh and Johto, including [[Byron]] and [[Jasmine]] being {{type2|Steel}} Gym Leaders and the sixth Gym Leader of their region, and [[Candice]] and [[Pryce]] being {{type2|Ice}} Gym Leaders and the seventh of their region.
* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} in their entirety are a reference to Generation II's events.

====To Generation III====
* A man in [[Hearthome City]], who says he is from the [[Hoenn]] region, will show the player to the [[Contest Hall]], a feature originally introduced in Hoenn.
* A man in [[Valor Lakefront]] states that he would like to see a rocket launch from the Space Center in [[Mossdeep City]] sometime during his life.
* A woman in Valor Lakefront claims to have lost her Suite Key. If the player finds it near the [[Hotel Grand Lake]] using the [[Dowsing Machine]], she will offer a reward of one {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}, a specialty of Hoenn, possibly implying that her home is in that region.
* A [[Swimmer]] south of the Valor Lakefront says she would like to vacation in [[Hoenn]] because it has more routes on which to {{m|Surf}}.
* A woman west of [[Pastoria City]] used to work at the [[Weather Institute]] of Hoenn and will give out [[weather conditions|weather]]-changing [[TMs]] for [[Shard]]s.
* An old woman living at the base of [[Stark Mountain]] acts in the same way that another woman does on [[Route 111]] in Hoenn, insisting that the player keep healing his or her Pokémon with her in a creepy manner. Strangely, they both also live just north of a sandstorm-ridden desert.
* A Swimmer north of [[Sunyshore City]] wishes to visit Hoenn's seas.
* A [[Socialite]] in the Valor Lakefront restaurant will occasionally mention the sauce of her dish was made from spicy [[Cheri Berry|Cheri Berries]] with a Hoenn-style recipe.
* [[Bird Keeper]] Audrey on [[Route 225]] says she was born in [[Hoenn]].
* A woman in the {{Si|Battle Tower}} claims to have been from Hoenn, where another {{Ho|Battle Tower}} presides. In Platinum, her reference could mean either the Battle Tower itself or the [[Battle Frontier (Hoenn)|Battle Frontier]] that resided in Hoenn.
* A catalog in [[Rad Rickshaw]]'s Cycle Shop in [[Eterna City]] advertises the [[Mach Bike]] and [[Acro Bike]].
* In Stargazer Colosseum in {{g|Battle Revolution}}, some of the Pokémon in the last battle depend on which game is linked to the Wii. If Diamond is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Groudon}}, Ruby's [[version mascot]], and if Pearl is linked, one of the Pokémon is {{p|Kyogre}}, Sapphire's version mascot.
* The [[Meister|fourteen foreign Pokédex entries]] are all from the respective translated versions of {{game|LeafGreen}}.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, many buildings and lengths of most Routes and areas in [[Kanto]] are heavily based on the {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}-Kanto rather than the {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}-Kanto. Furthermore, many areas and other aspects not present in the Gold/Silver-Kanto have returned in order to resemble the FireRed/LeafGreen-Kanto more closely.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]]

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[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:20:44Z

Dual: /* Oak in GenIV */

== References and Similarities ==
It seems that there are quite a few things in this article that aren't really references, but rather simple similarities. For example:
*Much like the Viridian Gym, the Hearthome Gym isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
*Veilstone City is many ways like Celadon City of Kanto, both of which are the largest city in their region. Both have a Game Corner (Rocket Game Corner in Celadon and Veilstone Game Corner in Veilstone), a prize exchange shop to accompany the Game Corner, and a Department Store (Celadon Dept. in Celadon and Veilstone Dept. in Veilstone). The villainous team of the region has two headquarters in the city: Team Rocket has Rocket Game Corner and Rocket Hideout and Team Galactic has Galactic Veilstone Building and Galactic Warehouse.
Those really don't seem like references to me. Should they really be included in the article?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:Why? Those are clear references/similaritites to different generations. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Those aren't references, they're just similarities. There's a very distinct difference between the two, and seeing as how this article is about cross-generational '''references,''' pointless similarities should be left out. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Similarities in my opinion belong on the trivia of the newer version, ie Veilstone's trivia references its similarity to Celadon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::So does that mean I should go ahead and remove those points from the article? (Or did you already go ahead with it?)--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If they're still in there, go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shorts? ==

Does anyone think the whole "shorts" thing with Youngsters counts as a reference? {{Unsigned|MyGolden}}

== Silver's Relationship to Giovanni ==

From the section about GenII references in GenIII: ''The branch of Team Rocket in the Sevii Islands seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. '''Their lead scientist also tells that Giovanni's child has red hair, a reference to Silver.'''''

During GenIII and GenII, it was still unconfirmed that [[Silver (game)|Silver]] was Giovanni's son. Obviously we all assumed that he was due to their relationship in the [[Silver (Special)|Special manga]], but it wasn't until the GenIV remakes that it was confirmed as part of the game's canon. Should this really be listed as a reference to a past Generation, even though it wasn't confirmed until a remake two Generations later? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Oak in GenIV ==

From the GenI References in GenIV: ''Professor Oak himself comes to Sinnoh to give the player the National Pokédex, and can always be found in a house in Eterna City thereafter. He gives the player an Up-Grade, which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from Kanto.''
Does this ''really'' count as a reference to GenI? I mean, c'mon, Oak manages to show up in all of the games at one point or another. Do all of those count as GenI references? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:20:22Z

Dual: /* Oak in GenIV */ new section

== References and Similarities ==
It seems that there are quite a few things in this article that aren't really references, but rather simple similarities. For example:
*Much like the Viridian Gym, the Hearthome Gym isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
*Veilstone City is many ways like Celadon City of Kanto, both of which are the largest city in their region. Both have a Game Corner (Rocket Game Corner in Celadon and Veilstone Game Corner in Veilstone), a prize exchange shop to accompany the Game Corner, and a Department Store (Celadon Dept. in Celadon and Veilstone Dept. in Veilstone). The villainous team of the region has two headquarters in the city: Team Rocket has Rocket Game Corner and Rocket Hideout and Team Galactic has Galactic Veilstone Building and Galactic Warehouse.
Those really don't seem like references to me. Should they really be included in the article?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:Why? Those are clear references/similaritites to different generations. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Those aren't references, they're just similarities. There's a very distinct difference between the two, and seeing as how this article is about cross-generational '''references,''' pointless similarities should be left out. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Similarities in my opinion belong on the trivia of the newer version, ie Veilstone's trivia references its similarity to Celadon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::So does that mean I should go ahead and remove those points from the article? (Or did you already go ahead with it?)--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If they're still in there, go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shorts? ==

Does anyone think the whole "shorts" thing with Youngsters counts as a reference? {{Unsigned|MyGolden}}

== Silver's Relationship to Giovanni ==

From the section about GenII references in GenIII: ''The branch of Team Rocket in the Sevii Islands seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. '''Their lead scientist also tells that Giovanni's child has red hair, a reference to Silver.'''''

During GenIII and GenII, it was still unconfirmed that [[Silver (game)|Silver]] was Giovanni's son. Obviously we all assumed that he was due to their relationship in the [[Silver (Special)|Special manga]], but it wasn't until the GenIV remakes that it was confirmed as part of the game's canon. Should this really be listed as a reference to a past Generation, even though it wasn't confirmed until a remake two Generations later? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Oak in GenIV ==

From the GenI References in GenIV: "Professor Oak himself comes to Sinnoh to give the player the National Pokédex, and can always be found in a house in Eterna City thereafter. He gives the player an Up-Grade, which was sent to Oak by his acquaintance from Kanto."
Does this ''really'' count as a reference to GenI? I mean, c'mon, Oak manages to show up in all of the games at one point or another. Do all of those count as GenI references? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2009-10-10T18:15:49Z

Dual: /* Silver's Relationship to Giovanni */ new section

== References and Similarities ==
It seems that there are quite a few things in this article that aren't really references, but rather simple similarities. For example:
*Much like the Viridian Gym, the Hearthome Gym isn't accessible when the player first arrives in its home city.
*Veilstone City is many ways like Celadon City of Kanto, both of which are the largest city in their region. Both have a Game Corner (Rocket Game Corner in Celadon and Veilstone Game Corner in Veilstone), a prize exchange shop to accompany the Game Corner, and a Department Store (Celadon Dept. in Celadon and Veilstone Dept. in Veilstone). The villainous team of the region has two headquarters in the city: Team Rocket has Rocket Game Corner and Rocket Hideout and Team Galactic has Galactic Veilstone Building and Galactic Warehouse.
Those really don't seem like references to me. Should they really be included in the article?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:Why? Those are clear references/similaritites to different generations. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Those aren't references, they're just similarities. There's a very distinct difference between the two, and seeing as how this article is about cross-generational '''references,''' pointless similarities should be left out. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Similarities in my opinion belong on the trivia of the newer version, ie Veilstone's trivia references its similarity to Celadon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::So does that mean I should go ahead and remove those points from the article? (Or did you already go ahead with it?)--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If they're still in there, go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shorts? ==

Does anyone think the whole "shorts" thing with Youngsters counts as a reference? {{Unsigned|MyGolden}}

== Silver's Relationship to Giovanni ==

From the section about GenII references in GenIII: ''The branch of Team Rocket in the Sevii Islands seems to be the same branch which attempted to revive Team Rocket during Generation II, with plans to use magnetic waves to evolve Pokémon. '''Their lead scientist also tells that Giovanni's child has red hair, a reference to Silver.'''''

During GenIII and GenII, it was still unconfirmed that [[Silver (game)|Silver]] was Giovanni's son. Obviously we all assumed that he was due to their relationship in the [[Silver (Special)|Special manga]], but it wasn't until the GenIV remakes that it was confirmed as part of the game's canon. Should this really be listed as a reference to a past Generation, even though it wasn't confirmed until a remake two Generations later? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Mr. Fuji

2009-10-10T18:01:57Z

Dual: /* Japanese name */

==Japanese name==
Despite my almost non-existent knowledge of the Japanese language, I can read Hiragana, and those last four letters (which are in Hiragana) do not spell Fuji, they spell Rouji (sorry, mobiles can't do macrons). Is this correct? Either the Kana or the Romanization should be changed. posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]][[Image:Ani003MS.gif]] 20:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:REALLY. But R is replaced by L in the romanji like Rukario. That means it should be Louji.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 20:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::R does not automatically become L when converting something from Katakana to Romanji. Remember, Katakana is the system used when writing a Non-Japanese word. The only time an R in Katakana will become an L is if the word that you're trying to write has an L. So, for instance, マリオ is translated as ''Mario,'' not ''Malio,'' where as ルイージ goes from ''Ruiji'' to ''Luigi''. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

still, the point is it doesn't say Fuji. posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]][[Image:Ani003MS.gif]] 20:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you asking to move the page, or change the kanji?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 20:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Kana. The third Kana (the first Hiragana) should be fu. posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]][[Image:Ani003MS.gif]] 20:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No offense, but do you have any idea what you're talking about? "フジろうじん" is his ''name'' (フジ Fuji) followed by his ''title'' (ろうじん old man).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. I'll learn katakana some day... :-) posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]][[Image:Ani003MS.gif]] 21:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Don't doubt that. Katakana is easily to learn, unlike hiragana. It took me a few days to learn Katakana but took several more days to learn hiragana. I learned kana but I am yet to learn kanji[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Fuji Sprite ==

Who ripped that Fame Checker spite for Mr. Fuji? Coz I was thinking perhaps they could do the same for Bill and Daisy Oak --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-10-10T17:44:29Z

Dual: /* Trade */

Talk:Effort values

2009-10-10T15:50:43Z

Dual: /* Your questions are probably answered here... */

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, if you know your exact IVs, it's possible to calculate your EVs, but otherwise, no. Generally, if you're training for a particular number of EVs, you keep track of it in a notepad or something. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I never bothered with EVs or IVs till now, so I didn't keep track. So what's the formula to calculate the EVs then? Also, does the formula calculate the EVs exactly, or is it just an approximate amount? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eterna City

2009-10-10T14:22:37Z

Dual: /* eterna statue */

no population yet? [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 08:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hasn't been put in, I assume... I'll check it out later on today, I've gotta sleep. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== eterna statue ==

the statue is actually neither palkia nor dialga it is actually somewhat of a mi between them . the body isn't clearly seen, the wings of palkia, arms of palkia , chest is unclear but has 4 gems , the claws of something else, the head of dialga but differently designed.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

:Adding to that, even though the statue is exactly the same in each version, the description hints the statue to be of Dialga or Palkia in their respective games. (ex. Pearl: "...birth of PAL..." Diamond: "...birth of DIA...") - [[User:Legotim|█╬▓◘ ’M █╚▓█ (ţś_łєğǿŧΐм)]] [[User talk:Legotim|spreche]] 06:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
::What's gonna happen in Platinum, then... I have to wonder. Guess we'll see in 29 days. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

:::So what is it in Platinum? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 19:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

guess we will wait until english platinum comes out.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::It's the same in Platinum as it is in Diamond and Pearl, only the plate was removed by Team Galactic so it gets no description. But if you go into the house just south of the statue and talk to the little boy there, he'll tell you what both of the inscriptions said.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Erm, the guy mentions a third inscription once existing as well. I've tried to find it, but no luck. Oh, and in Galactic HQ, there's a notebook with both inscriptions with the faded parts restored so they can be read in their entireties. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::As far as I know, the third inscription doesn't actually exist. It's simply mentioned to foreshadow Giratina's power (after bringing it up the guy says something like "if there's a time Pokémon and a space Pokémon, how could there ever be a third? It must be incredibly powerful!" etc etc).—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

In the Special manga, the statue is a total mishmash of Dialga and Palkia. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 00:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Dual, can you bring a picture of it and post it up here. thank you.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not all that great at that kind of thing, sorry. I can however, give you this [http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8224/d101pg097.jpg scan] of the image in question for you to work with. It's from Ch.346, Vs. Roserade I. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 14:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Effort values

2009-10-10T12:25:39Z

Dual: /* Your questions are probably answered here... */

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eterna City

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Dual: /* eterna statue */

Spiritomb (Pokémon)

2009-10-05T08:03:59Z

Dual: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Chatot | next=Gible|type=ghost|type2=dark| prevnum=441| nextnum=443}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Spiritomb |
jname=ミカルゲ |
tmname=Mikaruge |
image=ArtMikaruge.png |
caption=Artwork from D/P |
pron=<sc>spih-rih-''tomb''</sc> |
ndex=442 |
sdex=108 |
adex=196 |
typen=2 |
type1=Ghost |
type2=Dark |
species=Forbidden |
height-ftin=3'03" |
height-m=1.0 |
weight-lbs=238.1 |
weight-kg=108.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Indeterminate |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=30 |
evde=1|
evsd=1|
expyield=168 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127|
color=Purple |
catchrate=100 |
body=05 |
generation=4 |
footnotes=}}
'''Spiritomb''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese:]] '''ミカルゲ''' ''Mikaruge'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ghost|Dark}} Pokémon.

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==

===Physiology===
Spiritomb resembles a swirling, purple vortex with green light circling the face. It has a green mouth with a crooked expression and two green eyes shaped like half-crescents. One of the eyes has a spiral-shaped pupil. Spiritomb is attached to a light-brown stone, known as the [[Odd Keystone]], in which it was trapped after doing bad deeds. It is apparently composed of 108 separate, yet bound-together, malevolent spirits.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Spiritomb's abilities are similar to its fellow {{t|Dark}}/{{type2|Ghost}}, {{p|Sableye}}. However, Spiritomb is much stronger than Sableye both offensively and defensively, while being slightly slower. Spiritomb's movepool lacks most of Sableye's attacking options. However, Spiritomb can use {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}, {{m|Destiny Bond}}, {{m|Imprison}}, {{m|Grudge}}, and {{m|Ominous Wind}}. Like most Ghost-types, it can also use {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}.

===Behavior===
Spiritomb are extremely malevolent Pokémon. They tend to go on destructive rampages like {{p|Gyarados}}. Spiritomb tend to speak with a hive-mind tendency.

===Habitat===
Spiritomb are entrapped in [[Odd Keystone]]s and must be brought to the [[Hallowed Tower]] to be awakened. Some, as indicated in [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]], also live in caves.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Spiritomb.jpg|right|thumb|Spiritomb in the anime]]
Spiritomb appeared in ''[[DP056|The Keystone Pops!]]''. When Buizel accidentally knocked down [[Hallowed Tower]], Spiritomb emerged from the tower's [[Odd Keystone|keystone]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP056|Spiritomb|Dawn's Pokédex|Spiritomb, the Forbidden Pokémon. As punishment for its misdeeds 500 years ago, Spiritomb was sealed in the fissure of an [[Odd Keystone]].}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Spiritomb (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Mystery Dungeon 2}}: A Spiritomb is the boss of [[Sealed Ruins]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ghost
|type2=dark
|gen=4
|diamonddex=A Pokémon that was formed by 108 spirits. It is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]].
|pearldex=It was bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds 500 years ago.
|platinumdex=Its constant mischief and misdeeds resulted in it being bound to an [[Odd Keystone]] by a mysterious spell.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=ghost |
type2=dark |
gen=4 |
dprarity=[[Odd Keystone|Special]] |
dparea=[[Hallowed Tower]] on {{rt|209}} |
ptrarity=[[Odd Keystone|Special]] |
ptarea=[[Hallowed Tower]] on {{rt|209}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Ghost
|type2=Dark
|md2=[[Spacial Rift]] (B15) [[Deep Spacial Rift]] (B1-B5) [[Sky Stairway]] (1F-49F)
|ranger2=[[Chroma Ruins]] (during mission)
|scramble=[[Tower of Eternity]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=ghost |
type2=dark |
HP= 50 |
Attack= 92 |
Defense=108 |
SpAtk= 92 |
SpDef= 108 |
Speed= 35 }}

====Pokéthlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|Speed=2
|Power=4
|Technique=2
|Stamina=5
|Jump=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=Ghost|
type2=Dark|
Normal= 0 |
Fighting= 0 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 0 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
ghost=yes|
newnormal=1 |
newfighting=2 |
dark=yes|
newpsychic=1}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Spiritomb}}
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|ghost|dark|4|4|Spiritomn}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Curse|???|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Physical|40|100|30|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|7|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|13|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|25|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|31|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|37|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|43|Memento|Dark|Status|—|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|49|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|ghost|dark}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Ghost|Dark|4|4|Spiritomb}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM61]]|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM62]]|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM63]]|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM79]]|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{movelist/note|4|ghost|dark}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|ghost|dark|4|4|Spiritomb}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Gengar}} {{p|Wobbuffet}}|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}},{{p|Mismagius}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Grudge|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ralts}}, {{p|Kirlia}}, {{p|Gardevoir}}|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Weezing}}|SmokeScreen|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}} {{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}} {{p|Spiritomb}}|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Physical|40|100|30|Smart|2||'''}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|ghost|dark}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|ghost|dark|4a|4|Spiritomb}}
{{mtentry4a|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Snore|Normal|Physical|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|ghost|dark}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=ghost |
ndex=442 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-10% |
iq=G |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2=Ghost |
typeA2=Ghost |
field2=None |
field2power=- |
browser2=It warps from rock to rock. It uses a variety of attacks. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=442
|name1=Spiritomb
|type1-1=Ghost
|type2-1=Dark}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=ghost|
type2=dark|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=442|
name=Spiritomb|
}}

==Trivia==
* Spiritomb is the second Pokémon in National Dex order to have no weakness. The first is {{p|Sableye}}.
**Due to this, and the fact that Spiritomb has higher stats than Sableye, it is common for hackers to make a Spiritomb with {{a|Wonder Guard}}.
* Spiritomb has been shown {{a|Levitate|levitating}}, but cannot have the ability.
* In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pokémon Diamond]], Spiritomb's entry states that it was formed from 108 spirits. Incidentally, Spiritomb's number in the [[Sinnoh Pokédex]] is 108, its Defense and Special Defense base values are 108, and it weighs exactly 108.0 kilograms.
===Origin===
Spiritomb is based on a Jibakurei, a spirit bound to a single place. It also based on a {{wp|Buddhist}} tradition performed on {{wp|New Year's Eve}} in Japan. A bell is rung 108 times to chase away the 108 temptations in order to achieve nirvana.

Similarly, the provenance of Spiritomb probably arises from the Chinese novel, {{wp|Water Margin}}, whose opening chapter begins with the release of 108 spirits. This draws heavy parallels with the release of Spiritomb, comprised of 108 spirits according to the Pokédex, from the Odd Keystone.
====Name origin====
Spiritomb's name is derived from ''spirit'' and ''tomb''. Its Japanese name may come from 甕 ''mika'', meaning ''jar'' or ''urn'', referring to it being a container of souls; and 軽石 ''karuishi'', ''{{wp|pumice}}'', or 御影石 ''mikageishi'', {{wp|granite}}, referring to its base, the Odd Keystone.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Kryppuk - From ''Krypta'' (crypt) and ''Spuk'' (spook).
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Spiritomb
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 화강돌 ''Hwagangdol''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]]: 花岩怪

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Chatot | next=Gible|type=ghost|type2=dark| prevnum=441| nextnum=443}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Kryppuk]]
[[es:Spiritomb]]
[[fr:Spiritomb]]
[[ja:ミカルゲ]]
[[pt:Spiritomb (pokémon)]]

Talk:Spiritomb (Pokémon)

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== Level in the wild ==

What level does this pokémon appear in the wild at? I seen to be unable to find this information anywhere. (Of course, I might have just not looked hard enough...) --[[User:Tatrion|Tatrion]

It appears at the Hallowed Tower after talking to 32 people underground at level 25 (See entry for Hallowed Tower.) [[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==Two things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common==
Having weaknesses to no type is one of the things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common. Another thing Spiritomb and Sableye have in common is that they are both Dual Dark and Ghost types.
[[User:FREAKAZOID|FREAKAZOID]]
:That's the reason for their lack of weaknesses. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::Indeed. FREAKAZOID.
Jeez... People. Spiritomb/Sableye does have a weakness. To fighting, use foresight to hit ghosts with fighting, and hit it. Its supereffective.
:Naturally, it doesn't. After using Miracle Eye and Foresight doesn't count, because they aren't automatic. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

what about Kangaskhan and Miltank's "Scrappy" ability? doesn't that account for anything?

They're the only Pokémon that have no PERMANENT weakness to any type. Abilities like Scrappy and moves like Foresight are only TEMPORARY ways of giving them a weakness; without resorting to those moves/Abilities, they have no weakness. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

==Eggs Moves==
Should we add about that Spiritomb can learn {{m|Shadow Ball}} from breeding??? Since I breed the Spiritomb with my Misdreavus. And It have {{m|Shadow Ball}} and {{m|Pain Split}} as it egg moves. [[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpun]] 13:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It got Shadow Ball because Spiritomb can learn it from a TM, not because it's an Egg Move. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

== Fly? ==

So, I was doing some breeding and I bred my {{p|Drifblim}} and my Spiritomb and when Spiritomb came out of the egg, it had {{m|Fly}} as a move, along with {{m|Shadow Ball}}, {{m|Confuse Ray}}, and {{m|Ominous Wind}}. Even after that, I hatched more Spiritomb eggs and they all had Fly as a move. Drifblim was the father and knew Fly, along with Shadow Ball and Ominous Wind. Spiritomb of course was the mother, with Shadow Ball, Ominous Wind, Silver Wind, and Dark Pulse. Does anyone know why? --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's odd...I've never seen that before. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::I don't have Wi-fi or that stuff to trade to someone for proof. But one of their detail screens has this information: a Timid Nature, Mischievous characteristic, Fly, Shadow Ball, Confuse Ray, and Ominous Wind, egg received August 30, hatched August 31st, female, hatched at Lv 1 at Solaceon Town. I don't have an Action Replay or Gameshark so I know it wasn't a move modifier. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll try that myself and see what happens. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Spiritomb/Rotom/Lucario/etc. ==

It varies from person to person, but I know some hardcore Pokémon fans who claim that rare 'semi-Legendaries' like Lucario and Rotom should be given some special classification. Has this ever been a consideration (I'm neutral on the issue itself)? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]

== Its possible origin ==

It might base on one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature, Water Margin (traditional Chinese: 水滸傳; simplified Chinese: 水浒传; pinyin: Shuǐhǔ Zhuàn) (also Outlaws of the Marsh, All Men Are Brothers or The Marshes of Mount Liang).
Its opening episode is the release of '''the 108 spirits'''.
For knowing more info, here is for you:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin English Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin]

[http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/水浒传 Chinese Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin]

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== Sucker Punch? ==

I just noticed this, but how can it use that move when it has no apparent limbs?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 20:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Look at the Japanese name... It has nothing to do with punching. It's just a figure of speech. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== 108 and Legion ==

''"In Pokémon Diamond, Spiritomb's entry states that it was formed from 108 spirits. Incidentally, Spiritomb's number in the Sinnoh Pokédex is 108, its Defense and Special Defense base values are 108, and it weighs exactly 108.0 kilograms."''
This bit of trivia makes it sound like it's all a coincidence, but that's highly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29#In_Eastern_religions_.26_traditions unlikely]. Does anyone else think this bit should be changed to reflect the obvious references here?

Also, I'm going to take down the part about the Legion demon being a possible inspiration for Legion, since I really doubt that Nintendo would intentionally make a Pokemon based on a demon, especially considering all the heat they get simply from ''perceived'' [[Pokémon controversy|Satanism]]. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 08:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Powerhouse Pokémon/Archive 1

2009-10-02T04:41:08Z

Dual: /* Available only as their first form. */

*What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[Image:Ani491MS.gif]][[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]][[Image:Ani000MS.gif]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']][[Image:Cal.png|30px 30px]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 224

2009-09-10T05:46:51Z

Dual: /* Razor Claw in Platinum */ new section

== Image??? ==

I'm pretty sure that the image on this page is ''not'' showing the actual location of Route 224...does anybody have an accurate shot?
:The map we have there now is actually a stand-in, as it has been for some time... we're certainly getting to it... but another user was doing them for Sinnoh and seems to have stopped. We'll get to it soon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::It's been over six months and no one has corrected the image yet.... -Lord Hyren 22:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== About the white rock ==

I know that most of you have noted that [[Professor Oak]] says that it has a counterpart in [[Kanto]]. Well, I think it can be added later on a [[Johto]] [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes|remake]]. Is it possible to be referencing the [[Navel Rock]]? Or maybe was an error (like happened in Emerald, where [[Steven Stone|Steven]] mentions in [[Meteor Falls]] something about the encounter in [[Sootopolis City|Sootopolis]] with the player, which doesn't happen in that game). I mean an error, because it is possible too, that the referenced rock is the one in [[Mossdeep City]], which is in [[Hoenn]]. What do you think? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 04:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

==Beautifly==
In my Diamond & Pearl strategy guide, it says that Route 224 is the only place players of Pearl can find a wild Beautifly, and if I'm not mistaken, I might have encountered one there... I'll check my book and then post the exact text (or, if I'm wrong, I'll say so). [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 18:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:Nope. Cant catch wild beautifly[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:@Palkiajosh, I don't know if there are etiquette rules for this but I have a beautifly I could trade over. I'm currently going mad too over version exclusives since all my friends that got pokemon full states away--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

:@DCM, Just found a beautifly in my Pearl Version. Maybe it has a 1% encounter rate?--[[User:JSFighter|JSFighter]] 03:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Entrance map? ==

I'm sure that most fans would like a picture showing where the R224 entrance is, anyone up for finding it?

I'd love to, but I recently fried my game with the surf glitch.--[[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 17:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Razor Claw in Platinum ==

Can a Razor Claw really be found here in Platinum? I just scoured the whole area looking for one, but I couldn't find it at all, even with the Dowsing Machine. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Plate

2009-09-07T16:30:07Z

Dual: /* Shards */

== Suggestion? ==

Perhaps this page should include the text that's inscribed on the back of the plates? Would be nice to have that compiled. -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 17:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Placement of this page. ==
I wasn't really sure where to put this information, so I just stuck it in a page of it's own for now. There didn't seem to be any clear place to put it, but if one comes up, feel free to merge. I also don't know the location of the Earth Plate - if anyone else knows, adding it would be funky.--[[User:Doctor Oak|Doctor Oak]] 07:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Engravings ==

Can we really know that's the right order? Besides the Dialga/Palkia/lake trio parts being together, it's pretty nonsensical.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Let's put each plate with its description instead... looks better and we don't have to care for the order. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I think we should try a sandbox version first, because it looks like I got a different Draco Plate quote than you. I'll check my notes again, but I am 90% certain my Draco Plate talked about "The Original One breathed alone".
:::Has anyone else gotten the plates with different quotes than was listed in the comments? Maybe the engravings are based on the order you pick them up, and not the plates themselves.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the draco plate was the one that said:
Three beings were born to bind time and space."
But I could be wrong, as i don't have any notes.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure they go in the order that you find them. 1st you find has the first message, second has the second, etc. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:And do they repeat for the second lot of eight? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::For the correct order, we could just wait until the event {{p|Arceus}} is avaliable and use it in Platinum to get the extra book in the Canalave Library. And the quotes seem to not be plate-specific.--[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]] ([[User:PhoenixGraphix#{{ucfirst:Daily (bleh)}}|bl]][[Special:Random|eh]]) 12:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== ??? Plate ==

My friend has a "Crystal Plate" and he was able to make his Arceus into the ???-type Arceus. He got it from his friend's glitched game. [[Image:Ani380MS.gif]]'''[[Latias (Pokémon)|Yin]][[Latios (Pokémon)|Yang]][[User:Yinyang1195|1195]]'''[[Image:Ani381MS.gif]] 20:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Do you have proof? We're talking screenshots or videos here. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

::Sigh... no "Crystal Plate" or something was found inside the game's coding... too bad. ???-Type Arceus will never appear. Is it so difficult to understand? It was only placed in case of hacking, so the game would not crash. If it will ever appear in game it will be useless, cause it won't have weaknesses nor resistances nor get STAB for attacks. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, I made a mistake. He said "Cursed Plate" and his "friend" that supposedly had it lies a lot. It was probably a lie. Can someone check? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Tell your friend that the sprite of ???-Type Arceus has the same function of the in-battle description (and contest effects) of {{m|Struggle}}... it is inaccessible if you don't hack your game, 'cause struggle cannot be learned by ANY Pokémon. But imagine if a Pokémon with Struggle goes into a contest and if it doesn't have description nor contest-effect it will be cathastrophic LOL xD. Same for ???-Type Arceus: if Arceus type is changed from Normal to ??? and you send it into battle and if there wasn't a sprite... you surely got it ;). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Regigigas? ==

How do we know that that's what "defeated giants" means?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that had me curious too. I don't recall anything in-game that ever mentioned it, and the only way that it could really make any sense is if it was the inscription on the Normal Plate, but seeing as how there ''isn't'' a Normal Plate, and the inscriptions aren't specific to the individual plates, that kind of goes out the window. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm new, so I'm not sure how to do this really. If I put this in the wrong place, I'm sorry but I've got Pokemon Diamond Version. I can't remember where, but it's somewhere hard to get to but I found a plate called the "Mysterious Plate" but before I checked the plates on Bulbapedia, thought it was an average type plate. If I ever find it again, I'll try to take a picture somehow from my DS but I swear I'm not joking or lying about this. craigybabyxo, 14:01 (GMT)
:I got a better idea... show me the part of the coding where the "Mysterious Plate" is and I'll believe you. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::While I think the guy posting about a "Mysterious Plate" is just making it up, requiring people to post coding to support claims isn't a good policy. I mean, it's great if they have it, but not all of us are tech-savy enough to pull up that kind of thing. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changing a link? ==

Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Does this third one mean Giratina? Because it cannot be the lake trio, as the link claims, because they created the spirit. I think this link should be changed into one that navigates too the "dragon trio" page, although i don't really want to take a side in that true or false row until i see proof. "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One." This could mean that while Dialga and Palkia created time and space, Giratina helps to hold it together. The distortion world could be glue, oh hang on, what a stupid suggestion--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

According to Giratina and the Sky Warrior the Reverse World (anime version of the Distortion World) says that one can't survive with out the other... I think. [[User:Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User Talk:Vespitomb|tomb>]] 19:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stone Plate ==

Where do you find the Stone Plate in Platinum?
My little brother is looking for it, and on here it just says Mt. Coronet (which is a very big place) and it has D/P next to it, meaning Diamond and Pearl, so where do you find it in Platinum? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 13:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you also get it at Mr. Coronet in Platinum, however I may be wrong, so don't take my word for it. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 13:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::It says DP only in the actual Mt Coronet article, thanks for the help though Takoto [[User:Max King|Max King]] 23:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::The Stone plate is found hidden in the rock in the room above the waterfall (accessed from the first peak area).--[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]] ([[User:PhoenixGraphix#{{ucfirst:Daily (bleh)}}|bl]][[Special:Random|eh]]) 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shards ==

Is there anything that indicates that the shards referenced in the Plate inscriptions is the same as the [[Shards]] items? I know that in the Underground, they look a bit like broken Plates, but I'd chalk that up to the designers simply altering the existing Plate sprites to save the time of making a new sprite from scratch. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:It said that it's Shards became the plates. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 18:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::I realize that, but it's not like shards is a very specific term. The word "shard" simply means a piece of a greater whole. In the case of the inscription, it seems to be describing shards of the universe. Seeing as how the Shards items were introduced in GenIII, and that there are only four different types of shards instead of sixteen, it seems unlikely to me that they're the same thing as the shards being referred to by the inscription. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:This article doesn't say that the plates were made of shards though, it just links to it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 18:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but by having the word "shards" from the Plate inscriptions link to the [[Shards]] article, it implies that Plates are made from Shards. Unless there's some evidence to support that claim, (Something a little more substantial then the Shards' Underground sprite, I'd hope.) the link should be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 16:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-09-07T16:24:38Z

Dual: /* Gender */

I do wonder. Should we have the page at Gizamimi Pichu, since that's the "official" name used in the calendars and such? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably. Is it ever 'officially' called ''Notched-ear Pichu''??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
---This is true but I think it would make the page impossible to find. Most people probably know it as Notched-Ear Pichu as opposed to Gizamimi Pichu. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why redirects were created. (I knew they would come to good use sometime!!!) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::True. Perhaps this page should say "Notched-Ear Pichu, known in official materials as Gizamimi Pichu..."? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Voice actor ==

It needs to be Shōko Nakagawa with the accent mark. "Shoko Nakagawa" links to a nonexistant page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not any more it doesn't. But still a fix would be nice oh kind admins. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ability ==

When was the ability show/confirmed? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 00:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno either. But I guess it's from the Japanese movie site. I can't ready Japanese. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Can we get somebody who CAN read Japanese check the site? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 02:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Does Pichu have any other ability I'm not aware of. I find it odd that when an anime Pokemon only has one ability, its not confirmed, I realize that a Pokemon can have 2 abilities, but I don't buy that since it goes along the gender differences. A certain Pokemon had Ability A prior to Generation X. And there's no conflicting information (albeit speculative) that a Pokemon in the anime can't have both abilities, like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't have another ability in the games, but why can't the anime give it a different one? A new anime-exclusive one? Why can't the anime say only certain Pokémon have an ability, and others don't? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason why we don't add Blaze as Ash's Charizard's ability, despite being the only ability Fire starters can have. It has yet to be shown or confirmed by somebody. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly; that's why I think we should
a) Confirm Pichu's ability with a source
b) Remove it. {{unsigned|The Dark Fiddler}} 11:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Nobody? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I took so long. Link me.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==
::It is confirmed that little Notchie is shiny, though. *Leads all to Bulbanews*--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No, it's not Shiny. The Event Pichu is shiny. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Of which is directly based off of Notchie.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because the event Pichu is shiny doesn't mean that the Pichu itself is. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: No the only reason why the event Pichu is shiny is because there's no ear-notched Pichu programmed into the game. It being shiny was the only thing they could've done to make it stand out compared to other Pichu's. Notched Ear Pichu however is still normal. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::It looks like that in the preview of the newer ending, there's a Pikachu-colored Pichu appearing alongside Notch-eared Pichu. So they are infact separete entities [[User:PDL|PDL]] 13:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Left vs. Right ==
In the article, it says it's her right ear that is notched, but that is her left ear. {{unsigned|Wikifixer}}
:Someone epic failed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu in Ending ==
Too lazy to make a new section, but apparently, she is the fixation of the fourth ending. More info's on Bulbanews. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
: It was hard to type 4 equal signs? O.o Anyways, we know this, but other than mentioning it, there isn't anything we can do, it's just speculation that Notched-ear will become a part of the main cast until then. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 11:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes. And we need an admin to put that factoid in there, as the page is protected from vandals atm. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==
Instead of calling him Notched-ear Pichu,
Just call him by his Japanese name: Gizamimi Pichu.
It's Better then Notched-ear Pichu.
[[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]09:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

But its better. [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]] [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:...do you have a better reason? A less colossally vague reason?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Also it's a girl. But I do wonder about calling it Gizamimi as well, since that's on official stuff... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Because we wouldn't call [[Barry|Jun]] "Barry" until [[DP101]] was released even though it was beyond obvious. Are we so sure about Gizamimi's official title 3 months before even the Japanese movie is released? I'm not really picky, I don't mind what we call it (I'll still call it Gizamimi^^) but if you want an argument for Gizamimi Pichu, there it is. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pichu? ==

I'm hearing everywhere about a picture of a shiny pichu, the notch-eared pichu, and pikachu. Where is this image? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:This is not something to be posted here. Go to your talk. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wild ==

It's obviously not a trainer's Pichu,It's obviously wild.
If it were a trainer's pokemon they would already reveal him or her. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the current location should be [[Michīna]]. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Not a Biggie, But . . . ==

Under the picture, the caption says Notched ear Pichu, but the rest of the article and the article title calls it the "Notched-ear Pichu". Note the missing hyphen. I mean, it's not like it's a big deal, but it's just something that's bugging me is all. >.> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 21:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset and Ability ==

Not sure if this info is out, but as revealed in Pokemon Sunday today:
*Charge
*Volt Tackle
*Endeavor
*Endure
*Holding: Everstone
--[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 23:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's the moveset of the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009|event ''Pikachu-colored Pichu'']] in the games, not Notched-ear Pichu. And games=/=anime, so that's not needed. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Game Purpose ==

The recent CoroCoro scan for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG/SS]] has Notchy interacting with the [[Alternate Coloration|Pikachu Colored]] {{p|Pichu}} owned by Gold. Should we add this to the article that it's at least ''involved'' in the games? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:According to [http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pichu.shtml], the PCP event in Ilex Forest gives the player Notchie. Should this be added? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why doesn't anyone make a Sprite for Gizamimi (Notched-Ear) Pichu. If they can make a Sparky (Ritchie's Pikachu) can't anyone do this? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::There is no need for such a sprite because it has no where to go. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Why does the article say Notched-ear Pichu is female? It's obviously male, or else it would have a notch in its tail. --[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's Pikachu. Pichu don't have gender differences. Further, its [[Get Fired up, Notched-ear Pichu!|theme song]] declares it to be a girl. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::I know that it's theme song declares it as a girl but gender has changed from the original version to the English dub frequently. Am I wrong? [[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Even if it ''is'' changed when it get's dubbed, that hasn't happened yet. So officially, NE Pichu is still female. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 16:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Wild? ==

From the new screen shots, you see Notched-Ear Pichu following behind the player. This might hint that it's been captured, for only captured Pokémon can follow the player. And because it was captured, it means that it is was a wild Pokémon.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== What is she? ==

Is she a game character,put into the anime like many other characters,or an anime character made canon in the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure she's an anime character put into the games because she was revealed to be in the anime before HG/SS.--[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:: But,a lot of things are revealed in the anime before they are revealed in the games..[[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== pikachu? ==

I this Pichu were to evolved then the Pikachu would not be notch eared right? So maybe there was a notched eared pikachu programmed into HGSS? {{u|Laxafett}} 19:37,18 June 2009(UTC)
:We already know that she has a completely unique sprite, so it's possible that, to the game, this may act as a completely different species. ...or maybe the Pikachu gets a notched ear. We'll have to wait and see.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::They may not allow it to evolve like the pikachu in pokemon yellow. And shouldnt this be in the forums. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime or Manga? ==

Shouldn't the section be "In the Manga" instead of "In the Anime"? It talks about the manga adaptation of the movie. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
: I noticed this aswell, but it's protected. *crai* It seems like a bit of a trivial thing to get an admin in to change though. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 17:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Not only that, it was also referred to as "Notch-Eared Pichu". '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::: [[gender|It]] was probably listed as "In the {{tt|[[Anime]]|stupid show that we watch for no apparent reason}}" because {{tt|some people|A.K.A. idiots/speculators/policy ignorers}} [[Villa decoration|figure]] [[gender|it]] {[m|Will-O-Wisp|will}} {{m|Role Play|play}} {{p|Unown|a}} {{p|Ditto|similar}} {{m|rollout|role}} in the {{tt|actual movie.|Why can't it debut in America sooner?}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Because all that linking really was necessary... fixed, Kev. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I was bored. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
== In the game ==

This special pichu has a different sprite, not just the notched ear but its pose, than a regular pichu.

[[User:050294|050294]] 04:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sprites change between games, dude. It's just Pichu's HGSS sprite. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think she means it's different from other Pichus in the same game.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 07:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::: [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:NEPHelpingHand.jpg Indeed it does] '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 18:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Evolution and Trading ==

It has been confirmed by CoroCoro that the Notched-Ear Pichu in HGSS cannot be traded and also is unable to evolve. I think this should be added to the article. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 16:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:I was going to say you could add it but the article is protected...so I added it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Role in the Movie ==

"she gives Damos the keys to his cell." Is that all? I mean, in the previews didn't they say that she'd have a major role in the story? That doesn't sound very major to me. That sounds more like a minor cameo.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 18:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Too many images ==

Is it really necessary to have 5486179 pictures of Notched-ear Pichu in its article? '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 04:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its only three, that's not a lot.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::It used to be 4, I took it out because there was already a good one to represent the "Game" section But still, it's a small article, only two would be good enough. But well, asking for sugestions... '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 05:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Or we could make the article bigger!(Highly doubt it) Or take one picture out, whatever floats your boat.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::::There's plenty of room for all the images there. Four is by no means too many; they display the Pichu in the different canons. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== 5 moves? ==

Pichu's move list shows 5 diff. moves she can learn. Shouldn't there only be 4? [[User:abcboy|Abcboy]]☆[[User talk:Abcboy|talk]] 14:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:This is the anime, which is way different from the games so there can be 5 6 and maybe even 33 [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::The only move list in this article is from the games, and displays four moves. Volt Tackle, Pain Split, Swagger, and Helping Hand. I think you've misread this. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should {{tt|I|or anyone else}} ==

Should someone upload the sprite of Notchy from HGSS, or are we waitin for higher-quality Images to be released? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:We're waiting on the quality. Currently we can only rip it from screenshots which aren't at full DS screen resolution. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Plate

2009-09-06T18:33:57Z

Dual:

Talk:Plate

2009-09-06T18:22:53Z

Dual: /* Shards */ new section

Talk:Plate

2009-09-06T18:13:25Z

Dual: /* Regigigas? */

Talk:Pokédex

2009-09-06T05:10:05Z

Dual: /* Sinnoh Dex in the Anime */

There should be something about the real-life Pokedex. [[User:TheListUpdater|TheListUpdater]] 20:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:You mean the toy ones? Good idea.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 04:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
== FireRed entries for Kanto Pokémon? ==

Am I correct in assuming, as LeafGreen got the R/B entries, that FR's entries were originally in Green? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, wait, answered myself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Nest area colors and patterns? ==

I noticed that there were different ways of highlighting nesting areas (at least in D/P). For example, Chansey's nesting area shows Routes 209 and 210 as square, cyan, and glowing, but the Trophy Garden as red, round, and flashing. Does anyone have any knowledge about what each of these mean specifically?

:It means the size of the area. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 23:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Pokedex contradictions ==

There are a lot of Pokedex entries that are not fulfilled when certain moves are used in battle against it, like Hypno not making any Pokemon who sees it or uses Mean Look on it or wakes up from sleep fall asleep. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 23:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:If everything the Pokédex said were true, the games would probably suck. Arceus should just be able to make its opponent simply ''not exist anymore''. This is just a case of [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation.]--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Im sorry, but that would be epic.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::If they wanted to make the game better by having contradictions, then what was the point in even making those Dex entries? I mean, wouldn't it be easier if they didn't have entries? or at least make them more compatable with gameplay? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::::For those people who dont play the games competitively or even use a Pedia to look up this stuff. CASUAL GAMERS LIKE TO READ. sorry for the caps--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Models... ==

It seems that the TCG has given these things model numbers since the start... what ought we do about that, as far as mentioning it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:The issue is that <s>the GSC Pokédex wasn't given a model number, and</s> the RSE Pokédex wasn't even featured. Perhaps mention the model numbers straight after naming the Pokédex number, as such:
:*The first version of the Pokédex (model number HANDY505)...
:*The second Pokédex (model number HANDY808...
:*The fourth Pokédex (model number HANDY909)...
:*The fifth Pokédex (model number HANDY910is)... (Unsure about what to do with the sixth Pokédex, as it's still the same model, just new software, it seems)
:And link to the relevant TCG page for the model? [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 19:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::I wouldn't doubt that the model number appears SOMEWHERE in the games... it has to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, if model numbers are mentioned in the TCG, surely they must have been mentioned in either the games or the anime. I don't recall the TCG ever having been a primary source for something like that. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 19:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Pokédex model numbers are never mentioned in any English game pre‐Ruby and Sapphire; can’t comment for anything from GBA onward, but i think that’s highly unlikely as well. I suspect this is just a case of TCG canon—it ''is'' pretty cool though. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==Dex Ratings==

You know, they really should say what Prof. Oak says when you got a certain number of Pokemon. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 17:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== New johto Dex ==

should we add info on the new Johto Dex? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 14:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sure, if we have enough to make something about it. *hasn't been paying attention to the news lately* '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a pic of the new Johto Dex's but don't know how to edit it in the program.

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixels_.png

-[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 01:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you want to do, and in what program? Show the left half of the page, or only the top left with the two versions of the new Dex? Because if we get it so that it only shows the Dex's, it would... only show what the two Dex's look like. If we did the whole left half of the page, it would show part of what it can do. Unless what's underneath them has nothing to do with them{{tt|...|yay for not speaking Japanese...}} '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::While reading that I thought of something. It ended up working out so here it all is:

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixe-4.png

Do we want all of that or just the dex's? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Just the Dex's -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/12_scan1pngPNGImage2000x1531pixe-1.png

:::That's what I was asking about. Thanks. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==PMC Pokédex==
Could someone get a screenshot of the Pokédex seen in [[AG087|Crazy as a Lunatone]]? It looks like a GameBoy Advance SP and is used by PMC. I reckon it deserves a mention? It's probably a middleman between the Hoenn Dex and the Neo Kanto Dex - or an alternate Neo Kanto Dex. [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 00:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can I add this? ==

In the Sinnoh Dex, where it tells you the location of the Pokémon, that the map is a little off.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 00:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

:Meaning? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well the map is a little off, Snowpoint is really off to me, but I guess its only opinion so never mind.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Dex in the Anime ==

"The anime version lacks the dial on the side."

If you look closely at the anime screenshot, it's pretty clear that the "dial" is simply pushed into the side of the Dex. It probably slides out when the trainer wants to use it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:That is the scanner that you can use to check what moves a Pokémon has while it's in the Poké Ball. That's what Paul uses for the first few Pokémon he's seen catching, such as the Starly, {{TP|Paul|Ursaring}}, and Stantler. That's what the "This Pokédex, as shown in the anime by Paul, is able to scan a Poké Ball to see what moves the Pokémon inside it can use." quote is about. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, I must have missed that episode. Though, if that's really the case, could someone include a screenshot of the exposed scanner so we can have a proper comparison of the anime dex to the game dex? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokédex

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Talk:Pokémon breeding

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Dual: /* Hatched Genders */ new section

OOps. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:45, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should this be listed under Pokémon Breeding or simply Breeding? -[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Probably Poke breeding with a redirect from "breeding"

A picture says more than tousand words

== Strange Breeding: How did these things happen? ==

A couple of strange things happened to me when I was breeding a male Blaziken with a female Phanpy (which is strange enough in itself, I guess)
#When the egg hatched, the Phanpy knew Rock Smash. This shouldn't have been able to happen because I had previously deleted Rock Smash from Blaziken via the Move Deleter guy.
#The Phanpy hatched holding a PP Up! Needless to say, I was thrilled, but is there any reason for this occurance? Is it random or predictable?
Thanks a lot →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don;t know about the first, but I believe the second is because of Phanphy's ability "Pickup".--[[User:Skully Collins|Skully Collins]] 08:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the PP Up is definetly a result of the pick-up. As for the rock smash, no clue. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 02:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Abilities ==
I have seen, and the D/P Nintendo power guide states that, you can pass on abilities via breeding. This would be important to note, wouldn't it? It seems like something that big should be listed. Especially when you consider the possibilities! (I personally love my wonder-guarded sableye) Also, I think this should possibly be noted in the "chain breeding" section as well.
--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

True. Good eye. You may place it in the article in the appropriate place. And don't forget your sig or people won't know who you are.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 06:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No! Abilities are NOT PASSED ON. By Abilities they meant Natures. Go on, try it. ABILITIES CANNOT BE PASSED ON. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Plus, the only Pokémon with Wonder Guard can't breed with anything but Ditto, so it'd never pass it on to Sableye. If you got that thing in a trade, it's hacked, man. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Crap, thanks for pointing that out. Dang... But on another note, you CAN pass abilities legitimately, but I misread: they are passed along by the mother, so it would stay in the proper species. (the example given in NP's guide is 2 bibarel breed. Mother has Simple, father has Unaware, so offspring is a Bidoof with Simple.) So I was halfway right, but again, thanks for poiinting that out. I guess I ought to not use it much then, huh?--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Tauros & Miltank ==

Can anybody confirm for certain that their eggs are supposed to be 50% Tauros and 50% Miltank? I've personally hatched 11 eggs from a Tauros and a Ditto, and all of them were Tauros, which means I must be exceptionally unlucky if half of them are supposed to be Miltank. FYI, I'm playing Diamond where Miltank are rarer than Tauros (the opposite is true in Pearl). I thought it would be easier to breed a Miltank than catch one. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the 50-50 chance thing is only if you breed a Miltank with Ditto; all of Tauros's kids with Ditto will be Tauros. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 22:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

:There is no way in any of the games for Tauros to hatch from a Miltank egg, or for Miltank to hatch from a Tauros egg. MorningStar edited this page with a note indicating otherwise as early as in March 2006, which is to say without knowledge of Diamond and Pearl. I believe no one bothered to fix it then due to the possibility of that holding true in the upcoming games, and since their release everyone has assumed the statement to be true because it was on the page so early on. Regardless of the reason, this note should have long been removed; it is easy to verify that even when breeding Miltank and Tauros ''together'' in the latest games, the product is still always a Miltank. I have done so for the sake of being on the safe side. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

::I've changed this section of the page. I can confirm empirically (hatched 41 eggs: 28 from a Miltank + Ditto, 13 from a Miltank + various Ground-group Pokes) that you cannot hatch a Tauros from a Miltank egg in Pokemon Pearl, and I assume the same goes for Diamond; based on Unown Lord's comments I am assuming this applies to all the games. If it turns out you can, then feel free to revert the page - I haven't hacked the code, this is entirely based on testing, so it's possibly that I was ''extremely'' unlucky and happened to get 41 eggs that all hatched Miltank purely by chance, but I think that's unlikely.

::The only sources I can find online that support the Miltank/Tauros breeding line are either questionable (user FAQs on the Marriland forum that contain other errors) or based on this site. [[User:Castorquinn|Castorquinn]] 22:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ditto + Ditto? ==

Someone settle something for me: Can you breed Ditto with Ditto? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

No. I tried. - [[User:MacGyver|MacGyver]]

Thanks. *notices the Discussion page for Ditto and wonders why he didn't look there in the first place*. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

== Technical Question ==

Do the natures of the parents make any difference on whether or not they will produce an egg? I'm trying to get my Dragonite to give Outrage to a new Gible, and the old man in Solaceon says they don't like eachother at all... Obviously that's not good, but why, and what can I do to change it?
:At all? ..are you sure you're breeding a Dragonite with a <s>complete haxxmacheen</s> Garchomp? Cause I do believeth that Garchomp and Dragonite can breed. o_o; {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::Not at all? You sure? Pretty much always when they're in the same egg group, they'll breed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I have had similar problems. Sometimes I always make sure to check the Egg Groups before I attempt breeding, but every once in a while, the Daycare Man in Diamond tells me that they dislike each other. (oops, forgot to sign) --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem at all, peeps! If 'They don't like each other very much' it doesn't matter! AS long as they don't totally despise each other that's okay. I tried Ditto with my Lucario (TTE said it would work) and it worked altough they didn't like each other! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 09:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::Why do I feel compelled to respond to this comment by saying "Rape!"[[User:Mystrich|Mystrich]] 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The message “They don´t seem to like each other much.” indicates that the Pokémon are of different species but have the same trainer IDs, which means that out of all breedable Pokémon pairs, they have the lowest chance of producing an egg. This lower chance translates to a statistically longer period of waiting until the Daycare man hands you the egg, but nothing beyond that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 10:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it means that it's sort of like when two people pretend to hate each other but they really love each other but don't know it themselves. Eventually they find what they have in common and fall in love. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
== Question ==

"However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, the egg may hatch into either the male or female species:

*[[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♀]] and [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♂]]
*[[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]] and [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]]"

Would this also be true in the case of Tauros and Miltank? Could a Miltank have an egg containing Tauros? Just asking cause it's not listed in the article. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 10:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it be true to say that only the female can lay and egg that could be either? I tried breeding a Nidoran♂ with a Ditto to get a [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|♀]] but I just ended up with a dozen [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|♂]]s. I did succesfully get a [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]] from an [[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]].
Oh, and [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros]] and [[Miltank (Pokémon)|Miltank]] are also linked.. [[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland Mudkip]] ☆{{MS|001|Bulbasaur}} 11:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

:Your first assertion is correct, and has thus been added to the page. As noted in a paragraph above by myself, Tauros and Miltank are simply not linked. It seems to me that the disillusion of not having a calf-like Pokémon as a pre-evolution to both, has caused a multitude of fans to believe in some fabricated indication that one is forthcoming. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 06:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== TMs ==

Can you pass down TM moves that weren't learned by TM? I'm going to breed my male Banette with Will-O-Wisp (Learned naturally) with a female Drifloon, and I'm wondering if it'll pass down Will-O-Wisp... {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 20:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yep. It's what I do so as to save TMs from being used. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Is this encyclopedia in American English or Commonwealth English? Becuase the most recent edit was from "travelling" to "traveling", or Commonwealth to American.

Yea, we're American (well, I think. Ask and admin. I'm pretty sure we're American English). --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 12:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I as actually gonna do something else on the page after editing that (since Firefox does the red line under words that aren't in its dictionary), but I got distracted by something else and just decided "eh."
:But really, Bulbapedia's got contributors from all over. Though, well, American spelling's used in the games throughout their English release, as far as I know. They don't go through all the text changing the spelling of a few words, and I certainly didn't intend for my edit to be just that. It was more just "hey, look, red line. Fix that and... um... what else was I gonna do?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Inbreeding ==

What is it? {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|11:19 13 Mar 2008}}}'''
:...Don't ask. You don't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Inbreeding is when closely related individuals mate and have children. It's very taboo in human culture but animal breeders do this with certain breeds of an animal, like dogs. It's not a good idea for people inbreed because recessive genes could be more pronounced and genetic defects can occur. - PDL
:Told ya you didn't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
::The PRima Games guide states that inbreeding is impossible in Emerald. Proves that you can't trust Prima. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:12 5 Sep 2008'''''

== Uhh yeah ==

Uhm. This is weird, but i've had two weird things happen with breeding that make little sense. Like, first, this happened today, i put my Shieldon and Cranidos in the day-care (one female, the other male) and the old man said "These two prefer too play with other Pokémon" and i like, i came back too get them and they'd had an egg, and last time i checked, "They prefer too play with other Pokémon" meant they weren't going too have an egg (i took the egg anyway). Uhm, the second thing, which is really weird, happened a few months ago on my Pokémon Emerald, i put my male Charizard and male Blaziken in the Daycare (cos i'm too lazy too train them myself) ...and they had an egg |: Last time i checked, Guy + Guy does not = baby/egg |: I'm 100% sure they we're both male. I was pretty sure it was just a glitch in the game, but i was wondering if it's happened too anyone else? (also, the egg was a normal Torchic, normal stats, normal moves, nothing weird/glitch-y about it)

~ [[user:takoto|Takoto]]

Wow... That's really weird [[User:Darkmaster0|Darkmaster]][[User talk:Darkmaster0|0]]

: Obviously {{MS|006|Charizard}} and {{MS|257|Blaziken}} adopted. I guess they don't mind adoption by same-sex couples in Sinnoh. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 00:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::The thing that happened with Charizard and Blaziken happened on Emerald (: If they adopted, where did they adopt from? O: [[user:Takoto|Takoto]]

|: It happened, again, only this time; Leafgreen. Someone please tell me that Umbreon and Caterpie are somehow in the same egg group. Scratch what i said earlier, I'm almost sure that the Blaziken/Charizard thing happened on LeafGreen, not Emerald |: *totally remembered after i posted that xD Uh soooo yeah, i think the Breeding's glitch'd up in my LeafGreen...Well, it wasn't even originally mine, it was my Cousins |: But I'm sure he didn't cheat or anything too make every Pokémon breed with every other Pokémon. Plus i did some test; i tried too breed some Pokémon and they didn't breed, the Legendaries didn't (I actually wanted a level 5 Mewtwo xD at one point) But yeah \: Is my games breeding system glitched up or is it just....oddities? [[User:Takoto|Takoto]] 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::I would say you somehow glitched your game. Been using AR/GS/whatever? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::*Shake head* I've never used Action reply or Game shark on my Leafgreen...

==Length of time to breed==
After getting frustrated by the time it took to breed on my old silver version, I looked around for information on how long it takes two pokemon to have an egg, and I found [http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/rossos_pokemon/breeding.html this site]. This is information I think bulbapedia needs. The problem is, I don't have any other sources on it, it doesn't say if the formula holds true for later Gens as well, and the author admits that his numbers are estimates. Does anyone know anything about this topic? [[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 22:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Female Eevees ==

Hi I've tried to breed my Eevee several times but everytime time I do I get male Eevees and I kinda wanna have a female one, I was wondering if there's any way to force an egg to hatch into a female pokemon r something, I've tried hatching it in Foarama town like I read somewhere but that didnt work..
Having said that I did get a female Eevee once but it was very random
:12.5% chance of getting female Eevee. You were just unlucky. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:14 5 Sep 2008'''''

== Multiple eggs ==

I've been hatching several eggs at a time (getting three eggs, storing the parents, and then running up and down), and the number of steps in between hatches is always a multiple of 255, with 510 as the minimum (recent numbers are 510 and 1275). The steps between picking up the eggs are as low as 256, and I was carrying around Camerupt with Magma Armor. The numbers don't make sense unless there's some delay added to the other eggs when picking up eggs or hatching them, or some other weird hidden factor. Game is Pearl, by the way, and I've been using a Mach Bike. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tutored moves ==

Can they be passed on to children like [[TM]] moves? I know I tried it once, but I can't remember the result. Anybody know for certain? Either way, whether it works or not, it should probably be mentioned in this article or [[move tutor]] (or both). [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 13:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think they can unless they're egg moves (Outrage from Salamence to baby Charmander) or shared by both father and child, the child's in its level-up set, while the mother also knows it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

==POSSIBLE SPADING SOLUTION!!!==

I don't know, but according to Smogon, there's some sort of step counter that resets at 255. Follow this link for more info. http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/breeding_guide_part2#steps_required
[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Wow. I'm surprised that Smogon has a guide on stuff that has nothing to do with battling, and it has stuff that this wiki doesn't have. Anyway, I'll read it and try to incorporate it into this page.
:What's the policy on crediting, anyway? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 01:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

On this page, it says that Nidorina and Nidoqueen can't be breed whatsoever, but [[No eggs (egg group)#Trivia|here]] it says that they can. Which one is true? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 19:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You misread the trivia, it says that "for some reason their male counterparts can", which, of course, does not make sense. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 23:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny breeding ==

Hey, I got a shiny male Tentacruel, and a female Corsola, the shine-effect will be given to the baby Corsola? 
[[User:Homie|Homie]] 15:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not unless you're playing Gold/Silver, in which case there would be a higher chance of shininess. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Everstone ==

Can we punt/delete the Gen IV sentence that says that the Everstone trick doesn't work anymore? It still does and I've done it several times. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 20:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure? Notice that it says it doesn't work when the two Pokémon are from different language cartridges. E.g., it doesn't work if you try to breed an American Pokémon and a Japanese Pokémon together. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 20:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Let me double check the foriegn, but I know it works with two pokemon of the same cartridges. I'm almost positive it still works. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 21:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, it does work with two Pokémon from the same cartridge, but not with two foreign Pokémon, and that is what the article is referring to. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])

== Inbreedible Pokemon? ==
Okay so I have this male Charizard that I want to breed so I can send the Charmander over to my Leaf Green Version. I put it in the daycare with SEVERAL DIFFERENT Dittos, each with a different nature. All of them did not have interest in my Charizard or vice-versa. I looked up the nature and noticed that it had a LAX nature (Charizard). Do I need a certain natured ditto or something to be able to breed? --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 03:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lack of interest does not mean they won't make an egg. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|¿Nos hablamos?]] 22:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just wait a bit longer and take any further "how do I/what do I/where do I" game related questions to {{BMGf||the forums}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

what was the exact message the guy said? if he said "they dont seem to like each other" that means they will still breed but it just takes a little while longer, if he said "they prefer to play with other pokemon" then they cant breed and never will [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 22:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:These quotations need to go in the article. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

yep, they'll still breed. Thanks alot everyone. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 23:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Genders ==

When are they defined for the egg, when it is received or when it hatches? [[User:Anastius|Anastius]] 10:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "defined".--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::In the game data - the user wishes to know if once the player receives the egg, the gender of the hatched Pokemon has already been set. In my experience, yes, along with the nature. But I could have just been really unlucky. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::: It is definitely set when it hatches. I have hatched an army of Scyther (trying to get one with a "Rash" nature) and the gender and nature were always the same for the pokemon, even if i saved the game before it hatched, had it do so, and restarted it. So yes, gender and nature are determined when the Egg is conceived. Also, if makes since if you think about the hereditary moves, TM it can learn, etc when you pick which Pokémon you want to breed to get the egg. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 20:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==
How are egg moves determined? I mean, theres a list of moves that can be learned by pokemon by breeding for each pokemon. Was that found out by testing, and so its possible there are others it could learn, or is there a certain list of moves that a pokemon can use determined by the game and so anything thats not listed can't ever be learned? ([[User:MaoDaAmargura|MaoDaAmargura]] 01:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC))
:its shown in the official Guide books, and some are made off of users testing it. EG tangela has an unlisted move[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's also in the game's internal coding. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, but i think hes referring to how we found it. Not all of us can access the coding, I assure you.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 01:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== I dont get it........ ==
I had a male machamp which knew Revenge, cross chop, karete chop and dynamicunch
but when i bred it with a ditto the baby only knew its starting moves(low kick and leer) i'mpretty sure machop can learn all of my machamps moves what happend--[[User:Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur|Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur]] 20:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:try breeding with a female machoke [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Need Explaination ==

In the Trivia section it reads, "No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in Generation III and Generation IV, despite this being impossible in Generation II." Can someone please explain this statement? - [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 17:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:It may be referencing that, in real life, inbreeding can lead to developmental problems in the newborns, and so no such issues (always poor IVs, for example, or crappy natures) would occur in the Pokemon games. The second part is straightforward; you cannot breed a parent Pokemon with its offspring in G/S/C. I'm not sure if sibling breeding is allowed, however. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 14:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::Is it mentioned anywhere in the article, other than in the trivia, about inbreeding being impossible in Generation II? I skimmed over the article and saw nothing, but I might be wrong. I suggest, if it isn't already there, someone do a little segment on this, as I didn't really notice this in-game and it's kinda interesting. I'd do it myself, but I don't know much about the breeding of Generation II, and I've lost Crystal right now, and my emulators are too laggy to play on my laptop. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 15:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::@Star - Sibling breeding is allowed, the mechanics that prevent Parent-child breeding are related to IVs (or DV, as they were caled back then) and there is no relation on opposite sex siblings' IVs in GSC.
:::@It does, in the "Inheriting stats" section. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 15:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Tauros and Miltank again ==

From the article: ''Note that while Miltank and Tauros are considered to be the female and male of the same species in the canon, for the purposes of breeding they are separate species''

In what canon, exactly, are they considered "male and female of the same species"? Wouldn't, by nature of the fact that they cannot breed with each other to produce baby Tauros or Miltank, they NOT be [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 20:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:??? They can breed with each other to produce baby Miltank... But I agree, not the same species, would like to hear what canon says so. Also, that bit about Volbeat and Nido♂ breeding with Ditto is interesting, {{tt|Pokémon must have ZW sex chromosomes|and no I am not going to campaign to have that included in the article}}. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hatched Genders ==

Has anyone figured out when a newly-hatched Pokémon's gender is set? Does it happen at the time of the egg's conception, or does it happen when it's hatched? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Badge

2009-07-08T06:56:29Z

Dual: /* Gary and Otoshi's Badges */

For the record, is it "Boulderbadge" or "Boulder Badge"? Also, I figure listing what Badges do both here and in the [[Gym Leader]] page is redundant. I think it is more appropriate here. uhhh... And, how do you make it so that pages can link to individual badges within this page? Like [[ Badge#Boulder Badge ]] Is that possible? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Is it REALLY necessary to imply that the Japanese word for "badge" is different from the English word? --Ketsuban

To Ket, I think someone may have gone a bit overboard on our translation thing. ^^; And with respect to the #___Badge, yeah, I'll edit that so it's possible. And I believe the name is Boulderbadge, with no space, although this in turn is probably due to the game's character limit. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 00:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Use the <nowiki> ==== </nowiki> as the header title for all badges. And maybe debold the names of the badges? I'm not sure... And yeah, that header will allow [[Badges#Cascade Badge]] and the like. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:08, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May I ask why you replaced all the japanese text with question marks? or am I just viewing the page wrong? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

It seems that multiple recent edits by people are leaving the Japanese text in pages converted to ???... --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Ineteresting. Is everyone doing it, or just certain users? If it's everyone, the last update may have accidentally turned of RichText . . . Or at least that's what happened before on a messageboard where this same problem occured.

- Zeta

== Hoenn/Shin'ō Badges ==

Does anyone know where the Kanto and Johto badges' images came from, or who made them? I think it would look a lot better if we had something like that for the other two regions... I mean, if anyone has some drawing skill and can draw out the Hoenn badges, then digitally color them like the other ones, that'd be a good substitute for that anime screenshot... Same for the Shin'ō ones, if we get their colors ahead of time... Depends on how fast we get through Shin'ō in the anime, though, I'd suppose. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

----
From the adapted Chapter Books: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/102-2574885-0064955?ie=UTF8&p=S004&asin=043920092X Read the excerpt], flip a page and notice Coral-Eye Badge. How canonical is that? I don't know, but really it's our only evidence. It's how we figured out it's Cissy instead of Sissy, I think. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Gymbaliar ==

Should we mention somewhere in the anime section that Jessie ran a gym for one D&P episode, and gave out at least one badge to a trainer? Whether or not its considered offical is questionable, and it was not seen, but it should be mentioned that they DID have badges.[[User:Spongemaster0|Spongemaster0]] 14:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The badge in question, I believe, was 3 of James's bottle caps glued together. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Gyms ==

I've been watching Pokémon Chronicles lately, and something in the episode where Misty takes over as Gym Leader (Cerulean Blues, I think) seems kinda relevant. The Inspectors that are busy closing down various Gyms across Kanto are reported on the news to have closed down several already. If eight badges are a requirement for entering the Indigo League, there must be at least eight still open after those closures, right? That would seem to imply that there were (prior to that episode) several extra Gyms.

Also, in the games the "Fighting Dojo" is supposed to have had Gym status, and recently lost it. Bearing in mind that Sabrina's Gym has a pretty formidable reputation, I doubt its "brand new", in which case I'd espect the Fighting Dojo and Sabrina's Gym to have run simultaneously, at least for a bit. I know the Dojo was never mentioned in the Anime, but maybe one of Gary's badges (or the other trainers') could be from there, or other similar Gyms that were closed down?

--[[User:Aiden Iakona|Aiden Iakona]] 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:The anime seems to work pretty clearly under the assumption that there are more than eight gyms in a region. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, in most major regions anyway. Orange Islands was an exception. That made the opposite clear, that there were only four gyms in the islands. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Badge name spacing ==

I see someone reccently changed the badge names to give them consistant spacing. But a pretty quick video search on YouTube shows me that Boulderbadge and so on was correct, and is still kept in FR/LG.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, but it's HEAT BADGE and so on in Emerald, so I think that it was always their intention to have spaces, they just didn't have room in RBYGSC and wanted to keep with tradition in RSFRLG. Emerald they spaced and DP they finally turned off caps lock. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, RS did use spaces. And FR/LG came out afterward without the spacing. Maybe it was a character limit thing, I'll look through some official uses of the terms when I can and see if they agree with you. I just thought that was worth noting.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::All I can really say is that we'll know for sure for Johto/Kanto badges with GSDS. Seeing as FRLG was a remake of RB anyway, though... I think they were just keeping with tradition. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Weighing in, I think other forms of canon have always put a space between the words, which gives some weight to standardizing them as always spaced. I mean, granted, we usually set game canon as the one true canon, but... also, btw, RSE and FRLG weren't necessarily translated by the same people in the company, which could account for the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the people translating FRLG were looking back at the generation I data for reference far more than the data for the other generation III games, except maybe to make sure the new items shared the same names. Badges aren't new, so why would they think to check? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Computers versus badges==
Does anyone else find it odd that badges/ribbons themselves serve as authentication rather than a computerized system (then again, if badges were simply for decoration and kept track of by computer, we couldn't have "badge theft" episodes)? It seems strange that there's a computerized system for transferring Pokémon over large distances but not a system for keeping track of trainer acheivements. Perhaps a note should be made of that.--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Badges and Ribbons are meant to be more then just verification of a trainer's victory in a gym battle or contest. They're meant to be trophies. While winning a League tournament is the main goal, defeating a Gym Leader is also a major accomplishment, especially for trainers starting out. Why wouldn't they be given some kind of proof of their victory? I do agree that it's a bit silly that there isn't some kind of computerized system or something in place to help safeguard trainers from losing their eligibility to compete in league tournaments or grand-festivals in case of badge/ribbon loss, though. Something like that would even make the reason for badge-theft be completely moot, since having the badge alone wouldn't mean diddly if you weren't registered in the system. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== League ==

Once a trainer gets 8 badges, he can participate in their respective leagues. After the League is over, can they enter the same League again the next year with the same badges or do they have to travel around again?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)'''''
:Seeing as how Ash hasn't participated in the same League more than once, that isn't known. They certainly don't need to in the games, and it wouldn't be too surprising if they were allowed to compete again in the anime aswell. Since the badges are meant to be symbols that a trainer is skilled enough to compete in the League, it would seem kind of silly that they'd have to prove themselves twice. However, since the anime Leagues are tournament based, having trainers be able to compete again with the same badges would make the number of participants multiply each time. Think about it: You'd have most (if not all) of the losers from the last tournament, as well as all of the new trainers that just started out that year. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stat raising? ==

Badges have always been meant to raise the stats of the Trainer's Pokémon. But how does that work? The Pokémon have their base stats raised, and if so by how much? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody found this yet? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thirded.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl 043 Badges==
Should we add the badges in the case awarded for Ash in his fantasy in "Malice in Wonderland", or because they were in a fantasy we should ignore them? There are a lot of different ones that aren't specific gym badges and I think we should add them or try to figure them out. [[User:Moldy orange]] 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:No. They don't have names. Maybe mention that a bunch appeared, but I swear some of those are old badges. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes there were some old badges, many of which Ash had. But there were of course unidentified ones such as the "Triforce" badge.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}06:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Artwork ==

I have a book at home with the artwork of all the Sinnoh badges. Anybody want me to scan them in? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 17:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, it'd be good if you could make them high-quality pngs, preferably without scan artifacting like the rest lack. If I knew where we got the KOJ ones, I'd see if they had the Sinnoh ones (Hoenn's were actually done by my friend, a very faithful adaptation of the style, I would say). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, one question: How do you make a transparent background? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 03:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Got Photoshop/Gimp? It's pretty straightforward... just... don't fill it in! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I have PhotoShop. What do I do? I'm kinda new to this... [[User:Yinyang1195|'''HAPPY''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''VALENTINES''']][[Image:Ani370MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''DAY''']][[Image:Ani427MS.gif]] 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/leagues/] has official Sinnoh badge artwork. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

'''Badges that appeared:'''

Kanto: Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Volcano Badge, Earth Badge

All of Johto's

Hoenn: Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, Balence Badge

Sinnoh: Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, Beacon Badge

'''Badges that didn't:(excluding Orange)'''

Kanto: Boulder Badge, Rainbow Badge

None of Johto's

Hoenn: Heat Badge, Feather Badge, Mind Badge, Rain Badge, Dynamo Badge

Sinnoh: Mine Badge

'''Similar in the case but not exact:'''

Marsh Badge

Plain Badge

Also, later when they are about to leave Mismagius, there are badges raining from the sky. Some of these are also different.

Noteworthy, maybe. If someone wants to put this in be my guest but I don't want to do it myself. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

: There's a Bagde that looks like a Rain Badge in between the Knuckle and Hive Badge...--[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 09:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Gary and Otoshi's Badges ==

Since Kanto and Johto both have the same league, wouldn't that mean that these extra badges aren't necesarily only from Kanto, but can be from Johto as well. It was proven by [[Sakura]], who was going to the Indigo League, that one does not need to get all eight from only one region, but they can get any ratio of eight throughout the two regions. So, couldn't these be from Johto as well, even though Johto didn't exist when they were seen? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura didn't specify which competition she was entering. As far as we know from Ash's journey, the Kanto badges work at the Indigo Plateau and he needed to collect another eight from Johto before he could enter the Silver Conference. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Kanto and Johto only share leagues in the games. In the anime, they're two separate leagues, with their own individual Conferences held at different locations. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Relic Badge ==

I think it may be a rosary of some sort, especially since the Hearthome Gym is a huge cathedral and the word "{{wp|relic}}" has religious or sacred connotations.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's badges ==

In the section "Gary" of the article it states "This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types" Where does this figure of fifteen come from? There were sixteen Pokemon types in Generation I; Dark was the only type not to have any Pokemon named after it (easy to find a Pokemon of each type: Rattata, Machop, Pidgey, Koffing, Sandshrew, Geodude, Caterpie, Gastly, Magnemite, Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, Alakazam, Jynx and Dratini for example). If the sentence is referring to only single-types then it would be much less than 15 as there certainly weren't any single-typed Dark, Ice or Steel Pokemon (and maybe more) in Generation I. So I think the sentence is inaccurate. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Gen1 had fifteen types. Gen2 had 17. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Steel is the other one. Magnemite changed type in Generation II, and so wasn't Steel-type in Generation I. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Marsh and Soul and Renaming, oh my! ==
So, Sabrina's badge was originally going to be the Soul Badge, because Psychickers can peer into your soul... and Koga's badge was going to be the Marsh Badge, because Poisonous fumes come from marshes and such. These were accidentally flipped in the final version, and have stuck even in Gen II and the Gen III remakes. Eevee is not Eon, and Abra is not Hocus. But we still mention that before the official release, Eevee was going to be called Eon and Abra Hocus and Kadabra Pocus and such. Why don't we mention this flip-flop then? Especially considering the fact that it was a mistake, rather than a purposeful decision? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:We have sources for unused Pokemon names. Do you have any source for the badge naming? Who says that one was supposed to be the other? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not offhand, but I could probably find some. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a discussion with NoA or PUSA at some point. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please do. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I've always thought this myself. I also wonder if the shapes were switched too, since hearts have more to do with soul than circles, and I guess a double-rimmed circle could vaguely represent some area such as marsh.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Polishing... ==

I don't see that info anywhere... or maybe no one has noticed. You can actually polish your badges in DP (and I think also in Pt) and make them shine. Where should it be put? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm surprised it's not in the article; it's a pretty fun new aspect to the badges. Oh wait, YES IT IS. Check under Sinnoh League. It's mentioned there. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dive ==

In the trivia it says that Dive "cannot be used or obtained without trading in Kanto." This implies that it can be USED in Kanto, I wasn't aware of this, but if this is not the case, perhaps it could be better phrased as "cannot be obtained without trading or used in Kanto" Sorry if I'm wrong as this is an observation from memories of the game rather than from concrete knowledge. - [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== More than eight gyms... ==

This article says, a few times, that the anime characters having new badges implies that there are more than eight badges in the region. Should we rephrase it to include something about it being anime cannon? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 22:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disorganization ==

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this page is horribly messy and practically illegible? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think so too... Maybe we could make a table... Something like:

:{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="1"
|Name
|Image
|Location
|HM Allowed
|Obeying Level
|Stat Raised
|Leader
|-
|Boulder Badge
|[[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|Pewter City
|Flash
|10
|Attack
|Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|Cascade Badge
|[[image:cascadebadge.png|50px]]
|Cerulean City
|Cut
|30
|None
|Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|}

:Something like that, just... well, prettier... --{{u|Mr. Charlie}} 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's certainly more easy on the eyes. The only problem is that every badge does a combination of HM/Stat/Level, so the listing would have to be adjusted to fit. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::The idea is to make a single table to include every badge, or at least on table per region. That way al the information would be organized in he same place. I modified the one above to include the Cascade Badge and added a new column to the obeying level for traded Pokémon. I would do it myself, but I suck at making tables...-- {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 20:21, 23 March 2009
:::I've tried to make a table, tell me what you think. I've put it in a spoiler because it's kinda big... It still needs links and stuff and I've only made for the Kanto League Badges, but the basic idea is there.
{|class="expandable"
|-
!align="left"|Here it is.
|-
|
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; width=700px cellspacing="1"; height=500px
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Name'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Image'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Location '''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''HM Allowed'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Obeying Level'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Stat Raised'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Leader'''
|-
|align=center | Boulder Badge
|align=center | [[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Pewter City
|align=center | Flash
|align=center | 10
|align=center | Attack
|align=center | Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Cascade Badge
|align=center | [[image:cascadebadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Cerulean City
|align=center | Cut
|align=center | 30
|align=center | None
|align=center | Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Thunder Badge
|align=center | [[image:thunderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Vermilion City
|align=center | Fly
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Speed
|align=center | Lt. Surge
|-
|align=center | Rainbow Badge
|align=center | [[image:rainbowbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Celadon City
|align=center | Strenght
|align=center | 50
|align=center | None
|align=center | Erika
|-
|align=center | Soul Badge
|align=center | [[image:soulbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Fuschia City
|align=center | Surf
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Defense
|align=center | {{tt|Koga|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Janine|Generation II}}
|-
|align=center | Marsh Badge
|align=center | [[image:marshbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | {{tt|Rock Smash|Generation III}}
|align=center | 70
|align=center | None
|align=center | Sabrina
|-
|align=center | Volcano Badge
|align=center | [[image:volcanobadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Cinnabar City
|align=center | {{tt|Waterfall|Generation III}}
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Special
|align=center | Blaine
|-
|align=center | Earth Badge
|align=center | [[image:earthbadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | None
|align=center | 100
|align=center | None
|align=center | {{tt|Giovanni|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Blue|Generation II}} {{tt|Jessie, James and Meowth|Anime Only}} {{tt|Agatha|Anime Only}}
|}
|}

[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 04:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:While I commend your efforts, condensing an entire article into a table is not the best way to reorganize a page. I'll look into this.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Quite good but only if we can put in the sprites of Gymleaders instead of just names. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I shall try making one with -moz-border-radius.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::: See [[User:Force Fire/Sandbox|mine.]]--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Hey! I've got an inquiry. I've got all the sprites of all the current known badges, and to make my collection complete, I was wondering if some of Bulbapedia's top sprites could try their hand at spriting all the unknown badges on this page? Possible? [[User:QTR|QTR]] 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Raised stat==
For the Kanto badges, what does it mean "raised stat"? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 11:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:A specific [[stat]] of each and every Pokémon you own is raised by a certain degree upon obtaining the relevant badge. And new comments to bottom please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Badge

2009-07-08T06:48:05Z

Dual: /* Computers versus badges */

For the record, is it "Boulderbadge" or "Boulder Badge"? Also, I figure listing what Badges do both here and in the [[Gym Leader]] page is redundant. I think it is more appropriate here. uhhh... And, how do you make it so that pages can link to individual badges within this page? Like [[ Badge#Boulder Badge ]] Is that possible? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Is it REALLY necessary to imply that the Japanese word for "badge" is different from the English word? --Ketsuban

To Ket, I think someone may have gone a bit overboard on our translation thing. ^^; And with respect to the #___Badge, yeah, I'll edit that so it's possible. And I believe the name is Boulderbadge, with no space, although this in turn is probably due to the game's character limit. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 00:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Use the <nowiki> ==== </nowiki> as the header title for all badges. And maybe debold the names of the badges? I'm not sure... And yeah, that header will allow [[Badges#Cascade Badge]] and the like. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:08, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May I ask why you replaced all the japanese text with question marks? or am I just viewing the page wrong? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

It seems that multiple recent edits by people are leaving the Japanese text in pages converted to ???... --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Ineteresting. Is everyone doing it, or just certain users? If it's everyone, the last update may have accidentally turned of RichText . . . Or at least that's what happened before on a messageboard where this same problem occured.

- Zeta

== Hoenn/Shin'ō Badges ==

Does anyone know where the Kanto and Johto badges' images came from, or who made them? I think it would look a lot better if we had something like that for the other two regions... I mean, if anyone has some drawing skill and can draw out the Hoenn badges, then digitally color them like the other ones, that'd be a good substitute for that anime screenshot... Same for the Shin'ō ones, if we get their colors ahead of time... Depends on how fast we get through Shin'ō in the anime, though, I'd suppose. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

----
From the adapted Chapter Books: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/102-2574885-0064955?ie=UTF8&p=S004&asin=043920092X Read the excerpt], flip a page and notice Coral-Eye Badge. How canonical is that? I don't know, but really it's our only evidence. It's how we figured out it's Cissy instead of Sissy, I think. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Gymbaliar ==

Should we mention somewhere in the anime section that Jessie ran a gym for one D&P episode, and gave out at least one badge to a trainer? Whether or not its considered offical is questionable, and it was not seen, but it should be mentioned that they DID have badges.[[User:Spongemaster0|Spongemaster0]] 14:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The badge in question, I believe, was 3 of James's bottle caps glued together. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Gyms ==

I've been watching Pokémon Chronicles lately, and something in the episode where Misty takes over as Gym Leader (Cerulean Blues, I think) seems kinda relevant. The Inspectors that are busy closing down various Gyms across Kanto are reported on the news to have closed down several already. If eight badges are a requirement for entering the Indigo League, there must be at least eight still open after those closures, right? That would seem to imply that there were (prior to that episode) several extra Gyms.

Also, in the games the "Fighting Dojo" is supposed to have had Gym status, and recently lost it. Bearing in mind that Sabrina's Gym has a pretty formidable reputation, I doubt its "brand new", in which case I'd espect the Fighting Dojo and Sabrina's Gym to have run simultaneously, at least for a bit. I know the Dojo was never mentioned in the Anime, but maybe one of Gary's badges (or the other trainers') could be from there, or other similar Gyms that were closed down?

--[[User:Aiden Iakona|Aiden Iakona]] 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:The anime seems to work pretty clearly under the assumption that there are more than eight gyms in a region. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, in most major regions anyway. Orange Islands was an exception. That made the opposite clear, that there were only four gyms in the islands. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Badge name spacing ==

I see someone reccently changed the badge names to give them consistant spacing. But a pretty quick video search on YouTube shows me that Boulderbadge and so on was correct, and is still kept in FR/LG.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, but it's HEAT BADGE and so on in Emerald, so I think that it was always their intention to have spaces, they just didn't have room in RBYGSC and wanted to keep with tradition in RSFRLG. Emerald they spaced and DP they finally turned off caps lock. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, RS did use spaces. And FR/LG came out afterward without the spacing. Maybe it was a character limit thing, I'll look through some official uses of the terms when I can and see if they agree with you. I just thought that was worth noting.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::All I can really say is that we'll know for sure for Johto/Kanto badges with GSDS. Seeing as FRLG was a remake of RB anyway, though... I think they were just keeping with tradition. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Weighing in, I think other forms of canon have always put a space between the words, which gives some weight to standardizing them as always spaced. I mean, granted, we usually set game canon as the one true canon, but... also, btw, RSE and FRLG weren't necessarily translated by the same people in the company, which could account for the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the people translating FRLG were looking back at the generation I data for reference far more than the data for the other generation III games, except maybe to make sure the new items shared the same names. Badges aren't new, so why would they think to check? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Computers versus badges==
Does anyone else find it odd that badges/ribbons themselves serve as authentication rather than a computerized system (then again, if badges were simply for decoration and kept track of by computer, we couldn't have "badge theft" episodes)? It seems strange that there's a computerized system for transferring Pokémon over large distances but not a system for keeping track of trainer acheivements. Perhaps a note should be made of that.--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Badges and Ribbons are meant to be more then just verification of a trainer's victory in a gym battle or contest. They're meant to be trophies. While winning a League tournament is the main goal, defeating a Gym Leader is also a major accomplishment, especially for trainers starting out. Why wouldn't they be given some kind of proof of their victory? I do agree that it's a bit silly that there isn't some kind of computerized system or something in place to help safeguard trainers from losing their eligibility to compete in league tournaments or grand-festivals in case of badge/ribbon loss, though. Something like that would even make the reason for badge-theft be completely moot, since having the badge alone wouldn't mean diddly if you weren't registered in the system. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== League ==

Once a trainer gets 8 badges, he can participate in their respective leagues. After the League is over, can they enter the same League again the next year with the same badges or do they have to travel around again?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)'''''
:Seeing as how Ash hasn't participated in the same League more than once, that isn't known. They certainly don't need to in the games, and it wouldn't be too surprising if they were allowed to compete again in the anime aswell. Since the badges are meant to be symbols that a trainer is skilled enough to compete in the League, it would seem kind of silly that they'd have to prove themselves twice. However, since the anime Leagues are tournament based, having trainers be able to compete again with the same badges would make the number of participants multiply each time. Think about it: You'd have most (if not all) of the losers from the last tournament, as well as all of the new trainers that just started out that year. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stat raising? ==

Badges have always been meant to raise the stats of the Trainer's Pokémon. But how does that work? The Pokémon have their base stats raised, and if so by how much? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody found this yet? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thirded.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl 043 Badges==
Should we add the badges in the case awarded for Ash in his fantasy in "Malice in Wonderland", or because they were in a fantasy we should ignore them? There are a lot of different ones that aren't specific gym badges and I think we should add them or try to figure them out. [[User:Moldy orange]] 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:No. They don't have names. Maybe mention that a bunch appeared, but I swear some of those are old badges. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes there were some old badges, many of which Ash had. But there were of course unidentified ones such as the "Triforce" badge.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}06:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Artwork ==

I have a book at home with the artwork of all the Sinnoh badges. Anybody want me to scan them in? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 17:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, it'd be good if you could make them high-quality pngs, preferably without scan artifacting like the rest lack. If I knew where we got the KOJ ones, I'd see if they had the Sinnoh ones (Hoenn's were actually done by my friend, a very faithful adaptation of the style, I would say). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, one question: How do you make a transparent background? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 03:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Got Photoshop/Gimp? It's pretty straightforward... just... don't fill it in! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I have PhotoShop. What do I do? I'm kinda new to this... [[User:Yinyang1195|'''HAPPY''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''VALENTINES''']][[Image:Ani370MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''DAY''']][[Image:Ani427MS.gif]] 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/leagues/] has official Sinnoh badge artwork. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

'''Badges that appeared:'''

Kanto: Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Volcano Badge, Earth Badge

All of Johto's

Hoenn: Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, Balence Badge

Sinnoh: Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, Beacon Badge

'''Badges that didn't:(excluding Orange)'''

Kanto: Boulder Badge, Rainbow Badge

None of Johto's

Hoenn: Heat Badge, Feather Badge, Mind Badge, Rain Badge, Dynamo Badge

Sinnoh: Mine Badge

'''Similar in the case but not exact:'''

Marsh Badge

Plain Badge

Also, later when they are about to leave Mismagius, there are badges raining from the sky. Some of these are also different.

Noteworthy, maybe. If someone wants to put this in be my guest but I don't want to do it myself. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

: There's a Bagde that looks like a Rain Badge in between the Knuckle and Hive Badge...--[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 09:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Gary and Otoshi's Badges ==

Since Kanto and Johto both have the same league, wouldn't that mean that these extra badges aren't necesarily only from Kanto, but can be from Johto as well. It was proven by [[Sakura]], who was going to the Indigo League, that one does not need to get all eight from only one region, but they can get any ratio of eight throughout the two regions. So, couldn't these be from Johto as well, even though Johto didn't exist when they were seen? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura didn't specify which competition she was entering. As far as we know from Ash's journey, the Kanto badges work at the Indigo Plateau and he needed to collect another eight from Johto before he could enter the Silver Conference. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relic Badge ==

I think it may be a rosary of some sort, especially since the Hearthome Gym is a huge cathedral and the word "{{wp|relic}}" has religious or sacred connotations.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's badges ==

In the section "Gary" of the article it states "This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types" Where does this figure of fifteen come from? There were sixteen Pokemon types in Generation I; Dark was the only type not to have any Pokemon named after it (easy to find a Pokemon of each type: Rattata, Machop, Pidgey, Koffing, Sandshrew, Geodude, Caterpie, Gastly, Magnemite, Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, Alakazam, Jynx and Dratini for example). If the sentence is referring to only single-types then it would be much less than 15 as there certainly weren't any single-typed Dark, Ice or Steel Pokemon (and maybe more) in Generation I. So I think the sentence is inaccurate. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Gen1 had fifteen types. Gen2 had 17. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Steel is the other one. Magnemite changed type in Generation II, and so wasn't Steel-type in Generation I. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Marsh and Soul and Renaming, oh my! ==
So, Sabrina's badge was originally going to be the Soul Badge, because Psychickers can peer into your soul... and Koga's badge was going to be the Marsh Badge, because Poisonous fumes come from marshes and such. These were accidentally flipped in the final version, and have stuck even in Gen II and the Gen III remakes. Eevee is not Eon, and Abra is not Hocus. But we still mention that before the official release, Eevee was going to be called Eon and Abra Hocus and Kadabra Pocus and such. Why don't we mention this flip-flop then? Especially considering the fact that it was a mistake, rather than a purposeful decision? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:We have sources for unused Pokemon names. Do you have any source for the badge naming? Who says that one was supposed to be the other? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not offhand, but I could probably find some. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a discussion with NoA or PUSA at some point. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please do. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I've always thought this myself. I also wonder if the shapes were switched too, since hearts have more to do with soul than circles, and I guess a double-rimmed circle could vaguely represent some area such as marsh.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Polishing... ==

I don't see that info anywhere... or maybe no one has noticed. You can actually polish your badges in DP (and I think also in Pt) and make them shine. Where should it be put? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm surprised it's not in the article; it's a pretty fun new aspect to the badges. Oh wait, YES IT IS. Check under Sinnoh League. It's mentioned there. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dive ==

In the trivia it says that Dive "cannot be used or obtained without trading in Kanto." This implies that it can be USED in Kanto, I wasn't aware of this, but if this is not the case, perhaps it could be better phrased as "cannot be obtained without trading or used in Kanto" Sorry if I'm wrong as this is an observation from memories of the game rather than from concrete knowledge. - [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== More than eight gyms... ==

This article says, a few times, that the anime characters having new badges implies that there are more than eight badges in the region. Should we rephrase it to include something about it being anime cannon? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 22:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disorganization ==

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this page is horribly messy and practically illegible? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think so too... Maybe we could make a table... Something like:

:{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="1"
|Name
|Image
|Location
|HM Allowed
|Obeying Level
|Stat Raised
|Leader
|-
|Boulder Badge
|[[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|Pewter City
|Flash
|10
|Attack
|Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|Cascade Badge
|[[image:cascadebadge.png|50px]]
|Cerulean City
|Cut
|30
|None
|Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|}

:Something like that, just... well, prettier... --{{u|Mr. Charlie}} 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's certainly more easy on the eyes. The only problem is that every badge does a combination of HM/Stat/Level, so the listing would have to be adjusted to fit. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::The idea is to make a single table to include every badge, or at least on table per region. That way al the information would be organized in he same place. I modified the one above to include the Cascade Badge and added a new column to the obeying level for traded Pokémon. I would do it myself, but I suck at making tables...-- {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 20:21, 23 March 2009
:::I've tried to make a table, tell me what you think. I've put it in a spoiler because it's kinda big... It still needs links and stuff and I've only made for the Kanto League Badges, but the basic idea is there.
{|class="expandable"
|-
!align="left"|Here it is.
|-
|
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; width=700px cellspacing="1"; height=500px
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Name'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Image'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Location '''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''HM Allowed'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Obeying Level'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Stat Raised'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Leader'''
|-
|align=center | Boulder Badge
|align=center | [[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Pewter City
|align=center | Flash
|align=center | 10
|align=center | Attack
|align=center | Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Cascade Badge
|align=center | [[image:cascadebadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Cerulean City
|align=center | Cut
|align=center | 30
|align=center | None
|align=center | Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Thunder Badge
|align=center | [[image:thunderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Vermilion City
|align=center | Fly
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Speed
|align=center | Lt. Surge
|-
|align=center | Rainbow Badge
|align=center | [[image:rainbowbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Celadon City
|align=center | Strenght
|align=center | 50
|align=center | None
|align=center | Erika
|-
|align=center | Soul Badge
|align=center | [[image:soulbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Fuschia City
|align=center | Surf
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Defense
|align=center | {{tt|Koga|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Janine|Generation II}}
|-
|align=center | Marsh Badge
|align=center | [[image:marshbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | {{tt|Rock Smash|Generation III}}
|align=center | 70
|align=center | None
|align=center | Sabrina
|-
|align=center | Volcano Badge
|align=center | [[image:volcanobadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Cinnabar City
|align=center | {{tt|Waterfall|Generation III}}
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Special
|align=center | Blaine
|-
|align=center | Earth Badge
|align=center | [[image:earthbadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | None
|align=center | 100
|align=center | None
|align=center | {{tt|Giovanni|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Blue|Generation II}} {{tt|Jessie, James and Meowth|Anime Only}} {{tt|Agatha|Anime Only}}
|}
|}

[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 04:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:While I commend your efforts, condensing an entire article into a table is not the best way to reorganize a page. I'll look into this.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Quite good but only if we can put in the sprites of Gymleaders instead of just names. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I shall try making one with -moz-border-radius.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::: See [[User:Force Fire/Sandbox|mine.]]--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Hey! I've got an inquiry. I've got all the sprites of all the current known badges, and to make my collection complete, I was wondering if some of Bulbapedia's top sprites could try their hand at spriting all the unknown badges on this page? Possible? [[User:QTR|QTR]] 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Raised stat==
For the Kanto badges, what does it mean "raised stat"? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 11:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:A specific [[stat]] of each and every Pokémon you own is raised by a certain degree upon obtaining the relevant badge. And new comments to bottom please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Badge

2009-07-08T06:31:32Z

Dual: /* League */

For the record, is it "Boulderbadge" or "Boulder Badge"? Also, I figure listing what Badges do both here and in the [[Gym Leader]] page is redundant. I think it is more appropriate here. uhhh... And, how do you make it so that pages can link to individual badges within this page? Like [[ Badge#Boulder Badge ]] Is that possible? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Is it REALLY necessary to imply that the Japanese word for "badge" is different from the English word? --Ketsuban

To Ket, I think someone may have gone a bit overboard on our translation thing. ^^; And with respect to the #___Badge, yeah, I'll edit that so it's possible. And I believe the name is Boulderbadge, with no space, although this in turn is probably due to the game's character limit. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 00:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Use the <nowiki> ==== </nowiki> as the header title for all badges. And maybe debold the names of the badges? I'm not sure... And yeah, that header will allow [[Badges#Cascade Badge]] and the like. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:08, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May I ask why you replaced all the japanese text with question marks? or am I just viewing the page wrong? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

It seems that multiple recent edits by people are leaving the Japanese text in pages converted to ???... --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Ineteresting. Is everyone doing it, or just certain users? If it's everyone, the last update may have accidentally turned of RichText . . . Or at least that's what happened before on a messageboard where this same problem occured.

- Zeta

== Hoenn/Shin'ō Badges ==

Does anyone know where the Kanto and Johto badges' images came from, or who made them? I think it would look a lot better if we had something like that for the other two regions... I mean, if anyone has some drawing skill and can draw out the Hoenn badges, then digitally color them like the other ones, that'd be a good substitute for that anime screenshot... Same for the Shin'ō ones, if we get their colors ahead of time... Depends on how fast we get through Shin'ō in the anime, though, I'd suppose. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

----
From the adapted Chapter Books: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/102-2574885-0064955?ie=UTF8&p=S004&asin=043920092X Read the excerpt], flip a page and notice Coral-Eye Badge. How canonical is that? I don't know, but really it's our only evidence. It's how we figured out it's Cissy instead of Sissy, I think. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Gymbaliar ==

Should we mention somewhere in the anime section that Jessie ran a gym for one D&P episode, and gave out at least one badge to a trainer? Whether or not its considered offical is questionable, and it was not seen, but it should be mentioned that they DID have badges.[[User:Spongemaster0|Spongemaster0]] 14:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The badge in question, I believe, was 3 of James's bottle caps glued together. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Gyms ==

I've been watching Pokémon Chronicles lately, and something in the episode where Misty takes over as Gym Leader (Cerulean Blues, I think) seems kinda relevant. The Inspectors that are busy closing down various Gyms across Kanto are reported on the news to have closed down several already. If eight badges are a requirement for entering the Indigo League, there must be at least eight still open after those closures, right? That would seem to imply that there were (prior to that episode) several extra Gyms.

Also, in the games the "Fighting Dojo" is supposed to have had Gym status, and recently lost it. Bearing in mind that Sabrina's Gym has a pretty formidable reputation, I doubt its "brand new", in which case I'd espect the Fighting Dojo and Sabrina's Gym to have run simultaneously, at least for a bit. I know the Dojo was never mentioned in the Anime, but maybe one of Gary's badges (or the other trainers') could be from there, or other similar Gyms that were closed down?

--[[User:Aiden Iakona|Aiden Iakona]] 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:The anime seems to work pretty clearly under the assumption that there are more than eight gyms in a region. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, in most major regions anyway. Orange Islands was an exception. That made the opposite clear, that there were only four gyms in the islands. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Badge name spacing ==

I see someone reccently changed the badge names to give them consistant spacing. But a pretty quick video search on YouTube shows me that Boulderbadge and so on was correct, and is still kept in FR/LG.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, but it's HEAT BADGE and so on in Emerald, so I think that it was always their intention to have spaces, they just didn't have room in RBYGSC and wanted to keep with tradition in RSFRLG. Emerald they spaced and DP they finally turned off caps lock. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, RS did use spaces. And FR/LG came out afterward without the spacing. Maybe it was a character limit thing, I'll look through some official uses of the terms when I can and see if they agree with you. I just thought that was worth noting.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::All I can really say is that we'll know for sure for Johto/Kanto badges with GSDS. Seeing as FRLG was a remake of RB anyway, though... I think they were just keeping with tradition. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Weighing in, I think other forms of canon have always put a space between the words, which gives some weight to standardizing them as always spaced. I mean, granted, we usually set game canon as the one true canon, but... also, btw, RSE and FRLG weren't necessarily translated by the same people in the company, which could account for the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the people translating FRLG were looking back at the generation I data for reference far more than the data for the other generation III games, except maybe to make sure the new items shared the same names. Badges aren't new, so why would they think to check? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Computers versus badges==
Does anyone else find it odd that badges/ribbons themselves serve as authentication rather than a computerized system (then again, if badges were simply for decoration and kept track of by computer, we couldn't have "badge theft" episodes)? It seems strange that there's a computerized system for transferring Pokémon over large distances but not a system for keeping track of trainer acheivements. Perhaps a note should be made of that.--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== League ==

Once a trainer gets 8 badges, he can participate in their respective leagues. After the League is over, can they enter the same League again the next year with the same badges or do they have to travel around again?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)'''''
:Seeing as how Ash hasn't participated in the same League more than once, that isn't known. They certainly don't need to in the games, and it wouldn't be too surprising if they were allowed to compete again in the anime aswell. Since the badges are meant to be symbols that a trainer is skilled enough to compete in the League, it would seem kind of silly that they'd have to prove themselves twice. However, since the anime Leagues are tournament based, having trainers be able to compete again with the same badges would make the number of participants multiply each time. Think about it: You'd have most (if not all) of the losers from the last tournament, as well as all of the new trainers that just started out that year. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stat raising? ==

Badges have always been meant to raise the stats of the Trainer's Pokémon. But how does that work? The Pokémon have their base stats raised, and if so by how much? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody found this yet? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thirded.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl 043 Badges==
Should we add the badges in the case awarded for Ash in his fantasy in "Malice in Wonderland", or because they were in a fantasy we should ignore them? There are a lot of different ones that aren't specific gym badges and I think we should add them or try to figure them out. [[User:Moldy orange]] 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:No. They don't have names. Maybe mention that a bunch appeared, but I swear some of those are old badges. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes there were some old badges, many of which Ash had. But there were of course unidentified ones such as the "Triforce" badge.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}06:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Artwork ==

I have a book at home with the artwork of all the Sinnoh badges. Anybody want me to scan them in? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 17:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, it'd be good if you could make them high-quality pngs, preferably without scan artifacting like the rest lack. If I knew where we got the KOJ ones, I'd see if they had the Sinnoh ones (Hoenn's were actually done by my friend, a very faithful adaptation of the style, I would say). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, one question: How do you make a transparent background? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[Image:Ani250MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']][[Image:Ani249MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']][[Image:Ani245MS.gif]] 03:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Got Photoshop/Gimp? It's pretty straightforward... just... don't fill it in! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I have PhotoShop. What do I do? I'm kinda new to this... [[User:Yinyang1195|'''HAPPY''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif]][[User:Yinyang1195|'''VALENTINES''']][[Image:Ani370MS.gif]]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''DAY''']][[Image:Ani427MS.gif]] 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/leagues/] has official Sinnoh badge artwork. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

'''Badges that appeared:'''

Kanto: Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Volcano Badge, Earth Badge

All of Johto's

Hoenn: Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, Balence Badge

Sinnoh: Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, Beacon Badge

'''Badges that didn't:(excluding Orange)'''

Kanto: Boulder Badge, Rainbow Badge

None of Johto's

Hoenn: Heat Badge, Feather Badge, Mind Badge, Rain Badge, Dynamo Badge

Sinnoh: Mine Badge

'''Similar in the case but not exact:'''

Marsh Badge

Plain Badge

Also, later when they are about to leave Mismagius, there are badges raining from the sky. Some of these are also different.

Noteworthy, maybe. If someone wants to put this in be my guest but I don't want to do it myself. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

: There's a Bagde that looks like a Rain Badge in between the Knuckle and Hive Badge...--[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 09:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Gary and Otoshi's Badges ==

Since Kanto and Johto both have the same league, wouldn't that mean that these extra badges aren't necesarily only from Kanto, but can be from Johto as well. It was proven by [[Sakura]], who was going to the Indigo League, that one does not need to get all eight from only one region, but they can get any ratio of eight throughout the two regions. So, couldn't these be from Johto as well, even though Johto didn't exist when they were seen? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura didn't specify which competition she was entering. As far as we know from Ash's journey, the Kanto badges work at the Indigo Plateau and he needed to collect another eight from Johto before he could enter the Silver Conference. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relic Badge ==

I think it may be a rosary of some sort, especially since the Hearthome Gym is a huge cathedral and the word "{{wp|relic}}" has religious or sacred connotations.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's badges ==

In the section "Gary" of the article it states "This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types" Where does this figure of fifteen come from? There were sixteen Pokemon types in Generation I; Dark was the only type not to have any Pokemon named after it (easy to find a Pokemon of each type: Rattata, Machop, Pidgey, Koffing, Sandshrew, Geodude, Caterpie, Gastly, Magnemite, Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, Alakazam, Jynx and Dratini for example). If the sentence is referring to only single-types then it would be much less than 15 as there certainly weren't any single-typed Dark, Ice or Steel Pokemon (and maybe more) in Generation I. So I think the sentence is inaccurate. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Gen1 had fifteen types. Gen2 had 17. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Steel is the other one. Magnemite changed type in Generation II, and so wasn't Steel-type in Generation I. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Marsh and Soul and Renaming, oh my! ==
So, Sabrina's badge was originally going to be the Soul Badge, because Psychickers can peer into your soul... and Koga's badge was going to be the Marsh Badge, because Poisonous fumes come from marshes and such. These were accidentally flipped in the final version, and have stuck even in Gen II and the Gen III remakes. Eevee is not Eon, and Abra is not Hocus. But we still mention that before the official release, Eevee was going to be called Eon and Abra Hocus and Kadabra Pocus and such. Why don't we mention this flip-flop then? Especially considering the fact that it was a mistake, rather than a purposeful decision? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:We have sources for unused Pokemon names. Do you have any source for the badge naming? Who says that one was supposed to be the other? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not offhand, but I could probably find some. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a discussion with NoA or PUSA at some point. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please do. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I've always thought this myself. I also wonder if the shapes were switched too, since hearts have more to do with soul than circles, and I guess a double-rimmed circle could vaguely represent some area such as marsh.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Polishing... ==

I don't see that info anywhere... or maybe no one has noticed. You can actually polish your badges in DP (and I think also in Pt) and make them shine. Where should it be put? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm surprised it's not in the article; it's a pretty fun new aspect to the badges. Oh wait, YES IT IS. Check under Sinnoh League. It's mentioned there. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dive ==

In the trivia it says that Dive "cannot be used or obtained without trading in Kanto." This implies that it can be USED in Kanto, I wasn't aware of this, but if this is not the case, perhaps it could be better phrased as "cannot be obtained without trading or used in Kanto" Sorry if I'm wrong as this is an observation from memories of the game rather than from concrete knowledge. - [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== More than eight gyms... ==

This article says, a few times, that the anime characters having new badges implies that there are more than eight badges in the region. Should we rephrase it to include something about it being anime cannon? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 22:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disorganization ==

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this page is horribly messy and practically illegible? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think so too... Maybe we could make a table... Something like:

:{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="1"
|Name
|Image
|Location
|HM Allowed
|Obeying Level
|Stat Raised
|Leader
|-
|Boulder Badge
|[[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|Pewter City
|Flash
|10
|Attack
|Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|Cascade Badge
|[[image:cascadebadge.png|50px]]
|Cerulean City
|Cut
|30
|None
|Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|}

:Something like that, just... well, prettier... --{{u|Mr. Charlie}} 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's certainly more easy on the eyes. The only problem is that every badge does a combination of HM/Stat/Level, so the listing would have to be adjusted to fit. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::The idea is to make a single table to include every badge, or at least on table per region. That way al the information would be organized in he same place. I modified the one above to include the Cascade Badge and added a new column to the obeying level for traded Pokémon. I would do it myself, but I suck at making tables...-- {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 20:21, 23 March 2009
:::I've tried to make a table, tell me what you think. I've put it in a spoiler because it's kinda big... It still needs links and stuff and I've only made for the Kanto League Badges, but the basic idea is there.
{|class="expandable"
|-
!align="left"|Here it is.
|-
|
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; width=700px cellspacing="1"; height=500px
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Name'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Image'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Location '''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''HM Allowed'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Obeying Level'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Stat Raised'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Leader'''
|-
|align=center | Boulder Badge
|align=center | [[image:boulderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Pewter City
|align=center | Flash
|align=center | 10
|align=center | Attack
|align=center | Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Cascade Badge
|align=center | [[image:cascadebadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Cerulean City
|align=center | Cut
|align=center | 30
|align=center | None
|align=center | Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Thunder Badge
|align=center | [[image:thunderbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Vermilion City
|align=center | Fly
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Speed
|align=center | Lt. Surge
|-
|align=center | Rainbow Badge
|align=center | [[image:rainbowbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Celadon City
|align=center | Strenght
|align=center | 50
|align=center | None
|align=center | Erika
|-
|align=center | Soul Badge
|align=center | [[image:soulbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Fuschia City
|align=center | Surf
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Defense
|align=center | {{tt|Koga|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Janine|Generation II}}
|-
|align=center | Marsh Badge
|align=center | [[image:marshbadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | {{tt|Rock Smash|Generation III}}
|align=center | 70
|align=center | None
|align=center | Sabrina
|-
|align=center | Volcano Badge
|align=center | [[image:volcanobadge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Cinnabar City
|align=center | {{tt|Waterfall|Generation III}}
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Special
|align=center | Blaine
|-
|align=center | Earth Badge
|align=center | [[image:earthbadge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | None
|align=center | 100
|align=center | None
|align=center | {{tt|Giovanni|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Blue|Generation II}} {{tt|Jessie, James and Meowth|Anime Only}} {{tt|Agatha|Anime Only}}
|}
|}

[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 04:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:While I commend your efforts, condensing an entire article into a table is not the best way to reorganize a page. I'll look into this.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Quite good but only if we can put in the sprites of Gymleaders instead of just names. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I shall try making one with -moz-border-radius.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::: See [[User:Force Fire/Sandbox|mine.]]--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Hey! I've got an inquiry. I've got all the sprites of all the current known badges, and to make my collection complete, I was wondering if some of Bulbapedia's top sprites could try their hand at spriting all the unknown badges on this page? Possible? [[User:QTR|QTR]] 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Raised stat==
For the Kanto badges, what does it mean "raised stat"? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 11:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:A specific [[stat]] of each and every Pokémon you own is raised by a certain degree upon obtaining the relevant badge. And new comments to bottom please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Plate

2009-06-24T05:59:37Z

Dual: /* Regigigas? */

Talk:Chimchar (Pokémon)

2009-06-18T05:21:59Z

Dual: /* Name Origin */ new section

== Attacks - Unconfirmed and Likely to be fake ==

The Attacks of new Pokémon were reported on the Blue SkY Blog, right.
It first reported the names of new starters (it was real information). But it recently became infamous of posting FAKE informations. One of them first leader's name, Zack. He was revealed to be named Hyouta few days. And second is three fake Pokémon Names (Marsula, Garinan, Samusamu). There is no sign about these Pokémon and one of the infamous Fake Pokémon was named "Samu" (only two final characters of the name can be seen). So, the most recent informations on this blog are likely to be fake. And they're still unconfirmed. So, they should be removed from Bulbapedia until official announce of the attacks (It will prove if they're real or fake).

Sorry for bad grammar (I am not native english speaker) - Maxim

http://www.eb-store.com/NASApp/mall/front/HTML/DS0611-k/index.htm#

Here's the source. Click "Flash" to see a preview of what I recall to be Famatsu, previewing the start of Diamond/Pearl. This includes listing of the starters and their attacks. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 16:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. If it's in Famitsu it's real but the informations from the Blog (about Munchlax's, Wevile's and Mime Jr.'s names are obviously unconfirmed and likely to be fake because this blog is no longer a reliable source) - Maxim

== Platinum art ==

Am I the only one who liked the Diamond/Pearl art better? The outline wasn't as thick, for one thing. Anyone mind me switching it back? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
:Choosing images doesn't work that way - it only leads to edit wars. The only problem I have with the Platinum image is that it cuts off part of Chimchar's hand ''and'' includes Turtwig's leaf. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
:: I found Chimchars fingers; they're on the Turtwig page. Dear God, those images are bad. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::: It really only needs a little more care in cutting between Chimchar and Turtwig. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Can fix. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Platinum Pokédex Entries ==

Where did you get Chimchar's Platinum entry if the game hasn't been released? Is there any page in the internet or something where you can check that? I would like to know!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 21:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Japan. Translation. NEXT!--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course there are common translations but I meant, how can you be sure that's the entry Chimchar is going to have? You know, in other Pokémon there are this things saying that the entry is not the official since the game '''hasn't been released yet''', then why doesn't this Pokémon (like some others, too) have that thing, I'm sorry I don't really know the name of that, I hope you understand.
Ok, here what I'm trying to point out is that the entry looks like if it where the official one, it doesn't show that thing (something like this {{tt|JP}}) and I think somebody should write it, I would but don't know if should really, or how, for that matter (I also know I should read the manual of style, I will but not now). So please, somebody help here!!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 06:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, either someone forgot to put it... orrrrr... just took it from {{TCG ID|Platinum|Chimchar|70}}. The Japanese dex entry is identical to that on the card in Platinum, so the English one will be. Also, it's spelled '''Pokédex'''. No capital D thanks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Uuuh I'm sorry for not writing correctly that! I hope I won't die because of it... Ok, thanks for your answer anyway. --[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 03:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

Admittedly, I only have a very cursory knowledge of the Japanese language at best, but I'm pretty sure that "zaru" is simply the way that the character 猿 is read when it's used in the middle of a word. That kind of thing happens a lot in Japanese. (For instance, the character 神 is read as "kami" on it's own, but when used as part of a word, it's read as "gami." For example, in the word Shinigami.) --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2008-03-05T22:26:15Z

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Talk:List of cross-generational references

2008-03-01T22:15:37Z

Dual: /* References and Similarities */

Talk:List of cross-generational references

2008-03-01T17:54:10Z

Dual: New page: == References and Similarities == It seems that there are quite a few things in this article that aren't really references, but rather simple similarities. For example: *Much like the Vir...

Talk:List of cross-canon references

2008-03-01T05:20:53Z

Dual: /* Electric Tale of Pikachu */

=Temple of the Sea=
Where does Meowth state that diamond and pearl would be great names for games? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]] Theryguy512 [[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

== Electric Tale of Pikachu ==
"'''To Games:''' This series is derived from the anime, which is in turn based off the world and events of the main game series."
If no one has any objections, I'm gonna go ahead and remove this part. The article should be limited to direct references, not round-about ones. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC) (Sorry, forgot to sign)
:No, no. Leave it be. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 01:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Why? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 01:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree in removing it. A reference to a reference? Come on.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I already went ahead with removing it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of cross-canon references

2008-03-01T01:46:56Z

Dual: /* Electric Tale of Pikachu */

List of cross-canon references

2008-02-29T23:00:54Z

Dual: /* To games */

The [[Pokémon]] series is noted for having multiple, distinctly different [[canon]]s. They often will make references to one another.

=List of references=
==Game references==
====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*[[Pokémon Yellow]] is a direct tribute to the anime.
*The {{an|Jigglypuff|Jigglypuff with a marker}} appears in [[Pokémon Snap]].
*[[Pokémon Channel]] uses the anime voices of Pokémon, including [[Maddie Blaustein]]'s {{MTR}}. It also features an episode exclusive to the game: ''[[Pichu Bros. in Party Panic]]''
*In the Japanese versions of {{pkmn|Diamond and Pearl}}, one of the default names for {{ga|Pearl}} is [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]]. In the English versions, one of the default names for {{ga|Lucas}} is {{Ash}}.
*[[Riley]] appears to be based off [[Sir Aaron]], a character that appeared in ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''. Riley has a {{p|Lucario}}, a Pokémon Aaron {{an|Lucario|also had}}.
*The mysterious [[GS Ball]], a [[key item]] in [[Pokémon Crystal]], was introduced during the [[Orange Islands]] season.
*The [[Generation II]] games said that [[Cinnabar Island]] was evacuated because the eruption of a volcano. While the games do not show any volcano, the anime clearly shows {{Ash}} fighting against [[Blaine]] on the top of a volcano.
*In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]], an NPC named Luis will sometimes participate in [[Pokémon Super Contest]] with his {{p|Pikachu}}, nicknamed [[Sparky]], much like [[Ritchie]]'s is.
*The most important of the Super Contest judges is named Dexter, much like {{Ash}}'s [[Pokédex]] was during the anime's early seasons.
*In {{Eng|Pokémon Stadium}} Brock's team includes a {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, and Misty's team in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] includes a {{TP|Misty|Togetic}}.
*The [[Super Smash Bros.]] series has various references.
**All Pokémon are depicted with their anime voices, though the English language release of Melee keeps Mewtwo's Japanese voice.
**The [[Misty]] trophy depicts her in her [[original series]] clothes.
**The {{p|Meowth}} trophy depicts [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket's Meowth]] with the guitar from [[Meowth's Party]]
**The [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium]] stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee has four different terrain effects, corresponding to four different [[elemental types]]: {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Water}}, {{t|Grass}}, and {{t|Rock}}, while the one in Brawl has a new set of four different terrain effects: {{t|Ice}}, {{t|Ground}}, {{t|Flying}}, and {{t|Electric}}. These reference the four fields of the [[Indigo League Conference]].
**In Melee's 44th Event Match, ''Mewtwo Strikes!'', {{p|Mewtwo}} uses Princess Zelda to beat the player, in the ''Battlefield'', a stage that has a star background. Both the name, that Mewtwo uses Zelda and the stage setting is clearly based of ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''
**In Brawl's 25th event Match, "The [[Aura]] Is With Me", the player battles as {{p|Lucario}} against Ness and Sheik on the prehistoric stage [[Spear Pillar|Mt. Coronet Spear Pillar]]. This is a clear reference to ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', where {{an|Lucario}} was a ancient Pokémon that had sleept in hundreds of years, and [[Ash Ketchum]] himself even said "The aura is with me!" when in the [[Tree of Beginning]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*Several Gym Leaders in [[Pokémon Stadium]] and the [[Generation II]] games have Pokémon used by their [[Pokémon Special]] counterparts, they are Brock's Kabuto/Kabutops, Lt. Surge's Electabuzz, Erika's Skiploom/Jumpluff, and Sabrina's Drowzee/Hypno.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Pokémon Card GB]] and [[Pokémon Card GB 2]] are directly based off the TCG.
*The [[Shadow Pokémon]] (known as Dark Pokémon in Japanese) are similar to the [[Dark Pokémon (TCG)|Dark Pokémon]] from the TCG, including the fact that most Shadow Pokémon are evolved forms.
*The beta versions of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'s [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium stage]] originally featured the {{TCG|Fire}}, {{TCG|Grass}} and {{TCG|Water}} {{TCG|Elemental types|Energy symbols}}. The reason for their removal was likely because there are also {{t|Normal}} and {{t|Rock}} variations, and no Energy symbol that represents the Rock-type.


==Anime references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All anime canon is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Ritchie]] and [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]'s original clothes are almost identical to the original clothes of {{ga|Red}}, while [[Gary Oak]]'s original outfit is taken directly from {{ga|Blue}}'s; the [[Generation I]] one during the [[Kanto]], [[Johto]] and [[Orange Islands]] seasons, as well as the [[Generation III]] clothes during the [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier]] and [[Sinnoh]] seasons.
*The beginning of ''[[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]'' was taken directly from the intro of {{g|Red and Blue}}.
*[[Todd Snap]], the protagonist in [[Pokémon Snap]], has accompanied {{Ash}} for two short periods of time.
*The special ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]'' is based directly off [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]. {{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Another episode}} was produced for the game's [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|sequel]].
*''[[AG155|Green Guardian]]'', ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]'' and ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'' are based on [[Pokémon Ranger]], with [[Solana]] playing a large role in the two episodes and making a cameo in the movie. All three are based on Ranger Net missions.
*Several similarities between [[Paul]] and {{ga|Silver}} have been noted, such as Paul's artwork position being almost identical to [[:Image:SugimoriSilverSketch.jpg|the original sketch of Silver]].
*In ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'',{{MTR}} states that [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|diamond and pearl would be great names for games]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*The episode ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action]]'' shows a clip of a movie based off the [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] manga.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[James]], known for his collecting habits, identifies [[Pokémon]] using cards instead of a [[Pokédex]].
*[[Lawrence III]] has an Ancient {{p|Mew}} card.
*The [[Elemental types (TCG)|Energy symbols]] were featured on a poster for the [[Indigo League]] in ''[[EP005|Showdown in Pewter City]]'' and are used to demonstrate the various terrain effects during the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]]. They also make appearances in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' and ''[[H004|Showdown at the Oak Corral]]''.


==Manga references==
===[[Pokémon Special]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Pokémon Pinball]] appears in the [[Goldenrod Game Corner]].
*[[Surf (move)|Surfing]] and [[Fly (move)|Flying]] {{p|Pikachu}} appear, both of which are derived from [[Pokémon Yellow]].

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Sabrina]]'s {{p|Kadabra}} disguises itself as [[Professor Oak]] and looks like [[Impostor Professor Oak (Base Set)|Impostor Professor Oak]].
*The Pokémon Trading Card Game appears in the Goldenrod Game Corner.



===[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] references===
====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*This series is derived directly from the anime.




===[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.





===[[Mezase!! Card Master]] references===
====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*The main goal for the manga's main character [[Kenta Minamii]] is to become a great TCG player.




==[[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*Many locations and characters from the games appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.

====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*Several anime characters, such as [[Jessie]] and [[James]], appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.



==[[Pokémon Trading Figure Game|TFG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All [[trainer figure]]s are based directly off game characters.



====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*This game uses the same rarities as the TCG, with the exception of '''extra rare''' figures.
*This game has [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s like those in the TCG, though their incorporation and usage is different.

=Related articles=
*[[List of cross-generational references]]
*[[List of references to Pulseman]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of cross-canon references

2008-02-29T22:59:40Z

Dual: /* Electric Tale of Pikachu references */

The [[Pokémon]] series is noted for having multiple, distinctly different [[canon]]s. They often will make references to one another.

=List of references=
==Game references==
====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*[[Pokémon Yellow]] is a direct tribute to the anime.
*The {{an|Jigglypuff|Jigglypuff with a marker}} appears in [[Pokémon Snap]].
*[[Pokémon Channel]] uses the anime voices of Pokémon, including [[Maddie Blaustein]]'s {{MTR}}. It also features an episode exclusive to the game: ''[[Pichu Bros. in Party Panic]]''
*In the Japanese versions of {{pkmn|Diamond and Pearl}}, one of the default names for {{ga|Pearl}} is [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]]. In the English versions, one of the default names for {{ga|Lucas}} is {{Ash}}.
*[[Riley]] appears to be based off [[Sir Aaron]], a character that appeared in ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''. Riley has a {{p|Lucario}}, a Pokémon Aaron {{an|Lucario|also had}}.
*The mysterious [[GS Ball]], a [[key item]] in [[Pokémon Crystal]], was introduced during the [[Orange Islands]] season.
*The [[Generation II]] games said that [[Cinnabar Island]] was evacuated because the eruption of a volcano. While the games do not show any volcano, the anime clearly shows {{Ash}} fighting against [[Blaine]] on the top of a volcano.
*In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]], an NPC named Luis will sometimes participate in [[Pokémon Super Contest]] with his {{p|Pikachu}}, nicknamed [[Sparky]], much like [[Ritchie]]'s is.
*The most important of the Super Contest judges is named Dexter, much like {{Ash}}'s [[Pokédex]] was during the anime's early seasons.
*In {{Eng|Pokémon Stadium}} Brock's team includes a {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, and Misty's team in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] includes a {{TP|Misty|Togetic}}.
*The [[Super Smash Bros.]] series has various references.
**All Pokémon are depicted with their anime voices, though the English language release of Melee keeps Mewtwo's Japanese voice.
**The [[Misty]] trophy depicts her in her [[original series]] clothes.
**The {{p|Meowth}} trophy depicts [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket's Meowth]] with the guitar from [[Meowth's Party]]
**The [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium]] stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee has four different terrain effects, corresponding to four different [[elemental types]]: {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Water}}, {{t|Grass}}, and {{t|Rock}}, while the one in Brawl has a new set of four different terrain effects: {{t|Ice}}, {{t|Ground}}, {{t|Flying}}, and {{t|Electric}}. These reference the four fields of the [[Indigo League Conference]].
**In Melee's 44th Event Match, ''Mewtwo Strikes!'', {{p|Mewtwo}} uses Princess Zelda to beat the player, in the ''Battlefield'', a stage that has a star background. Both the name, that Mewtwo uses Zelda and the stage setting is clearly based of ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''
**In Brawl's 25th event Match, "The [[Aura]] Is With Me", the player battles as {{p|Lucario}} against Ness and Sheik on the prehistoric stage [[Spear Pillar|Mt. Coronet Spear Pillar]]. This is a clear reference to ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', where {{an|Lucario}} was a ancient Pokémon that had sleept in hundreds of years, and [[Ash Ketchum]] himself even said "The aura is with me!" when in the [[Tree of Beginning]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*Several Gym Leaders in [[Pokémon Stadium]] and the [[Generation II]] games have Pokémon used by their [[Pokémon Special]] counterparts, they are Brock's Kabuto/Kabutops, Lt. Surge's Electabuzz, Erika's Skiploom/Jumpluff, and Sabrina's Drowzee/Hypno.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Pokémon Card GB]] and [[Pokémon Card GB 2]] are directly based off the TCG.
*The [[Shadow Pokémon]] (known as Dark Pokémon in Japanese) are similar to the [[Dark Pokémon (TCG)|Dark Pokémon]] from the TCG, including the fact that most Shadow Pokémon are evolved forms.
*The beta versions of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'s [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium stage]] originally featured the {{TCG|Fire}}, {{TCG|Grass}} and {{TCG|Water}} {{TCG|Elemental types|Energy symbols}}. The reason for their removal was likely because there are also {{t|Normal}} and {{t|Rock}} variations, and no Energy symbol that represents the Rock-type.


==Anime references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All anime canon is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Ritchie]] and [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]'s original clothes are almost identical to the original clothes of {{ga|Red}}, while [[Gary Oak]]'s original outfit is taken directly from {{ga|Blue}}'s; the [[Generation I]] one during the [[Kanto]], [[Johto]] and [[Orange Islands]] seasons, as well as the [[Generation III]] clothes during the [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier]] and [[Sinnoh]] seasons.
*The beginning of ''[[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]'' was taken directly from the intro of {{g|Red and Blue}}.
*[[Todd Snap]], the protagonist in [[Pokémon Snap]], has accompanied {{Ash}} for two short periods of time.
*The special ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]'' is based directly off [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]. {{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Another episode}} was produced for the game's [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|sequel]].
*''[[AG155|Green Guardian]]'', ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]'' and ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'' are based on [[Pokémon Ranger]], with [[Solana]] playing a large role in the two episodes and making a cameo in the movie. All three are based on Ranger Net missions.
*Several similarities between [[Paul]] and {{ga|Silver}} have been noted, and not only because Paul's artwork position is almost identical to [[:Image:SugimoriSilverSketch.jpg|the original sketch of Silver]].
*In ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'',{{MTR}} states that [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|diamond and pearl would be great names for games]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*The episode ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action]]'' shows a clip of a movie based off the [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] manga.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[James]], known for his collecting habits, identifies [[Pokémon]] using cards instead of a [[Pokédex]].
*[[Lawrence III]] has an Ancient {{p|Mew}} card.
*The [[Elemental types (TCG)|Energy symbols]] were featured on a poster for the [[Indigo League]] in ''[[EP005|Showdown in Pewter City]]'' and are used to demonstrate the various terrain effects during the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]]. They also make appearances in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' and ''[[H004|Showdown at the Oak Corral]]''.


==Manga references==
===[[Pokémon Special]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Pokémon Pinball]] appears in the [[Goldenrod Game Corner]].
*[[Surf (move)|Surfing]] and [[Fly (move)|Flying]] {{p|Pikachu}} appear, both of which are derived from [[Pokémon Yellow]].

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Sabrina]]'s {{p|Kadabra}} disguises itself as [[Professor Oak]] and looks like [[Impostor Professor Oak (Base Set)|Impostor Professor Oak]].
*The Pokémon Trading Card Game appears in the Goldenrod Game Corner.



===[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] references===
====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*This series is derived directly from the anime.




===[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.





===[[Mezase!! Card Master]] references===
====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*The main goal for the manga's main character [[Kenta Minamii]] is to become a great TCG player.




==[[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*Many locations and characters from the games appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.

====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*Several anime characters, such as [[Jessie]] and [[James]], appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.



==[[Pokémon Trading Figure Game|TFG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All [[trainer figure]]s are based directly off game characters.



====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*This game uses the same rarities as the TCG, with the exception of '''extra rare''' figures.
*This game has [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s like those in the TCG, though their incorporation and usage is different.

=Related articles=
*[[List of cross-generational references]]
*[[List of references to Pulseman]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of cross-canon references

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Dual: /* Electric Tale of Pikachu references */

The [[Pokémon]] series is noted for having multiple, distinctly different [[canon]]s. They often will make references to one another.

=List of references=
==Game references==
====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*[[Pokémon Yellow]] is a direct tribute to the anime.
*The {{an|Jigglypuff|Jigglypuff with a marker}} appears in [[Pokémon Snap]].
*[[Pokémon Channel]] uses the anime voices of Pokémon, including [[Maddie Blaustein]]'s {{MTR}}. It also features an episode exclusive to the game: ''[[Pichu Bros. in Party Panic]]''
*In the Japanese versions of {{pkmn|Diamond and Pearl}}, one of the default names for {{ga|Pearl}} is [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]]. In the English versions, one of the default names for {{ga|Lucas}} is {{Ash}}.
*[[Riley]] appears to be based off [[Sir Aaron]], a character that appeared in ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''. Riley has a {{p|Lucario}}, a Pokémon Aaron {{an|Lucario|also had}}.
*The mysterious [[GS Ball]], a [[key item]] in [[Pokémon Crystal]], was introduced during the [[Orange Islands]] season.
*The [[Generation II]] games said that [[Cinnabar Island]] was evacuated because the eruption of a volcano. While the games do not show any volcano, the anime clearly shows {{Ash}} fighting against [[Blaine]] on the top of a volcano.
*In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]], an NPC named Luis will sometimes participate in [[Pokémon Super Contest]] with his {{p|Pikachu}}, nicknamed [[Sparky]], much like [[Ritchie]]'s is.
*The most important of the Super Contest judges is named Dexter, much like {{Ash}}'s [[Pokédex]] was during the anime's early seasons.
*In {{Eng|Pokémon Stadium}} Brock's team includes a {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, and Misty's team in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] includes a {{TP|Misty|Togetic}}.
*The [[Super Smash Bros.]] series has various references.
**All Pokémon are depicted with their anime voices, though the English language release of Melee keeps Mewtwo's Japanese voice.
**The [[Misty]] trophy depicts her in her [[original series]] clothes.
**The {{p|Meowth}} trophy depicts [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket's Meowth]] with the guitar from [[Meowth's Party]]
**The [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium]] stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee has four different terrain effects, corresponding to four different [[elemental types]]: {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Water}}, {{t|Grass}}, and {{t|Rock}}, while the one in Brawl has a new set of four different terrain effects: {{t|Ice}}, {{t|Ground}}, {{t|Flying}}, and {{t|Electric}}. These reference the four fields of the [[Indigo League Conference]].
**In Melee's 44th Event Match, ''Mewtwo Strikes!'', {{p|Mewtwo}} uses Princess Zelda to beat the player, in the ''Battlefield'', a stage that has a star background. Both the name, that Mewtwo uses Zelda and the stage setting is clearly based of ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''
**In Brawl's 25th event Match, "The [[Aura]] Is With Me", the player battles as {{p|Lucario}} against Ness and Sheik on the prehistoric stage [[Spear Pillar|Mt. Coronet Spear Pillar]]. This is a clear reference to ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', where {{an|Lucario}} was a ancient Pokémon that had sleept in hundreds of years, and [[Ash Ketchum]] himself even said "The aura is with me!" when in the [[Tree of Beginning]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*Several Gym Leaders in [[Pokémon Stadium]] and the [[Generation II]] games have Pokémon used by their [[Pokémon Special]] counterparts, they are Brock's Kabuto/Kabutops, Lt. Surge's Electabuzz, Erika's Skiploom/Jumpluff, and Sabrina's Drowzee/Hypno.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Pokémon Card GB]] and [[Pokémon Card GB 2]] are directly based off the TCG.
*The [[Shadow Pokémon]] (known as Dark Pokémon in Japanese) are similar to the [[Dark Pokémon (TCG)|Dark Pokémon]] from the TCG, including the fact that most Shadow Pokémon are evolved forms.
*The beta versions of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'s [[Pokémon Stadiums (Smash Bros. stages)|Pokémon Stadium stage]] originally featured the {{TCG|Fire}}, {{TCG|Grass}} and {{TCG|Water}} {{TCG|Elemental types|Energy symbols}}. The reason for their removal was likely because there are also {{t|Normal}} and {{t|Rock}} variations, and no Energy symbol that represents the Rock-type.


==Anime references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All anime canon is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Ritchie]] and [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]'s original clothes are almost identical to the original clothes of {{ga|Red}}, while [[Gary Oak]]'s original outfit is taken directly from {{ga|Blue}}'s; the [[Generation I]] one during the [[Kanto]], [[Johto]] and [[Orange Islands]] seasons, as well as the [[Generation III]] clothes during the [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier]] and [[Sinnoh]] seasons.
*The beginning of ''[[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]'' was taken directly from the intro of {{g|Red and Blue}}.
*[[Todd Snap]], the protagonist in [[Pokémon Snap]], has accompanied {{Ash}} for two short periods of time.
*The special ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]'' is based directly off [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]. {{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Another episode}} was produced for the game's [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|sequel]].
*''[[AG155|Green Guardian]]'', ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]'' and ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'' are based on [[Pokémon Ranger]], with [[Solana]] playing a large role in the two episodes and making a cameo in the movie. All three are based on Ranger Net missions.
*Several similarities between [[Paul]] and {{ga|Silver}} have been noted, and not only because Paul's artwork position is almost identical to [[:Image:SugimoriSilverSketch.jpg|the original sketch of Silver]].
*In ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'',{{MTR}} states that [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|diamond and pearl would be great names for games]].

====To [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*The episode ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action]]'' shows a clip of a movie based off the [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] manga.

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[James]], known for his collecting habits, identifies [[Pokémon]] using cards instead of a [[Pokédex]].
*[[Lawrence III]] has an Ancient {{p|Mew}} card.
*The [[Elemental types (TCG)|Energy symbols]] were featured on a poster for the [[Indigo League]] in ''[[EP005|Showdown in Pewter City]]'' and are used to demonstrate the various terrain effects during the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]]. They also make appearances in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' and ''[[H004|Showdown at the Oak Corral]]''.


==Manga references==
===[[Pokémon Special]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.
*[[Pokémon Pinball]] appears in the [[Goldenrod Game Corner]].
*[[Surf (move)|Surfing]] and [[Fly (move)|Flying]] {{p|Pikachu}} appear, both of which are derived from [[Pokémon Yellow]].

====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*[[Sabrina]]'s {{p|Kadabra}} disguises itself as [[Professor Oak]] and looks like [[Impostor Professor Oak (Base Set)|Impostor Professor Oak]].
*The Pokémon Trading Card Game appears in the Goldenrod Game Corner.



===[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====-->




===[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪]] references===





====To other [[Pokémon manga|manga]]====
*[[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]] is written by the same author and set in the same world.

===[[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] references===
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*This series is based off the world and events of the main game series.





===[[Mezase!! Card Master]] references===
====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*The main goal for the manga's main character [[Kenta Minamii]] is to become a great TCG player.




==[[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*Many locations and characters from the games appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.

====To [[Pokémon anime|anime]]====
*Several anime characters, such as [[Jessie]] and [[James]], appear on different cards, particularly [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s.



==[[Pokémon Trading Figure Game|TFG]] references==
====To [[Pokémon games|games]]====
*All [[trainer figure]]s are based directly off game characters.



====To [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]====
*This game uses the same rarities as the TCG, with the exception of '''extra rare''' figures.
*This game has [[trainer card (TCG)|trainer card]]s like those in the TCG, though their incorporation and usage is different.

=Related articles=
*[[List of cross-generational references]]
*[[List of references to Pulseman]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Lists]]